Study: Poor Children Are Now the Majority in American Public Schools in South, West

Lyndsey Layton, Washington Post, October 16, 2013

A majority of students in public schools throughout the American South and West are low-income for the first time in at least four decades, according to a new study that details a demographic shift with broad implications for the country.

The analysis by the Southern Education Foundation, the nation’s oldest education philanthropy, is based on the number of students from preschool through 12th grade who were eligible for the federal free and reduced-price meals program in the 2010-11 school year.

The meals program run by the Department of Agriculture is a rough proxy for poverty, because a family of four could earn no more than $40,793 a year to qualify in 2011.

Children from those low-income families dominated classrooms in 13 states in the South and the four Western states with the largest populations in 2011, researchers found. A decade earlier, just four states reported poor children as a majority of the student population in their public schools.

But by 2011, almost half of the nation’s 50 million public-school students—48 percent—qualified for free or reduced-price meals. In some states, such as Mississippi, that proportion rose as high as 71 percent.

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Southern states have seen rising numbers of poor students for the past decade, but the trend spread west in 2011, to include rapidly increasing levels of poverty among students in California, Nevada, Oregon and New Mexico.

The 2008 recession, immigration and a high birthrate among low-income families have largely fueled the changes, said Steve Suitts, vice president of the Southern Education Foundation and an author of the study.

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On average, the country spends about $10,300 annually per student, but that figure varies wildly among states and even within school districts. In 2011, for instance, New York spent $19,076 for each student, while Utah spent $6,212.

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  • Katherine McChesney

    That Chicago ghetto rat in the White House is responsible for this. What I wish for him cannot be posted here.

    • Puggg

      It’s not just him, it’s a whole lot of people of both parties who caused this.

      • Manaphy

        Yea, people like Marco Rubio and Juan McAmnesty keep trying to get us to let in more non-whites iinto our country. God help us all.

        • Jesse James

          Yes I saw today on Drudge that McCain is considering running for the Presidency again in 2016 and I almost had a friggin stroke. Didn’t he screw us bad enough in 2008 when he politely lost to Obama. That RINO bastard didn’t even try to run, the fix was in and it was his job to lose nicely without stirring up any extra animosity towards Obama – in fact he and his team did everything they could to quash legitimate lines of attack against Obama. He is the poster child for the communist idea of controlled opposition. NOT AGAIN – NEVER AGAIN.

          • NordicHeritage

            He will be 80 years old in 2016. Isn’t time for him to shuffle of to a retirement home?

          • Jefferson

            I would only vote for a politician in his 80s for president if he was in excellent shape like Sylvester Stallone for example.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            I want James Woods to run. Born in Utah and the son of a U.S. Army Intelligence Officer, he is a true patriot. Woods says he is the only conservative in the industry.

            Anyone who says the following is my kind of guy.
            [edited for brevity]:
            [snip] “feminists have destroyed the world as we know it. [snip] It has just destroyed relationships between men and women. Men and women are very wary of each other now.”
            “Barbara Boxer is [snip] the most worthless, hypocritical “feminist” loser on the face of the earth.”

          • joesolargenius

            Mr. Woods is also considered to be the smartest actor in Hollywood with an alleged IQ of 184 ,however I am fairly certain that he is a real jerk at heart although that may make him an asset in the fight against our enemies.

          • Jesse James

            I think he is just messing with us because he knows how much some of us despise him.

          • Maybe we could give him back to North Vietnam.

          • Puggg

            Not the Presidency, but another term in the Senate. That’s bad enough IMO

          • Jesse James

            Sorry guys that was sloppy of me, I just saw the headline and made the wrong assumption. Yes we don’t need him in the Senate either. Why can’t he just friggin retire and go play golf?

          • Puggg

            Power is just as addictive as wealth, sex, drugs, alcohol, gambling.

  • Puggg

    Public schools in the south and west mean blacks and hispanics. Pretty simple.

    I am told that in some parts of the south, the public schools are blacker than just the straight demographics would suggest because whites don’t even bother with the public schools.

    • joesolargenius

      There are lots of poor white students in Southern Public Schools and they suffer very badly especially the White Males whom have no Role Models or heroes to stand up for them.The Homosexuals have gained power through the good old girl network and are in control of how these White Male students are treated which is why these kids are openly bullied by Blacks.

