Panel Discusses Race Disparities in Criminal Justice, Schooling Practices

Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

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One out of every 15 black men ages 18 and older is in prison. For white men of the same age, the figure is one in 106, according to the National Institute of Justice.

A panel of scholars last night discussed why this disparity exists and where the root of the problem lies at an event called Pre-K to Prison Pipeline: Changing the Odds for Boys of Color.

“This is not a boy problem; this is an American problem,” said Becky Pettit, professor of sociology at the University of Washington, who spoke to a packed audience in the Atrium Room in Stamp Student Union.

These problems begin at a very young age, said Oscar Barbarin, psychology professor at Tulane University. Young black boys who act out in school are often singled out by their teachers, are punished more harshly than other children and are more likely to be suspended or expelled, he said.

Schools, then, lie at the core of these issues instead of acting as part of the solution, said Pedro Noguera, a New York University education professor.

“Too often, schools, rather than being the place where we intervene, is a place where problems emerge and grow and result in other consequences that make them harder to address,” he said.

The main consequence for many black students is dropping out of high school, which can lead to unemployment, substance abuse, crime and, inevitably, incarceration, Noguera said. {snip}

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About 11.5 percent of black children have a parent in prison, Pettit said, which puts added stress on these families, plunging them deeper into poverty and increasing the odds that children will drop out of school.

The key, the experts said, is to change the way people think and talk about race in society.

“Our fear of black boys and men is so visceral, it matches the fear we have about spiders and snakes,” said Howard Stevenson, a professor in the applied psychology and human development division at the University of Pennsylvania’s education graduate school.

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  • Puggg

    “Our fear of black boys and men is so visceral, it matches the fear we have about spiders and snakes,”

    I don’t fear spiders and snakes. On the other hand…

    • I understand spiders and snakes quite well. I spider-proofed the basement after I discovered how they were getting in, and I don’t mind snakes at all. I picked up a garter snake off the bike path this afternoon and showed my daughter the orange-yellow stripes down his back, telling her this sort is safe, and the only thing one must do is wash one’s hands after touching one, due to the salmonella some reptiles carry.

      We released him on a nice pile of rocks closer to home. They eat grasshoppers and l like gardening; I’m not stupid.

      • me

        What if you found a Bantu in your basement?

        • CoweringCoward

          That is a very good question. Shades of Zimmerman come to mind. Looks like many “Trayvons” could find themselves sleeping with the fishes, instead of being rushed to the emergency room.

        • I have lots of machine tools in the basement and a drain in the floor.

    • Xerxes22

      We are allowed to kill dangerous spiders and snakes without any legal repercussions. That’s why we don’t have a serious problem with them nor do we fear them.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      I’m scared of spiders, but not snakes. However, I am much more frightened by blacks, particularly young black men, and 100x more if they’re in a large group.

  • Okay, the kook left is totally thrown into the notion that school suspensions are at the root of violent crime, so they’ll push for and perhaps eventually get a prohibition de jure or de facto on school suspensions especially for black students. And when it doesn’t result in a reduction of the violent crime rate in the long run, I wonder what their next excuse is going to be. One might be tempted to think that when this excuse turns out to be a flop, that they just might accept reality. Don’t bet on it: Inventing excuses to justify their worldview and to dodge the truth is what ideological cultists do.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Since these innocent nonviolent blacks are being unfairly disciplined by their liberal white teachers (yeah, right) the solution is clear: bring back segregated schools.

      Let black kids only be taught by black teachers- even if many of those instructors are illiterates coming off the [Can’t] Teach for America assembly line.

    • CoweringCoward

      I am betting they already overlook all short of gunning down the teacher. When they go the rest of the way who will even be able to go into a black school?

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      I bet it’ll be something like: “Blacks commit so much violent crime because they aren’t getting enough extra tutoring and support to feel engaged in their school communities, and their feelings of exclusion set them up to commit crime later in life. Therefore, we much provide every black child with his own taxpayer-funded private tutor.”

      Or: “Blacks commit so much violent crime because schools don’t provide enough recess time, especially in high school, for them to have a place to blow off steam. Therefore, we must extend the school day so blacks can blow off steam in school instead of outside of it in the form of violent crime.”

