Company Fires Employee For Saying Donald Sterling Has A Right To Free Speech

Weasel Zippers, May 2, 2014

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A half-hour later he was fired:

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  • MekongDelta69

    Two words: George Orwell – 1984

    Wait – that’s three words. My ‘White Privilege’ must be affecting my ability to count correctly.

    • Urbane Neanderthal

      Check your privilege that’s two words, a dash, and a number.

    • Johnny Squire

      I am surprised I haven’t read any references to 1984’s “two minutes hate” this week in response to the media’s uproar over Donald Sterling’s comments. The hysteria over Mr. Sterling’s transgressions surely deserves such an analogy.

      • curmudgeon

        Really. I just reread it 50 years after my first reading. Scary then and scarier now>

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    So stating that free speech exists is now a violation of free speech. Proof it no longer exists.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      Exactly my take on it. The guy says Sterling has a right to free speech, and the company spokesman says “we in no way endorse or support those views.”

      Do they have any idea how bad that makes them look??

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        Yes it is the revolving circle of leftist insanity. Very much in line with their favorite, race doesn’t exist and anyone who thinks it does is racist!

        • Lion’s Mane

          Yes, because etymologically, “racism” suggests merely “belief in [the existence of] race.” Theoretically, the word “racist” could simply imply that a person thus labelled believes that racial classifications are valid distinctions for homo sapiens.

          • sulbernick

            I’ll tell you what it’s afraid of – the tipping point. The more left ideology is questioned the fewer it convinces.

          • It’s so painfully obvious the Marxist hate free speech

        • curmudgeon

          Liberalism leaves you scratching your head. It truly is a mental disorder.

      • spec9

        It makes them look like they are able to express their own opinions as well. Do you have a problem with that?

    • Magician

      Maybe the liberals are saying “It was a violation of free speech because his words offended a certain group of people”

      but then again the liberals will always respond with a deafening silence if anyone else offends “whites” or even praise anyone who says anything anti-white.

    • Pyrion

      The constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech only means the government can’t infringe upon it, it says nothing about private entities. They’re well within their rights to fire him for making an official statement as the representative of his (former) employer that they don’t agree with.

      If you don’t believe me on this, I suggest you go get a job, then start shouting racial epithets at the top of your lungs and watch what (hilarity) ensues.

  • Atheist Realist

    always use pseudonyms when posting this stuff

    • c684570

      I do that a lot of the time, but not always. It’s important to send a clear message that you aren’t afraid of saying these things.

    • Lion’s Mane

      I’m glad that you’re on our side. All the popular Atheists these days seem to be totally on the Left.

      • Sasquatch

        I’m a lifelong atheist who was a die hard leftist, Marxist and race denier for most of my life. I remain an atheist, but thankfully none of those other things. I am now as far from being those other things as you can get.

        I happen to think atheism assists in seeing the reality of these matters. None of that “we’re all created by the same god, equal in his eyes” nonsense to get in my way. No temptation to think that god will bail us out and it will all turn out the way it’s supposed to in the end, either.

        To me, inequality is a certainty based on how nature works, and nothing is assured. We face the very real danger of civilization collapsing, with no guarantee of it recovering.

        When it comes to solutions to our problems, I am also blissfully unbound by some of the morality which constrains others.

        • Fr. John+

          Sasquatch- Actually it was the Marxist egalitarian propaganda, that led me to realize that Christianity is a highly ‘excusionary’ religion, when viewed from the Biblical side. It was your atheist compatriots who tried to mesh Marxism with Messiah, that both destroyed the Church from Within, as well as Society from Without.

  • Stephen108260

    I don’t know what these turtle rock creeps make/produce but if I ever see their racist anti-white names I’m not buying.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      I suggest we start a letter writing campaign to turtle rock letting them know we are boycotting all of their products since they are obviously opposed to free speech.

      • Glen

        With so many companies to boycott, if we boycotted them all we’d walk to work naked if we didn’t starve to death first. Something more than boycotting is called for. Unfortunately, “something more” is probably illegal.

        • IstvanIN

          We wouldn’t have to boycott every business, just the most anti-white one in each industry. There are some types of businesses, like fast food, we should avoid all the time, or, like I do patronize a local family owned business.

        • curmudgeon

          LOL! Very insightful. Same with entertainment. Would be a small handful of musicians and actors left.

    • Who Me?

      I was just going to ask what they make or sell so I can make it a point NOT to buy it.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    Mr. Olin didn’t even endorse the substance of what Sterling said; Olin merely supported Sterling’s right to air a contrary opinion in private. We’re now at the point in America where people are not just being fired for holding an unpopular opinion, but are also being fired for suggesting that people should have the right to voice an unpopular opinion. Scary times indeed.

    • Smazeli

      Sterling does have a right to his racist views, but his right to free speech was never violated. The first amendment is not a safeguard from social backlash, nor does it entitle you to a job. The NBA also has a right to fire Sterling, players and fans have a right to boycott.

      • jane johnson

        The NBA does NOT have the right to “fire” Sterling. He is an owner, a stockholder, and as such, he can be bought out, but not fired. He does, however, have the right to fire every player on the team, and at this point, if I were him, that’s exactly what I’d do. Since Kevin Johnson wants an all-black league, and Barkley thinks they already have one, White players should sue for discrimination, and White sports fans should boycott.

        • Collective bargaining agreement. The team just can’t release a player from his contract and that shreds the contract. Sure, they can release him, (maybe, don’t quote me on that), but then the team takes the cap hit on the remainder of the player’s contract for as long as the contract was good for. And they still might have to pay him, on top of that, for whatever money is left on the deal, or at least a part of it, again, don’t quote me. Trades in the NBA are difficult, because trades must be for players in a way where the team isn’t dumping too much salary or taking on too much new salary.

