Should Research on Race and IQ Be Banned?

John Horgan, Scientific American, May 16, 2013

The old issue of genes, race and intelligence has exploded once again. The trigger this time is social scientist Jason Richwine, who recently co-authored a study of immigration for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. {snip}

After the study’s release, The Washington Post reported that Richwine asserted in his 2009 Harvard Ph.D. thesis, “IQ and Immigration Policy,” that the average IQ of U.S. immigrants “is substantially lower than that of the white native population.” Arguing that “the totality of the evidence suggests a genetic component to group differences in IQ,” Richwine added, “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.” {snip}

So there it is, a neo-eugenics program, proposed by a Harvard-minted scholar employed by a prominent think tank. {snip}

Some pundits applauded Richwine’s downfall and attacked his Harvard research. I especially like how The Atlantic blogger Ta-Nehisi Coates compiled historical evidence that race is more a social than biological phenomenon. {snip} Journalist Andrew Sullivan says that the “effective firing” of Richwine “should immediately send up red flags about intellectual freedom.”

These are the same sorts of things said in 1994 when Harvard researchers Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray argued in The Bell Curve that programs to boost black academic performance might be futile because blacks are innately less intelligent than whites; and in 2007 when geneticist and Nobel laureate James Watson ascribed Africa’s social problems to Africans’ genetic inferiority. {snip}

I’m torn over how to respond to research on race and intelligence. Part of me wants to scientifically rebut the IQ-related claims of Herrnstein, Murray, Watson and Richwine. For example, to my mind the single most important finding related to the debate over IQ and heredity is the dramatic rise in IQ scores over the past century. This so-called Flynn effect, which was discovered by psychologist James Flynn, undercuts claims that intelligence stems primarily from nature and not nurture.

But another part of me wonders whether research on race and intelligence—given the persistence of racism in the U.S. and elsewhere–should simply be banned. I don’t say this lightly. For the most part, I am a hard-core defender of freedom of speech and science. But research on race and intelligence—no matter what its conclusions are—seems to me to have no redeeming value.

Far from it. The claims of researchers like Murray, Herrnstein and Richwine could easily become self-fulfilling, by bolstering the confirmation bias of racists and by convincing minority children, their parents and teachers that the children are innately, immutably inferior.

Why, given all the world’s problems and needs, would someone choose to investigate this thesis? What good could come of it? Are we really going to base policies on immigration, education and other social programs on allegedly innate racial differences? {snip}

Perhaps instead of arguing over the evidence for or against theories linking race and IQ we should see them as simply irrelevant to serious intellectual discourse. {snip}

{snip}

Scientists and pundits who insist on recycling racial theories of intelligence portray themselves as courageous defenders of scientific truth. I see them not as heroes but as bullies, picking on those who are already getting a raw deal in our society. It’s time to put these destructive theories to rest once and for all.

{snip}

*Clarification: Some readers may wonder what I mean by “ban,” so let me spell it out. I envision a federal prohibition against speech or publications supporting racial theories of intelligence. All papers, books and other documents advocating such theories will be burned, deleted or otherwise destroyed. Those who continue espousing such theories either publicly or privately (as determined by monitoring of email, phone calls or other communications) will be detained indefinitely in Guantanamo until or unless a secret tribunal overseen by me says they have expressed sufficient remorse and can be released.

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  • The__Bobster

    But another part of me wonders whether research on race and intelligence—given the persistence of racism in the U.S. and elsewhere–should simply be banned. I don’t say this lightly. For the most part, I am a hard-core defender of freedom of speech and science. But research on race and intelligence—no matter what its conclusions are—seems to me to have no redeeming value.
    _________

    Coward. I suppose you agree with placing honest scientists in irons, like they did a few hundred years ago.

    And why does it have no value? Because the truth offends certain groups? Or maybe you just don’t want to hear the truth. How unscientific of you.

    • Manaphy

      “The truth will set you free” . . . . but no one said that it would make you happy

      • smells_just_like

        What he’s saying is that racism is so powerfully evil, even scientific facts of nature must be banned to prevent it from “raising its ugly head”.

        Channon Christian is our Redemption from all evil associated with White racism. Her sacrifice for us sets us free to be as racist as we want to be.

        It just feel like the right thing to do.

      • Potestas Tenebrarum

        And that’s why I’ve come to the frustrated conclusion that most people don’t want the truth, because they don’t want to be free either. Oh sure, they want to be “free” to indulge their carnal, sensual appetites: food, sex, intoxication, and our ruling class seems quite willing to indulge that kind of “freedom” – for now. But the “freedom” to think differently from one’s fellows, to bear witness to uncomfortable, even bitter truths? No, they prefer the comfort and safety of a “Noble Lie.”

        • Erasmus

          George Orwell was far ahead of his time. Most who indulge their passions so freely are the least free of all. They are enslaved to their passions and so are seldom left with the time, inclination or energy to think, something any dictatorial ruling classes would gladly welcome.

        • David Ashton

          Life, libertinism and the pursuit of pleasure.

      • Epiminondas

        “You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you mad.”

        • Incovienant truth

          I can’t help but wonder if the term ”mad” here, is the European version meaning insane, or American version meaning angry. Some difference in final concept, but then too somewhat parallel.

      • joemcgee

        My expert team ofnigrologistsand I are closing in on afinalsolutionto the black problem facing the nation.

      • exLibtard

        “The truth will set you free from your job, friends, and social standing.”

      • As a former scientist and engineer, I still prefer the truth.

        • Yorkshireman.

          Yes, and it took a very long time and a lot of torture for the blinkered prejudiced religious leaders and the general population to recognize that the earth does indeed revolve around the sun.

          • Nor does it have any direct correlation to the size of your penis!

    • thurlow

      This is clearly satire, the Gitmo reference touches all of the liberal hot buttons. The no redeeming value is an allusion to the old and current obscenity standard. Unfortunately the satire is spot on because this is pretty much what happens.

      • sbuffalonative

        The reference to the Flynn Effect certainly doesn’t sound like satire.

        • Mr. E

          The author added this “clarification” to the original article which suggests the article may be satire…

          Clarification: Some readers may wonder what I mean by “ban,” so let me spell it out. I envision a federal prohibition against speech or publications supporting racial theories of intelligence. All papers, books and other documents advocating such theories will be burned, deleted or otherwise destroyed. Those who continue espousing such theories either publicly or privately (as determined by monitoring of email, phone calls or other communications) will be detained indefinitely in Guantanamo until or unless a secret tribunal overseen by me says they have expressed sufficient remorse and can be released.

      • Charles Edward Lincoln III

        I hadn’t noticed the “no redeeming value”—good & sharp pick up! In the words of Tom Lehrer’s song “Smut”—“As the judge remarked the day that he acquitted my aunt Hortense, to be smut it must be utterly without redeeming social importance. …. Let’s hear it for the Supreme Court! Don’t let them take it away.”

      • Bergeron

        “Far from it. The claims of researchers like Murray, Herrnstein and
        Richwine could easily become self-fulfilling, by bolstering the
        confirmation bias of racists and by convincing minority children, their
        parents and teachers that the children are innately, immutably inferior.”

        This is not satire.

        • Then the next course of action should be to ask the unscientific American in question this:

          If he thinks race science becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, then where is his evidence that telling double digit IQ non-white children that they can all be brain surgeons and rocket scientists will mean they’re actually brain surgeons and rocket scientists as adults? IOW, if race science turns good kids bad, then egalitarian quackery should be able to turn bad kids good.

        • sbuffalonative

          If he gave links that were counter arguments to each claim, I would believe it’s satire. But the links support his position.

          I don’t believe this is satire.

          • The__Bobster

            He just added another postscript proving that he’s a true libtard:

            Post-Postscript: Scientific American has just published two excellent article on “stereotype threat,” which is a kind of reverse placebo–or “nocebo”–effect; victims of negative stereotypes may underperform because they believe the stereotype. See here and here. Some clever critics of my post might accuse me of hypocrisy, because these articles present research on race and should be subject to my proposed ban. Obviously I’m trying to eliminate research that reinforces rather than counteracting racism. I mean, Duh.

          • Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. The only real racists are those who disparage white people.

          • eunometic

            Scientiffic American does not do “excellent articles” it does entertainment/propaganda articles which are only opnions or conclusions disguised as science in the same way Hollywood embeds liberal propaganda in its entertainment. You won’t see Scientiffic American spend even 10% on discussing methodologies or providing any raw data.

            John Horgan is NOT a Scientist; he is educated 100% as a “journalist”. He is a pure libtard agitator.

          • sbuffalonative

            Which is why he had to publish his piece in a pop-science journal.

            Any serous publication would have rejected this outright.

          • sbuffalonative

            Translation: ‘I only support research the confirms my beliefs’.

            This guy needs to read up on ‘confirmation bias’.

        • eunometic

          I recall that psychometric research, noted by Phillip Rushton (RIP) into “self esteem” showed that the typical Black had more so called self esteem than a White Child. Over confidence and Bravado can be more of a problem. Consider the opposite stereotype; anxiety ridden but achievement rich Asians and Whites.

          The problem with self styled “liberals”. Is that they are neither liberal or tolerant. They have the seed of pol pot, Mao, Lenin in them: all used murder and torture to enforce liberal orthodoxy even in matters Scientiffic such as evolution.

          These people find plain English words such as “average” incomprehensible and racist let alone such basic concepts as mean and standard deviation.

