Democrats Try Wooing Ones Who Got Away: White Men

Jackie Calmes, New York Times, March 3, 2014

Frank Houston knows something about the longtime estrangement of white men from the Democratic Party. His family roots are in nearby Macomb County, the symbolic home of working-class Reagan Democrats who, distressed by economic and social tumult, decided a liberal Democratic Party had left them, not the other way around.

Mr. Houston grew up in the 1980s liking Ronald Reagan but idolizing Alex P. Keaton, the fictional Republican teenage son of former hippies who, played by Michael J. Fox on the television series “Family Ties,” comically captured the nation’s conservative shift. But over time, Mr. Houston left the Republican Party because “I started to realize that the party doesn’t represent the people I grew up with.”

Now, as chairman of the Democratic Party in Oakland County, Michigan’s second largest, Mr. Houston is finding out how difficult it can be to persuade other white men here to support Democrats, even among the 20 or so, mostly construction workers, who join him in a rotating poker game.

Mr. Houston is part of an internal debate at all levels of his party over how hard it should work to win over white men, especially working-class men without college degrees, at a time when Democrats are gaining support from growing numbers of female and minority voters.

It is a challenge that runs throughout the nation’s industrial heartland, in farm states and across the South, after a half-century of economic, demographic and cultural shifts that have reshaped the electorate. Even in places like Michigan, where it has been decades since union membership lists readily predicted Democratic votes, many in the party pay so little attention to white working-class men that it suggests they have effectively given up on converting them.

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So Mr. Houston and like-minded Democrats are working to deploy new, data-driven targeting tools to get the message to white men that the party is more in sync with them than they might think. “We can tell you to the number how many we need and where they live,” said Matt Canter, the deputy executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

No Democratic presidential candidate has won a majority of white men since Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964. {snip}

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Democrats generally win the votes of fewer than four in 10 white men. But they win eight of 10 minority voters and a majority of women, who have been a majority of the national electorate since 1984, while white men have shrunk to a third, and are still shrinking.

White male voters have been crucial in some past midterms, most clearly in 1994, when they helped Republicans take control of the House for the first time in 40 years, and again in 2010.

And this year, Democrats, hobbled by Mr. Obama’s sagging popularity, are defending many red-state Senate seats, including some in places with few members of minorities, like West Virginia. A big reason for Democrats’ emphasis on raising the minimum wage is the polling proof that the issue resonates with all groups, including white men. In Michigan, Mr. Houston is leading an effort to place a minimum-wage increase on the November ballot and said it “really polls well with white men.”

Some white men have proved to be within reach: single men, college students and graduates with advanced degrees, the nonreligious, and gay men. But working-class married men remain hardest to win over and, unless they are in unions, get the least attention—to the dismay of some partisans.

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What discourages Democrats is that men’s attitudes shaped over generations—through debates over civil rights, anti-Communism, Vietnam, feminism, gun control and dislocations from lost manufacturing jobs and stagnant wages in a global economy—are not easily altered.

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Democrats’ gloom about white men was eased temporarily by Mr. Obama’s 2008 election when he won 41 percent of white male voters—the first time a Democrat exceeded 40 percent since Mr. Carter in 1976. But their support for his re-election fell to 35 percent, roughly what Democrats have gotten since they lost to Richard Nixon.

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Generally, however, the Democrats’ Senate majority is at risk, which helps explain why the party has not tried to revive gun-safety legislation proposed after the Newtown, Conn., school massacre. Few issues have hurt Democrats more among working-class white men over time.

“It’s a bad stigma: If you’re a Democrat, you’re against guns,” said State Representative Scott Dianda, a Democrat in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. He is quick to say he is a hunter.

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  • D.B. Cooper

    Well, the GOP certainly isn’t trying to woo white men nor white women, and as long as they have HIM, I won’t be voting for the Republican Party.

    • Fathercoughlin

      Yes white men feel inadequate when they look at David Boehner. His appeal to women is so strong it scares men,and destroys our self esteem. He is so sexy,charasmatic,dominant,romantic,sensual and MANLY that women go absolutely bonkers over him. I asked my dear wife of ten years if she would remain faithful to me if tempted by a number of men.George Clooney? Yes,she would be true. Affleck? Damon? Yes,yes. Jagger? Bono? Of course. Football stars? TV stars? Billionaires? She would happikly eschew them all. I felt so happy.But then I had to press it just a bit too far. “How about,” I asked so innocently,”if David Boehner looked your way?” “Oh my GOD!” she shreiked. “David Boehner is a sexual GOD! He is the embodiment of sex.I could not and would not resist him. No woman can. I am sorry. ” I must live with this now. Be careful of what you discuss with your dear wife,because that sweet goodhearted lovely loving lady may have a devilish side,when the topic is…David Boehner!!

      • Dr. Möbias

        You forgot to ask her if she’d be tempted by the likes of Idris Elba, Denzel Washington or Jamie Foxx.

        The media want to tell us that White women prefer Black men over our own.

      • Katherine McChesney

        Sorry for your loss.

        • Snazzy Snook

          ..

      • TheAntidote

        You know what it is? It’s a combination of things. It’s the Man-Tan; women love the dark field hand look. Also the chain smoking; wimminz love tobaky. But also with all the constant weeping and wearing pink ties he shows his sensitive side.

        • Edruezzi

          Maybe the pink tie means he has a wide stance.

      • saxonsun

        If that is all it takes to destroy male self-esteem, then you have none. When are you scared sexists going to understand that women are human too?…! That means that we also have self-esteem–and most of us don’t need men to acknowledge that for us. No man can rob me of my strong womanhood unless I allow it. And I don’t.

      • Snazzy Snook

        Actually, his name John ..

    • Dr. Möbias

      Him or any other GOPe.

  • JSS

    “It is a challenge that runs throughout the nation’s industrial heartland, in farm states and across the South, after a half-century of economic, demographic and cultural shifts that have reshaped the electorate”. That’s such an obvious lie, as if the changing electorate where somehow inevitable and natural. No federal government elected a new people with clear intention of displacing us Whites whom they hate. This Mr Houston is a useful idiot.

  • Demorats: against guns, for criminals, for blacks, against whites, for women, against men, for gays, against tradition, for everyone except Christians, for Agenda 21, for the New World Order, ad nauseum. Why would a white male support his own destruction? I’d just as soon do what the feminists are telling men, which is that we have to sit down to pee, as vote for a Demorat.

    • Sick of it

      It’s far less dangerous to sit down while peeing than to vote for the madmen out there today. These people make Robespierre and Marat seem rational in comparison.

      • Who Me?

        “It’s far less dangerous to sit down while peeing than to vote for the madmen out there today.”
        ————————————–
        Not to mention Shrillary C.

  • Extropico

    All day long on talk radio, I hear pseudo-conservatives talk of the need for more war.

    As PJB adjures in his recent column, I’m tuning them out.

    • DaveMed

      To be fair, it’s not just pseudo-conservative. IIRC, the Washington Post was mentioned as well.

      • Extropico

        That is quite true; it was charming to hear the Secretary of the Treasury mention Ukraine at AIPAC.

        • sbuffalonative

          Russia sides with Iran. What better way to distract Russia than an impromptu revolution.

        • It’s charming enough that AIPAC exists at all.

          • blight14

            Ours is a controlled government…….just don’t mention that pesky little fact.

    • If Obama had any brains, he’d shut up about Russia and let the Republicans snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in this fashion. But then Obama goes and sends Kerry out to the Sunday morning shows to rattle the sabres at Russia.

      And also…I haven’t heard that Obama has fired Victoria Nuland.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Firing Nuland should have been a no-brainer.
        O’Bummer has zero leadership skills.

        • Until Obama deployed Kerry to rattle the sabres, I just assumed that Nuland was part of Obama’s “have his cake and eat it too” strategy, i.e. “having his cake” in pretending to be unconcerned about the matter, but “eating it too” in using Nuland and the Deep State as his personal weapon against Russia.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Like creating a false controversy to rev up the public through the media. I guess the old quote: his silence was deafening comes into play here. His silence being not doing the obvious afterward.

        • Dr. Möbias

          Susan Rice and Victoria Nuland have NO BUSINESS in the government of the U.S. Both are arrogant morons whose ignorance may set off WW III.

    • Dr. Möbias

      Then let them be the first to volunteer to “protect” their country on the front lines.

      Easy for them to sit there as armchair generals consigning YOUR white son to die for their silly chess games, it isn’t them or theirs who fight these wars and neither should we be in them, especially to “defend” a country that hates our guts and wishes us dead and gone.

  • JustJeff

    Maybe if they keep insulting us we’ll come around eventually.

    • shmo123

      Why do you display the logo of an organized bunch of bloodthirsty murderers?

      • JustJeff

        One man’s bloodthirsty murderers are another man’s freedom fighters.

        • D.B. Cooper

          Germany won’t even let KISS use their usual logo whenever they are touring because it looks too much like the SS lighting strikes.

          • RisingReich

            Your point?

          • JustJeff

            lol

          • NM156

            The SS logo is the repetition of the Nordic rune “sowilo” as the font for the two “s” letters in “schatzstaffen”. Just some useless information for your local trivia night…

          • blight14

            I wouldn’t either, considering………….

          • Dr. Möbias

            Considering the repercussions, such as Germany being compelled to hand over even MORE billions in reparation money to Israel.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Shows how controlled Germany is these days.

        • Spartacus

          I’m the second man .

        • Kathy M

          Nazis were a pack of murderers who had their a**es handed to them in WWII. LOL

          • Bobbala

            Might made right???

          • sbuffalonative

            And here we are today, living in a multicultural Utopian paradise.

          • Kathy M

            Dig LBJ up and thank him for that. The Kennedys too.

          • JSS

            We can thank judeophiles like you and Engelmen to.

          • blight14

            Correct…..

          • Dr. Möbias

            I will second that.

          • Dr. Möbias

            The war on Western Civilization happened far before LBJ and Kennedy were in office. LBJ was a useful idiot for his pay masters. Neither Kennedy or LBJ started the process which is destroying White Western civilization.

            First, you need to start doing some research and reading to understand what and how this happened, look into Boas, the Frankfurt School of Social Research and Freud to understand who is behind this destruction and why they’re doing it.

            If you can’t or won’t identify your enemy, you’ll never be able to fight him.

          • Singh1699

            Cultural marxism for those who don’t know what he’s implying.

          • Fathercoughlin

            You’re profoundly stupid. The Germans fought on two fronts.It took both America/Allies and the Ruskies to stop them. I once read a story of DeGaulle visiting Russia and seeing Stalingrad as the commie guide extolled the bravery of the Red Army. “C’est magnifique!” exclaimed De Gaulle. “Yes our men were very brave” said the guide. “No!”,said DeGaulle.”The Germans,that they should have come so far.” If they were bad guys so be it;the communists,aka TWMNBN,were vastly worse.

          • Kathy M

            Why yes, I think I see your point….

          • Dr. Möbias

            You have drunk deeply from the well of ignorance and have been brainwashed. Your knowledge of history is profoundly lacking and twisted making you look foolish, uneducated and ignorant. There are many posters on here who see right through your silly government-approved arguments.