          And also, Sterling at this moment is prohibited from getting involved in his team’s operations, pending the outcome of what I hope will be lots and lots of lawsuits.

          • jane johnson

            I would think that Sterling could just pay out the $$$, (he can afford it), and fold the franchise. Take his ball and go home.

          • Sterling would have to write out a $300 million check to buy out every current Clipper under contract for the remainder of their contracts, varies by player. Sure, he’s worth $1.9 billion, but $0.6 billion of that is the estimated value of the team itself. Not being his accountant, I don’t know what his cash flow situation is like. I do know that a lot of mega wealthy people are only wealthy in terms of nebulous value of illiquid assets.

            Also, why would he just willy nilly fold up that which is about a third of his net worth?

          • jane johnson

            He made his money in real estate, and is said to “never sell anything”.

          • IstvanIN

            Assuming he has set up his children independent of himself and can do the same for his wife, at 80 he could, just for spite, shut the team down and probably live quite well for his remaining years.

          • “Also, why would he just willy nilly fold up that which is about a third of his net worth?”

            To spite the NBA. I’d run it past my accountants and if their numbers were OK, I do it in the proverbial New York second.

      • ncpride

        I’m confused. His property is being seized, and he is being find over 2 million dollars specifically for remarks he made and that’s not violating his right to free speech?

      • Frank_DeScushin

        I’m keenly aware that Olin’s right to free speech was not violated. That’s why I didn’t use that specific legal phrase. While it’s true that the Constitution only protects an individual from the State taking action against them due to the substance of their speech, that amendment is based on the general principle that unpopular opinions should be allowed to be voiced. If the private sphere (employers) exact a hefty enough punishment against individuals that absolutely no unpopular opinions ever get aired some of the purpose of the First Amendment is sacrificed.

        I can understand why the NBA Commissioner banned Sterling. The NBA is a very profitable business. The Commish risked having his entire workforce striking if he did not act according to his workforce’s wishes, and the Commish could say that Sterling’s words are not those we want representing the NBA. Fair enough.

        But is Turtle Rock Studios faced with a comparable dilemma? Or even any dilemma? Did Turtle Rock Studios risk an employee boycott or the loss of considerable business due to Olin’s tempered comments? Doubtful.

        And were Olin’s words so harsh, so controversial that Turtle Rock or any other employer should reasonably be embarrassed to be associated with those words? Not really.

        While Turtle Rock Studios may have the right to fire Olin for his speech, that does not make firing Olin for his fairly benign speech the right thing to do.

      • Sasquatch

        Ah yes yet another person who (intentionally?) misunderstands what people are saying regarding this free speech issue.

        A person can understand that the first amendment doesn’t insulate people from consequences and that private businesses and individuals can do legal things (like firing someone) to punish them for what they say. We’re not saying that is a violation of the first amendment.

        What we’re saying is that the fact that our society has gotten to this point where moves like that are so common, and people, knowing this, so frequently pursue other peoples’ employers to try to bring about such things… is frightening, disheartening, and problematic.

        When the citizenry is so terrified of the PC police and the Twitter mafia that they feel they MUST fire anyone who even slightly steps out of the boundaries of strict PC speech, then the first amendment may not be directly violated but it begins to be somewhat meaningless. We become a society which, on paper, expresses a value but in reality completely stifles it.

        • M&S

          Corporate Socialism.
          Where the nanny state minding your business is in fact the companies owning the money and the business means to make sufficiently more of it to go on living, let along /believing/ what you do.
          The problem with this is the inherent to the three critical characteristics of money:
          1. That it be universal.
          2. That it be scaleable.
          3. That nothing be free.
          If everything that has value can be bought, everything worth having is linked to that portable medium of exchange and it becomes impossible for anything but money (and the enormously Inuit profiting act of controlling it’s supply through The Fed) to be used in trade.
          If everything that can be bought for a given amount in your nation’s currency can be -traded down or up- by forcing another country to use their own currency value relative to yours to purchase or sell the same commodity, so that whatever you say their currency is worth in your money, automatically becomes what the _same goods or services supplied_ become valued at in theirs through the effects of currency trading, they lose money making the trade and you get commercial goods on the cheap.
          Anything which is beyond price and has real worth is not merely a bastion against but an assault upon the deterministic values of currency control. And that includes the right to suggest alternatives to capitalism itself, as a monumentally exploitative ‘religion’ of the financial predators.
          Indeed, the basis of returning this world to a ‘feudal’ condition of class based society irrespective of race (which is an active discourse in every think tank out there, looking at a 14 billion person world pop clock by 2100) is based upon control psychologies having more to do with shaming as a religious technique than law as a principled one.
          And by -agreeing- with that, the majority of the stupid, which is to say the genetically impoverished being imported like snakes into Western Society, are able to blackmail indirectly and steal outright what is not their’s to own. ‘Based on how you feel about sharing your world with their desperation’.
          Fortunately, this will not last.
          When the Chinese and Iranians open up the Pipelinestan/Silk Route II petrogas delivery system (which conveniently passes near AfG and Pakistan), the ability of the USN to exercise ‘export control by torpedo’ upon world trade in petroleum commodities will collapse with it (this is why the big deal is being made about Iranian nukes when Saudi and Israel already have them and would easily annihilate the Iranians if they tried something).
          And once the USD is no longer the world reserve currency in terms of baselining every other currency exchange value, (based on printed-from-thin-air overeasing which values the dollar _far_ beyond the real normative GDP of the U.S.) money, at least U.S. money will no longer be a useful tool to control others through threats against their business and their survivability.
          It will be very hard for awhile, simply because the U.S. is sitting upon WWII gold reserves from every nation on the planet. But they will _crush_ the our monetary controls out of sheer spite for decades of ‘Marshall Plan’ dominance and then, when the U.S. cannot write a check, anywhere, the tattered ruins of our society will become ethnically divided into groups whom you -want- to help each other out (look like you, believe like you, don’t racially dominate you).
          And the resource = race wars will begin as the one thing you cannot sell lightly (because you cannot buy it back as successful group affiliation) is bloodlines. This in turn being why there is such a monumental drive to undercut race until their is ‘no going back’.

