Florida Triple-Murder Suspect Is Arrested. What He’s Accused of Has Left a Church Absolutely Devastated.

Dave Urbanski, The Blaze, December 7, 2014

Authorities said they’ve arrested a Florida man suspected of killing his wife and another woman and then going to the church where his wife worked as the children’s director and fatally shooting the church’s pastor.

Andres “Andy” Avalos, 33, was arrested Saturday afternoon, the Manatee County Sheriff’s Office said. {snip}

Andres Avalos

Andres Avalos

The Bradenton Herald initially reported the arrest, noting that authorities suspect Avalos in Thursday’s killings of his wife, Amber Avalos; the pastor of Bayshore Baptist Church, James “Tripp” Battle, and a neighbor, Denise Potter.

Battle was fatally shot in the courtyard of his Bradenton church, the Tampa Bay Times reported. Potter and Amber Avalos were fatally shot earlier at the Avalos home, the paper added.

Battle’s father told the Times that Andres Avalos arrived at the church Thursday, spoke to Battle’s wife, Joy, the church secretary, and then got to Pastor Battle.

“Joy saw it, she witnessed it, and he pumped a number of rounds into Tripp,” Jimmy Battle told the Times.

More from the Times:

Amber Avalos, 33, had worked at the church for about nine months or a year, according to Battle. He said she had six kids and Tripp, 31, had tried to counsel her and her husband, who seemed paranoid. Battle said Andres Avalos ‘started getting these wild notions about every man that walked by’ his wife.

{snip}

“We want the world to know what a wonderful man our son was,” Rhonda Battle told the Herald. “He loved this community. He wanted a church of diversity. He wanted people to love the Lord. If you didn’t want to know what the Bible said, you didn’t want to go to his church.”

The Battle Family

The Battle Family

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  • IstvanIN

    Diversity sure served his wife and kids real kids.

    • connorhus

      It ain’t pronounced DIE-versity for nuttin I guess.

      • Brian Cox

        Love it, very well stated. I will be using this in the future.

    • IBWHITE

      Hopefully the pastor’s children will learn a valuable lesson in race realism as a result of this tragedy.

      • withcaution

        Maybe that whole ‘god thing’ as well but I doubt it. The missionaries in Africa that of been beaten and robbed or raped and had family members murdered are always in such a big rush to head back there. Stupid can’t be cured?

        • Brian Cox

          Centuries of effort, 100’s of billions of dollars, have proven you can’t fight DNA. It doesn’t matter how mixed you are. It seems to be a fact that good DNA always gets trump by bad DNA. Evil is always easier then good.

  • pcmustgo

    There was a similar story about an old retired white guy who felt sorry for this Mexican homeless couple and let them stay at his home. They wound up killing him… taking all his stuff. It was on Daily Kenn.

    • Alexandra1973

      First thought that comes to my mind is that they were homeless for a reason.

    • Ragnarök

      I don’t feel sorry for stone-age savages.

  • Alexandra1973

    There’s nothing wrong with sharing the Gospel and seeing people of other races saved (which is why we have missionaries). But please, please, PLEASE be aware of the racial and cultural differences!

    • Anna Tree

      Yes, but let’s do the saving there.
      Let’s not bring them here.

      • rebelcelt

        The Bible exhorts us to go….make Disciples. Not, bring and make Disciples. If you go, then you influence their culture for the good. If you bring,then they influence your culture for the bad. When God brought Israel into the promise land, there were very strict rules about making immigrants into citizens. As a matter of fact it took ten generations before a newcomers’ offspring would be a full citizen.

        • Anna Tree

          I like your “The Bible exhorts us to go….make Disciples. Not, bring and make Disciples. If you go, then you influence their culture for the good. If you bring,then they influence your culture for the bad.”

          Especially the first two sentences, great and clear short argument.
          If you don’t mind, I will reuse them in posts.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      I used to think so, too. But then it became obvious that third world savages have not the intellectual capacity to grasp and accept the principal tenets of Christianity without grafting on local superstitions and magic. You really think those “people” can be “saved?”

      Of course, local churches who support missionary efforts to the lands of the mentally un-evolved get a lot more “bang for their bucks” in terms of numbers of “converts” than they would in lands where the average IQ rises above 2 digits.

