Frat Rap and the New White Negro

David J. Leonard, Chronicle of Higher Education, August 29, 2013

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In 1957, Norman Mailer spoke to the existence of the “white Negro,” an urban hipster whose fascination and fetishizing of blackness resulted in a set of practices that reflected a white imagination: part cultural appropriation, a subtle reinforcement of segregation, and a desire to try on perceived accents of blackness. “So there was a new breed of adventurers, urban adventurers who drifted out at night looking for action with a black man’s code to fit their facts,” he wrote. “The hipster had absorbed the existentialist synapses of the Negro, and for practical purposes could be considered a white Negro.”

As the Princeton University professor Imani Perry has noted, “there is a sonic preference for blackness, the sounds of blackness, but there is a visual preference for whiteness in our culture.” It should come as no surprise, then, that white rappers are slowly beginning to dominate the college music scene with the ascendance of a genre that can loosely be called “frat rap.”

Be it the thumping bass of artists like Mac Miller and Mike Posner, or the blaring noise of Asher Roth, Sam Adams, or Hoodie Allen, the white rappers who are gaining a foothold in the college scene need to be seen as part of a longstanding tradition of white theft of black artistry. The popularity of those artists, alongside that of Ryan Lewis and Macklemore—who can be heard interrogating white privilege, marriage, and materialism in their music—cannot be understood outside their whiteness.

The frat-rap craze saw its origins in 2009, with the release of Asher Roth’s “I Love College.” This subgenre not only markets itself to white college students but also marries the aesthetics and sensibilities of hip-hop with the experiences and narratives of white, male college students. Rather than building on oppositional traditions of hip-hop, which the former frontman for Public Enemy, Chuck D, once identified as “CNN for black people,” frat rap rhymes about all things white and middle class: desires that begin and end with parties, drinking, girls, and fun.

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While one would be hard-pressed to imagine fraternities as places of civility, the connection to the university allows for a reimagination of both hip-hop and parties. Rap concerts, hip-hop clubs, or house parties located in America’s inner cities are sites of policing and fear, but those same practices are “just good fun” when frat rap and the university is at the center.

Whereas the other rap—the one that purportedly celebrates violence, sexism, and materialism, the one that pollutes hearts and minds—is dangerous and requires parental guidance, frat rap is just amusement, its pleasures seemingly more harmless. It is no wonder that student programmers are choosing the fun over the controversial, the banal over the political, the white artist over the black artist. {snip}

The theme of college, white masculinity, and the joys and pleasure of being a slacker is central to frat rap. Sam Adams, who raps about prep school and college, is the embodiment of the genre. In “I Hate College,” he celebrates the yearlong spring break that has become college:

I hate college but love all the parties,
Finishing kegs and crushing bottles of Bacardi,
King of the class I’d rather lay up with a hottie,
Single doesn’t mean I’m lookin’ for somebody.
Some say they drink, blaze up, but hardly,
Poppin PK, skeet, a little bit of molly,
Am I out my mind most people say prolly.

While similarly embracing hedonistic pleasures, the idea of frat rap positions these artists apart from those other artists, those of color, who may offer a similar style and performance. Akin to going uptown during the jazz era without having to leave the confines of white spaces, frat rap is nothing new. {snip}

Historically white colleges remain immensely segregated. The growing popularity of frat rap, which has seized upon the power of online technologies and the stigmas associated with (black) hip-hop, continues not just a history of appropriation and the idea that blackness is merely a culture or an aesthetic that can be borrowed or purchased at the local dollar store; it also continues the American tradition of segregation that is a cornerstone of American colleges and Universities.

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  • Puggg

    I now hear that even Justin Bieber wants into this scene.

    • Erasmus

      Rap isn’t music. At bottom it’s only a tribal beating of the drums meant to appeal to the basest and most vulgar of human instincts. (Look at where it had its origins.) Plato and Aristotle would have understood.