            You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to history and need to stop now before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. No need to save face, but you do need to start educating yourself.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Nawww–don’t be too harsh with Kathy…It takes awhile to digest. I’ve always seen two Germanys in WWII. There is only so much an every day soldier can do. You can’t put them all in one basket. You have to put yourself in their place. My uncle was killed by the Germans while fighting with the 84th Railsplitters, but I’m still able to see the difference and not hold a grudge against the everyday German.

          • Jesse James

            Andrew one of my grandfathers was a quad 50 anti-aircraft gunner in the 84th ID.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Awesome. My uncle was in the 334th Inf. Reg. Formerly ASTP, 10th Mtn, then stripped out for a European replacement in the 84th. He was KIA at Beeck, Germany. Half of his company was taken prisoner after the Battle of the Bulge commenced shortly there after. My Uncle was a big kid so they stuck him with the BAR. I’m sure that didn’t help his survival chances.

          • Garrett Brown

            Logging out now just to give you another up vote.

          • Dr. Möbias

            The Ruskies were ARMED by the U.S. If they hadn’t been, Hitler most likely would have defeated them. He hated communists and wished to destroy them.

          • Singh1699

            Lend lease, without it lol no vodka let’s just say that.

          • Romulus

            Yes, by their own racial brothers dear. You think that’s something to be proud of?
            As a former member of Americas military, I find your military knowledge sorely lacking. Simply espousing the approved history lessons is not the entire story. The overwhelming % of dead people from both white war 1&2 had the same haploid groups as demonstated by historical DNA analysis, by, among other geneticists, Brian Sykes in his book BLOOD OF THE ISLES.( also published as SAXONS,VIKINGS, AND CELTS)

          • Dr. Möbias

            Some say that these wars were instigated for the purpose of decimating whites and I have no argument against that. It certainly was an internecine war funded by white enemies.

            Never again should whites fight each other to empower our enemies.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Some say that these wars were instigated for the purpose of decimating whites . . ..

            Definitely, and in particular Germanic Europe. Europe’s two greatest Germanic powers, England and Germany, were brought to their knees in 1945. Neither has come close to recovering the spirit, the confidence, the vigour, or the military strength that either had in 1939.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Same for France and England, especially England, which had just lost 900,000 of its young people in WW II only to have another world war at its doorstep.

            Churchill should have been tried for war crimes in Nuremberg for what he did to his people and not accepting Hitler’s peace offerings.

            Hitler admired the English and did not want another war:

            “I have devoted no less effort to the
            achievement of Anglo-German friendship. At no time and in no place have I ever acted contrary to British interests….Why should this war in the West be fought?”

            But some on this thread will call me a Hitler-loving Nazis for even posting that, LOL, even though those are Hitler’s exact words asking for peace. Why did he let the British go at Dunkirk when he could have annihilated them then and there? He thought that would be the end of it and Churchill would drop their war mongering.

            Meanwhile, in America, FDR was busy baiting the Japanese to attack so he could jump in the European war and consign hundreds of thousands of America’s best White youth to die for his megalomaniac fantasies.

            For those of you who think but for FDR, we’d be speaking German, that is just SILLY. Germany did not have the resources or the ability to “take over” the United States, the most powerful industrial nation on the face of the earth.

          • Long Live Dixie

            FDR was busy baiting the Japanese to attack so he could jump in the European war . . ..

            Even before my awakening I thought it was odd that Japan attacked the US, yet the US spent 80% of its efforts on the European war. Of course, now the reason is obvious.

          • Sick of it

            We were all over the Philippines when we should not have been in the area at all. Not that I’m excusing the Japanese, it’s just that we had no place there. Plus it’s amusing to hear about how horrible the Japanese were to various conquered peoples, considering our own history in…the Philippines.

          • Singh1699

            Idk about england.. English soldiers were crying in the letters they wrote in the 1840s.

          • Singh1699

            England is ruled by vikings, has a german base, and is mixed with scythians and celts no?

          • Alexandra1973

            Hitler was just plain evil.

            Might want to take a look at this site: http://www[dot]whale[dot]to/b/hitler_q.html

          • Dr. Möbias

            Worse than Stalin? Trotsky? Lenin?
            Hitler was small potatoes as compared to the real genocidists, the ones WE sided with.

          • JSS

            And it only took the whole world on 3 fronts to do it. Anyway I hope you love the results of that fractional catastrophe we are living with today.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Those 3 fronts were armed by American arms, the best in the world. Patton said the Germans were the finest fighting force on earth, its leaders were brilliant. Patton realized at the end of the war that we were on the wrong side.

          • Sick of it

            He died trying to do the right thing (i.e. destroy the Soviet Union).

          • Garrett Brown

            They did quite a bit of their own ass kicking before they went down. Say what you want about Hitler’s Germany, his army consisted of true warriors who fought valiantly until the end,

          • Long Live Dixie

            Nazis were a pack of murderers who had their a**es handed to them in WWII. LOL

            Germany, the traditional heart of Europe since Mediaeval times, was destroyed and you find this funny?

          • Dr. Möbias

            You want to talk about a pack of murderers look at Russia. Far more died at the hands of the Soviets than died at the hands of the Nazis.

            We sided with the butcher of Eastern Europe, Stalin, armed him to defeat the Germans and at the end of the war even General Patton said we’d fought on the wrong side, and he was not wrong.
            He was removed from his post after which he threatened to expose everything he knew when he got back to the U.S. but conveniently died (or more likely, was killed) before he returned.

            I suppose you’re one of those who thinks if we hadn’t defeated the Nazis we’d all be speaking German, Jews were turned into soap and lampshades and Hitler was the most evil villain who ever lived, and that FDR saved us from the evils of the National Socialists? FDR cleared the way for the bloodthirsty commies in the East, what Hitler was fighting against.

            Your lack of knowledge of WW II is breaktaking, obviously you’ve drunk the venomous lies put out by the revisionists.

          • Wrath of the Awakened Saxon

            Please watch this documentary on the life of Adolph Hitler, it will completely change your views.

            thegreateststorynevertold[dot]tv

            The vast majority of people have been misled by 1940s era war propaganda. Hitler’s political enemies in his rise to power ended up in the US and they were absolutely instrumental in spreading cultural Marxism through our universities. They are directly responsible for our displacement.

        • DaveMed

          All that killing and invading other countries… that was fighting for “freedom”?

          • Sick of it

            The freedom that we have totally lost, thanks to the people running the show.

          • Wrath of the Awakened Saxon

            Large sections of German territory were taken from them in the ruinous Treaty of Versailles which is a whole story itself. What they don’t tell you is in the German sections ceded to Poland, the Polish began ethnically cleansing the Germans. The Polish were deliberately trying to provoke a war with the explicit backing of France and England.

            Maps were circulated showing new German territories that would be granted to Poland if they were able to provoke such a war. The purpose was preventing the Germans from growing enough to challenge the global empires of the French and British.

            Hitler repeatedly warned the poles to stop killing and raping the Germans living in those territories, and poles provocatively fired on German forces. Once Germany invaded Poland, France and Britain declared war on them.

            Hitler was fighting for the freedom of the German people, not high level freedoms like free speech but the most basic freedoms like the right to breathe, not have your house burned down, and not be raped by Poles.

          • DaveMed

            This may have made him a leader of his country, but it did not make him a leader of European mankind.

          • Singh1699

            Did a concept of European mankind exist back then? No, it didn’t.

            It doesn’t today either, not even in America.

        • Pro_Whitey

          Lord help me, I was raised to think the Nazis were the worst, and just in the past few years I have begun to wonder if Hitler had a legitimate claim of German self-defense. I don’t know where this is going to lead.

          • SoulInvictus

            I think you’d very much enjoy,
            http://thegreateststorynevertoldDOTtv/

          • Dr. Möbias

            Keep going, you’re on the right track. Hitler was trying to protect his people and country from the communists. Unlike FDR and Churchill Hitler had fought in the trenches in WW I and knew about warfare first hand. He tried to prevent another war that he knew was going to be worse than WW I. Churchill refused his phone calls offering peace.

          • Actually churchill did in fight in the trenches. He led a battallion in the field in 1916 after he resigned from the government in wake of the Galipoli disaster. He also fought in the Sudan in 1898 and the Second Boer War. So he also knew war close up.
            FDR not so much…

          • tlk244182

            Me too; check out Irmin Vinson’s “Some Thoughts Hitler…,” very readable and thought provoking.

          • Sick of it

            Versailles was a sick joke. The German people had every reason to go to war with Europe as a whole. You don’t just magically get rid of a thousand year plus claim to land with a pen-stroke.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            If Hitler had just settled that grudge: retaking the territory lost during The Great War, there would still be statues of him standing in Germany.

          • Sick of it

            Impossible without retaking huge chunks of Germany that were called Poland at the time.

      • So CAL Snowman

        Just because you can’t see the downvotes, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. So the SS were a bunch of organized bloodthirsty murderers but the NKVD or the Navy Seals are not? What a tool.

        • shmo123

          I’d love to see you tell a Navy Seal that you think he’s the equivalent of a jackbooted Nazi savage. What a fool.

          • Kathy M

            No, I don’t think she would try that.

          • Fathercoughlin

            I would gladly extol the bravery of the German soldier to a SEAL should I have the good fortune to hang out with any. Any SEAL would rspect the Nazi fighting man. They may not want to BROADCAST that opinion,heh heh heh…

          • Kathy M

            Your heroes. Not mine. I’ll go with the Seals — the ultimate fighting machines!

          • Long Live Dixie

            I’ll go with the Seals — the ultimate fighting machines!

            It figures that someone who laughs at the destruction of Europe’s greatest power is also a supporter of the Leftist US military. Some racialist you are.

            You don’t have to be a National-Socialist to think that what the Allies/Communists did to Germany was horribly wrong and suicidal to the West.

          • shmo123

            I doubt anyone who has studied the Wehrmacht would deny they were an able and brave fighting force–even when they were being used as cannon fodder by Hitler. However, I don’t think any Navy Seal would appreciate being compared to a death’s head wearing SS man–at all.

          • Long Live Dixie

            However, I don’t think any Navy Seal would appreciate being compared to a death’s head wearing SS man–at all.

            Did you know the death’s head was in use in German armies from the as early as the 18th century? Like most of the symbolism associated with the Third Reich, its origins are not in National-Socialism.

          • Dr. Möbias

            If history were taught properly in this country, not the communist/socialist revisionist version we have now, any soldier alive would be proud to be compared to Hitler fighting force.

            Even U.S. General Patton called the German army the finest fighting force in the world.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Living under Hitler is much more preferable and honorable than living under an American NWO led by a brown untermensch.

          • dave

            That’s “sub-human” for those who don’t speak German.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Amen.

            Hitler cared about his people and desired to protect them from the murderous communist who almost took over Germany in the 20s.

            Compare Hitler to FDR during that time, FDR drove the U.S. into the ground where Hitler’s policies ended the soul-crushing Weimar policies that had devastated Germany’s economy. He unleashed an economic miracle in Germany.

            Interest free currency combined with business friendly tax policies brought unemployment down from 33% to near full employment in less than 4 years.