      I believe Christ wants us to “bloom where we’re planted.” I share my faith with the Russians, Germans, with whom I associate with day-by-day. I contribute to the support of needy families in Moldova. I pay my offerings to a local German church where I know there are no shenanigans going on. I support Russian Orthodox priests and efforts to help those who are being targeted by the NWO Soros-types. (You know, George, right? The Anti-Christ?)

    • me

      Your first mistake was thinking that all people can be ‘saved’, no matter what. Leave what belongs to Satan alone, unless you want to reap the whirlwind. Your second mistake was endorsing your worldly ambitions of ‘saving’ people as a noble thing, rather than a form of false pride. Saving is something which only Jeshua can do, and not through your misplaced altruism. Your third mistake was thinking that Christianity can compensate for genetics, and that all souls are the same. Your fourth mistake was questioning the will of the Creator, and why He separated the races onto different land masses. Your fifth mistake is assuming that these people want to be ‘saved’. Your sixth mistake was thinking that you’re going to get different results with more missionary work, when it hasn’t worked very well for the past two thousand years or so. Your seventh mistake was thinking that all Christians think like you do. Your eighth mistake was thinking that there should be more time, energy, and resources to ‘help’ the ungrateful breed more, which will only bring about White genocide. Your ninth mistake was thinking that being a Christian gives you the right to bring your so-called ‘missionary work’ here, importing your freeloading, hostile Third Worlders into my back yard. Your tenth mistake is in thinking that Christian busybodies should help every other race rather their own kinfolk, which is just casting pearls before swine.

      • Huggiebear

        I quite agree with your summation. By pointing out the folly of white “Christian” “soul-saving” the Great Commission of Jeshua has been hijacked. Moreover, the actions of those who believe THEY are appointed to the saving makes their efforts void of anything but self-congratulations. No, it won’t do. It is the grace of God based on Jeshua’s sacrifice and the work of the Holy Spirit that creates the thirst in man for God. I also disagree with those who believe “that all people can be ” ‘saved’ ” no matter what. It is clear that desires all to be ‘saved’ but it is equally clear that God doesn’t always WILL it so. And that is a mystery as old as man.

        • Anglo

          The doctrine of Predestination was once at the center of Christianity. Romans 8:29-30

    • Lion’s Mane

      Nowadays, the command: Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” has been reversed. It’s become: “Bring every creature in the world unto thy shores and make Christians of them.” Not quite Biblical, I think.

  • IstvanIN

    Twenty-seven-year-old Keith Coleman of Garland appeared at Penobscot Judicial Center in Bangor on Monday. He faces three counts of murder in the deaths of 36-year-old Christina Sargent, her 10-year-old son, Duwayne Coke, and her 8-year-old daughter,
    Destiny Sargent.

    Black male kills White mother and her two White children in Maine. They seem to be taking us out at a tremendous rate.

    • RationaliseThis

      Basic evolution, if you can’t out compete then out kill or out reproduce. The latter are the niche they evolved into. Seriously, look at Africa. Natural White capability to defeat this through superior organisation and technology has been defeated by a hostile takeover of the normal means to do so; We have a hostile media, hostile jewdiciary and hostile government and hostile elite leadership that isn’t even necessarily White.

    • Sick of it

      We’re not fighting back yet. They will increase their violence until we do.

      • Pathfinder75

        I would emphasize the word “yet”.

        Us Whites have never been more ready than we are right now,I believe,to avenge the many depredations that have been committed against us over the course of these many sad and painful years.

        And it can truly be said that us Whites are much like a simmering volcano, ready to unleash the full force of it’s natural fury.

    • Jeroniomus

      Are you sure that Duwayne and Destiny are not mulattoes?

      • [Guest]

        Below are photos of the murdered children in the case IstvanIN mentioned.

      • IstvanIN

        There pictures were in the original article…beautiful blonds.

    • Sheik Yerbouti

      For the moment the majority of them not only knew their murderer, they had some sort of continuing relationship with them. I can only wonder what the father of these children must be going through to know that his ex-wife made such a profoundly wrongheaded choice.