      People who perform rap are deviants. People who listen to it degrade themselves. People who profit from it do so morally in the same way that drug pushers and pornographers profit by pushing their brand of vice.

      • OlderWoman

        I despise Rap and Hip Hop. I’ll admit I dislike country music also. It’s a low class form of music.

        Classical music and Opera are the highest forms of music.

        • Brian

          I like some of the old country, Johnny Cash and such, and bluegrass, but modern country, autotuned and slick, I can do without. Seems like prolefeed.

        • Bleakvision

          Well claiming classical music is te be all end all form of music is a narrow point of view.

          Most of it was written by state funded artists in the 18th and 19th century on auto-pilot and is very formulaic.

          Just like country and rap it has mostly stagnated outside of a few innovators.

          Also blacks have created some genuinely wortwhiie genres like blues, jazz and soul that have been picked up and refined by white artists leading to innovation that was sorely lacking in the early 20th century.

      • Brian

        I have been playing the guitar for 25 years, recorded a couple of CDs, etc…borderline semi-pro. My band played at one of these showcase events at a Hard Rock Cafe (bunch of groups do 2 songs each), and we were followed by this rap group. I thought about how much work and skill went into each of our band members gaining proficiency over thousands of hours apiece, just to be non-laughable, and thousands more to actually be good. And then these clowns get up there, barking along in a monotone, to a pre-recorded synthesizer/drum machine track, wearing the sideways baseball hats, brightly colored sportswear 3 sizes too big, bouncing around saying ‘YO’, ‘UHHH’ like Jerry’s Kids. There was no one singing a melody, and no one playing an instrument with their hands. Just barking to a track…in other words AFRICAN KARAOKE. I wanted to vomit.

  • exlib93

    Any White person acting black should be ashamed.

    • John Ulfsson

      I hate them more than I hate ghetto blacks.

      • Spartacus

        I hate them both equally. Although there is another group I hate even more…

    • John_HD

      Yes, it’s revolting beyond words that Whites have been reduced to such buffoonery. Yes, it’s their and their parents fault, but it would never have happened without the Cultural Marxists in the media and academy denigrating everything White for the last 50 years.

      The awakening must happen quickly or it’s over.

      • exlib93

        Buffoons is an accurate term. I always get embarrassed when I see Madonna perform. The older she gets the more ghetto she acts. Ewwwww!

        • Erasmus

          Call Madonna what she is: a skank.

          Call any tattooed, wrinkled floozy, wearing a midi in her 40’s what she is: a skank.

    • Luke N

      don’t worry about them, sir, they usually die of aids.

    • The Final Solution

      They should be eliminated. And they will be.

    • BarnyL

      Treat them accordingly.

    • Erasmus

      Back in the bad old days, when we were less enlightened and could speak the truth, we called it “acting n****r.”

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Unless we’re talking minstrelsy…

      Few forbidden pleasures more satisfying than playing the “end man” from time to time…

  • Fredrik_H

    I hope you don’t mind me saying that this is one piece of american culture I hope never crosses the atlantic.

    • Spartacus

      This isn’t “American” culture in the least…

    • Sick of it

      Too late by years, friend.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    What this shows is that innate biology (i.e. race) transcends culture. Even when whites adopt black cultural attributes (in this case, rap music) they co-opt the genre and fit it in ways relatable to themselves. But give me classic rock and country anyday.

    • pcmustgo

      Blacks invented Rock and Roll from what I heard too.

      • pcmustgo

        And they were not absent in country either. Patsy Cline looks like a Mulatto herself.

        • OlderWoman

          I knew Matraca Berg, a relative of Patsy Cline. There IS mulatto blood in their family. I met her grandmother years ago. She had faint black features.

          • pcmustgo

            It’s pretty obvious with Patsy Cline. Huge facial features, jaws and forehead, huge eyes, curly dark, dark blackish brown hair, etc.