    • spec9

      He is implicitly endorsing bigotry. This can lose the company potential customers so they fired him. Business is business.

    • brior

      Does this person Mr. Olin not have legal remedies? Wrongful termination or something?

  • Luca

    Sounds like a violation of his Constitution rights to me.

    • JohnEngelman

      I don’t think Josh Olin should have been fired. Nevertheless, the First Amendment restrains the government, not private employers.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      Constitution? You are mistaken, that document and all it stands for has been tossed in the trash bin.

    • Smazeli

      No. The first amendment protects you from the government, not your boss. Josh Olin is free to speak….for some other company now.

    • Orthodox_Presbyterian

      NO, NO, and NO. It’s when GOVERNMENT suppresses free speech that your Constitutional rights are violated.
      Companies have the right to be stupid and fire people they don’t like. At least the Constitution doesn’t forbid it.
      It’s VERY important that we understand this distinction.

      • spec9

        Do you think it is stupid to fire people that offend your customers?

      • sbuffalonative

        Yes, the right of free speech is a misnomer.

        Congress shall make no law …abridging the freedom of
        speech

        The 1st amendment only says Congress can’t make a law prohibiting freedom of speech. It doesn’t say individuals have any protected right or that other individuals can’t react or punish others for their free speech.

        Like it or not, you have to be careful because you have no true ‘right’ that is protected by law to say anything you want.

  • So CAL Snowman

    “the comments made by our former community manager stand in stark contrast to our values as a game development studio – Turtle Rock ”

    Turtle Rock studios is best known for creating the video game series “Left 4 Dead” in which players assume the role of survivors in a zombie apocalypse. The game features intense and over the top graphic violence as players dismember and kill hordes of zombies with machine guns, machetes, axes, and shotguns. What kind of values are those? So Turtle Rock Studios is more than okay with over the top depictions of graphic violence and people getting attacked by zombies, but they are not okay with an employee voicing his opinion on a hot button topic? What a bunch of pathetic quislings.

    • Smazeli

      Well yeah. Because violence against zombies is fake, whereas racism is real.

      Also, Josh Olin was a community manager for the company. It’s his job to be their public face, and if he doesn’t represent them the way they want, guess what?

    • jane johnson

      Sounds like a rip-off of “Resident Evil” (the game, not the current occupant of the White House)

  • Tom Thumb

    I think I could try this myself and end up owning the company. I wouldn’t even have to hire a liar/lawyer to win this case.

    • spec9

      This merely exposes your cluelessness as to the law.

  • David Ashton

    This is how it happens, Mr Engelman.

    • JohnEngelman

      ???

      • David Ashton

        The social “brainwashing” process.

        • JohnEngelman

          In a country with as much freedom as the United States brainwashing does not exist. Most people avoid exposure to political messages they dislike. There are many messages to choose from.

          Those who blame popular attitudes on brainwashing are those who do not want to acknowledge that their concerns are minority concerns, and probably the concerns of a shrinking minority.

          • David Ashton

            Just as a matter of experimental interest, outline your proof of the statement that those who blame popular attitudes on brainwashing are those who “do not want to acknowledge” that their concerns are minority ones.

          • JohnEngelman

            That should be obvious to a discerning reader of some of the posts here. They have difficulty understanding why intelligent, well informed, and decent people disagree with them fundamentally on important issues.

          • David Ashton

            Not an answer to my actual question.
            There is objective evidence of editorial control in the mainstream media, of political control in academe and covert funding of undesirable organisations that amounts to an informal combination of censorship and indoctrination. Just look at the data collected by your fellow-“Zionist” David Horowitz, for starters.

          • thomasdosborneii

            Brainwashing very much does happen in the United States, to an unfree and imprisoned class, namely children in public school. The brainwashing has been going on now for a long enough time for the students to be become adults who now think and act the way the “executives” of a company like “Turtle Rock Game Developers” think and act.

  • ncpride

    This just shows the level of fear in this country when it comes to race. This company quickly jumped on the PC wagon out of fear. MSNBC wants a conversation about race? What a joke. Having any kind of conversation about race will result in dire consequences if anyone dare have a different point of view. Then their ilk have the gall to call it ‘cowardice’, when any clear thinking person can see it’s really intimidation and fear of being ostracized or even worse that keep most silent. We have many high profile examples of such just this year alone. What a sad shape we are in.

    • Guest

      It’s paranoia with hysteria at this point. Racial intimidation. I never thought our culture would fall so fast.

  • JustJeff

    YYYEEEAAAAH ‘MURICA WOOOO!!!!

  • Alexandra1973

    What if you say The En Word under your breath while in your car?

    • IstvanIN

      The dash board entertainment interface/touch screen records your conversations. Drive a Studebaker.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Which Democrat party leader are you talking about?