          I recall the assault on Bjorne Lomborg by “Scientiffic American” for his beautifully written book “the skeptical environmentalist”. Lomborgs book was solid but parts of it could have been critiqued with reason. The kosher liberals at Scientiffic American instead conducted a vicious ad hominem on Lomborg.

          The liberal/Marxist left has long since abandoned the working class instead focussing on minorities, gender and green issues. Lomborgs book proved that things weren’t to bad environmentally and could be improved. It was optimistic. Optimism is intolerable to liberals who see alienation and anxiety as a necessary prerequisite for social change.

      • Potestas Tenebrarum

        “Jesters do oft prove prophets”

        • Charles Edward Lincoln III

          That’s the serious part of satire, and the message I think Horgan wants us to find in his article.

      • Flaxen-headed Strumpet

        I don’t think that nuanced (and ambiguous by extension) satirical style has any place in an editorial in a publication like Scientific American. Things need to be straight up in a journal like that.

      • gemjunior

        Are you sure it’s satire? I thought it might be with the Gitmo reference and not being relieased until showing enough remorse till I say so – it sounds like it must be. Why then does the rest of the article seem like a typical stupid liberal?

        • GeneticsareDestiny

          Yes, it’s strange. The entire article before the Gitmo paragraph seems like a real, stupid liberal. But the Gitmo paragraph is almost certainly satire.

          I’m kind of confused on this.

        • sbuffalonative

          Yes, the Gitmo reference was over the top but his reference to the Flynn Effect is troubling. It’s as if he believes this single idea and he can therefore disregard any research to the contrary.

        • panjoomby

          he added that last paragraph the next day – without explanation & without saying it was added later. he caught so much flak (rightfully so) that he tried to cowardly backpedal & pretend he was being satirical all along, after he found out science is not on the side of the witch hunters!

          • Human Natureboy

            It gets worse. Here’s another update:

            “Post-Postscript: Scientific American has just published two
            excellent article on “stereotype threat,” which is a kind of reverse placebo–or “nocebo”–effect; victims of negative stereotypes may underperform because they believe the stereotype. See here and here. Some clever critics of my post might accuse
            me of hypocrisy, because these articles present esearch on race and and should be subject to my proposed ban. Obviously I’m trying to eliminate research that reinforces rather than counteracting racism. I mean, Duh.”

    • StillModerated

      If certain groups are offended, then the only reply I can offer is “quite frankly, I’m really glad they’re offended.”

      • blight14

        I submit that being ‘offended’ should be the least of their concerns……hypothetically…………

    • cb

      This is the future. The Left will push for total political control of knowledge. The piece of trash that wrote this article would rather hold to leftist pieties, even if they are false, than accept the truth, that all people are not created equal. This guy is a scientist?

      • Sick of it

        Sadly, Fahrenheit 451 didn’t fully describe how skeevy these bastards are, as it did not account for the quiet removal of older, more truthful books from print in addition to their removal from circulation via the library system. They throw out old books and buy new, politically correct ones.

    • Sick of it

      Actually, they’re putting real science in a box TODAY so we can be more easily controlled. People living off the grid aren’t as easy to control.

    • Nathanwartooth

      I know this is a dirty tactic but you guys have got to see this! It’s a TV interview of Jared when he was editor of PC magazine.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8AAx8SE4

      • What? You mean to tell me that there was once a time when there were options other than Excel for spreadsheet work in productive environments? I just don’t believe it.

        All sarcasm aside, Excel is so dug-in to that space that even law offices, which could easily use Quattro Pro for spreads because they largely have the Corel Office suite because Word Perfect rather than MS Word is the standard for compiling legal documents, use Excel for spreads.

    • Ash Williams

      Apparently to that guy the truth has no redeeming value unless it agrees with anti-White correctness. Talk about a pathological bias, it doesn’t get any more bigoted than that. “I don’t believe anything that doesn’t agree with my agenda.”

  • Might as well be banned… it is like poison to touch that truth

    • brengunn

      True. I’s a de facto ban, as I’m sure this guy who the article refers to will find out as he struggles to find work ever again.

  • The__Bobster

    I remember when this was once a great magazine. Now it’s just a piece of PC trash that I wouldn’t line a birdcage with.

    • Charles Edward Lincoln III

      See my response to MekongDelta69 above. You have to be either terribly “thick” or awfully determined to see people as “evil” to imagine that this article is meant as other than ridicule with a fairly serious warning embedded. Science is based on challenging accepted paradigms in the eternal Hegelian dialectic of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. I do not think Scientific American supports anything else…..

      http://charleslincoln3.com

      • Nathanwartooth

        This indeed might be satire. The last paragraph:

        “*Clarification: Some readers may wonder what I mean by “ban,” so let me spell it out. I envision a federal prohibition against speech or publications supporting racial theories of intelligence. All papers, books and other documents advocating such theories will be burned, deleted or otherwise destroyed. Those who continue espousing such theories either publicly or privately (as determined by monitoring of email, phone calls or other communications) will be detained indefinitely in Guantanamo until or unless a secret tribunal overseen by me says they have expressed sufficient remorse and can be released.”

        I can’t help but think this is satire aimed at making fun of people who want the research banned.

        But in this age of ultra PC, it’s really hard to tell.

        • Robert Binion

          It reminded me of Swift’s “Modest Proposal.” That the satire is “hard to tell” is what makes it effective. Or, Horgan could be a real thinker and they are untroubled by ambiguity. He raises an interesting question–what is the “redeeming value” of racial study? It would be ungentlemanly to despise a woman because she is plain. Yet, beauty sings, does she not?

          • Charles Edward Lincoln III

            Comparison to Swift’s “Modest Proposal” is apt and, I think, accurate. The straight-faced satirical spoof is a commonplace in the modern world.

            I was once offended by a Book Review published concerning the movie “the Hunger Games” only to find that it was published on a magazine somewhat like “the Onion” that publishes caricatures as if they were real. I am SURE that Horgan’s piece is either aimed at making fun of the PC crowd or a serious warning about the really dark places where such extreme thinking can take us.

            Of course, in some countries, as we know, “non-party line” research into certain historical 20th century topics, such as the exact nature and murderous extent of the Nazi concentration camps, can already land you in jail. But the author’s sarcasm is revealed in setting himself up PERSONALLY as the arbiter of the results of the secret tribunal’s work….

            That is only as serious as W.S. Gilbert having the Lord Chancellor of England sing, in “Iolanthe,”:

            “The Law is the true embodiment of everything that’s excellent; it has no kind of fault or flaw and I, my lords, embody the law.”

            http://charleslincoln3.com

          • Sick of it

            The ultimate irony is having MILLIONS of Jews tell you about how the Germans murdered all the Jews…common sense, anyone? Even Jewish scholars have questioned the holocaust’s official numbers.

        • brengunn

          It’s on of the most subtle pieces of satire I’ve read. His clarification reads like an apology rather than the key to a satire.

        • Bergeron

          “Far from it. The claims of researchers like Murray, Herrnstein and
          Richwine could easily become self-fulfilling, by bolstering the
          confirmation bias of racists and by convincing minority children, their
          parents and teachers that the children are innately, immutably inferior.”

          This is clearly not satire.

        • Human Natureboy

          The article is not satire, as I originally suspected. The clarification was added post hoc to blunt the “ban the opposition” tone of his article. Here is something else he added:

          “Post-Postscript: Scientific American has just published two
          excellent article on “stereotype threat,” which is a kind of reverse placebo–or “nocebo”–effect; victims of negative stereotypes may underperform because they believe the stereotype. See here and here. Some clever critics of my post might accuse me of hypocrisy, because these articles present esearch on race and and should be subject to my proposed ban. Obviously I’m trying to eliminate research that reinforces rather than counteracting racism. I mean, Duh.”

          Translation: “Duh, I only want to ban the research that I don’t like…not the stuff I do. No hypocrisy here.”

          If this guy and SA can’t stand the scientific heat, they need to get out of the kitchen. They have no problem mocking religion. Why the hypocrisy? Well, the religion/evolution tact is employed in order to make themselves appear intellectually superior to the opposition, not because they are really interested in the truth or in logic/reason. Hypocrisy is warranted here because the topic does not advance them in any way.

          • Human Natureboy

            “victims of negative stereotypes may underperform because they believe the stereotype.”

            Many Jews were once stereotyped in the same way. They do not under-perform in the current world. And that does not explain why many Africans under-perform in near homogenous cities such as Detroit where black students are likely never to encounter a person of another race making light of that stereotype. Frankly, it’s just preposterous to believe that the enormity of the differences noted between races in terms crime rate and academic achievement is the result of a stereotype that many blacks only encounter every once in a while on tv; that’s a stretch of unimaginable proportions.

  • MekongDelta69

    I have one question about John Horgan if you dunked him in the water…

    Would he float, or would he sink?

    • Charles Edward Lincoln III

      I do not know this Mr. Horgan nor anything about him or his background, but am reasonably certain that his true beliefs, character, opinions on the subject reveal themselves in his last paragraph, wherein he sets himself up as the arbiter of “truth” and each individual’s capacity for rehabilitation:

      “Those who continue espousing such theories either publicly or privately (as determined by monitoring of email, phone calls or other communications) will be detained indefinitely in Guantanamo until or unless a secret tribunal overseen by me says they have expressed sufficient remorse and can be released.”

