The White Ghetto

Kevin D. Williamson, National Review Online, January 9, 2014

Owsley County, Ky. – There are lots of diversions in the Big White Ghetto, the vast moribund matrix of Wonder Bread–hued Appalachian towns and villages stretching from northern Mississippi to southern New York, a slowly dissipating nebula of poverty and misery with its heart in eastern Kentucky, the last redoubt of the Scots-Irish working class that picked up where African slave labor left off, mining and cropping and sawing the raw materials for a modern American economy that would soon run out of profitable uses for the class of people who 500 years ago would have been known, without any derogation, as peasants. Thinking about the future here and its bleak prospects is not much fun at all, so instead of too much black-minded introspection you have the pills and the dope, the morning beers, the endless scratch-off lotto cards, healing meetings up on the hill, the federally funded ritual of trading cases of food-stamp Pepsi for packs of Kentucky’s Best cigarettes and good old hard currency, tall piles of gas-station nachos, the occasional blast of meth, Narcotics Anonymous meetings, petty crime, the draw, the recreational making and surgical unmaking of teenaged mothers, and death: Life expectancies are short—the typical man here dies well over a decade earlier than does a man in Fairfax County, Va.—and they are getting shorter, women’s life expectancy having declined by nearly 1.1 percent from 1987 to 2007.

If the people here weren’t 98.5 percent white, we’d call it a reservation.

Driving through these hills and hollows, you aren’t in the Appalachia of Elmore Leonard’s Justified or squatting with Lyndon Johnson on Tom Fletcher’s front porch in Martin County, a scene famously photographed by Walter Bennett of Time, the image that launched the so-called War on Poverty. The music isn’t “Shady Grove,” it’s Kanye West. There is still coal mining—which, at $25 an hour or more, provides one of the more desirable occupations outside of government work—but the jobs are moving west, and Harlan County, like many coal-country communities, has lost nearly half of its population over the past 30 years.

There is here a strain of fervid and sometimes apocalyptic Christianity, and visions of the Rapture must have a certain appeal for people who already have been left behind. Like its black urban counterparts, the Big White Ghetto suffers from a whole trainload of social problems, but the most significant among them may be adverse selection: Those who have the required work skills, the academic ability, or the simple desperate native enterprising grit to do so get the hell out as fast as they can, and they have been doing that for decades. As they go, businesses disappear, institutions fall into decline, social networks erode, and there is little or nothing left over for those who remain. It’s a classic economic death spiral: The quality of the available jobs is not enough to keep good workers, and the quality of the available workers is not enough to attract good jobs. These little towns located at remote wide spots in helical mountain roads are hard enough to get to if you have a good reason to be here. If you don’t have a good reason, you aren’t going to think of one.

{snip}

There is not much novelty in Booneville, Ky., the seat of Owsley County, but it does receive a steady trickle of visitors: Its public figures suffer politely through a perverse brand of tourism from journalists and do-gooders every time the U.S. Census data are recalculated and it defends its dubious title as poorest county in these United States. {snip}

{snip}

If you go looking for the catastrophe that laid this area low, you’ll eventually discover a terrifying story: Nothing happened. It’s not like this was a company town in which the business around which life was organized went toes-up. Booneville and Owsley County were never economic powerhouses. {snip} Coal mining was for years a bulwark against utter economic ruination, but regulation, a lengthy permitting process, and other factors both economic and geological pushed what remains of the region’s coal business away toward other communities. After they spend a winter or two driving an hour or two each way over icy twists of unforgiving mountain asphalt, many locals working in the coal business decide it is easier to move to where the work is, leaving Owsley County, where unemployment already is 150 percent of the national average, a little more desperate and collectively jobless than before. It’s possible that a coal worker’s moving from Booneville to Pikeville would lower the median income of both towns.

{snip}

{snip} The employed and upwardly mobile leave, taking their children, their capital, and their habits with them, clean clear of the Big White Ghetto, while the unemployed, the dependent, and the addicted are once again left behind.

{snip}

“Well, you try paying that much for a case of pop,” says the irritated proprietor of a nearby café, who is curt with whoever is on the other end of the telephone but greets customers with the perfect manners that small-town restaurateurs reliably develop. I don’t think much of that overheard remark at the time, but it turns out that the local economy runs on black-market soda the way Baghdad ran on contraband crude during the days of sanctions.

It works like this: Once a month, the debit-card accounts of those receiving what we still call food stamps are credited with a few hundred dollars—about $500 for a family of four, on average—which are immediately converted into a unit of exchange, in this case cases of soda. On the day when accounts are credited, local establishments accepting EBT cards—and all across the Big White Ghetto, “We Accept Food Stamps” is the new E pluribus unum – are swamped with locals using their public benefits to buy cases and cases—reports put the number at 30 to 40 cases for some buyers—of soda. Those cases of soda then either go on to another retailer, who buys them at 50 cents on the dollar, in effect laundering those $500 in monthly benefits into $250 in cash—a considerably worse rate than your typical organized-crime money launderer offers — or else they go into the local black-market economy, where they can be used as currency in such ventures as the dealing of unauthorized prescription painkillers — by “pillbillies,” as they are known at the sympathetic establishments in Florida that do so much business with Kentucky and West Virginia that the relevant interstate bus service is nicknamed the “OxyContin Express.” A woman who is intimately familiar with the local drug economy suggests that the exchange rate between sexual favors and cases of pop—some dealers will accept either—is about 1:1, meaning that the value of a woman in the local prescription-drug economy is about $12.99 at Walmart prices.

{snip}

‘Oh, we’s jes’ pooooor folllllks, we cain’t afford no cornbreaaaaaaad!” So says Booneville police chief Johnny Logsdon, who has an amused glint in his eye and has encountered his share of parachuted-in writers on the poverty beat. A former New York City resident who made his career in the U.S. Navy before following his wife back to her Kentucky home, Chief Logsdon is an outdoorsman and a gifted nature photographer (his work adorns the exterior of the municipal building) who speaks fondly of Staten Island but is clearly in his element in the Kentucky countryside, much of which is arrestingly beautiful.

Chief Logsdon has time to indulge his hobbies because the Big White Ghetto is different from most other ghettos in one very important way: There’s not much violent crime here. There’s a bit of the usual enterprise one finds everywhere there are drugs and poor people, which is to say, everywhere: Police have just broken up a ring of car burglars who had the inspired idea of pulling off their capers during church services, when all the good people were otherwise occupied. (The good people? One victim reported $1,000 in cash missing from the trunk of his car, and I’m putting an asterisk next to his name until I know where that came from.) But even the crime here is pretty well predictable. The chief’s assistant notes that if they know the nature and location of a particular crime, they can more or less drive straight to where the perpetrator, who is likely to be known to them intimately, is to be found. In Owsley County, finally there is a place in which “the usual suspects” is something more than a figure of speech.

There’s a great deal of drug use, welfare fraud, and the like, but the overall crime rate throughout Appalachia is about two-thirds the national average, and the rate of violent crime is half the national average, according to the National Criminal Justice Reference Service. Chief Logsdon is justifiably skeptical of the area’s reputation for drug-fueled crime. But he is not blinkered, and his photos of spectacular autumn foliage and delicate baby birds do not denote a sentimental disposition. “We have loggers and coal producers,” he says, dropping the cornpone accent. “We have educators and local businesses, and people in the arts. And we have the same problems they have in every community.” He points out that the town recently opened up a $1 million public library—a substantial investment for a town in which the value of all residential property combined would not add up to the big lottery jackpot being advertised all over. (Lottery tickets, particularly the scratch-off variety, are ubiquitous here.) He does not deny the severity or scope of the region’s problems, but he does think that they are exaggerated by visitors who are here, after all, only because Owsley holds the national title for poorest county. Owsley’s dependent underclass has many of the same problems as any other dependent underclass; but with a poverty rate persistently at the 40 percent mark—or half again as much poverty as in the Bronx—the underclass plays an outsized role in local life. It is not the exception.

{snip}

And that, too, is part of the problem with adverse selection in the Big White Ghetto: For the smart and enterprising people left behind, life can be very comfortable, with family close, a low cost of living, beautiful scenery, and a very short climb to the top of the social pecking order. The relative ease of life for the well-off and connected here makes it easy to overlook the real unpleasant facts of economic life, which helps explain why Booneville has a lovely new golf course, of all things, but so little in the way of everyday necessities. {snip}

Owsley County had been dry since Prohibition. A close election (632–518) earlier this year changed that, and the local authorities are sorting out the regulatory and licensing issues related to the sale of alcohol. Chief Logsdon thinks that this is, on balance, a good thing, because local prohibition meant that local drunks were on the local roads coming back from bars or liquor stores. “They aren’t waiting until they get home,” he says. “They’re opening the bottle. They’re like kids at Christ­mas.” Obviously, prohibition wasn’t getting the job done. At the same time, the scene in Owsley County might make even the most ardent libertarian think twice about drug legalization: After all, these addicts are hooked on legal drugs–OxyContin and other prescription opioid analgesics—even if they often are obtained illegally. In nearby Whitley County, nearly half of the examined inmates in one recent screening tested positive for buprenorphine, a.k.a. “prison heroin,” a product originally developed as a treatment for opiate addiction. (Such cures are often worse than the disease: Bayer once owned the trademark on heroin, which it marketed as a cure for morphine addiction—it works.) Fewer drunk drivers would be a good thing, but I have to imagine that the local bar, if Booneville ever gets one, is going to be a grim place.

{snip}

This isn’t the Kentucky of Elmore Leonard’s imagination, and there is nothing romantic about it. These are no sons and daughters of Andrew Jackson, no fiercely independent remnants of the old America clinging to their homes and their traditional ways. Having once been downwind of a plate of biscuits and squirrel gravy does not make you Daniel Boone. This is not the land of moonshine and hill lore, but that of families of four clutching $40 worth of lotto scratchers and crushing the springs on their beaten-down Camry while getting dinner from a Phillips 66 station.

This is about “the draw.”

“The draw,” the monthly welfare checks that supplement dependents’ earnings in the black-market Pepsi economy, is poison. It’s a potent enough poison to catch the attention even of such people as those who write for the New York Times. Nicholas Kristof, visiting nearby Jackson, Ky., last year, was shocked by parents who were taking their children out of literacy classes because the possibility of improved academic performance would threaten $700-a-month Social Security disability benefits, which increasingly are paid out for nebulous afflictions such as loosely defined learning disorders. “This is painful for a liberal to admit,” Kristof wrote, “but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in a soul-crushing dependency.”

There is much here to confound conservatives, too. Jim DeMint likes to say that marriage is our best anti-poverty program, and he also has a point. But a 2004 study found that the majority of impoverished households in Appalachia were headed by married couples, not single mothers. Getting and staying married is not a surefire prophylactic against poverty. Neither are prophylactics. Kentucky has a higher teen-motherhood rate than the national average, but not radically so, and its young mothers are more likely to be married. Kentucky is No. 19 in the ranking of states by teen pregnancy rates, but it is No. 8 when it comes to teen birth rates, according to the Guttmacher Institute, its young women being somewhat less savage than most of their counterparts across the country. Kentucky and West Virginia have abortion rates that are one-fourth those of Rhode Island or Connecticut, and one-fifth that of Florida. More marriage, less abortion: Not exactly the sort of thing out of which conservative indictments are made. But marriage is less economically valuable, at least to men, in Appalachia–like their counterparts elsewhere, married men here earn more than their unmarried counterparts, but the difference is smaller and declining.

In effect, welfare has made Appalachia into a big and sparsely populated housing project—too backward to thrive, but just comfortable enough to keep the underclass in place. There is no cure for poverty, because there is no cause of poverty—poverty is the natural condition of the human animal. It is not as though labor and enterprise are unknown here: Digging coal is hard work, farming is hard work, timbering is hard work—so hard that the best and brightest long ago packed up for Cincinnati or Pittsburgh or Memphis or Houston. There is to this day an Appalachian bar in Detroit and ex-Appalachian enclaves around the country. The lesson of the Big White Ghetto is the same as the lessons we learned about the urban housing projects in the late 20th century: The best public-policy treatment we have for poverty is dilution. But like the old project towers, the Appalachian draw culture produces concentration, a socio­economic Salton Sea that becomes more toxic every year.

{snip}

{snip} You run out of Big White Ghetto pretty quickly, and soon you are among the splendid farms and tall straight trees of northern Mississippi. Appalachia pretty well fades away after Tupelo, and the Mississippi River begins to assert its cultural force. Memphis is only a half-hour’s drive away, but it feels like a different sort of civilization–another ghetto, but a ghetto of a different sort. And if you stand in front of the First Baptist Church on Beale Street and look over your shoulder back toward the mountains, you don’t see the ghost of Elvis or Devil Anse or Daniel Boone–you see a big sign that says “Wonder Bread,” cheap and white and empty and as good an epitaph as any for what remains left behind in those hills and hollows, waiting on the draw and trying not to think too hard about what the real odds are on the lotto or an early death.

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  • DaveMed

    An excellent piece by Mr. Williamson. Dependence upon government handouts will reduce people of any race to pitiful creatures.

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      ☎☎☎ୱ☎ ☎☎☎☎ ☎☎☎☎୺☎ ☎☎☎☎I can still laugh at them knowing that Southern Whites aren’t the stupid people that the mainstream press (Anderson Cooper) has portrayed us to be.

      • I made a dollar and 38 cents looking through my family’s pockets before running the laundry this evening. Ask me how!

        Hey; it’s more realistic than your post.

    • Funruffian

      I reluctantly have to agree with you. It’s more tempting for the average person to be fed crumbs for no effort on their part while it’s less desirable for them to work their tails off to get the Filet Mignon.

      • DaveMed

        I think it’s fair to say that the decline of Europe is due, in large part, to the assumption that “the government” will take care of the citizens. This is not how Whites should be operating.

        This is not to say that there shouldn’t be some sort of basic safety net. But when the net becomes the norm, societies become lazy.

        • Sick of it

          We once had a highly functional safety net called the family. The cult of liberalism cured that.

    • LACounty

      ……and reduce some races to harmful acts of violence.

      • DaveMed

        That point in the article was certainly not lost on me 😉

  • D.B. Cooper

    It’s all perfectly acceptable to make fun of the hillbilly, isn’t it?

    • Katherine McChesney

      That looks like Jim Goad in disguise.

      • D.B. Cooper

        Come on, I know you saw this movie! Hillbillies used to be loved, like the Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Petticoat Junction, Ma and Pa Kettle, Andy Griffith, and Gomer Pyle.

        Then this movie came out, and changed all of that.

        • Katherine McChesney

          We laughed uproariously at these shows. And truth be told my favorite was Arnold Z-I-EFEL-EFEL-E-L.

          But, I also enjoyed Green Acres.

