The Downside of Diversity

Economist, January 21, 2014

The closest thing the business world has to a universally acknowledged truth is that diversity is a good thing: the more companies hire people from different backgrounds the more competitive they will become. {snip}

But what about the downside of diversity? {snip}

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It is far too easy to present “diversity” in one-sided terms: as a triumph of enlightenment over bigotry and creativity over closed-mindedness. But the subject is too important to be left to the cliché-mongers. Diversity can bring risks as well as benefits and perils as well as perks. There are trade-offs to be made, for example between the trust that comes from sharing a common background and the cultural sensitivity that comes from employing people from different parts of the word.

Roy Y.J .Chua, of Harvard Business School, is one of the few academics to produce serious studies of this subject. Mr Chua agrees that in a world of multinational corporations and global product markets success depends more than ever on your ability to foster multicultural thinking and cross-border collaboration. But in a paper in the current issue of the Academy of Management Journal (“The Costs of Ambient Cultural Disharmony: Indirect Intercultural Conflict in Social Environment Undermine Creativity”) he goes on to note that getting people from different nationalities and cultural backgrounds to co-operate is fraught with difficulties. At best differences in world-view and cultural styles can produce “intercultural anxiety”, at worst outright conflict. The very thing that can produce added creativity—the collision of different cultures—can also produce friction. The question is whether the creativity is worth the conflict.

Mr Chua argues that creativity in multicultural settings is highly vulnerable to what he calls “ambient cultural disharmony”. Tension between people over matters of culture, he says, can pollute the wider environment and reduce “multicultural creativity”, meaning people’s ability to see non-obvious connections between ideas from different cultures. “Ambient cultural disharmony” persuades people to give up on making such connections because they conclude that it is not worth the trouble.

Mr Chua also says that “ambient cultural disharmony” has its strongest impact on people who regard themselves as open-minded. Closed-minded people expect cultural tensions. Open-minded people don’t expect them and so react to them more strongly. In another irony, Mr Chua also discovered that the only people who are not affected by cultural conflict, at least in terms of creativity, are the people who are at the heart of it. They are more likely to explain the problems in personal rather than cultural terms.

He tested this thesis in three studies. In one he surveyed participants about the amount of cultural disharmony they found in their networks at work. In a second study he asked some subjects to recall a recent conflict between two contacts from different cultural backgrounds who disliked each other. In the third he asked his subjects to watch a short video that depicted one of the following scenarios: intercultural conflict, same-culture conflict, intercultural harmony. He also measured creativity in a variety of ways, for instance by testing participants’ ability to solve word puzzles or their skills to produce products and services for different cultural groups.

In all three studies, subjects who had a greater experience of ambient cultural disharmony fell short on one or another of Mr Chua’s measures of creativity. Mr Chua says that he is not certain how much of a problem this is because his is the first study to identify it. But his results are important partly because many companies have such an optimistic view of cross-cultural pollination and partly because the second-order effects of cultural conflict (particularly among people who regard themselves as open-minded) are so hard to manage.

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  • NeanderthalDNA

    Oh my gosh, whose toe will I step on today and how will I navigate the minefield of trying to not offend this easily offended product of diversity. Whose tendency to be easily offended and expect me to censure myself I find infuriatingly offensive…
    Yeah, I get it. I really do.

    • Max Krakah

      In mexican culture, rape is considered courtship. Try to put one of them in a corporate setting and see how that goes.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        In Colombia they do unspeakable things with donkeys and consider it good practice.

        • Kenner

          Oh, my god, Juan Valdez….?!

          • Erasmus

            Didn’t you ever wonder why his donkey was always smiling?

        • Whitetrashgang

          I guess that’s part of the reason they vote for the democrats, reminds them of their first love.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          The Mexicans also have their world-famous Tijuana donkey show. Get ready for the cultural enrichment.

          • Max Krakah

            does it involve someone with a detachable peg leg?

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Doesn’t D.C. have a donkey lobby??

      • Katherine McChesney

        I knew a Mexican woman in Santa Monica who told me her father and brothers raped her when she was young to ‘get her ready for marriage’.
        She was an accomplished artist, but morbidly obese and had a house full of cats.

        • Max Krakah

          Sounds like a movie on the “mexican lifetime network”

          • Katherine McChesney

            She was a single mother to a male child who claimed he was a homosexual. I just found him on facebook. Now it appears that he is transgendered and living in Seattle.

          • Max Krakah

            That is hurting my brain

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Maybe the LGBTQ crowd can find something warm & fuzzy in it?

          • Max Krakah

            ahhhh, they are all looking for the man inside them

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Their inner man?

          • Sick of it

            They would certainly find something familiar about the story…

          • Svigor

            Refugees from Mexican culture.

        • Whitetrashgang

          Well in Canada a native girl losing her virginity usually says Dad your crushing my smokes.

        • Max Krakah

          Try picturing the two cats from “Speedy Gonsales” doing this.

        • Erasmus

          But, but, but they add so much to our culture. Heaven forbid the US should be a safe place, like it was before 1965!

          • Max Krakah

            In the Boston area, the mexicans and guatemalans drive their souped up hondas in packs on 93, weaving in and out of traffic with loud stereos thumping. They have been known to back into a white guy on a motorcycle then drive blocks dragging the guy to his death as the guy screamed wildly!

        • Who Me?

          I read an article once that claimed that many people who are “animal hoarders” were overwhelmingly sexually abused as children. The childhood abuse tends to trigger a desire to “save” all the animals the person comes in contact with, and then they overdo it, leading to some horrific situations.

        • Morbidly obese and a houseful of cats? Well, I guess it’s easy to understand why the poor girl grew up to become a “crazy cat lady”.

      • dukem1

        They probably think they can rape themseves to the top!

      • Alexandra1973

        So where are the feminists?

        Oh, right–white males are the most dangerous creatures on the planet….

        (Note the sarcasm.)

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          See my comment above – Obama’s reaction to the news that 1 out of 5 women on colleges campuses get raped. Doesn’t realize yet that it’s his “sons.”

    • SwarmDoctor .

      You can thank the Jewish Supremacists for this diversity. But of course, Jared Taylor and the Amren gang are too chickensh8it to expose the Jews.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        There does seem to be some skittishness there. My observation is the same.

        • SwarmDoctor .

          Thank you! I’m so glad I’m not the only one who notices this. But of course, any mention of this and it will get deleted. Just watch. This will get deleted too.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Yeah, we’re history. That is unfortunate. It was nice meeting you, though. 3-2-1….

          • SwarmDoctor .

            Lol. Yup. Nice to meet you too. Perhaps I’ll see you around other comment sections though. Other than the fact that the Jewish question is not examined here (which really irritates me), this is an informative site.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Just the fact that Rabbi Engelman isn’t on permanent moderation mode is testament to your point.

          • SwarmDoctor .

            Indeed.

            But thank God for David Duke.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            ” Other than the fact that the Jewish question is not examined here (which really irritates me), this is an informative site.”

            I agree and would love to engage you on this but as you and Andrew pointed out it’s rather pointless since yes, it likely will get moderated, if not utterly obliterated.

            On the other hand I’m rather thankful since it means I don’t have to argue about it. Gets wearisome after a bit but fun for a while.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            It is reaaallly difficult finding a truly objective website in that regard.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Swarm doctor, 27 comments, 28 votes. Hmmm….

            Speaking of potential agitprop, looks like lovelyheidi’s either for real or GOOD agitprop, eh?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Still dicey. I think she’s truly a good German girl who is really doing her homework, but still watching and listening.

          • Max Krakah

            too good to be true, must always be on guard when that happens

          • NeanderthalDNA

            If she’s agitprop I hope she’s getting paid, ha ha. Still think funrufian’s got the best legs, though…

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Less radar hits on funruffian. NCpride also seems legit.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I’ve never suspected funruff. Nor NC pride. Should I have said that?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Well, they all sound like young attractive women. So, that being the metric…

          • I tried introducing the topic on the site I guest blog at (angrywhitedude) but…let’s just say it didn’t go over too well.

            (bit[dot]ly/1d0dmPJ)

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yeah, I think that’s the main reason they nix it fast. It can get very ugly very fast.

            Happened here once for several reasons and boy did it get nasty. Thought I was at stormfront. Huge obliteration resulted.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            So maybe that’s why. So, if that’s the case, they need to throttle down the Rabbi.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Hmmmmmm

        • NeanderthalDNA

          You’re playing with agitprop of some form, methinks, but enjoy.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Certainly not bowing to agit-prop, if that is your point? I don’t bow.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            He does have a point. Not much of a point debating considering the window we have usually before the hammer comes down.

          • Epiminondas

            Hey, it’s Miller Time! Your dialogue is still up after an hour!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            stunned as you are….

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Baby Zuckerbird and the Scamberg have been especially conspicuous in that regard.

        • Max Krakah

          The minute a jew gets some power, the inborn agenda surfaces.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Well————>kiss that post guh-bye!!!!!!!!!

          • Max Krakah

            FEH!, SO YOU THINK I DON’T KNOW THAT?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            testing the envelope

          • Max Krakah

            If I do not get something deleted every now and then, then it means I am still the person I was 20 years ago that would not walk up and hang the phone up on the stupid ghetto B**** and tell her to do her job!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Yes, sack exercise. Like naked yoga. I get it.

          • Max Krakah

            truck nuts, you know someone will make you remove them bout it’s fun while it lasts

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Look at that. Bloody efficient, eh?

          • Max Krakah

            Engleman is playing with us

          • Max Krakah

            Everything is transitory

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yer reinforcing him!

      • NeanderthalDNA

        “But of course, Jared Taylor and the Amren gang are too chickensh8it to expose the Jews.”

        Some form of leetspeak won’t protect you from the axe. Certainly not rudeness. Real human beings will peruse this sooner or later and cut through any attempt to disguise such.
        Like for instance, calling the owner of the website and leader of the movement c#!ckn$!t should get deleted or even obliterated pretty fast regardless of how you spell it.

        • Max Krakah

          Never mind, Thuhhhhhhhrston had a Fahhhhhhhhhhbulous time in Turrrrrrrrkey.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            This might get obliterated, not unlike my response to the black twitter thing the other(yester?)day where I just puked up a dozen or so allcaps variations on the word “OOK”, followed by a black English vernacular rendering of a commonly used profanity. No amount of leetspeak will save ya when you ook too much, my friend…

            By the way, I’ve noticed they tend to slap yo Krakah a$$ down in a heartbeat, ha ha!

        • AndrewInterrupted

          And I respect AmRen’s leniency in this matter (so far).

        • Junk Man

          agree

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Now this is interesting.

        • SwarmDoctor .

          Technically you’re right. I should refrain from using such language but sometimes my irrational side gets the best of me out of pure frustration.

          • Max Krakah

            whiskey balls

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Now this is interesting….

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Split personality today, Doc?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I do understand, believe me. I’m a pretty slippery fish but have had a few moderations and actually slightly more obliterations.

            The obliteration is when all record of posting disappears. Usually this is the result more of lame attempts at humor or pithiness, though once I praised that fellow from Norway too stridently and almost thank the good mod for that obliteration.

    • The adverse impact on creativity was mentioned in the original article. It should be stunningly obvious that the hassle of navigating the social and career hazards of society’s obsession with Political Correctness would harm creativity by making people even more risk adverse than they already are. Additionally, If I was a project manager with a deadline, the last thing in the whole world I would want is for my team members to be pestering human resources with their juvenile political games.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Well, when one misapprehended slip of the tongue or something utterly innocent is uttered and enters the earhole of some arrogant, presumptuous, jerk with a chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind…

        The net effect seems to squelch creativity and good risk taking.

    • Svigor

      Lol, “the downside of ‘Diversity.'”

