ACLU: College Cancelled Concert Because Band Members Were ‘Not Black Enough’

Timothy Dionisopoulos, Campus Reform, December 9, 2013

Administrators at Hampshire College (Hampshire) cancelled a Halloween concert last month because the lead singer of the band scheduled to perform was “not black enough,” the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) alleged in a letter to the school’s president.

“Hampshire’s justification for the cancellation and censorship has morphed over the past two weeks,” wrote the ACLU in the letter  to Jonathan Lash, the school’s president. “The genesis of the decision, as you know rested on the accusation that this afro-funk band had insufficient representation of people of color.”

The band, which was to perform at Hampshire, located in Amherst, MA, is called “Shokazoba,” and specializes in Afrobeat music style, according to MassLive, a local online publication which recently obtained the ACLU’s letter.

The school did pay Shokazoba, which has one African-American band member, despite the fact they were not allowed to perform.

ACLU official William Newman slammed the school’s decision to cancel the event in the Nov. 15, letter, saying the decision was clearly race-based.

“Comments posted on the event Facebook page, maintained and monitored by the college, stated that the African-American lead singer was not black enough,” he wrote.

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  • borogirl54

    What did they mean that the lead singer was not “black enough”? Was he too light skinned?

    • [Guest]

      A photo of the band can be seen at the link. I’m not sure which is the singer.

      • Xerxes22

        It must be the female in the middle of the photo. She looks like a octoroon. That was probably the only Black person that the band members could find in their upscale secluded communities.

        • Max Krakah

          serves them right though. This is how all negro worshipers should be treated.

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          • Spartacus

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          • freddy_hills

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    • TheCogitator

      I think it is the woman who is the singer and the black. I guess that school would say that Halle Berry is not black enough.

      Liberalism is truly a mental disease.

  • Spartacus

    I love it when wiggers suffer.

    • sbuffalonative

      I’ll bet they don’t even understand the depth of this issue and what it’s really all about..

    • Katherine McChesney

      LOL

  • Fair Dinkum

    So now the ACLU suddenly cares about white people?

    • So CAL Snowman

      Every now and then the ACLU will throw us a token bone.

  • [Guest]

    The real story might be that white people would form an Afrobeat band called Shokazoba and that other white people would listen to them.

  • MekongDelta69

    None of us on AmRen could work in a University. Why? Because all of us have IQs above single digits and we’ve all been declared mentally sane.

    “Play that funky music white boy…”

    • Actually the University would declare us insane by way of acute racism.
      So that would be the reason we wouldn’t be offered employment.

  • Eddie Lutz

    I don’t feel sorry for these whiggers at all.

    • Max Krakah

      They just found out that they are white, it must have come as a shock to them.

  • Luca

    Proof positive that people are being judged by the color of their skin and not by the content of their character.

    how is this not blatant discrimination? i assume the legal argument will be that Whites can’t be discriminated against because they have “privilege”.

  • Ragehol .

    I wish we could kick blacks out for appropriating White Everything. The wheel, phonetic and alphabetic language, mathematics, germ theory, electricity, etc.

    • Lagerstrom

      Yes, and leave them to their silly music.

  • Strike_Team

    Nothing is black enough anymore. Or brown enough given certain situations.

    What the ACLU should be saying is that the school felt the band was “too white”. But that isn’t something the ACLU would want to get into. After all, most things to them are “too white”.

    • me

      Pretty soon the ‘progressives’ will ban winter, snow, milk, marshmallows, white bread, angel wings, old people’s hair, lilies, roses, white paint, paper, books, and light….

  • DonReynolds

    Ask anyone you know…..if a music event had been canceled because there were “too many ni**ers” in the band…….would there be any complaint? Or what about, “oh, I did not know you were a white band….you cannot play that music here”?

  • Svigor

    White musicians were “appropriating black music.”