      • Jesse James

        You are right Joe, a lot of these young men are without live in fathers, they see more and more of the highest quality girls going into inter-racial relationships with blacks or hispanics, they feel the constant grinding down by a hostile school system and culture, many are adrift and many hide themselves in a haze of video games and pot smoke.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Or they will turn into the darkies worst nightmare along with the white females who rejected them. This is an already ugly situation that soon will be even uglier for whites. If there is one weakness we will have to address, it is our women and girls.

          • Spartacus

            This is one thing me and the multi-cultists have in common – I want to learn from different cultures too, and take the good ideas they have. For example, we could learn a lot about how to prevent feminism and other such mental illnesses from Saudi Arabia .

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            We don’t need to be looking to backwards cultures for inspiration. We can look into our own past in regards to how both males and females properly acted as recently as the 50s.

          • Sick of it

            You and I both know that the Christian religion was the backbone of all such traditional values. Today, people openly mock God.

          • NordicHeritage

            Christianity is a joke nowadays. Your point might be valid if we are speaking about pre reformation times. And even then the cons outweigh the pros as far as Christianity is concerned.

          • Garrett Brown

            Christianity is the reason why most “conservatives” don’t believe in race nor treating others differently in the first place. Because as we all know, “Jesus loves everyone”.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            A quick look at the Bible proves that is not the case. Look no farther then where Jesus called out the Jews, the Pharisees in particular. He made it abundantly clear that he did not “love everyone.” Neither should we.

          • Garrett Brown

            HArdly any modern day Christians understand what the bible truly says and means, which is my point. My own mother thinks do not eat nor lay with beasts of the field means actual animals. It’s pathetically sad.

          • NordicHeritage

            Time to go back to Scarlett letter A and shaming these white girls into acting right.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            There is no better Scarlett Letter for a white person period than mixed race kids. Moreover, it is also a Scarlett Letter for them too.

          • Jesse James

            There is nothing sadder than seeing a sad faced white Southern grandmother pushing her daughters mulatto offspring through the mall. Interestingly you almost never see black grandparents with these kids. Perhaps they have more sense.

          • Jefferson

            You look up to Saudi Arabian culture ? So you want to stone women to death and prevent them from getting driver’s licenses ?

          • Spartacus

            Still better than the filth we’re wallowing in today…

          • Jefferson

            Since you think Saudi Arabian culture is so superior and advanced, White Western countries should open up their doors to let in millions of more Saudis.

            After all Saudi culture is so compatible with Western culture. Saudis are just darker skin “White” people right ?

          • Spartacus

            Wait, what ? I did not say that !

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Jefferson, a lot of people in this movement are in love with Muslims just because they are an enemy of a certain other group that lives in the Middle East. It is absurd and dangerous logic to be going by.

          • Kenner

            In this case, the enemy of our enemy is NOT our friend.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            They are NOT enemies, that is a subterfuge many whites will find out is precisely that way too late to save them or their families from slavery, or death. They are allies in dispossessing and exterminating us in our own lands. The Spaniards know this. The Slavs know this. The Greeks, Serbs, Hungarians and Bulgarians know this.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I am noticing that less and less of young whites from both genders really know how to properly act anymore. It is really sad.

          • Sick of it

            I got onto my nephew not too long ago about his behavior in a store and, much to my surprise, my mother took his side rather than teaching him proper values. Most seem to give in these days.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            I agree with that, it is revolting to see.

          • Ella

            These girls have very weak identities and low self-esteem. She may end up pregnant by some Black con-artist just telling her that she is loved. If a daughter receives plentiful attention/protection from her father, she will not look at Black men and then, pursue higher goals in life. Fathers can send a strong message of disapproval that can affect their daughters’ values at early age. Too much pressure can result in rebellion.

          • Sick of it

            Too little discipline yields nothing but a mess. That’s what I’m seeing today.

        • Jefferson

          Where do you live where it is mostly high quality White women that are dating Black men ?

          In my neck of the woods, 9 times out of 10 it is usually lower income obese White trash women that are dating Black males.

          • Jesse James

            I live in Georgia and the women you describe are the first one that I saw years ago dating blacks. I remember at the time thinking they were no big loss. Now more and more it is some of the best looking girls that are dating blacks. I am too old to know what these young people are thinking but I did ask a young friend of mine. He just shrugged his shoulders and said yeah white girls come in three types now, those that date other whites, those that date blacks and those that date Mexicans. Choice….Freedom… Liberation from custom… I would suggest we start teaching Duty…..Honor…. Love of clan.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Let’s teach the same lesson to the multitudes of white men who think it is okay to hook up with Asian women.