    • MBlanc46

      Just hope that you’re not being recorded.

    • curmudgeon

      Eric Holder and the gang will get you!

    • thomasdosborneii

      Your OnStar will put on your brakes, disable your ability to unlock your door and unbuckle your seat belt and keep you imprisoned in your car while they call the PC Police to come arrest you.

  • Lion’s Mane

    Even “Little Richard” has expressed — though not in response to this immediate situation — his concern over the firing of people for expressing unpopular opinions. Check on YouTube —
    Little Richard – ‘Speaking Freely’ at 10 minutes and 29 seconds: “I think that we, in this country — I think that there’s a danger — If I say something about somebody and they get mad cos I said it, and they’ll block me from my job — That’s not freedom of speech.

  • Fair Dinkum

    Got to the Turtle Rock website — https://www.turtlerockstudios.com/our-studio/contact-us/ — and tell them what you think. I just did.

    • SoulInvictus

      Thanks for the link, I used it.

      “I will not be buying any more of your games (have purchased several previously).
      I can’t in good conscience support a company that has so wholeheartedly bought into the lefty brainwashing that they’ll fire an employee for simply declaring that the First Amendment exists.
      The fact that you can get away with this without having your ass sued off, proves it doesn’t.

      Thanks for diminishing the US a little bit more in an effort to show your support for black worshiping, liberal f**ktards. Way to go.”

  • bubo

    The left has ALL the power now. Any opposition to the hive-mind will be result in banishment.

    • spec9

      Actually, it is the free market that made the decision. Libertarians won.

  • Dang

    Now facts are bigots?

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      The truth is always racist… and Islamophobic… and sexist… and classist.

  • This country has literally gone insane. That insanity cannot last because a stable, workable society cannot exist in this type framework. When the “insanity bubble” (to coin a phrase) bursts, then we need to be prepared to move within hours to secede or otherwise challenge the government.

    What happened with Sterling, Olin, Paula Deen, etc. is not a sign that our enemies are all powerful. It’s a sign that they’re running scared. They’re weak, so they have to destroy anyone who strays slightly. Like in the French Revolution, they’re eating their own.

    We should pile on and encourage them to destroy their own. We win as their mutual destruction weakens them even more.

    • IstvanIN

      The Soviets, Cubans and North Koreans had no right of free expression or thought and you can see how successful their societies were or are.

      • alex

        Cuban and North Korean regimes may outlive current regimes in Europe and USA. Soviet regime started to disintegrate after it had allowed free expression.

        • IstvanIN

          Kings are not the same as communist dictatorships and never were.

          • How would you describe North Korea? Is it a hereditary Communist dictatorship, or is it a despotic monarchy? In their case, the difference is so blurry as to be effectively nonexistent.

          • IstvanIN

            They are not a monarchy in any way, shape, or form. Remember, a monarchy has a certain religious aspect, the monarch has certain obligations to serve the people, and, at the least, has lessor nobles and other members of the royal family to deal with if not a parliament. North Korea, at best, is an unofficial hereditary dictatorship. I would be hard pressed to even call them communists.

          • North Korea does have a state quasi-religion, “Juche”.

          • thomasdosborneii

            They’ve combined all the totalitarian evils–they’re even a sort of theocracy, that “Juche religion” thing they’ve got going, there.

  • Lion’s Mane

    In firing an employee simply for making a comment, a company ultimately denies itself its own free speech, as a purely practical consequence. When pure fear rules the private sector in this manner, businesses are shackled and fettered psychologically, and employees can never feel secure enough to be as fully creative and innovative and productive as they might otherwise be. The self-confidence needed to do great things is stifled. Countries which do not have this problem will have great advantages.

    • You got that right. Technological innovation requires the spirit of the freedom of thought. So does innovation in general. The basis for the well-being of our country is being destroyed faster than we can imagine.

      • thomasdosborneii

        Seconding both Lion’s Mane and WideBridge–you’ve got a very good point, there. This kind of thing makes me think of one of HItler’s downfalls, and nearly every other tyrant, as well. They rule so that they are surrounded only by yes-men, too afraid to tell the truth to the Furher. “We are doing well in the Russian front, main Furher, soon will be defeating Moscow!” Can work the exact same way in business enterprises.

  • Nancy Thomas

    Insanity!
    Watch your thoughts!
    The pre-crime unit is on the way!

  • dd121

    This country’s finished. I’m just stocking up for the next phase.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      The United States is a totalitarian dictatorship. White people aren’t under any ethical obligation to continue defending a government that has long ceased to represent their collective racial interests. The only thing left to do now is for race conscious whites to withdraw from mainstream society and establish a grassroots movement, one that will eventually have the capacity to halt and reverse the effects of massive third world immigration, contain the out-of-control black crime rate and hopefully undermine the authority of the multicult dictators in Washington. Let’s hope we can do this before we reach the point of no return and future generations of whites end up cursing us for turning America into an impoverished, crime-ridden third world hellhole.

      • spec9

        O Rly?

      • MBlanc46

        The United States is not a totalitarian dictatorship. (If it were, AmRen wouldn’t exist and many here would be in labor camps or just disappeared.) Social control is much subtler and in some ways more insidious than in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. We’re a very conformist society, and powerful institutions can bring great influence to bear to marginalize dissent.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Perhaps a little terminological precision is required here. The US government represents a primarily “soft” version of totalitarianism. Like “hard” forms of totalitarianism, the US government embraces core policies that have been imposed undemocratically over the American electorate, are irrevocable and can only be changed by means of violent revolution, rather than by free and peaceful elections. Unlike “hard” totalitarianism, the “soft” version of totalitarianism practiced by the US government relies on mass indoctrination and more informal mechanisms of coercion. These include firing dissidents from their jobs, denying them a livelihood, character assassination by media and other ways of making their lives generally unpleasant, until they realize the error of their ways and finally internalize state-sanctioned ideological norms.