          • Jefferson

            If curly dark hair automatically = Black, than many Italians and Jews for example would be considered Black.

            Look at the dark curly hair of Elaine Benes and Cosmo Kramer from Seinfeld for example.

          • pcmustgo

            Many Jews and Italians and Arabs have tiny bits of black blood in them. Curly black hair, curly hair in general I suspect black ancestry… I am half Jewish and don’t fully view Jews as being white, simply white enough to experience anti-white racism. Socially, they are white. I also don’t think the world is so easily divided into 3 or 4 races, I think there are many mixed groups and shades in between.

            Asians never have curly hair.

          • Jefferson

            By your logic since you are half Jew that means you have tiny bits of Black blood.

          • pcmustgo

            I am on this site not to be all about racial purity but to help expose and raise awareness about anti-white racism…

          • Jefferson

            So are Northern Europeans the only Caucasian group who are free of any Negro blood ?

        • Jefferson

          Do you think Patsy Cline was a light skin Mulata “passing” as White ?

          • pcmustgo

            Yes, I think she was a Virginia Mulatto. Probably about 1/4th black. Probably some native american in her too.. Notice the very prominent facial bones.

          • Jefferson

            Even if she does have some African ancestry, she obviously looked physically White enough that that she was not drinking from Colored only water fountains and she was not barred from entering Whites only hotels back in the days of Jim Crow.

      • OlderWoman

        “Rock and roll’ is a sexual term originating with blacks.

      • Bleakvision

        The absorption of different musical styles into “white” music has a long tradition and should not be denied. In the late 19th century it was en vogue to use oriental influences in classical music. Le Corsaire springs to mind.
        Music can really benefit from “diversity”. But of course music is an abstract thing, my neighborhood is not.

  • Oil Can Harry

    Frat rap? Wigger please!

    • Puggg

      They’re just trying to get wigga rich.

    • dukem1

      Thank you. That’s funny…
      I’m a regular here, and sometimes I get so depressed reading the “news”, I think…
      Hope I die before I get old.

  • IstvanIN

    As my grandmother used to say about race “water always runs down hill”. In other words maintaining civilization and culture requires work, whereas devolving comes easily.

  • Spartacus

    “…white theft of black artistry…”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Excuse me ? You monkeys can’t even read or write, but claim to produce “artistry” ?

  • ncpride

    When I pick my daughter up from HS, all I can hear is Luke Bryan, Keith Urban and even Hank Williams Jr. blaring from the pickup trucks pulling out of the parking lot. The kids around here still have SOME pride left, at least.

  • bigone4u

    In the 50s white singers like Pat Boone “covered” soul music released by blacks like Little Richard. “Race music” as it was called was made palatable to whites. Whites got the gold mine and blacks got the shaft as Boone and others had giant hits through this process. Eventually, there was a backlash and Pat Boone apologized for “stealing” black record sales and robbing blacks of their royalties. Cultural Marxists derided Boone by the racial insult “white bread.”
    Joe Cocker in the 60s sounded black as the ace of spades, although he was a working class guy from England. Jagger and the Stones sang about sex with black women in “Brown Sugar.” But Motown had made black music more mainstream and whites sounding black existed alongside the real thing. Blacks created rap as a backlash to the Motown and Philly sounds that appealed to whites.
    Viewed in an historical context, frat rap is nothing but whites sounding black. That doesn’t mean that it’s healthy for the white race, however. White artististry and creativity get corrupted and white identity is destroyed. Thus, white nationalists should encourage young whites with talent to find a uniquely white voice. Personally, I detest most things black, from Maya Angelou to Beyonce and her big butt, but escaping black is almost impossible nowadays until I pull out my collection of cassettes and VHS tapes and go back in time to a better place.

    • Tacobunch

      Who’s to say that whites would have consumed the black “hits” as much as if they weren’t “whitified?”

    • Wethepeople

      YouTube SAGA – Patriot’s Call.