    What did I just say in yesterday’s Santa Claus thread? 99% of “African-American” culture is “appropriated” from European-Americans (everything from pants to cars to English to civil rights). But that’s okay. In fact, it’s “raciss” to mention that. But when European-Americans “appropriate” a single crumb back, it’s front page news as far as libs are concerned.

    Libs behave as though blacks are retards; they must be coddled constantly and in every way, and never, ever treated equally.

    That would make a great subject of academic study, actually – to look at how similarly libs treat blacks and retards.

    • IstvanIN

      But we took a lot from African culture. Look at all the young people getting tribal tattoos, stretched ear-lobes and assorted lip piercings. Where would we be without those?

      • iberianpride

        Tribal tattoos are actually based on polynesian Art/culture, not african. Nothing wrong with Whites getting tattoos, Otzi the 5000 year old Alpine Iceman had tattoos !!

        • IstvanIN

          They are still primitive and retrograde, from my opinion. We aren’t Otzi, we are not living 5,000 years ago, and we are certainly more advanced than Polynesians. To each his own, but permanently altering one’s body for the sake of what is in fashion today seems a bit extreme. Funny clothes and makeup can be changed, strange hair colors will grow out, but body modifications are forever.

          • Max Krakah

            Most people who get tattoos regret them later on. They are a great thing for employers though, it is the stupid people marking themselves.

      • me

        Actually, the Vikings of the Nords had tattoos for centuries. There is a lot of beautiful examples of Nordic/Viking tattoos on the internet. These kids are proud of their Nordic heritage and use symbols and runes that are a testimony to their proud heritage. Skoal!

    • Libs behave as though blacks are retards

      Where would they get a silly idea like that?

    • me

      Yeah, but what’s the difference? With a median IQ of 85, most Bantus are clinically mentally retarded/’developmentally disabled’.

    • ViktorNN

      “Libs behave as though blacks are retards; they must be coddled constantly and in every way, and never, ever treated equally.”

      This is such a good point, thanks for making it. I’ve come to the same conclusion as well.

      The only thing more irritating than hearing white liberals spout their condescending “we steal everything from blacks” nonsense, is hearing blacks turn around and repeat the same drivel like trained monkeys.

      It’s actually kind of amusing to hear blacks repeat white liberal nonsense, they always talk as though they’re saying something very profound and important.

  • David Ashton

    Stop “appropriating” black “music”.

  • smedley

    Members of the band immediately went out and beat up several elderly shoppers at malls, smoked marijuana in public and when police approached accused them of racism and interrupted a class on Greek philosophers and claimed Plato was black. They then returned to Hampshire college and asked “black enough for ya?”

  • iberianpride

    “appropriating black culture” what a joke, where do those idiots think Jazz and Blues evolved from?

    • Go on, tell us.

    • Luca

      The blacks mimicked, improvised what they heard and crafted it into something they felt comfortable with. Much like the musical version of ebonics.

      Before Africans were exposed to the White man, all they did was beat drums and blow a bone flute that had two notes. There is no doubt that they have genetic musical and dancing ability but it is on a primitive level.

      African Americans produced more music because of their heavy exposure to White society, White DNA and unscrupulous record producers who saw that young Whites would buy anything that was considered, taboo, sexual, avant-garde or rebellious. Then came the liberal Hollywood propaganda machine with it’s worship of any negro achievement no matter how primitive or minuscule. Celebrating things like R&B, Jazz, hip-hop etc as if it were on a par with a cure for cancer, when in fact, most of it is a social cancer.

  • A few of us at the old MCI in Colorado Springs got together one Sunday afternoon twenty years ago to see if we could still play our instruments. On keyboards was one of our HR reps, a black guy. He was stunned when I correctly played the (partly syncopated) bass line of Aretha Franklin’s “Respect” with no hesitation.

    That said, they’re generally better at music than we are.

    • M.

      They’re better at some genres of music maybe, but I wouldn’t say at music overall.

      • Max Krakah

        What they are producing today is nothing but jungle noise. There was never a black equivalent to a Mozart, or any real composer for that matter. All they do is improvise, and when they were in a society where they were surrounded by white culture, they improvised within that framework. Without whites though, there is no framework, and what one gets is nothing but banging , screaming, intimidation, basically a voodoo ceremony.