      It’s much quicker to list the up sides…

  • dd121

    Is there an upside?

    • Bartek

      Lower salaries….

      • dd121

        From a certain point of view that’s still a downside.

        • Bartek

          Of course it is a downside, unless you are a robber baron.

    • sbuffalonative

      We all get to feel good about ourselves and we can flaunt our moral superiority.

      • Max Krakah

        we’re told that we can’t eat bananas at work because it is racist

        • dd121

          I hope that’s a joke. If not please say where.

          • Max Krakah

            I remember the story but when I did a search too many other things came up

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I will give you a story on that topic then.

            Intel got shaken down by a black man (or woman) employee who claimed to be offended by the wording in several Intel procedures. Within the procedure there was repeated wording about ‘placing a device into a jig. Apparently the word ‘jig’ offended him/her. They had to take meetings to agree if the word was even registered somewhere in the tabu word index (wherever that is).

            Ultimately Intel submitted and rewrote all the procedures with the word ‘jig’ in it and replaced it with the word ‘fixture’.

          • dd121

            I have fallen from heaven and am now chewing the carpet!

          • Max Krakah

            duuuuuuude, like I feel yah man!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            God as my witness.

          • mobilebay

            So now we have “fixturesaw,” fixturesaw puzzle,” “Irish fixture?” Why am I not surprised?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Jesse Jackson and the LGBTQ people stole our rainbow, too.

            I’m thinking about rallying some of my Irish brothers and sisters and starting a national class action suit against those two groups for unauthorized use of an Irish cultural icon.

            They’ve been insensitive to our culture. They must embrace diversity. That means: mo munehh, mo munehh, mo munehh.

            Cough it up, b!tches!

          • Brian

            Sue someone for saying ‘hooligan’ or ‘paddy wagon’.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I’m thinking we should all nominate ourselves ‘thought leaders’ and send them to ‘diversity training’.

          • Brian

            One place I worked made us waste a whole day in ‘diversity/sensitivity workshopping/roleplaying’. The company actually paid us all not to work that day, and all we got out of it was the implied message of ‘you better watch what you say, wear, and do, or else’– it actually made things worse. Anyone can get busted for telling a joke, and anyone can be a potential informant: settling a score, angling for promotion, being a do-gooder. It destroys trust. We may as well call these ‘diversity consultants’ what they really are: ‘crimethink commissars’.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Yes, I had similar Orwellian experiences at a couple large corporations. I will never work for a large company again.

          • dd121

            When he didn’t share his candy I hope nobody thought he was niggardly.

          • Brian

            I got bothered for referring to hard drives as ‘master’ and ‘slave’…told to say ‘parent and child’ instead. Idiots!

          • Anthony

            When I first went to sea as a Mate on ships we had Loran “A” the signals/transmitters were called Master and Slave, this was long before Satellites.

          • Brian

            In cars, you have the master cylinder and slave cylinder in the brake system. A/V tape decks are time-code synced with one supplying master timecode and the others as slaved. And hard drives in PCs of course. It’s common industry practice. But try telling that to a boss who got promoted through nepotism, and spends half the day looking at pregnancy websites.

          • I regard the computer terms “master drive” and “slave drive” as insensitive, so I always use the terms “pimp drive” and “b****” drive” instead. I hope this keeps everyone happy.

          • And the optical drive is the john?

          • Alexandra1973

            But now you have these “children’s rights” dolts who think “parent and child” might as well mean “master and slave.”

            What was that George Orwell was saying about language?

          • Brian

            The thing that rankled me about ‘parent and child’ beyond just the PC motivation, is that P&C, in software engineering, has its own specific meaning: a code module/function that spawns something, another function or object, is the parent, and the spawnee is the child. One creates the other, but does not necessarily issue orders to it. But M&S would refer to some process that issues commands, not necessarily one that creates the other. My boss had never heard of these two concepts and thought they were interchangeable, thus destroying linguistic precision.

            That irritates me, like when someone takes ‘UFO’ to mean ‘flying saucer’…we already have a term for flying saucer– oddly enough, it’s ‘flying saucer’. UFO was invented for its own distinct meaning.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Oh, was that the diversity solution? I remember you told me the first part of that story.

            I remember you said The Cultural Marxist ‘thought leaders’ threatened to banish you to ‘Diversity Training’?

            Which I guess is a re-education camp minus the sledgehammers.

          • Brian

            Yes, initially, there was talk of punitive ‘diversity training’. When I was able to show that the master/slave thing was not something I personally invented to be Super-Rayciss, then the response was downgraded to ‘use a different terminology’.

          • Mergatroyd

            It’s no joke. I remember Neil Boortz talking about it. A black woman saw a cop eating a banana during an MLK parade, considered it an affront and all hell broke loose.

            http COLON mhking DOT mu DOT nu/archives/067455 DOT php

          • Whitetrashgang

            Any video?

        • Alexandra1973

          Are you serious!?

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Methinks she doth protest too much….

  • D.B. Cooper

    when I saw the headline, I thought it was one of those Amren classic articles because I could’ve sworn I saw an article with this exact same headline over 10 years ago.

  • Austen Layard

    “In all three studies, subjects who had a greater experience of ambient cultural disharmony fell short on one or another of Mr Chua’s measures of creativity.”

    What are the odds that those who scored poorly for creativity were minorities whose idea of ‘ambient cultural disharmony’ involved feeling discriminated against by ‘privileged’ whites?

    • Laika

      What White would agree to be a part of this study, especially one conducted by a Chinese? You couldn’t pay me enough because I wouldn’t trust him not to label me an irredeemable racist and turn over the results to my employer or government officials.

      I wouldn’t trust a thing that came out of this study, Whites these days are too cowed to give out their true feelings about diversity and multiculturalism. Diversity offers us nothing except anti-White legislation against our people and overt discrimination against us in the workplace.

  • Max Krakah

    The conflict has been disastrous in the small company for which I have worked. We have had foreign born people work for us that do things that are not acceptable in our culture, such as taking money to put some work orders ahead of others. The person giving this money was also from a foreign culture. When this was found out we tried to gently reprimand our employe, who was new, that this was not acceptable here. WE told him that he was not in trouble, we were just trying to inform him how things should be done. The subject of this story flew off the handle ,he took it very personally and quit. WE didn’t want him to quit though, it was not a big deal. There are cultural differences that are just too big to overcome in some cases, there is a lot involved,propriety, personal honor, a refusal to accept how things are done here .

    • John R

      And that is just one company. Ditto for the entire country.

    • Kenner

      Max, care to share his ethnicity? I’ve noticed Subcons can be pretty hot-headed.

      • Max Krakah

        Not a subcon, further east Philippines . I think he was emotional, like a woman, if you get my drift.When working with him I always felt like he was an overbearing mother.

        • Kenner

          Max, that was my second guess, seriously. I’ve had the displeasure of working with the entire dingy spectrum of diversity.

          • Max Krakah

            lots of snakes eh?

      • pcmustgo

        Did you hear about how I had cups thrown in my face and was racially abused/told nasty comments about “white people” while doing catering work for east indians? On two separate occasions?

        • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

          When I worked for LAPL, we had substitute workers who were usually part-timers looking to make some extra money or retired people who wanted to stay active. They’d get called in whenever someone called in sick and there was no staff to cover. But due to the heavily East Indian, Persian and Jewish community surrounding the Encino-Tarzana branch, all the subs refused to work there. The patrons were infamous for hurling abuse at the staff, especially White staff.
          .
          I was told that at the black middle-class branch in Baldwin Hills “they don’t charge fines there”, because the community would start throwing things. When a Jewish woman was appointed head librarian there, she was forced out because “the community wanted someone black.” After that, appointments were made by race.

          • Mergatroyd

            What is LAPL?

          • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

            Los Angeles Public Library. Prior to working there I had no idea that libraries could be he11ish places to work, but consider how they are built almost entirely on western ideals of free learning, learning for its own sake, personal betterment through self-directed study, responsibility demonstrated by borrowing and returning, quiet and civilized behavior – pretty much the antithesis of TNB and other minority behavior – and when Whites disappear they become targets of theft, vandalism, providers of shelter, heating and A/C, entertainment and internet pornography for the idle and useless, free daycare for the irresponsible, organs of propaganda by the Left.

    • Druid

      a refusal to accept how things are done here
      ___________________________________
      Sir, well stated. But I have one thing I think should be clarified. What you witnessed wasn’t a “refusal.” It was an inability of the foreigner to measure up to the Standard within your company.

      • Max Krakah

        I think he felt he was being accused and at the same time he was not able to view the situation that we view it. He was quite up font about it at the time so there was no question that he was being secretive. He came to us and asked us if we should split the money, and we said, what money?It was actually comical.

        • Mergatroyd

          The whole point of diversity is to create disharmony and discord. It keeps out focus off of those who are destroying our economy and handing over the U.S. to third world non-Whites, IOW, this is being done on purpose to destroy White Americans and our unique culture.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Maybe, but I tend to think that most lefties sincerely believe in it.

    • Massif1

      Was he Indian? Indian is known for corruption in private and public sectors. You bribe your way to get things done.

      • Erasmus

        And when that sort of behavior metastasizes into our culture, as our fellow Americans are forced by circumstance to employ it to keep up, it becomes harder and harder to root out.

        Tearing down is always so much easier than building up. “Celebrate Diversity!” is a load of Barbra Streisand.

        • Max Krakah

          care to guess what nationality the wheeler dealer was that was making the “tips”?

          • Erasmus

            Someone has already suggested Indian, so I’m going to wager that he was East Asian, Chinese or Thai, people who are among our “model” minorities.

            (Or was he “Russian,” via the Middle East?)

          • Max Krakah

            NO, Russian

          • Erasmus

            Imagine that.

          • Mergatroyd

            Much worse and far more dangerous.

  • John R

    There is a downside to diversity? Hey, there are MANY downsides to it. That is what we have been saying on this website over and over!

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      Are you kidding me? There are nothing but downsides to diversity.

      • Druid

        I agree sir, but there’s a way of fighting it. It’s our job to find that way and we will.

  • Manaphy

    I don’t like this article’s title, because it implies that there is an “upside” to divers(h)it(t)y.

    • Erasmus

      Good point. With a title like this, one half expects future issues of The Economist to feature articles on the downside of cancer or of a stroke.

  • Max Krakah

    This reminds me of an incident when a gas station filled my tank with water. They had just had a tanker fill their underground tank, but it was raining heavily and water got into the system. The car in front of me had stalled about 50ft after it left the pump. I thought nothing of it. Guess what, my car didn’t make it ten feet. But then I noticed that there were two or three other cars that were stalled. I hadn’t payed attention to what had been going on. The attendants were from nigeria, or haiti. They were too dim to make the connection even though they saw four cars stall after filling up. THIS is the KICKER though, after talking to each other we all found out that our cars stalled right after filling up and we figured out they put something bad in our cars. WE all went to the garage door to talk to someone. The black guys were telling us to “go way, we are closed”. CLOSED? They never are closed. This is a service station at a rest stop on 128 near Boston. NOW, when they have damaged people’s property they are closed and won’t talk to anyone? Anyway, we eventually convinced them to let us speak to the owner or manager. WE found an American guy who looked extremely miserable. WE were not going to lynch him, we just needed a phone number and a name to send the bill for the damages. Any such business in the US would most likely have insurance that would cover such a thing, and the fuel delivery company may be found at fault in the end anyway, and they are definitely insured. All I can remember is “go away, we are closed” and a look that told me that he was ready to kill me. He obviously came from a culture where a customer would kill him if this happened, instead of peacefully resolving the matter. He obviously came from a culture where they never get insurance and this would bankrupt the guy. The owner in that culture would probably kill the guy driving the gas truck that filled the underground tank and let the water infiltrate the system. There is a definite reason why America is such a shining success, and it has a lot to do with just plain being civilized, and christian.