          • MBlanc46

            If totalitarianism has any meaning, it’s total control of the citizenry by the state. We’re no where near that it the US or Western Europe. I don’t think that we do our cause any good with inflated rhetoric. Whilst people might differ on this, I don’t think that totalitarianism is a great concern. What we really have to worry about, in my view, is the destruction of national societies by transnational finance capital.

        • “The United States is not a totalitarian dictatorship.”
          But it is a totalitarian dictatorship. It’s just in a more sophisticated form.

          • benvad

            We aren’t yet.

          • benvad

            Minorities are held to different standards.

          • SoulInvictus

            Minorities are held to no standards.

            There, fixed it for you.

          • benvad

            Thank you.

          • MBlanc46

            At least I try to give an argument for my view and don’t merely make a bald assertion.

  • Truth Teller

    Luca the first amendment only applies to goverment prior or post censorship or punishing people who express views contrary to goverment dictates. Private organizations have every right to fire or punish people for what they say.

    • spec9

      Especially employees that present a public face of the company.

    • Jacqonta Green

      Try firing a black, hispanic, woman or jew with a differing opinion and see what happens dear truth teller.

      • dd121

        It’s never talked about in the media, but a lot of the black on white workplace shootings are self-entitled blacks who feel disrespected by their firing for cause.

  • spec9

    Company fires “Community Manager”, a job which presents a public image of the company to public, for defending racism. As a commercial entity, a company wishes to have as many customers as possible whether they be green, white, brown, blue, or purple. Thus the company did what was in its own best commercial interest and fired an employee that was offending potential customers.

    And this somehow bothers people here? Why do you hate free markets?

    • Lion’s Mane

      Freedom of speech trumps free markets. All freedom rests on freedom of speech. Take away that, the most basic of all freedoms, and all is lost.

      Secondly, I don’t think that Donald Sterling actually hated Blacks. In the recording, he said that he loves Black people. He simply did not want his girlfriend cuckolding him and advertising it in broad daylight. His colleagues were reminding him that this woman was making a fool of him, and he found it scandalous.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    Sue sue sue.

  • Urbane Neanderthal

    Sad to know their “values” don’t include the right to have an unpopular opinion without losing your job.

  • Dirk_Pitt

    If you click on the link for turtle rocks twitter page there is a picture that i assume is the workforce. Hard to see on this small screen but I can’t see one single black face ( of course we know why) I wonder if this could blow up in their face in more ways than one.

  • spec9

    Enjoy my comment before they delete it (again).

    A company fired a “community manager”, a job that is to present a public face of the company to customers, for defending racism. The company wants to maximize sales to customers whether they are green, blue, brown, white, or purple. Thus, the commercial company did what was in their own best commercial interest and terminated an ‘at will’ employee that was offending potential customers . . . and you have a problem with this?

    Why do you hate free enterprise?

  • Michael Mason

    I can hardly believe my eyes.

  • The Warrior

    I’m not sure he got fired for asserting Sterling’s right to free speech. I think his last sentence, “He’s a victim,” was the offending part.

    Perhaps Olin’s real point was that there should be more outrage over the actions of Sterling’s mistress. I would agree that recording a private conversation and making it public, if not illegal, is not appropriate, but I would not go so far a saying Sterling is a victim. He got what he deserved.

    • IstvanIN

      He may not be a nice man but in this instance he was a victim, both of his “girl friend” and his own stupidity. When you have to pay for “love” don’t expect much in the way of loyalty.

  • spec9

    Enjoy my comment before they delete it (for a third time).

    A commercial company fired a “community manager”, a job that is to present a public face of the company to customers, for defending racism. The company wants to maximize sales to customers whether they are green, blue, brown, white, or purple. Thus, the commercial company did what was in their own best commercial interest and terminated an ‘at will’ employee that was offending potential customers . . . and you have a problem with this?

    Why do you hate free enterprise?

  • spec9

    Enjoy my comment before they delete it (again . . . for a fourth time).

    A company fired a “community manager”, a job that is to present a public face of the company to customers, for defending racism. The company wants to maximize sales to customers whether they are green, blue, brown, white, or purple. Thus, the commercial company did what was in their own best commercial interest and terminated an ‘at will’ employee that was offending potential customers . . . and you have a problem with this?

    Why do you hate free enterprise?

  • Andross

    To Spec9:
    He wasn’t “defending racism”. He was defending the right of Americans
    to express thoughts in “the security of their own home” without the
    fear of being persecuted. I guess choosing to boycott Turtle Rock
    Studios for persecuting their own employees would also constitute
    “hating free enterprise” in your ridiculous view of things?

    • spec9

      He was defending a racist then. Big difference. And go ahead, you are perfectly within your right to boycott Turtle Rock Studios.

      BTW, love the topic . . . censorship . . . and my post has been deleted 4 times now. Oh the irony. Some people can’t handle good arguments I guess.

    • Andross

      To Spec9:
      Please remind me, what is your so-called “good argument” that keeps being deleted? Allow me to paraphrase it:
      “He bad! wicked RACIST! destroy!”
      It actually sounds more like trolling.

      • spec9

        That is not my argument. I would like to discuss this with you but apparently my argument is too powerful and has to be deleted over and over again . . . which completely destroys their own point! They are censoring me!