          • Funruffian

            Deliverance was based on a novel by James Dickey. He wrote stories and poems about men testing themselves against nature and the wild. Whether or not he intended to demonize hillbillies by implementing that rape component is anyone’s guess. James Dickey was a southerner himself and he didn’t strike me as a libtarded Marxist from the documentary I watched. I thought the movie was good drama and had some good acting, but you are right that it gave hillbillies a bad image that burned in the memory of those who saw the movie.

          • jane johnson

            To me, it gave Ned Beatty a bad image. After Deliverance, whenever I saw him in a movie, all I could think of was Squeal like a pig, boy.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Ned Beatty claimed that playing that part changed the way Hollywood viewed his acting ability. He said he had a fair amount of difficulty obtaining good roles after “Deliverance’.

          • Funruffian

            That’s a fairly disingenuous admission on his part considering ‘Deliverance’ was his first screen role. Before that he was only doing theater. So he has to be thankful for being cast in Deliverance for having been discovered and placed on the map of 1970’s character actors. Besides that, he had a chance to work alongside the great Burt Reynold’s, Jon Voight and Ronny Cox.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Dickey was just churning out good Southern Gothic stuff. He had no intention of demonizing hillbillies.

            Just writing a jarring and warped psychological horror tale, a lengthened version of a Flannery O’Conner short story. We’ve had some good writers come out of the South over the decades. I used to wait his table when I was in college. Had visions of becoming a writer.

            “We’re all amateurs” was his response.

            Some had a problem with him for marrying a student of his blah blah blah…fine old academic/writer tradition there, ha ha…but he was a pretty apolitical and cool guy. I liked him.

            But I think much of the demonization of the “hillbillie” is simply masochistic Whites desperately searching for some form of their own supposedly worse than the darkies. They exaggerate in Jim Carey fashion the degeneracy of their Appalachian co-racialists in order to prove to themselves that…

            a. Their acceptance of high crime/low IQ darkies is logical because…look at those awful, inbred, stupid white hillbillies!

            b. The minorities they like to impress with their self hatred can feel better, since there exists (in their imaginations) a group of Whites as bad or worse than Blacks in any number of areas.

            I’ll take five Jesco Whites over a hundred zip coons any day of the week and get more accomplished with them.

            Those mountains and valleys will make a nice refuge and point of resistance for our folk on the East Coast should it all collapse hard, by the way. Hillbilllies and guns – sounds like my kind of ghetto.

          • Brian

            I’ll take five Jesco Whites over a hundred blacks any day of the week and get more accomplished with them.
            ===
            My dad has a firewood business and gets logs from a guy missing some fingers, from the hills, and country as they come. He seems dim at first glance, but I’ve seen the huge woodsplitter contraption he built from spare parts laying around: a very impressive piece of machinery that few people could build. He’s kind of a MacGuyer hillbilly.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Many poor White “hillbillies” and “rednecks” play the cornpone but are in fact pretty bright folks.

            A great friend and gigantic slow drawling redneck used to like to go to coffee shops, play the big dumb redneck, then correct people with Phd’s on their philosophy or whatever…

            THICK country Southern accent… “Naw, that warn’t Sartre. Kierkegaard said that one.”

            After the other got his or her bearings my friend proceeded to have long highly intellectual conversations. Real mind blower, ha ha!

          • Lots of hillbillies are really smart when it comes to that sort of thing.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Mr. Dickey had a minor role in “Deliverance.” He plays the sheriff who at the end of the film tells the boys, “y’all better not come up this way again.” Or something like that.
            Great bluegrass music in the soundtrack, beautiful camera work. Directed by a Brit, John Boorman, strangely enough.
            Excellent film, in my cinemaniac view. The manner in which Mr. Boorman portrayed Southern mountain people is unfortunate.

          • dd121

            I think he’s one of the great American writers. I have a signed, first edition of Deliverance. (Just thought I’d throw that in.)

          • Ronald G Miner Jr

            Deliverance was filmed in the hills of South Carolina and Georgia, no where near where this article is talking about.

          • Geo1metric

            True, but the film took place and was filmed in the Southern Appalachians.

          • Romulus

            I effing hate that movie with every breath. You have more of a chance of being raped ANYWHERE ELSE in Americas industrial toilets than in the rural backwaters. I’m fed up with Southern demonization!

          • Mergatroyd

            Exactly! Those silly shows, Hee-Haw, Green Acres, etc., inbred hillbillies in Deliverance, even Archie Bunker, were written and produced by non-Whites to laugh at and demean White American and White American culture.

          • Morris65

            Folks are starting to post old clips of debates between Archie and Meathead. Interesting that Archie no longer seems quite so dumb while Meathead doesn’t appear quite so brilliant (though he has managed to escape the bondage of “Room & Board”).

          • gemjunior

            True, these had to be deliberate attempts to degrade Whites. The other day I was watching a show where all these old white people were in a hall dancing polkas and other European dances. It seemed almost impossible to imagine today’s 18 years olds behaving similarly, and sort of sad to see the giant difference between the two. This devolution in culture could never, never in a zillion million years – have come to be this way naturally without strong guidance of those with our worst interests at heart. So far, they seem to have gotten everything they ever dreamed of.

          • Sick of it

            I’m a Southerner yet always enjoyed the Beverly Hillbillies. It’s good clean fun.

          • stewball

            You’re wrong there. All in the family was taken from s British sitcom called ’till death do us part’. Get your facts straight.

          • Mergatroyd

            Your answer is SILLY and CHILDISH.

            Archie Bunker was set in AMERICA and created specifically for an AMERICAN audience to mock White Americans. Whether it is based on a British is irrelevant.

            There’s your “facts” which I doubt you’ll get or understand.

          • stewball

            Of course it was set in America you silly person. The actual programme was bought from England just like now they’re buying series’ from Israel.
            You go check your facts. Google it. Pshaw!

          • stewball

            I see you’re gutless. You can’t even admit to being wrong. Not s nice trait coward.

          • stewball

            Go look at Wikipedia and then come back and apologise and next time check your facts.

          • Mergatroyd

            Wikipedia? HA HA!!

            That great font of factual material and evidence…NOT.

            If that’s the best you are even more delusional than I thought and not worth replying to, as it is a complete waste of my time.

          • stewball

            Well oh nonsensical one. Did you check up Or ewere you scared I may be right or too embarrassed to come back and say sorry stewball, you were right and I was wrong and you’re not SILLY and CHILDISH!

          • Mergatroyd

            No use trying to backtrack and save face now. You’ve already made a complete and utter fool of yourself.

            LOL.

          • stewball

            I presume you’re a female. You certainly write like one. Backtracking? LOL LOL LOL .
            I wish I could send you what Wiki says as you’re probably so ASHAMED. See I can also write like a moron. Do yourself a favour and either check or keep your mouth firmly shut before you make an even more idiot of your yourself IMBECILE.

          • stewball

            Oh I see LOL. You didn’t understand what I meant and only read half the message. How did you do at school? 😉
            I said ‘ARE YOU TO EMBARRASSED TO COME BACK AND SAY ‘SORRY STEWBALL. YOU WERE RIGHT AND I – YOU – MERGATROYD WAS WRONG AND YOU – ME – STEWBALL ARE NOT SILLY AND CHILDISH’.
            Understand now? Try and keep up. It
            _________________

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            How old is that movie? 40 years? The rapist and imbecile characters are still held up to us by the media as examples of typical White Appalachians, toothless, inbred, profoundly stupid and worthless.

          • MikeofAges

            When actually, they’re typical New Yorkers. LOL.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            You have more of a chance of being raped ANYWHERE ELSE in Americas industrial toilets than in the rural backwaters.

            You have that right, Rom. I’ve rough traveled [camping out] all over the South, never felt unsafe in the backwoods.

          • Sick of it

            You need to be very careful in some places. The blacks walk through the woods if they live nearby.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            I don’t rough camp anymore. The country has become so lawless, one would have to be a fool to do so.

          • BonusGift

            I agree with you on the anti-Southern and the crime reality parts; yet I still like other parts of the film like the whitewater portion. Yes, I am too fed up with Southern demonization. As an anecdote on that some years ago I was working in NYC and was talking with two tribe members and one of them remarked exactly about the “inbred hillbilly” Hollywood thing and I followed that up with the rhetorical question of whether the average Southerner or ‘hillbilly’ was factually more inbred than your average Ashkenazi Jew? Hint: It’s the latter; yet Hollywood persists with the demonization of Southerners and ‘hillbillies’; I wonder why? For anyone wondering, that last question was also a rhetorical question.

          • stewball

            I’m afraid I’d have to say the hillbillies. They intermarry more than any other culture out of necessity. Actually not more .the Arabs do. They have so many disadvantaged children from it but they don’t realise why.

          • BonusGift

            You are wrong; only relative to whites in general do they intermarry but not to the degree of Eskimos/tribe.

          • stewball

            The Arabs intermarry and the Beduin????? My word!

          • dd121

            Most of the great American writers and military leaders came from the South in my opinion. The contemptuous attitude of the Yankees toward southern people is that of the conqueror toward the conquered. It means nothing.

          • BonusGift

            Please note, it’s not the average Yankee that produces and promotes the films and TV shows that purposely have that attitude. Hint: The first letter is T and it rhymes with bribe.

          • dd121

            Eskimos? Eskimos.

          • BonusGift

            Yes, Eskimos.

          • bilderbuster

            True enough & it starts with a K and rhymes with bike.

          • BonusGift

            Yes, that is it.

          • dd121

            The moderators have deleted our posts. They won’t even allow Eskimos. That’s cold.

          • BonusGift

            Yes; I’ve had a few/many deleted, but for crying out loud Eskimos? It seems the right time and place to pull out the oldie yet goodie by Voltaire:
            “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
            Funny thing I didn’t know it was the Eskimos until you pointed it out and we got silenced.

          • dd121

            Gone in 60 seconds. Very dangerous to speak of such things.

          • BonusGift

            Yes, but Eskimos? Really? OK, one more time:
            “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire

          • dd121

            I think maybe we’re breaking in a new mod. They really shouldn’t delete the American’s posts that quickly. There aren’t that many of us left.

          • BonusGift

            I guess they just want pro-genocide trolls.

          • stewball

            I don’t understand why a tribe?Please explain in words of one syllable.

          • TeutonicKnight67

            When referring to the Tribe… J ust E xplain W ith S implicity

          • stewball

            My. You’re so clever. How long did that take you to work out. I bet you cribbed it.

          • TeutonicKnight67

            Au Contraire! It is you that is tres savant mon amie! I didn’t recognize your sarcasm and conclude that your question was therefore rhetorical. and “cribbed”? My word! aren’t you the clever one yet again! Thank G-d we have English educated Khazari women like yourself to school us dumb white folks!

          • stewball

            Ooh votre amie :-). How nice.
            What’s a Khazari and a bit of respect for the ‘old’ woman as Sadaat called Golda.
            Are you British educated?

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Agree about superior Southern writers.
            William Styron, Tennessee Williams, Truman Capote, Carson McCullers, Margaret Mitchell, insane, but imaginative Zelda Sayre Fitzgerald, William Faulkner, Flanner O’Connor, Thomas Wolfe, Eurdora Welty, Erskine Caldwell, Shelby Foote, James Agee. Will not add Harper Lee because her narrative annoys me.
            The list goes on, and on. Southerners are the best of the best story tellers.

          • dd121

            Yeah, nice list. It still doesn’t convince Yankees that we’re not all a bunch corn-cob sucking rednecks. 150 years after the war and we’re still being punished for the glorious fight of our gr-gr-grandfathers.

          • Brian

            One of my stepdad’s friends knows the banjo kid from Deliverance– he was a funny-looking kid but not inbred or retarded, and he has a restaurant in N. GA.
            ===
            To add authenticity and humor to the film, the filmmakers found Redden to fit the look of the inbred and intellectually disabled banjo boy called for by the book, although Redden himself is neither. His distinctive look was enhanced using special makeup.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Ronny Cox got his break there because he was an accomplished folk musician. In real life he’s one of the nicest folks you will meet, but carved a career for himself in Tinseltown by playing grade A a$$holes. Like “Dick Jones” from “Robocop”.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            He may be cast as jerks now, but Mr. Cox was anything but an aggressive alpha male in “Deliverance.”
            That role went to Burt Reynolds, the crew’s uber-alpha bowman who did not suffer from “buck eager.”
            I think that was the essence of the film. Men as men, challenging a dying world. How each played it out was significant.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Oh sure. Burt’s best role ever in my opinion.

            Yeah, Ronny got a nice break with Deliverance as a result of his musical skill.

            But boy he plays a great grade A A-hole!

          • Godsofthecopybookheadings

            Another thing about Cox is that he’s double-jointed. It was his idea that he put his elbow on the other side of his head in the scene where his corpse is found, so that he’d appear more mangled.

        • His “pretty mouth” compliment was rather unsavory.

          • Geo1metric

            You mean “purty”, don’t you?

        • rowingfool

          Deliverance AND Easy Rider.

          Every stoned college student in the seventies watched in horror as the gap toothed, shotgun totting, battered-pickup driving hillbillies blew away Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper.

          Peter Benchley once remarked that he regretted JAWS having been made into a movie because, though it enjoyed huge popularity and box office success it had implanted an unreasoned phobia in audiences against sharks and open water recreation, and further, that that phobia could not be countered with intelligent facts as presented on the Discovery Channel.

          What JAWS was to sharks, Deliverance and Easy Rider were to rural southerners. Most boomer era northerners know no more about the South than they gleaned from those two movies.

          • Funruffian

            Yea, you’re right, but what the hell are we going to do? People want to be entertained and they just love sensationalism. It takes their attention away from their humdrum lives. If people really wanted reality, The Discovery Channel would be featured in the cinemas where folks would pay $11 a pop. That just wouldn’t happen and never will.

          • By the end of “Easy Rider”, I was so bored I was ready to off myself, so the shooting scene came as pure relief.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            The only part about Easy Rider I liked was the scene where Jack Nicholson gets stoned and basically rattles off the whole “alien reptiliod conspiracy over twenty years prior to the rise of the internet, ha ha!

            Apparantly the belief that all our leaders are alien reptiloids is the one conspiracy folks of all political stripes are equally likely to buy into.

            You know, considering the state of our world…

            “Reptiliod” is a pretty apt description of our monstrous “superiors”. Guess I can appreciate the Jungian psychological sentiment of that rabbit hole conspiracy. UFOs! Woo!

          • Unfortunately, he wasn’t accusing the British Royal Family as being alien reptiloids. Princess Margaret sure looks like she could be one, and Prince Charles isn’t any better!

        • Max Krakah

          Deliverance is a prime example of the marxist strategy of ridicule and accusing others of what they do. It is preposterous to think that the whole appalachian area is full of homosexual men raping people in the woods. The move was total slander.

          • BonusGift

            The term is projection, and you are right.

        • Max Krakah

          The Shows “Beverly Hillbillies” and Petticoat Junction” were both doing good in the ratings when they were cancelled. The non white whites in charge of the network decided to chuck all such shows down the pan!