    • john in Germany

      The first time I heard Elvis I thought he was black.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    I’ve never understood why so many white teens wish to ape the mannerisms, music, hand gestures and speaking style of the blacks that their suburban parents fled from, and who they will probably end up fleeing from as well when and if they have the money to do so.

    But then, perhaps it’s a little like visiting the zoo. One might enjoy seeing the animals there, but one wouldn’t want to live in their cages with them.

    • Puggg

      I’ve never understood why so many white teens wish to imitate the mannerisms, music, hand gestures and speaking style of the blacks that their suburban parents fled from

      Because school makes it cool.

      • John_HD

        Relativism has worked it’s evil over 50 years. Fifty years ago, white behavior was the default norm in America. Black dysfunction and sub-standard behavior was accurately called dysfunctional and substandard. Then, we were urged to be ‘tolerant’ of differences, and that no one behavior was better than any other. After mere tolerance came ’embrace diversity’, then ‘celebrate diversity’, and on to ‘diversity is our greatest strength’, and Whiteness Studies to denigrate everything White, and White Privilege to denigrate Whites, and the concurrent glorification of all things non-White, but particularly constant glorification of Blacks. And then every multi-racial TV commercial where if one party is stupid, ineffectual and/or uncool, and one is smart, or cool, they always portray the White as the idiot and the Black as the cool genius. Up is down. War is peace.

        It’s a wonder these poor kids today are not more screwed up than they are. I wonder if there’s any reason to hope that white youth of today are tired of the vilification of Whites. Any sign of racial consciousness among White youth? I still hope, but there is a demographic window that will be closing before too long.

        • Erasmus

          “Celebrating diversity” is an invitation for people to self-degrade.

          Which is a better society: One made up of hard-working, sober adults or one where the deviant and primitive are constantly celebrated?

    • ye ol’ swampyankee

      Same here. A good number of suburban whites love to verbally express their adulation for certain elements of black culture and multiculturalism in general. But there is a catch and that’s as long as it’s on their terms and can control for selectivity and circumstances. When all is said and done they certainly don’t want to bring “actual” diversity home to that super- majority white suburb.

    • MarcB1969

      Mainstream rock music and imagery became feminized, so rap came in and filled that vacuum. Young White men with vigor did not want to listen to anything performed by self-loathing and emasculated males like Kurt Cobain or Eddie Vedder, so they soon gravitated towards rap after grunge and alternative rock fizzled. There are several genres of underground music that embrace masculinity, hierarchy, traditionalism and Western values while eschewing black influence, but they are marginalized by the music industry and only found by referral and doing some digging.

    • Nick A Siggers

      If you took a child, and told them at every opportunity how “cool” and “hip” black people were, gave them unrealistic portrayals to view on TV, and reinforced the narrative at every opportunity, it would be easy to understand that they would gravitate toward black behaviors.

      Or to simplify – if you brainwash a kid long enough, you can make them think blacks are “cool.”

      • Brian

        That’s part of it, but the other part is just the nature of black culture. It’s about doing whatever feels good in the moment, letting yourself go, being uninhibited, laisser les bon temps rouler. People want to head to the wrong side of the tracks and be naughty. That’s fine in moderation, on Saturday night, but you better be at church on Sunday and back at work Monday. Problem is the black man forgets that part.

    • 1proactive2

      Because you can turn off your thought processes.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    …need to be seen as part of a longstanding tradition of white theft of black artistry.
    .
    Artistry, LOL. Ordered noise to amuse the feebleminded. Rap requires precisely zero talent and zero musical knowledge. In my years as an engineer blacks would always call and ask if we could provide the tracks. It amused me that tracks would be provided by white engineers and producers, using Japanese drum machines, blacks would come in a spit profanity into a mic and the tribe would take the resulting merde and ram it down everyone’s throats. That’s keepin’ it real, the sound of the streets yo.