        My argument:
        “As a commercial entity, a company wishes to have as many customers as possible whether the be green, white, brown, blue, or purple. Thus the company did what was in its own best commercial interest and fired an employee that was offending potential customers.
        And this somehow bothers people here? Why do you hate free markets?”

    • spec9

      He defended a racist that offended many people. If a company hired Hitler to sell Matza should they be forced to keep that person?

      Go ahead and boycott Turtle Rock . . . that is your right.

    • Andross

      To Spec:
      What on earth are you yammering about? Josh Olin is suddenly
      comparable to Hitler because he defended someone’s right not to be
      persecuted for “thought-crimes”? You sure sound like a good American
      over there. A good leftist stooge, anyway.

    • spec9

      I love how they keep deleting my messages and proving their own hypocrisy.

  • mphnyc

    I wouldn’t want my community manager (someone who represents my company across social media) expounding publicly on any controversial subject.

    • MBlanc46

      Then you’d never have anyone with any integrity working for you. Perhaps that’s what you’d prefer.

      • IstvanIN

        I can actually see this from both angles, if someone if the public face of a company you generally want them to avoid controversy. The actor who portrays the Maytag repairman should not be involved in controversy, but should the people who work in the advertising department behind the scenes be held to the same standard?

        • MBlanc46

          I’m not sure what forum this remark occurred in. If it was company sponsored, then the company has a say. If not, not.

          • IstvanIN

            Is that Twitter?

          • MBlanc46

            I couldn’t say. I don’t twit.

          • IstvanIN

            Neither do I but look at the little bird in the upper right hand corner of the screen shot, I believe that is their emblem. Now, was he using his own account or the company’s?

          • MBlanc46

            That’s the question and I don’t know the answer.

        • DudeWheresMyCountry?

          But who decides what is controversial? His comments really were not controversial at all.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      He made the comment on his personal twitter account, not an account that represents the company.

      • thomasdosborneii

        That’s right, he was just speaking his mind on Twitter (which I do think is a stupid thing to do in general, but then, I don’t understand Twitter, either), there was no mention of his employer. Who among their potential customers even know who he is? i doubt if he has name recognition such as “Bill Gates” has or “Steve Jobs” had, or any celebrity has.

    • ViktorNN

      This view is wrong.

      It is blatantly oppressive and immoral to fire an employee who has expressed a political opinion on their own time, outside of work, merely because a company is afraid of being linked to that employee’s opinion.

      U.S. business need to grow spines. As long as an employee is doing their job well, they deserve to be respected as individuals who may or may not have political points of view that differ from whatever is considered popular or fashionable.

  • Johnny Squire

    “As a commercial entity, a company wishes to have as many customers as possible whether the be green, white, brown, blue, or purple. Thus the company did what was in its own best commercial interest and fired an employee that was offending potential customers.
    And this somehow bothers people here? Why do you hate free markets?” – spec9.

    (spec9’s comment was removed before I could post my reply)

    There is no such thing as a free market. Every market is regulated by the governments they operate under. A fair and open market that respects the interests of all parties under the jurisdiction of the local and national governments is the ideal, but it is not free. What you are describing is Capitalism, which opposes free markets, despite its protestations to the contrary. Capitalism uses its influence in government to restrict market access in order to protect its own. Capitalism has no respect for any person, property, association, or law that impedes its quest for profits. Like its rival, Communism, it seeks to destroy organic societies because it knows that the intermediary institutions of family, church, and community are what protects the individual from the predations of the market and the state.

    • jane johnson

      “Money never sleeps. Greed is good”
      Gordon Gecko

    • MBlanc46

      And if the American people actually gave a rusty bleep about freedom of expression, they’d support companies that promote it in their workforce.

      • spec9

        If this web site actually have a bleep about freedom of expression they would stop deleting my posts!

    • IstvanIN

      A free market, excluding natural monopolies and oligopolies, should only be regulated in so far as protecting the public from fraud, such as enforcing contracts, weights and measures, protecting the environment and protecting the health of the buying public. In other words if you sell me a pound of beef it should be untainted beef in the amount of one pound. It shouldn’t be colorized turkey in the amount of 14 ounces and filled with botulism.

      • spec9

        Uh . . . OK. Does that relate to the Turtle Rock situation somehow?

        • IstvanIN

          If he was the manager and not speaking for the company he should be entitled to his opinion. He was defending Sterling’s right to have racists opinions. Or are you of the opinion that only non-racist, as defined by the government or SPLC, be allowed rights?

          • spec9

            Is a commercial company not allowed to fire employees that they feel are offending customers?

            BTW . . . what about my right to speak? I’m just posting opinions with no foul language and they are constantly being deleted. This website has made a joke of itself by censoring me! LOL!

          • Lion’s Mane

            Yes, but they should use better judgment than was shown here.

          • spec9

            Are you of the opinion that my arguments are respectful and cogent? Perhaps you disagree with them but they are constantly deleted. And that is their right. But it proves my point and shows this site to be funny hypocrisy.

          • IstvanIN

            Actually I am confused as to why your comments have been deleted.

          • Johnny Squire

            All dissent against diversity is being crushed because Business is defending its ‘right’ to cheap labor. We are force-fed the lie that “diversity is our strength” in order to facilitate the movement of human resources with as little resistance as possible.

  • spec9

    The message board is AMAZING. The topic is “censorship” and the moderators are furiously deleting messages that contain no foul language at all. Hilarious!

  • IstvanIN

    And never clutch your purse in an elevator with a black man present. A huge crime.