          • Jesse James

            Correct, I agree completely. My favorite male cousin taught English in China and of course ended up with a Chinese wife and two young children. The kids are very nice kids but they don’t look like us to me at all. Dark hair, dark skin, dark eyes. Basically my cousin ended his family line at least in terms of continuity with our ancestors. Not only does he have the usual problems one has in marriage but he also faces a big cultural and language barrier. Their mother is naturally teaching her children Chinese as well as English but this creates another barrier between them and the rest of our family. Yes it on one level is his business and I guess his right to fall in love and marry whomever. However, what about your duty to your ancestors and your family?

          • Garrett Brown

            Agreed. This isn’t just a one way street.

          • It should be a zero-way street when it comes to miscegnating with blacks.

          • Garrett Brown

            And Asians, *cough Mike cough*

          • Injuns? If I were a stupid mostly-white ex-con instead of a brilliant one, living in a trailer park smoking meth, instead of drinking bloody Marias in a house I own, I wouldn’t concern you.

            Since the racial purists wouldn’t want a 3/16 Injun with their white sisters or daughters, the point is moot. I’m your ally because I choose to be so, even though I do not want to marry into your family, nor you into mine. Our interests coincide, do they not?

          • Garrett Brown

            What about Indians?

          • The injuns I befriended in federal prison were convicted murderers, but they were OK. One was Navajo (murder) and the other Apache (murder and mutiny). They were good guys, if a bit strange. They were always fair with me.

            I think Amerinds tend to treat women quite poorly. I think men tend to treat women quite poorly, but injuns and blacks in particular.

          • Garrett Brown

            Nothing wrong with murder as long as it’s done to the right people.

          • Jesse James

            Agreed.

          • Blacks and Asians are not equal. Unless and until you would marry a part-Amerind who’s an ex-con on the Terrorist Watch List, I think this implied criticism is unfair.

        • When I was single & living in TX, all of the white, thin, athletic, single women were dating black guys. Fat white women were still available for white guys.

          My statistics for good/ lean times: If 1 of 10 women I asked out went out with me: that was a good time. If the ratio fell to 1 of 20 or lower, that was a lean time. Bear in mind that as an engineer I also never ran into women at work.

      • Ella

        They are openly bullied because some have red or blonde hair that stands out in a sea of darkness. You cannot hide your ethnicity in a minority-laden school, and when you attend mostly Black or Hispanic schools, I only hope White males play sports to protect themselves at best. For the White poor females, they end up pregnant sometimes. Again, I see more bi-racial babies among the poor, uneducated families.

        • Jefferson

          I heard red heads often get bullied by other White people in the U.K. So we can be our own worst enemies at times.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            October 18, 2013:

            (AP) UK police called over attacks on red-haired pupils

            British police say they were called after a string of attacks on red-haired pupils at a school in northern England.

            The issue of bullying of red-haired children periodically arises in Britain, and some commentators have attributed the phenomenon to lingering anti-Celtic prejudice.

    • Spartacus

      They shouldn’t bother with the private ones either. Just home-school .

    • Alfred the Great

      I drove through my old neighborhood in Dallas and just happened to see a bunch of students at the high school filing into bleachers for a class photo. Everyone of them appeared to be of Latino, or Amerindian, ancestry (notice that I didn’t use the word Hispanic because there was nothing Spaniard about those kids). However, the teachers were all white. My sister-in-law teaches at a public school in Houston. Almost all of the kids are black. I asked her what will happen when the white teachers are all gone. She said things will probably get real bad.

      • Sick of it

        They chased us out of Dallas years ago and have been chasing us out of the Dallas suburbs for a while now. I went back to a former home of mine a while back and it looked very different. Graffiti all over the place. Bars on every window.

    • Jefferson

      I live in a zip code where the annual household income is over $74 thousand dollars a year.

      So the public schools in my area are not predominantly Brown or Black.

  • bigone4u

    White parents must do everything within their economic power to prevent their children from drowning in a sea of black and brown pathology. That probably involves making blacks and browns unwelcome in your neighborhoods, giving your children John Derbyshires “Talk,” and pursuing economic independence, if possible. This is a war and war demands sacrifice by adults for the sake of our posterity.

  • MekongDelta69

    What it says:
    “The 2008 recession, immigration and a high birthrate among low-income families have largely fueled the changes, said Steve Suitts, vice president of the Southern Education Foundation and an author of the study.”

    What it should have said:
    “The 2008 recession, illegal immigration and a high birthrate among blacks have largely fueled the changes, said Steve Suitts, vice president of the Southern Education Foundation and an author of the study.”