  • joesolargenius

    THEIR IS A VERY GOOD REASON WHY INTELLIGENT NON BLACK PEOPLE ARE WARY OF BLACKS AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE OBSERVE THEM DESTROYING THE WORLD AROUND THEMSELVES. ONLY AN INCREDIBLY STUPID OR NAIVE PERSON WOULD BELIEVE THAT BLACK PEOPLE WOULD TREAT THEM BETTER THAN THEY DO THEIR OWN PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY TREATED THEM WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY !

    • Irishgirl

      WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

      • joesolargenius

        Because not enough people are listening!

        • Irishgirl

          Good answer.

          • joesolargenius

            I have my moments .

    • Sloppo

      I agree with you, but I recommend using capital letters sparingly because I understand that lower case letters are actually easier to read.

  • ncpride

    “This is not a boy problem; this is an American problem,” (Buzzzzz!)

    It’s a BLACK problem! (ding, ding, ding!)

    • Erasmus

      Yup. It’s not my problem. It’s the problem of their baby daddies and baby mommies, whose baby grannies never taught them not to spread their legs for every buck who bought them a happy meal.

      • CoweringCoward

        It most certainly is YOUR problem, and you are not allowed to correct it.

    • me

      It’s a Bantu American problem. Always was, always will be. The low IQ, combined with a lack of empathy, poor impulse control, raaaycism against non-Bantus, a culture of violence and lawlessness, teen pregnancy, gang banging, and a HUGE effin’ chip on their shoulder.

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        “and a HUGE effin’ chip on their shoulder.”

        I’ve always wondered where this comes from. Why do black people have such massive chips on their shoulders? I don’t think it’s from having a low IQ, because Hispanics do too but they don’t have such big chips on their shoulders.

        Is it from feelings of inferiority, stemming from their abject failure to keep up with whites? Is it because white liberals teach them from day 1 that they should be angry at whites for white racism?

        There’s probably an interesting sociology PhD thesis contained in this, but no one will ever dare to take it up.

  • Spartacus

    “Our fear of black boys and men is so visceral, it matches the fear we have about spiders and snakes,”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    So… The group that is about 6% of the population, but commits more than half of all murders and at least a third of all rapes is claiming it’s being “stereotyped”. Yes, yes you are, you worthless man-shaped dogs, but you’re stereotyped for all the RIGHT reasons .

    • tacheles

      “Stereotype” is a lib favorite. Its purpose is to rationalize lib blindness and denial. Same goes for “anecdotal.”

      • JohnEngelman

        Stereotypes are usually over generalizations of what is really true.

        Even those who hate Jews do not claim that Jews are stupid. The complaint is that Jews are “too bright by half.”

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    A major reason that black males have trouble escaping the Pre-K to prison pipeline that no academic in 21st century America is their

  • borogirl54

    I always thought that behavior was taught at home, not at school. A lot of the parents of these boys do not care about their education. To them, the school is a babysitting service for eight hours a day. Teachers in these schools do not share the same goals as the parents of these kids. When I was a kid, parents would attend parent-teacher conferences and get involved in the PTA. But I doubt if the PTA exists at all in these schools. Teachers in low performing schools, stay until their contract with Teach for America or some other organization expires and they go elsewhere or leave education and get into another profession.

    • Jenkem Huffington

      Most of those ghetto walrus “parents” could care less about their sprogs or the schools unless they sense an opportunity for a lawsuit, then watch the outrage begin!

  • Rhialto

    The Liberals gained control over America’s schooling many decades ago. So if schools are the problem, this means that Liberals are the problem. QED et Ipso Facto.

  • Alexandra1973

    So they’re taking a symptom (more frequent discipline) and calling it the cause. O-kaayyy….

    • tacheles

      Everything the left advocates is perverted, i.e. upside down. The reversal of cause and effect is consistent with this perversion.

  • e2657383

    Everyone should comment on the article above. Do so with an anonymous Facebook account if need be. Either way, it is important to comment on this articles all over the internet. I remember sometimes reading comments like “I see you guys came from (racist site)”, but now it’s impossible to say that with more and more people commenting with racial reality on these mainstream sites.

  • I wonder if the schools being blamed for black criminality are the same ones who have been told for the last 20 years that they have been disciplining black “students” too much for criminal behavior at school.