    • Brian

      The whole idea of ‘provide the tracks’ blows my mind. What happened to learning how to play an instrument? The black jazz guys in the 50’s were quite capable, and now folks can’t be bothered. Lowest…common…denominator.

  • Ice Queen

    “Rap music” is the oxymoron of the century.

  • Kronolog

    Oh, the subtle allure of the jungle drum…

    • Sick of it

      African tribal music actually sounds better than rap imo.

  • ncpride

    Well that’s just sad. My daughter takes AP English this year, and they are in the process of reading Hamlet and Bram Stoker’s Dracula. The teacher sent home a list of books they would cover the entire year, and I don’t have a problem with any of them, as they’re all classics.

    • OlderWoman

      That’s great news. Hopefully the list doesn’t include any of Oprah’s sistas. Like Maya Angelou…Margarite Johnson.

  • dave

    in my day we called them wiggers.

  • exlib93

    I’ll laugh when his schwoogie “friend” turns on him, as they inevitably do.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    Dem rayciss krakkas dun gone and stoled muh rap.

  • John Smith

    Wiggers have been around for decades now. EOM.

    • TheAntidote

      Wiggers are dwill and eloi.

  • The Final Solution

    Rap is the soundtrack of failed peoples. Metal is the soundtrack of gladiators and champions, Vikings and conquerors.

    • Tinfoil A22hat

      I’ve heard that my very favorite band Disturbs some people, but that’s ok because I kind of like it ugly.

    • Sick of it

      Some metal gets on my nerves because it’s just loud noise and screaming.

      • The Final Solution

        I don’t actually listen to much metal but my point was about the cultural roots of the music. There’s no doubt that metal evolved as a form of music from a culture of conquerors, rather than the conquered. Likewise, rap has its obvious roots as a cultural expression of a conquered people.

  • The Final Solution

    If anyone wants to laugh themselves retarded, listen to Insane Clown Posse. It’s so bad they have a cult following and call themselves Jugallos. This is the kind of culture that white kids are left with these days.

    • OlderWoman

      The SPLC labels them as a hate group.

      • Jenkem Huffington

        They can’t be all bad if they manage to get on that tribe’s sh!t list.

  • Perhaps a prelude to a return of Blackface?

    A boy can dream! : : : : : s i g h : : : : :

  • Sick of it

    When I see crowds of them listening to this mindless drivel, I often think – What’s wrong with white people today? Baroque is my favorite style of music…

    • itdoesnotmatter

      How about Led Zeppelin and Kiss? I dig both of those groups.
      Otherwise, a fool for choral music of all kinds, from example, Bach B Minor Mass, Mozart Requiem, to shape note singing.
      Am a regular subscriber/patron of the S.F. Symphony.

      • Sick of it

        I like a variety of music ranging from heavy metal (with actual lyrics) to folk music (including non-European folk music). Really, rap is just garbage. Glad to hear you’re supporting your local symphony orchestra.

      • Brian

        I’m playing in a 70’s glam cover group now, Bowie, Roxy Music, Brian Eno, Mott the Hoople, T-Rex. Pretty white…

    • Irishgirl

      Vivaldi’s Four Seasons forever!

      • Sick of it

        A truly beautiful work. Wagner is also amazing.

        • Irishgirl

          My favorite of Wagner’s is Parsifal. Hauntingly beautiful.

      • OlderWoman

        Dvork’s New World Symphony. Also love Wagner.

      • TheAntidote

        Sibelius! Respighi! Grieg!

  • Sick of it

    Almost every young white person in America today listens to rap. It seems to be pretty common in Europe as well.

    • BarnyL

      These trends in music are common and short lived.

  • libertarian1234

    “…….that white rappers are slowly beginning to dominate the college music scene with the ascendance of a genre that can loosely be called “frat rap.”

    Which is a good example of how a society can deteriorate to the level of elements within that are destructive.