        • Sick of it

          I have a cousin who reminded me of Ellie Mae when I was growing up.

    • dd121

      When “All in the Family” first appeared the lefties all thought the audience was laughing AT the Bunkers. We of course were laughing WITH old Archie. They finally caught on and diluted it so that it wasn’t funny anymore.

      • Max Krakah

        when one sees that show today, one is completely sympathetic with AB whereas Meatheaed and Gloria are smug, arrogant, stupid, and just plain WRONG about everything. It turns out ARCHIE was RIGHT about everything. The show was written to make Archie and his beliefs sound ridiculous and to make one embarrassed to think the same way. This was mind control. Other shows , instead of demonizing those who had common sense, took the other route of making objectionable people the cute, sympathetic, funny ones.Alice just picked up and left her husband taking the kids. “Are You Being Served” had the gay character as the smartest and funniest one. Then there all sorts of magic negro movies and TV shows that gave everyone a false image of what black people are like. Just contrast the cast of “What’s Happening” with what we see happening today.

        • dd121

          The last sitcom I watched was All in the Family. As far as I know every one of them since has been anti-white portraying white men as buffoons and blacks as the font of wisdom. Just the opposite of reality, so I don’t watch.

        • Alexandra1973

          I remember seeing this one All in the Family clip on YouTube, not too long ago…Gloria was saying she hoped MORE blacks moved in.

          Well, I have this to say to people with that mindset and got their wish–How’s that working out for you?

      • Katherine McChesney

        Norman Lear and his wife were rabid feminists. Frances Lear sued him for divorce and started Lear Magazine focusing on feminist rights. Meathead and Gloria (an airhead) came across as flaming liberal bigots. I liked old Archie.

        • Alexandra1973

          I have to say Edith *was* a bit of a dingbat, though.

          • stewball

            Lol she was supposed to be.

      • stewball

        I loved Archie and poor Edith but deep down he was a softy.

    • Romulus

      No the hell it isn’t!! While true that some lack the sophistication and prowess of others, these are among the most honorable people I’ve ever found in this land, as I’ve been fortunate enough to have traveled ask of the lower 48 frequently. They make up (including the old western stock) the vast majority of the US military, have better manners and social graces and would give the shirt off their backs if asked.
      Over the Thanksgiving holiday a family member had engine troubles on an interstate on the way home from middle Appalachia and two good ol boys not only bought him an alternator, but also installed it out of the goodness of their SOUTHERN hearts.
      Tell me where in any leftist enclave where that would ever happen.

      • Geo1metric

        I had a similar experience when driving home from work here in Pennsylvania (I live in the area called Westsylvania). I was in suit and tie, walking up the four-lane highway (yes, we have highways in theseherehills) after my car stopped. One after the other of shiny new, sporty cars zoomed passed me. The one that stopped to pick me up was a very old, beat-up station wagon with a man, his wife, and three children. They were obviously economically ok but not doing real well. They asked me where I wanted to go, took me there, and gave me a quarter to make a needed phone call. The children were well behaved. I asked for their address to send them some money for the help. They refused.

      • Max Krakah

        I travel for work at times. I always enjoy being in the WHITE south .

        • NeanderthalDNA

          You’re welcome anytime.
          I’ve always been fond of old stock New Englanders myself, like the ones I’ve known who transplanted. What part of the country are you from?

        • Romulus

          I’ve seen the video clips of “wal-martians” and run into Jesus zealots , dummies, and those that fit the stereotypical description,but you can find the same observations of any group on earth. Southerners are also the most misunderstood people in America. I’m sick of the demonization of them.
          I’m tired of the double standard of non stop rural/ country living television programming while simultaneously destroying their people and history.

      • BonusGift

        I agree. For example, if you looked at a list of say special forces, it would disproportionally have good old boys and westerners of the founding stock (i.e., people settled there before the 3rd world invasion aided and abetted by our overlords). As a simple anecdote related to that subject; a few years ago I was fishing with my son in Montana and got a flat on my trailer (which I hadn’t noticed) as I was driving out of town when a guy pulled up at a stoplight and got my attention and informed me of the fact before major damage could happen; then I removed the tire and took it to the nearest repair place and they fixed it and wouldn’t take my money; then after the tire fix, and before leaving town, I stopped to have my rather small (two or three gallon) propane tank topped off and that guy wouldn’t take my money. I will never forget that sequence of seemingly small events that took place in that town that day and I almost wept at what we have lost by becoming a third world flophouse with the intent to kill off/genocide anyone that looks or acts like those people working on that small stretch of highway in Montana did that day. Actually it makes me angry more than melancholy, or rather both.

        • stewball

          That’s called ‘paying forward’. I hope you did your paying forward after but I doubt it.

      • stewball

        I know you’ll going to want to kill me but it happened all over Jerusalem s few weeks ago. Religious and non religious helping each other. Taking strangers into their houses. It was quite amazing.

        • Romulus

          Lol. No, Ms. Stewball, I wouldn’t hurt you. I’m merely elaborating on a more panoramic and alternate version of western history since Greece and Rome.
          Let’s see if I can offer you an example you can wrap your noodle around.
          Your proud of what you are, right? You consider yourself to be British, even though your Jewish, yes? You believe in the right of your people to their past,present and future ?
          Should not the indigenous Germanic/Celtic people of Europe also be afforded the right to their ancestral homeland, their bloodlines, and culture?
          I believe that they are as entitled to that proposition as you and yours are and will defend their right to do so. I also have studied the the histories of the near middle east and Europe intensely from both a liberal and conservative point of view. A careful review of of the empirical facts over the last 2000 years, shows a huge disproportionate influence from the unmentionables. If that doesn’t fit into your cozy perspective, I can’t help that. There are good and bad people of every stripe, including the tribe, but the take away from many of my comments is the aforementioned Disproportionate influence.
          If the atheists and believers show a little altruism to each other, then great.
          What annoys us realists, is that your tribe there doesn’t practice what it preaches here and Europe. It also doesn’t follow that the so called holy land won’t implode one of these days. All of the good books predict it. We shall see.

          • stewball

            You are right in quite a lot of what you say. You’re talking about the apocalypse right? I just hope me and mine are long gone by then even though I was almost gone in June.
            Of course I can’t get my ‘noodle’ around all you said as obviously am not as well read or informed as you lot are.
            What did you mean by ‘my lot’ not practicing what we preach?
            As for ‘cozy’ I’m not that cozy because I’m waiting for the next war or intifada.
            But I’m glad you don’t want to hurt me. 🙂

          • stewball

            I’m amazed that you remember what I said about being British and Jewish.

          • Romulus

            Thank you Miss.

          • stewball

            Ms.

          • stewball

            Back to this. I consider my
            Jewishness to be my religion.

          • Romulus

            Do you look anything like Amy winehouse,Barbara Streisand, senator feinstein, or Gloria Steinem? They represent classic ethnic female Jews. Now Bar rafaeli represents either an eastern Mediterranean European admixture who’s dominant gene favors her northern side or a European who thinks she’s Jewish from simply practicing the religion.
            So, I’m curious. Which are you? Remember, I did give you a description of myself.

          • stewball

            Being the age I am (70) my memory’s not what it was so I don’t remember the description. Sorry. Please remind me.
            Bar Rafaeli is lovely. I had dark brown hair and eyes. You wouldn’t look at me and scream OMG she’s Jewish. The non Jews I mixed with wouldn’t have known if I hadn’t told them. But I do wear a Star of David because it belonged to my grandfather.

    • stewball

      One shouldn’t really make fun of anybody. That’s just as bad as bullying.

  • borogirl54

    What I found interesting is that a lot of the teenage mothers are married? Certainly not what you would see in the minority communities.

    • Not only married, but married to the actual fathers of their children! Dis must be some of dat dere “priveledge” dem white racist folks be haben, gnome sayin?

    • MBlanc46

      But exactly what you would have seen in this country fifty years ago. When I was a youth the median age for marriage for women was 19 and for men 23. Forty years of incessant feminist propaganda have convinced people that it’s an abomination for physically mature young women to marry.

      • Alexandra1973

        I was married at 20. Our only child was born 8 years later (he’s now 12). I went through an unwanted divorce last year and now I’m low-income. I believe my husband will be back, though. No way is my son going to be subjected to a mother with revolving-door boyfriends. In fact I still wear my ring.

        • You sound like a wonderful mother. I will keep you and your son in my prayers.

          • Alexandra1973

            I try. Just waiting for my prodigal to get tired of the pig-pen. And thanks.

        • MBlanc46

          I hope things work out for the best for you and your son.

        • My mother was also married at 20. She had me at 23. Now she is 71 and I am 47. We run multiple lists: things for me to make and bring north and things for me to repair in her house while I am there. Sometimes Sayaka and I make a sauce and bring up the raw materials for a good dinner at mom’s house. I do a lot of work there; I separated one of my right ribs from my sternum straightening her garage door over Christmas. Three weeks later, it feels only a little sore.

          The relationship between a loved, wanted child and his or her mother is a wonderful thing, well into adulthood.

          • stewball

            You bet it is. Your mum is 1 year older than me 🙂 and my eldest will be 43 and the youngest is 40.
            They’re very loved and return their love to me.

      • stewball

        I got married age 26. When my mum was writing an engagement announcement and got to the bit blah blah blah the engagement of ….. my dad, who was washing up at the time, said ‘at last’.
        Joking. I think hmmmmm.

  • jackryanvb

    Wonderbread is not healthy food…

    Meth use… Not healthy….

    From the “hood” to ” the wood “.. Not healthy places.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      “Hillbillies” are still less prone to violence and crime than Blacks.

      According to Wikipedia, Wonderbread is quite the American success story, at least until recent years. First produced in 1921 in Indianapolis by Taggart Baking Company, Wonder Bread was distributed nationally when Continental Baking took over.

      It was immensely successful, of course, the origin of the phrase, “best thing since sliced bread”.

      In terms of health, apparently…

      “In August 2009 Wonder reformulated its Wonder Classic and Wonder Classic Sandwich bread varieties to include more calcium and vitamin D.[10] Two slices of Wonder Classic and Wonder Classic Sandwich bread then provided 30% of the daily recommended intake of calcium, the same amount as 8 fluid ounces of whole milk.

      Wonder 100% Whole Wheat (16 oz variety) qualified for the Women, Infants and Children (WIC) program in most states.

      In March 2010 Wonder extended its line of bread products for families who preferred the taste of white bread, but wanted more nutrition, with the addition of Wonder Smartwhite a new bread with the taste and soft texture of white bread – but with the fiber of 100% whole wheat bread.”
      So what’s wrong with Wonder Bread? Hillbillies like and can afford it?

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Wonderbread is quite the American success story. First produced in 1921 in Indianapolis, the original company was bought by Continental Baking in 1924 and the product was introduced nationally.

      In terms of health, according to Wiki, they have, like all other bread producers, introduced several fortified breads. We can argue the pros and cons of the food and flavor industry but fortified Wonder Bread sounds like a good choice for poor folk, nutritionally.

      Regardless, the racist, anti-White smear of something being “white bread”, especially if we substitute the brand name of the first company to make the best thing since sliced bread…or rather sliced bread itself, lol…

      We have yet another insulting and humiliating implement in our anti-White knapsack of White genocide enabling tools.

      I like Wonder Bread.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Yup. Looks like a discus thing. Apologies for the triple redundancy posts in response to Jack. I only intended one post.
        Grrr…

    • LACounty

      You take the hood and I’ll take the woods. Keep in touch.

  • MekongDelta69

    Bottom line of the story:

    No matter how poor people are, it all comes down to demographics when it comes to describing neighborhoods…

    White = Safe

    Black = Unsafe

    • Frank_DeScushin

      I read the following comment on an internet forum today. It was posted by a middle-aged white guy regarding which neighborhood he would choose to live in:

      “I’d feel equally unsafe in poor black, white. Next would be poor Hispanic, then Asian. I don’t know why. I grew up around some very poor white folks and some nasty #### can go down. Maybe I have a rosy image of poor Hispanic and Asian as some kind of hard-working immigrant population who are less prone to crime.
      Does this make me racist?”

      • NeanderthalDNA

        The fact that a real White “man” would resort to such brainwashed contortions says a lot about a lot…

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          You can pretend to be anyone you want on the Internet. There are non-White trolls who infiltrate pro-White forums, tea party meetings and White organizations and pretend to be White to stir up trouble and give the media, government and anti-White organizations fuel to stop the “White Nazis.”

          • BonusGift

            Correct, and we have a few here as well. For example, yellow Johnny.

        • MikeofAges

          If authentic, the sentiment is not implausible even if it is not statistically sound. The white down-and-outer, burnout and under class can be pretty scary sometimes to those not familiar. Especially, “bikers” can be alarming because they are clannish, don’t seem to need friendship from outsiders and are prepared to defend themselves against any and all. Depending on where you are, there are some mixed or predominantly black neighborhoods in the United State where a certain type of white would be pretty safe. I came to the conclusion years ago that what underclass and ghetto black dislikes most about whites is that they reject and are alienated from their aboriginal identity.

          Whites who seem not alienated from their aboriginal identity are acceptable to blacks provided they are not hostile. My experience has been that “hippie” types always have lived pretty well with blacks when their enclaves have been on or within the edge of the black ghetto. All of this has long been manifest in the East Bay (Oakland) community in California.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Down South here I’ve always found the darkies respect nothing more than an unapologetic peckerwood who’s proud of his roots and comfortable in his skin. Their propensity to prey on weakness (often interpreting kindness as such) is only encouraged by not presenting a hard face and at least the outward impression of toughness.

            There’s a certain facial expression I’ve perfected over the years, the kind of smile one gets right before they are about to try to kill someone. The smile conveys social politeness, but the edge in the eyes says something quite different. Freaks them out.

            Don’t get me wrong – I’ve perfected a certain social chameleonness and can shuck and jive with most. I’m actually a bit louder than the average negro and good with words. And 6’3″ 240+ with an edge and some Neanderthal DNA, so guess that helps.

          • Brian

            I’ve noticed that too– blacks act better around tribal ethnic whites: Italians, rednecks, etc. They have no respect (or fear) at all for the SWPLs though.

          • stewball

            S? White protestant L? What do this letters stand for?

          • Brian

            Stuff White People Like. Pronounced ‘swipple’. Refers to white liberal hipster bohemian bourgeois, specifically.

          • stewball

            I like that. Not being American I don’t know your words or phrases.
            Thank you for telling me.

          • MikeofAges

            I lived in the East Bay. No problems. In fact, I left because I didn’t like the white people there. If you were there you’d know what I mean. One feminist collective practiced giving each cervical examination and doing “menstrual extractions”. What that really meant was that they were an abortion cult. The member of the “collective” (the favored term in that subculture) deliberately got pregnant and then performed abortions on each other by folk methods. Sophisticated folk methods, but still folk methods.

