Biden: Don’t Let Immigration Die Like Gun Control

Reid J. Epstein, Politico, November 12, 2013

Vice President Joe Biden’s message to immigration reform advocates: Don’t let your issue die like gun control did.

Speaking on a conference call of Catholic clergy and other faith leaders, Biden said it will be incumbent upon immigration reformers to be louder and more engaged with Congress than reform opponents.

“Work the districts so these members understand how all their constituents feel, not just the loudest ones,” Biden said. “This kind of reminds me of the gun control kind of fights we had, and gun safety. You know, the people who don’t want anything changed to have a more rational position, they’re the ones who show up in large numbers. The ones who strongly support us, they don’t show up. You guys have to show up.”


POLITICO obtained an invitation to the call, which was intended to be a private conversation with advocates. The call was organized by the Catholic social justice agency Network, which plans to distribute 11,000 pro-immigration reform postcards to members of Congress Wednesday.


And Biden asked the faith leaders on the call to encourage friendly Republicans and offered advice on how best to interact with those who remain undecided about including a path to citizenship in an immigration reform package.

“Thank the Representatives when you call who are already in favor of reform, especially the 32 Republicans who have expressed for a path to citizenship,” Biden said. “Give them a little bit of love and appeal to their better angels, the better angels of those who are still on the fence to take a politically courageous decision.”

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  • Why do you think I’m not calling it a win?

    And also…some village in northeastern Pennsylvania is missing its idiot.

    Speaking on a conference call of Catholic clergy and other faith leaders, Biden said it will be incumbent upon immigration reformers to be louder and more engaged with Congress than reform opponents.

    Strange, because I said right here in AR a few days ago that partisan wrangling rather than our letters and phone calls is what killed it. This seems to be a hint that all our screaming may have been what made the difference.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      I don’t know. We might win this yet.

      • MBlanc46

        But defeating “reform” merely means they can’t legalize the millions of illegals already here, it doesn’t mean that millions more won’t keep coming. Winning on immigration means stopping it, or at least returning it to tight regulation.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          Battles and wars…

          How IS that gun control thing going, eh?

    • Oil Can Harry

      We DID win the immigration battle… of 2013.

      The war starts up again in ’14.

      • NM156

        Right after the mid-term election, during the lame duck session.

    • NM156

      Partisan wrangling is “letters and phone calls”. You need to stop with the dumb propaganda. Go on a pub crawl on K Street when an immigration bill is on the table to find out just what “partisan wrangling” means, which is “how to kill the bill so that I don’t look like a racist while avoiding losing my seat and my corporate donors”. Politics is a wilderness of mirrors and an art of double-talking meta-speech.

      • What I meant by “partisan wrangling” is the different expectations that Democrats, RINOs and conservative Republicans have from immigration legislation, those being citizenship ASAP, legalizing lots of new cheap labor without citizenship, and enforcement-heavy, respectively.

        My current job is a curious mix of public relations and lobbying, albeit state government and local governments in my neck of the woods, not Washington, D.C. I am well aware, even before now, that politics can be a mirror funhouse and a whole lot of kabuki theater, and there are a lot of bipartisan friendships. However, that doesn’t change the fact that parties and factions have special interests behind them who don’t care about which politician of which party is friends with which other politician of which other party.

        I said a few days ago that I thought this partisan dynamic instead of our letters and phone calls is what killed it. But Dummy Biden just might have let the cat of the bag when he said here, “it will be incumbent upon immigration reformers to be louder and more engaged with Congress than reform opponents.” As if he was admitting which nobody told us, that we were louder than they wanted us to think we were, and that our screaming is really what made amnesty comatose this time around. Again, something that TPTB would rather us not realize.

  • Homo_Occidentalis

    Obama bin Biden have proved quite the destructive duo. Biden is a pathological traitor on the same level as Ted Kennedy. After having reached young adulthood in the halcyon days of the early 1960’s, he would love nothing greater than to see the America he came of age in ruined for his descendants.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Ted Kennedy Ted Bundy whats the difference, haircut?

      • CoweringCoward


        • Whitetrashgang

          People get all excited if a single man does some violent act yet a person like Kennedy who besides doing a Bundy is responsible for millions of white rapes and murders and destroying the USA gets a pass is beyond sick.The typical serial killer has nothing on a politican

  • Marc Zuckurburg

    We need comprehensive immigration reform.

    Comprehensive immigration reform will raise wages and salaries, strengthen national security, prevent terrorism, enhance our domestic crime-fighting ability, ensure that we continue to encourage the best and brightest to partake of the American dream, enhance our competitiveness and our ability to innovate, and make America more prosperous.

    Make my immigration reform comprehensive, please!

  • ThatguyinTN

    Someone needs to remind preachers of what they are preaching.

    Romans 13:1-7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. The only exception to this is when a law of the government forces you to disobey a command of God (Acts 5:29).
    Illegal immigration is the breaking of a governmental law. There is
    nothing in Scripture that contradicts a nation having immigration laws.
    Therefore, it is a sin, rebellion against God, to illegally enter
    another country.

    However, the biblical fact that we are to
    care for the unfortunate does not mean we should violate the law in
    doing so. Supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging illegal immigration
    is, therefore, also a violation of God’s Word. Those seeking to emigrate
    to another country should always obey the immigration laws of that
    country. While this may cause delays and frustrations, these reasons do
    not give a person the right to violate a law.