    Over the years I’ve read case studies in psychology. One in particular comes to mind which had to do with mentally healthy women marrying men who have personality disorders that compel them to be self-destructive, thinking they can change them but
    wind up failing, and in most cases it is they who eventually fall to his level and develop serious issues of their own.

    While that’s not a perfect example to use with societal degeneration I think it does illustrate the fact that basically negative, unhealthy influences have a tendency to not only bring down individuals but societies also.

    That’s what is happening here.

    The black presence wherever it exists causes a deterioration in people blacks directly influence…………and societies too.

    John Derbyshire’s warning points about blacks should have included that it’s best to avoid them at all times in any environment and refrain from watching them perform in any venue whether it is sports, music or the movies, and teaching your children to do the same.

  • ms_anthro

    Mumford & Sons’ first album is wonderful. PJ Harvey’s latest album also speaks to White musical traditions; in her case, English.

  • Defiant White

    Whites are capable of reaching the heights of greatness . . . but there’s also a dark under-side to our race. The truth is that most whites are dull, unimaginative, lecherous gluttons who would rather cozy up to a pizza and six-pack and watch over-paid negroes playing with a ball than advance themselves. These types have always been with us. The Greek city-states and Rome were full of them. At the height of the British Empire, London was a cesspool of crime, drunkenness and sexual promiscuity. And don’t even get me started about the French . . .

    You don’t need huge numbers of white race traitors. You only need a few willing to collaborate with our enemies because the mass of whites aren’t interested in racialism if it means they have to get off the couch.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    Rap? ,,,, Rap? ,,,,,#*@%$!!! – God Damn, I HATE Rap! Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! <- Picture Me Screaming With A Bright Red Face And A Giant Vein The Size Of A Drum Stick Shooting Down My Forehead Like Alex Jones ) – That's how much I absolutely Hate Rap!

    • itdoesnotmatter

      I share the vigor of your disdain.

      • OlderWoman

        I also.

  • Fredrik_H

    Well duh, I know that but here it is mostly minority communities that are into rap. Arabs identifying with negro gangsters and all that. It’s not that big with whites, at least not yet.

  • BarnyL

    One can only wonder (since they invented so much) as to why this wasn’t in evidence when White Europeans first set foot in Africa?

  • Irishgirl

    When I was in high school, my mother caught me listening to (and singing along with) Pink Floyd’s “We Don’t Need No Education” (The Wall). She was appalled and had a Talk with me to make sure I didn’t actually believe the lyrics. How times have changed!

  • Irishgirl

    “The aesthetics and sensibilities of hip-hop.”

    What garbage.

  • MBlanc46

    Rap is adolescent braggadocio. It’s not surprising that frat boys would find it amenable to their outlook.

    • Irishgirl

      But hopefully frat boys outgrow it!

      • MBlanc46

        I assume that most of them do. Negroes, on the other hand, are perpetual adolescents who never outgrow it.

  • MBlanc46

    Absolutely. There are two strains that go into it. Sam Phillips could record both Ike Turner and Johnny Cash.

  • Spartacus

    And they used peanut butter for fuel, right ?

    • texasoysterman

      Yes, and THAT was invented by george washington carver, don’t ya know.

  • ncpride

    Just the vulgarity of the ‘lyrics’…

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      …Orcs and Trolls spoke as they would, without love of words or things; and their language was actually more degraded and filthy than I have shown it. I do not suppose that any will wish for a closer rendering, though models are easy to find. Much the same sort of talk can still be heard among the orc-minded; dreary and repetitive with hatred and contempt, too long removed from good to retain even verbal vigour, save in the ears of those to whom only the squalid sounds strong. — JRR Tolkien, The Return of the King, Appendix F.

      • Brian

        Bravo. Yes. This.

  • Erasmus

    Who knows?
    The war was declared decades and decades ago, although most of us hadn’t a clue it had been declared. But now we know, and like it or not, we’re all involved.

  • John Smith

    Sea Shanties?