  • Truthseeker

    That pastor looks like he may have been mixed-race. If so, it’s no wonder he wanted to embrace “diversity.”

    • Alexandra1973

      Mixed with what? Just curious.

      I have a touch of Amerind ancestry and I really don’t care for diversity. I prefer to be around my fellow Whites.

      • Truthseeker

        I don’t know exactly. He just doesn’t look fully White to me. Maybe he has a Black or Hispanic grandparent. Just speculation of course. I think some mixed-race people think of racial diversity as a natural thing, since they grow up with it in their own families.

        • Alexandra1973

          That’s the problem with being mixed-race. You really have no loyalty one way or the other. At least not to Whites. I’m at least 96% White so that’s how I identify.

        • IstvanIN

          He isn’t mixed race, just fat.

          • Anna Tree

            Or maybe some slavic ancestor (Swedish?).

            Anyway, he is white.

            I think she looks quite Norwegian or Swedish too.
            That’s why the kids have their eyes (like Renee Zellweger).

          • IstvanIN

            Fat people frequently have squinty eyes, fat distort the facial features.

          • RationaliseThis

            I have eyes like that and I’m not fat, I go to north eastern Germany and a part of Sweden where the Baltic ancestors came from and and folks look a lot like me. A bit like Renee Zellwegger. I hadn’t expected it but when I visited found it very calming and relaxing to look the same. The White Anglo Saxon types I was schooled with have slightly different skull shapes, longer less cubic, like mine and eye shapes. I love them and would die fighting for and with those Anglo Celtic Saxons but I’m glad I experinced that.

            Gene diffusion will happen what is the problem is the way it is being engineered as a deliberate method of genocide.

    • Anglo

      He does look mixed race.

    • Guest

      He simply looks delusional, that’s all. His mind has been taken over by an ideology which has replaced reason and common sense.

  • [Guest]

    It’s unclear to me why American Renaissance would post this article, unless it’s because the dead man’s mother said of the pastor that he “wanted a church of diversity.” According to the article, Avalos was “paranoid” and “incoherent most all the time.” There doesn’t seem to have been a racial motive, unlike the many current cases of blacks murdering white people for being white.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      Yeah, I’m guessing mental illness was at work here.

      • I’m guessing methamphetamines use, either past or present. That garbage does a real job altering the users’ brain chemistry, and sometimes they stay crazy. Those Greaseritos aren’t also called “Methicans” for nothing.

    • antiquesunlight

      Because this wouldn’t have happened if we didn’t have Mestizos in our country.

    • Padrig

      Maybe to highlight the uselessness of the universalist creed, “love your enemy” and all that rot.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        Love your enemy, but carry concealed. He threatens harm to me or mine, nothing in the Gospel tells me to let him (or it, as the case may be) do it.

        • [Guest]

          I believe that Pastor Tom Vineyard would agree with your assessment.

          _____________

          Oklahoma pastor shoots, kills intruder in attempted burglary”
          22 December 2014

          OKLAHOMA CITY – Police say a metro pastor opened fire on an alleged intruder, killing the man.

          Reverend Tom Vineyard is known as the pastor of Windsor Hills Baptist Church.

          …Several signs are posted around the pastor’s home. One on the front door reads, “Nothing on this property is worth your life.”

          Police say the alleged intruder did not heed the warning….

          • Belinda Boundreau

            Intruder couldn’t read english? Perhaps the pastor will be charged with not providing signage in spanish also?

    • RationaliseThis

      A lot of illegals are also likely to be insane, criminal or criminally insane to which can be added low IQ. “Amnestizing” them invariably dumps Mexicos dangerous dross into the USA without meaningful checks and controls.

    • DiversityIsDeath

      But when a mud kills a caucasian, the press ALWAYS claims he was mentally ill. The racial angle is always denied. Mental illness is the stock response, just as in the rare case that a white man kills a mud, he is labelled a “nazi” (or a neo, or a white supremacist, or some other wildly inaccurate, retarded, left wing, anti-white label. You better believe race is put front and center. )

  • Katherine McChesney

    The Bible say to use discernment. It doesn’t tell us to promote diversity.