      Reminds me of my grandfather saying that he absolutely and totally believes in both pure democracy and totalitarian dictatorship, so long as he could be the dictator in either (or both) systems (as they would inevitably be) merged together.

      All of us would like to play God, but those of us who admit to this blasphemous inclination are those I fear the least. I think Mr. Horgan is advocating freedom her by his sarcasm and ironic commentary on what it would take to suppress freedom of speech in this particular field (or any field for that matter).

      I strongly doubt that Scientific American intended us to take Mr. Horgan’s position as anything but sarcastic and ironic. Go ahead, prove me wrong—but Scientific American has been around since before the publication of Darwin’s “Origin of Species” and has adapted fairly well through time….

      http://charleslincoln3.com

      • MekongDelta69

        Sorry Charlie, but your use of polysyllabic words and ‘Cornel West’ type ‘musings’ don’t hide your feelings.

        Obviously, you haven’t followed Scientific American through the decades. What “The Bobster” said below is exactly right. S.A. changed (along with the entire rest of American culture) in the mid-60s.

        • Charles Edward Lincoln III

          What exactly do you think my feelings on this topic might be, oh all-seeing (though dense as a turtle shell) wise guy? The longest word I use above is “totalitarian” (six syllables) which I think is a fairly commonly comprehensible (and only one syllable longer than your own “polysyllabic” (a five syllable word). And as for my “Cornel West” type musings—I have no idea what you’re talking about.

          I’m writing from New Orleans, Louisiana where I contributed the legal maximum to David Duke’s last major campaigns in 1991-1992. So don’t compare me to Cornel West or you’ll get a polysyllabically elongated truncheon up your lower posterior parts…..

          • MekongDelta69

            You might want to check out my profile before you go making internet threats, keyboard ‘hero’.

        • dd121

          I read Scientific American for years and it has a very leftist editorial policy. It’s definitely not the most objective magazine ever written.

        • The__Bobster

          Exactly. They sold out to the warmers a while ago. Any true scientist would never accept a conclusion reached politically rather than through the scientific method.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Are you sure he’s not busting out a little tongue in cheek? The last paragraph seems to be so extreme it makes me wonder what his opinion really is.

        Is he saying that if race realists are correct that this must still be covered up? No matter what the consequences? Strange.

  • smells_just_like

    Jonathan Bowden said it best when he explained that the entire modern edifice was constructed to prevent us from developing prejudice.

    That’s why I’m immune to the modern edifice. My prejudice wasn’t “developed”.

  • josh

    what a disgusting dirtbag! questions of race should be deemed “irrelevant’!! This slob tries to portray himself as “thoughtful”;he is torn you see! One part of him feels one way and yet another “part” of him feels another way! That is SO thoughtful!! So he decides to ban everything. His thinking,which no doubt reflects many of those in academia–lets just ban the knowledgeg we dont want–is sickening. he is a repressive tyrant.I wonder how far he would be willing to go to “ban” this irrelevant stuff,and punish the malefactors,if he had the power?? He would be at home in the Inquisition!!

  • NYB

    No white has ever felt ‘inferior’ because of intelligence research which placed certain Jews and Asians higher on the group I.Q. scale.

    Nor does anyone lose sleep worrying about it.

    • StillModerated

      According to Richard Lynn, the average IQ of Israel is only 94.

      • WhiteGuyInJapan

        That national mean includes the Sephardic and Falasha (African) Jews. European Jews in Israel generally occupy the higher levels of society and have higher levels of education, etc.

      • OlderWoman

        That must include the muslim squatters.

        • Xerxes22

          The Muslims in Israel are not squatters. They are the original inhabitants.

          • Morris LeChat

            no, they came to Israel from neighboring lands once the Jews started creating a vibrant economy. They are Israel’s mexicans.

          • B.S. That is nothing but Zionist propaganda! 99.8% of Arabs despise Israel and wouldn’t dream of moving into that area of the world voluntarily. The native Palestinians, who were living there for hundreds of years before Israel was formed in 1948, want the Israelis to get the hell off their land.

          • I believe the Muzzies were there all along, but Jews were driven out of Egypt and every other Middle-Eastern nation. They had only suitcases, and were welcomed in Israel, while the displaced Palestinian Arabs were not accepted by other Arabs. Displaced Jews in Israel prospered, while displaced Palestinian Muslims in the Arab world are usually not citizens and have been mistreated by their hosts.

          • Freya

            Archaeological evidence does not support that the jews were slaves in Egypt. They chose to go into Europe over a period of time and were invited by the european powers. They left Palestine of their own volition, and created problems for themselves wherever they went in Europe.

            And no, I don’t use words like ‘orcs’ to refer to black people so refrain from projecting your bigotry and hatred of other human beings onto me. I merely hold the jews responsible for what they choose to do.

          • My old gun-show partner was Jewish and a retired CIA agent. He was scrupulously honest with me as a “Goy”. He wrote the book on the FN-49, and loaned me some pieces, just so I could tell him how takedown went, and how to work up accurate loads for them. My only complaint about Richard was that he was overweight. He got me my “03 Curios & Relics” FFL.

            If it helps any, I call them “orcs” only because the moderators would simply delete my comments if I explained them in better detail. Also, I was completely ejected from AmRen for one of my less vicious comments about Muslims. One of my friends had to personally ask Mr. Taylor to allow me back. I try not to abuse his trust.

          • Freya

            You allow one singular anecdote to form an entire perspective on millions of people. You also assume that how some member of an entire group treats you as a white male is the norm for how all of that group treats other whites. I’d call you myopic but that just seems too generous.

          • David Ashton

            Shlomo Sand has written a book suggesting that many Palestinians are “racial” descendants of Jews who actually remained in the area after AD/CE 70, and who presumably were converted later to Islam. I have not gone into this research quagmire myself, but note that an impartial and substantial history of Israel and its neighbors is a rarity. Whatever their historic entitlement (or not) to the land area, Zionists from eastern Europe who say the large-scale return for settlement of Muslim Palestinians would undermine the Jewish national/cultural character of the present State of Israel are obviously correct. Equally the large-scale immigration (not return) of Muslims, Mexicans and Mongols into the USA would likewise destroy its national/cultural character. Sauce for the goose.

  • zone

    Head in sand leaves ass is exposed.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    From a letter published by VDARE.com, April 4, 2008):

    “Multi-ethnic nations can’t work without tyrannical governments. In order for America to become the multicultural paradise that the nation’s leaders dream of, the Constitution will have to be done away with.

    “Throughout the former USSR, when someone pointed out that socialist economic systems didn’t work—while they were standing in the breadline—they would soon disappear.

    “…Weeding out the objectors is the only way the ineffectual multicultural system can be maintained.”

  • wattylersrevolt

    Race and Intelligence research is 100 percent irrelevant to the fundamental issue facing Native Born White Americans:race-replacement at the hands of high fertility and very hostile post-1965 nonwhites such as the asians who score high on IQ tests.

    Jared and Brimelow,what’s it gonna be…my study versus your study for a very long time?

    You both could be agitating for bringing back the wonderfull Chinese Exclusion Act!!!. back….now that’ll make em go apoplectic big time!!!!..and wouldn’t that be wonderfull!!!!

    Peter Brimelow

    Why are you so terrified of a severe labor scarcity? Why aren’t you in favor of shutting down asian legal immigration forever? This is a way more interesting question than an endless debate about IQ test score psychometrics. Why have you made immigration at the most fundamental level an economic issue thereby openning the back door to race-replacing the Native Born White Majority?

    Asians are actively involved in the destruction of thousands of years of Native Born White American scientific,engineering, and medical experience that once it is destroyed it will be destroyed forever..the asian invaders in our America will make certain of this at election time. And Jared and Brimelow want to have an endless discussion of IQ test score psychometrics instead.

    Where does Jason Richwine stand on the legal immigration issue? What does he think of the Chinese Exclusion Act?

    • wattylersrevolt

      Where does Jason Richwine stand on the issue of asian legal immigration?..Is he for it or against it..his former employer..Heritage…big time enthusiasts for the treasonous H-1 B and L-1 Visa programs.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Thanks for bringing the discussion back to THE most pressing issue facing the White Race: The genocide of the White race through flooding of White homelands with non-Whites who will soon outnumber us and usurp our living space and resources for themselves.

      Who here want that? This new amnesty bill will accelerate the process of White dispossession and race-replacement in the U.S.

      Nothing else matters unless and until we have secured a homeland for ourselves and our posterity, not IQ, NOTHING.

      But, I fear it may be too late…

      Bon

  • MikeS

    The indoctrination is strong in this one. Fortunately, he will be among the first to be sacrificed by his own tribe when TSHTF.

  • WR_the_realist

    It seems the posts on the Scientific American web site are mostly on our side. The socially legitimate reasons for scientifically investigating differences in IQ among different human groups are obvious. Both conservatives and liberals know that there are radical disparities in outcomes among different racial and ethnic groups in America and just about every other part of the world. We all know that blacks have higher rates of crime, higher rates of illegitimacy, lower educational attainment, and lower incomes than whites or Asians. There is no debate about that. Precisely because their ideology does not permit them to believe in intrinsic, genetically based differences among races, liberals insist that these differences in outcomes are due to evil white people. If they can’t find actual Klansmen entering black neighborhoods and causing mayhem they blame it on “institutional racism”. So whites must forever make amends, discriminating against their own people and spending billions of dollars on welfare and social uplift programs like Head Start that never actually do any good. And we must open our borders to people who show every indication that they will prove to be a net burden to the rest of us. Bad social policies follow from the refusal of liberals to recognize some uncomfortable facts of science, and that is precisely why we need such science.