        • “What they are producing today is nothing but jungle noise.”

          I agree. Rap and Hip-Hop degenerated into a filth that I stopped listening to 20 years ago. Note, however, that this music is mostly bought by white teenagers.

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          “All they do is improvise.”

          The essence of jazz is the ability to compose on the fly and make it work.

          ====================

          “There was never a black equivalent to a Mozart, or any real composer for that matter.”

          Your notions of modern harmonies, if you have any, are entirely due to Duke Ellington, who singlehandedly took harmony out of the Middle Ages and placed it squarely in the 20th Century.

          • Max Krakah

            Let’s note that Duke Ellington was a very light skinned black person. There was much European ancestry in him.

          • What fraction black may a person be while still being acceptable to you as a human being?

          • Max Krakah

            They are not human beings, sorry you don’t get that and are so self righteous about your insanity

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Don’t get me wrong. I like some jazz. However, the essence of the modes used is where the scale begins, which changes the intervals if one plays only the white keys, for example. On top of that are the chord substitutions and progressions. It doesn’t take a genius to understand whats going on, but a lot of it is godawful and horrible to listen to.

          • Max Krakah

            bee bop was the biggest music con job of all time. It appealed to the “white negro” though, those white people that forced themselves to listen to that crud, talked in black slang and did this all as an excuse to avoid work and be sexually promiscuous. They lived out their “black” fantasy and it meant being lazy, being licentious, not even bothering to ever learn an actual piece of music but to just wing some god awful crud. WE have one who has joined this discussion.

          • Kenner

            You don’t define who ‘we’ are. You can’t disagree without launching a name-calling personal attack…it runs through all your posts. Wise up.

      • True somewhat, yet I stand by my remarks since I used the word “generally”. Let me give you my notion of why, based on my experience as a former music producer …

        For whites the musical priorities seem to be melody, harmony and rhythm, in that order. For blacks they seem to be rhythm, harmony and melody, exactly the reverse.

        EDIT: To put it simply, this is why blacks don’t sing “Greensleeves” and whites don’t do the Hand Jive.

        • Max Krakah

          I hear only rhythm in todays black music, which I have the misfortune of having to listen to at times. In african music, there was never any harmony nor melody before white people came . That was something the missionaries introduced to them but one can see how foreign it is to their nature as they are quickly dropping both. What I hear today is more often than not a simplistic beat, and some gang banger speaking in monotone in a threatening manner over the beat and liberally sprinkling the n word and the m f word throughout everything. Then you have “dub step” which has not even a consistent beat, but sounds like a down syndrome person playing with a synthesizer. Let’s be real hear,the likes of a Duke Ellington or Nat King Cole will never be seen again. They were a product of black people imitating something foreign to them.

          • “I hear only rhythm in todays black music.”

            Agreed, and not very interesting rhythm. They confuse their rhyming doggerel of today with poetry, which is what they feel they are creating..

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            “In atrican music, there was never any harmony nor melody before white people came.”

            How do you know this?

            ===============

            Re Ellington imitating something foreign to him, you simply do not know what you’re talking about. He wasn’t imitating anything, he showed the music world how to use those theoretical chords that had been lying around for a hundred years, the chords that sounded dissonant to ears accustomed to “Oh Susannah”.

            ===============

            I certainly haven’t made a scientific study of your posts but you seem to blindly loathe every aspect of black people and their culture, going so far as to deny any positive influences on US white culture.

          • Max Krakah

            So a light skinned black person, who is most likely of generous European ancestry and has the ability to understand some old European music, is “african” influence? I have not scientifically analyzed your posts but you seem to be a person that has not abandoned his negro worship brainwashing and desperately seeks to find something of value in a people that have been a definite negative in the history of this country. Wow, so you have some music that is of questionable worth and that is supposed to make it all seem worthwhile? We would have been better off without them. Look, you were in the music business, nuff said.