            Another manifestation was the men’s groups. In addition toe meeting to discuss how they were being mean to women, apparently envious of the seeming complexities of female sexuality, anatomy, medical issues compared to their own simple needs, they also learned how to perform testicular self examination and apparently rectal and prostate self examination. As far as I know they didn’t perform these on each other.

            Although, testicular cancer can occur and so can prostate or bowel cancer, testicular cancer is rare and prostate and bowel, colon or intestinal cancers are uncommon among relatively young men.

            A more useful activity, in my estimation, would have been for them to keep track of and manage their own health issues and risks. Things like avoiding high blood pressure. Weight gain. Loss of sexual function with growing into middle age. Drug abuse and alcoholism. Coping with psychosocial stress. How to identify and avoid psychological abuse by malignantly anti-male and manipulative women.

            In comparison, the blacks were simply stultifyingly lower middle class. The bad players and gang member stuck out like a sore thumb. But there were enough of them the to create a lot of havoc. Most the teenage violence involved kids who had just gotten in over their heads. After a few months there, I began to feel sorry for the black funeral directors and mortuary worker. I imagine they become inured to their work after awhile, but the endless stream of dead teenagers, most of them not real gangster, must have weighed on them.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Actually what you described regarding sick White liblefty insanity can also be found in the Berkeley of western NC, Asheville.

            Folk like that around here absolutely idolize what you hate and actively seek to ape such.

            As a former teacher who has experience in teaching low class Blacks, I get what you are saying. There were always a few who I really felt for, who I mentored and who I did my best to shield from the others.

            But I eventually burned out, got weary of caring. The combination of their natural inclinations and our official refusal to recognize such made it impossible to save those that could have been saved. Which would have involved as much “deblackification” as possible, of course…

          • MikeofAges

            Don’t forget than the KGB, during the Soviet era, turned destabilization into a science. Add to that, the changes in American society after 1970 Those with professional and managerial credentials or high end service skills, blacks included, prospered while the common man got tossed under the bus. What goals are to be pursued is another issue, and that is what I was trying to bring out into the open. If the goal was to make people into acceptable, stable members of the lower middle class, more might be accomplished.

          • stewball

            I didn’t know you were a teacher. What subject did you teach?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Social Studies and Spanish. I scored in the 99th percentile of the National Teachers Exam in Social Studies but only taught my passion when in Costa Rica. Up here I got dumped bonehead Spanish classes.

          • stewball

            I could have learnt Spanish at school 100 years ago or, God forbid, German but Ihad to do extra English. What an embarrassment! I passed my matriculation though. And y learned French but that’s not really the topic of conversation is it. I digressed. Sorry to one and all.

          • the sound the flood the hour

            lol. It’s true though.

          • stewball

            What’s a peckerwood?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Prison slang. Red headed woodpecker was used as derogatory slang for fair haired Whites. Somehow “peckerwood” evolved to describe a tough White man who should be avoided rather than confronted.
            Tough and wannabe tough Whites adopted it as a mark of pride.
            How you doing, Stewie?

          • The only thing I was ever called in prison was “Professor”, even by the staff and guards.

          • stewball

            Ooh! Curiouser and curiouser.
            Just been attacked by 2 silly kitties.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Maybe it’s more a Southern thing. ?

          • stewball

            I’m doing fine thank you neanderthal. How’s about you? As in redneck?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I don’t get enough sun for my neck to redden much anymore. I value my white hide these days and have no desire to damage it any more. Not getting any younger, you know, and since most people guess about a decade younger than my real age, might as well not blow it, I think.
            Not so bad. So hey – you were in Continental Europe when it all went down? Then emigrated to England? Then Israel? That’s fascinating.

          • stewball

            Email’s good. I don’t want one and all reading anything not connected. You’ve got mine?
            How?
            Your turn. Use the email.

          • stewball

            May I have your email address. After all you’ve got mine!!!! In what devious way did you get it!

          • stewball

            I was born in England. The grandparents, both sides, came from what was then Russia before the revolution. Certainly not communists or anything else I would imagine.
            Vrty pleasant out at the moment. I’m sitting comfortably with s siamese kitty on my lap.
            Personal talk I would rather not do here.

          • stewball

            Oh I wasn’t calling you a redneck. I was querying if the
            peckerwood was like the rednecks.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Excellent thread of thinking here. I’ve found the same about being unapologetic, while kindness is viewed as gullability/naivete. And facial expressions are everything, along with body language–wearing the appropriate mask and costume for the occasion.

        • Frank_DeScushin

          The white guy in question is from Minnesota. Minnesota whites seem particularly brainwashed.

          • Alexandra1973

            No kidding, that’s why they keep taking in these Somalian “refugees.”

          • It could be a Scandinavian predisposition toward pathological altruism. Their Swedish cousins suffer from it too.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            They’re experience with diversity is only now just kicking in. Give ’em time…

        • stewball

          Good evening.

      • pcmustgo

        I have met a few white trash folks that were creepy as hell… even seen white pimps. White sailors. White pitbull owners. A lot of the white underclass is pretty creepy.

        But yeah, prefer them to ghetto blacks.

      • Max Krakah

        Most likely none of it is true, it is a marxist posting dialectic. Anyone can claim anything on the web. The facts are clear though, white neighborhoods are safe. Black Neighborhoods are not. One of the most commonly maligned poor white areas are the “trailer Parks” and for some reason, most of these do tend to be very white. Crime statistics from trailer parks though show them to be very safe. There is also a high percentage of owner occupancy. It is just white people choosing to live within their means, buying a cheeper house instead of renting .

        • One of my now-deceased friends (cancer) lived in a trailer park near the rifle range in north Boulder. Ray was single and didn’t like to spend much time in an office. He preferred shooting, talking about shooting, homebrewing, drinking homebrew, talking about homebrewing, fishing, eating fish, talking about fishing, and working on his beautiful vintage Mustang.

          He’s just as dead as someone who worked 9-5 in the rat-race, but Ray had a lot more fun.

          • stewball

            I wanted to ask if he was happy though. Good to hear he was. Such a disgusting disease.

  • Katherine McChesney

    I remember driving my SUV down a ‘holler’ in Harlan County, Ky. taking a friend to visit her grandmother. The window curtains parted in every house as we passed.

    I heard they don’t ‘cotton’ to strangers.

    • Geo1metric

      We don’t mind strangers if they’re the “right kind” of strangers.

    • fuzzypook

      After years of abuse from Yankees and the Feds interfering in their lives, they are rightfully wary of strangers.

  • bigone4u

    With all the problems in rural Kentucky I’d rather live there than anywhere close to a big city black ghetto. My grandmother was a Kentucky farm woman her whole life. I spent time on the farm in the summer. Good people there.

    • Katherine McChesney

      And it’s absolutely beautiful. The wildflowers in the ‘hollers’ are rare and a thing of beauty.

      • Guest

        How about “District 9”?

        • Katherine McChesney

          What is “District 9”?

    • willbest

      Close is relative. You can be 5 blocks away from a ghetto and be perfectly safe, which I quite frankly don’t understand, because even animals have figured out you don’t @#$# where you eat

      • pcmustgo

        Yes, this is how it is in Brooklyn. I am 20 or so blocks from several big black ghettoes.

      • Katherine McChesney

        ‘…because even blacks have figured out you don’t dump where you eat.’

        That doesn’t make any sense at all, considering the abundant crimes committed in the ‘hood’.

  • Massif1

    The word “ghetto” has been completely destroyed by blacks. Their residence should be called “subsidized housing community” or “government owned zoo.”

  • The whole “poverty causes crime” schtick is really played-out.
    My [White] family members lived during a period of severe poverty (The Great Depression).

    They never formed into gangs/lived criminal lifestyles.

    • DiversityIsDeath

      If you watched the PBS doc “The Dust Bowl” you see how noble and resilient our people were– even the “ignorant peasants” and “po white trash”. If you understand that White Christian Americans who lived through both the Great Depression and WWII with remarkable stoic dignity, and who referred to those 2 catastrophic events as “a minor interruption”, it makes you feel so proud, so blessed, yet so unworthy of being a descendant of that race. Our ancestors suffered in silent majesty, if you know what I mean. They were awesome! You want to be a better person for them, because you owe it to them. That’s how I feel anyway.

    • Frank_DeScushin

      Leftists think it’s insulting to black people to suggest that their crime isn’t a result of poverty.

      I think it’s insulting to poor people to say that poverty is to blame for black crime.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        I agree.

        Heck, I lived in Costa Rica years ago, in a neighborhood that physically would have qualified as a place I’d rather not go – in the States.
        But there…there were a bunch of folks living in what here would be considered poverty…and I never really felt unsafe at all.

        Costa Rica is the Whitest place north of Argentina and south of somewhere in the USA. There was theft, but not the kind of brutal r-style violence and suicidal stupidity one sees here in neighborhoods that look like that.

        Point is, I think there IS some correlation between poverty and crime, especially non-violent crime. Poor people are more likely to steal and cheat, I believe.

        But poor Whites just don’t seem to kill and brutalize each other or anyone else the way the Bantu does, and given the opportunity to better one’s self, are more likely to take advantage of such. Sociology works much better without IGNORED effects of diversity.

        • pcmustgo

          I have been to Costa Rica and liked it as well and did not feel any racial tension. Then again, I did not feel any racial animosity in Puerto Rico either. I disagree that Costa Rica is a white kind of place… the European influence is totally exaggerated. Most Costa Ricans are very much brown… I probably only saw 2 or 3 that could even pass for white, and those just barely.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Which parts were you in? The central Valley is where I stayed. The northwest part of the country, Guanacaste, is a lot darker, formerly a part of Nicaragua. The Caribbean coast has a lot of blacks from the west Indies originally.
            San Jose had some pretty white folk compared to other regions. Outside the city but in the central valley, now, I ran into redheaded freckled types that could have easily come from right down the road.
            Of course my in-laws were pretty Castillan and I taught at a school that the kids of the elites attended. Never taught a whiter bunch of kids in my life.
            But no, other than a large ex can-am pop, most Ticos would not pass for Anglo-Scandinavian gringos. My in-laws looked Italian except for el padrino who was as fair as I and always mistaken for a gringo.

          • pcmustgo

            Guanacaste, the western coast, and San Jose, Monteverde, Arenal… didn’t see anyone who really passed for white in any of them. Did meet one tico couple from San Jose that had that somewhat Italian look, but again, they were not fully white. The vast bulk are Brown. Very good looking people though, all, and I mean all of the women there seemed in shape and attractive and dressed well, probably on the look out for a foreign husband, and we all know about the sex tourism there (although most of those prostitutes are apparently from other parts of Latin America anyways).

          • pcmustgo

            They are better looking than most Mexicans, that is for sure.

          • stewball

            You 2 seem to be arguing about who felt the place was whiter or darker! Why?

          • stewball

            Are your in law’s Spanish?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            They were (still are I guess, lol) Costa Ricans. Father-in-law was a very bright McGyver-like mechanic and although he could read English never felt comfortable with speaking it. Nonetheless when he worked for stints in the US or came to visit us, everybody who met him assumed he was Anglo-American ad was surprised to find he was not.
            Mother-in-law had some indian in her somewhere but not much. Although at the time I was not very race conscious, I would definitely consider them “White Hispanics” and if our Hispanic immigration problem consisted mainly of folks like them there would be little or no problem. White Hispanics tend to remain in their homelands.
            My in-laws were racially aware and proud of their Castillian heritage. Unfortunately I was an a-hole and she was a raging B, so despite my fondness for my inlaws things did not work out.

          • stewball

            I’m sorry. Are you still in contact with your ex in laws? Nothing to be ashamed of being Castillian.
            The Spanish/sephardi were veryoproud of their heritage and thought themselves better than the rest. Even the Germans who thought they were the best leaving us at the bottom. They were the best to be honest.
            I feel like your ex FiL. I’m more comfortable in British English than Hebrew even after 46 years!

      • Poverty isn’t to blame for black crime. In fact the reverse is true: black crime is to blame for black poverty. Crime drives businesses out of black neighborhoods; businesses that would otherwise employ locals. A fellow who drops out of high school and joins a gang isn’t going to acquire any marketable skills – except as a street corner “pharmacologist” – and the resulting years of his life spent locked up aren’t likely to get him any, either, unless one counts mopping floors or serving slop at the chow hall. If Darnell has a few kids during his short, rare stints out on parole, his kids are going to do their growing up without any support from him.

    • stewball

      People were more family orientated in those days.

  • Luca

    I wish the author would have compared statistics with, say, Detroit, instead of national averages. I think the comparison would have been far more profound and as different as, well, night and day.

    Once more, an article like this blows away the liberal theory that “poverty” causes crime.

  • Spartacus

    And why aren’t any of you there, giving away copies of The Turner Diaries ?

    • Geo1metric

      Most of the folks I know don’t need to read about it.

    • ncpride

      No doubt these are the people that need our help the most, because they are worth saving. They have their problems sure, but they are tough as nails and from what I know of them, LOYAL to each other. We donate money on a regular basis to various organizations helping the families of Appalachia, because we can be 98% certain our money is going to help OUR people.

      • Spartacus

        I appreciate that, but they need ideological indoctrination, and lots of it. Places like these can make good White Nationalist enclaves if you can manage to convert even 20-30% of the population there.

        • Romulus

          So does the Carpathian mtn range.

        • Geo1metric

          I would think, based on having lived around these people for much of my life, that more than 20-30 percent are already living with their eyes wide open. They may be economically challenged, but they are not stupid. And more importantly, they are not susceptible to propaganda like most people who are “on the make”.

        • fuzzypook

          I’m from KY and I can tell you that you would not need to convert them. They are there.

          • Spartacus

            I have no doubt that their instincts are still healthy, but it’s not enough. You need a certain portion of the population to get a clear view of the big picture, with all it’s complexities, so that they can swing the rest of the community in the right direction when that’s needed . They need to know in detail things like what’s happening in South Africa, who the real enemy is and how he carries out his work, how to organize a paramilitary movement, how to organize when SHTF . That’s what I’m talking about.

      • Romulus

        The Christian Bowhunters and the Appalachian project are two that I donate to annually. I’ve only begun to donate to The Afrikaner/Boer.

        • Geo1metric

          Good for you!! I also give regularly to the Appalachian Project and encourage others to. Help your own people!!

          • Romulus

            I always try to make sure that my money goes directly to our people. It’s tragic what is happening to our Southern brothers and sisters. Ni66er loving is on the rise. Haji and urban trash is settling along the I 81 corridor, their history, monuments and heroes being removed or dishonored.
            Wow to you, o earth and sea!,
            For the devil sends the beast with wrath!,
            Because he knows the time is short!
            There are factions in America that will be begging god to forgive them when amerika tanks.

        • ncpride

          I’ve never heard of the Bowhunters, but am very familiar with CAP. I have a lot of family that still live in the NC mountains, so my sister was telling me about a young Pastor this past Christmas that was looking for donations for the children, and how worried he was because they were really short this year. My husband and I decided it was time to clean out our attic after nearly 18 years, ( no easy feat, that) and ended up with 3 carloads of children’s toys, books, strollers, car seats, walkers, stuffed animals, clothing and just about every other thing a family collects over the years. We got them to my sister, and she got them to the Pastor to distribute. That’s how we help our own.