    Perhaps these are two completely different sets of schools. I was under the impression that forced busing had integrated these school districts.

  • Truthseeker

    Just slap the usual translation on it: “Black failure is the fault of everyone except black people themselves.”

  • bigone4u

    Fantasy Conference Title: Prison Pipeline: Why Blacks are Responsible for Their Incarceration Rate. Speakers: Al Sharpton on Why I Feel Threatened by Blacks; Jesse Jackson on My Son Deserves His Prison Time; Morris Dees on Why the SPLC Has Become a White Nationalist Group.
    The conference in the story is a fantasy too–the fantasy of deluded professional libtard academics who would sell their mother’s false teeth for a spot of publicity. Screw all of them.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    The same old lies and blaming away of a problem that is clearly genetic.

    • CoweringCoward

      Structural inequity, the structure of DNA.

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        As soon as liberals catch onto the genetic origins of race differences, their next response is going to be “It’s racist and oppressive for whites to hoard all the high-IQ genetic material! It is the duty of all whites to miscegenate with blacks so blacks can succeed too!”

  • Erasmus

    Know who’s responsible for black crime? Blacks are.

    Oh, sure, you can claim Dontavious raped that little girl because his aunt molested him when he was young, but the primary responsibility lies with Dontavious. Teach them that first, and they’ll be half-way toward solving their problem.

  • joesolargenius

    Thirty five years ago the reason for so many Blacks being in Prison was because the evil white devils were in charge , well now it is non white district attorneys putting them away so it is the school system which is also a failing non white union ran institution as well but it is still our fault somehow

  • Erasmus

    I subscribe to the adage that while not all snakes are venomous, if you can’t tell them apart, best to treat them all as dangerous.

    Pity that poor fellow randomly murdered in a hate crime in Washington Square didn’t adhere to that rule.

    Fear is a good thing: It keeps you alive. It teaches you not to handle deadly snakes or spiders. It teaches you to avoid the company of strange blacks.

    • CoweringCoward

      Couldn’t agree more, just I find all blacks I have ever met “strange”, and likely to stay that way.

      • IstvanIN

        Why can’t they pronounce “TH”?

        • GeneticsareDestiny

          I wonder if African languages contain that sound. If not, it might be that Africans have a hard time with it, just like how the Japanese have a hard time distinguishing “l” and “r”.

          Or maybe they just think saying “da police arrested me” sounds cooler than “the police arrested me.”

          • Da po-pos done arrested my black @$$, gnome sayin? I was like, “What up?” wif dem, but dey all sez I was beatin up my ho, gnome sayin? I gonna show dat ho who in charge once I bond out. I got game, dawg. You best recognize.

            There; I fixed it.

          • IstvanIN

            Ethnic Japanese raised in an English speaking country can pronounce “L” and “R” properly. The inability to pronounce “TH” must be another genetic African, rather than cultural, defect.

  • John Smith

    90% of black families in this country once were moral with a mother and father. Then came modern liberalism. Now look at the mess.

    The progressive liberal agenda has been to destroy the family with social engineering, promote scum criminal culture, promote dependence and entitlement and a feeling of victimization so that the working man and tax payer is the bad guy, demonize white males who aren’t wiggers, etc…

    Lyndon Johnson’s New Deal has been to reward the worst people in society with the best people’s money. The result is the rapid decline of civilization.

    Criminals are armed and violent and not held accountable while law abiding citizen taxpayers are forced to pay to clean the mess up and then robbed of their liberty. If they resist, they are stripped of everything they have and thrown into prison.

    They call it justice. They called it a new deal.

    • bigone4u

      Black families were just a superficial construct. It took little to reveal the true nature of the black. I’m not even sure I believe the 90 percent number you quote.

      • John Smith

        You are entitled to your opinion. I’ll stick with the statistics.

      • IstvanIN

        Even 50 years ago the black illegitimacy rate was higher than 10 percent. That being said there were two factors that kept blacks under control:

        1) Fear of whites. That is over, the government and media covers up all their bad deeds.

        2) Admonishment from their own. Before forced integration and the end of racial deed restrictions the “talented 10th” were forced to live along side the rabble. The “talented 10th” both wanted to live a reasonably modern, white life-style and wanted to impress white society that blacks were just like them. Now that the talented 10th can escape from their majority brethren there are no social constraints on the majority black population. Everyone keeps running.