          • “We would have been better off without them.”

            Absolutely. But the USA is stuck with them (though Alyeska will not be) and you will not be able to undo this without engaging in genocide. So …

            Enjoy barbeque. Enjoy Eddie Murphy. Enjoy pimpmobiles, high-fiving, SOHO fashion, fist bumps …

            … Or do you spend a lot of time making sure that absolutely no black influences touch your life?

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Blacks invented Barbeque? Perhaps human barbeque. It is certainly not that they haven’t contributed anything positive, it is that the cons greatly outweigh the pros. But you already know that..

          • Yes, blacks — US slave blacks, not African blacks — invented barbeque. When it comes to meat they were given the bones and they learned to make wonderful food from Massa’s trash.

            ======================

            “… the cons greatly outweigh the pros. But you already know that.”.

            Yes, I already know that. Now I’m going to address some remarks to the readership at large, especially those who are reflexively hostile to me, using your post as an excuse …

            =======================

            Racial group IQ scores by themselves are excellent predictors of racial group success in the First World regarding both economic success and civility. However, those scores simply stack the deck. You have to play the hand you were dealt, not somebody else’s hand, especially not a hand that was played some time ago by your tenth cousin fifty generations removed..

            The common enemy of everyone on this site is the statist, redistributionist, thought-policing left, who are using class warfare and racial divisions to destroy capitalism by destroying the historic American middle class.

            While I believe that ultimately the races should be separated — multiculturalism has been a disaster for us and for most other places where it has been tried — the fact is that there are people of other races who are smarter than I am, and more talented, and more accomplished, and who feel just as threatened as I do by what is going on. I welcome them as political allies regardless of race, at least for now.

            While I believe that in practice the only solution that can work is secession — secession of someplace like Alaska, which nobody is going to fight hard to retain — in the struggle to achieve a restart of personal freedom and unfettered capitalism I will work with and, yes, fight alongside, any like-minded person who wants to focus on, and is capable of, making the woodpile higher than when they found it, regardless of whether they are black, red, brown, yellow or white.

            We can argue the rest of it out a hundred years from now. At the moment the question is how to survive. I believe that the USA is going to undergo an irreversible financial collapse resulting in civil and racial war. If white culture is to survive it’s going to need all the help it can get from individuals who admire the culture and can/will contribute to it, regardless of their genetic makeup.

          • Max Krakah

            History is full of examples where populations were expelled. There are no more Germans living in “Prussia” in case you have not noticed. I do not enjoy black actors, I do not enjoy the presences of blacks people at all. My spider sense starts tingling and that comes from years of experience to the point where I can predict every single thing they will do.I think many white people are like me, they once may have watched an Eddie Murphy movie, but no more. I avoid blacks as much as possible, I detest white people who imitate blacks too doing the fist pump BS. Sorry you are one of those types. Why don”t you wear dreadlocks and the silly african hats and robes since you think “enjoying diversity” is so great. Are the people in Europe living such awful lives for the lack of such things? Why don’t you try to enjoy Wiener Schnitzle, sauerkraut, yorkshire pudding, BMW’s, Jaguars, Volkswagens, bluegrass music, European folk music? de gustibus non est disputandum.

          • “I detest white people who imitate blacks too doing the fist pump BS. Sorry you are one of those types. Why don”t you wear dreadlocks and the silly african hats and robes since you think “enjoying diversity” is so great.”

            Oh my. See how it’s done, folks? He takes a remark, blows it up all out of proportion, attacks a fun-house-mirror version of the blown up remark and then insists that the result is an accurate portrayal of my views.

            Not only that, because I’ve seen fist bumps and find them amusing, it follows that I hate … what was it? Oh yes … “Wiener Schnitzle, sauerkraut, yorkshire pudding, BMW’s, Jaguars, Volkswagens, bluegrass music, European folk music.”

            =========================

            I wish I were more like Max Krakah. His powers of reasoning, his in-depth detective work, his ability to divine character and belief from scraps of information all are appalling amazing.