  • Puggg

    The Missouri Ozarks and the county in which I live is sort of this way, except what makes the county where I live somewhat different is that St. Louis suburban development has spread south into here in the last 25 years.

    • Geo1metric

      Have you built your redoubt yet?

      • Puggg

        Hardly necessary, I’d have to live about 20 miles to the NNW to need one of those. Or someone gets the idea to make Arnold more vibrant.

  • 48224

    My family is from Clay County Kentucky and my ancestors migrated to Detroit to work in the car factories. We still visit eastern Kentucky often. That area did experience a “brain drain” many of the smarter, more motivated people did leave for greener pastures (like Detroit…ugh).

    Appalachia has its problems with drug abuse and poverty but no where NEAR the violence we see here in Detroit. Appalachia will be one of the last white strongholds left in the USA and I predict “the south will rise again” as more and more educated high IQ whites retreat there over the next decades to escape “diversity”.

    • Geo1metric

      I often talk about “The Appalachian Republic” and designed a flag for it about fifteen years ago.

      It has what is necessary for a “country” which is now sorely lacking in the US at large; it has a common culture, common language, genetically related people, and a shared history.

      If you read Civil War II, you will see that it remains White after the break-up.

      I live in the Appalachian Republic. I love it. We have White Christmas every year, all year, every year!

      • Romulus

        Could you please provide me with the authors name. I wish to add that tome to my extensive Uncivil war collection.

        • Geo1metric

          Sure. Civil War II was written by Tom Chittum, but it is not about the War of Northern Aggression; it is his vision of a coming race war in the US. Excellent read.

          • Romulus

            Thank you. That is exactly the kind of book that gets my gears turning.
            You might like a book entitled the “Synagoge of Satan” Its an empirical chronology of a particular group. 😉

          • Max Krakah

            who wins the race war?

          • Geo1metric

            The country divides geographically with the South being black with fortified White enclaves, the Southwest goes hispanic/latino (Aztlan), and the rest is White with the exception of Appalachia staying White and projecting down to northern Alabama. This is from memory and I read the book as soon as it was published which was mid-90s iirc.

        • In addition to “Civil War Two”, by Tom Chittum, “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross is also excellent.

          • Geo1metric

            UC is about my favorite! A must read in my opinion. Feed the pigs!!!

          • Romulus

            Thank you Michael. I’ll add that one to my list.

      • willbest

        If they are all dependent on money from the suburbs and the area has been picked clean of easy resource extraction how exactly can it thrive as a country?

        • Geo1metric

          The Appalachian Republic extends from northern Alabama to northern New England. There is abundant coal, timber, and hydro-electric power. It is also full of resourceful White folks.

    • r j p

      I hate that movie – just because I am from West Virginis.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Yeah, and you know what?

      I’d still rather hang with Jesco White than the vast majority of Negros I’ve known. I kinda like the gasoline hufing reprobate, ha ha…

  • the sound the flood the hour

    You could examine all of the whites living in “black ghettos” and you would still find the same statistics. So it’s not a matter of “geographical location” either.

    • Gilbert Jacobi

      May I ask what you mean by “find the same statistics”? This is of interest to me because I live in a so-called “black ghetto”. I say so-called because these places don’t fulfill the requirements for being called a ghetto; also, using that term gives further credence to the Jewish interpretation of the “civil rights” movement while lending Jewish leadership of that movement the moral cover of a seeming connection to historical events in Europe.

      • the sound the flood the hour

        It’s been my experience that whites are less violent on average than blacks even in places where blacks make up the majority of the population. I could be wrong but again I can only speak for my personal experiences.

        • Gilbert Jacobi

          Thanks, got it. And you are right, though there are the occasional whiggers, mixed race families, and such who may cause trouble.

  • dd121

    I LIKE white people. Guess I just never knew why.

  • john boggs

    I work in Hazleton, PA once a week. It’s located in the N.E. section of the state. It’s exactly like the area the author is describing in KY. EVERYONE smokes. EVERYONE drinks Mountain Dew. EVERYONE is obese. EVERYONE does meth and Oxies. It’s so depressing, I dread going there.

  • sbuffalonative

    “…moribund matrix of Wonder Bread–hued Appalachian towns…

    Talk about setting a biased tone.

    • robinbishop34

      “…moribund matrix of pumpernickel hued ghettos…”

      • MBlanc46

        I’ve don’t believe I’ve ever seen a black eating rye bread.

        • Not only does McDamage not produce any sandwiches on rye, blacks almost never eat things that are good for them anymore.

          • MBlanc46

            This discussion has really got me thinking about a nice Swiss cheese on seeded rye, with lettuce and mustard. And a dill pickle on the side. Soul food.

          • Breakfast this morning was a sandwich made of toasted whole wheat bread, with “Sky Valley” sriracha sauce (shameless plug) on one slice, sour cream on the other slice, diced onion, sliced tomato, sliced avocado, sliced home-grown bell-jalapeno pepper, mixed lettuce and a fried egg.

            Also a mandarin orange and four big mugs of coffee. No cream or sugar in the latter, but a shot of vodka in each.

            When you want to run cool, you have to run on heavy fuel.

          • Another day, and yet there is still no Michael Christopher Scott authored cookbook on my shelf.

          • MBlanc46

            As a GERD sufferer, I usually lay off the chiles and diced onion for breakfast (I’m supposed to lay off them entirely, but life without chiles and raw onion isn’t worth living), but I think that I could murder one of those for the main meal. And I’m not sure what the morning’s work would look like if I began the day with four shots of 80 proof.

          • You might be approaching the matter from the wrong direction. I believe work is a means to an end, such as vodka in my morning coffee, rather than an end in itself for which I should suffer.

          • MBlanc46

            I quite agree. I have found, however, that with rare exceptions, “work then drink” works best for me.

          • I don’t mess with welding equipment, machine tools or motor vehicles after mornings like those.

          • MBlanc46

            That’s a very wise course. I find that I have enough trouble with a typewriter keyboard after a couple of glasses of wine.

          • stewball

            What’s ‘GERD’?

          • stewball

            Oh Michael. I’m dribbling. That makes me feel sooooo hungry.
            I had a chocolate croissant heated for 15 seconds in the microwave. I wouldn’t drink your coffee though.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Yep, I know all too well what many, but not all blacks eat all the time that is just bad all around for anyone’s health. Some do eat right, given that I work with older black men who are in pretty good health for people a decade older than myself. And yes, I do enjoy rye bread, sometimes by itself. Right now I am thinking of a Hot Pastrimi sandwich on Rye bread.

  • Stogumber

    Fascinating: Williamson, even if he writes for a political journal, has no clue at all how life
    in Appalachia could be improved. Obviously he doesn’t believe in Adam
    Smith or in Austrian economics (hey, it’s nonsense that people could get more wealthy by themselves, without foreign input). The decisive point for economy in, in his eyes, the natural inequality of men: The stupid Appalachians can get more wealthy only with the help of “elders and betters”, who must be attracted to come (back) to Appalachia – which will improve Appalachian economy in a magical way.
    Now, that’s a proposal. Whites separatist are constantly looking for a refugy – why not find a refugy in Appalachia, where they are not harassed by Liberals and may have a positive impact on local economy?

  • IstvanIN

    Doesn’t Obongo want to impoverish Appalachia even more by destroying the coal industry?

    • r j p

      It’s called creating government dependence and a voting bloc.

    • I suspect the really big hit the coal industry has taken in recent years has more to do with the current US oil and natural gas boom than anything President Oogabooga did.

      • dd121

        You may be right but he’s on camera saying in effect that when he rose to power he was going to shut down the coal industry.

    • dd121

      It’s all being done by government decree and bureaucratic tweaking. There’s no public hearings, legislative vetting or judicial review. Sadly, our once great country is quickly devolving into a dictatorship.

  • Funruffian

    I’ve come across White trash folks quite a few times. While I haven’t anything in common with them besides being Caucasian, I rarely felt threatened or had a hint of menace from them.

    • willbest

      They aren’t above theft though.

      • Geo1metric

        I don’t think anyone is denying the “humanity” of Whites. Very few Whites have been classified as saints.

        • ben no

          Whites are denatured.

          • Geo1metric

            Meaning?

          • ben no

            Denatured. A denaturing. Meaning they are treated less than human and denied basic needs and desires that all races are given as a birth right.

    • ben no

      When you call poorer people “trash” it actually makes you trashy in character.

      • White meth users certainly seem trashy to me, but that’s because they’ve stolen from me in the past.

        • Alexandra1973

          Look at the “Bad Breeders” site–it’s where they post about people who are in trouble for child abuse. Most of the time they’re on drugs. That’s almost a given.

    • stewball

      I dated a sort of ‘white trash’ for 2 years in England. The nicest boy and family I have ever met and no he wasn’t Jewish. A big no no. God help me if my parents had ever found out!

      • stewball

        ROMULAS. I got on better with non Jewish people. I think that’s part of the reason I came here.

        Ben no. I’m sorry if you think that. Maybe I should have said a ‘poor’ white boy. There really was nothing trashy about him. Poor uneducated but kind and good.

  • JohnEngelman

    Even when poor whites and Orientals have low rates of violent crime. This is because they have the longest traditions of civilization. For several thousand years the criminal justice systems of civilized countries have removed those with criminal inclinations from the gene pools of those countries.

    Blacks have high violent crime rates because they are closer in number of generations to a way of life in which the most skilled killers had the most wives, and consequently the largest number of sons.

    • Geo1metric

      How do you explain the violence potential of Chinese and Japanese soldiers during war.

      I fully understand that the sanctioned violence of war is not quite the same as violent crime, but at another level, violence is violence. My point is that the genes for physical violence still exist in Whites and Asians.

      • IstvanIN

        Soldiers are trained for war, not to mention, I would imagine, the survival and adrenaline factors. And what do they call when people become inured to something?

      • WR_the_realist

        All groups are violent during war. It is the only time being violent and murderous is sanctioned by the state.

      • Katherine McChesney

        My father told me that So. East Asians during war are unsurpassed when it comes to torture. They are a cruel race of people. Even their ceremonial eating habits call for torture of animals and fish.

        • Max Krakah

          They staked some Americanan POWs to the ground above bamboo shoots so that the bamboo shots grew through them and killed them. Bamboo can grow more than a foot in a day

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            During WW-II members of the infamous Japanese “Unit-731” tied Russian, American and British POW’s to logs five feet apart and detonated munitions to find our what the lethal bursting radius was. This was one of many examples of how cruel Asians really are. This atrocity and many others was why at the end of the war two million screaming Russians attacked them a second time during WW-II and made short work of them in Manchuria before they were poised to storm Japan itself. The first time Marshall Zhukov crushed a Japanese attempt to invade Russia just before WW-II broke out in 1939. Two cities flattened by nuclear bombs and the thought of hordes of Russians avenging this and their humiliating defeat during the Ruso-Japanese war of 1905 gave the Japanese every reason to surrender when they did because they knew what the righteously vengeful Russians would do to civilians thanks to Germany.

    • ben no

      I don’t think it works quite that way in the gene pool.

  • shawnmer

    Notice that these poor Appalachian areas have every single one of the ingredients: poverty, young motherhood, lack of education, welfare dependency, and a LOT of guns per capita, that the left blames as the raw materials for inner city black violence … Without the violence!

    These parts of Kentucky, West Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc, ought to be war zones by their logic. Imagine that.

    • Frank_DeScushin

      I raised your exact points with a Lefty. His excuse why Detroit has so much more crime than Appalachia was population density. You see, population density explains the desire to rape and murder.

      • shawnmer

        Oh, well of course. Close proximity brings with it an insurmountable urge to rape, steal, and do drive-by shootings. Everyone knows that! (sarc)

        There will ALWAYS be an excuse with these imbeciles.

  • John R

    You can make fun of “trailer trash” all you want: But I haven’t heard of them flash mobbing stores, playing the “knockout game” on innocent people; engaging in drive by shootings, etc. Just goes to show that even the worst all-White community is better than a typical black community.

    • sbuffalonative

      They may be poor by financial terms but they have a community that doesn’t use poverty as an excuse for violent, destructive behavior.

      If the end of the US happens, it will be these isolated regions that will survive intact while black communities devolve into Zimbabwe .

    • Romulus

      Thank you for that!

  • Romulus

    My heart aches for the descendants of my ancestors. Excepting the poor soldiers who destroyed each other at the behest of northern industrialists, if I could go back in time, I’d turn every last one of them ( greedy industrialists) into fertilizer.
    Just for the record, the last person to use the phrase “white trash” in my presence, had his jaw wired shut for six months.
    Choose your words carefully. Just a friendly reminder.
    Witnessing the disintegration of our people ,country and culture, I have two prevailing emotions. Rage and sadness. I will fiercely defend all attacks, whether verbal or physical against the last remaining founding stock of our once great nation.

    I have just one other thing to say to all who feel deep empathy to our people , either north or South,
    DEO VINDICE!!!

    • Geo1metric

      An excellent read about the people who settled the Appalachians is BORN FIGHTING by James Webb. Webb is a former Senator from Virginia and from the Virginian Appalachians.

      Deo Vindici!!

      • Romulus

        That is a great book. I too have a copy.
        Im very protective of America’s Scot/Irish southerners. My oldest ancestor was one of the founding council members of Jamestown circa 1607.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          I, too. Are you an Archer?

          • Romulus

            Very proud of your past, you must be!

          • itdoesnotmatter

            I am. And not apologetic for descending from slave owning families, on both sides. At least they had jobs.
            A will left by an Archer ancestor instructs his wife to free their slaves if they serve her well for a period of five years after his death.

          • Romulus

            You asked me what my Southern ancestry was. I am descended from the Mitchell clan.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Excellent clan with good genes, Romulus.
            A friend and colleague of mine is a 6’2 wavy haired blonde, blue-eyed Mitchell as well. His father was a Top Gun and ace pilot in the USN. We called my friend, “Ace,” in remembrance of his dad.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Excellent clan with good genes, Romulus. Congratulations. A friend and colleague of mine is a 6’2″ wavy haired blondish, blue-eyed Mitchell as well.
            His father was a Top Gun and ace pilot. We called my friend “Ace,” in remembrance of his dad.
            The Archers were originally disgruntled Normans.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            William Archer and his manservant were among the first in Jamestown.

            The Archer family seems to be descended from a certain Guillaume L’Archer, who accompanied William the Conqueror on his invasion of England. The Archers eventually settled in near Stonehenge, though I believe the American branch actually came via Ireland.

            They were not Irish, by the way, which makes St Patty’s day an interesting one for me, ha ha…

            Archer is a great old Norman-English name and I’m proud to wear it myself. Bowman is the Saxon equivalent, of course.