          • Sick of it

            I’d rather the regular military have taken over Germany. Call me particular.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Rommel et al almost pulled that off.

          • Sick of it

            Indeed. Too bad they failed and Rommel was forced to commit suicide. Great man.

          • SoulInvictus

            I was about to say the same, and I have made that comparison, in person, and it was received with pride.

          • JSS

            Right because there was nothing “savage” about what the western allies did to Dresden, or Hamburg which killed more White women and children then Japanese killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? There was nothing “savage” about our enabling the rape of millions women in Eastern Europe and Germany by the red army? Western armies are savage to, against other Whites at least. And war is savage in general. WW2 was no “good war”. We were slaughtering our racial brothers and sisters. That’s nothing to celebrate. Our multicultural hell holes that we live in now is the Karma we reaped from that.

          • Singh1699

            No the multicultural hell hole, is because nobody listened to the generals who wanted to continue into east Germany.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Some call it “Hitler’s Revenge.”

          • Sick of it

            Having known an actual navy seal, I can tell you that the decent ones are not proud of the things they have done.

          • shmo123

            The point I was trying to make is that the Nazi’s used the SS as state sanctioned murderers. If they were told to go into a village, round up 200 men, women and children that were on the most undesirable list, take them out to a field and shoot them all, they did it. Seals, like Rangers, probably have to do things that may not always fall under the “ethical” category; hey, the world is still an ugly place sometimes, and certain things have to be done. But I think (or like to think) that no Navy Seal or Army Ranger would assent to, or follow an order that involved the mass killing of civilians.

          • Singh1699

            They would 60+ years ago. Sanctions do today, what warriors did yesterday.
            Even though, I don’t agree with killing civs you have to admit the differences.
            Most men are as or more bloodthirsty than I. See End War by Tom Clancy. If we ever eliminated the threat of nuclear extinction, boy there would be hell.

          • Sick of it

            Vietnam is proof to the contrary (as are the World Wars). I’ve heard stories about Iraq and Afghanistan as well, but nothing as bad as Vietnam.

        • Kathy M

          Comparing Nazis to Navy Seals? I wonder who the tool is.

        • MekongDelta69

          You’re kidding, right? You’re comparing me and my former Team to the SS?

          After all these years on here, WTF happened to this site?

          • What happened to the site? Two things:
            -They got rid of pre-moderation for all comments. This has increased the number of comments, but at the same time has lowered the overall quality of the conversation an has permitted the more “questionable” comments to actually get posted.
            -The sorry state of the world that we find ourself in these days has radicalized many people.

      • RisingReich

        NS Germany had one thing right – the use of symbols is a powerful thing.
        So powerful, you’re shaking in your cyberboots just at the image of the SS.

        Someday, those that clamor for ‘civility’ in the face of total wickedness will realize that it takes men capable of wickedness to successfully mount an offense against it.

        • shmo123

          I’m not “shaking in my cyberboots” but I do think you’re deeply psychologically disturbed. I realize that war means men are willing to do great violence against other men in defense of a country, ideal, ally, etc. The SS, ostensibly Hitler’s bodyguards, represented no ideal or group worthy of being emulated. They were not “freedom fighters”, they were murderers and psycopaths, plain and simple; and anybody who knows anything about them knows that that is true. Yeah, symbols mean something–especially when they’re accompanied by a skull and crossbones and washed in blood.

          • RisingReich

            Not worthy according to you, and your BS history books written by the Tribe.

            German blood isn’t worth fighting for huh?
            We know where you stand, or lie, more like.

            Washed in blood? Blood of the enemy.

          • shmo123

            I’ve spent years studying WWII, and like most people I’m glad that Germany lost; but as Hitler had initial victories, the tactical and military mistakes he made were Germany’s undoing. I take no joy in the fact that German civilians were killed, yet realize full well what they did to the countries they occupied and the horrors they perpetrated; but they started the war, and paid the price. I harbor no ill will towards Germany or its people today–I’m a white American of European descent who wants Europe to prosper and succeed–all of Europe. I’m not a member of “the tribe” but can count a few as friends. What would you say to a German today who would tell you to your face, “Yes we started the war and we were wrong.” The SS were murderers and no rational person would display their logos in any way, because they represent evil in the flesh. There was nothing good about them at all–they even preyed on their own people. You need to stop waving banners and educated yourself.

          • RisingReich

            You want to claim Germany started the war and then say I need to educate myself?!
            Wow lol! More like re-edukate!

          • Garrett Brown

            I would tell that German he was brain washed, and shouldn’t allow his country’s propaganda in the media to dictate what he believes in.

          • Singh1699

            Women voted in hitler, but myself vs my brother, my brother vs my cousin applies.
            Britain, France, Russia had colonies and resources.

            Germany had a state that had risen very quickly in the late 19th century; only to be blockaded and surrounded in the great war.
            Any man with two nads between his legs, would have jumped at the chance to make things even.
            It’s historical revisionism of the extreme sort, to think that whites ever got along and didn’t compete.
            Let’s compare the EU faggots and all, to the 19th century.

          • Garrett Brown

            Agreed. I think all of Europe was in a better place bak then compared to now.

          • Singh1699

            Germany was, and former will be correct. The entire scared of death, culture is why white power is waning.

            Those sons, died valiant deaths. Please don’t insult them, many of my forefathers fought alongside Hitler.

            Whatever happened, is in the past now. However, the spirit who fought is there so Europe still belongs to the brave.

          • SoulInvictus

            Actually, many Germans refer to him-who-must-not-be-named (there) with pride and admiration. They have an acronym, U.S.A. (hilarious) that they use to avoid prosecution. It means either Our Sweet Adolf or Our Sacred Adolf.

          • dave

            Maybe you would be more comfortable with the hammer and sickle? Those mass murderers were alot worse then the Nazi’s,but you’re not allowed to talk about it because many were members of the Tribe.

          • shmo123

            Don’t want the hammer and sickle either. You just admitted they were mass murderers, and I notice you don’t display anything symbols like that, and why would you? They were evil, pure and simple. Any logical person, even if they were trying to show the positive aspects of German national socialists (to the extent they existed), would not use the SS lightning symbols to further their argument. It’s really not difficult to understand.

          • WR_the_realist

            Maybe some of us would be a lot more comfortable with neither. Just because the Communists were brutal mass murderers doesn’t mean the Nazis were our saviors.

          • dave

            That’s the advantages of having free speech.

            I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it. Voltaire

          • WR_the_realist

            Well, if you want to ensure that your pro-white movement never gets the support of more than 5% of the white population, just keep worshiping Adolf Hitler.

          • dave

            I never said I supported Hitler,those are your words. The white race is destroying itself by doing nothing to stop it’s own genocide.

          • WR_the_realist

            I didn’t mean that you supported Hitler, but it is a reasonable inference that JustJeff is an advocate of Adolf Hitler, given his choice of symbol.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Just because the Communists were brutal mass murderers doesn’t mean the Nazis were our saviors.
            For much of Europe during the war, it was one or the other. So all this Monday morning quarterbacking at sites like this is ridiculous. Let’s say you’re a Latvian during the war. You can either join the Waffen-SS and fight the communists or you can wait for the communists to conquer your country. There was no middle ground to choose for millions of Europeans.

          • Dr. Möbias

            The Ukrainian Right Sector are the descendants of those who survived the horrors of the Soviet-created Holodomor. They sided with the Nazis against the communists who tried to starve all of them death, and they know who was behind communism.

          • Long Live Dixie

            . . . they know who was behind communism.

            I’m not so sure about that. The Right Sector was recently in the Israeli embassy to promise they won’t go after the Jews.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Interesting. Do you have a link for that? Most likely they were either threatened or bought off.

            In February they were protesting against the Jews, Russians and the U.S.

            “Right Sector, who now control Ukraine thanks to American “regime change”, are the ideological descendants of the Ukrainian victims of the Holodomor famine. They hate the Jews for starving their forefathers to death. They hate the Russians for letting the Jews take over Russia. And they hate the US — because not only did the US defeat their ally Hitler, but the US was also allied to Russia in WWII and was itself a disgusting puppet of international Jewry.”

            “The Right Sector’s roots go back to the Ukrainians who fought for Adolf Hitler against the Soviet Union during World War II. It was the Right Sector that introduced armed fighters and turned the tide of the protests in Kiev from peaceful protests in favor of joining the EU to violent attacks on police with the view of overthrowing the democratically elected government, which the Right Sector succeeded in doing.”

            httpCOLON//wwwDOTdarkmoonDOTme/2014/ukraine-crisis-portends-apocalypse-by-dr-paul-craig-roberts/

          • Long Live Dixie

            Google Right Sector Israel. It’s the first link to come up.

            Also google Right Sector Israel Golden Dawn if you’re interested in GD’s view on the situation.

          • Alexandra1973

            They had one thing in common, the communists and the Nazis.

            Both created by Jesuits.

            I wouldn’t be looking at the “tribe” but rather the priesthood.

          • Dr. Möbias

            No. The “tribe” were the Bolsheviks and communist leaders; they were even funded by an American Jews, Jacob Schiff.

            “In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total population”

            – Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81

            “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews.”

            –Winston Churchill, February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald that Bolshevism is a “worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization”

          • Long Live Dixie

            . . . the communists and the Nazis.

            Everyone meticulously writes out “communist” each and every time but then uses the slur “Nazi” in place of National-Socialist. The corresponding slur “commie” is hardly ever seen anymore.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Hitler was almost a Girl Scout compared to Stalin.

          • dave

            Don’t forget Stalin’s butchers,Lazar Kaganovich and Genrikh Yagoda. We both know what they are.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Them, too? Good grief. Oy…!!!

          • Kathy M

            I was just watching the Military Channel last night. Again, showing live footage of innocent Jews, not involved in politics or anything else, being lined up in front of pre-dug trenches and then shot in the head at point-blank range. Those Nazis, oh what a proud bunch they are. They even have admirers here.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            They are speaking of the levels and distinctions. The Nazis were a political party. The Wehrmacht were regular military. Once the person was in charge at the top–they had to follow his orders. The Wehrmacht people were no fans of the SS or the Nazi Party, but those were the cards the Wehrmacht were dealt.

          • Corto

            Innocent Whites are killed every day at the behest of Them. Most die in the womb, some die in pointless wars, the others are killed by their darker proxies. The result is the same: racial supremacy for Them and death and slavery for others… especially Whites.

            It is truly remarkable that the real racists and mass murderers have admirers here. At Amren, a site dedicated to the truth.

            Listen to what the others are telling you here.

          • Garrett Brown

            This. Those who shall not be named took the plunge into evil deeds to achieve what they wanted, why can’t we?

          • tlk244182

            I believe Hitler went too far, but reading Mein Kampf, one gets the sense that he felt personally responsible for the fate of Germany, and that he could not risk showing mercy, lest the war be lost and the Fatherland be destroyed. He believed he was locked in a fight to the death with a ruthless enemy who had already done terrible damage at the end of WW1, and was plotting even more treason. The apologies for Churchill and Truman assert the same kind of mitigating circumstance: the Allies were fighting for their lives against an implacable enemy, the Axis. Hitler believed he was fighting for the life of Germany against its implacable enemy, the Jews. And as I continue to study this, I become more and more sympathetic to his point of view.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I think you mean they had high IQs. Ahem.