  • ndmike12

    Saying that Mr. Olin was defending racism is like saying that someone who expresses opposition to capital punishment in all cases is defending the rape, torture and murder of innocents. It’s fundamentally dishonest and flagrantly stupid.

    • Mrfinoni

      Mr. Olin was flagrantly stupid. Seriously… guess what honey… I stood up for free speech! and the bad news…..

      • ndmike12

        I think calling Sterling a victim is stupid. But it isn’t a defense of racism.

        • Mrfinoni

          No argument! but considering the politically correct pricks we have running the country here in Canada I wouldn’t consider it prudent. You have to pick your battles.

        • Mrfinoni

          no argument! just imprudent. you have to pick you battles

          • DiversityIsDeath

            Exactly. Billionaire jewish lawyer Sterling does not need some noble goy nobody sticking his neck out for him. If anyone can launch a defense against the left wing mob it’s Sterling. They mistakenly thought Sterling would grovel and slink off like a good little goy a la Imus. But an indignant Sterling is not going down without one helluva fight and he’s going to drag them down with him. This ought to be entertaining. Plenty of hypocrisy and dirt and names and who got paid how much $$$$ will come out.

  • ndmike12

    PSA for spec9: The owners of this *private* forum have no obligation to allow their forum to be cluttered with repetitive bad-faith trolling. Deleting comments by someone who has exhibited signs that he’s not operating in good faith is not anti free speech. It’s not your opinions, it’s you.

  • I suspect – and hope – that the public pillory of people for private conversations in this respect will likely backfire.

  • I will NEVER do business with Turtle Rock Studios
    because of the way they treated this employee ..

    • Andross

      I never heard of them before today… and likely would never have heard of them regardless. they’re nobodies famous for making some kitsch zombie game

    • benvad

      Your probably doing business with them inadvertently, you just don’t know it. Our only chance to avoid it all is to be stranded like Tom Hanks in Castaway.

  • Cole Younger

    Liberals devouring themselves in PC madness. Love it.

    • benvad

      Glad their getting a taste of their own medicine.

  • Who Me?

    I don’t have time for video games, and I don’t spend money on things I don’t use, so I guess they’re safe from having to spend MY racist money……

  • RileyDeWiley

    Look at the web page. They are all white.

    • ViktorNN

      Looks like a great place to work actually, all those young, creative, intelligent white people, working shoulder to shoulder.

      Too bad they’re the self-hating kind of whites.

      But apparently not the kind of self-hating whites that give up their jobs to hire non-whites, haha.

      • benvad

        They’re all kumbaya until their livelihoods are threatened, then their not as liberal as they thought.

        • ViktorNN

          White liberals who spout pro-diversity nonsense do so up to the point where they have to give up their jobs to non-whites, live next door to non-whites, and send their white children to majority non-white schools.

          Which explains why you find the most vocal pro-diversity white liberals in parts of the country and in parts of society where there are the fewest non-whites.

          • benvad

            Wish I could join but able to mute them at random with a remote control unit, like John Ritter in some movie I saw.

  • I have the right to be a bigot in the security of my own home because thankfully I do not work for Turtle Rock Studios. According to Wikipedia, these Marxist creeps produce the “Evolve” and “Left 4 Dead” games. Don’t buy their products.

  • benvad

    Freedom of expression is gone in the USA.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      Not if you are non-White it isn’t, especially if they want to be hateful.

      • benvad

        Sorry, I forgot! I fooled myself into believing that we were all equal.

  • benvad

    That’s the only sense Garden Noam Chomsky ever made in his dispicable life.

  • Gary Eberly

    Turtle Rock Studio, maker of video games, I will not be purchasing any of your crappy products. This IS America, you’re not required to like everyone, no one would give a rat’s arse if an African American said publicly “I hates all white folk.” Screw the double standarsd and screw TRS.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Multiculturalism killed it.

  • Earl Turner

    If we don’t want the government to have this sort of power over us, why would we allow businesses or any other entity to have it?

  • Ragman69

    Speaking the truth will always get you in “trouble”.

  • FozzieT

    Just a demonstration of how terrified corporate America is of our PC Enforcers. An employee says something only mildly out-of-step with the Party Line and the company has to fire him lest the swift, certain punishment of the Enforcers come down upon them and run them out of business.

  • williambaranowski

    Now, he has to get a real job.

  • curmudgeon

    How sad. I would not work for such a close minded company!

  • OldTimerUSNCB

    Boycott Turtle Rock either they don’t like White people or as already said if you got your own option we will take it from you. In the last five years I have seen 95% of Black so called leaders in this Country trash White people every day 24/7 and none of these Liberal brain dead sheep say a thing, mainly because they are wimps and their Mother neutered them when they were young.

    • richard garyson

      Well, most of us are fed up, but not enough to put our reputations, careers, livelihoods, and lives on the line.

  • fgbrunner3

    Turtle Rock Studios should apply for charter membership in Tyrants-R-Us

  • richard garyson

    Did he do this on the company account, or on his own private account?

  • Berkeley Guy

    I have a question: If Josh Olin was black, then would he have been fired or laid off?

    • Lion’s Mane

      (I think a lot of people have asked themselves this question.)

      Personally, I’m almost certain that, had he been black, he would not have been dismissed from his job.

    • Tully

      I agree, furthermore if Olin was female she’d be equally out of bounds. But being white and male, well he’s fair game.

      That said, let’s get down to brass tacks. Any public utterance that is un PC/MC we make and that can be traced back to us will be used against us. It doesn’t matter if it’s against the Constitution to do so as we are living in a state that is rapidly becoming a new version of the Soviet Union.