          • Geo1metric

            Campbell, Beecham, Beauchamp, Fairfield, are all the same name.

        • Tom B.

          Same here laddy!! our last name is said to be one of the oldest from Scotland–we probably came from the Picts–and yes I am a fighter too when need be.

          • A very old saying goes, “The Englishman fights when he must, the Irishman fights because he knows no better, and the Scotsman fights because he honestly likes it.”

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Ha ha! Reminds me of my college days waiting tables and bartending. Once a lovely young American woman who worked there married her sweetheart, a fine young Scotsman over here playing soccer and attending the same university.

            Our restaurant hosted the reception and the Scots came in with their kilts and had a grand old time.

            At some point during the festivities I almost ran into the groom’s brother, a burly little fellow pretty liquored up by then…

            “Ay yer a big’un. Wanna fight?”

            “Um, maybe when I get off my shift?”

            “Sure!”

            He was unconscious by then, of course. Nothing personal, he seemed to like me, you know. Just wanted to have a fight, lol…

            I get it though. Got some highlander blood in me too.

          • Tom B.

            I did enjoy a good scrap in my younger days—it irks me that so many white boys are scared of blacks—I have fought more than a few and won most–like Josey Wales said when things get really bad you gotta get plum mad dog mean!! If the white man doesn’t reach inside and find this rage again he will lose it all.

          • Geo1metric

            Cue the “WHEN THE SAXON BEGAN TO HATE”.

          • My ex-father turned up at my flat in Randwick in April 1998 to see why I had not showed up at the lab in several days. I looked like a complete wreck, and explained that I’d had my (moderated) kicked outside a pub. The other two guys didn’t look too good either; I blinded the big one. The big Ocker sure hit really hard, and kicked me in my head the several times he put me down. He ran away stumbling after I hooked a thumb into each of his eye sockets.

            I got the second one two months later when he was stupid enough to yell about my camo jacket with the Croatian “checkerboard” collar tabs and how I had blinded his friend. “It’s Christmastime”, I thought to myself. That wasn’t really a “fight” per-se; he tried to run away up a blocked alley. I punched him in his solar plexus to put the wind out of him so he couldn’t scream while I knocked his teeth out against the edge of a garbage dumpster.

            I don’t fight fair.

          • Tom B.

            Bravo!! my old pappy tried to raise me up to be a gentleman and so I tried to restrain myself to some degree. BUT!! he always told me — if you’re given no other choice — win the d##n fight no matter what it takes. Fair fights are for the ring—street fights are life or death. I fear we are a dying breed—most of the young white men I meet have no stomach for a fight. I never really understood how fear can paralyze some men–I guess my temper always overcame that emotion and once you start swinging the old battle lust takes charge. When I was a boy growing up in the 50’s on the farm we were taught to be manly–learn to work, hunt, fish, and fight when necessary. My dad wasn’t real tall but uncommonly strong–he could back up to a bale of cotton ( with proper straps) and lift it off the ground and walk ( about 500 lbs.). On a bet–he would take a 12 in. crescent wrench and place it on a suitable bolt/nut along with something to restrain him from pulling himself forward–and with one hand he would either break the bolt or the jaws of the wrench. He was a peaceful man but not one to push—I have tried to live up to the standards he set but it ain’t been easy!!

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            LOL, damn your dad was strong, like some of my maternal relatives who did live and die on a farm. I have snapped 3/8-inch bolts with a ratchet drive because stainless steel bolts and nuts gall and seize up as tightly as if I welded them. I also have a very mean temper that a couple of blacks made the mistake of arousing because they cornered me in my own dorm room. Needless to say, I gave better than a got even through they were a lot bigger than me. I do not show it normally, but when I do it frightens people as it well should. Not all city folks lack the stomach for a fight, I prefer to avoid them if I can because of the anti-white injustice system. When you have the kind of temper I have, you definitely do not want it ever to run unrestrained. Hurtful words and deeds are like nuclear missiles which cannot be recalled once said or done.

          • Tom B.

            Truly good to know there are still strong men out there who have what it takes. I just wish I were younger and had the stamina. Don’t worry though—I’ll do my part when the time comes. I am not out of the fight yet!!

          • stewball

            I brought my son up to be a gentleman. It sort of worked but then he went into the army for. 4-5 years. But he’s well mannered. Most of the time.
            Not when he shouts at me though and he’s pretty strong. He was a paratrooper.

          • Gilbert Jacobi

            stewball,
            I’ve got two sons in grade school. I’m always worrying about the toughness/gentlemanliness balance. You want to make them tough enough to survive, without turning them into brutes. If it’s not too personal, would you mind describing what your son shouts at you about? Nowadays they’re saying genetics determines most of personality, but I’d still like to avoid mistakes in ubbringing as much as possible.

          • stewball

            Oh gosh nothing very serious. He’s a wonderful son. Sometimes I annoy him and it’s my fault. I’m a chronic depressive and very weepy. He gets upset but I shouldn’t have said he shouts. It’s rare. Sometimes he thinks I’m not behaving properly! And he gets all British on me.
            I tried to bring him and my daughter up the way I was brought up. England in the 40-60’s. I succeeded better with him than his sister. Lol.
            He’s polite. Not violent. A wonderful husband and father. Much better than I was. A mum not a dad!
            Discipline is important, manners, honesty, stand up for friends. All this is important and that’s how he turned out. He’s 43 now so he’s allowed torraise his voice now and again. Of course I wouldn’t have dared to raise my voice to my mum. My parents never raised a hand to my sister or me.
            Children nowadays do what they want.
            Where do you live?

          • stewball

            Why ‘Ex’ dad?

          • Gilbert Jacobi

            Mr. Scott,
            I lived in a roach-infested Randwick flat, right across from Uni NSW, which I attended in the late ’70s. Some coincidence, eh?

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Exactly, a reality that Slavs live and breathe, and I have put into practice on a few blacks faces who deserved it.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Oh, and I love this old Irish proverb…

            Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you fight with your neighbor. It makes you shoot at your landlord…

            And it makes you miss him!

            HA HA!

          • stewball

            I like that 🙂

          • Romulus

            The Mitchell clan. My grandmother traced her ancestry all the way back to 794 AD, Norway

    • IstvanIN

      I wonder if any northern members of congress supported the South’s right to secede?

      • Romulus

        To my knowledge, I can’t say with any accuracy that there were. It is certainly possible. Quite a few northern generals were southerners, so it is plausible. Worth looking into.

      • Brian

        I don’t know about during the CW, but there were some prior secession movements in the north. Also,

        President James Buchanan
        gave a different voice—one much more accommodating to the views of the
        secessionists and the ‘slave’ states—in the midst of the pre-War secession crisis. In his final State of the Union address
        to Congress, on December 3, 1860, he acknowledged his view that the
        South, “after having first used all peaceful and constitutional means to
        obtain redress, would be justified in revolutionary resistance to the
        Government of the Union”; but he also drew his apocalyptic vision of the
        results to be expected from secession

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Copperheads. Northern sympathizers with the Southern cause. Many Union generals were very sympathetic to the South, and at least one high level Confederate general, Pemberton, was a northerner connected to the South via marriage.

      • Romulus

        That is a possibility,but most likely having to do with secessions constitutionality.
        “The South was right” is a book that covers that to some degree, if memory serves.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      I only use the term “white trash” when referring to coal burners and oil drillers and hard core w!&&ers.

    • Andy

      I see “white trash” as something of a compliment to whites. It implies that trashiness is not the norm among them.

      I know some people who are “white trash”. Their vices are those typical of blacks: they have children they often don’t take care of with a bunch of different people, they are rude and showy and self-centered, and they don’t hesitate to milk the system. Occasionally they are violent.

      It is obnoxious that you can’t make fun of “ghetto blacks” but it’s open season on “white trash”. Certainly a good amount of the time the term is used to degrade whites in general. Still, it’s a useful one. We do have our underclass, and addressing it means speaking frankly about it.

      • Romulus

        Any honest person knows that we whites have our underclass, the same as any other. I take issue with the hypocritical double standard.
        The aforementioned verbal assailant used the term as a vicious pejorative gleefully. .
        So chicken soup became his staple. I will not tolerate abuse, physical or otherwise of our people by anybody in company.
        I know all the good and bad of Americas white rural poor and STILL would rather be in their company than a bunch of Greenwich village h*m*s, suburban soccer douches, and elitist fools.

        • Andy

          “White trash” is not white rural poor. It’s the people you hear cursing at their toddlers from down the street every day, the people pulling disability for their drug addiction or gambling their unemployment, and the people who have fits in public places because someone didn’t recognize how “classy” they are. Both of my parents were white rural poor, and none of their family members or neighbors acted that way. (Of course, we had better social checks in place in those days; but on the other hand my father’s hometown hasn’t changed much in terms of wealth but still has almost no crime and has a peaceful, decent atmosphere.) White rural poor I would gladly live among; white trash is another story.

          • Romulus

            However the term is defined,….. I don’t care for it.
            We shouldn’t even use it amongst ourselves. We should be helping our fellow whites.
            Sure, there will be folks that will not be convinced, but you won’t find a more receptive flock than the American South and Midwest.

    • stewball

      I’m sorry. I spelt your name wrong. The speller should have corrected it.
      I don’t speak Latin. God vindicate?

      • Romulus

        Loosely translated,.. Yes. The more practical meaning being God will vindicate us.
        It appears on the great seal of th CSA. Confederate states of America.

        • stewball

          Yoohoo. I managed to sort of loosely translate without ever learning Latin which my big sister did. I just about managed English 😉
          But God – if you believe – will vindicate us of or from what?
          (do you like cats!)!

          • Romulus

            As I just explained, the words are the motto on the seal of the Southern states. Are you not familiar with a fraction of America’s history.

          • stewball

            No. Not really. Sorry.

    • stewball

      I told my dad once years and years ago that I’d like to have been born in the time of George IV aristocracy and not to have been Jewish. But that’s just romanticism not real life. I am what I am I suppose.

      • Romulus

        That is exactly the same argument that the indigenous people of Europe have been trying to make since before Rome!

  • DailyKenn

    .
    Does poverty cause the crime? Or does crime cause the poverty?

    Turns out they’re both trick questions. It’s not a chicken-egg, parent-child relationship.

    Rather, the two are often siblings, twin children of low intelligence.

    Psychologist Arthur Jensen demonstrated that males with IQs between 70 and 90, aged 18 to 49 commit nearly all violent crimes. That same lack of intelligence also causes poverty, though not all poverty is caused by low intelligence.

    The low crime rate in Appalachia reveals that poverty can be circumstantial rather than inherent due to low intelligence and, when that is the case, it is reflected in a low crime rate.

    • the sound the flood the hour

      The reason why they account for most of the crime is because criminals with low intelligence are the only ones that get caught and punished. The ones with moderate to high intelligence become bankers and CEO’S.

      • BonusGift

        So true, especially these days. Another related point is corruption itself. For example, China is one of the most corrupt countries in the world but the corruption per se is not typically precisely monitored and measured. It’s kind of a version of the old “if a tree falls in the forest but nobody sees it …”. Therefore, many, possibly most, crimes are not reported, or even measured; yet it is that which is often not reported that makes a place a bad place to live. For example, even many brainwashed idiots can sense that a black area is a bad place to be both because of measured crime and unmeasured crime and other negative externalities; yet a brainwashed idiot may only after the fact realize that it was much better to live in a poor section of Appalachia than a poor section of Guangdong province (e.g., pollution alone).

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Actually even petty criminals with some brains can get away with more than many would guess.

        • the sound the flood the hour

          True.

    • Alexandra1973

      I wouldn’t say one’s the parent of the other, more like siblings.

  • Mergatroyd

    Anyone here think this area will be one of Obama’s designated “promise zones?”

  • JJCULLEN

    Still sounds better than any Northern Big City

    • MBlanc46

      Depends on which side of town you live in.

      • LACounty

        If it depends on what side of town you live in, the other side is too close.

        • MBlanc46

          You apparently like smaller towns. Other people like big cities. Different people have different ideas about what constitutes “quality of life”. Usually, access to big-city amenities means the presence of a black ghetto somewhere in the area.

          • LACounty

            I’ve lived in Los Angeles County all my life. At one time decades ago, it wasn’t so bad. I’ve lost my trust in big cities. Seems they attract quite the crowd. No offense to you, sir.

          • MBlanc46

            De gustibus non disputandam est.

          • LACounty

            Yes. Or, “De gustibus non est disputandum.”
            Any connection to Mel Blanc?

          • MBlanc46

            Only a certain similarity in our names. And a deep love for Warner Bros. cartoon characters.

    • LACounty

      Exactly. Very few if any big cities don’t stink. The smaller the town, the better the people and overall quality of life. On average. You may be able to get a higher paying job in NYC or L.A., but look at what you have to deal with.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Yep, they stink of unwashed black and brown people, literally along with generous helpings of excrement.

  • r j p

    I grew up in West Virginia, a stone’s throw away from Appalachia. I don’t like that it is okay to write these kinds of stories about White people, but not blacks.

    We are not all a bunch of dumb a** hicks. Do you know how hard it is to leave an area that has no jobs? What do you use for money to leave? To whom do you sell your house?

    Yes there are people with problems in Appalachia, but beginning with the Carter administration, the ways people in Appalachia made their living have been systematically destroyed – coal, power, chemicals, and steel.

    • MBlanc46

      I think the answer to that isn’t that we stop telling the truth about poor whites and start telling it about poor blacks.

  • How true is it that there’s a lot of mixed blood in Appalachia?

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Some. Lot’s of folks with Amerindian roots. The Scottish traders and early frontiersmen often intermarried with the native stock and companies of “Scots-Cherokee” militia were called from the area to fight in the War of 1812.

      Like most who claim Amerindian descent, however, these people are, of course, White. But a claim of like 1/16th Cherokee (which means al LEAST 1/32nd as a result of who was counted as “Indian” and when in early census) gets you some money from somewhere, so…sure, “I’m an injun – gimme my money. And I’m proud.”

      Oh well. Regardless, beware bloated reports of “mixed blood” in Appalachia. Some truth but also some bizarre attempt to “unWhite” a group of poor Whites in order to turn them against their race.

      • r j p

        You would think they would want us to unWhite.
        That makes the USA more diverse.
        Oh but wait we are still White ……

        • NeanderthalDNA

          I thought about that too, RJ. The hillbilly is white when we are encouraged to disparage him, but must be unWhited in order to explain his poverty. Or something.

          I’m sure “critical theory” has some amusing and confusing ruminations regarding this, lol…

      • pcmustgo

        Hey, guys. I’ve been flirting with this guy from Kentucky who I thought was one of the whiter white guys I know. Long blond hair, blue eyes. Turns out his mother is…. non-white of some kind, meaning mixed, perhaps “melungeon”, definitely some american-indian in there, maybe a tiny bit of black. It’s very clear when you look at pictures of his mother. She looks like a puerto rican almost.