    • bigone4u

      Great story, well told. And one of the best examples i’ve seen as to why diversity is NOT our strength.

      • Max Krakah

        I remember now that I did hesitate, I asked them why that car was stalled, and they guy shrugged his shoulders. I missed a job because of this, so this is one of those times when I really wished I had trusted my instincts. Let me tell you about another such time. THIS is REALLY rich, and involves a STARK contrast of HOMEGROWN cultures that, IMHO are DNA based!
        A couple of decades ago I worked for the company that was contracted to do the Santa Photos in a Big Name local department store in the Downtown Crossing section of Boston, a store that sadly no longer exists. This store had a policy of hiring black girls for seasonal help, it was their “do good”,” let’s help them and right some of the wrongs ” policy. My various duties were to take the pictures, crop them, insert them into “ornaments” or cards, depending on what the cutover wanted. The store got a percentage of our sales, we handled everything, the Santas, the product etc.
        There was always some friction between the girls int the ghetto program and the staff of our company. They were rarely on time,and sometimes never showed up at all, but were strangely never fired. They were also up to stuff. They always had bags of things and none of us dared to question what was going on but it was clear they were stealing from the store. One girl was especially difficult and would regularly start jammering away about something or other, such as there credit card that the store gave her for working there, which was just revoked, or some such story about money or other problems, always told with the animated head bobbing and belligerent, threatening tone. She was also the one with the most bags, so it seemed she kept up this intimidating front to keep people from asking questions. She also ALWAYS was badmouthing the store that gave her this job for the season, and ALWAYS was badmouthing the pay. None of us that worked for the subcontractor liked these girls but we saw them as being representatives of the store, so I had some confusion anyway about who had authority over whom. THIS is what led me to hesitate and NOT do what I so deeply wanted to do, what I actually visualized myself doing but didn’t, and what I so badly wish I could go back in time and rectify, because it would be so delicious and so right!
        Here’s what went down, It happened this one time that I, this creature, and one of the Santas were the only people working in the department. These girl were the ones who worked the register, not any of the subcontractors employees. So she was at the register, I was taking the pictures then going in the back and putting together the final product, and Santa was being Santa, dying for a cigarette break. So I take the picture and go in the back room to mount it. I come out and the creature is on the phone, making a personal call and every other word was the F bomb ,the MF bomb and several other family unfriendly words. The cutover was standing right there, with his little girl, I remember he had a European accent and for some reason I think he was from Belgium, perhaps he told us this or I asked, I can not remember. But he was standing there, WAITING TO PAY! Even aAFTER I handed him the card, he still stood there, SHE IGNORED HIM! I paced back and forth telling myself that I have had enough of this c***P and was aching to just walk up, put my finger on the button to hang up the phone, and tell her to h=serve the customer!!! BUT I DIDN”T! Because I was afraid she would go ballistic and make up some story to the management of the store! ………………..Guess what…..A store manager had seen the whole thing from a distance, I did not know the manager was there. The store manager was LIVID!!!! The girl was fired, but what matters to me is that I didm;’t have the guts to do what was right, to do what would have made the poor guy from Belgium and his little girl feel at least somewhat appreciated.

        • The Final Solution

          Reminds me of my experience in Thailand. Those third worlders don’t do anything until they feel like it. Especially on the islands, you would wait two hours for a meal, only to have the wrong one brought to your table several times and stuff like that. Work ethic comes from intelligence and the ability to use the tools around you to change your environment. Different “time preferences” at play here – obviously that lazy black prefers to spend her time on the phone, which is why they build failed nations and we build civilizations.

          • Max Krakah

            She was on the phone, but I forgot to mention that she was YELLING!. She was yelling “M***** F*****, and F***, and F***ING, and S***, and the head was bobbing and weaving and the finger was pointed and the hand was waving. Meanwhile, there was this white guy who obviously regretted ever walking into this place just waiting to pay so he could leave. I should have just given him the things and said there was no charge. This was the beginning of my conversion to race realism. I think this was a year or so before I read JT’s book “Paved with Good Intentions, The failure of Race Relations in America”. I gave that book to the BU library BTW, to try to spread the word.

          • dukem1

            Oh heck…she was prolly jus’ talkin’ to her chillun.

        • dukem1

          Another example of white privilege..You had the privilege to expect that a situation such as you describe could come to a satisfactory result.
          The solution would have been resolved if only you understood the culture of the girl..Then you would have just gone all “ghetto” on her, grabbed the phone out of her hand and explained that she can’t be dissin’ the customer base.Certainly this move by you into her cultural sphere would have been an uncomfortable.experience.
          Your white privilege allowed you to expect civilized behaviour.
          Ah….Belgium is well on its way to signing on with the Caliphate, so no harm was probably done, long-term.

        • Max

          ONCE upon a time in a parasitology course I viewed video on trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness) among the Masai cattle herds. Native species are refractory to the infection which is carried by tse tse flies but domestic livestock are not.

          Like most Africans, the Masai have grazed their herds on the already sparse vegetation to bare earth. They could move into the nearby forested hill areas with plenteous vegetation but do not for fear of the “bad spirits” therein which kill their cattle (and frequently, the people).

          Clever researchers came in upon discovery of this situation and built simple fly traps comprised of a very simple, small tent-like structure with a plastic bag supported by sticks to reduce the disease carrying flies. Indeed, they were able to reduce the flies up to 99% in some areas rendering the forested areas essentially safe for the herds which began to recover. When the study was terminated the researchers necessarily left. As time passed, when the Masai returned during the dry seasons to graze the animals they began again to die with increasing frequency. The Masai sought the help of their shamans without effect, bought various drugs from traders wherever they could obtain them to no avail.

          Eventually, this was related to “authorities” who then called in (you guessed) white doctors. A veterinarian spoke to the Masai through an interpreter about the abandoned and fallen fly traps and asked “Is it better to keep the animals well, or try to heal them after they are already sick?” Even the rural Masai herder responded “It is better that the animals do not get sick” The doctor then asked “Why then do you not maintain the traps to catch the flies carrying the “poison” which the visitors showed you?” 

          The Masai herder responds “Why should we have to repair the fallen traps? We did not put them there. It was the workers.”

          Liberals just don’t understand the root of black failures.

          • Young Werther

            The “missing link”.

      • Erasmus

        “Strengf.” The word is “strengf,” or did you sleep through ebonics class, usually scheduled for right after maf?

        • Max Krakah

          Seems you were asleep too, it is SQRENGFFF!

          • Erasmus

            I salute you, sir. Truly, you are the bard of ebonics.

          • Max Krakah

            That be da word on da skreet

        • AndrewInterrupted

          You got no pwoof.

          • Max Krakah

            shizzizat da gizzle benizzat dafizzle!

        • Nicholas

          I believe you mean “stremf”.

      • Tarczan

        I thought I was pretty hip to blackspeak, but you guys are making me feel downright illiterate.

    • Erasmus

      Yup, said gas station workers do so much to enrich our poor benighted white country.

      Good news: Most people are catching on that “Celebrate Diversity!” is a load of merde. Moreover, when the government keeps pushing it, even though the entire country sees it’s a crock, they lose legitimacy and set themselves up for a backlash.

    • RisingReich

      it HAD to do with the US not importing Nigerians and Hatians. More Nigerians and Hatians – no more ‘shining success’.

      Simple as that.

    • Mergatroyd

      Are you sure those Somalis didn’t water down the gas? Armenians in California have been caught adding water to the gas tanks at the stations they run all over Southern California, also they’ve been caught “re-jiggering” the gas gauges so you pay more for less gas. Not to mention the scanners they add to where you swipe your credit card so they can steal your credit card information while you fill up.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      Things in the West were pretty bad when Christians actually ran things. Read history. It’s actually the resistance to it and the revival of ancient Western values that made the progress, although Christians like to claim the credit. Any slight study of the Renaissance in Europe and the following advent of the Age of Reason (that was anti-Christian in its direction) will teach you that. Amazing how little white advocates here know about their own history and culture.

  • sbuffalonative

    I’ve said it before. When I’m around non-whites, I keep my mouth shut. The less said, the less likely I will say something ‘offensive’.

    • So CAL Snowman

      I do the opposite, especially when I’m around mexicans. Whenever I hear mexicans chattering in spanish I immediately start cussing and saying lewd things in perfect spanish. I’m nearly fluent and I have a flawless accent which makes the scowls and stares I receive even more hilarious.

      • Erasmus

        Y yo también.

        • So CAL Snowman

          Los mexicanos son pinche putos

    • Tarczan

      When I’m around non-whites, I leave.

      • Max Krakah

        Best strategy.

  • Luca

    “The Downside of Diversity”?

    Was there ever an upside?

    • Max Krakah

      just a lot up our backsides

    • JohnEngelman

      That depends on who contributes the diversity. A company that only hires white Gentiles will lose capable people to other companies.

      • Max Krakah

        what do YOU know about it? Life isn’t found in BOOKS!

        • JohnEngelman

          Just because I obviously know what I am talking about, and can document my factual assertions, does not mean that I lack real life experiences.

          • Max Krakah

            That’s just it, you don’t KNOW what you are talking about, all you know is what you have read, form selected sources

          • JohnEngelman

            When I explain my admiration for Jews and Orientals I have an easy time quoting material I have found on this website.

          • Mergatroyd

            I have never seen one post from you on this entire forum where you’ve presented any facts. You post your own warped opinions and fantasies and pass them off as fact.

            Why don’t you tell us why you think race replacing Whites with Asians and Jews will make the US a better place? This country was created by Whites for Whites, not for Asians or Jews, they have their own homeland and should stay there. I am not allowed to become citizens of THEIR country to replace THEIR people so why should I concede my country to them?

            And don’t start up with the lame Native American argument, they weren’t the first one on this continent, Europeans were.

      • Lt_Greyman_NVA

        You bet John! toloshebe goyim harog!

      • Tarczan

        That was true on the Apollo moon program, John.

      • Hush, troll.

      • The Final Solution

        We aren’t interested in “capable” non-whites that have somehow managed to rise to the right of the bell curve. For every thousand “capable” non-whites there are at least a hundred MORE THAN capable whites that can do the job twice as good in half the time.

      • Mergatroyd

        Don’t forget, John, to tell everyone here how you think the world will be a far better place when White children are race-replaced by Asians and Jews.

        Face it: You are an anti-White promoting the genocide of the White race. That makes you a monster.

        — The thought of you losing your job to a more intelligent Jew or Oriental is pleasing to me. As time goes on there will be more of that.

        — History is moving against you. America is becoming more multi racial, more multi ethnic, and more meritocratic. There is nothing white nationalists can do about. One gets places in politics by getting in front of popular issues. One does not get places by fighting for lost causes.

        — John Engelman

        h/t Celestial Time

        To all you who up-vote this anti-White, why are you up voting someone who encourages and promotes the genocide of the White race?

        • The upvoters aren’t really White, if you catch my drift.

          • LACounty

            100% correct.

        • JohnEngelman

          If I want to learn about genocide I will learn from Jews.

          • BaronBaal

            It would be better to learn from one of your buddies- Genghis Khan.

          • JohnEngelman

            Genghis Khan was not Chinese. I am not sure how this estimated, but I have read that 30 percent of the Chinese people were killed during the Mongolian conquests.

      • A company that makes it a point to hire incompetent diversitoids will also lose capable people to other companies, because those capable people will become fed up and leave.

  • bigone4u

    Simple message the prof has come up with: Whites work better in an all-white environment. Let me add that white men work better in an all-white men setting. I knew that when I was a child. What’s wrong with the rest of the world?