          • Kenner

            You nailed it. Something off with this dude.

          • “Something off with this dude.”

            Not necessarily. He and I have had perfectly rational discussions on other subjects.

            I think — hope — that what we’re seeing here is simply the corrosive effect of 100+ years of left wing debating tactics coloring the approach to discussion of too many people on our side.

    • Max Krakah

      LOL! WHITE guys wrote those Aretha Franklin songs, and most of the musicians accompanying her were WHITE as well. The only thing blacks bring to music is screaming.

      • The Fox Office lists (black man) Otis Redding as the author of “Respect”. That was a Stax/Volt recording. The players will have been the usual Stax mixture of white and black.

        The Franklin version was done by Atlantic Records. The producers were white (one of them Turkish) as was the recording engineer. To my knowledge the players were black Atlantic house session guys. On piano is Aretha herself, her gospel roots showing in her playing as well as her singing.

        • Max Krakah

          Jerry Wexler and Arif Martin, both white, were producers of the AF version, The pianist was white-Spooner Oldham, The three sax players where black. The Ottis Reading version never made it mainstream, it sounds very much like most RB which follows a cookie cutter approach where the instrumentation, beat, and motifs all are the same, it could be a James Brown song. IT is very different from the AF version. It took white guys to clean this up and produce something good.

          • I don’t care what that Wikipedia article says. Aretha herself said that it was she on piano.

            That all James Brown music apparently sounds the same to you — and apparently you scoff at it — suggests that you are musically deprived. That’s unfortunate for you.

          • Max Krakah

            you trust a black woman? HAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA . I guess you believe they built the pyramids too! James brown produced nothing but NOISE. Go worship your negroes in private.

          • I was aware of Aretha Franklin long before “Respect”. The teenage Aretha was the pride and joy of the award-winning gospel group known as The Reverend James Cleveland and the Southern California Baptist Choir. (If that name isn’t exactly right, it’s close.)

            No, blacks did not build the pyramids but yes, black Nubians apparently ruled Egypt for a few decades during the Middle Kingdom.

            Regarding worshipping blacks, I’m a race realist, not a white supremacist. I have to tell you that your rigid attitudes probably would result in your being denied entry to Alyeska — you would fail the attitudes check. (Readers may want to check out the What If? / Nation of Alaska section of my website.)

          • me

            Attitude check in the new Alyeska utopia. Tells me all I need to know…

          • Alyeska will need people who are willing to concentrate on the common goal of taming the central Alaskan wilderness in order to make a better place to live for their descendants. In part that means leaving the Old Country and most of its current attitudes behind.

            If Alyeska is to be free of racial strife it will need to be free of people who are not willing to simply define the race issue out of existence and then ignore it. It will be better to simply stop you at the border than to try to educate you.

            If you now know everything you need to know about my views, fine. You may be more comfortable as part of the Covington group vision for the Pacific Northwest.

            =====================

            By the way, there will be nothing utopian about Alyeska, certainly not at first, when life will be very difficult. It’s going to take a special breed of person to turn their backs on the Lower 48, embrace unfettered capitalism, embrace self-reliance, and then accept whatever the future brings after the best efforts of a select group of people.

          • Lagerstrom

            Well…it’s all a matter of taste. Personally, I find motown, soul and funk rather annoying. That’s just me. I don’t like any of the lyrics either.

            The saturation/repetition that is forced on the general public by radio stations certainly doesn’t help.

      • dwpittelli

        I’ll spot you Howlin’ Wolf. But ever hear of Jimi Hendrix? B.B. King? Buddy Miles? Muddy Waters? James Brown?

        • Max Krakah

          Thank yoiu for making my point, they were all lousy. de gutibus non set disputandem

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Yeah, no they aren’t.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      Get back to me with all those great compositions from the acclaimed Nigerian Symphony Orchestra. Hip hop, R&B, Blues, Jazz and Motown are all ripoffs of Western European musical styles, instruments and technology. My eyes light up when anyone says that White people ripped anything off from tribal Africans … its great to set them straight and see that look of contemptuous defeat on their faces.