        • Max Krakah

          with each generation, there are genes that do not get passed on. If a person is 1/16 ancestry, that means at MOST, he is genetically 1/16. Chances are he is much less genetically. Genes do not mix. A person carries TWO genes for pretty much everything, only ONE is expressed, that being the dominant one. Only one of those two genes is passed on to the next generation. with each generation of mixing into the white population, a mixed line will not pass all of it’s minority genes on. Chance dictates that on average, it is half. So a person who is 1/8th indian by ancestry, is most likely genetically 1/16. Seeing as how Blonde hair and blue eyes are recessive, I would say that it is most likely the minority was bred out of his line by his generation. Keep in mind that a very small percentage of human genes are actually different, so much of the minority genes that are passed may in fact be identical to the non minority genes. So then, chance again dictates that the important genes, the ones that make us different , will get bred out over time.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          Yeah, the Melungeons do have some Black genetics in them, but communities like theirs exist in remote areas of non-Appalachia as well. For decades they tried to tell folks that they were descended from Berbers or Turks or something bizarre (but basically non-Black) like that.

          My theory is that in genetics as in all other areas, the cream rises to the top and the dregs sink to the bottom eventually. Genetics are important, but not my only yardstick when determining “whiteness”.

          1. Look White
          2. Act White.
          3. Live White.
          4. Self identify as White.

          3 to 3.5 of these usually does it for me. Usually.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          Use your best judgement.

  • fuzzypook

    “the last redoubt of the Scots-Irish working class that picked up where African slave labor left off”

    This makes me furious. It is always assumed that black slaves were involved in every aspect of building this country. Blacks were NEVER a significant population of Appalachia. And definitely not Eastern Kentucky. There WERE white slaves/indentured servants in Appalachia. Of course that is never mentioned! I live and grew up in Kentucky. When I was a kid it was a common misconception that slaves built the rock walls that we still see around the countryside when in fact it was Irish stonemasons.

    • Katherine McChesney

      The abundant number of rock walls in Middle Tennessee were built by Irish stonemasons and many years ago I heard the same myth that blacks built them. What I do know about blacks in Tennessee is that they worked in the fields along with poor whites.

      • Look all over Western Europe and you will see the same rock walls in and around the fields and pastures. The winter freeze-thaw cycle brings loose rock to the surface, and the easiest thing to do with these rocks was to build walls nearby, rather than hauling the rocks any major distance.

        It seems vanishingly unlikely to me that blacks from tropical Africa would have had to develop any such approach, since tropical Africa does not have freezing weather. European transplants, on the other hand, would have known what to do with the rocks right away, when clearing fields.

    • Greg S

      News flash. In 50 years all we will hear about is how the alien Mexican built this country.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    I know this qualifies as rainfall on a parade, but I do not agree with a romanticized view of impoverished Southern or Dust Bowl culture.

    To this day, the Sacramento Valley interior, where I came of age, teems with their descendants. Visiting a sister who maintains a home in the old hometown, I see them in droves. Distinctive in demeanor, one can easily pick them out in a crowd. You might be surprised to hear that these folks are still failing; it’s as if they never left the circumstances that brought them here.
    A disproportionate number continue to live in poverty, require government assistance, use drugs [meth, the drug of choice], underachieve, butcher the Queen’s English, and cluster together in areas that they litter with trash and junker cars. The women smoke, their faces typically the smoker’s wrinkled face, scream at/beat on their kids, have long, stringy, oily hair, dress in a slovenly manner, have poor posture, missing teeth, many are morbidly obese. The men drink, smoke, often don’t work, abuse their wives and kids.
    I will say this: you are not unsafe in their neighborhoods. Are they often drunk and disorderly in public? Yes.

    • WR_the_realist

      The various different psychological traits that distinguish the races all lie along some bell shaped curve and there is significant overlap. The worst whites are similar to the average blacks.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Furthermore it appears that even these Whites spin off a success story more often than other groups. The success story then leaves and never comes back, leaving the low curvers.

        All I can say is this…

        Always been poor people, likely always will be. Cannot perfect this wicked old world.

        But I still think our country would be just fine if the worst we had to deal with were poor Whites…

      • itdoesnotmatter

        The worst whites are similar to the average blacks.

        Gratefully, what is absent in most Whites is the innate, impulsive, violent nature, [except for our psychopaths], found in most blacks.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          This is precisely why White monsters are so much more monstrous and interesting.

          They are actually a very rare breed and whatever people think they think about race, there is a certain lurid shock value such monsters elicit precisely because people expect pathological behavior from Blacks but not from Whites no matter what yarn Hollywierd and the Universities spin…

          • itdoesnotmatter

            This is precisely why White monsters are so much more monstrous and interesting.

            I agree. Remember Ted Bundy, the monstrous serial rapist murderer whose pathology included revisiting burial sites of his victims and raping their bodies postmortem? On the surface, Bundy presented as charming, affable, educated, articulate, had attended law school. He even volunteered for the Seattle Suicide Crisis hotline, covering the night shift with Ann Rule, an author of true crime books. In her book, “The Stranger Beside Me,” she admitted that his act was so smooth she did not sense into his lethality.
            After being sentenced to death in Fla, self-serving though the plea may have been, TB suggested that psychiatrists, criminologists, forensic criminal behaviorists keep him alive for study and teaching purposes. I think it was a valid suggestion.
            He was, as you say, a White freak of nature whose motives were muddled. Sooner or later he would have revealed himself.
            Other Whites serial killers’ cases have been similarly sensationalized because such behavior scandalizes and shocks us. No parents or demonstrators step forward to wail, “my baby din do nuffin,” or “no justice no peace.”
            In most cases, Whites scream for appropriate retribution when their own commit heinous crimes.
            Recall that once it was discovered Wayne Williams, the Atlanta serial killer of black children was himself black, the media toned it down for obvious reasons. Just another black monster, nothing to see here, move along. Many blacks to this day believe Williams innocent, that he was the victim of racism.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            When Whites go over the deep end like that (or are BORN over the deep end as appears to be the case with the worst sociopaths) it is shocking and terrifying. Sinister. One White psychopath with a decent IQ can do some real damage, and of course it shocks all the more.
            When a black goes all apes#!t it is seldom so well planned and rather ho-hum. Oh, another black went apes#!t and did something horrific. Oh well.

  • fuzzypook

    In the 40’s and 50’s W. Virginia produced more scientists per capita
    than any other state (my father being one of them.) Many of them went on
    to NASA and put us into space. There is a movie about one of those
    scientists, I wish I could remember the name of it; he built a rocket in his
    backyard when he was a kid.

    • This may not be the movie you’re thinking about, but A Beautiful Mind starring Russell Crowe was about West Virginia native John Nash.

      • r j p

        Rocket Boys

        Rocket Boys (also known as October Sky) is the first memoir in a series of three, by Homer Hickam, Jr. It is a story of growing up in a mining town, and a boy’s pursuit of amateur rocketry in a coal mining town. It won the W.D. Weatherford Award in 1998, the year of its release.[1] Today, it is one of the most often picked community/library reads in the United States. It is also studied in many school systems around the world. Rocket Boys was followed by The Coalwood Way (2000) and Sky of Stone (2002).

        Rocket Boys was made into a film in 1999, titled October Sky (an anagram of “Rocket Boys”). The book was then re-published as October Sky shortly afterwards. from Wiki

    • Geo1metric

      Was it Goddard as in Goddard Space Flight Center?

    • Romulus

      The movie was about Homer Hickam starring Jake gyllenhaal.

  • Capt. Bryant

    Hank say’s a country boy can survive.

  • Geo1metric

    My area in neighboring Pa. is very similar. My wife and I visited Helvetia, WV a couple of years ago. Swiss settled Helvetia. Great day trip.

    • texasoysterman

      From Mingo County’s Wiki page:
      Politically, Mingo County is well known for its opposition to current President Barack Obama. In 2008, Obama netted only 8 percent of the vote in the Democratic primary, one of his worst performances. In 2012, despite Obama being the presumptive nominee, Democrats in Mingo County voted for Keith Russell Judd, a convicted felon who was the only other candidate on the ballot, over Obama.

      A convicted felon over an unconvicted felon.
      snicker.

  • MikeofAges

    But he was a good character actor. I thought he would have been a great George Babbitt in the day, if some had made the novel into a film in 70s, 80s or 90s. The only sound version was released in 1934.

  • LACounty

    The high crime rates in black areas they attribute to lack of jobs, poor schooling, unwed pregnant teens and mothers. In this story they mention 150% the national unemployment rate, unwed teens/mothers, yet 2/3’rds the national crime rate and half the national violent crime rate.
    Liberals will attribute it to poor Appalacians being too lazy too commit crime.

  • dd121

    Eskimos! You’re speaking of Eskimos.

    • bilderbuster

      The New York Times is Eskimo owned & you better only speak highly of Eskimos if you want your book to even be reviewed or to make their top 10 list.

  • Andy

    Traditional Christianity has more in common with Paganism than with modern-day “Christianity”. Both respect God, the natural order, and man’s duty to them. Modern “Christianity” tends to try to wriggle a loving, all-forgiving friend in with the Tolerance, Acceptance, and Diversity of popular culture. I believe in the God of Gimle, and see the Aesir as myth or legend, and being a Christian I hope for your conversion. However, I would not say I “oppose” you, unless we are debating theology, and even then we will probably have a good amount in common.

    • Alexandra1973

      There’s traditional–evangelical, “mainstream” Christianity and Catholicism–then there’s TRUE Christianity, which is simply a relationship with Christ and accepting Him as your Saviour.

      Racial separation is Biblical. God separated us by geography (the dividing of the earth–I’m assuming it’s Pangaea–during the days of Peleg), by language (tower of Babel), and by race (Shem, Ham, Japheth).

      True Christianity has nothing in common with paganism.

  • Dave4088

    Poor, white locales actually have lowest violent crime rates in the nation. Loony lefties always tell us that poverty breeds crime and have twisted themselves into knots trying to explain this (from their point of view) anomaly to neo-Marxist social theory.

    But the low violent crime rate just means Appalachia is a bastion of white skin privilege. Once the non-whites receive word they will probably invade their living spaces, too.

    • Geo1metric

      “Once the non-whites receive word they will probably invade their living spaces, too.”

      I would caution them not to.

  • BonusGift

    No room I there for the likes of Jack London or John Steinbeck; Mark Twain?

    • Sick of it

      “Twain grew up in Hannibal, Missouri, which provided the setting for Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer. After an apprenticeship with a printer, he worked as a typesetter and contributed articles to the newspaper of his older brother Orion. He later became a riverboat pilot on the Mississippi River before heading west to join Orion in Nevada.”

      -Wikipedia (though it should have been obvious from his writing!)

      • BonusGift

        Yes, and …; and BTW, his actual name was Samuel Langhorne Clemens.

        • Sick of it

          You honestly think I don’t know that? I was quoting part of his Wikipedia page.

          • BonusGift

            I suspected you might; did you honestly think I didn’t know he was from Missouri? Next time I’ll write “sarc. off.”

          • Now that you’ve mastered Mark Twain, it’s time to round you out on other prominent Show-Me State authors:

            * Robert Heinlein
            * T.S. Eliot
            * Tennessee Williams

      • dd121

        Also, he briefly fought for the Confederacy. That makes him a Southern writer in my book.

  • Katherine McChesney

    O’Connor’s books were liberally peppered with the N-word. Apparently she did not think much of blacks.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Cite your source?

    • Anonymous

      http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204301404577170733817181646
      Stop pretending that lower class White people are the best people on earth. They are not anywhere close to upper class and upper middle class White people when it comes to education, income, staying married, having kids within marriage, avoiding crime, etc.

      • Geo1metric

        But they are White.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        I believe the article cited some figures and I’m sure lower class Whites do evince such behaviors more than middle or upper class Whites.

        So what? The fact that as the article stated, the crime rate in Appalachia is only 2/3 the national average and 1/3 the national average of violent crime…

        Says to me even lower class Whites are better than their worsers. And quantifiably so…

        Who are you? If you are White are you the type of snob that would throw your own under the bus? If you are not White I don’t appreciate your disrespect for my folk.

      • Jesse James

        That’s one opinion. All I know is that when I was in the Infantry and looked to my left and right it was almost always lower or lower middle class whites who were with me. It has been a long long time since upper class whites exercised their responsibility to take their place in this nation’s “shield wall”. Once it was understood that with great privilege comes great responsibility, the last time that many of our elites volunteered to serve in combat zones was WWII. I know he was a Brit but when Churchill stepped down from his position as Lord of the Admiralty after the debacle at Gallipoli he volunteered to serve in the trenches as commander of an infantry battalion and he personally led men into the hell of “No man’s land”. America has too many privileged people with too little sense of responsibility or loyalty to their own people and nation.

        • stewball

          Not just America.

      • Geo1metric

        If you are using money as the definer of “class”, you are way off base. Just because a person is economically poor does not mean they are “low class”.

        Many financially secure people have no “class” at all.

        • stewball

          Nouveau riche?

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Well according to crime statistics cited in the above article…
        Lower class Whites are statistically significantly “better” than lower class non-Whites.
        As I’ve said, sociology works fairly well within the context of properly defined legitimate groups. The problem comes when false unities are imposed on fractured groups in classical Boasian fashion.

      • stewball

        Stop thinking all the rich well educated upper class is the salt of the earth. Divorce. Violence. Abuse of wife and children. All behind closed doors. Oh Dr. Blah couldn’t be like that. He’s such annice man. So polite etc until they see him coming out of his house handcuffed.
        Don’t for a minute believe because of education they’re better than the uneducated. They’re not. Evil etc is in every man no matter what.

      • stewball

        Avoiding crime? Embezzlement is a big one. I know it’s not a biggy but it’s a rich man’s crime.

  • Max Krakah

    yeah, I tend to doubt the validity of this statement. Divorce is a ticket to poverty for one thing. A middle class woman who takes the kids often times ends up poor.

  • Max Krakah

    yes, it was a piece of nonsense

    • JohnEngelman

      What did I say that you disagreed with? Can you prove that it is not true?

      • Max Krakah

        As an academic, the FIRST, THE VERY FIRST thing you should know, if you are not a PHONY that is,is that you don’t ask people to PROVE A NEGATIVE!!!! YOU never proved that it was true, you gave us nothing but the most ridiculous conjecture!

        • JohnEngelman

          Most of my essay was a review of a larger essay by anthropologist Peter Frost.

          His basic argument was that the the harsh Roman policy toward criminals and rebels removed those who were inherently physically aggressive from the population of the Roman Empire.

          Consequently, over time rebellions and the crime rate in the Roman Empire declined. However, the same population that was less inclined to commit crimes and rebel from the Empire was less willing to join the Roman Army to protect it from invaders. This made the Western Roman Empire vulnerable to the Germanic tribesmen who eventually overran it.