    • JohnEngelman

      White bigots work best in an all white environment. I have always appreciated the experience of working with non whites, if they were agreeable to work with.

      • Max Krakah

        What do you know of work , you are in the world of academia

      • Max Krakah

        white bigots won the second world war, they started and built the whole industrial revolution, they put men on the moon. Never needed anyone else other than white males for ANY of that !

        • JohnEngelman

          You are projecting your bigotry on to them.

          • Max Krakah

            NO, not at all. Not by a long shot. The way they thought and the things they said would today cast them as socially unacceptable bigots. All I have to say is :Never has so much, been owed by so many, to bigots!

          • JohnEngelman

            White Gentiles who are confident in their abilities and their worth do not feel the need to indulge in feelings of racial superiority.

            Eric Hoffer put it best when he wrote in The True Believer, “The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.”

          • Lt_Greyman_NVA

            toloshebe goyim harog

          • Max Krakah

            It is not racial superiority, it is just preference for our own kind , and a desire for the record to be set straight. People who have a problem with the truth try to find a fault with it and find a fault in those who speak it.

          • JohnEngelman

            One of the reasons the brightest and best educated whites like to find jobs in San Francisco and New York City is because they like the ethnic mix in those cities.

          • Max Krakah

            Sorry, and what sources do you have to cite in this matter?

          • JohnEngelman

            In this case my research has been limited to conversations with white Gentiles with high grade, well educated intelligence.

          • Max Krakah

            In other words, you have nothing but ANECDOTAL experience. Take a walk john.

          • JohnEngelman

            Take a walk to a public library. Read some books. Come back when you have interesting facts and insights to share with us.

          • Max Krakah

            no, you tell me the titles, chapter and verse of the books, you talk about “backing up” your statements with something oner than personal “anecdotal” evidence, so why don’t YOU do that !

          • JohnEngelman

            I just quoted Eric Hoffer. I like to quote the writings of Jared Taylor, J. Philippe Rushton, John Derbyshire, and others whose writings I have found on this website.

          • Max Krakah

            You think mentioning their names justifies you. You quote them, but you twist their meanings. It all went right over your head and you can’t even realize it.

          • Max Krakah

            Eric hooffer, who cares, try again

          • Max Krakah

            You work in a college library, don’t you!

          • Max Krakah

            YOU should move there! Since you CLEARLY are so good at talking out of your A** you would be a BIG HIT there!

          • JohnEngelman

            I lived in the San Francisco Bay area for years. It is a delightful place to live.

          • Max Krakah

            Glad you enjoyed it

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you.

          • Max Krakah

            I enjoyed it first, JTLYK,

      • Andy

        Bigots are people who refuse to consider others’ viewpoints.

        Diversity creates division. It’s good to get experience with other sorts of people, but it’s harder to create a team out of people who are uncomfortable with each other’s customs, aren’t sure they are communicating accurately, and are worried that they’ll offend without intending. It’s what we share, not what we don’t, that makes for friendships and partnerships. A small percentage of the “other” probably won’t do any harm and may give the majority benefits as well as the minority. But when there’s no clear majority, you get parallel mini-societies trying to work as one.

        “The Stranger within my gates,
        He may be evil or good,
        But I cannot tell what powers control–
        What reasons sway his mood;
        Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
        Shall repossess his blood.”

        • Max Krakah

          Correct! There is NO POSSIBLE WAY for a person to know what is in the heart of another Except for ONE THING! WE DO know that race, ethnicity divide us a! There is no way for people to sort out the dangerous and benign individuals of another group. One therefore chooses safety over risk.

        • JohnEngelman

          The only two times I have had problems working with a non white was when each owed his job to affirmative action. Otherwise I have found it to be an agreeable and an enlightening experience.

          • Andy

            I have also had mostly pleasant experiences with non-whites. Regardless, I’ve noticed something: in the cafeterias, there are black sections and white sections and Asian sections as soon as there is any significant minority group.

          • JohnEngelman

            I the school cafeteria in high school I sat with my two best friends. They were Chinese Americans.

          • Max Krakah

            poor kids, you never got any of their hints

          • JohnEngelman

            I am still in touch with one of them. Years ago I attended his wedding. I also attended the funeral of this father.

          • Max

            That’s mighty white of you.

          • BaronBaal

            I married a Chinese woman but I obviously don’t share your views. I wonder what your mother and father think of your views. Or your brothers and sisters? I guess it doesn’t matter, does it? Because they are white they are just too stupid to “get it”.

          • GOTG is the new StarWars

            You married a Chinese woman? Seriously?

          • BaronBaal

            Yes. I’m from Charlotte too…

          • Karolina

            I don’t understand the reference.

            I thought you were a WN so I was surprised that you married a Chinese woman.

          • BaronBaal

            Don’t make the mistake in believing that just because some white guys marry Asians means that we aren’t concerned about what we are seeing because we are. Yes, I married a Chinese woman but that doesn’t mean that I don’t love my race, and if push comes to shove, I will fight for the preservation of my race. I hope you understand.

          • Karolina

            I understand. I just find the White male infatuation with East Asian females interesting.

            I don’t even consider East Asians inferior to us (intellectually at least) but you do, which is strange because that would mean you are marrying into a population in which your descendants would become genetically inferior to Whites at large. Like I said, I don’t believe this, but you do right?

          • BaronBaal

            I don’t consider myself “infatuated” with Asian women. When I met my wife, things just fell into place and to be honest I never expected to marry an Asian. And no, I never said that Asians are genetically inferior to whites. They are pretty much equal intellectually to us but in other areas they lack certain attributes that we whites possess. However, the family is important to Asians and that is one thing that seems to be lacking in whites these days- a strong family unit, that is.

          • Max Krakah

            who cares who a worm has problems with?

      • Max Krakah

        did you get a bad fortune cookie today?

      • bigone4u

        Mr. Engelman, why would you ASSUME that only white “bigots” work best in an all white environment?

        • JohnEngelman

          If they are not bigoted, the only thing they will care about is the competence and friendliness of non white co-workers.

          • Lt_Greyman_NVA

            Would you say that other races (Jew, Hispanic, Black) can be bigoted and only work best in an all monochrome environment? You automatically assume that the bigoted race is White.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have never noticed or experienced ethnocentrism among among Jews, Orientals, or Hispanics. Those who know me at the Mexican restaurant I often patronize like me and start conversations with me.

          • Luca

            Don’t fool yourself, they like your money.

          • JohnEngelman

            That cannot be true of the regular customers. They like me too.

          • Max Krakah

            blind as a bat or just plain obtuse?

          • JohnEngelman

            Perceptive. Those who have an easy time liking others are likable. Those who look for reasons to dislike others are not.

          • Max Krakah

            so what is your excuse then?

          • JohnEngelman

            I need no excuse.

            I have a question for you. Why do you follow me around with insults?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            With all do respect, you have become background noise for. You’re a skipping record.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am a record that keeps repeating facts that I document.

          • Max Krakah

            ad nauseum, and selective documentation makes you a liar

          • JohnEngelman

            When have I lied about anything?

          • Max Krakah

            When you have told only part of the story

          • Extropico

            Noticing that Jews and Chinese have no ethnocentrism is not a fact but a flagrant dishonesty.

          • JohnEngelman

            What I said was that I have never noticed it in my personal dealings with those two splendid groups of people.

          • Extropico

            I am sure they are fine people in a foreign land. Go to Israel and China and Mexico and tell them they need to be a minority and see their response. You can not possibly be as simple as you pretend to be.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            He’s a heckler of some sort. He runs out of banners and bumper stickers some times. Can we get a Rabbi Engelman filter installed?

          • Max Krakah

            In China he would be known as “Fuhng-Tze Dah-BE-Tze” Crazy big nose

          • Max

            No, you see, his observations of ethnocentrism or faults of blacks is based on objective, factual reality. Our observations of ethnocentrism among Hispanics, Asians or uh… others is based on ignorant bigotry.

          • Max Krakah

            ahhhh, the world according to englething

          • Garrett Brown

            He has a monkey petting a puppy as his avatar. I’m afraid he is.

          • BaronBaal

            Not to mention that both these groups are probably the most ethnocentric people on earth along with the Koreans and Japanese.

          • Max Krakah

            I don’t, I have a question for you. Why do you haunt this site and antagonize people?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            It’s noise pollution. Aren’t there laws?

          • Max Krakah

            it is called “hijacking”, he is trying to ride the coattails of Amren.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Yeah, it’s pathetic. Sad.

            Maybe we could put him in an OCPD study or something?

          • Max Krakah

            he has “internal demons”

          • JohnEngelman

            Those I antagonize do not like having their prejudices challenged.
            If I am out of place here, why do I have such an easy time substantiating my arguments with material that has been posted on American Renaissance?

          • Max Krakah

            Change “Prejudice” to “Preference”. and then look in the mirror at the tyrannical scold that haas nothing better to do than try to police the feelings and thoughts of others.

          • And I have a question for you.
            Why do you persist on trolling a web site that you are clearly in disagreement with? Childish pleasure at mischif making? Seeking of negative attention? Someone paying you?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            You are most certainly not perceptive. That word will never apply. Perceptive wannabee.

          • Max Krakah

            and the sharp ticket that YOU are comes here to tell whites they are inferior and call them names and tell them they have no right to live safe lives amongst their own kind and tell them they have no right to freedom of association and then expect to be liked. well, you really take the cake. I guess the verdict is in, OBTUSE!

          • JohnEngelman

            I like diversity, but I want it to be voluntary, and based on merit. I oppose affirmative action. I am delighted with the success of Jews and Orientals.

          • Max Krakah

            Who cares! Find an island somewhere and set up everything according to your own preferences and watch everyone else leave!

          • JohnEngelman

            You do not seem to have noticed it, but Jews and Orientals are prospering in this country. Things are moving in my direction, not yours.

          • Max Krakah

            So Jews and Asians do well, you are not responsible for this. I guess you think they are YOUR HORSE in the race, what a small person you are.

          • Max Krakah

            Actually, you don’t want it to be voluntary, you want to enforce it and then claim it is voluntary. What you hear here is the desire for less diversity, then you start calling people names and telling them they are inferior.

          • Max

            Do you then, consider it “voluntary” diversity when swarms of Chinese and Korean immigrants come to the US while 8-9 months pregnant on “vacation” so that they can drop a kid while they are here thus establishing an immediate citizenship claim in this country? I don’t care if their IQ is 1000, some of us think that this is devious, invasive behavior.

            Maybe you only believe that it needs be “voluntary” on the part of the non-white, non-citizen party. Maybe a crowd of black youths want you to voluntarily surrender your wallet, car, or daughter. It’s the same type of voluntary association.

          • LACounty

            Are you delighted with the ways orientals torture humans and animals?

          • Max Krakah

            The petulant one could not argue, so he erased the arguments

          • LACounty

            I believe he is allowed to stay due to his butt-kissing of a certain people. And they’re not Asian.

          • Max Krakah

            I won’t blow smoke

          • JohnEngelman

            No. That rarely happens, however.

          • BaronBaal

            Yeah, well I should take you to the animal markets in China where dogs and cats and all kinds of other animals are slaughtered and sold every single day. Get my drift? You’re an idiot. You can’t claim Asian or Jewish supremacy just by what you see in the US, you fool. I’ve lived in Asia for almost half my life and I know what I’m talking about when it comes to Asians. You, on the other hand, “cherry pick” and choose to only acknowledge certain sectors of the overall east Asian population- namely the ones in the USA.

          • Nathanwartooth

            I was wondering why this comment thread is now over 200 posts. Now I know. It’s turned into another John Engelman worship Asian and Jews crap fest. Oh boy.