    • Alexandra1973

      I’ve heard the argument “we all come from Noah.” While that’s true, there’s a reason God has us in three major races, not just one. We’re separated by language (Tower of Babel), by race (Shem, Ham, Japheth), and by land (in the days of Peleg was the earth divided–super-continent dividing into what we know today).

      • Katherine McChesney

        I also believe in the curse of Ham. Which is apparent in the world today of violence and corruption in the black race.

      • Sick of it

        Three races of whites. God outlawed a certain practice for good reason.

      • me

        No, we don’t all ‘come from Noah’. Just like we all don’t come ‘out of Africa’. There is much that has been forgotten.

    • RationaliseThis

      If accepting or promoting racial and cultural suicide is to become a requirement or doctrine of Christianity, for any race, then count me out. They seem to be quite willing to not only to sacrifice Europeans racially in the service of 3rd world “Christians” but to sacrifice even christianity itself before an onslaught of Muslim immigration. They really are quite delusional.

      • Lion’s Mane

        It certainly has become a part of mainstream Christianity these days.

        • Huggiebear

          “Anti-racist” means anti-white in clear code.

  • antiquesunlight

    This sort of thing breaks my heart. He made a mistake, all of us here know that, but he was just trying to do what he thought was right. Paid a heavy price for it. Really tragic. His children are beautiful, too.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Suicidal Altruism. It doesn’t make me sad. It makes me livid.

      • antiquesunlight

        I know but you can’t dismiss the death of a kind family man because he had an incorrect view of race. We lost another one of our people because people who have no business here are here. You should be angry at the mestizo and our insane rulers, not a white man whose biggest mistake was trying to help people.

  • Luca

    All the shooter has to do now is tell authorities he’s a ‘Dreamer’ and pull out his Obama/Holder Amnesty (Get Out of Jail Free) card.

    • John Smith

      I dream of him and his kind swimming back where they came from.

  • Conrad

    I must wonder if this pastor was one of those that are in favor of the Mexican invasion.

  • Pathfinder75

    “He wanted a church of diversity.”

    Pastor James Battle apparently failed to learn the lesson from the Bible,in Galatians 6:7,which emphatically warns that people will reap what they sow,and his family and congregation reaped a whirlwind of misery because of his self-righteous ignorance and stupidity.

    Pathological altruism is an awful way to die.

    From Hosea 4:6 – “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge,I reject you from being a priest to me.And since you have forgotten the law of your God,I also will forget your children.”

    • Speedy Steve

      Deuteronomy 28 is a handy chapter to memorize, too.

    • Sick of it

      “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

      So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

      Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of
      nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and
      poor, and blind, and naked:

      I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be
      rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame
      of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve,
      that thou mayest see.

      As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

      Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the
      door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

      To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I
      also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

      He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” Revelation 3:15-22

  • dd121

    He just had a dump truck of diversity bricks dumped on him. I’m kind of sorry for the white fool.

    • John Smith

      Diversity is a harsh mistress.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    I don’t care what color they are, never trust anybody stupid enough to tattoo graffiti on their neck.

  • Anglo

    “He wanted a church of diversity. He wanted people to love the Lord.”

    I quote the following from an email sent to me by someone I’ve known a long time:

    “what matters is if God’s Truth is being taught and worshiping with other brothers and sisters in Christ for His Glory. All people no matter their outward appearance…if they have trusted in The Lord, and I am in their family…The Family of God.”

    Evangelical Christians with their universalist, one-race theology, who don’t see the deception of the New Ageism creeping into their churches, which is leading to a religious umbrella of a global spiritual agenda—religious unification. This universalist, one-race theology they preach is not biblical and contrary to what the Bible really teaches. They are full of their own brand of righteousness; you cannot argue with them. They are deceived.

    • Sick of it

      “And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

      And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

      And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them
      thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

      And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may
      reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered
      abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

      And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

      And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them,
      which they have imagined to do.

      Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

      So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

      Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.” Genesis 11:1-9

      God isn’t fond of one world anything…

    • Lion’s Mane

      Why would God create different races and establish different nations, if what he really wanted all along was diversity and mixed marriages? If today’s evangelicals are right, then their ancestors were quite in the wrong! Yet they seem blissfully unaware that they are going against what their churches formerly taught.