          I added two assertions to Peter Frost’s essay. First, the same Roman Army that killed physically aggressive criminals and rebels attracted physically aggressive men while reducing the number of descendants they would have. Second, in the Empire there was a more intense selection for superior intelligence than there was in barbarism.

          A theory like that cannot be proven with the assurance a hypothesis in chemistry or physics can be. Nevertheless, it provides a plausible and new explanation of the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and the reasons races differ in average intelligence and crime rates.

          • Max Krakah

            all conjecture. One can never defend a thesis by saying “but you can’t prove it ISN’t true” . that would get you kicked out of a PHD program and told never to return. It was a total waste of your time and the professors time.A conjecture is just that, a conjecture . Frost’s argument was mere conjecture, no proof, no examination of events elsewhere in the world and other populations.

          • Geo1metric

            I read your article, and now I am dumber for having done so; shame on you!

            Seriously though, you and Peter Frost both need more schooling.

      • Geo1metric

        You cannot prove a negative.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Back in the 60’s I rode a school bus to school in Northport, Alabama. Many ‘poor white trash’ rode it as well. I witnessed a hair-pulling, blood drawing fight between two girls over a boy. It nearly scared me to death. It was a “WorldStarHipHop moment’ in my young age of 12 or 13. Kinda like “Housewives of Atlanta”.

  • Max Krakah

    I grew up in an upper middle class town. We did not have a single girl get pregnant either. I found out years later though that several had abortions. One girl had FIVE abortions while in high school!!!

    • Anonymous

      Every abortion means one less baby growing up in a single mother home on welfare. This applies to all races and social classes.

      • Alexandra1973

        Not necessarily. There are married women getting them too. Sometimes it’s due to vanity–don’t want their figures to go again.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Country music. I despise it. It’s worse, in my opinion, than Rap and Hip Hop. And I’m from Nashville. I am downright embarrassed about this trash music and the fact that my city funnels so much money into promoting it when we could invest it in better presentations by our local museum, The Frist and our bankrupt symphony. Even black dominated Memphis has better culture than Nashville.

  • Max Krakah

    well, you offer us nothing but the anecdotal, it means nothing. I can offer you some anecdotal. We would visit my grandparents every week when growing up. We saw the demographics of the neighborhood change from old wasp, italian, and Irish to Peurto Rican and Black. Never any problems until the change. Then, shortly after he had a new neighbor of the new demographic when we visit him we hear this story : his next door neighbors tried to steal his air conditioner right out of his window, not even being subtle about it. Maybe they thought he wasn’t home. He started yelling and said he would call the police and they ran back into the house next door. So you have an anecdote about a barking dog. I have an anecdote about a neighbor that tries to take an air conditioner right out of the window.

  • Alexandra1973

    As I’ve been saying. West Virginia may be one of our poorest states, but last time I checked it’s about 95% White.

    I once worked with someone from Clay County, WV. She said they ran blacks out of that county. They only let this one stay because he made some pretty good moonshine.

  • Brian

    True. North GA has some excellent motorcycling twisties, and nice scenic views, restaurants and produce, some good B&B’s….and little Diversity.

    This is one of my ancestors… guy had a pet bear that he used to drive around in his convertible jalopy.

    http://www.unioncountyhistory.org/Home/Genealogy%20/MountainMists/styled-104/page193.html

  • Alexandra1973

    There was a pay phone in this small town until a few months ago. Looks like they’re going the way of the 8-track and records.

    • Gilbert Jacobi

      You can’t have them in my hood. They are too much trouble to maintain, what with people vandalizing them and trying to rob them. Then they don’t work much of the time, either, and it’s really annoying to be on the other side of the wall where one of them is attached when someone starts screaming into the phone or beating on it in rage for loosing money.

  • fuzzypook

    That is my plan for retirement. I live in KY but my father’s side of the family comes from WV. Mingo County mostly. I love it there. I hope the squat monsters stay out. That is my greatest concern for WV.

  • Geo1metric

    Most people I know consider the entire eastern mountain range from alabama to Maine the “Appalachians”. Good enough for me since we’re not producing maps for drone strikes. The “Smokies” being a sub-set.

  • Geo1metric

    It was about fifteen years ago, and I did not have a cell.

  • dd121

    When you look up at the mirror while driving down the road, that image your see is America receding in the distance.

  • Geo1metric

    Thanks for the suggestion! I notice the Scottish saltire, or Saint Andrews Cross, immediately from which the Confederate battle flag was derived. And I love Highland music! I think blue grass and “southern mountain music” comes directly from highland music.

  • Geo1metric

    Pennsylvania is often described as Pittsburgh in the west, Killadelphia in the East and Alabama everywhere else. We like it that way too.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Discus be actin all wack an s#!t today…

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Either Discus is screwy or that guy is a much bigger donor to Amren than I or I said something not acceptable but…

    Twice I’ve tried to reply to the Wonder Bread thing, offering a brief history of Wonder Bread (the first sliced bread) and pointing out how the term, “white bread” is anti-White and kind of suggesting I disagreed with his analysis but they went away.

    I think it’s Discus though. Or perhaps a cyber attack. Noticed some other funky stuff.

    Also noticed the thumbs up/down thing is buggy. I fingerfarted and thumbs upped myself somewhere and it took. Then I noticed some of my thumbs ups had disappeared.

  • Greg S

    Very well stated. Call me a race realist.
    Might Whitey over and out.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Of course there are White people like that and of course there are White people who you would not want to live by. Look at “the curve” and focus in on the left end of it. Now superimpose the black “curve”, for instance and compare/contrast.

    I used to hate country music too. Saw it as an embarrassing mark of abominable stupid white trash hillbilly redneck inbreeding and all that hateful stuff. But when I started to shake off the chains of White genocide and rip out the insidious tendrils of White genocide propaganda…

    I came to truly appreciate the real talents of the genre (like Johnny Cash to name one), enjoyed the honky tonky cornpone of the lesser talents, and decided to turn up the good country music at work. Keeps the darkies moving on after they make their purchases too, not unlike classical music.

    I consider 90% of artistic creation to be some form of rubbish or polished mediocrity, including country music, but the good stuff is good.

    Country music is the modern descendant of a long line of White folk music. Shares much in common with Celtic music and other traditional European styles. To disparage it wholesale seems to me a sign of some form of White guilt/shame.

    • MBlanc46

      Commercial country music appears to be largely the same sort of crap that most corporate entertainment is. But there’s still a lot of real roots music out there. It’s hard to beat a bluegrass band or old timey string band.

  • john boggs

    That’s interesting. Never heard the Pennsyltucky reference. In between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, the state is indeed very conservative. Obama beat Romney 52 to 48 if I remember correctly. If you looked at a pic of the state on election night, it was completely red. It looked as though Romney won 100% of the vote. Remarkable what happened when one zoomed in closely. Pitt, Phila and a tiny dot over Harrisburg were blue…and Obama won the state.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Indeed, that’s it, and one of the few movies I can remember to come our recently that doesn’t mock or malign whites from start to finish too.

  • stewball

    What absolute bull. They’re probably equal. Too many of the ‘upper’ class – class in 2014?
    How many men divorce they’re wives to marry the secretary and then she finds he’s doing the same with her replacement etc. Or exchange for a ‘younger’ model. I would imagine most of the ‘lower classes’ get divorced due to financial problems.
    I wish you well Alexandra1973.

    • The rule about cheating in a marriage is that someone who will cheat with you will always later cheat on you.

      • stewball

        The silly little secretary should know that.
        Why is it okay for a man to go out with a girl young enough to be his daughter but not for women. Normal double standard.

  • Lady Gag’s latest album is hardly selling.

    Justin Bieber’s concerts aren’t selling out like they used to.

    But George Strait is still selling out football stadiums for his upcoming concerts. That’s George Strait, as in a third of a century on a major record label this year, longer than either Justin Bieber or Lady Gag has been alive.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Whatever you may say about Bieber…

      That’s the cutest lesbian in the music business! HAR HAR!

  • NeanderthalDNA

    My old man was glad too. He would have been in “Operation Olympic”, the invasion of Japan, which may have ended up devastating Nippon far more than a couple of puny sized nukes.

    He, like many others, was ready to go home after two years fighting in Europe. Had a daughter at home he’d never seen.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Sherman was none too happy about a lot of things as well. Regretted his strategy of burning and pillaging but realized the South would not be broken softly.

    Did his job.

  • Feet2Fire

    “The countries of my heritage are being bombarded with chaotic, violent, arrogant, pitiful, distasteful Muslims.”

    Well, Viking: They are not “INVADING,” they are being ALLOWED IN by the IDIOT POWERS THAT BE. Just like here in the States. A lot of good your PRIDE is going to do, to put a stop to any of it. To stop the flushing of America down the toilet, we need to kick these destructive Powers That Be to the curb, vote them out, get them OUT of any positions of POWER.

  • Geo1metric

    Nice, thanks.

  • Geo1metric

    The answer is in the book, BORN FIGHTING by James Webb

  • Geo1metric

    What’s your point?

  • NeanderthalDNA

    That’s a very fun flick. One of the few modern ones to portray mountain folk in a positive light.

  • Geo1metric

    They would make a great mistake from which, I suspect, they would never recover if they entered my county. As we say around here, ” A Pennsylvania country boy will survive!!

    My favorite long gun cartridge is a .338 Lapua magnum. If you are not familiar with it, and enjoy guns, you will enjoy reading about the characteristics of this cartridge. Now a .308 is a formidable round, and has been used by the US military as a sniper round for decades. The .338 has the same kinetic energy at 600 meters as the .308 has at the muzzle.

    Do I own firearms? Let’s just leave it at, yes, I do.

    • My own favorite centerfire rifle cartridge was 7.92 X 57 Mauser.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      My favorite rifle cartridge was the .308 Winchester, and I became a really good shot with it too, after I learned how to reload really good ammo.

  • Geo1metric

    My opinion is that “class” has more to do with moral and intellectual structure.

    • stewball

      I thought class was done away with after the 2nd WW! I see it’s still alive and kicking in the 21st century.

  • Geo1metric

    Admirable sentiments.

    I don’t see Whites here excusing bad behavior; I certainly don’t. And I will be the first to admit that you will find bad behavior in every race of people.

    We are talking about aggregate behavior here.

  • stewball

    And it’s 50% for the ‘lower class’ and 50% for the upper. Don’t be so naive.

  • stewball

    I’m unable to read the book or to see the film ever again.

  • stewball

    What about William Golding? Not Jewish have no fears.

  • stewball

    Married with children was so gross. I never watched it again.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Japan attempted to invade the Soviet Union just before WW-II was started by Germany invading Poland on Sept. 1 1939. They sent a large force into Mongolia with the goal of invading Russia itself in 1938, which led to an undeclared war being fought until the outbreak of WW-II where by that time the Japanese were defeated and forced back into Manchuria. The general who led the Russian counter-offensive was Marshal Zhukov, whose armies rolled over the Nazis like a red tsunami in more ways than one. At the same time, Russia was preparing to storm and take Japan, and they had no qualms about killing even greater numbers of Japanese civilians than they killed German civilians.

  • Dave4088

    Don’t put words in my mouth. But to your point, Mass has a higher violent crime rate than WV (using 2011 data) and Vermont and Rhode island are such tiny states and if you combine them their population approaches that of WV’s. And if you combine their violent crime rates it totals approx 385 per 100k which exceeds WV’s 315 crimes per 100k based on 2011 census crime statistics.

    I would have provided hyperlinks except my comment keeps getting rejected when I do.

  • TeutonicKnight67

    “Yes but there is a TON of divorce in lower class White communities”.

    -which is indeed unfortunate since divorce is so financially and spiritually devastating. It is truly a game for the wealthy.

  • Gilbert Jacobi

    Just heard Hasil Adkins, of Boone County, Ky., first time! HOO BOY, there’s some powerful feeling in that man’s voice. Strange, wild stuff! Have a listen, all who’ve never heard him.

  • MBlanc46

    I’m long enough in the tooth that I remember them for the movie theater: two features, a news reel, a cartoon, and the coming attractions. Plus a plea to visit the lobby for popcorn and a drink.

    • LACounty

      Same here. A fun time in the late 60’s, us kids in the back seat at the Drive-In. I don’t remember when the movie “Willard” came out, but I do remember the line of cars going around the block at the Gardena Drive-in. Our usual place was the San Pedro Drive-In or the Warner Theatre in San Pedro. Those drive-ins are no longer there. I believe the Warner is.

      • MBlanc46

        The were several drive-ins here in the Chicago area and it was cheaper for my folks to take the family there than to the indoor theater. And more fun for me. As far as I know, they’re all gone now.

  • stewball

    @romulus!
    Good God No!!!!

  • MikeofAges

    Hope you see this at this late date. The “hippies” are only one example of a white group who are “not alienated from their aboriginal”. Where they are in contact with blacks, they get along pretty well with them because they are generally peaceful and not hostile to blacks and black culture.

    Other white subgroups which could be construed as “not alienated from their aboriginal identity” are “bikers”, Appalachians, rural Southern whites, Northern blue collar workers, many others. It has a lot to do with appearance and attitude. Not all get along quite the same with blacks, obviously. Or vice versa. The idea here is that ongoing efforts to alter one’s appearance and reject traditional folkways is seen as a negative. To me it’s intuitive.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    The writer is at least honest. Violent crime is low, unlike in the Black ghetto, where the high crime stats only scratch the surface of the actual level of violence. While violent crime is low, and that is a positive testimony to the people of Appalachia, drugs are a huge problem. What the writer does not mention is how modern America fixates on Blacks and other non-Whites, while the people of Appalachia suffer silently. This is why drugs and alcohol are so bad there. Folks feel hopeless. Libtards in the burbs figure folks here are happy, because they have respect for others and a basic decency, and the resulting lack of violence in their society. They assume that because life here tends to be quiet, that somehow folks here are happy. Nothing could be more false. Lives of quiet desperation is more like it. Quiet despair. Folks who leave are leaving quiet desperation behind, and trying to shed the stereotype of being a “Hillbilly”, an epithet that hurts when you are from Appalachia.
    We must not forget how much of this desperation results from the Negrocentric media and pop culture that has developed over the past 50 years in America. Negrocentrism has created an entertainment industry where disgusting, untalented Wigger boys like Eminem become millionaires. Meanwhile, the talented fiddle players and old time musicians of Appalachia may make some extra gas money at best with their immense talent. The writer had the right idea when he mentioned youth having an appetite for Kanye West. He forgot to mention that, until about 10 years ago, local boys like Lynyrd Skynyrd and .38 Special reigned supreme in Appalachia, and a good guitarist still knew he might make it big if he plugged his guitar into an amp, and played some heavy riffs. The writer forgot to mention how much local talent has come out of Appalachia, and still exists there, but is ignored by the mainstream music industry that is enthralled with Negro worship, and tells youth that good Bluegrass is hillbilly music. Racial realism and a return to European culture could make stars out of many a Bluegrass fiddler and banjo player who presently plays for joy and a little extra cash, and drives a truck in order pay the bills.