    • saxonsun

      And because they know it, they want to disregard it.

  • JohnEngelman

    John Horgan seems to think that research on race and IQ should be banned, not because people may be persuaded of what is not true, but because the truth may be dangerous to those he cares about. I suspect that his attitude is widespread among those who complain about the presumably “discredited theories of Charles Murray and others.” They are afraid of the truth.

    Charles Murray appropriately responded to this attitude when he wrote in, “The Inequality Taboo,” “specific policies based on premises that conflict with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm.”
    http://www.bible-researcher.com/murray1.html

    Causal relationships are difficult to prove in history because many factors influence a single important event. Nevertheless, it can be argued that the belief that race and IQ are irrelevant lead to the tripling of the crime rate from 1960 to 1980. During the 1960s racial discrimination was outlawed, and anti poverty programs were increased by the War in Poverty. The prison population declined. The crime rate doubled.

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/lawenforcement/punishment.pdf

    Bertolt Brecht has a character in one of his plays say, “He who laughs has not been told the terrible truth.”

    I would argue that ignoring a terrible truth is likely to lead to a more terrible reality. There should be no sanctions against telling the truth, whatever it is.

  • JohnEngelman

    This is my response to John Horgan, and those who think like he does:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA

    • Morris LeChat

      But john, it is YOU that can not handle the truth. The European male built the modern world. Asians contributed NOTHING to the making of the modern world. They have merely copied and manufactured inventions made by white Europeans. Your IQ tests that show asian superiority are meaningless in the real world where actual accomplishment counts. Doing well on a test is not an accomplishment.

      • JohnEngelman

        Orientals on the average are more intelligent than white Gentiles. China is rising. The United States is in decline, although within the United States Orientals are rising as white Gentiles sink. That is the truth.

        You can call it race displacement. You can call it genocide. I call it competition based on IQ.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94T-NC3uv3o

        • The__Bobster

          China is rising because they stole everything from us…or we foolishly gave it to them. They haven’t invented much on their own recently.

          • JohnEngelman

            The main reason China is rising is because the Chinese have higher average IQs than white Gentiles, and because they are less prone to social pathology.

          • ms_anthro

            Why don’t you live in Glorious China, John? Surely there must be a way for you to live among your chosen overlords without boring the rest of us with your anti-White gibberish.

          • The main reason that China is rising is that they have had – aside from the disaster of the “Cultural Revolution” 60 years of peace – an inexpensive, diligent labor force and in the last 25 years or so, access to the world market.

            That’s China’s plus-side. On their debit side, they have lots and lots of very poor people and a horribly polluted nation. In 2050, they will have lots of very, very old people and a tragically polluted nation.

            China is going nowhere in a very big hurry.

            Sorry, John.

          • Oh dear, I have been down-voted. I believe I shall slit my wrists for having told the truth. Perhaps instead I’ll have another glass of wine, and then spend some more time teaching Ariadne how to recover from an inverted flat spin.

          • David Ashton

            The intelligence of its leading groups is a factor in Chinese success, but their IQs have not been rising and rising since 1948. Your explanation, as usual, is too simple and too “single”.

          • Jotun Hunter

            that doesn’t change the fact that without us they’d stagnate, invent nothing, and continue revelling in pseudo-3rd world squalor, stoic banality, superstitious hive-mentality and the unsustainable appetite for eating exotic animals

          • JohnEngelman

            During the year 2005 Japan achieved the largest number of patent filings, followed by the United States, China, and South Korea in that order.

            During 2005 Japan had 0.9 percent more than 2004.

            The United States had 9.5 percent more than 2004.

            China had 32.9 percent more than 2004.

            http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/freepublications/en/patents/931/wipo_pub_931.pdf

            South Korea had 14.8 percent more than 2004.

            In other words, of the four most inventive countries in the world, three are Oriental. Japan the most inventive. China and South Korea are quickly catching up with the United States.

          • Jotun Hunter

            oh? and what were these incredibly useful and utterly unforgetable patents? New and innovative ipad holders? larger than normal plastic paper clips maybe? This is proof positive is it? Even those (whatever they are) are mostly ripped off by spies. I have seen china make false historical claims to inventing things such as irrigation (which was egypt, but not done seriously until the romans) – I understand they had gunpowder first (without the wherewithal to do anything much but fireworks) and some nice water clocks – and confucious was pretty good. But no, they don’t quite HAVE IT. I do incidentally make exception for the japanese – who seem to me the golden race of the orientals. I rate them nearly as highly as whites, and while they too may lack certain ingenuity, they have a culture that supports creativity. They are also the comeliest, the most artful, and the most interesting of the orientals. The rest are just too weird.

          • JohnEngelman

            Modern science shows a three-way pattern of race differences in both physical traits and behavior. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle, but closer to Orientals than to Blacks.

            – Professor J. Philippe Rushton
            http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/race_evolution_behavior.pdf

            The superior average intelligence of Orientals, as well as their lower rates of social pathology are not controversial. Nevertheless, Professor Rushton spoke at six American Renaissance conferences, so I think his finding merit respect by those who post comments here.

            There is a strong correlation between IQ and creativity. John Lennon had an IQ of 160. Truman Capote had an astonishing 215. Voltaire is estimated to have had an IQ of 190. The list goes on.

          • David Ashton

            Unlike you, Jared Taylor who founded American Intelligence has a clear scientific mind, open to new data and willing to develop his position. “If the facts change, I change my opinions – what do you do?” said John Maynard Keynes. The late Prof. Rushton developed an interesting explanation of variations between three primary races, but some of his data and their interpretation have been challenged, in some areas quite effectively; see e.g. Frederic Weizmann et al, “Differential K Theory and Racial Hierarchies”, Canadian Psychology, January 1990, pp.1-13, & Zack Cernovsky et al, “Re-analyses of J.P. Rushton’s Crime Data,” Canadian Journal of Criminology, vol.35 1993, pp.31-36. Recent work on human ancestry has modified his commitment to the Out of Africa model.

          • JohnEngelman

            That Orientals have higher average IQs than white Gentiles, and lower rates of crime and illegitimacy is well attested by any number of authorities. I have quoted several there and am tired of repeating myself.

            The facts do not change. Unfortunately the bigotry who resent Orientals because of their success in the class room and on the job does not change either.

          • David Ashton

            Facts do not change. Neither does your indifference to them. You repeat, without learning anything new.

          • JohnEngelman

            You repeat without saying anything new. You are unwilling to accept the racial superiority of the Orientals and the Ashkenazim.

          • David Ashton

            I have never denied that the average IQ of the Ashkenazim is higher than that of “white Gentiles” (as you call us).
            I am doubtful about the “racial superiority the Orientals” for reasons often given and unanswered.
            Much of my material is freshly researched, whereas you tend to reiterate the same old stuff on the pretext that it comes from Jared Taylor, Rushton and Lynn who have “spoken” at meetings held by American Renaissance, although you have no interest in promoting a renaissance of “white Gentile” society.
            You vision of the future USA seems to be of a presumably polyglot population consisting of Asians and Asian-White hybrids, largely “dominated” by clever Jews, who also have racially exclusive possession of much of the Middle East because the Bible tells us so. Apart from the fact that you also appear to welcome the racial disappearance of Afro-Americans and Arabs by starvation or warfare, your Utopia for the rest of us is a Dystopia.

          • JohnEngelman

            Many who post here seem to want an affirmative action policy in favor of white male Gentiles. I disapprove of any kind of affirmative action.

            As the word is frequently used “diversity” is a euphemism for “affirmative action,” which in turn is a euphemism for “discrimination against white men.”

            With other conditions equal, a company that lowers intellectual standards for blacks and Hispanics and physical standards for women in order to hire more of them will be at a competitive disadvantage to a company that only hires white male Gentiles.

            Before the 1960s many companies were like that. Help wanted ads in newspapers had one section for “help wanted men,” and another for “help wanted women.” Many companies did not hire Jews. Many more did not hire blacks.

            I suspect many who post comments here would like to return to those days. Needless to say, I would not.

            (I would like to return to the 91 percent top tax rate that prevailed during the 1950s, the fact that one third of the work force belonged to labor unions, the fact that a higher percentage of Americans went to church, and the fact that love and marriage went together like a horse and carriage. Those are topics for another discussion.)

            Now a company that only hires white male Gentile men will be at a competitive disadvantage to a company that hires without considering race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation, and only considered the ability to do the job well. That is the kind of diversity I like: one based on merit and personal choice.

            I enjoy quoting Jared Taylor, and agree with him on many issues. Nevertheless, I do not claim to be a spokesman for him. He believes that most people prefer the company of those who are ethnically and racially the same as they are.

            Increasingly that is not true. If it was, approval for interracial marriage, and the practice of interracial marriage would not be increasing, but they are. Many young, well educated professionals prefer living in cities like San Francisco and New York city because they are racially and ethnically diverse.

            Why do you think it costs so much to live in those cities? Read carefully: highly intelligent people earning big fat paychecks like to live there.

          • David Ashton

            There is a crucial difference between having access to various “foreign” things and living in a totally foreign environment.
            Anyhow one of my main points stands unchallenged: you are not interested in an American renaissance.
            Nor are “economics” everything in life, even to an Episcopalian of German ancestry.