      • “My eyes light up when anyone says that White people ripped anything off from tribal Africans … its great to set them straight and see that look of contemptuous defeat on their faces. ”

        ———————————-

        The clarity of your thought and the depth of your research have impressed and convinced me. I’m so ashamed.

        To console myself I’m going to sit down to a nice meal of baby back ribs, the kind of cooking everybody knows was invented in Germany in 950 AD by the hero chefs of the Teutons.

      • ViktorNN

        You’re absolutely correct, of course.

        The standard politically correct claptrap that gets repeated over and over in our society is that blacks excel at music and that white people are always stealing black music. What most people don’t realize is that at the heart of this lie is white liberal guilt.

        Simply put, it comes from smug, self-righteous liberal whites who think they’re “building up” blacks by “giving them recognition.” Frankly, if I were a black person, I would be offended, but instead they’ve internalized the narrative quite happily and so now it’s not uncommon to run across smug, toothy blacks repeating the exact white liberal lines. It’s a form of “cultural welfare” actually, when you really take a hard look at it.

        On the other hand, the truth isn’t that hard to dig up nor is it difficult to explain. The so-called “black music” that white people have supposedly stolen is almost entirely white. White Western music theory is at the basis of American black music. Black American music would not exist without it. Black American musicians have almost exclusively relied upon white musical technology, and they’ve contributed almost nothing to the development of that technology. Blacks continue to make very little inroads towards being able to play at the virtuoso level in anything other than jazz, and the same goes for composing music at the very highest levels.

    • ViktorNN

      Can’t agree with you. Modern music theory on which all contemporary music is based is a Western white invention.

      The richest, most complex music ever created was by white composers, and to play such difficult music requires a level of virtuosity that traditionally has only been achieved by white musicians.

      White musicians continue to be the best at playing this most difficult music, and white composers continue to dominate in making the most complex and conceptually richest music today.

      Personally, I don’t feel the need to make such things a competition between the races – but let’s get real – white music and white musicians are hands down the best. Is it even arguable?

      • “Modern music theory on which all contemporary music is based is a Western white invention.”

        That’s absolutely the case. However, the seemingly dissonant theoretical chords lay around gathering dust till people like Ellington revealed their ultimate consonance by showing us how to use them, not how to construct them.

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        ” … white musicians are hands down the best. Is it even arguable?”

        Yes. The fact is that blacks are overrepresented in the world of music just as they are overrepresented in the world of violent crime. For both issues it’s clear to me that it’s genetic.

        No, most blacks don’t listen to classical music. But guess what — most whites don’t either, just as most whites don’t listen to improvisational modern jazz, where again blacks are overrepresented.

        • ViktorNN

          1. Ellington is one black composer in a sea of white faces. According to your argument – that blacks are better musicians than whites -there should be many, many more Ellingtons. There aren’t.

          2. “Overrepresentation” does not necessarily equal “better at music.”

          Black American hip hop and R&B is the stuff that the big multinational media corporations are selling. And there’s no arguing that it’s the stuff that the international underclass seems to want. But to say that blacks are better musicians in this sense is like saying that McDonald’s sells the best hamburgers. It’s sh*t music being sold to people with no taste. I will grant that they’re the best at that.

          Also, black musicians for the most part ply their trade in this subcultural musical ghetto of their own making and they stay there. There is no significant black presence in other musical genres. And the number of virtuosic musicians from around the world in every other genre dwarfs the number of “overrepresented” black musicians. If they were truly better at playing music than whites (or anyone else) you’d expect they would be dominant in all sorts of other musical genres aside from their own. They’re not.

          All that being said, midcentury jazz is some of the greatest music the world’s ever heard and the black hand in that is irrefutable. But again, does the accomplishment of that era mean they’re better than whites? Of course not. Honestly, in the broad sweep of history, it’s a 50 year blip.