  • OlderWoman

    Wow. How time passes. 36 years. I was working in Nashville in the music business when Elvis died. The entire area of music companies around Music Row shut down for the day. Odd thing, Colonel Tom Parker, refused to allow Elvis to ever perform in Nashville. He recorded there but never held a concert. The Nashville Music Business is rife with resentments and back-stabbing.

  • Brian

    Rap is the musical equivalent of finger-painting, IMO.

  • Brian

    I’d rather get nuked than Detroited though.

  • Jenkem Huffington

    Rap “music” is basically some 80 IQ primitive grunting about “muh dik” or committing crimes.

    If anyone hasn’t see this rap “translation” yet it’s comedy gold:

    http://www.youtube*dot*com/watch?v=R6H0i1RAdHk

  • pcmustgo

    Thanks for clarifying… yes, most “rock” beyond the 60’s doesn’t sound very Black. Blacks seem to have completely abandoned Rock after the 60’s.

  • TheAntidote

    Do you mean he’ll wind up like Toopack and Biggy?

  • TheAntidote

    I understand that the origins of jazz are not negroid either. Apparently in the 1880s there were wandering ragamuffin groups in the streets of New Orleans who performed for tossed coins. They were improvisational; beating on buckets, tin cans and plucking home made stringed wire instruments. They were called the “Spaz bands” for spasmodic, I believe.

  • TheAntidote

    What you’re saying is the truth, and that’s why some will say, “You, ain’ nuthin’ but a hound dawg!

  • TheAntidote

    You’re right. And doesn’t this latest phenomenon of “stealing negro art” have a long and distinguished pedigree? Why did “black face” minstrel shows come into existence? Why go to the trouble to blacken a White musician’s face to play typical negro music when there were thousands of real musical negroes available ( and dirt cheap)?
    The answer is that the impresarios and audience didn’t want the authentic, made by negroes for negroes production. Very likely because they didn’t like it because it didn’t reach them—or it didn’t answer some need or desire within them. So the music had to be diluted or civilized.

  • pcmustgo

    I too get angry when whites are given no credit for contributing to American music. I would find out many of my favorite soulful songs I thought were 100% Black and performed by Blacks were really written by whites.

  • pcmustgo

    Tap-Dancing is also apparently Irish based. Everyone credits that to Blacks. Double Dutch is a dutch thing, and Black “stepping” was also from the Irish.

  • Stentorian_Commentator

    White theft of black “artistry”? Maybe it’s a theft, but I would not use “artistry”.
    I recall when John Kerry said he was “fascinated” by rap. Someone joked that he should play Ice Cube’s “Smack my bitch up” in front of his moneybags wife.

  • John_HD

    There’s no question that Gaga, Madonna, and Cyrus are their own brand of vile, so vile is vile. So, the vulgar lyrics are bad enough in themselves, but what I find so off-putting about Whites both performing rap and having an appreciation of it is that the performers emulate the physical gestures and the pronunciation and grammar of Blacks, and that is what disgusts me beyond words; the fact that they have so thoroughly bought into the idea that a culture so unlike their own, and in my opinion, so inferior to their own, that they would ape those behaviors and speech patterns in a non-ironic way. The very imitation glorifies the other and lessens regard for their own, and that’s the real tragedy, that our youth have fallen to emulating the lowest of our society.

    Maybe Whites in Australia don’t emulate American Black gestures, speech, and grammar when performing rap in Australia as Whites in American do. If they’re not emulating those gestures, speech, and grammar, it’d be far less offensive. It’d merely be a kind of “music” that I’m not fond of at all. It’s the aping of the gestures, speech, and grammar (pretending to be black) that is loathsome, not specifically the rap.

    • Bleakvision

      I believe there is some genuinely entertaing german hip hop that has great creative wordplay in its lyrics.

      The idea of spoken lyrics over simple beats is neither good or bad in and of itself, it depends on what you do with it.