          • Keeping in mind that I’m fed up with Hitlerites and their weird fetishes, I have to say that expecting unfettered truth and unbiased documentation by watching the idiotbox is probably more than a little naive and credulous.

          • Trevor Pilsbury

            Are you suggesting captured film from WWII was somehow staged? I noticed how quickly you caved and became a member of the herd. I’ve seen enough.

          • I’m suggesting that absolute truth has never come from watching a completely one-sided narrative.

            **someone cue the ominous music**

            You can find atrocities being committed by just about any occupying force when you are dealing with war, death and destruction of that scale. How many instances of American soldiers raping, assaulting and/or killing civilians and other combatants have we heard about in Iraq and Afghanistan? The scale of that conflict is nothing compared to what was WWII. Give me a modest budget and I can probably put together a nice, tidy narrative of Americans invading a poor country and raping little girls and slaughtering their families to cover it up, killing innocent civilians while they drive their cars, video footage of attack helicopters ripping apart the bodies of noncombatants and journalists, etc.

          • JSS

            Some of the film was staged but most isn’t what you think it is. It’s just manipulation and propaganda. Not a hard or new concept.

          • Garrett Brown

            To get the baddies, you have to get rid of some goodies.

            As you can see plainly in this country and pretty much all of our white brother’s and sister’s locations, being civil and ‘kind’ isn’t working.

          • RisingReich

            Because all footage on tv, especially that of a 60 year ago conflict, must be true. To even THINK about questioning the total accuracy of the commonly accepted and disseminated story would be EVIL too, right?

            And you think I am crazy?

          • Dr. Möbias

            I could post REAMS of doctored photos “proving” Nazi atrocities.

            httpCOLON//wwwDOTstormfrontDOTorg/forum/t940784-2/

          • Sick of it

            The fact that we are taught lies and that those lies were not acknowledged to have been lies UNTIL the actual truth was declassified years later sums it all up pretty well. It’s the truth until it becomes a lie when we’re given the real truth? Orwell would laugh at the nonsense of it all. Any sane person should discount the official story because those in power continually admit that they have lied to us.

          • JSS

            “Watching the Military channel”. Lapping up that old kosher tribe approved history eh?

          • Dr. Möbias

            Yeah, I know. We were right to throw our lot with Stalin to defeat those evil Nazis who were trying to protect themselves from international communism.

            What’s 65 million killing in Eastern Europe by the Soviets — that WE supported and ARMED?

            No comparison to the Nazis, right, who wanted to put an end to the bloodthirsty communists, who YOU seem to support.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Something tells me that if a nationalist party comes to power – let’s say Golden Dawn – you’ll be the first to condemn it and call for its overthrow.

        • You represent civility?

          • RisingReich

            Would never claim to obviously.

        • blight14

          Well stated RR…………

      • Kathy M

        I think the idea from the Nazi wannabes is to wear down the moderator until he just accepts it. JT has never allowed this BS in the past. Why now, I don’t know. The problem is that the websites like Amren are very rare. Most have been taken over by the FSS nutters. Too bad. If Amren goes much further in that direction you’ll simply have Storm Front 2.0

        • Romulus

          People that invoke the “nazi” truly have lost all sense of their ancestral haplogroups.
          Which is probably why white racial fratricide has been so prescient since the UNCIVIL war.

          Truly tragic. I would see another Alaric steamroll europes invaders before I ever fall in with dreamers and followers of the usual suspects.

        • shmo123

          Thank you Kathy.

        • So CAL Snowman

          You are free to spew your bile elsewhere if you find the TRUTH so reprehensible. History has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that tbe wrong side won WW2. You are scared of the truth. You embrace killers and violence as long as they are your killers. Yeah go USA kill those Nazis!

          • Kathy M

            You don’t own this site, do you? Praising murderers, no matter who they are, is not the way to go. The thick skulls here need to get that. Hitler and his followers were murderers. They all needed killin’.

          • RisingReich

            So the People of Germany needed to be genocided to prevent a supposed genocide?

          • Dr. Möbias

            You have been completely defeated and are now trying to save face by smearing those whose comments you don’t like.

            The only “thick skull” here is you. You have spread misinformation all down this thread, you are out of “ammunition” and are falling back on the old lefty stand by: ad hominem attacks.

            Nothing new to see here.

          • Long Live Dixie

            Praising murderers, no matter who they are, is not the way to go. . . . They all needed killin’.

            Get your story straight. Do you support killing or don’t you?

            It is your mindset that ripped to Europe to pieces and handed it to the Leftists and Third Worlders 70 years ago.

          • DaveMed

            There was no “right side.”

            Hitler, through his actions and decisions, was directly responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of White Europeans. He was a damned lunatic, and we’d all be better off had he never been born.

            It is unfortunate that AmRen posters think that to be a White Nationalist, one must admire the Nazis.

          • Singh1699

            The threat of another hitler, is probably the only thing keeping an ounce of masculinity in Europe.
            The pedestal would be many steps higher, if the feral dogs of the ‘huns’ were not threatening its foundation.

          • Long Live Dixie

            If not for Hitler, the Soviet Empire would have swallowed up Germany and every country to its east in the 1930s or 1940s.

          • Sick of it

            One bullet could have taken care of Hitler…why murder millions of Germans and so many more millions of other Europeans? Unless that was the plan all along (Hint – It was).

          • DaveMed

            Well, Hitler wasn’t exactly standing on the front lines sticking his tongue out at the Allied forces. And we didn’t have the tracking/satellite technology that we do now.

          • Sick of it

            Again – Dresden and Hamburg…why target the people who aren’t capable of fighting against you?

          • DaveMed

            I’m not trying to defend the Allies’ tactics; I’m simply trying to express my opinion that Hitler was far from someone we should be placing on a pedestal as a role model.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Thank You. Years ago I was the lone voice fighting those who defended the revisionist version of history that’s been forced down our throats. It’s heartening to finally see some sense and sanity when this issue is discussed.

            Shills like “Kathy M” are planted trolls, most likely paid by the ADL to uphold the White genocide, evil Nazis narrative. Fortunately, they are being increasingly drowned out by you and others who have studied this issue.

            The truth cannot be long hid.

        • JustJeff

          Maybe he, like the rest of us, realized that saying how much you hate Nazis doesn’t make any difference. If you read Amren you’re still a racist.

          • Kathy M

            I’ll wear that badge but will never condone murder. Ever.

          • Alexandra1973

            Agreed! I’d rather each race have its own borders, we stay out of their faces, they stay out of ours, and we’re all a lot happier.

            I am against genocide. However, I am not against self-defense.

        • Trevor Pilsbury

          I think you are correct. I had no idea Amren would approve of this. Best wishes.

        • Dr. Möbias

          Yes, let’s make sure the truth is covered up and that we accept YOUR revised, twisted version of what WW II was all about.

          Stalin & the Soviets = the Good Guys.
          Hitler & the Nazis = The Worst Evil Ever Inflicted on the face of the earth and it is because of the Nazis that we now have to suffer with multiculturalism, diversity and White genocide in White and ONLY White lands.

          You need to stop spreading disinformation. Who’s paying you? The ADL or AIPAC?

        • Sick of it

          Stormfront used to have a wide variety of opinions. Most of the people were open to honest debate (not propaganda btw).

      • Romulus

        You mean unlike the Bolsheviks! ……. Please don’t stump for the money changers here.

      • slash345

        I’m gonna have to agree. The Nazi and white supremacy stuff needs to stop if any progress is to be made.

        People see those symbols and automatically think hate and death and all that. It’s in our best interest to drop it because you’re *not* going to get all whites on board with a ethno-nationalist or seperatist movement if you’re going to be throwing that symbol around.

        If Golden Dawn wasn’t doing that nazi crap they’d probably be in control of Greece right now.

        White supremacist and neo-nazi’s need to wisen up and employ strategies that work. The goal is to *win*. And throwing around nazi symbols isn’t going to make you win. Reason and logic will win, not instigating hate.

        My 2 cents atleast

        • Long Live Dixie

          If Golden Dawn wasn’t doing that nazi crap they’d probably be in control of Greece right now.

          Firstly, what “nazi crap” are you referring to?

          Secondly, the people of Greece are hungry, broke, and desperate. They are not interested in polite discussions of racial differences and IQ studies. They are interested in a saviour coming in and taking out the enemies of Greece and restoring Greek honour. That won’t be an easy or civilised job.

          Thirdly, public support for Golden Dawn increased by 2169% from 2009 to 2012. A poll released on the 1st of this month shows an additional 159% increase since 2012. It’s a little petty to find fault with a party that shows that much growth, don’t you think?

      • tlk244182

        About three months ago, I realized that the people who taught me to hate Hitler are the same people who taught me to hate America. I decided to give Hitler a fair trial: reading Mein Kampf, Irmin Vinson, Kevin MacDonald, etc. It is a side of the story that I never heard because its never told. May I suggest Irmin Vinson’s Some Thoughts on Hitler. Its an easily read collection of essays that will give you a chance to decide if you want to explore the topic further.

    • So CAL Snowman

      Yeah like a good looking girl that had an abusive, drunk step father growing up.

    • Kathy M

      Right…

  • DaveMed

    I’m actually concerned about this.

    Will a raise in the minimum wage buy off the White middle class to the point where they no longer care about immigration?

    If those running the GOP had any brains, they would be the ones to propose hiking the MW. Not because it necessarily makes economic sense, but because :

    1. It’s going to happen anyway.

    2. They really need something to draw Whites back to their party. Opposing homosexual “marriage” and being pro-gun is simply not enough to galvanize a majority to vote for your party.

    • borogirl54

      But after raising the minimum wage, what happens when many people, including whites find themselves on the unemployment line because their employers could not afford to pay them the new minimum wage? Whose fault is that?

      • DaveMed

        As far as the economics go, I agree with you. But economics don’t determine elections; perceptions do.

        • Norseman

          Very true. In politics it is often very important to be seen doing something to improve things in order to foster the image of the leader who masters all the issues. Very often these actions have damaging results.

    • If those running the GOP had any brains, foresight and honesty about who they really work for, they would have been listening to the White majority a long time ago. Put a well-spoken and rational racialist out there who speaks directly to the White populace, you’ll get the voting equivalent of White Flight on steroids. There’s no real divergence in the kind of politicians that are allowed to be put out for mass consumption. Democrats are simply Republicans in drag. So, in fact, the GOP actually does have brains, because the strings controlling them are being pulled by the same group of globalists and corporate vampires that win no matter what version of Democracy Inc. is put in power.

      • Exactly. It’s incredible that people still buy into the patently false idea that the Republicans and Democrats are different, when in fact they both serve the same corporate globalist masters. Even here, on a site populated mostly by realists, we have people urgently telling us that it matters which NWO stooge is occupying an office in Sodom on the Potomac.

        Drop your blinkers and look around. There is no difference and hasn’t been for a long time. Whoever wins, we lose. Voting is not going to get us out of this disaster.