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Uh-uh, Mekong. What it should have said: “The 2008 recession, illegal INVASION….etc, etc.” There now, fixed.
      I consider squat monsters invaders.

  • GB101

    When I first saw this I thought “how do they define poor”? The article answers the question by explaining that the authors of the study define poor as eligibility for free and reduced price lunches. This is much higher than the census bureau’s poverty level. Plus fraud is rampant. (Parents claim eligibility and no one checks. When other parents see this they think what the hell, I am buying these other kids’ lunches so I will lie too and at least get some of my money back.)

    This amounts to one thing: the so called study is meaningless.

    • anew

      You’re right about everything you say in your first paragraph. The definition of poor used here is twice the official poverty line, and is actually closer to the median than it is to the poverty line, and fraud is rampant.

      Butt you’re wrong to say that the study is meaningless. If we read between the lines, it confirms a lot that we at amren already know.

      • GB101

        You are right. Most studies of this type, those that show that southern states lag in one way or another, say mainly the same thing: the south has more blacks than other regions.

        But note New Mexico, California, West Virginia and Nevada. I would guess New Mexico is there because of Indians and Hispanics. California because of Hispanics. W. Va. is poor. Nevada? Hispanics?

        Note to that Virginia is between Vermont and Minnesota. More and more government employees in northern Virginia I would guess.

  • Drive past any public school in the rural South at opening or closing, and you see middle class White teachers surrounded by multi hued shades of dark alien Diversity.

    Ugliness Rules.

    At least the White teachers, to their credit, look depressed.

    • ncpride

      Not ALL rural Southern schools. The ones mine attend are still at least 93 to 94% White, but Mexicans are slowly creeping in. I’ve no doubt these same schools will be unrecognizable in 20 years or so.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Won’t take that long.

        mexicans have high fertility rates and a habit of inviting their 80+ close relatives in mexico to join them in their one-bedroom apartment, send their kids to the local gulags, apply for driver’s licenses, food stamps and 83 other welfare programs offered by the U.S. government.

        California fell quickly and there will be no going back.

        • ncpride

          I believe it. The Mexican family I saw at one of our schools the other day had at least four kids that I could count. I’m just hoping to get both my kids through school before they over-run this place. Not much longer to go, then we’ll be looking to move ourselves.

    • Jesse James

      A friend of mines wife recently started back teaching after taking six years or so off to raise their daughter. She ended up at a school that is 80% black, an elementary school and my buddy said the first month she was crying often just from the stress of being surrounded by these kids. There behavior and language is very bad and the principal won’t enforce discipline. Basically they are expected to warehouse the kids and not cause any trouble. She has one kid who is so out of control that the majority of her time is focused on him to the neglect of the other kids. He needs to be in a special disciplinary class but the administration won’t move him. The school is controlled by black administrators and they are not friendly or helpful to the white teachers. She would like to quit but it is pretty much an unpardonable sin for a teacher to quit during the school year. I really don’t understand why we do this to ourselves.

      • They will blame her White privilege for the achievement gap.

        • no what i mean vern?

          Cambria, she’s fighting a losing battle! Anyway, she’s not going to win. Look at the majority of the principals and administrators we have in America. Largely Afro American. We rewarded incompetent blacks, men and women over the past fifty years, due to “white guilt”, and these people continue to condemn white people, white culture, and the American family in favor of single mothers and welfare checks to them and their litters. They’re succeeding and have been for forty years. Short of taking your kids out of the public schools, none of this will be fixed. I worked for black female principals for years. They were more concerned about their latest manicure and pedicure to care much about the kids.That’s why I ultimately left the teaching profession for good. If you have school age kids, I highly recommend home schooling. And avoid the Common Core. Include it in your lesson plans you submit to the state, but follow your conscious. The educational system in this country is beyond salvation. More of your tax dollars hard at work. STARVE the beast!!!

      • no what i mean vern?

        Been there and have done that. As teachers we were pretty much told that any type of discipline would be seen by the black parents as an assault on their civil rights. Black kids run amok is basically what it is.

        • Jesse James

          Yup running wild at home, in school, in the stores , on the streets.

  • StillModerated

    In Athens GA the government schools are pretty much all-black. White people put their kids into Southern Baptist schools.

    • Jesse James

      That or they live in nearby Oconee County, the schools there are majority white.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    I really don’t think the problem is as severe as people make it seem on here. I am also curious as to who most people on here like to blame for white men being “emasculated”. Is all of it the fault of white women every time?