    Read more: http://www(dot)gotquestions(dot)org/illegal-immigration.html#ixzz2kfJvGv2E

    • Sick of it

      God also wanted us to stay in our separate nations. That goes back to the Tower of Babel at least (Gen 11).

      • ThatguyinTN

        Yep when he divided the world for something like the 12 sons of somebody I can’t remeber who I would have to look it up

      • NYB

        Christianity also talks about honoring parents. This should be taken to mean: honor the land and heritage your ancestors handed down to you. It is not yours to squander.

        Christianity also talks of Jesus throwing the money traders out of the temple. This should be taken to mean: do not allow bankers and elites of finance to take control of matters of dearest importance to the nation. Throw them out and restore spiritual piety to its rightful place.

        • Sick of it

          If we went back to our Christian roots, certain groups of perpetual liars would no longer be welcome among us. God despises all liars.

  • Erasmus

    Speaking on a conference call of Catholic clergy and other faith leaders, Biden said it will be incumbent upon immigration reformers to be louder and more engaged with Congress than reform opponents.

    The Catholic clergy can go pound sand. They’re not getting another dime from me, and the time for me to reexamine my membership in the church is long past due. I am sick to death of old men who dress like old women pushing a left-wing agenda.

    • Pro_Whitey

      If the Cat-lick clergy wants to minister to people from Mexico, points south of Mexico, Asia, and Africa, then they can go there and minister to them, and even ask their flocks to cough up some bucks for it. No need to bring anyone here. If they are not inclined to travel, then I have a mission for them, which is to try to win back the flock they lost over the past 50 years. That ought to be more than enough to keep them busy.

    • Sick of it

      There are plenty of churches out there who would welcome you. Going back to the Bible itself, in any case, is always best.

    • rowingfool

      Sure, they may dress up like girls, but look at their hands! (which you may do as you kiss the Pope’s ring)

      Strong manly hands corded with muscle and sinew from hours of backbreaking toil in the vineyards midst unbelievers. Calloused, sun-browned hands with bulging veins and cracked, blackened nails earned while caring for His flock of headstrong lambs. Those honest hands bespeak a life of selfless devotion to others which warrants honors justly earned.

      Didn’t Christ say, “By their hands shall ye know them.”?

  • Spartacus

    “Speaking on a conference call of Catholic clergy and other faith
    leaders, Biden said it will be incumbent upon immigration reformers to
    be louder and more engaged with Congress than reform opponents.”


    When exactly is the catholic church gonna lose their tax-exempt status ?

    • Alexandra1973

      Are you kidding, they run the show!

      (Of course your average lay-person isn’t aware.)

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    I am convinced Biden was put on the ticket to make Obama look smart. Biden is easily the dumbest man to have ever held the office of VP in the United States.

    Vice President Joe Biden’s message to immigration reform.

    There’s nothing “reform”about this. It is a fraud and outrage to make millions of illegals legal then allow them to bring entire villages into the U.S. via family reunification.

    Shut up you ignorant, old, loud-mouthed political hack.

  • MBlanc46

    Sounds as if we “reform” opponents had better be better organized than the “reform” supporters.

  • rowingfool

    Excellent post.

    I’m reading The Gulag Archipelago. How was it put? The revolution that devoured its own children? An unmitigated, endless trail of tears.

    Formerly I looked with condescension upon people who spoke of “Cultural Marxism”. Now that I’m reading about the history of their methods, I’m terrified of cultural Marxists.

  • “Don’t let immigration die like gun-control”.

    –Joe Biden

    I agree. Don’t just “let it die”; kill it, make the process hurt it as much as possible and then pound a stake through it so it can’t come back.

  • Blue-eyed Devil

    Biden is Obama’s bitch. Plain and simple. He’s a pathetic bootlicker.

  • jackryanvb

    American Catholic leaders who make their mission amnesty and open borders immigration – it’s OK to insult them, accuse them of promoting, enabling homosexual pedophilia. The other side is never nice and polite, it’s long past time that we do the same.

    If you’re on our side and work to keep out Muslim terrorists, Larasa Zeta cartel thugs, fat, FAT sugar addicted Mexicans looking to gate crash our country and put EVEN MORE FOOD on their family tables – if you’re with us on immigration, we love you, will defend you on most any transgression – I don’t care if you smoked pot in college and inhaled, don’t care if watched a porn video, don’t even care if you are gay (keep it quiet, in the closet).

    As for open border Libertarian loons….

    I expressed my opinion on these people.

    • And yet, white American Catholics in polling are just about as on our side on immigration as white American Protestant evangelicals, in spite of the fact that the Catholic leadership is totally thrown in to the other side, and there are a number of smokescreen potemkin sock puppet evangelical leaders mouthing off about open borders.

      The takeaway from that? White people don’t necessarily take their political cues from religious leaders.

      The big difference, though, is that the Catholic Church is a self-perpetuating aristocracy. It’s practically impossible for hacked off lay people to change the Catholic Church from within. In Protestantville, it’s as easy as bolting and starting a new church.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    I empathize with the sentiment and would love to be the hangman but…

    This is OK for now, ha ha…