      • Anglo

        You are right. They do only listen to their “leaders.” I once sent my friend two points of scripture I wanted her to analyze with me. She didn’t even look at it. She emailed back she only listed to her pastor. It’s sad to lose one’s ability to reason for yourself. God gave us a brain, didn’t he?

      • BlueSonicStreak

        Not subject to the whims of the times?! The only thing that’s ever been consistent about how people practice virtually any faith is that it changes with the whims of the times.

  • RationaliseThis

    The main thing I look for in these events is reassurance that any a Whites killed have already had children. Leaving the politically incorrect correct truth scattered around the Internet may one day help his orphans realise what had happened.

    • [Guest]

      I notice that the murdered man left two children, whereas the murderer has at least six.

      The future holds three times more Avaloses than it does Battles.

      • Sick of it

        One is more likely to slay. The other is more likely to help and be slain out of jealousy. I think we know which is which.

      • RationaliseThis

        Sadly true, and the taxes from the typical 2 child White family “Battles” transfer to support the 6 child family “Avaloses”.

        • SentryattheGate

          And maybe more illegitimate Avaloses?

  • john maverick

    Ask an ye shall recieve

    • me

      I don’t think that this ‘Christian’ knucklehead hadn’t realized that you can’t go against nature, which was made by the Creator and cannot be unmade by man.

  • Belinda Boundreau

    Andres an illegal? Going through the thread I see that some stormfraudsters have shown up.

    • me

      What’s the matter, ‘sweetie’? Is this thread unlike the xenophilic, syphilitic, liberalist dialogue you prefer?

    • John Smith

      You can invite several to share your bedroom so you get the full diversity experience.

  • freddy_hills

    “He wanted a church of diversity.”

    Last year’s Darwin Award went to a drunk high on pills who forced open elevator doors and jumped down the open shaft. I think we may have just found a late winner for this year’s award,

  • Lion’s Mane

    Modern Christianity has become an anti-white ideology. In the modern West, the one ‘sin’ all religions inveigh against is ‘white racism.’ All are agreed, even the secular, that ‘white racism’ is the greatest known evil.

  • MekongDelta69

    More never-ending brown ‘family values.’

  • JustSayin

    I’m probably going to get some blow back from this, but one of the largest instigators of this “multi-cultural” plague on our society have been churches with their feminized belief that “we’re all children of God” justifying their suicidal importation of thousands of turd worlders that have no place in our society. Try to explain to one of these glazed over “Christ Inc.” followers just that much and you’ll get shock and outrage that you wouldn’t love “one of God’s precious children”, even if he’s a 245 lb. 50 year old illiterate with no marketable skills except spreading pine straw.

    • [Guest]

      It’s not at all uncommon for churches today to be temples of Humanism. They’re operated and supported by “Christians” whose beliefs line up nicely with those of Barack Hussein Obama. That’s a sign of the times.

      • JustSayin

        For the SJW types that proclaim themselves to be “Christian”, sure I can readily agree with your statement. But the ones I speak of are of a different variety. They may be adamantly opposed to Obama’s politics, but would see him and all of his scolding semi-retarded “sons” as their “brothers” being “children of GAAAWWD” in a deluded effort to extend an irrational compassion that often leads to serious consequences, such as what we see in this article. They’ve overridden their natural instincts of self preservation for the sake of a cartoonish belief system that blinds them to the real world, and like has been said further down in the comments, if Christianity means being a deluded fool willing to render the White race to extinction, then count me out.

        • [Guest]

          Right, but given the importance of Christianity to white civilization for the last 2,000 years, to take both a pro-white and an anti-Christian position makes little sense.

          It’s no coincidence that the rise of multiculturalism and diversity (which are humanist doctrines) has taken place at the same time as the gradual transformation of churches into temples of humanism occupied and run by people who, like Obama, approve of those doctrines.

          It’s unreasonable to hate Christianity because it calls for white people to destroy themselves if Christianity makes no such call. And it doesn’t.