          • JohnEngelman

            Some of may ancestors came from England. The English are descended from three German tribes: the Angles, the Saxons, and the Jutes.

            Tell me what you mean by “an American renaissance,” and I will tell you whether or not I am interested in it.

          • David Ashton

            Gosh, I didn’t know about the ancestry of the English, even though I was told it in primary school and have several books about it on my shelves!!!!!!!

            You once posted that you had German ancestors but I understand you have now left the Episcopalians (May 22).

            Why not ask Jared Taylor and the New Century Foundation what they mean by an “American Renaissance”? After all, you make abundant use of a website so named.

          • JohnEngelman

            If by “American Renaissance” they mean a return to white male supremacy that is not going to happen. I do not want it to happen.

            Attempting to restore white male supremacy will deflect energy away from efforts to achieve legal changes that are obtainable. These include an end to affirmative action, and forced school busing, and more restrictions on immigration. I am in favor of those legal changes.

            Even advocating the overturn of the Brown v. Board of Education decision of 1954, and the repeal of civil rights legislation passed during the 1960s will reduce the credibility of those who advocate these.

          • David Ashton

            You “do not WANT it to happen”.
            Quite clear now.
            Jewish-Chinese supremacy another matter.

          • JohnEngelman

            Prior to the passing of the civil rights legislation non whites, and in many cases Jews and women were discriminated against solely because they were not white male Gentiles. I do not want to return to that milieu. Do you?

            If Jews and Chinese Americans achieve supremacy in the United States it will not be because they are Jews and Chinese Americans, but because of superior merit.

          • Certainly, but Japan is not China. Japan doesn’t even want to be China.

            The relative growth rates you have shown are mathematical sleight-of-hand. A nation that has one patent filing in 2004 and two in 2005 has achieved 100% growth in this respect, but this does not make the country a technological innovator, does it?

          • David Ashton

            Why South Korea, not North? The former has been westernized and in continual interchange with western science. The latter is distinctively Oriental, and proud of its ethnic purity.

        • David Ashton

          I regret to say that even I am beginning to think there is something wrong with your personality as well as your incorrigible opinions and “debating” tactics now you have added, once again, this Maoist propaganda film which claimed, five decades ago, that wherever the Communist Party goes the People there are “liberated”, but which has little recent relevance to your statements above. It appearance here says a lot about you, though.

          It reminds me of the Nazi “Triumph of the Will” film, though not as well done. Unlike the comparative early achievements in Germany, it appeared between the Chinese “Great Leap Forward”, when millions were worked, starved or beaten to death, and the “Cultural Revolution” which launched vicious nationwide attacks by Red Guards on helpless victims and historical treasures. For one set of calculations of death-tolls from this social(ist) pathology, see e.g.

          http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM

          As a little up-to-date footnote on your best beloved country (or is that Israel?), “The granddaughter of communist dictator Chairman Mao has made it on to China’s rich list with a fortune of £340 million…. Mao…stamped out private ownership in his revolution, which is thought to have claimed the lives of around 40 million people” (Daily Mail, May 10).

  • White Mom in WDC

    This is the beginning of the end of actual scholarly inquiry in higher education. Actually whites should be thanking these people because now we can save our money for other things outside of sending our kids to college .

    For those of you on this board that have teenage kids, start looking at other options such as trade schools and apprenticeships. There is actually a new school called the ‘ e school’ which does hands on training in firms and it was started by an MBA as an alternative for students without means. We whites have to disengage from all whole system. It is disintegrating before our eyes

    • Bad_Mr_Frosty

      Not only disintegrating, but the disintegration is accelerating.

      There’s a storm coming…

    • Morris LeChat

      one week we have news stories where academic researchers are telling us that we have been getting less intelligent over the past few thousand years. The next week we have academics spouting the Flynn affect, saying each generation gets smarter. Let’s face it, academics don’t know anything, it is all a scam.

      • White Mom in WDC

        Yep. These people just saved tens of thousands of dollars because I am not wasting money on sending my kids to college

  • Erasmus

    If he were an intellectually honest man, he would welcome open discussion and not shy from it. We are not talking about forcible sterilization or concentration camps, we are only talking about discovering the truth. THAT he should welcome.

  • bigone4u

    If dueling were legal, I would challenge Horgan to a duel using dueling pistols at the old 20 paces rule. He has defamed me and my non-slave-owning ancestors by imputing evil to our ability to see and speak of the racial differences that arise before us. He also proposes to strip us of our human rights, given by natural law, to think and speak freely. Unfortunately, challenging someone to a duel is illegal, so I’ll have to be content to say to Horgan: You, sir, are a disgrace to science. You have every right to refute, if you can, research that you find odious and distasteful. You have no right to punish others for doing that research. Unlike Galileo, who was forced to recant, I will not bow to your diversity gods. Go to Hades, sir.

    • Funny you should mention the subject of duels. Until several years ago, Paraguay still allowed it, with the proviso that the parties each donate blood and that the challenged party would be allowed the choice of weapons.

      The only occasion for me that went so far as Asuncion was the one who ran away. He wanted swords, so I had brought my own. I made a classic “ballestra-beat-lunge” and my claymore ran across his face, bone-deep. He lowered his epee, so I closed and punched his ruined face, tripping him up and grabbing his shirt. I planned to put my claymore into him from top to bottom, but he threw down, turned his back and ran away. I got only his sword.

      It was a very good family heirloom, which more than paid for my airfare.

  • wattylersrevolt

    It has no redeeming value if you are serious about reversing and halting the deliberate and open policy of race-replacing the Native Born White American Majority.

    Jared and Peter Brimelow

    What if every Mexican had an IQ of 3,000..suppose this happened tommorrow. Does the case for kicking the Mexicans out decrease by a bit? Obvious Answer:no..I mean why would you want to deprive Mexico of such a great resource?

  • Greg Deane

    Just look at what happened when Galileo was published despite the efforts of the Catholic Church. People saw the earth was not the centre of the universe. Did any good come from that? So obviously research into race and IQ must be banned on penalty of being burnt at the stake.

  • brengunn

    Many people on here often say that liberals recognize racial differences just as much as us realists do but are simply unwilling to acknowledge them, I happen to believe this is true a lot of the time, too. This article, and others like it, merely confirm this position, for why would any ‘scientist’ rule out such potentially important research unless they were afraid of the conclusions? Were they true racial egalitarians race research would hold no fear as the races are truly equal and all tests and studies would do no more than prove this. Not only this, race research is really the only honest avenue open to racial egalitarians, all their threats and even their silence are nothing more than their hypocrisy manifest.

    Can anyone make out the clarification? The article was as far as I could tell not a spoof and then he cops pot at the end with that nonsense. He really has got himself into a muddle here, hasn’t he!

    • heretic

      The bewildering thing to me has always been: why do white liberals so passionately want to believe in racial egalitarianism? What would be so horrible in believing that their own group is innately more gifted in some areas than other racial groups?

      These people believe in a moral code that is based on genetic racial equality. For some reason, that view is extremely attractive to them and they are horrified to believe that their own group might be better than other groups in certain respects. Why that is the most important thing in their lives is a question for the ages.

      • ms_anthro

        I believe it’s because acknowledging inherent racial differences in ability would destroy the wealth redistribution scam. It’s hard to justify Affirmative Action, Head Start, and other lucrative anti-White programs if we openly accept that throwing more money at the lower races won’t elevate them to White or East Asian levels. It’s hard to justify taking away our sacred right of freedom of association if we acknowledge that blacks make dangerous neighbors because they are black, and no number of social reconditioning schemes will change what evolution hath wrought.

        Behind every leftist is a person seething with envy, class insecurity, and resentment against anyone who makes himself useful. There’s even an old term for it: “Tall Poppy Syndrome.” Career academics in do-nothing jobs, worthless “scholars” with hilariously pointless degrees in pseudoscience disciplines like Womyn’s Studies, government bureaucrats with fat pensions, anti-capitalists who couldn’t earn put together a workable business plan for a lemonade stand if their life depended on it, and of course the parasites who leech off the government teat…these are the ones most likely to hate the producers (Whites) and reach for more “entitlements” via the redistribution of our wealth and cultural destruction of our people.

        • You mentioned “Tall Poppy Syndrome”; have you lived in Australia?

          • ms_anthro

            No, Mr. Scott, I have not. But I believe I first heard the expression from an Australian. Nice catch.

    • saxonsun

      If our Western societies actually come out and officially recognize the natural intellectual inferiority of non-white groups, something would then have to be done about it. A problem always demands a solution. That’s a major reason why most people simply look away from these truths.

      • Will

        I have an idea for a solution.

        I say, segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever is the solution.

  • rick

    What this liberal tyrant is proposing would be a clear violation of the constitution and he knows it. Heck even a group the ACLU defends the right of the Klan to espouse their beliefs in public. Go ahead Mr. Horgan, try and ban IQ research. Even if you succeed scientists in other countries like China will still pursue the truth.

  • Anon

    For example, to my mind the single most important finding related to the
    debate over IQ and heredity is the dramatic rise in IQ scores over the
    past century. This so-called Flynn effect,
    which was discovered by psychologist James Flynn, undercuts claims that
    intelligence stems primarily from nature and not nurture.