            Look John, I play a Korean MMO (TERA) and the only game I’m excited about this year is Dark Souls 2, which is Japanese. Some of my favorite classical songs were done by Japanese composers. Last night I just watched some .hack, a Japanese Anime. So there are hardly any people here who like Asian culture more than me.

            But that being said, I still believe in nationalism for all races. Even though I like many things about Asians I don’t want to live by a bunch of them or have them flooding white countries. We can share our culture with each other without invading each others countries.

            This is why people get mad at you. But I’m sure you already know this. I think you just get off on pushing peoples buttons at this point.

          • NorthernWind

            I’m a big admirer of Japanese culture, especially their traditional culture, but I share your point of view.

            In my opinion Engleman is simply a troll and nothing more. That’s why I generally do not bother commenting on his asinine posts.

          • Extropico

            I suggest you move to China or Israel and tell them they need to stop being so ethnocentric and minoritize themselves. You can’t be that obtuse, John.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            He’s in a tight little box, no doubt.

          • Max Krakah

            I think there is ONE profession that he is IDEAL for! Party killer! Have you ever had a party that refused to end? Guests who would not take hints? Well, what YOU need is the Ronco “Party Killer”! Press his button and have him robotically quote IQ statistics and witness the “Pin Drop” silence that results! Yes my friends, just break out the the Ronco Party Killer and your guests will falling all over each other making excuses for why they have to suddenly leave!

          • Max

            No ethnocentrism? You cannot be serious or you have only been where there is a single individual from the aforementioned groups.

            Helpful social tip: no one is surprised that the Mexicans who are taking your money are pleased to strike up a conversation.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            He just makes stuff up.

          • Max Krakah

            I have been at events where people either did not know I was not Jewish, or they thought I could not hear them, and I have heard some incredible things. One such remark was that “WASPs are like the white meat of a chicken, dry and flavorless, they are nothing unless there is a good sauce to help them go down” OR something along those lines about how wasps were boring without some spicy gelatinized sauce.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have heard antisemites say far worse things about Jews.

          • Brian

          • BaronBaal

            “I have never noticed or experienced ethnocentrism among among Jews, Orientals, or Hispanics.”
            One of the most asinine things I’ve ever heard. How old are you John, 6?

          • JohnEngelman

            Ashkenazi Jews do not feel the need to go around chanting “We’re number one! We’re number one!” They know they are. They know everybody else knows.

            By the evolutionary process Ashkenazi Jews are the Chosen People.

          • BaronBaal

            Then that must mean that East Asians are #2. Do you think that the East Asians will be happy knowing that they are #2 and that Jews look down on them as being #2? Uh oh, looks like the relationship isn’t going to be so cozy after all.
            The evolutionary process? Oh, you must mean inbreeding…

          • 65

          • Max Krakah

            you think people are robots

          • William Krapek

            I don’t even know what “bigot” means anymore. Everyone on the planet earth acts in a manner that is not considered bigoted, that *would* be considered bigoted if White people did it. It’s mostly a way for Jews accuse White people of being evil from what I can gather. They’re the worst offenders, although the Asians are catching up fast. I’m done with walking on eggshells around that tribe.

            I’m also finished with them stealing from us too. Not only money, but ideas.

      • If anyone still doubts the fact that Engelman is an anti-White troll, the wording of this post alone should put any doubts to rest.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        I don’t get the impression you’ve ever left your mother’s basement.

        You clearly are a non-functioning person.

    • Max Krakah

      YEP! And this all white male environment used to be fictionalized and put in other settings and times for our entertainment. Remember shows like “wagon train”, “Big Valley”, “Bonanza”? One could see the correct ways and incorrect ways of behaving and relating to each other in those programs. I think the success of modern shows such as “Pawn Stars” and “Duck Dynasty ” is almost completely due to the white men in those shows, white men acting according to traditional ideas of white male masculinity.

      • Max Krakah

        can anyone even IMAGINE a show featuring black masculine behaviors? IT would be something like animals and cannibals.

    • dd121

      It looks like a comment deletion apocalypse.

      • Mergatroyd

        Except for Engelman’s comments. I keep hearing that Engelman isn’t a systems admin here but I’m having trouble believing it. Why would a pro-White site keep up posts from a known anti-White and then delete any all rebuttals to his anti-White posts?

        Why are the rebuttals to his posts being deleted?

        • Garrett Brown

          Look below your post, your assumption has been proven incorrect.

        • I’ve been emailed by a moderator here to tell me that Jared Taylor personally wanted me to know that JE is not a moderator after he someone followed me around deleting every comment I made that refuted his insane, pathetic anti-White posts.

          Pure comedy.

  • MekongDelta69

    “The Downside of Diversity?”

    EVERYTHING

  • tetrapod

    As a longtime Information Technology worker I’ve been in numerous settings where I’m the only white American. For the most part I’ve not had any problems.

    That being said, I still feel deeply irritated that IT now has a distinctly Indian face. Indians are increasingly assuming leadership positions and are viewed as the experts. And America invented IT!

    Yet another case where our elites have sold us out by bringing in foreigners instead of investing in Americans.

    • RisingReich

      I also work in IT and am sick of Paki ‘project managers’ – and every time I call HP for a server order I get some dot indian who can barely speak English named ‘John’.

      I don’t know what’s more irritating – an American based IT company hiring a dot indian for customer service, or the attempt to ‘fool’ me into believing the know-nothing clown on the other end is American because he calls himself ‘John’.

      Grrrrr….

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Americans innovate. Asians imitate.

      • Garrett Brown

        Americans and western Europeans*

      • JohnEngelman

        That is no longer true.

        • tetrapod

          You’re probably right about that. There is no mystery to innovation. It arises naturally when you have a thorough mastery of a given problem domain. Deficiencies in the current state become obvious, as do their remedies. As Asians increasingly become producers, they’ll be privy to the details that make innovation possible.

          All the more reason to start making things in America again. This is especially paramount for cutting edge science. It’s astonishing that America could not pay for our own large hadron collider back in the 90’s, yet had a trillion dollars to spend on the Iraqi war.

    • Brian

      I’ve had the same experience. While gritting my teeth, I try to tell myself ‘at least they aren’t blacks’.

  • libertarian1234

    “…..he goes on to note that getting people from different nationalities and cultural backgrounds to co-operate is fraught with difficulties.”

    Most of what he has to say is common sense that most aware people know without conducting a study or doing research.

    This is like the professor who conducted a study to support his misguided idea that diversity was a strength and found out diversity causes distrust and a lack of community cohesiveness and unity.

    The brilliant elites have their meetings and decide something and the rest of the business world takes their hare-brained ideas as fact, and everything falls apart from there.

    Of course, there’s always an ulterior motivation about supporting diversity, because it enables them to bring in more tax units and consumers that can be included in their monetary base, but mostly these people have less ability to understand the ramifications of their schemes than the average person.

    “At best differences in world-view and cultural styles can produce “intercultural anxiety”, at worst outright conflict.”

    There is fighting, angst, dissatisfaction, and distrust wherever people of different races, religions and cultures try to exist side by side.

    Diversity is a failure and will never work.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Do you have a link to that study? That may be the same study I read about.

      • Lt_Greyman_NVA

        “Bowling Alone” Robert Putnam. Harvard University Press.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          I read some of the reviews. It sounds a little stodgy and formulated. What was your opinion of it?

          • Mergatroyd

            Putnam clearly explains what happens when neighborhoods and cities become diverse. Neighbors don’t speak to each other and people become disconnected from their communities and schools, places they’d normally support come together for in homogeneous communities, but not when they’re forced to live with others not of their race.

            Diversity perverts human nature and that’s why it will never work. Whatever you think about Michael Savage, he is right when he says diversity is perversity.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I read one poster who said that Putnam was a card-carrying Liberal, and was expected to produce the Liberal party line, but he strayed into truth territory too much. I guess he became a pariah amongst the social engineering set after that.

          • Lt_Greyman_NVA

            I found it Stodgy and formulated. However, like all the data about diversity (I.Q. , crime, etc) it is specifically hidden in the complex language and scientific jargon. The Author hated illustrating the collapse of the White Suburban society or as I call it, the 4H and Hobby movements. Among Whites, very little of the Hobby society still exists. The Boy Scouts are disbanding, the Bowling leagues are nearly completely gone. The 4H club is a ghost of its former greatness. What remains are small groups of very specialized Hobbyists (R/C Aircraft, Wine Makers, Hot Rod Shows, Gun Collectors) but the rest of the spectrum is nearly burned out. Whites are driven out of the other pursuits by having negros disrupt them with crime and fear, or in the case of Hot Rods post 1975 that are affordable, Federal regulation makes it a Felony to tamper with the engine. After all, why have a Wednesday night bowling team when you or your wife might get raped or beaten in the parking lot.

            Blacks on the other hand have expanded their hobbies. Now they have Polar Bear Hunting, Beat Whitey Night and The Knock Out Game.

      • libertarian1234

        I don’t have a link I can access without doing a search.

        The article was on this site a couple of years ago I think it was.

        If I get time, I’ll do some searching myself and post the link.

  • Massif1

    The downside of diversity is inefficiency in the workplace. Once you have a diversity poster in your office, it’s time to move somewhere else.

  • Erasmus

    Brevity is the soul of wit. It would be faster to tell us the upside of diversity.

    • RisingReich

      Witty indeed. I like it.

  • Dave4088

    Racial diversity simply means formerly white nations sink to third world status. There is no upside and round table discussions, pandering/hispandering, and set asides won’t remedy the very real problems engendered by multiracialism.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Hey, I learned two new Hispanic terms today: Hispandex and Hispandering. It truly is the new age of enlightenment.

      • Max

        “Hispanzee”

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Hey, that’s three!!

  • Lewis33

    Does anyone doubt that wages would go up without the meddling of the EEOC and the swarms of diversity officers companies are forced to hire? (Maybe McDonalds could get closer to that fifteen dollars an hour.)

    • IstvanIN

      Fewer, more productive workers would lessen the number of workers needed and increase the potential earnings of the productive. Unproductive employees are sort of like a tax that isn’t called a tax. And quite frankly, dumb, lazy employees tax their coworkers patience and drive to succeed. Makes them think: why bother.

      • Erasmus

        Unproductive employees are sort of like a tax that isn’t called a tax.

        Ain’t nothing “sort of” about it. They ARE a tax, even if they’re not called a tax.

        • Mergatroyd

          They are a DRAG on businesses and everything else.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      The EEOC and the Diversity Officers could find work as ventriloquists, since they’re masters at talking out of both sides of their mouths.

      Technically–and legally, quota hiring, promotion, and termination practices don’t exist–except for the fact that they do.

  • Spartacus

    “The closest thing the business world has to a universally acknowledged
    truth is that diversity is a good thing: the more companies hire people
    from different backgrounds the more competitive they will become.”

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    No. There is no proof for this, and the “business” world knows it. That’s why you have an article every other day about how X company is all “White men” and how it lacks diversity…

    • Erasmus

      Businessmen (and others) know that in public they now have to utter false platitudes, much as was done in Stalin’s Russia, Mao’s China and Pol Pot’s Cambodia. It’s what they say in private that’s worth hearing.

  • NorthernWind

    The upsides to diversity are made up. Diversity is in no way correlated to success or efficiency. In fact, the opposite seems to be true.

    Whether within country or within a family or within a company, diversity is always a bad thing.

  • For something that’s supposedly an obvious, inherent “strength”, sure do need a lot of ‘splaining…

  • JohnEngelman

    Companies, and departments within companies, work best when employees like each other. This is true whether the workforce is diverse or not.

    A company that lowers standards in order to hire blacks and Hispanics is likely to create discord among employees of other races who perform adequately.