        • Singh1699

          Prayer/knowledge in my religion:

          Weapons are the road to rule, he who does not adorn them will never be successful. (Think that translation)
          Power (rule) is never given, it is only ever subdued by one’s strength.
          – Guru Gobind Singh

    • You have to make a lot more than the MW to be in the middle class.

      MW is one of those “mile wide inch deep” issues. Most people would vote to increase it, but it’s not a great turnout driver.

      On the other side of the ledger, ObamaDontCare.

    • RisingReich

      IF they had any brains, they’d take Coulter’s advice and immediately put a moratorium on LEGAL and ILLEGAL (should ALWAYS have one on ILLEGAL) immigration, until economics raises the wages.

      Facts and reality bees nincompasionate, ebil, an raycis though.

      • antiquesunlight

        Yes, Coulter’s point is exactly right and should become the Republican mantra. But it won’t.

        • JohnEngelman

          Don’t be surprised. The business community wants more immigrants so they can lower wages.

          • RisingReich

            I wonder what kind of “business” they envision during the civil war they are provoking?

          • Sick of it

            They’ve been in the arms business for generations. As well as supporting industries.

    • willbest

      If you care about the min. wage, you aren’t middle class.

    • WR_the_realist

      Flooding the country with more immigrants while at the same time raising the minimum wage will simply result in even more unemployment. So more people will be on unemployment benefits, a core base for Democrats. I have to admit there’s an evil genius behind the Democrats’ strategy.

  • dd121

    Everybody just settle down. Neither dems nor repubs are going to appeal to the interests of white people. Now get back to the game.

    • I wish they’d just go ahead and merge.

  • What’s this all about?

    It’s probably just a Hail Mary heave to the end zone on the part of a desperate political party sensing disaster later this year.

    But I think there’s something more fundamental going on.

    Hatred and contempt of white men is the KKKrazy Glue which keeps the oddball Star Wars bar scene Democrat-left coalition together, when upon first glance it seems like it has no business existing. So after building their party and their half of the political spectrum on hatred of white men (*), and celebrating their impending date of ultimate demographic dispossession in the near future, why do they suddenly want them back?

    Because: As 2008 and 2012 proved, the Democrat/left can win the Presidency and enough Senate seats to have control of the Senate based on turning out anyone-but-traditional-white-bread-America and dampening turnout of enough people that are part of traditional white bread America to eke out victories. But they are not going to be able to accumulate permanent comfortable political hegemony any time soon without having enough white men to vote for them. As we know, once you get outside of Democrat-left enclaves and outside of Presidential election years, white men (*) have a lot more political leverage.

    The problem for the people wielding this strategy is that the more white men you attract, the more it’s going to turn off the Democrats’ kook base.

    (*) – When I use “white men” here, I don’t mean just white men, I include married white women in the mix.

    • DaveMed

      Exactly. I don’t see why they’d rush to incorporate White people, when everybody knows that, within a couple of election cycles, our votes will be irrelevant anyway.

  • TheAntidote

    Well, I thought that Joe Biden was the secret weapon that was going to bring in millions of blue collar males. They said he’s a regular guy-Joe Sixpack with whom the mechanics, roofers and tile layers could identify.
    MW ain’t going to get these guys excited. Starting pay in the trades is about $17.50.

    • How many Joe Sixpacks get elected to the United States Senate at the age of 29, stay there for more than a third of a century, then move on up to the Vice-Presidency?

      • connorhus

        How many Average Joes support biased gender discrimination and automatic go to jail cards for every man a woman accuses of looking at her wrong?

        Those politicians like Joe Biteme are about to learn a hard lesson whent hey are thrown out of their own party.

  • dave

    Neither party could care less about the interest of the white race.

    • Or the interest of the country.

  • Puggg

    White men didn’t “get away,” they were driven out of that party.

  • Spartacus

    Both parties are exactly the same, the differences are strictly cosmetic . You need a Golden Dawn – style movement, and from there – secession . Anything else is just bull .

    • Romulus

      Yes, my friend, that is exactly correct. Bought and paid for by that teeny minority that is now writing the talking points for fox news during prime time.
      The only difference is which way the money and the votes flow and who pays for it all. The white working/middle class.
      The unbelievable BSHT propaganda now spewing from the right over the ukraine is proof positive. Not to mention Boner’s immigration support.
      What worries me deeply, is that as more WN’s move right(believing it to be the party of their interests)they instead will be used for the final crusade for the neo-con/progressive/zionists. I would hope that not a SWM dies for “THEM” ever again.

      Lastly, it is obvious to me that Q***rs would vote democratic. The left is far more secular. IMO, i dont even consider them to be men.

  • SoulInvictus

    Woohoo… I’ve been blacklisted from commenting at AlterNet for attempting to discuss liberty as prescribed in the Constitution.
    Outstanding, and I’m sure they don’t even see the irony.

    • Alexandra1973

      You must have violated someone’s comfort zone.

      • SoulInvictus

        I’ve made much more incendiary comments on there that were allowed.
        This time I found out what their third rail is, anything detracting from “gay rights”. Didn’t even criticize gays, mainly just said nothing good usually comes from expanding the role of the Feds into state issues.
        Primarily criticized the Feds, but apparently that was too much for them to bear lol…
        Oh, and I contradicted their article’s narrative about the hateful ignorance of Christians, can’t have that either apparently.

  • Peter Connor

    White males, discriminated against and demonized by the Democrats at every turn, are being recruited. Stockholm Syndrome at its finest.

    • Corto

      I wish one of them would talk to me. I have a lot to say to them.

  • connorhus

    YA look at those numbers in the article again gentlemen. Then you decide if your wife is telling you the truth next time an Obummer type wins an election.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Democrats are hoping to enslave more White male voters for the mid-term elections.

    And, they’ve got a LONG way to go: Democrats have spent the past 4 decades waging war on White males, vilifying them and using them as an example of the height of evil to scare and pander to non-whites.

    NOW they ask for their votes?

    Since the Dems have made themselves the party of gays, anti-Whites, radicals, men-hating feminists, whacko Greens, and other assorted self-identifying victim groups, I’d say…

    good luck with that!

    • SFLBIB

      You got that one right !!!

      Although I’d change the cartoon to read, “It’s my right to force other people to pay for my ______ [fill in] _______ .”

  • Hal K

    Definitions are important here. They are internally discussing how to get white male votes, but they are not engaging in white identity politics. That would mean talking publicly about what is in the interests of white men, specifically identified as such. Publicly they will only lump white males in with everyone else. This is what the GOP does too.

    • DieWulfe

      “That would mean talking publicly about what is in the interests of white men, specifically identified as such.”

      It means the end of their political careers, but there’s safety in numbers, sort of, if they all stuck together. Being called ‘racist,’ to them is the end of the Republican Party. They just can’t see it. It’s already dead.

  • Nancy Thomas

    They hate us, and everything they do is anti-white.

  • John R

    Any White male that would vote Democrat now, is either stupid, or just has a death wish.

    • SoulInvictus

      As long as the Repubs continue an anti-environmental and anti-labor/anti-poor stance, this trend will continue. Those two things alienate way too many of our own to the other side and I can understand why. (That and getting drawn in on social issue debates that are futile death traps).
      If they went all in on a clean planet (just leave the climate change issue alone and address pollution) and pro-American worker agenda, then they could gather massive support on more important issues like immigration, overpopulation, and entitlements.

  • Dave4088

    White men need to organize and demand an end to all affirmative action in higher education and employment as we’ve suffered “disparate impact” from it. But fat chance getting Communist Party USA and their fans in the Republican party to act on this.

    Our two party elective despotism is a complete sham which serves only the filthy rich and the Jewish, black and brown race lobbies.

  • Garrett Brown

    They aren’t really trying to cater to white men. Try love the demographic/gender voting records as they are now. Why? How to press genocide on whites in their own countries; divide the sexes by any beliefs possible, both political and social. If the majority of white women remain democrat and the majority of white men remain republican, less white babies to be had.

  • willbest

    White men don’t care about min. wage. The last time most white men worked min. wage was when they were 16 and just getting their first job. Now single moms in make work jobs do make min. wage. So this is just another issue for their core base that they are trying to repackage

    Oh and if you raise the min. wage to $12/hr Juanita is just going to be that much cheaper at cleaning houses and Jose that much cheaper to pick strawberries.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Maybe white men and women care about minimum wage for their kids sake?

      • willbest

        You mean so that they don’t get hired until they are 20 because a 16 year old with no work experience isn’t worth paying $12/hr?

        Min. wage jobs suck, but its a temporary situation for anybody with a 75+ IQ and a decent work ethic.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Well, when a 16 year old with no experience was paid the minimum wage in 1975, which was $2.31 an hour, it was the equivalent of $12 today. Why should today’s 16 year olds with no experience be treated with less dignity?

          • willbest

            Because we have imported 30 million people that don’t belong here and that drives down the price of labor.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            That should be part of the equation, no doubt. Minimum wage, when America existed, was intended for 16 year old kids, not trespassers –agreed.

  • WR_the_realist

    If you’re a Democratic politician you don’t just want to take away the guns of working class whites. You want to take away their jobs. You want to flood the country with even more immigrants to do that. And you want blacks, Hispanics, women, and homosexuals to have his job if an immigrant doesn’t take it. The Republicans have never given working class white men a reason to vote for them. But Democrats have given working class white men all sorts of reasons to vote against them.

    • Malgus

      WR

      With very few exceptions, I figure both Repubs and Dems have sold us out.

      The Dems are not only encouraging this country to be flooded with illegal infiltrators, they are aiding and abetting it by opposing deportations and also opposing having that wall built on our southern border. They’re buying the loyalty of the illegals with free shyte (paid for by Joe Whitey Taxpayer), and if they can get them amnestied, it represents a huge generational voting block for them…

      The Repubs are just as bad. They’re not aiding and abetting as badly as the Dems are, but they sure aren’t acting in our best interest. To them, the illegals represent low-paid grunt labor which will translate to bigger profits for them and their buddies. They don’t give a crap about Joe Whitey Taxpayer. Too bad it will blow back in their faces once the illegals get amnesty… no way in hell will a bazillion mestizos vote Republican. Never. Gonna. Happen.

      • WR_the_realist

        I’d say about one third of the Republicans are in favor of illegal alien amnesty and increasing immigration, one third are dead set against it, and one third are waiting to decide which side has the highest bidder. That’s a rotten record, but still vastly better than the Democrats’ absolute advocacy of illegal immigration and increasing legal immigration.

        • Malgus

          The US government has very few specific duties it must perform spelled out for it in the constitution.

          One of those very few specific duties it MUST perform is protecting our borders.

          Not only is Congress NOT doing that, they are actively working against it, which to me is bald-faced treason.

          I have no desire to lock up the majority of Congress. However, there is a Marine Detachment in Mordor who would gladly oblige us the use of their rifle range if we asked them nicely…

  • Malgus

    ““It’s a bad stigma: If you’re a Democrat, you’re against guns,” said
    State Representative Scott Dianda, a Democrat in Michigan’s Upper
    Peninsula. He is quick to say he is a hunter.”