          • JustSayin

            The difficulty with discussing religions is inevitably criticism is taken for being “anti” when this would be furthest from the case. I merely point out the current popular interpretation of Christianity for its “compassion at all costs” for the “rainbow of God’s children” is very unproductive, and especially for White people. This should not be ignored for some sake of racial loyalty due to the historic importance of traditional Christianity to Western civilization. If you wish to quantify this modern interpretation for being humanist, then we’ll use that definition for the sake of clarity, however if this proves to be the dominant interpretation for the foreseeable future, then it would seriously beg for reformation from within. Either that, or abandonment for the sake of practicality in the continuance of White people’s existence for another 2,000 years.

          • [Guest]

            If the “current popular interpretation” of a thing is a distortion and misrepresentation, that is no strike against the thing itself. To hate Christianity because it calls for white people to destroy themselves is nonsensical given that Christianity makes no such demand.

            The anti-white doctrines of multiculturalism and diversity are more accurately associated with Humanism, therefore an opponent of multiculturalism and diversity would be more likely to oppose Humanism than to oppose Christianity.

            I used Barack Hussein Obama as an example because he identifies himself as a Christian but is actually a Humanist who believes in multiculturalism and diversity. To identify him as anti-white and oppose him on that basis would be reasonable; to identify him as a Christian and oppose him on that basis would not be.

          • JustSayin

            Well, every Christian I’ve encountered, especially recently, are waist deep in this humanism so go figure. They all abhor racial awareness, except when it comes to surrounding themselves with all peoples non-White. The Christianity you wish for is not what it is now. You put words in my mouth when you claim I’ve advocated hatred towards Christianity, but then as I said before, it’s nearly impossible to criticize any religion without its practitioners eventually taking the victim canard out. And Obama isn’t a Christian. Nor is he a humanist. He’s a narcissistic sociopath.

            What doesn’t make sense is how I’m supposed to separate a religion from its philosophy as it is currently practiced within that very religion, and then understand that philosophy to be something separate from the religion in which it’s practiced. It is what it is. There’s no beating around the bush about it. That it’s such a negative and exists within Christianity would want me to expunge it out of Christianity were I you, instead of trying to twist it into two separate entities out of some sense of reverence. That just tells me that you’re trying to ignore what’s wrong within your own house, figuratively speaking.

            “Christianity is great. That stuff about one world you see those people preaching about at the pews and the billions of dollars you see following those do-gooders going to Haiti and Africa to adopt a couple of tribes, well, that’s not Christianity.” ?????

          • [Guest]

            My comments have been general, not directed at you personally.

            It’s unreasonable for anyone to falsely attribute a belief to Christianity and then oppose Christianity for holding that belief. It’s also unreasonable to oppose Christianity because someone who identifies himself as a Christian (Obama being an example) holds a belief that is not derived from Christianity or is incompatible with Christianity.

            >>>And Obama isn’t a Christian. Nor is he a humanist.

            I refer to Obama as a Humanist because his views are compatible with Humanism but not with Christianity.

          • J.T. Thrasher

            “You will know a tree by it’s fruit.” In the case of modern Christianity, “In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile..” The New Testament explicitly condones the removal of an identity. When the Germanic tribes were being converted the missionaries found it very difficult to crack the code of a group of people who did not think about themselves but were tribally focused. Their solution was to concentrate on people in the population centers away from their families and to instill in people a focus on self-salvation, slowly working into the ideas of them breaking curses in their bloodlines and culminating in an acceptance that their relatives who were not saved were not of them and were going to hell. This is well documented and can be read about in the book The Germanization of Medieval Christianity.

          • JustSayin

            I’ll be looking that one up. Thank you.

          • J.T. Thrasher

            No problem. I was a Christian minister/evangelist for 15 years. I do not resent Christians who keep their heads on straight and am not looking to trash them. In the higher theology possessed by the orthodox there is much that is beautiful and true when it comes to ruling your own passions and gaining insight. For me personally I always found a barrier in the dualism that would manifest between the earth and the sky. In seeking something that did not have that as a natural outcome of its theology for most I discovered Norse heathenry. It took awhile for me to discover the more scholastic journals which showed me the deeper thought behind the myths and to finally cement it as my personal religion. I am not a hardcore polytheist by any means, nor do I take the myths literally. I see in the interpretations of the names of the characters and places and how they interact as containing the true meaning, one of initiation and a quest for the spirit. I see many ideas that parallel gnostic thought when it comes to confronting yourself, facing death and even yes, resurrection.