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      A stroll in my city of Browntown Alabama will disabuse you of that notion very quickly. You have no idea how angry I and other white men really get when they see white women choosing black men over them. Murderous fury is what I feel even though to others I appear to be quite the opposite, until I fix those white women with an utterly icy look. As for men being emasculated, that comes from being raised by women, a society that punished boys for being boys, and the workplace being a very hostile place for white men. Schools are hell for white boys, I was one once and I never forgot what an ordeal it was because even then it was catering to girls while boys were being made second class citizens. Add to the effects of chemicals that seem to drive down testosterone that are everywhere, how could white men not be having problems? They are lost. They have been stripped of the avenues they used to be able to count on for bringing them respect both at home and on the job. No, it’s not all white women’s fault, but they do add insult to injury, often deliberately knowing full well what they are doing. I suggest you look for the videos from a video blogger named Karen Straughn, who is the mother of three boys and a girl who actually stands up for men. Her pen name is Girl Writes What, and if you wish to understand white men better you will find her videos on You Tube to be well worth watching. No, she doesn’t hate women and all that other nonsense, but she seems to understand men better than many men do.

      • JohnEngelman

        You have no idea how angry I and other white men really get when they see white women choosing black men over them.

        – Zaporizhian Sich

        Jealous, perhaps?

        Many white women prefer black men for reasons I will not describe, for fear of bringing a blush to the cheeks of CourtneyfromAlabama.

        There are even white men who enjoy sharing their white wives with black men.

        • Garrett Brown

          What a child you are. Stop watching porn and get outside into the real world. The largest penis in the world belongs to a white man, Jonah falcon. The largest average penis size per capita belongs to france which is 90% white.

        • Garrett Brown

          What a child you are. Stop watching porn and get outside into the real world. The largest penis ever recorded belongs to a white man, Jonah falcon. The largest penis size on average per capita belongs to France, which is 90% white. Mods, if you delete my comment then you delete his. Or this will continue to be posted. Your move.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        If you look at most of my comments I stand up for white men. I just get discouraged by the bitterness and grudges directed at white women on here. I agree with the people who answered my question below, who are blaming our current problems on a multitude of societal issues.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        When you see something that makes you angry, it tends to get exaggerated in your head. This has been my argument on here in regards to mixed couples, for the longest time now. We need to approach these topics rationally, and not base it on anger and outrage, especially when approaching relations between white men and women. We don’t need to be dividing ourselves further based on false exaggerations of negative behavior.

    • Jesse James

      No Courtney, men are responsible for themselves: mentally, morally, physically and emotionally. One of the problems that we are having is that many boys grow up with part time fathers, no fathers, or weak fathers. There is a vacuum right now in terms of male leadership in many boys lives. Since so many adult men grew up without fathers in our modern world there has been a disconnect in male traditional wisdom that had been passed down father to son for generations.

      This is no individuals fault it is the a feature of our current culture. I believe that it has greatly profited the global elites to work on the destruction of the family unit. It is what I think has pushed all this propaganda of the glorified individual. We float around America chasing and educations and then a job and it could be anywhere. Atlanta this year and San Diego next. We have become atomized, we are human interchangeable parts for the corporate and government organizations that most of us serve.

      In terms of emasculation of young men think back to the way your school was structured and run. Who do you think did better under those regimes, boys or girls? Clearly if you look at High School drop out rates and the higher number of girls going on to college there are forces at work that are discouraging young men. This is a complicated problem and it stems from many different sources – there is a lot of research and good writing being done now about how we are failing boys as a society. Just search a bit on this and you will come up with a lot of food for thought.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        What was it that Steve said to me above? Can someone please share?

        • Jesse James

          It was deleted and I can’t remember it exactly. Something about shy men feeling emasculated and not getting the women they deserve.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I like your response much better than others. In any case, after looking at the responses overall, this is why I am trying to avoid these discussions lately. I have spent most of my time on Amren defending white men.

        However, over time, I am starting to resent the blame and hostility directed at white women. I wrote a simple three sentence post above, and in response I am presented with long and winding posts lecturing me on why feminism is a problem as if I am the type of person who doesn’t already know and recognize that. I was simply responding to Steve’s original comment, which to me sounded very whiny and absurd.

        Zaporizhian’s response to me above threw me off guard more than anyone else’s . Again, this is why I try to stay out of these discussions. There is a difference between talking rationally about a problem, and sitting and whining and complaining about how the weaker gender of your race behaves, making exaggerations in the process, only causing further divisions.