          • “… there should be many, many more Ellingtons. There aren’t.”

            Count Basie
            Quincy Jones
            Thelonius Monk
            Cannonball Adderly
            Pee Wee Ellis

            I could go on but I won’t. Presumably you don’t like black music of the past and refuse to credit it as being significant music.

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            “… there is no significant black presence in other musical genres.”

            Reggae

            Afro-Cuban Jazz

            Afrobeat

            I could go on but again I won’t. Again it comes down to what you’re willing to credit as being music and what you’re willing to listen to from the viewpoints of craftsmanship and professionalism.

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            “But again, does the accomplishment of that era mean they’re better than whites? Of course not.”

            I never said that. I said that they’re generally better at music than whites and that I believe this to be genetic.

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            I will say this, ViktorNN, you do make me stop and think …

            I hope that the blip is the last twenty years rather than the fifty that preceded them. Time will tell. In the meantime I’m still listening to James Brown, and to the JB Horns. Funk/soul is far from all I listen to, but it’s my musical home base.

          • ViktorNN

            1. Your list of black geniuses is still quite short. For being better genetically than whites at music, you would think the list would have many more names listed. I will save you the trouble – any list you come up with will be shorter than a comparable list of white musicians and composers.

            2. The different genres you mention are black music genres. For being better genetically than whites, I would expect them to dominate in a wide variety of genres including non-black derived forms of music. For example, look at well some asians have taken to Western classical music. For the most part, blacks stay in their musical ghetto and that’s about it.

            Despite the evidence to the contrary, I doubt I will change your mind, but for the benefit of others I think it’s pretty clear that while blacks certainly have great musical ability and a musical history to be proud of – they also certainly aren’t “better” at music genetically than whites. Or at least that evidence hasn’t been shown so far.

            And yes, I agree, I hope blacks get back to creating great music again someday.

          • Given that symphonic music is a dead art form, it’s actually whites who are emulating blacks in music, so much so that they don’t even know it any more.

            Short musical compositions are the norm now. You can decry the short attention span as radio driven but then you’d have to explain the dearth of long compositions on alternative FM radio. To the extent that long ones are played, they are overwhelmingly jazz.

            The entire world has embraced the blues-derived 12-bar and 16-bar AABA song structure that underlies most of American pop music, including country and Cajun. It’s as deeply satisfying at some generic level as the American television news format, which has also taken over the world (but is a white development).

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            No, you won’t convince me, nor I you. These forum debates never settle anything but are usually both educational and entertaining for the readership at large.

            I’ll give you the last word.

          • ViktorNN

            So far you have cited a list of six black composers and the 12 bar song structure as your evidence for black genetic superiority to white people in music making. The rest of your argument is just assertion.

            Sorry, but it’s not a compelling argument by any standard.

            And I say this as a fan of some black music. I think they’re an accomplished people when it comes to music, and they should rightfully be proud.

            But genetically better than white people in music making?

            Naw. Not even close.

            I think a better way to put it is to say that they have a pronounced genetic disposition towards making music that would rank them as one of the more musical races compared to others.

            As a general rule, I’m not particularly interested in trying to argue which race is genetically superior to which race in this or that. I think all races of humans deserve respect and the right to exist.

            But sometimes the evidence that one race is superior to others is just so stark and obvious, there’s little point in pretending the difference doesn’t exist.

            The evidence of music history is overwhelming: white people are clearly genetically superior to all other races when it comes to music.

    • Kenner

      Well, maybe not all music– that was a thumbs up for Aretha’s ’67-’72 stint at Atlantic. Amazing.

  • Pelagian

    Hampshire College is also apologizing retroactively for booking the blue-eyed soul bands the Righteous Brothers and the Box Tops in the 60s.

    • Lagerstrom

      Newsflash! The Kinsmen have to make reparations for Louie Louie!

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    With undercover FBI agents?

  • Paleoconn

    If Obama had White children, they’d look like Shokazoba.

    Why would any Whites want to play this so-called music?