  • PS, in case you anyone missed the latest diversity clown show from my neck of the woods:
    bit[dot]ly/1blfBgC

  • AndrewInterrupted

    ‘THE closest thing the business world has to a universally acknowledged truth is that diversity is a good thing: the more companies hire people from different backgrounds the more competitive they will become’.

    Utterly, categorically false. A socially engineered talking point–nothing else.

    I remember reading about a right wing think tank trying to quantify that bumper sticker. They decided to put together some sort of formula to prove the pro-Diversity theory at corporations one way or the other. They hired a number-crunching firm to assemble model portfolios of companies obsessed and required to engage in demographic quotas and model portfolios with fewer or no quota constraints. The quota portfolios did far worse. I remember reading about it in the Washington Times.

    It’s a complete lie, based on thin air and pipe dreams. The Cultural Marxists will never stop lying. It’s their culture. We must embrace it.

    (Nancy Pelosi): “Embrace the suck, people”.

    • Max Krakah

      Yes, indeed it is a false. This is dialectic.

    • Max

      These are the companies which will become “more competitive” for government contracts based on the proportion of so-called minorities employed.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Exactly. They’ve submitted to the Dumb-Down-Drill. What federal contractor employees call (under the breath): Going 3D.

      • Truth Teller

        A lot of companies are saturated with useless middle management positions and a bunch of other make work positions such as “diversity manager”.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Yes, lots of diversity overhead.

  • Anon

    “ambient cultural disharmony”

    Lol….a new euphemism for stray bullets. 5 year old Dishay Mohammad Jackson became a victim of ambient cultural disharmony, today as Hispanic and Black gangs fought over drug turf.

    • NoMosqueHere

      It’s about time yt came up with academic or bs legal terms to replace “disparate impact” or “affirmative action” in order to explain why young shitavious muhammed can’t understand calculus.

  • The Final Solution

    Diversity undermines social cohesion. It destroys trust which is the foundation of democracy and economic prosperity. And according to this guy, it gets in the way of creativity, which is another factor in producing successful knowledge-based economies. The bottom line is that there is no proven relationship between diversity and economic success, and that just the opposite is more likely to produce prosperity: homogeneity.

  • Lt_Greyman_NVA

    Please, will someone send this article to General Casey?

    • libertarian1234

      I doubt it would do any good.

      More likely than not he’s aware that diversity is dumb, but he knows for certain by embracing it with his butt-kissing tactics he’ll enhance his miserable career.

      My opinion of the PC culls and the military couldn’t be lower at this point in my life.

  • Funruffian

    I’ll tell you another great advantage of Diversity in the workplace, Low salaries. Every time you see the acronym (EOE) you can be certain that salaries are all predetermined for a particular position regardless of experience or qualifications.

    • shmo123

      What’s even worse is what I run into in my field (academia) for nearly every job I apply for: “women and minorities encouraged to apply”. This is the equivalent of fat chance white boy, see you on the bottom of the pile.

  • Mahound

    Had Mr Chua been white he would no doubt have been labelled a white supremacist

  • Jim Barlow

    “Mr Chua also discovered that the only people WHO ARE NOT AFFECTED by cultural conflict … are the people WHO ARE AT THE HEART OF IT.”

    Helps explains why Jesse Jackson & the Black Guilt Industry are so effective.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Yes, there is no downside for them.
      They can be as nasty as they wannabee.
      Just have the race-card at the ready.

  • Epiminondas

    The disastrous results of this pernicious ideology have been underreported. Or ignored. The result will only end up Balkinizing our society. In fact, the process is well underway.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      For the first time in history, a civilization is voluntarily committing cultural and demographic suicide by outsourcing its capacity for economic self-sufficiency and allowing itself to be invaded by third world colonizers. It never ceases to amaze me how whites celebrate and welcome the ethnic and national destruction of Europe and America as if these were good things. The elites do not even seem to be concerned about who they are allowing to colonize Europe and America. They import the most brutal, vicious non-white foreigners from the illiberal and intolerant cultures of the third world, without any consideration as to the happiness and tranquility of the native white population. Anyone who points out the seemingly irrational course of events as they have unfolded since WWII, including the destructive waves of massive third world immigration and the suicidal multiculturalist policies that threaten to sweep the west into the dustbin of history, is vigorously denounced as a “racist” and a “xenophobe.”

      We are on the verge of a new dark age, one that will probably last many thousands of years. As soon as the white man recedes into the mists of history, the teeming hordes of brutal third world savages at our gates will fight among each other for whitey’s trash and quickly run what is left of our civilization into the ground. The greatest catastrophe in the history of mankind is unfolding right before our eyes, the physical extermination of the white race in both Europe and America, and here we are powerless to stop it. The most successful and creative civilization in history is voluntarily abdicating its responsibility to the rest of mankind by committing a stupid suicide for no valid reason at all. Amazing. I am at a loss for words. I am speechless.

      • Brian

        There is a wild card available…300 million guns in America.

        • NoMosqueHere

          War or other violence won’t be necessary if the 1965 Immigration Act is rescinded and replaced by a pro YT immigration act.

          • KevinPhillipsBong

            We need an emigration act more than we need an immigration act.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            That requires force.

            Whites need both a civil war and a race war. We need a civil war to drive out the traitors in government and a race war to drive out the third world colonizers and have them all repatriated to their countries of origin. Otherwise, the west is forever lost, in the same way that Rome was forever lost to the barbarians.

          • Max

            The stupid Republicans version of “compromise” is seriously deficient. When the Democrats demand unlimited immigration, the Repubs should demand complete deportation of all immigrants. At least in that case, the “compromise” would be zero growth of immigrant pop.

            Instead, the Dems demand open immigration and the Repubs argue for limits so we basically get to 2/3 of the free flow of immigrants that the Dems demand. We lose every time because they always frame the argument.

      • We aren’t powerless by any means. Our capacity for innovation is seemingly endless and our outrage grows as our awakening spreads. Additionally, we’re heavily armed (in the US) and still make up a large percentage of the most vital jobs and trades that keep the infrastructure running.

        Don’t give up, friend. No one does warfare like Whites with nothing left to lose.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Ok, but Obama won 46% of the white vote.

          • If you think we actually have legitimate elections in this country I have some prime NYC trans-waterfront real estate to sell you.

            There’s no doubt that the weak seed Whites among us are a major problem, but the true believers are a pitiful minority and the rest are sheep who will do whatever they’re told by the powers that be, no matter who those powers are.

            As the pendulum swings right, our superior numbers and firepower will be the deciding factor.

          • Max

            His Hopefulness is black and HE is a problem – but your point is well taken. 96% of 13% << 46% of 70%

      • NoMosqueHere

        Recently, I met a young woman from Italy. We talked about the muslim and third world invasion of Europe. Specifically, I asked whether she was concerned about living under Sharia or being dominated by non-Italian people. She responded: “No, they can’t do worse than we did.”

        • shmo123

          That’s pathetic.

  • IstvanIN

    Actually you do not need diversity to be successful world-wide. Swiss watches, Japanese electronics, French wine, German cars, Italian leathers, etc. were all developed without diversity and became popular world-wide specifically because they were indetified with the people who made them. The most popular luxury car in China is Buick, about as an American name in automobiles as one can get and not be a Ford. Would Buick have the same cache among the Chinese if it had some local name? (Yes I know the Chinese Buicks are built in China).

    And oddly enough American and British pop groups used to be, and may still be, very popular in non-English speaking countries from Germany to Chile to Japan.

    • Max Krakah

      American Space Program circa late 1960s! That was a 100% white male endeavor…oh wait, there might have been a black or hispanic janitor .

      • IstvanIN

        Did the British need diversity to industrialize and allow Queen Victoria to reign over what, 1/4 of the world’s people? Did Spain need diversity to conquer most of the New World. China built the Great Wall to stop diversity.

        • Max Krakah

          NO! You tell it my BRUTHA!!!!

      • AndrewInterrupted

        You cut deep.

    • French, German, Italian, Swiss…those are diversity. There’s plenty of it among Whites.

    • Reverend Bacon

      Yeah, I really think that after 50 years of this crap, someone somewhere should be able to point to a “diversity dream team” in a corporation, showing how they used their diversity to become number one. Apple? nope. GE? nope. Microsoft? nope. Nike? nope. Dell? nope. Nokia? Motorola? Amazon? FedEx? Sorry, there’s no magic dream team.

      One wonders if the Economist writer wrote the article first, and the evil, liberal John Micklethwaite came in later and added that crap at the start.

      I think that for selling soda pop or shoes to the ghetto, it helps to have a frontman with the same pigmentation as the customers. But that’s not diversity, it’s just PR. Yes, of course the Al Sharptons of the world can understand the gibs-me-dat mentality better than any human, but that’s a minor issue. Do we let some 2-sigma lab rat start designing medical experiments, or do we let humans do it, despite not having 4 legs and sharp teeth?

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    The only kind of diversity worth having is intellectual diversity. Diversity based on melanin, hormonal secretions and sexual plumbing is practically worthless.

    • Brian

      Sometimes it can be useful to have a younger person and older person working together– the energy, enthusiasm and curiosity of the young, and the wisdom, caution and experience of the elder. I suppose that would fall under the heading of intellectual diversity.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        That is a critical symbiotic relationship in the workplace that has been intentionally removed.

        And the kids you’re mentoring got such lousy bringin’ ups (which is the rule) that they gave the old-timer no credit for his mentoring.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      That was when diversity was a positive word.

  • Max Krakah
    • AndrewInterrupted

      Admin just wiped out 100 posts.

      • Max Krakah

        Bloody Thursday. Notice that Engleman’s posts survived, power corrupts eh?

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Exactly. We may have to join together in a boycott. Is there any safe place to discuss reality anymore? It’s disturbing.

          • Max Krakah

            Th posts at SBPDL just aren’t as interactive. When I find another place that suits me, I will not be back here. That is how I operate.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            That’s paul kersey’s site?

          • Max Krakah

            yes, He only needs to change his posting arrangement and there will be a mass exodus from here.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Yeah, switch to disqus. I like the disqus format.

          • Max Krakah

            ahhh, Engleman’s posts are disappearing now, he realized he showed his filthy hand!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            They have a new moderator, too. We’ll see.

  • LACounty

    That rat’s got a big nose.

    • Max Krakah

      who ? ” Fuhng-Tze Da-Be-Tze”?

  • pcmustgo

    “Mr Chua also says that “ambient cultural disharmony” has its strongest impact on people who regard themselves as open-minded. Closed-minded people expect cultural tensions. Open-minded people don’t expect them and so react to them more strongly. In another irony, Mr Chua also discovered that the only people who are not affected by cultural conflict, at least in terms of creativity, are the people who are at the heart of it. They are more likely to explain the problems in personal rather than cultural terms.”

    I used to be a very open-minded kind of girl. Perhaps that was why I was so hurt and upset by the racism I have experienced from all of the other groups (but mainly blacks). No one could have tried harder to be post-racial than me.

  • Laika

    No diverse group of people in world history have ever come together to form a nation of different religions, languages and cultures. It is entirely against human nature because people prefer to be with their own.

    When people of different races and cultures are forced to live together under a strong-arm government like the USSR, or increasingly the USA, hatreds fester so when the inevitable breakup occurs with this entirely artificial situation, bloody, violent warfare and bloodshed are the result over territory, until the various groups separate themselves.

    Diversity means only one thing = less white people.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      Forced ethnic diversity has always been a dismal failure regardless of where it has been practiced. Even after decades of trying to socially engineer the Homo Sovieticus, people still ended up killing each other in the wave of ethnic hatreds that engulfed the USSR at the moment of its dissolution.

      The social welfare liberals are forcing us to accept the same policy of multiculturalism that has already been tried in Soviet Russia with the same predictable result: absolute, total failure. If they had looked at the history of the USSR, with its policies of multiculturalism and Russification (assimilation), they would know that forcing distinct peoples, who are ethnically and racially incompatible with each other on every level, to live together is a recipe for disaster.