        So basically, you are right.

  • Funruffian

    The supposed “Educators” are the most delusional scumbags to reiterate such lies. Blacks in schools always get away with infractions where Whites, Hispanics and Asians almost always get busted for. teachers let the Black disruptors lurk around, harass. swear, and aggravate while everyone else has to endure their subhuman behavior. I’ve seen it constantly having taught in schools. I would rarely ever let them get away with bad behavior under my watch. Then as a result, the administrators would never support me and always take the side of the Black kid. It was sick.
    In this sense, the faculty is culpable of blame for allowing these black denizens of the ghetto to terrorize the schools. So I was at a loss. I couldn’t keep my job unless I conformed to this ever sick ritual of condoning Black behavior and violence.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    It’s always someone else’s fault with these people. When Jamal steals someone else’s belongings, blaming Jimmy is not going to change the blatantly thieving Jamal. These people are so afraid of the truth they have voluntarily rendered themselves absolutely useless as to ever effecting the problem. In fact, not only have they rendered themselves useless, they are in reality only assisting in this problems perpetuation. They’re Clueless!

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    I think that for most students, there’s time for both. For those at the lower end of the IQ spectrum, high school is largely useless, and they would probably be better suited to starting work earlier to gain job experience. And for those at the higher end, their schooling is (or should be) complex enough that it would not leave time for work.

    But for your average (white average, aka IQ 100) teen, I don’t see why they couldn’t work a few hours a day after school or on the weekends for spending money without it interfering with their studies.

  • prunepit

    Our public schools were created by white people for educating and socializing their children. Black people have been transported from their evolutionary homes, leaving behind almost everything that had been developed to educate and socialize their children – everything meant to solidify their identities as members of an African tribe. They are fish out of water in white, European society, and while their children may adapt to pre-school and even grade school, with the onset of puberty the children instinctively begin a search for their tribal identities, that is to say, they want to reproduce in themselves what they have come to see as the characteristics of the African adult.
    Like the wild creature born in captivity the African who has been deprived of his social/cultural base doesn’t know who he is and lacks the skills and the environment to function well as his evolution dictates. It is risky to put the animal raised in captivity back in the wild and it is risky to pretend that generations of captivity have made the tiger a pussycat.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    The report I cite addresses that argument: Increasingly, the young are neither working, nor studying:

    “I think there is this myth out there that there is some silver lining for young people, that they are going on to college. . . . You don’t see an increase in enrollment rates over and above the long-term trend. You can’t see a Great Recession blip,” said Heidi Scheirholz, a labor economist at the liberal Economic Policy Institute, a research group. “They are not in school. There’s been a huge spike in the not-in-school, not employed. It’s just a huge missed opportunity.”

  • Sloppo

    I suppose it’s theoretically possible to lower the standards of acceptable behavior enough to make the group behaviors of black people just as acceptable as the group behaviors of white people. To achieve that, we’ll probably have to do away with the taboos associated with things like assault, robbery, rape, and murder.

  • MBlanc46

    So the fault is ours. We see blacks as violent predators. Change that, and everything will be perfect.

  • Evette Coutier

    Actually, they are correct in a way. We place blacks in school, an environment that is far beyond their capacities. They act out in response. The solution is to place them in environments that they can handle successfully. Instead of blaming culture, we should IQ test all kids at a young age and place them in appropriate settings.

    • MBlanc46

      You’re absolutely right. It must be very frustrating for them. But I don’t think that’s the reason that they act up in school. They do that because they’re deficient in long-range thinking and impulse control.

      • Evette Coutier

        I agree that there are other issues about behavior not related to low ability. It may not be popular to say, but we cannot expect them to perform academically in a classroom designed for white kids. For example, studies show that to really be able to learn from reading you need an IQ of about 115. This is why so many people prefer learning by experience. The old saying “experience is your best teacher” is an offshoot of this. Now we ask kids with low impulse control, and an average IQ 30 points below the minimum IQ necessary, to perform academically. It’s unrealistic, setting them up for totally failure, and an explosive situation. The military is actually very successful managing blacks. They give them structure, discipline, an outlet for their aggressive nature, and instruct them in a learn by experience environment in tasks that at matched to their ability levels. They give IQ tests and them place soldiers in roles accordingly. They provide them external impulse control and an environment where they can succeed. As long as they are in white society, this is the best tried and true solution that has a track record of success. Out minority schools should learn from the military.