        • Jesse James

          You can avoid these conversations Courtney but the societal problems that underlie them aren’t going away. In my case I have recently begun attending church again and am trying to rekindle my Christian faith after more than ten years without practicing it. As you know just about any of the racial right or alternative right sites contain almost daily diatribes against Christianity. I still don’t know exactly how I feel about religion in general but I know that I would rather have neighbors who are Christian. For myself it is a return to the religion of my forefathers, an act of Traditionalism. I like the old hymns and the affirmations of faith. I stood beside my Grandfather when he was still alive and sung these same songs as he did with his. It doesn’t bother me if parts or even all of the religion are myth because the spiritual need in mankind is real. It also helps me to see how much the American Progressives hate Christianity as I like to stand against them. Don’t take the guys frustration with women personally. If I let the pagans get me down I would never turn on the computer again. Instead I try and understand where they are coming from and what motivates some of their really angry statements. Anyway your different perspective on things is valuable and I hope you don’t give up jousting with us even if an occasional flame war rages up. It takes heat and pressure to make a diamond, our thoughts and ideas benefit from the same.

    • NordicHeritage

      The cause is a mix of media, what we eat, and psychotropic meds people are taking.

    • joesolargenius

      Courtney I think that the real reason White Males are so angry at White Females is because we are programmed early on to stand up for them but they do not reciprocate. When affirmative action started putting more Women in power they started abusing that power and the attitude we can do anything we want to you became a way of life by Blacks because the Women in power let them.Take a good look at all the fast food restaurants in your area and when ever you see very few or no White Males working there then find out who the Manager is. McDonalds is the worst of these and that is why I use their WiFi but don’t spend any money in that place and in fact don’t spend my money anywhere I don’t see people like me working. The boycott is still our best weapon and the next time you see a group of Women or minorities ganging up on a White Male in the work place remind them of the code of conduct for that company.

    • No it isn’t the fault of white women. It is the fault of our law-enforcement apparatus and “political correctness”. White guys are rightly scared of having to go to court.

      I’m not afraid of that, but only because I’m smart enough to understand that after a felony, all the misdemeanors are free.

      One of my friends finally got parole after doing 13 years for being stabbed in the neck by his ex, who then looted his bank account. Since he banked at Wells Fargo, I put him on the phone from the Denver County Jail with my mother, who was able to get that theft stopped.

      He refused to press charges against the gal, and was thus charged with attempted murder. Colorado state law requires that someone be charged with a felony in any case of domestic violence. He did 13 years on 36 years and is at a halfway house somewhere, but he was so trustworthy, the prison had him running their computers. He’d been a software engineer for Qwest.

      Commitment is a bit scary, but the prospect of incarceration is a bit more alarming.

      There is a quote I like from my mother’s favorite movie-musical, The Sound of Music: “Only grown men are afraid of women.”

      Unless one wants to blame Jews, it is an unintended consequence.

  • Kenner

    Multi, joe was referring to radical lesbians who see themselves as cutting-edge feminists and role models for women. They have an anti-male, and often, anti-white ‘power structure’ obsession. They think that gender ‘equality’ can be achieved through legislation that handicaps men. Their war on biology would be amusing, if it wasn’t for the damage they do.
    See Steve Sailor for the differences between gay men and lesbians, it’s funny and insightful. ‘Lesbians aren’t Gay…’

  • Jesse James

    Steve this isn’t directed at you personally, I mean if as advice to any of those shy guys out there that are lacking in self confidence:

    I believe people should take personal responsibility for their health and fitness levels. If you feel weak and emasculated you probably are….but you don’t have to stay that way. You don’t even have to have money for fancy work out equipment or a gym membership. Pushups and situps are free. So is walking then running as your fitness level improves. Have fun with it as you get stronger use make shift weights – there are plenty of ideas on the internet. Just search “working out without gym”. You can also always find people selling exercise equipment cheap on Craigslist and the local paper.

    Twelve years in the military, mostly in the Infantry, taught me that black guys often have flash muscle and are good at short sprints and an hour or so of heavy physical activity but white guys are very good at plain old toughness and endurance over weeks not minutes. We have different body types because we have very different genetic “blueprints”. The trick is to get to know yourself and find out what you are “built for”. General Patton used to say that “Confidence is born from demonstrated ability.” Just get out there and get moving and start learning physical and mental skills. Look for opportunities to learn while helping someone who can teach you useful skills, carpentry, mechanics, welding, etc.