    A ‘hunter’ huh? Whooptie shyte… too bad for him the IIA has Jack and Shyte to do with “hunting”, and Jack just left town…

    The IIA was put there, on purpose, so that “the people” (hey, remember them?) would be able to fight back against a tyrannical government. It doesn’t have anything at all to do with “hunting” or target shooting or self-defense or even the Olympics… although those are nice side effects.

    Just goes to show the breath-taking disconnect between leftist slime and those who are not leftist slime… the only ones who vote Democrap are sub-85 IQ zealots who don’t question the party line or have even the faintest clue about history or the Constitution.

    I’m not a “republican”. I’m a conservative with some libertarian leanings and a strict constructionist. That said, I would rather have my teeth drilled than vote Democrap… matter of fact, you can extend that to having my kneecaps drilled with a spade bit rather than vote for leftist slime…

    “Bitter clinger”? Damn right I am…

  • Petronius

    “Democrats generally win … four in 10 white men.”

    How in the Sam Hill are they getting those four?

    Have 40 percent of us lost the will-to-live?

    Or perhaps it depends on the definition of “white men.”

  • Truth Teller

    So White men care more about guns than the fact that just about illegal to hire or promote them? Even the military is turning into just another no Whites need apply agency.
    I know White men who are totally against the Democrats because of affirmative action and the horrors of working with blacks. I don’t think any of them have ever owned a gun in their lives except those who were in the military.
    What is wrong with Whites?

    • Garrett Brown

      “than the fact that just about illegal to hire or promote them?”

      English please.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        She’s tired. I like some of her stuff. She had a unique glimpse of the coup, as did I inside a federal contractor before the Marxists purged me. America is indeed over. European America doesn’t realize they’re looking at a shell. They don’t see the vast network of termite holes TT and I witnessed.

        Western European America will be the boiling frog.

        theconservativetreehouseDOTcom/2013/07/23/cultural-marxists-the-barely-visible-termites-destroying-from-within/

        • Garrett Brown

          She is anti white and doesn’t care who immigrates here as long as they’re Arab Christians.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Is that why here English is broken?
            She hails from a little too far east?

          • Garrett Brown

            Not sure. I didn’t even know it was a she.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I may have Truth Teller confused with TruthSeeker, sorry.
            They should get avatars. Ahem (he said without pointing).

  • Snakes on a Car

    The Democrats are actually trying to win. I wonder if the Republicans are ever going to try that.

  • Truth Teller

    We are sure getting into a discussion of WW2. The problem with WW2 is that the communists, both in Russia, China and the USA and Britain won the war. Russia remained a communist gulag. China, central and eastern Europe were also turned into a communist gulag. The communists in America just took a little longer to take over than Russia did back between 1945 and 1948.
    Think back 200 years. Think about what White working class achieved for themselves and White women and children. They created the unions, safe working conditions, decent pay, training and apprenticeships. And it was the ordinary working class men who invented many of the machines, tools and techniques of the industrial revolution.
    In the 19th and first half of the 20th century White men fought the elites with no help from the great foundations. Now the elites have conquered them with affirmative action for anything but White men.
    I do my best to help White men. I have a lot of medical problems and refuse to use any Dr. but a White American man. My accountant and attorney are White men. They are not easy to find. My Dr. is the only man in his practice. There are 9 of them all the others are women.
    I’m glad I am not a landlord anymore. When I was I always used White men but it was difficult finding them.
    WW1 and 2 were disasters for Whites because they unleashed the communists on the world. The communists have since morphed into anti White racists. They want us dead
    just as they killed their opponents in Russia after 1917 and in E.and C. Europe in the late 1940’s
    Communists in 1914 When we take over we will kill all the bourgeois.
    Communists in 2014 When we take over we will kill all the Whites.

    • Cid Campeador

      Not if we kill them first.
      THe NEW GOLDEN RULE: “Doeth unto others BEFORE they doeth unto THEE.”

    • Long Live Dixie

      The communists have since morphed into anti White racists.

      We don’t often agree, but here you hit the nail on the head.

      Right-wingers often get way too bogged down in exposing the enemy as communists. Today’s enemies are not communists in the traditional understanding of communism. They have left communism. They have changed hats, so to speak. 60 years ago they would have worn the communist hat. Now they wear the “anti-racist” hat. The end game is the same – the destruction of nations and races – now they just a different way of going about it. At some point in the future, they may change hats again to something else that suits the particular time and place.

      • This is why many use the term open-borders ‘Multicultural Marxists’

    • John

      You’ve been more fortunate than I in finding doctors then. I had to have hernia surgery last summer and there wasn’t a single white Dr. specializing in general surgery in the hospital system that I patronize. All Jews with a few Indians. Had to go with the Jew. At least he was born and educated here.

      • DieWulfe

        “Had to go with the Jew.”
        And make far fewer errors than Indians.

  • Singh1699

    Wow

  • Cid Campeador

    The Soviets actually broke the back of the Wehrmacht.

    • John

      Actually, it was bad luck, bad weather and lack of fuel that defeated the Germans. Also, I’m not positive but I believe most of the fighting in the USSR was done by the SS. Historical fact; at its peak the SS had 1,000,000 men under arms. 600,000 of them were not German. Certainly, the Soviets broke the back of the then predominantly white American taxpayer. We underwrote and/or subsidized most of their rearming.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      At the cost of an entire generation of men dead.

  • MBlanc46

    White men mostly know that the Dems mean them no good. And the enemy of their enemy isn’t necessarily their friend. The majority of white women are probably lost to the Dems because the Dems claim to support what most women consider their interests.

    • Cid Campeador

      Yes. Birth control and abortion while the Demonocrats champion the cause of the very minority who rape and murder them.

    • Peter Connor

      And the penalty for that stupidity is going to be horrific.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      The white woman in particular will go down in post-American history as having been Lenin’s ‘useful idiot’.

  • Cid Campeador

    Democrats wooing White people” Hypocritical Bastards! May they go straight to Hell with a RINO under each arm.

  • rentslave

    Democrats have nothing to offer taxpayers.That’s why white men won’t vote for them.Plus,they won’t let white men bet on sports.

    • John

      Shame on you. You actually watch and bet on the shenanigans of those in the “N….Felon League?

  • This is the way the I see the Democratic Party:

    • Katherine McChesney

      Just like blacks. Always looking for a free ride.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Stupid white Repubs would say they are “natural conservatives.” The white man is is own worst enemy.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Would you be speaking of natural law conservative?

  • Evette Coutier

    White men should take back the democratic party, not the other way around.

  • Garrett Brown

    He’s allowing his already controlled areas to be taken over by Muslims though.

  • Truth Teller

    Dave 4088
    White men did fight affirmative action. They lost. Weber was an ordinary steel millworker who sued against Kaiser’s eliminating the exam for foremen. The federal court ruled that there was no reason for a steel mill foreman to have a high school degree or be able to read, write or do simple math.
    Both Kennedy, LBJ and Kennedy’s brother tried to eliminate any qualifications including the ability to read and write for apprenticeships in a variety of occupations. The unions fought them off, but in the early 1970’s Nixon defeated the unions with the Philadelphia plan and ordered the EEOC to eliminae any apprenticeship and qualification tests.
    Here is a conversation between an Ohio union official and Robert Kennedy when Kennedy was attorney general. Union official ‘We give the test every 3 years. We send notices to all the high schools, the junior colleges and the unemployment offices. We put ads in the papers every weekend for a month including the negro papers. But we can’t take a boy who can’t read and write. We can’t take a boy who can’t add and subtract fractions or do simple measures.”
    Kennedy told him that if the union did not take black boys who could not read, write or do simple measures The union would be sued for violation of civil rights of blacks.
    Ordinary White policemen and fireman have done the most fighting against affirmative action. They mostly lose in the courts. When they win, their agencies often go ahead and discriminate against White males in hiring and promoting.
    Prop 209 was a California proposition against the use of affirmative action in goverment hiring and state college applications. It has been pretty much ignored. The goverment agencies have eliminated the tests and use the interview to hire and promote.
    The colleges use weighting. The poor, poor, pitiful me essay is given more points than grades and SATs combined.
    Often somewhat lesser qualified Asians were accepted instead of better qualified Whites instead of totally unqualified blacks and Hispanics.
    Of course Prop 209 does not prevent the professors including the White men from giving White male students worse grades than they deserve and blacks better grades than they deserve.
    Discrimination against White men has been going for 60 years. White men fought but lost.
    Unless a pro White party comes along, I don’t think anything will change. Even if we did manage to elect a pro White President, Senate and Congress the Judiciary, DOJ, EEOC and all the departments would still be against us.
    From Brown vs Topeka, through affirmative action the most effective and powerful enemy of Whites has been he Judiciary.
    I once sent a 50 page package of information regarding the discrimination against White women who scored over 90 in the foreign service exam. I used the FOIA and a contact in the state department HR. Black women who took the exam were just given enough points to pass. White men had enough points subtracted from heir scores to fail. White women who scored over 90 were classified as White men and 30 points were subtracted from their scores. I had documents proving that black women who scored 35 out of a possible 100 points were being hired instead of Whites who scored 95 out of 100 possible points.
    The “raw score” was the original score, 35 for a black woman, 90 for a White. The “weighted score” was what resulted after points had been subtracted from a White score to bring it down to 69 or failing. 50 or more points were added to the scores of blacks to bring them up to passing.
    The state department did this because of a 1977 federal court ruling that the state department had to hire at least 50 percent women and a large percent of minorities. So they hired black women as double affirmative action beneficiaries.
    The foreign service officer is a diplomat. It is not a DMV clerk. It is an important job that requires someone of high caliber. It also requires proficiency in at least one foreign language. But since about 1980 the state has been hiring illiterate blacks. They have also allowed blacks to avoid the foreign language proficiency requirement by letting then just take classes in the language for their entire careers. They are trying you see.
    Senator Jesse Helms was considered a very powerful and important conservative leader.
    He was also the chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee. That’s why I sent the package to him hoping something would be done to at least expose the low caliber of the black foreign service officers being hired..
    All that happened was that I got a letter “Thank you for your interest. I have sent the letter to the state department.
    My effort was for nothing. But even had the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee tried to reinstate the old merit exam system it would have been useless.
    Because the discrimination against Whites was ordered by federal judges and the judges rule, not the president, not senators, not legislatures.

    • Singh1699

      Disgusting.

    • Jesse James

      I wish more whites understood how bad the government agencies at all levels are riddled with incompetent, hostile non-whites. You are correct TT that even if we had a pro-white legislature and chief executive we would still be up against an immense anti-white Federal bureaucracy. For whites still working civil service jobs the environment is both oppressive and demoralizing.. It is also increasingly difficult to get these government workers to even comply with their own regulations. Often they don’t even know them or how to look them up and they get furious when you try to explain what certain regulations mean. Once trying to get a dependent ID updated for a college attending child who was out of state I had the same office tell me three completely different things regarding what type of documentation and process I needed to complete. They laughed in my face when I finally got frustrated with their inefficiency and straight out lies about what they had told me. I finally got it worked out but I had to deal with a white person in Utah – who of course had a fourth set of criteria. We are working our way down to a post-colonial India style bureaucracy. Any cut to a government agency and any reduction in the size and power of the Federal government is a win for white taxpayers.