          • JustSayin

            Nor do I resent Christianity given it was the beliefs I was raised with. I find much of what’s written in the bible to be inspiring as a matter of fact. My own spiritual journey has taken me to heathenry as well, even though I’m just in the beginning stages of that path. I really don’t see myself as a hardcore polytheist either but more along the lines of what is considered a panenthiest, but I’m still working out the details of my own religion. I find myself most strongly affiliated with the Norse way also and plan on delving much deeper next year. I’m very new and looking forward to the discoveries that lay ahead of me.

          • J.T. Thrasher

            If you haven’t read it I recommend The Seeds of Yggdrasil by Maria Kvilhaug, an amazing book that uses translations of names and other things to decipher the myths. She can get a little New Agey in some ideas but overall has really had an impact on my understanding of the myths. The introduction can be skipped as the publisher left it badly edited and repetitive, but the rest of the book is phenomenal. Probably one of the best as it solves the issues that writers like Gundarsson and others of that camp cannot. Also check out The Journal of Contemporary Heathen Thought vol. 1+2, Mimir:The Journal of North European Traditions, and Northern Traditions. I think marias is the best, encapsulating much of what is in the others but giving a better form and linear ideology, while the others are great for getting a great overview of heathen thought in general. One other journal, a mix of good and bad as far as baggage brought to the table, is Tyr: Myth Culture and Tradition volumes 1-4.

          • JustSayin

            All of these books you’ve suggested I’ve looked up and book marked for purchasing for this years reading. I am very much in your debt, my friend! Merry Christmas/Happy Yule!

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Why does it make little sense? Christianity is not really a white religion. Do you think we’d be somehow incapable of building societies as pagans? The rabid defence of Christianity by WNs is baffling.

          • [Guest]

            To point out that Christianity does not instruct white people to make themselves extinct hardly qualifies as a “rabid defense.”

          • BlueSonicStreak

            Uh, but suggesting that White Nationalism is incompatible with being anti-Christianity sure is.

          • John Smith

            It had a place at one time, but after they started applying it to minority savages too, it became a liability. I repudiate the idea of “brotherhood” with them.

    • withcaution

      The religious were logical, they wouldn’t be religious.

  • IBWHITE

    I know a fool like this in my home town. He packed his wife and kids up and relocated to some pesthole in Africa on some Christian do-gooder nonsense. But the Ebola virus hit the village he was in and he high tailed it back home. I told him before he left he was going to fool around and get his entire family killed. He avoids contact with me now.

  • withcaution

    I see from the comments section we have lots of christians here. I’m curiouse how one can believe all were created in gods image while simultaneously believing in racial differences? I’m a full blooded evolutionary athiests that believes in; ‘what you see is what it is’, so my views are at least congruent.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      I have this question as well. God loves all of his children equally, but some are more equal than others?

  • gah

    Diversity kills.

  • John Smith

    No wonder progs want to force white people to accept diversity – it’s self-administered genocide through guilt.

  • IBWHITE

    Well then Irving show us the White version of Detroit, East St. Louis etc. Show us a first world Black country where democracy is the rule of the day and crime is low. Show us the Black organizations that save animals and the environment. Point out the Black organizations that build hospitals and orphanages for ALL children, not just minority. Don’t just sit there and spout off “but Whites commit crimes too.” Good grief man are you so caught up in this PC bull$hit you can’t see what’s in front of your very eyes?!

  • Fr. John+

    “If you didn’t want to know what the Bible said, you didn’t want to go to his church.” Really? Really!? That’s why the Law of the Lord was AGAINST miscegenation, against adultery (debasing of an item, whether coin, or genus/species) against fraternizing with the ‘xenos’ and not giving your sons and daughters to join in union with them. Why, even today, in a certain ME country, directives to only marry ‘within one’s group’ are still being obeyed, as if nothing else matters for the continued existence of that sh… little country.

    Should one have said to this poor man while he was alive, ‘Physician, heal thyself?’ Clearly. Now, ‘sorry, too late.’ Like the 1960’s song says, ‘When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?” America for Americans.