      Look free speech is going extinct whether we like it or not. The Left is working overtime stripping the people of their Constitutional Rights and shut down debate on a wide array of issues.

      If you post, post anonymously and never admit to anyone your handle or what you write about.

      Remember if it can be used against you it will. So admit nothing.

  • Fr. John+

    This lockstep ‘State Religion’ is everywhere. As Pat Buchanan pointed out, this is no longer a serious country. This is a Dictatorship of the Negro, by the Negro, and only FOR the Negro.

  • Nothing new here when I say this, but Political Correctness and Liberalism(not liberally-minded people) are like malignant growths that have to consume more and more in order to stay in power. Learn how to keep your distance and they will have no other choice but to feed on their own. I find this whole fiasco amusing. Predictable, but amusing.

  • [Guest]

    A true liberal, if any remain, would howl in outrage over the firing of Olin.

    • MarcB1969

      True liberals have been largely displaced by post-modern leftists. The new left have openly embraced totalitarianism since 1993. You can’t be a liberal AND advocate for tyranny. The two ideologies are incompatible.

      • [Guest]

        That’s true and well said.

      • That’s many of us here have taken to calling them “Cultural Marxists”.

  • MarcB1969

    The pansy company managers/owners committed preemptive economic terrorism to merely grandstand.

  • A Freespeechzone

    What do you bet that Turtle Rock Studios has and fosters a culture of hate and utter disdain for anyone who doesn’t toe the liberal agenda. I’m sure Olin is and will be trashed within the company for his truthful tweet

    I’ll bet the culture is to hate anything logical, normal or moral and make fun of those who do.

    Let California taxes and liberals consume them.

  • NoMosqueHere

    In right to work states you can be fired for any reason, as long as it’s not “discriminatory” on the basis of race, etc., within the limitations of statutory and case law authorities. Basically, an employer can fire you if he doesn’t like your politics or world view or if he doesn’t like your tie.

    • Lion’s Mane

      Why is it not “discriminatory” if the employer doesn’t like your politics or world view? I can understand and support a policy where politics and world views are not to be discussed on the company’s time — on the basis that this is a misuse of work-time. The employee is not being paid to campaign or proselytize. But what you do and say after hours should merit some protection — especially in the privacy of your home. If you cannot discuss these things on the job, then your employer should not be permitted to ‘discuss’ them in your absence — in the sense of judging them.

  • Rhialto

    From my brief google/wikipedial research, the position of Community Manager at a Diversityized company would require a high level of Liberal orthodoxy. Therefore his abrupt termination may have been justified, and perhaps necessary.

  • Truth Teller

    NCPRIDE

    The 1st amendment right of free speech applies only to govt censorship and punishment.
    Private entities can fire employees, break contracts, banish people from religious organizations etc etc.

    A govt school teacher cannot be fired for what he or she says. A private school teacher can. In most states, employees can be fired for any reason unless they are gay,female, black, brown or tan.

    • Apparently the line between your rights against oppression by the state and your rights not to be offended by private citizens has been blurred so as to be unrecognizable. This can result when you have an entire country of lawyers who are not clear on the difference between natural born and native born, and when you have the sort of morality in the country where even a prior sitting President can get on the stand and testify that something depends on what your definition of is is.

  • Preservationist

    Can’t you see what’s going on today
    everyone but us has their say
    you can sing about murder, rape and drugs
    but when it comes to white pride your voice is shunned
    you can be proud to black and proud to be brown
    but if you’re white you’re taught to feel down
    this is the reason for our songs to instill a sense of pride that so many long

    Parental Advisory we speak the truth
    Explicit Lyrics of realistic views
    freedom of speech is hypocrisy
    they try and censor our music nationally

    It’s thought control imprisonment of the mind
    force-fed facts and lies
    “Free your mind” you hear on Mtv
    and expand your thoughts with diversity
    but your mind is not free if you’re told what to think
    rather than expanding your mind starts to shrink
    mainstream or not my voice will be heard
    and open up the eyes of the brainwashed blur

    • benvad

      Well deep down all the coloreds actually hate who they are and how they look. They envy the white and are jealous of them beyond compare.

      I guess if they can’t be white, then they want to destroy it.

      • Pilgrim786

        You’ve hit the nail on the head.

        The second part of the story is that of a certain class of whites who hate their “lower class” brethren more than they fear coloreds.

        In the final analysis, the war, at this moment, is a civil war.

  • Xbillion

    Pathetic! Cannot even defend free speech! We’ve come to this people.. Only gonna get worse. No privacy and a country of rat fink, spineless, corporate twats.

  • Jim

    “Here’s an unpopular opinion: Donald Sterling has the right as an American to be a bigot in the security of his own home.”

    —-

    That idea predates America. Britain’s William Pitt (the Elder) said: “The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the crown. It may be frail – its roof may shake – the wind may blow through it – the storm may enter – the rain may enter – but the King of England cannot enter.” That was the prevailing legal philosophy of a MONARCHY back in the 17th CENTURY. And here we are in a republic 400 years later struggling to maintain that element of freedom.

  • “Being unable to fire for cause black, brown, tan, female and gay for cause is a completely separate issue from the First Amendment right of free speech.”
    –Truth Teller

    No it is not. Once the federal government got itself into the business of telling employers who can work, who can not work, and why – via the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission – those issues became instantly and inextricably linked. They were separate matters before the days of the EEOC, but now they are not.

  • Fr. John+

    You’re assuming the post-schism Roman West, IS Christianity.

    I don’t. End of discussion