    And here we have another out and out lie being used by anti-white scum in order to avoid the obvious. He knows damn well what the truth is but is able to lie about it because people insist on misinterpreting IQ as a measure on intelligence instead of the yes/no norm based test for mental deficiency it is. That insistence is selfish and, quite frankly sick. It’s rooted in the desire (a desire that comes from LIBERALISM I might add) to be better than other people somehow. I need to look at some minor difference in IQ and say, “Oooh….I’m smarter than you”. Not only is that immature, it shows gross ignorance of what intelligence is (go back to school person of average ability pretending to be something you’re not).

    It’s a weakness our enemies exploit all the time. And here is a direct example. He turns such ignorance into a weapon in order to claim what is not true. People are not getting smarter. At least, if they are, there is no good way to measure that except perhaps, collective wealth. Success is the best measure of the ability to succeed. He claims further that, if people are getting smarter, how smart doesn’t matter because we can always increase it. He thinks this somehow is proof Richwine is an idiot. But to people who understand the science involved, Horgan’s claim is laughably ignorant. His desire to attack the person instead of the idea is also repulsive. One of the two, Richwine or Horgan, is a repulsive bigot arguing in bad faith. It’s not Richwine.

    What is the truth of the “Flynn Effect”? It literally means nothing. Normative tests rely on the a priori assumption of “normality”, lol. In other words, a rise of scores from generation to generation, by the very nature of the test, demands that a higher score is normal, not that the average person somehow has more of something no one can agree on its nature, let alone measure its amount.

    A little advice to Horgan. Crack open a book and learn what the word “normative” means before putting your lack of education and bigotry on display in front of a national audience.

    • Dr. Logic Bot

      “or example, to my mind the single most important finding related to the
      debate over IQ and heredity is the dramatic rise in IQ scores over the
      past century. This so-called Flynn effect, which was discovered by
      psychologist James Flynn, undercuts claims that intelligence stems
      primarily from nature and not nurture.”

      It does not. I can add water to a house plant and make it grow larger. I could also do the same with a pecan tree. However, the ultimate height of the tree will be greater due to genetic contribution.

  • Bill

    I’ve said it before. Funny how, before integration was fully accomplished, the academics from grade school through PhD level were devoted to IQ as an indicator of intelligence and likelihood of achievement. And, might I add, for advanced placement along with grades? Now, that the bantus mestizos are everywhere disrupting classes and doing poorly, they aren’t so fond of IQ. Jars their world view and works against their agendas.

    • saxonsun

      Yes, notice that. Clearly, this is not coincidental.

  • guest

    No one ever said the truth would be pretty to hear. That’s why these PC thugs are trying to ban this. They’d prefer it if everyone just goes through life with their heads buried in the sand than to face reality and see things as they are which these fools would see as “offensive”.

  • Bergeron

    This guy Horgan doesn’t seem like a very scientific American to me.

  • I especially like how The Atlantic blogger Ta-Nehisi Coates compiled historical evidence that race is more a social than biological phenomenon.
    .
    That anyone is employed at a magazine titled “Scientific American” is citing Ta-Nehisi Coates indicates it’s scholarly value..
    .
    I’m torn over how to respond to research on race and intelligence. Part of me wants to scientifically rebut the IQ-related claims of Herrnstein, Murray, Watson and Richwine. …
    .
    But another part of me wonders whether research on race and intelligence—given the persistence of racism in the U.S. and elsewhere–should simply be banned.

    .
    Will some please dare him to try to refute the claims of Herrnstein, Murray, Watson and Richwine in a scientific and scholarly manner …. not by writing some garbage around pieces of other people’s garbage ala the famed skola Ta-Nehisi Coates.

  • Breaking news:

    Scientific American will soon change its name to Religious American.

    • Dr. Logic Bot

      Ironically, “Scientific” American once ran an April Fool’s cover mocking creationists. Will they do the same for this?

  • Blacks, Hispanics underrepresented in gifted programs
    .
    Statistics for 2011-12, the most recent year available, show a similar pattern. For instance, African Americans made up 24 percent of the overall enrollment but just 11 percent of the students identified as gifted. On the other hand, children of Asian ancestry made up 6 percent of the overall enrollment but 13 percent of the gifted students.
    .
    Here’s another way to look at the numbers: Statewide, 16 percent of all Virginia students were identified as gifted last year – but the rate varied drastically among racial and ethnic groups. Thirty-five percent of all Asian students were identified as gifted; 19 percent of all white students; 11 percent of all Hispanic students; and 8 percent of all African American students. …..
    .
    To help address racial disparities, Richmond Public Schools use a matrix of assessments aimed at ensuring that all students have an equal chance at being identified for gifted education. Those assessments include parent inventories, teacher recommendations, ability measurements and achievement measurements. It can also include non-verbal measurement testing.

    .
    The afirmative action gifted programs begin …..

  • john stone

    unscientific unamerican

  • Alfred the Great

    The article talks about intelligence parity between Whites and Hispanics. First, the term Hispanic is used too broadly. We are not being overrun by Hispanics, people who are descendants of European Spaniards, we are being overrun by American Indians or Amerindians from south of our border with Mexico. I am in the State of Texas and I see them everyday; there isn’t anything Hispanic about them. Second, while in the Army for three decades, there was difficulty getting the descendants of Amerindians promoted in the officer corps. There is a definite racial difference in intelligence, without question. Nice guys, but not very smart.

    • David Ashton

      As an Englishman, I have wondered whether the use of the word “Latino” also has been used to mask the real racial character of your southern invaders. It suggests the Romance languages of white Europe.

  • StillModerated

    I guess the stupid left has forgotten the groundbreaking work of Roger Pearson:

    Blood groups and race. (1st edition unknown) 2nd ed. 1966, Clair Press, London, and Noontide Press, Los Angeles

    Race & civilisation. (1st edition unknown) 2nd ed. 1966, Clair Press, London, and Noontide Press, Los Angeles

    Evolution, Creative Intelligence, and Intergroup Competition. Cliveden Press, 1986

    Race, Intelligence and Bias in Academe. Introduction by Hans Eysenck.[19] Scott-Townsend Publishers, Washington, D.C., 1991

    • David Ashton

      No, they smear this elderly gentleman and cultured anthropologist as a nasty Nazi. See e.g. Bruce Lincoln, “Theorizing Myth” (1999) pp.122-3, 258-9; Stefan Arvidsson, “Aryan Idols” (2006), pp.304-5. They do not refute his views, but summon up subliminal Pavlovian “gas chamber” reactions.

    • David Ashton

      See my PS.

  • So CAL Snowman

    Who’s up for a good old book burning?

  • Stentorian_Commentator

    Holy crap! This is not The Onion? Notice the mountains of unsupported assumptions to support absolute totalitarianism. Of course we must all agree that minorities have been given a raw deal, except of course for Ashkenazi Jewish minorities, East Asian minorities, and certain South Asian minorities. Why come their raw deals don’t get reflected in low IQ scores? Plus, even if there is a Flynn Effect (I reflexively support anything semiscientific with an Irish name next to it), I understand its effect is proportionately about the same for all groups, so that gaps persist. So, if the Flynn Effect can’t explain persistent gaps, how does it undermine all arguments that there can be race-based IQ gaps?

  • humura

    John Horgan writes: “But research on race and intelligence—no matter what its conclusions are—seems to me to have no redeeming value.” Horgan is wrong. Here is why. Government policies of affirmative action preferences and privileges for Blacks and Hispanics is based on the assumption that all groups are equally gifted in all fields, including intelligence. Since Blacks and Hispanics cannot pass the same tests that require intelligence, government demands quotas to give them a percentage of jobs, university posts, close to their percentage of the population.
    What if the government policies and assumptions are based on a lie. Science can search and discover. Science has never found all the races of equal intelligence. So affirmative action in fields of intelligence is unscientific, unrealistic, and discriminatory against whites and Asians who are more intelligent.
    Equal opportunity does not mean giving special privileges to Blacks and Hispanics to end with an equal result.
    Science can expose the fallacies of government and its unfair, unjust policies – denying equal opportunity to better qualified whites and Asians bacause of a false theory that all races are equal in all fields. Science proves the lie of the government policies. It shows the liberals to have created a skyscraper of privilege for some (the pets of the elite) and oppression for whites and Asians build on sand and lies. The sooner it crumbles, the better. Let science expose the lies and the oppression. The government, and the liberals, are the real bullies.

    • The real bullies are the Jews who push these asinine policies, in order to destroy the White race and European civilization. Quit calling them “liberals”. The liberals are just useful idiots recruited by the Jews to promote their genocidal agenda against white people.

  • Diamond_Lil

    Deeming evidence on IQ differences irrelevant because it makes you uncomfortable is hardly scientific. So now our scientists are going to dumb down standards like our public schools? What happened to Scientific American?

  • NordicHeritage

    The left has turned race into their sacred religion. And just like with questioning anyone’s religion, once it’s questioned people get irate and violent with the questioner. The new pc religion is anti-white and I don’t think there’s anyway to stem the tide of this silliness at this point.

  • ViktorNN

    Let them try to ban the pursuit of knowledge in this country.

    All it means is that other countries with far less of a mushy soft-headed view of reality will take the lead in such research. Eventually, political correctness will run up against the brick wall of scientific truth. There won’t be any sugar coating it.

  • Funny how progressives and elties ALWAYS correlate superiority and IQ – when people like Richwine who research it say nothing of the sort.