      But no, people do not learn from history. No one learns from history. The only thing that can be learned from history is that people do not learn from history. This is why the same stupid mistakes are repeated over and over again.

      • Laika

        For the cultural marxists, the aim IS to create a recipe for disaster. Their goal is for warring tribes to tear each other apart, then they can declare martial law and impose a strong arm government where THEY lord over all while keeping their boot on our necks. That’s the whole point.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          I agree. We have been taken over by a hostile elite of globalists and zionists who want to exterminate the white race and destroy western civilization.

  • Mergatroyd

    “The closest thing the business world has to a universally acknowledged truth is that diversity is a good thing”

    Anyone here believe that? What a bogus study. Robert Putnam destroyed any notion of “diversity” as something desirable; it is not. As Jared Taylor might say, it diversity were so desirable, people wouldn’t do everything they possibly could to escape from it.

    Businesses are not allowed to hire whoever they want, the EEOC demands that businesses hire unqualified or barely qualified employees and there is a definite cost to this, a big one.

    A better study would be to calculate how much mandated diversity has cost businesses, most likely the figure is in the billions and I wouldn’t be surprised if a large number of businesses were forced to shut their doors due to diversity mandates. Forced diversity in the US is certainly one of the reasons so many businesses have left the country.

    Companies can only carry so much dead weight against the cost of doing business before it affects the “bottom line,” and then there’s the constant threats of lawsuits over “offended” non-Whites for the slightest little thing.

  • Mergatroyd

    I notice that your comments were deleted but not Engelman’s.

    • Look at the title of this article and it becomes apparent why Yellow John chooses certain topics to inject his anti-White views. His agenda is obvious to anyone with a pulse. So obvious and so consistent that it has to make you wonder about the intentions and agenda of anyone allowing him to fester so long.

      As far as the up votes, most of the ones he receives are from guests, people who don’t know his history, people only paying attention to the comment and not the commenter, the rare accidental up vote, Asiaphiles and miscegenators, and other diversity junkies who aren’t as obvious as Yellow John.

      The question shouldn’t be who are these people who up vote him. The question should be who has allowed an obvious anti-White to constantly troll a website that purports to be a website for pro-White/Western people.

      I’m moderated more here than I am at CNN. I save every comment I make here, but not on CNN. What does that tell you?

      • NorthernWind

        Hahaha. I’m moderated more here than on MSM websites too.

        I completely agree with your assessment too. Engleman isn’t pro-White at all, I don’t know why he feels the need to post here. I don’t go to some Black nationalist website and post comments about how wonderful Whites are and how Blacks should accept us because we have high IQ’s.

      • Sloppo

        I feel kind of weird about the idea of not up-voting John just because I disagree with some of his ideas. If he says something I really agree with strongly, I want to say so sometimes. When he goes the other direction, I sometimes like to express that too. If we shunned or excluded everyone who doesn’t agree with us, I think our conversations would be much less interesting.

        Sometimes the moderating here does seem to be strange, but I’m not sure that it’s any worse than what goes on at the Communist News Network. On the other hand, the Always Bashing Caucasians network banned me completely after just a few days.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          I sometimes upvote someone with whom I basically disagree but who states their position well and with whom I see the possibility of civilized, constructive discourse. Also as a courtesy to those who dare interlocute with me.

        • Nothing strange at all. It’s just trying to keep things above the level, so that juvenile interpersonal sniping, a lot of which was present on this particular thread last night, stays under the level.

          • Sloppo

            I think disagreements are usually much more civil here than they are in most forums, so maybe you’re doing a good job. I also think posters here tend to be relatively intelligent. I’ve wondered what the IQ average of posters here would be and how that number would compare to the average IQ of posters in some other forums.

          • What we hope for is something like Bayesian conditioning. We hope that when our people see what gets to stay up and what gets taken down, that it sinks in and only write the kind of comments that wouldn’t be taken down. However, civility, like liberty, requires eternal vigilance.

          • How’s that conditioning working out for you? Can you explain who “our people” would be?

            only write the kind of comments that wouldn’t be taken down

            Very interesting semantics considering the context.

          • Young Werther

            Then wouldn’t this be subjectivism with an objective on steroids?
            The probability of H conditional on E is defined as PE(H) = P(H & E)/P(E), provided that both terms of this ratio exist and P(E) > 0.
            Then AmRem will have a comments site that is offered up as the result of proof of a particular set of collective subjective truths that is determined beforehand (only after moderating *civility* with a vengence).
            Isn’t a false truth the essense of fatalism?

          • Young Werther

            I can understand a number of very good reasons for the need and the desire to modify *comments*, ha!

          • How’s that conditioning working out for you, Moderator?

          • No matter how many times you delete my comments, your attempt to explain your “conditioning” is going to haunt you for a long time.

  • Young Werther

    The thing I find most encouraging is that the*Authentic White* does not have hatred in his/her heart toward any other race or ethnic group on earth. The Authentic White is motivated by pure thoughts of the preservation of the White Race.
    As the Authentic White advances intellectually, certain *emotionally driven* notions, if they exist, are replaced with the cool-mindedness of logical thinking, planning, and carrying out the actual advancement of that *one* solitary goal of preservation. What is the foolishness of others to the Authentic White?

  • BaronBaal

    Then why was America hugely successful when it was overwhelmingly white and before Jews and Asians came into the picture? Why were whites able to accomplish so much without them?

    • JohnEngelman

      The question is irrelevant. The United States has achieved far more with the immigration of high IQ Jews and Orientals.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        The question is entirely relevant. The US has achieved absolutely nothing with the immigration of jews and orientals, except for the ethnic cleansing and dispossession of its own native white population.

        • JohnEngelman

          Are you saying that nothing has been achieved in the United States since the influx of Jews during the turn of the last century?

          American progress in science and technology during the twentieth century cannot be understood without praising the achievements of brilliant Jews and Orientals.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Americans were doing just fine without the traitorous government-sponsored mass influx of racial foreigners. We didn’t need any of these foreigners to begin with. The fact that they can only achieve anything of substance in white societies says a lot about the inferiority of their own jewish and oriental societies.

            If we want to survive as a race, we should be promoting our own ethnic genetic interests, not those of foreigners. Jews and orientals have their own societies. Let them help their own people with their achievements.

          • BaronBaal

            I’m saying that anything achieved by a Jew can be easily achieved by a white. And yes, almost all Jewish “contributions” have had a negative impact for whites and the USA in general.

      • Sloppo

        Some high-IQ people use their intelligence in a detrimental way. A high-IQ currency manipulating person like George Soros can do enormous damage to a country. Many highly intelligent lawyers enrich themselves while costing innocent people enormous amounts of money and grief. Highly intelligent banksters steal banks, while traditional robbers usually only steal relatively small sums of money.

      • BaronBaal

        No, it is relevant so answer the question. Since 1965, it has been nothing but downhill for the USA and what have Jews contributed other than crashing the economy and lobbying to assure that the USA continues to wage endless wars in the Midde-east and elsewhere? You’re a fool, John. Whites don’t need Jews or Asians for anything. It’s so painfully obvious.

  • BaronBaal

    Rushton is not a very popular guy. When he is able to weasel his way into campus for a lecture he is attacked by everyone- including Asians and Jews alike.

    • JohnEngelman

      Unfortunately, Professor Rushton has died. He was persecuted for telling the truth about racial differences.

  • William Krapek

    “But his results are important partly because many companies have such an optimistic view of cross-cultural pollination…”

    In other words they are completely insulated from all the bullshit. Thank you, Mr. Scientist.

  • Alexandra1973

    So basically, “open-minded” person: “Waitaminnit–what’s going on here!”

    “Closed-minded” person: “Told you so.”

  • Alexandra1973

    I can see a bunch of things wrong with this cartoon…Mexican stereotypes, guns…well, I could if I was a liberal. LOL

    I loved these cartoons. I also have first cousins whose last name is Rodriguez–their father’s a Puerto Rican.

  • NothingMan00

    “The closest thing the business world has to a universally acknowledged truth is that diversity is a good thing”

    The closest thing I’ve read to 1984-style “2+2=5” propaganda is that sentence.

    • Magician

      Two plus two is not five! The correct answer is three

      • Max

        Numbers are only a social construct. Everyone creates his or her own reality based on their own experiential framework without resort to synthetic limiting absolutist definitions. The pseudoscience of “arithmetic” has been discredited by all recognized educational experts.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      That’s the lie told a thousand times that’s still trying to be the truth.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    Yeah, they’re so amazing. This fails to take into account the high selectivity of Asian immigration. It also ignores the third generation Asian American decline in socioeconomic achievement and educational attainments, which approaches parity with white American levels.

  • “They are more likely to explain the problems in personal rather than cultural terms.”

    I was 23 the first time I crossed the Mason-Dixon line and drove to Maine. I was shocked at how different the culture and even the language was. I knew I was Southern, but I had no idea how much, and I’m not a hillbilly, I’m suburban. The above quote and my own experience makes me wonder if we are able to see how much our cultures actually influence us.

  • KevinPhillipsBong

    “Mr Chua also says that “ambient cultural disharmony” has its strongest impact on people who regard themselves as open-minded. Closed-minded people expect cultural tensions. Open-minded people don’t expect them and so react to them more strongly.”

    A few years back there was another study that showed that interracial conversations were judged as more positive when the white involved was more prejudiced (it was reported here on AmRen).

    • WR_the_realist

      Mr. Chua discovered that realistic people are less surprised by reality than unrealistic people.

      Who would have guessed?

  • Massif1

    Story to share:

    A multimillion dollar company that operates around the world bought a small company in Los Angeles and set up shop. Eventually the old manager in charge of day to day operation in a small downtown office was replaced by a more colorful black man. The black manager was deliberately creating hostile environment and forcing people to quit. Those that did not quit were treated like crap.

    The black manager replaced the old employees, which were white, latino, and asian, with his own latinos and blacks, but some former employees filled lawsuits and the company had to close shop in Los Angeles.

    Enjoy diversity.

  • emiledurk16

    Didn’t know we needed a “Freudian phrase” to illustrate the
    downside of diversity.

    Language barriers…less trust….degraded neighborhoods….less
    collective corporation…lowering of standards….no cultural unity…

    I can see the welfare ranks swelling with tens of thousands
    of , eh, “diverse” people allegedly suffering from Ambient Cultural Disharmony
    Syndrome. when a caring and sensitive shrink (Dr. Fawn Liebowitz, PhD) suggests
    its a disabling affliction.

    • Ella

      You-know-who will eventually displace themselves out of a job, but they don’t think ahead of their own future generations. From certain journals they also speak of losing power in 30-50 years in the USA as significant Latin and Asians groups continue to grow. I’m sure they have their own private exit and choice country soon after the US collapses. Whites need to get on the bandwagon and racialize some politics to have a future place in America.

  • mrcan

    Surprise, surprise… surprise!! College educated White liberal’s assume good-naturedly and niavely that all other cultures and races are like them. They go to work and get a reality check, their cultural narrative doesn’t fit with reality, any more than victims of the knockout game believed Blacks were simply harmless entertainers. Now , thankfully there is academic scholarship illustrating up the dangers of multiculturalism. It doesn’t work! Repeat! It doesn’t work! It can’t work!

    • Mack0

      Blacks can’t even maintain a level of civility with each other. How does anyone expect them to behave in an environment that requires them to associate with other cultures and races.

  • WR_the_realist

    I work in a small company with some Asian Indians, some Orientals, a couple of Jews, and some whites. We get along fine. But this has nothing to do with our “diversity”. It has to do with the fact that everybody is smart, knows his job well, and knows that his bonus depends upon the whole company doing well. Crucially, nobody was hired because of his “diversity”.