        • MBlanc46

          They need to be educated to the level to which they are capable, and then put to work at jobs that they are capable of doing.

  • Sheik Yerbouti

    I fully agree that the schools are at fault. They routinely look the other way when black kids act up. The black kid goes through school with minimal discipline, so it should come as no shock they are dysfunctional by the time they get out (I won’t say graduate in this case).

    • MBlanc46

      The reason that they act up in school is that they’re dysfunctional from the start.

  • JohnEngelman

    One out of every 15 black men ages 18 and older is in prison. For white men of the same age, the figure is one in 106, according to the National Institute of Justice.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    Whenever this is pointed out whites are expected to be ashamed. Blacks should be ashamed.

  • JohnEngelman

    A panel of scholars last night discussed why this disparity exists.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    Ah, maybe it’s because blacks have a crime rate that is eight times the white crime rate.

    Am I close?

  • JohnEngelman

    “This is not a boy problem; this is an American problem,” said Becky Pettit.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    No. I think it’s a black problem.

  • JohnEngelman

    These problems begin at a very young age, said Oscar Barbarin, psychology professor at Tulane University. Young black boys who act out in school are often singled out by their teachers, are punished more harshly than other children and are more likely to be suspended or expelled, he said.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    They are punished more harshly because their offenses are more serious. Even then, too many black hoodlums are allowed to remain in school, where they continue to cause problems.

  • JohnEngelman

    The main consequence for many black students is dropping out of high school, which can lead to unemployment, substance abuse, crime and, inevitably, incarceration, Noguera said.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    Why should schools continue to try to teach them at the age of eighteen what they should have mastered at the age of eleven?

  • JohnEngelman

    About 11.5 percent of black children have a parent in prison.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    Why is this the fault of white people?

  • JohnEngelman

    The key, the experts said, is to change the way people think and talk about race in society.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    Although it is often dangerous for whites to talk about Negroes the way we really think about them, the problem is not the way we think about Negroes, but why we think that way.

    “The key” will be found as soon as most blacks behave and perform as well as most whites. It is not our fault that they don’t.

  • JohnEngelman

    “Our fear of black boys and men is so visceral, it matches the fear we have about spiders and snakes,” said Howard Stevenson, a professor in the applied psychology and human development division at the University of Pennsylvania’s education graduate school.

    – Madeleine List, The Diamondback, September 10, 2013

    In each case the fear is often rational. Professor Stevenson does know that because he lives and works in safe environments, and has never been the victim of black criminals.

  • JohnEngelman

    The diameter of the “Pre-K to Prison Pipeline” needs to become longer. The flow needs to become faster.

  • prunepit

    We should have fulfilled Abraham Lincoln’s pledge to return Africans to Africa. Hundreds of thousands of years of separate evolution can’t be erased by schoolteachers.

  • Jenkem Huffington

    You take the white fluffy bit and put it in the bag. When the bag is full you bring it to Mr. Overseer for further instructions.
    This is pretty much Bachelor’s Degree level education in itself for an 80IQ proto-human. It’s like trying to teach a pig to tapdance and getting angry with everyone when it refuses, then going on to say if we just had better teachers or more money for ballet shoes it would come around and figure it out.
    Naught for nothing, but many whites don’t really have the ability or aptitude for learning. At the end of the day somebody has to sweep floors or lean on a jack-hammer. Vocational schooling for those who are inclined to work rather than learn is far more productive than trying to pretend that we are all equal in ability. Honestly I know more folks that are highschool dropouts with a high work ethic and are proficient in a trade that make 6 figures than I know college graduates that make that kind of dough. Furthermore, pretending blacks are fit to learn OR do a days work without the encouragement of a whip is absolutely absurd and flies in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

  • MBlanc46

    That’s a tall order. In short, self-segregation, Use the talented-tenth (or whatever the number actually is)–with white monitoring–to provide most of the control of the remainder of the black population. Essentially eliminate welfare but provide manual labor jobs for all those who are incapable of doing anything else, and compensate it sufficiently to provide a basic, but comfortable, material life.