    • WR_the_realist

      Liberals believe in IQ when they want to ban lead paint or other environmental hazards that lower IQ. They believe in IQ when they want to prevent a convicted black murderer from getting the death penalty by arguing he was too stupid to know any better, so can’t be held responsible for his actions. And they certainly believe that they, the liberals, have higher IQ than conservatives. But when it comes to racial differences, suddenly IQ doesn’t exist, and it is evil to think it does.

      • Liberals are proving how stupid they are when they voted for Obama the second time around.

        • WR_the_realist

          Conservatives proved how stupid they are when they gave us first McCain, and then Romney as the alternative to Obama. Intelligent people either stayed home or voted for a third party in both elections.

  • ms_anthro

    And there it is, the multiculturalist mind laid bare. These people are nothing less than bloodthirsty tyrants. They would lock people in cages for daring to speak the truth.

    It is not popular speech that needs to be protected by the First Amendment, but speech that would inspire little Stalins like John Horgan to impose his mad desires on the rest of us. Race realism literally drives these creatures insane. They can’t refute us with facts or logic, so in the end they turn to the only thing they respect and understand: force, or more specifically, oppressive government force against their enemies.

    Will you personally be coming for our books and papers, Mr. Horgan, or are you sending someone else’s sons to die? I think we all know the answer to that one.

    What an odious and pathetic excuse for a man. Come and get us, coward.

  • IstvanIN

    Many years ago I read an editorial in the Newark Star Ledger (a rag I haven’t picked up since 2002) by a black author, forget his name, he said something along the lines that if blacks did have an innately IQ he welcomed the knowledge because then educational strategies could be developed to bring blacks up to the same level as everyone else. He felt it would be pointless to continue educating black kids the same way as whites if that way would never work. That was a pretty sensible point of view, at least for a black guy. To bad most people can not be a but more objective.

    • Rhialto

      Not from “scientific” studies, but from private discussions, I believe that most blacks:

      1-Know, on the average, that black mental capacity is less than whites.

      2- Don’t care about this lack. Blacks much more value in other qualities.

      They used the term, booker, to describe blacks that spent much time studying or thnking.

      • MBlanc46

        I think that you’re probably right. I don’t know of any serious studies of black attitudes toward the IQ gap, but there does seem to be a recognition among many or even most blacks that they aren’t the sharpest knives in the block. They seem to privilege “soul” over intelligence.

  • pcmustgo

    Why do we need to know this stuff? Because Blacks and Latinos are always blaming us for their failures! As a rebuttal to them constantly blaming us! To save our own skins!

  • Jim G

    “The claims of researchers like Murray, Herrnstein and Richwine could easily become self-fulfilling…”

    For every one article or book that gets published asserting White superiority in intelligence there are at let a thousand “scientific” articles or books published claiming that Blacks are equal to Whites. And these anti-White writings are given full play as gospel truth by the MSM.

    Now why aren’t these pro-Black writings self-fulfilling? Why didn’t the massive output of propaganda telling Blacks that they were as smart as Whites become self-fulfilling and end
    in Blacks being as smart as White?

  • WhiteGuyInJapan

    Although Flynn has argued against a strong heritable factor in intelligence, the Flynn Effect does not necessarily negate the heritability of inteliigence. It simply argues that, due to numerous factors (higher levels of technology in society, better nutrition/medical care), the mean IQ of populations is increasing slowly but steadily.
    Those who would argue that the Flynn Effect voids the arguments of Murray and Hernstein (who themselves cited dozens of other people’s research) should probably take the time to read their book. The authors are quite aware of the Flynn Effect as they coined the term in reference to James Flynn’s research!
    PS-That article sucks! As satire, as science and as journalism. Garbage.

  • wilburnsprayberry

    There’s facetiousness at the end, but overall Horgan is proclaiming his moral superiority to scum like Richwine, Murray & Herrnstein, and that creepy old James Watson. What virtue abounds in being a public anti-racist! God bless you sir…oh…nevermind the god part, but love to you, my fellow featherless biped.

    And, though genetic research & genome sequencing will continue, isn’t it pretty much a dead lock certainty that no one will try to employ such research to investigate racial differences ever again? At least Harvard hasn’t (yet) announced it will “look into” the circumstances in which Richwine’s Ph.D was awarded (i.e., figure a way to revoke it).

    But they don’t need to. Racial science is dead.

    How different things looked in 1994, when THE BELL CURVE was published. TBC had been keenly anticipated by conservatives (mainstream conservatives!) for several years. It was supposed to establish beyond doubt that intelligence is largely genetic, that races are unequal in its distribution, and these facts would force the government to abandon social policies (from affirmative action to disparate impact, and a thousand others) based on the opposite belief that absolute human equality could be attained if we could only eradicate white racism.

    But when the book finally came out, and conservatives read it, and looked into the abyss – at just how insane our country had become, under the rule of “equality in all things” – they not only flinched, they turned & ran screaming in the opposite direction. It just couldn’t be that those nasty old Southern segregationists had been right all along. It just couldn’t be that the liberals AND the “conservatives” of a certain ethnicity had deliberately tricked us into an immigration policy which was turning our country into a Third World cesspool.

    Because…if those things were actually true…it would take a race war…it would take far too much blood, toil, tears & sweat, it would mean giving up all the nice perks conservatives had been given and gotten addicted to as they made their accomodations with our rulers… to put our country right again.

    When the conservatives found out the truth about race, we found out the truth about conservatives.

    Above all, it is the conservatives who turned their back on THE BELL CURVE, and all it represented. It is they who gradually, steadily, stopped talking about race themselves, then withdrew their support from scholars & scientists who did talk about race, and finally began attacking, with increasing ferocity, those few brave souls who wouldn’t back down on the subject.

    So now we have wretched creatures, like Jim DeMint, George Will & Marco Rubio, who attack and destroy any white man who refuses to repeat the lie that “race doesn’t exist,” or “race doesn’t matter,” or “our constitution is colorblind,” or “we are a nation of immigrants” – all in the name of conservatism.

    Take notes, comrades. Take names. When the time comes, let us remember who our true enemies are.

  • Ella

    I remember reading some so-called scholarly work by Ivy League, Black activists that alleged Whites have a racist gene. I don’t know how this even got published or discussed during college class but it did. If Whites can tolerate these accusations or so-called findings from their research, then, other ethnic groups have to tolerate our IQ research. Universities used to be a place to have open discussions even if outcomes seem questionably true or blatantly false. You have to defend it and that is part of freedom of speech.

    Heritability provides a potential to reach a maximum IQ meaning that to be a genius one parent usually has to have 3 SD (standard deviations) above normal IQ to reach 145. It also takes a certain type of environment to help nurture his or her talent. If there is malnutrition or a child lives in mass poverty, then, this IQ most likely not reach genius level but probably will be above avg. at least. There is a private, genius dating club so that two geniuses have a higher likelihood to produce an offspring above 145 IQ and not risk a lower IQ with one genius and one non-genius. People will select mates as they see fit if it is intelligence or aesthetics or wealth. It’s not against the law yet.

  • Carney3

    I presume, especially with his Guantanamo followup, that he is writing tongue in cheek. He cannot be serious.

    • Jane Johnson

      That’s what I was thinking, too. His “clarification” is too over-the-top to be taken any other way. Now, if this article had been published in Salon

  • Troy

    Liberal insanity at its finest. Let’s censor scientific inquiery before it proves something we might not want to hear. Multiculturalism is the 20th century equivalent of the flat earth theory.

  • QuinnTheEskimo9

    The only conclusion on race allowed is that all non-Whites are oppressed by Whites.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    This so-called Flynn effect, which was discovered by psychologist James Flynn, undercuts claims that intelligence stems primarily from nature and not nurture.

    No, it doesn’t.

    Flynn is a darling of the left. The Flynn Effect has been used by egalitarians to dismiss IQ as “meaningless” because they claim with enough time, effort and $$ from the White community, the racial IQ gap will converge and disappear. Fifty years and a trillion dollars later, the achievement gap remains.

    John Horgan and anyone else here who believes the contention that “Flynn undercuts claims that intelligence stems from nature and not nurture” needs to read Professors Rushton and Jensens’ rebuttal to Flynn and Dicksens’s claims:

    They (Flynn and Dickens) excluded the Wonderlic Personnel Test, the Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children, the very g-loaded Woodcock-Johnson test, the Differential Ability Scale. To be compelling researchers must take the totality of available evidence into account.

    [Flynn’s] findings contain many holes, Rushton and Jensen maintain in a rebuttal published with the study. For example, Dickens and Flynn ‘cherry-picked’ their results by leaving out four tests that don’t support their conclusions, Rushton says.

    Even the tests Dickens and Flynn did analyze do not support their conclusion. The alleged gain of 4 to 7 point is from a ‘projected’ trend line based on a small IQ rise per year multiplied by more years than are in the data using unclear procedures. Simple arithmetic applied to the data in their Table A1 shows a mean gain for blacks of only 3.44 IQ points, from 86.44 to 89.88.

    In the schools, the racial IQ gap is never discussed as THE reason for the racial achievement gap; we aren’t allowed to talk about it. Any mention of IQ and race is branded Hate Speech and BANNED.

    Meanwhile, while Flynn is lauded and honored:

    Rushton’s book was once seized at the Canadian border and considered for being banned under hate crime laws from entering the country.

    White IQ differences in the United States have remained at 15 to 18 points, or 1.1 standard deviations, for nearly a century…with a Black overlap of the White mean of 13%.