    At its best, diversity is completely neutral. At its worst, it leads to civil war and genocide.

    • Zounds123

      I’ve often wondered how a race-realist point of view evolves over time in a work environment like yours. Doesn’t the obligation of daily mixing have the force of multi-cultural propaganda so that you feel you must change your views? Don’t you feel by working there, you are aiding multi-culturalism?

      • WR_the_realist

        There is no multicultural propaganda where I work. There are meetings about getting the work done. As a race realist, I am unsurprised that the small company I work for has no black employees but does have Jewish and Asian employees, despite the fact that there are a lot more blacks than Jews or Asians in this country.

        • Zounds123

          But what about the effect of seeing non-white faces every day, combining with non-whites to achieve goals, going for drinks after work with non-whites (or that sort of thing), needing to make interracial friends with coworkers to advance? Doesn’t the feeling of loyalty to whites erode in this environment over time?

          • WR_the_realist

            The effect of seeing some decent, hard working, and intelligent non-whites every day is that you don’t wind up hating everybody who isn’t white. And none of them hate me. That this is seen as baleful by white nationalists is why I’m not one.

    • Ella

      I’m not sure if I believed this at my work site. We’re all well educated with experience, but the company still humiliated Whites to sit through these multicultural sensitivity films or 3-hour seminar showing the typical “dumb” Whitety who made ignorant comments to your saintly nonwhites. The film never showed any rude nonwhites towards European descent persons. PC is at its worst.

      • WR_the_realist

        I work in a small company that does not subject anybody to that sort of idiocy. Of course, I get a couple of down votes from those who don’t believe that diversity can ever be neutral. Well, it can, but just not as often as we wish.

        • Max

          Sometimes, one is voted down for just posting an observation whether or not they necessarily support what they observe to be true.

      • Max

        Much of this diversity training is just boilerplate CYA to give plausible defense against potential lawsuits. How effective this might be I don’t know but remember the depths they plumbed to find a “racist” mens rea with the Zimmerman case.

  • Magician

    I am watching this video and

    http://goo.gl/kktLFc

    It is quite possible that that person is not a white but a middle eastern person with lighter features

  • Zounds123

    Is Dr. Chua related to Amy Chua?

  • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

    Did you and the rest here see the Obama reaction to the news that 1 out of 5 women on college campuses nationwide are raped? He hasn’t figured out that these are his sons!

  • SiniticMan

    “Mr Chua also says that “ambient cultural disharmony” has its strongest impact on people who regard themselves as open-minded. Closed-minded people expect cultural tensions. Open-minded people don’t expect them and so react to them more strongly.”

    This was the story of my college experience. Diversity breeds outright distrust in the social space and as a consequence, undermines creativity. Creativity has so much to do with trust and verbal intelligence. It is still my theory as to why Europeans leapfrogged the Chinese in terms of achievements. Without trust, there is no prosperity, cooperation, or exchange of ideas and thus no creativity.

    When I was in high school and much less read on the subject of IQ, I used to view Euro-Americans and Asian Americans as “more connected” compared to Hispanics or Blacks. In retrospect, when I thought of White kids and Asian kids as “more connected”, I was referring to overall cultural similarity. When my family moved to a Whiter area, all of a sudden the people in the neighborhood and schools were much more sharper eyed like us relative to Blacks and Hispanics but Whites were still similar to them in one specific way. Euro-Americans may have similarities with East Asians because of our higher Visuo-Spatial skills relative to Blacks and Hispanics but we differ in verbal intelligence. Not only do Whites have a slightly higher verbal than East Asians but you guys place more of an emphasis on it. For Askenazi Jews, their verbal is drastically so much higher. Even light skinned Blacks and Hispanics often have an emphasis on verbal similar to Whites. It even shows in television where you see Blacks and Hispanics more often (and I don’t buy the demographic argument). They’re better with words and therefore are trusted more by Whites.

    Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics all have one thing in common and that is Abrahamic doctrinal religion. You guys have greater trust in one another than either of you guys have for East Asians. We have all the signs of a people with elevated Visuo-Spatial ability relative to our verbal (larger heads, epicanthic fold, higher percentage of the population needing spectacles, small brow ridges, sharp eyes, neotenous/paedomorphic features, less yappy). And here is an example of this. Look at Kate Gosselin’s half Asian children, if you watch closely in terms of averages, their heads are larger than the heads of white children and their bodies are slightly smaller. Kate Gosselin is more yappy and verbal with her children while Jon is the opposite. In their outings, people seemed less trustworthy of Jon and I could tell just by observing their body language.

    Verbal intelligence especially effects things that deal with trust, cooperation, democracy, free exchange of ideas and thus creativity. Visuo-Spatial intelligence is more directly tied to human evolutionary history in the age between Out of Africa and the neolithic agricultural age. I reason this because Sub-Saharan Africans who stayed in Africa have terribly low V-S faculties whereas the group who traveled the furthest away from Africa (Mongoloid Altaic speaking peoples) have extremely elevated V-S faculties. The people in between have moderate to high verbal (Caucasians).

    Therefore, multiculturalism between Whites, East Asians, Blacks and Hispanics is something that can actually probably workout in the West so long as Verbal Abrahamic doctrinal culture is still emphasized/preferred as the default mode of perceiving the world and so long as East Asian men continue to accept their defiled dejected state of being in the bottom of the barrel by non-Asian women until the point where we are rooted out completely. The whole Adolf Hitler episode to me, seemed like a colossal but failed effort to resort to a form of Caucasian Visuo-Spatial civilization like the one they have in East Asia. Germans often are more sharper eyed, better tinkerers, and stiffer than their other southern European friends. He tried to revert back to an Indo-European Visuo-Spatial mode of civilization prior to Abrahamic religion because even he had to understand that Indo-Europeans were essentially central Asians.

    But with East Asians in East Asia, we just cannot let go of our Visuo-Spatial mode of perceiving the world. We have elevated Visuo-Spatial intelligence, thats what were good at and endowed with because of human evolutionary history. We will still emphasize Visuo-Spatial civilization over verbal but we acknowledge how important verbal is to build trust/prosperity (thus creativity) but we can do this ourselves in time without Abrahamic doctrinal religion or the direct genetic contribution of Whites.

    • Zounds123

      I deny the claim that whites trust blacks more than East Asians. Not in my experience.

      • Max

        Whites find blacks more entertaining than E Asians and most have more experience around blacks.

  • Zounds123

    Don’t trust “The Economist” to analyze the diversity problem. The people who run that magazine would sell out the white race to the Golden Calf in a second.

    • WR_the_realist

      Reading “The Economist” is an excellent way to find out the conventional wisdom of the elites. Of course that conventional wisdom is often laughable.

  • IstvanIN

    I plead the 5th.

  • Truth Teller

    I just caught Engleman in another blatant lie. “in high school, I sat in the cafeteria with my two best friends Chinese Americans. He is my age and claims to have lived all his life in the San Francisco San Jose Oakland area. I know for a fact that back when Engleman was in high school the only high school in the bay area that had Chinese students was Galileo High in San Francisco, the neighborhood school for China town, north beach, marina, and the north east part of the city. The Chinese absolutely did not associate with Whites and blacks. If they did, the other Chinese students would ostracize them. The parents would harshly scold them. The parents found out because the Chinese snitch and shame culture.
    It seems that Jared Taylor has gone the way of National Review and sold himself to the Zionist lobby. Ask yourself why Engleman insults Whites with impunity. Ask yourself why he suddenly appeared about the time when emails facebook, twitter etc were required.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    You already got squashed TT. But, I agree.

    Max Krakah and I had a chat about that last night–the favoritism given Rabbi Engelman (of course, most was erased) but, we noticed some of his agit-prop actually getting deleted. Quite a bit of it actually. Seemed like an attempt toward parity.

    I really don’t think the Rabbi’s elevator is making it to the top, so I (usually) discount him. Once in awhile he guts under my skin, but only in the same way as a neighbor’s yipping Chihuahua.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Yeah, China undercut the solar panel and high end battery markets.
    The greasy snakes that they are–they sold below cost, manipulated their currency–they’ve never had any labor laws, environmental laws–and on and on.

    So, they eventually bankrupted those two green industries in the U.S.–bought up all the companies for pennies on the dollar–with boat loads of patents Americans generated and paid for.

    A123 and Evergreen Solar both come to mind from Massachusetts.

    Of course, Rabbi Engelman sees this sleaze behavior by China as evidence of high IQ. He has a one track mind in that regard. Which is why his rowboat goes in circles.

    • GOTG is the new StarWars

      “Everything east of Europe”

      Including Eastern Europe…

      • AndrewInterrupted

        I made that same point. I would draw the line at the Polish border. You get into Khazarian territory beyond that. I didn’t make any friends making the comment, but I stick to it. The evolution of Brodmann area 10 takes a nosedive after Poland.

        • Karolina

          Wow… perfect… I draw the line at Poland also… lol

          Not sure why everything goes to ^^^^ east of Poland, but it does for some reason… West Slavs are okay in my book, but East and South Slavs are another thing entirely.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Google/Image Khazar and Khazarian and that will start you on your journey for an answer.

          • Karolina

            Yes but there were Huns and Avars that made their way as far as modern-day France… interesting that genetically speaking they have pretty much disappeared. I guess the Khazars and Mongols were much larger populations, but that still doesn’t explain the Negroid levels of violence in my opinion (I don’t use Negroid offensively as it’s a physical description).

            Also the Hungarians were descended from the Huns, correct? You can still see some Mongoloid-looking people in Hungary, but they are overwhelmingly White… ahhh it all gets confusing east of Germanic areas!!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            No doubt that there were many cross-currents over the centuries, but there still remains a genetic, invisible Mason/Dixon line passed Poland.

            What was found by Dr. Paabo was an unusually high concentration of Neanderthal blood, after the Human Genome project recently.

            They dumbed down the Khazaria numbers for political reasons. The Basques were as high as 4%. The Khazarians were above that–some say well above that.

  • William Krapek

    I think I’ve talked about the Nobel Prizes with you. Put their networking together with their outright theft of ideas and you’d probably get to the bottom of most of that number. I know of Einstein. And I just had an argument with someone over “Stephen Jay Gould’s” punctuated equilibria, which was actually a White man’s idea. He can’t understand the difference between someone “helping” you write a paper about your idea and actually coming UP with the idea. I think it should be the standard policy of all White men with good ideas to keep their mouths shut around Jews.

    I believe NOTHING that I’m told about China or Orientals in general until it’s all shaken down properly. SAT scores – as I think I’ve also talked to you about – are certainly inflated by cheating. And how do you explain the fact that White kids catch up with Asians and Jews in college? And pass them? Even though White males are severely discriminated against at Harvard and their numbers are kept artificially low, they beat the snot out of Jews.

  • BaronBaal

    P.S. And John, just so you’ll know, Scandinavians, at 1,484 ml) have the largest brain volume of any other ethnic or racial group.

  • Magician

    They get away

  • Karolina

    I don’t think it’s smart to thrown in Indians and Chinese as “Asians”, as if they were of the same race… clearly they are very distant from each other.

    I understand that Asia can be used as the description of the ‘Asian continent’, but we are not discussing plate tectonics so you meant race I presume.

  • Brian

    I think they’re safe for the moment, as that is still mostly the domain of Serious People Who Have To Deal With Reality On The Ground. EE design has a way of weeding out those who are infected with the cultural Marxist virus. Whether a circuit works matters; whether it’s sufficiently Diverse doesn’t feed the bulldog.

    Besides, our circuits are already Integrated. [ducks tomatoes]

  • pcmustgo

    me too…