    Make yourself the type of man who is a good long term catch. Who has skills and a plan to build a career. The women worth having are not the ones chasing whatever guys reminds them the most of last weeks negro movie star or rap artist. The sensible women are looking for men who are honest, trustworthy and hardworking. Don’t get all side tracked in all that manosphere bullshit about game and manipulating women. Boys and immature men game women. Solid men carefully select, date and then marry women. Solid men build lives for themselves, their mate and their children.

    DEO VINDICE

    • itdoesnotmatter

      white guys are very good at plain old toughness and endurance over weeks not minutes.

      You are right, Jesse, thus the reason galley slaves were captured Euros, not africans. Black oarsmen didn’t have the right stuff for the long haul; they died off fast.

  • Jesse James

    I have known a number of people who seemed pretty retarded to me until the subject of scamming government welfare programs and then they suddenly become genius level manipulators.

  • Ella

    Steve, some of us adventurous women do grow up, and we decide much like men that it’s time to get married and start a family. So, we start looking at some shy men who make good potential husbands and great Dads. Many women do this. Sometimes, quiet White guys avoid asking us for a simple date, so you have to show confidence and courage.

    • Garrett Brown

      You look for money after you’ve had your jungle fever fulfilled and realized they don’t give a damn about you. That’s about it.

      • Jesse James

        I understand the bitterness Garrett but there are only a few women who reach out tentatively on this site to try and understand what we are about. We need to show them that there is more to us than rage and discontent. We need ALL of our people, we can’t afford to waste them. If you write off everyone who starts life out not racially aware we might as well give up now.

        • Garrett Brown

          We don’t know if she is that kind of woman. I’ve never seen her post here. Don’t assume things. I know Courtney is, never seen this Ella though.

      • Ella

        If you really believe all women had dated or slept with Blacks, you might as well give up on White women. We are all trash in your eyes and do not have standards. There is no “absolutes.” I’ve been ethnocentric since my teens for over 30 years. Please do not accuse people falsely. I’m actually sad to see so many negative posts from White males about White women; you demonize us much like the media portrays Whites in general.

        • Garrett Brown

          All? Who made such a statement?

          • Ella

            Garrett, you speak falsely and do not even know me to make those judgements. I’ve posted here for months. I should have taken a male pen name so I don’t have to listen to these comments. If I say something, next, you’ll accuse me lying to you. My husband is not rich, middle class and works an average job. Women are allowed to date, travel, enjoy dining and drinking, and have an education before marriage, right? We have kids too.

          • Garrett Brown

            I don’t speak falsely lol. You even said yourself you were a race traitor in your teens correct? You had a taste and went back. Lots of white girls are doing this now a days, it’s very sad.

          • Ella

            You have me mixed up with someone else. I dated a German descent guy with blonde hair for 2 years when I was in my teens and other Anglo men. I dated and married White. I got married young and did not slut around as you want to believe. You owe me an apology because I only know who I dated. You’re trying to badger a middle aged women. Go deal with your anger issues.

          • Garrett Brown

            “I’ve been ethnocentric since my teens for over 30 years”. What does this mean then? You should re-word your statement. And I’ve never seen you post on here, not sure what you meant by “posting here for months”. How do you know I’m angry by reading words on a forum? No, that unfortunately isn’t what adventurous means anymore.

          • Ella

            Ethnocentric to me means I know my culture and heritage well and feel proud of it. Well, I’ve posted around 70 plus times, so now we meet. Adventurous is a personality type: enjoying high-risk activities. exploring new activities and moving on, courageous or bold, high spirited, emotionally stable and so on. I used it as a character trait to describe myself since I did many outdoor activities in my youth. For the strength, non-conformist existence, this might explain why many of us are on this sight.

          • Garrett Brown

            So what happened before you became ethnocentric as your statement suggests? Adventurous people certainly do enjoy high risk activities now a days, like possibly getting aids from their black sex partners. I am glad you still uphold and live by the original definition of the word. For youths now a days it has a totally different meaning unfortunately.

          • Ella

            I was ethnocentric during my teens. I came mostly from an all white school in the old days, so most of the females, including me, would only date White guys. It was the same in College. Having a high White population and very low minority presence (94-6%), made it so much easier for White females to stay with their own cultural group, both in high school and college.

            When I wrote my comment using adventurous, I did not mean sexual experiences (forget about Blacks). There are many high risk behaviours besides sexual. To mention, I hiked parts of Central America (jungles), did cliff diving, and travelled by boat for weeks (not a cruise). I have a passion for the frontier and wild life.

          • Garrett Brown

            Hmmm…. About two years now maybe. At least a year and a half.