      • Singh1699

        Dam, white civil servants are bad enough in Canada. I’d cringe if they came from the ‘hood’.

  • Truth Teller

    The conservative coalition is just as much a star wars cantina as the liberals. I refuse to be called a conservative. I am a White nationalist. But conservatives are a weird coalition.
    Anti gay, anti porn, anti abortion, pro old testament Christianity, pro gun people who are also extremely pro Jewish and pro Zionist Israel right or wrong. One assumes they don’t want to know who has shoved abortion, porn, and gay marriage on the country. They object to the elimination of the very word Christmas but refuse to recognize who is behind the “don’t use the word Christmas because it offends Jews.. They fought the ACLU regarding the outlawing of nativity scenes but refuse to admit who the funders and attorneys for ACLU are. They want to be hard on crime but will not admit Jews have been pushing soft on crime laws and court rulings for a century.

    • DieWulfe

      Not sure most know Jews are behind it. Not covered by MSM. No reason to look up Jews or White genocide on the internet unless there’s something to trigger an interest?

      It was the 2010 Census…Whites declining that peaked my interest. Links led me to the horrible truth.
      .

    • NoMosqueHere

      I am one of those pro gun, anti abortion, anti immigration, pro Israel (right or wrong) conservatives. I don’t give a damn if the jews are offended by Christmas, but if the muslims are successful in destroying or seriously harming Israel, they will be emboldened to take over the entire world; and that would be the end of the world. Period. And you nazis have no solutions. You are evil, genocidal maniacs, worse than the blacks by far. You almost completely destroyed Germany, which was a great nation, and tarnished its reputation forever. My family came from Germany, so I know what they went through. Eff you

      • Long Live Dixie

        Israel is no obstacle to Islamic conquest of the West. The Islamists are conquering the West, and with Israel’s approval! If anyone puts a stop to the invasion, it will be Europeans themselves – and Israel and Zionist America will fight them every step of the way – look at how Israel condemned the moderate anti-immigration politician Haider of Austria in the 1990s or how they demand the eradication of Greece’s Golden Dawn today.

        Secondly, it is preposterous to blame the destruction of Germany on National-Socialists rather than on the blood thirsty Western Allies who sent bombers over German cities day and night or on the Soviet hordes who raped and pillaged their way through eastern and central Europe.

        Being pro-Israel automatically means being anti-white. Israel has nuclear missiles that can reach every single European capital. It is a serious threat to a nationalist revival in Europe.

        • John

          “Israel is no obstacle…..”. Funny how history repeats itself. If you get down into the nuts and bolts of what the Talmud (their operations manual) teaches, you’ll realize there is more approval by Judaism for Islam than there ever was or will be for Christianity. Christians are considered to be “idolaters”, Moslems aren’t. YouTube and do a search for “when Israel is mighty”. Watch with shock, then disgust. Straight from the horses mouth so to speak. Vids’ had 17,000 views in the last year but it needs about 100 times that for an impact. Historical note; Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 unless they converted. Reason being, collaboration with the “Moors” during their conquest and occupation.

          • Romulus

            That is why you’ll read my favorite moniker I have for them!
            Allah’s Cousins !!!!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            The Talmud is an incredible hate metric.

          • John

            Got it in 1. I suggest everyone read Hoffman’s “Judaism Strange Gods”. Or go to YouTube and search for “when Israel is mighty”. 15 interview will amaze and disgust even the most staunch Christian Zionist.

      • Singh1699

        Lol, muslims can’t fight see battle of chamkaur.

        Or longewal, saragarhi, bluestar, muktsar, etc.

        They can’t take over their own pile of doodoo. They have any relevance at all, simply due to sitting on oil.
        20 years ago an Arab got an orange as a wedding gift. They sit in deserts, wearing sandals, sagging their cousins.

      • JohnEngelman

        Thank you.

    • Mike

      The fact that a lot of conservatives are gung ho supporters of wars for Israel is a big problem. We have to bring them away from that and get them back into being non-interventionist American (white) nationalists again.

  • DelmarJackson

    As a white male Democrat, who thinks ending illegal immigration and having a moratorium on legal immigration is our most important issue, I don’t see a lot of reasons to join the GOP.
    Except for Jeff sessions and a handful of others, there is no one in the GOP that is not the answer to the open border cheap labor lobby globalists prayers.
    Jeb Bush- our next Mexican president.
    Rand Paul, thinks making America a bilingual country is a great idea and is the most shallow thinker on immigration of any candidate.
    Rubio- , we got trouble, right here in River City.
    Gov Perry, lets have a big ol Texas size amnesty and worry about enforcement after I am dead.
    Barbour, Pawlenty, Jindal, Haley, Huckabee, Ryan,- all on the side of the US chamber of commerce and open border globalists. Even Cruz is unwilling to reveal any position on making e verify mandatory, ending anchor babies, cutting off jobs and benefits, encouraging self deportation, jailing employers of illegals.
    even saran Palin, who I like a lot, never made the connection on immigration. In fact, Michelle Bachman was the only candidate besides Romney who seemed to understand immigration, and Romney was only talking about self deportation for 24 hours ad then he was sent on a plane to Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelsons ring and he never talked about immigration again.
    if we don’t end illegal immigration and have a moratorium on legal immigration, everything the people on this site and in the GOP, and to be truthful, in the democrat party claim to care about will become irrelevant in the near future. Immigration will permanently and fundamentally change our country socially, economically and environmentally in an irreversible fashion.

    • WR_the_realist

      Yes, you can make a long list of Republican “leaders” who favor open borders and more immigration. But If I were to make a list of all congressmen opposed to illegal immigration and higher immigration in they would all be Republican. Unfortunately the list would be short. Every Democrat in national government favors illegal immigration and higher legal immigration. Every one.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        That’s right. There are no “choices”, only lessers of evils.

        Delmar reeks of a passive shill/troll. First of all, what self-respecting (hetero) white male would admit to being a Demo-rat? Delmar is either gay, in a union, or a high yellow black wishing he were white.

    • Mike

      As a white male Democrat you’re out of your mind. That party is against us in every way, not just on immigration.

      • DelmarJackson

        lets reduce immigration first, then argue about political parties.

  • Epiminondas

    Irony writ large.

  • Dr. Möbias

    How would the U.S. like it if Russia were interfering with the affairs of Canada? Ukraine is on Putin’s doorstep and he is aware that theU.S. is meddling in its affairs and that Soros & Brzezinski are behind the violent, pro-EU uprising.

    It was only after Yanukovich halted the process of joining the Globalist European Union that he suddenly became an enemy of America. Putin has been ridiculed for his “tough guy schtick” and for “slouching like a bored kid.”

    Putin said NO to the EU, NWO one-wolders, doesn’t want NATO missiles deployed on his doorstep and is being vilified as a dog-killer (remember, Obama was a dog-eater), Hitler, Stalin, etc. for wanting to protect his people and homeland.

  • Spartacus

    Because America is the main empire of the moment, and what happens there affects me whether I like it or not .

  • Dr. Möbias

    The BBC showed that? That’s a first. The targeted attack on the USS Liberty has been thoroughly covered up.

  • benvad

    Leave us alone.

  • Truth Teller

    The Russians got a lot more than war material from Roosevelt and his commie administration. They got tens of thousands of tractors, disks, harrows, plows, milking machines harvesting combines, reapers, and every sort of farm equipment. Roosevelt also sent them massive amounts of other items that had no military use whatsoever.
    Some of the military supplies were used to destroy the non communist leader ship in Eastern Europe between 1945 and 1948.
    I am both anti Nazi and anti communist. The Nazis only lasted 12 years, but the communists go on forever and Whites are their present target.
    The sensible Europeans and Americans said let the 2 evil empires destroy each other. But the tribe destroyed the sensible people in England and America and set up the war so the communists could spread over the world.

    • John

      Read “Hellstorm” by Goodrich and “the Bad War” at the tomatobubble*dot*com website to get yourself somewhat free of the last 70 years of postwar propaganda about the “Nazis” and WWII that the tribe has been spewing. That said, thanks to my father’s military assignment to be a military liaison officer in Berlin from 1962 to ’65 I’m fortunate to have seen, in our weekend family excursions to Potsdam in the heart of Communist East Germany, just how morbid life can be in a totalitarian society. It’s not pretty and I’ve been a lifelong staunch anti communist as a result.

  • Truth Teller

    France lost one third of its male population in WW1. That is not one third of its 18 to 45 military age population, that is one third of the total male population from new born babies to the oldest
    Yet the tribe constantly vilifies France for not invading Germany in 1937. Latest propaganda is that France and England were “equally culpable with Germany” in the holofraud.
    England was full of Russian and other Eastern European immigrants during WW1. As non citizen “refugees” they were not subject to the draft. But they could have certainly enlisted.
    But they refused to enlist while thousands of English men were killed in just one day in some of the battles. Mentioning the tens of thousands of alien immigrant Jews refusing to enlist was of course deemed anti semitic.

    • John

      The tribe vilifies everyone for not helping enough. Question is what did they do to help themselves? Seems like the only possible answer is nothing. If one has a revisionist take on the history of the 20th century however, as I do, as this whining about those that didn’t help enough to “stop” or whatever the holohoax is simply a smokescreen to engender guilt and sidetrack the obvious questions their contemporaneous and historical bad behavior raise.

  • Truth Teller

    At least Roosevelt and his wife were committed ideological communists. Churchill on the other hand was pro Russian and pro Zionist for money and the glory of being a great war time leader. When the labor party turned him out of office in 1945 in a landslide, he got what he deserved. He made a mysterious fortune during the 1930’s when he constantly preached war with Germany.
    At the time of the Bolshevik revolution and for a few years afterwards he was extremely anti communist. He quickly changed his tune as soon as the tribe declared war and boycotts on Germany in 1933.
    Reading the history written by Churchill and his admirers one would think he was both fighting in person on the front lines while leading the nation from London at the same time.

  • Truth Teller

    Alexandra 1973
    “The Jesuits created both communists and the Nazis” Do you also post under the name of Katherine McChesney? What do you call the Catholic Church, scarlet woman of Rome, whore of Babylon, Anti Christ? Do you believe every word of the work of fiction the Da Vinci Code? Do you believe the earth was created by an old man in the sky in 7 days 6, 000 years ago? There are plenty of Jewish, atheist and liberal sites such as Salon where you can find people whose irrational hatred of the Catholic Church equals yours.

    • Evette Coutier

      Actually, much of the dislike of the Catholic church is very rational. The way they convered up priests molesting little boys, their support of illegals and amnesty, and their current relentless support of liberalism in America are just a few noteworthy examples. Not to mention their support of socialism and socialist economic policies.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        This is why I favor Orthodox Christianity, even though I am not a religious man.

  • MarcB1969

    No self-respecting White supports the Democrats once they understand they how they have sold them out to their identity coalitions and now explicitly support Cultural Marxist policies. I can respect Whites voting Republican because they are at least attempting to vote for their self-interest.

    • Mike

      I think supporting and voting for real small government conservatives is in our interest. Of course no political candidate will ever be perfect but one has to look at the big picture and realize how much is at sake. We can’t just sit back and not be involved in politics.