          • Ella

            Adventurous people can mean other things besides sex like cliff diving, rock climbing, pack packing and touring Central American jungles (-not Black men). Even dating takes some risks. I did not date until I was 15.

            Everything is so sexualized today. Women in my days went to college and avoided early pregnancy. I went to a White school so it was the norm to date White guys. Today, the same school district is 40% nonwhite. Times really change.

          • Garrett Brown

            Those meanings are referenced to different subjects, not the one we were talking about and rarely at all on this forum. So they didn’t really cross my mind, which is sad isn’t it? When we talk about young white girls, especially on this forum, being “adventurous” now a days it has a totally different meaning. I wish young girls now a days lived by your (the once normal) definition and did the things you did. You had character and respected yourself enough to not degrade your life style by miscegenation. I appreciate you doing so. I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I was talking about today’s generation of teenagers, not necessarily you.

            Isn’t it a tragedy that women have to be in a majorily white environment to stay ethnocentric? It isn’t intelligence that misguides them, It’s something else. A mystery to me.

          • Ella

            Thanks for your understanding and insight. I appreciate it. I think I can help answer your comment of “something else” about current miscegenation. When people have close proximity to each other, such as integrated schools, dorms and now neighbourhoods, young adults will start forming social relationships outside of their racial group based on common space. It starts with a smile and proceeds into multiple conversations based on convenience. As a result, they start mixing. (Libs have been somewhat successful in their social engineering programs.)

            If we don’t want our teens to date nonwhites, the best thing is to move out of multicultural areas and live within majority white towns / cities. You tend to date what you are familiar with such as race and religion. In a way, we are manipulating their social network and even prolonging sexual contact by avoiding urban scenes. Parents can only do so much to protect their children, but we can arm them with certain cultural values and historical information before they enter the world.

          • Garrett Brown

            What do you think explains some white girls living in the city and going to schools that are over 80% black yet still staying loyal to whites, where at the same time a white girl can go to the “preppiest”, whitest school in California, or any state and immediately distance themselves from whites? I agree though, it is a lot of neglect from the parents, who think everyone is “equal” and nothing is wrong with hanging out with trash.

          • Ella

            Living apart in homogeneous neighbourhoods is more likely to increase probabilities or chance to share similar values of both parents and friends. There are no absolutes though. For the White girl in a nonwhite school, she may have formed negative opinions and experiences of Black males such as hearing stories of assaults, seen frequent cheating, or being disrespected. She learned an aversion early on through personal experiences. Or, it could be how she was raised with traditional values. For the rich kids, I know some teens will rebel and develop an identity different from their parents out of spite. Remember that these younger adults may have had Baby Boomer parents who sell their multicultural garbage to their kids. I think we’re dealing with multiple reasons and will not be easy to fix.

            Adults have the right to date who they want to date–no US laws against it anymore. Though, Israel does have laws against it. They forbid mixed faith marriages and have a task force organized to enforce their laws. US Amendment 1 and 14 would probably prohibit such laws in the US based on ethnicity and/or religion.

          • Garrett Brown

            I wish we still had those laws.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    STOP IMPORTING MORE POOR PEOPLE!

    Won’t stop until we Whites are brought down, leveled, miserable, poor, disarmed or dead, but still paying taxes.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Dead whites don’t pay taxes, a reality that escapes blacks and browns. Neither do whites who are starving, displaces, or so oppressed they cannot care for their own.

      • no what i mean vern?

        Nope, they don’t understand what happens when you bite or cut off the hand that feeds. Most history books delete the fact that most Southern slaves went back to their old plantations after the Civil War to work as share croppers. Won’t read about that in the Cultural Diversity Revisionist History books.

  • And the solution to this problem?

    Import more poor children.

    Because…comprehensive immigration reform. Or doing the jobs that the illegal aliens already here won’t do. Or, something like that.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    I predict it will not only be mainstream, it will be underway among the majority of whites within ten years. When enough whites are starving, unemployed, attacked by darkies, robbed and abused by their own government, we will see it sweep the nation like a mega-tsunami caused by a massive asteroid impact. The hostile aliens are going to find out what happens when an entire ethnic group in the land drinks the “Hyde formula” all at once. We may be the hunted today, tomorrow we will be the hunters.

  • no what i mean vern?

    Yes, open the borders and let in more legals and illegals. Lord knows there are too many jobs and not enough people to fill them. Plus, there is a glut of money in the government which really needs to be spent asap.

  • no what i mean vern?

    It’s time to share the “wealth” of diversity! We’ve put up with more than our share here in the South. Your turn!!!