  • Truth Teller

    Long Live Dixie
    I really must apologize for harassing you about the French, German and Moravian descendants in the south. I was just feeling witchy that day. I really wish the southern separatists all the best. I don’t think the blacks will easy to control and civilize.

  • Truth Teller

    AFFRIRMATVE ACTION IN ACTION STORY
    One year December 31 was a payday and our W2s were included that day. So I sent in my income tax return the next week. I had about $600.00 coming back.
    I had not received it by March 1 so I called to inquire. The usual grunting black sow answered. Before I finished she snarled “call back in 2 weeks” and hung up. So I called back in 2 weeks and got the same reply. I kept calling, always black sows who told me to call back and hung up. In June I read in the paper that the IRS would mail out the last of the tax returns June 6. When it had not arrived by the middle of June I made another call and got the same “call black in 2 weeks” by a black women who could barely speak understandable English.
    In August I went to a party and was talking with a tax attorney and mentioned the problem. He said they are useless. But there is one IRS office that is reliable that all the accountants and attorneys use. Call me and I’ll give you the number.
    So I called that 800 IRS number. A White man answered typed on his computer and told me that the return was mailed out the last week of January and returned as wrong address. I got the return 3 days later. I could hear him typing.
    The post office returned it to the IRS stamped not at this address. But I had lived at that address for 14 years. More black disfunction.
    From March through July I called the IRS and none of the black sows even bothered to type in my name. I did ask the White man where his office was located. Utah probably he was a Mormon. But had I not meet that tax attorney, I would never had discovered the one White male functional IRS office.
    One of my sisters told me about a friend who applied for that job of answering IRS questions. She went to one of those huge federal buildings occupying one whole block.
    The entire floor was open plan. Every single worker and the supervisor were black women. Needless to say she did not get the job.
    That spawn of satan Justice Brennan’s excuse for affirmative action was “disproportionate representation is in and of itself clear and present evidence of discrimination.” So why is 100 percent black female in a country that is only 7 percent black female not disproportionate representation?
    I used to have a blog Affirmative Action in Action, but it did no good. It was not worth the electricity to run the computer or the chipped nail polish from typing. Nothing any White has done since 1964 has slowed down the process let alone reversed it.

    • emiledurk16

      The disproportionate hiring of blacks in state and federal governments is clearly to get the black vote. The dysfunctional state, in which I have the misfortune to reside, is light-years in arrears of processing their work. 3 out of every 5 workers are obese, black, female workers who cannot operate the copy machines.
      The agencies occupying these under qualified workers are the welfare dept. (euphuism: Transitional Assistance..LOL) and the state “Health Care” dept.
      The majority of these workers’ days are used for setting up the kitchen area for so and so’s new kid arrival, “diversity lunch day…hurl”, and any other reason under the sun to not be at their desk. Not that being at their desk constitutes legitimate work.
      If this were private business it would’ve went under years ago. Sad.

    • WR_the_realist

      The growth in the black middle class is due largely to highly disproportionate hiring of blacks in government. Black people know this. That is why the Republicans will never claw the vast majority of blacks away from the Democratic Party. That is also why our government just fails to work so much of the time.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Yeah, that’s the standard entitled attitude at defense contractors, too. The Diversity Darlings sit around instant messaging each other while the skeleton crew of white boys do all the work. Until they are purged for a new skeleton crew of white boys, usually because of an acquisition, or a consolidation.

  • Truth Teller

    Long Live Dixie
    Israel has informed every European government the missiles are aimed at that if Israel is ever seriously threatened by Arabs and Iran those missiles will fly at the European capitals i
    if the Europeans do not immediately come to Israel’s aid when ordered.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      If I was the president of Russia, France or England, I would target their cities and nuclear power plants for immediate counter-attack if they attack my country with nuclear weapons. They start a nuclear war, I’d turn that troublesome patch of sand into a glowing parking lot, and that would just be the first set of targets that will be destroyed by dozens of surface and airbursts. NO city in Israel will be left after the first are exploded in space to blanket them in a devastating EMP barrage.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      I’m sure Russia had enough TOPOL, Sineva and Bulava missiles aimed at Israel to make that a very stupid threat, with more than enough left over to level New York, Washington and all of their other strongholds here many times over. Any Israeli nuclear attack against Russia will immediately result in the total destruction of all large U.S. cities and Israel being a green glass crater. These missiles are stuffed with “penaids” to defeat anti-ballistic missile defenses and the re-entry vehicles can change course in flight. That means by the time they slam into the atmosphere, it will be too late to stop them. the TOPOLS carry a single, but very powerful warhead with a blast yield of 800,000 tons of TNT, more than enough to flatten a city and it is accurate enough to take out ANY military target even one that is buried underground. I don’t know what western Europe would do, but Russia will return the favor if attacked with nuclear weapons with nukes of their own.

  • Truth Teller

    NoMosqueteHere
    If your only interests are guns, abortion, immigration and Israel why do you post on this site. Amren is not a catch all conservative site. It is a White survival and race realist site. I have been posting since about 1996. Amren is on many lists of conservative sites. A lot of conservatives are only interested in guns, abortion, porn, and other issues totally and completely useless to the fight for White survival. I’ve noticed that people get our name off a list of conservative sites and start posting about abortion, guns, gays and all the conservative issues. When they finally realize we are a White nationalist and not a catch all conservative site they usually leave.
    Freerepublic is an excellent catch all conservative site. While being very pro White, anti black on White crime and anti affirmative action, it is also pro Zionist and Israel, anti abortion, anti gay, anti vulgar popular culture pro capitalist, pro gun etc.
    If you had Jewish relatives in Hitler’s Germany, you might want to look up Hitler’s affirmative action program for the goyim. First thing he did against the Jews was a few months after he took power, I believe April 1933. He issued an executive order that government agencies were to stop hiring Jews. Next order, government employees health insurance could not be used for Jewish medical providers. About a year later, all Jews who worked for government agencies to be fired. Next to go were Jewish teachers at all levels including part time and substitute teachers.
    The only difference is the wording. Hitler ordered do not hire Jews. Our Judiciary orders hire only non Whites. The effect is the same.
    The only difference between Hitler’s affirmative action for the goyim and the Judiciary and EEOC’s affirmative action for anything but White is the wording.

    • John

      At the end of the day, regardless of the accuracy of the above post, does it make a difference what Hitler “did” to the Jews. And, more importantly, who cares. I don’t. The Jews do. Again, I don’t. They need to keep on milking that “hollowhoax” cash cow for all it’s worth. I just read today the 1000 Jews in Thessaloniki are bringing suit against Germany (now) for what they claim happened during WWII. Which, btw, ended 70 years ago. Their whining never, ever ends and a lot of us are sick of it. Focus on what they’re doing to us for minute. Why is the ADL championing teaching the gay agenda in grade school? Or their involvement in provisioning and training local police departments to become more militarized? What about their involvement in the open borders movement? The list is way beyond the scope of a forum post. So, if I, and others like me are more or less indifferent towards what Hitler “did” to the Jews, now you have a little help as to why. Even if every word of the “hollowhoax” narrative were true as popularly taught today, I still wouldn’t care. If I did, the that would be in effect be like saying that they are in fact special, their suffering was unique, and marginalize the actual 50 million deaths from the war world wide. Millions more were hurt, starved tortured etc. but managed to survive. They and their progeny have moved on. Jews, take a lesson from them if you can.

      • Singh1699

        Exactly if you can’t defend yourself, no one will. Churchill starved millions of bengalis, to deny resources to the Sikhs fighting for hitler who were coming.

  • Truth Teller

    NoMusqueteHere
    I once sat down at the computers in the federal courthouse and made a list of about 800 attorneys on the anti White side of the affirmative action lawsuits. 720 of them had obviously Jewish names. I did not count Becker, Kaufman and names that might or might not be Jewish.
    Whites who are victims of affirmative action need to know how it came about and who did it.

  • dewdly

    White men did not “get away” they were deliberately driven away because they presented a barrier to the liberal schemes of affirmative action, feminism, homosexuality, and third world immigration.

  • Truth Teller

    NoMusqueteHere
    You might want to google Congressional Record 1918 US State Department Report on the Jewish revolution in Russia.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    The Demo-rats are 100% anti-white male.
    It’s their reason for being.
    It’s their brand.

  • negrolocaust

    A BLACK baltimore police officer just beat a 7 month old jack russel
    terrier to death and tossed it in a trash can then sent pictures of it
    to the owner..

    • I saw the story. I’m sure it had something to do with institutionalized racism and nothing to do with poor impulse control. The dog was probably oppressing him.

      • Max

        Those dogs ARE mostly white.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Here’s a message for Democrats from me, “Go take a long walk off a short pier.” You lost me and millions of white men as voters. You turned us into enemies who will plot, and plan and work to avenge what you’ve done to us. Democrats are after all, a proven white genocide party.

    • John

      Bravo. Give this man a cigar.

  • Natassia

    If raising the minimum wage resonates with many white men, then many white men are stupid.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Because when America gets the sniffles, the rest of the world catches a cold.

  • WR_the_realist

    Given that the Green Party is far more socialist than pro-environment, I can imagine quite a few black women would vote for it. I remember watching a debate among the “alternative party” candidates for the presidency. The Green Party candidate promised free college education for everyone, as well of course free health care, without explaining how it would be paid for. Plenty of black women would lap that stuff up.

    There were a few of the more intelligent black women who voted for Ron Paul in the primaries, and Ron Paul never promises free stuff. So there are a few black women who break the mold.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I noticed that, too. The Green Party has been completely co-opted by Feminists. The Left is aggressively co-opting the Libertarians as well.
      They tossed ideological stink bombs into both of those groups.

    • Mike

      Environmentalism actually is more or less a ruse for socialism.

  • WR_the_realist

    I can forgive whites for voting for Obama because the alternatives were McCain and Romney. I never voted for Obama, McCain, or Romney myself. I’ve been reduced to third party candidates only.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    And those you speak of are the Diversity Poodles who freshly graduated from Cultural Marxist University. Fresh recruits of ‘useful idiots’ who have deluded themselves into thinking “…It will never happen to me…”

  • AndrewInterrupted

    You can thank LBJ for that.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    I was over there starting to read the material. I especially like this quote:

    “…The official pitch is that anti-Semitism is nothing more than a psychiatric condition, completely unrelated to Jewish behavior…

  • RationalMalePA

    Once the mid-terms are over, I revert to a sexist, bitter, angry racist. But prior to the mid-terms, I am being woo’ed?!? I guess dems think I don’t have a memory. Though some men invariably vote democratic, many of us do not support a party that prefers us dead.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Indeed, black women who vote democratic aren’t disrespecting their men, but white women who did that are quite the opposite!

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    They would be on the boat being demolished by 650 pounds of high explosives detonating under the keel, because it was torpedoed.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Nay, they’re on the torpedoed ship that was torn in two. I like the first picture even better though.

  • Dr. Möbias

    Here’s an excellent article about Patton’s letters and diary entries:

    httpCOLON//wwwDOTsubvertednationDOTnet/general-patton-discovered-the-truth/