    Eppur si muove, despite what Flynn claims.

    http://psychology.uwo.ca/facul

    Bon

    • Ella

      Flynn said that IQ has reached a “plateau” over the last 20 yrs as seen in Denmark and other Anglo countries. He claims possibly that minorities are “catching up” as Westerners level off in IQ-point increase. Maybe, he should look at a possibility that mass or 3rd world immigration may negatively affect White societies and influence a drop in quality of education. 3rd World minorities also score lower. Can it make our own population “less intelligent” over time by “dumbing down” the education system and draining needed resources in the billions??? If it’s genetic, technically, it should not. But, environment still nurtures the potential.

    • The__Bobster

      http://www.vdare.com/posts/flynn-effect-the-smart-get-smarter

      Flynn Effect: The smart get smarter
      By Steve Sailer on May 16, 2013 at 3:48am

      The Flynn Effect is a term coined by Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein to refer to the phenomena of rising raw scores on IQ tests that James Flynn has frequently documented.

      It is widely assumed that the Flynn Effect will narrow racial/ethnic gaps in IQ. The handful of semi-sophisticated denouncers of Jason Richwine like to cite the Flynn Effect: Well, sure, Hispanics lag in IQ now, but the Flynn Effect will solve that Real Soon Now.

      This is not an unreasonable presumption on a priori diminishing marginal returns grounds. For example, in recent decades, life expectancy gaps between countries have mostly narrowed (except during the worst AIDS years in Africa), because traditionally rich countries have had diminishing returns at improving life expectancies compared to traditionally poor countries.

      But, there’s not much evidence of IQ racial/ethnic gaps closing in the real world: gaps in IQ are notoriously intractable. So, just eyeballing the data over the decades suggests that the Flynn Effect is about the same size for all racial/ethnic groups, with possibly Asians having a larger one.

  • SoCal88

    Racial equality is an unscientific ideology which is essential to the promotion of multiculturalism. Accusations of “racist” and “racism” are used to intimidate and brand any member of the academic or scientific communities who questions the wisdom of multiculturalism or criticizes individuals who espouse it. The blatantly obvious reality is, of course, that racial equality has no scientific basis whatsoever, and is utterly incompatible with Darwin’s Theory of Evolution. Since most of the world is now committed to multiculturalism, this presents a conundrum – actually more like “The Conundrum”. How does a modern society continue to deal with large racial groups who are not equipped evolutionarily to live in a complex civilization with easy access to firearms? Ideas?

    • David Ashton

      Multiculturalism was promoted, forced on western societies like England, by New Left revolutionaries, particularly in education; I met them, watched them, and have boxes full of their own publications. They themselves used to call their march through our institutions “nationwide agenda-networking” (i.e. conspiracy).

  • heretic

    White people are weird. Watching them is truly amazing. They are obsessed with a moral system that disallows scientific inquiry into racial or gender differences because of their religious-like commitment to egalitarianism. White people themselves could use some analysis on their brains. Maybe neuroscience will spot what it is in the white man’s brain that makes him nuts. Non-whites are superior to whites in that way. Blacks and Hispanics may have lower IQ’s but at least they aren’t crazy.

    White liberals are supposed to be so secular and so enlightened and they believe in science, etc. Yet they seem to believe in their bogus morality more than science and when their morality conflicts with science they cling to their morality. They don’t believe in science when it may be inconvenient for their precious egalitarian ideology. They are insane wackjobs.

    • saxonsun

      Weird, and crazy. Whites are actually disenfranchising their progeny. That’s the ultimate madness.

    • Or, maybe there’s another, simpler, more practical explanation.

      Egalitarianism doesn’t make logical sense, but it’s also a weapon with which certain kinds of people with power and wealth use to accumulate more power and wealth and/or neutralize threats to their existing power and wealth. The unscientific American who wrote this article didn’t write what he wrote because it makes sense, he did it because he’s pandering to the power elite that directly benefits from egalitarian ideology.

      • David Ashton

        Just as drugs work on receptor areas of the brain, so the “altruism” and “compassion” nerve centers of the “white organism” are targeted by its enemies.

    • Human Natureboy

      “White liberals are supposed to be so secular and so enlightened and they believe in science, etc.”

      Actually, they are none of those things. Evolutionary psychology explains their motivation: social advancement. By supporting egalitarianism, they tacitly build coalitions with others who see themselves as disadvantaged or oppressed. By attacking religion, they appear more intelligent than others – thereby attracting followers while ridiculing the authority of the opposition. In both cases, DWLs are subconsciously attempting to advance themselves within society. They care nothing for logic or science except when it serves those goals.

  • bubo

    Never let a liberal who pushes racial equality nonsense tell you they aren’t religious. These people are more fundamentalist than anyone. This is the equivalent of book burning.

    • robinbishop34

      Secular fundamentalism is way more strident than any Catholic church.

      • David Ashton

        “Liberalism – the ideology of western suicide” (James Burnham). Now an ideological cult, which indoctrinates, censors and controls its own subjects in to fanaticism akin to religion.

  • Morris LeChat

    one week we have researchers telling us we have been steadily getting less intelligent over the past 5000 years. The next week we have a researcher telling us every generation is getting more intelligent. Let’s face it. Academics don’t know anything.

  • taylorstein

    Clearly the true results offend the losers and their liberal jellyfish in the pc age otherwise this would not even be a issue. If the results showed whites to be the inferior race intellectually this wouldn’t be an issue either. Is this not why Obama is all for miscegenation and one single brown tan race to even things out? Wouldn’t failed concept this be contrary to the Book and beliefs put together by Constantine 1700 yrs ago? Wasn’t the original single race cleansed off earth and 3 news race created wth the 3rd race cursed for sexual perversion? If this is ignored then clearly there is an attempt to revert back to a single human race since many liberals are claiming there are no races but one single human race to bolster their fantasy. Is Obama and liberals not trying to reduce the white race to a minority using the red race tools and miscegenation?

    Would anyone even be asking this question had the mistake of African black slavery not occurred in the western hemisphere starting around 500 yrs ago that ultimately combined the 3 races into the western hemisphere that ultimately opened to the door to the class struggle idiot named Marx and all hell broke loose? Slavery was never needed in the west and was a crock anyway.

    When will a time machine be invented to return 500 years and erase history to stop African slavery in the western hemisphere? Wouldnt this be the simplest way to correct past mistakes and preserve the 3 races as pure clean and intact as they were for 4000 yrs prior to the founding of the west?

    Sure that sounds like science fiction but thats what they thought before 120 yrs ago about the internal combustion engine or flying machines but many to this day still doubt Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the moon in 1969.
    Einstein has already proven the time warp in space and that time can be altered. Why has Obama cut the funding on new concepts like this? Could it be this would erase his existence since the only way he exists is with the concept of race mixing?

  • This subject appears to raise everyone’s emotions. Most of the comments appear to questions it’s use as a researched topic, which to me means there is a bias towards learning the outcome. If we really want to grow as a planet we must not fear honest researched results. Take facts and learn from them. If we had applied this to other of life’s quandaries we would still believe the world was flat. Research is important for our advancement and one group should not stand in the way of that because they don’t want to hear the results. This simply becomes selfish ideology. I still believe the persecution of Jason Richwine is wrong. We are only dooming ourselves to ignorance and indoctrinating ourselves to believing what makes us feel good if we keep up this path.

  • Just out of curiosity, I would love to see a demographics breakdown of the readership of the Scientific American website. Anyone care to wager on the number of White/Jewish and Asians vs the number of blacks and Hispanics who read, comprehend and contribute to that site?

    Fallacies like ‘race is only a social construct’ should be easy for pseudo intellectuals like John Horgan to prove when the Internet can be considered a great equalizer as far as social and socioeconomic limitations are concerned. Mr. Horgan could do all of us a great service by saving us time and energy by not having to look up all of the great accomplishments and scientific breakthroughs we are experiencing with help from the Africans or Central and South Americans. Please, Mr. Horgan, show us the equality in scientific achievement we Race-ists are too blind to see.

    • Human Natureboy

      “I would love to see a demographics breakdown of the readership of the Scientific American website.”

      They would just blame racism and poverty if more White/Asian/Jews/Indians, etc. read Scientific American than Blacks/Hispanics. They would claim that institutional racism by whites (I guess by Asians, too, because they have even higher test scores) breeds poverty. This poverty leads to less internet access (probably false) and less money to by the paper version of the magazine (if they still print them). There is no winning with these people. They are the best excuse makers in the world.

  • JohnEngelman

    The claims of researchers like Murray, Herrnstein and Richwine could easily become self-fulfilling, by bolstering the confirmation bias of racists and by convincing minority children, their parents and teachers that the children are innately, immutably inferior.

    – John Horgan, Scientific American, May 16, 2013

    Two generations after the civil rights legislation was signed it is pretty obvious,isn’t it? We have spent billions of dollars trying to bring those people up to our standards. The race gap in intellectual achievement is as wide as it ever was.

    • Basketeddie

      Oh, but that is due to racism.

      • JohnEngelman

        It is our fault they are so dangerous and inferior. I am so ashamed.

  • wattylersrevolt

    By many orders of magnitude…the threat that asian legal immigrants pose to America’s Wildlife is way more an important issue than the boring IQ test score psychometric debate. There should be news story after news story posted on AR about how the asian invaders introduced various species of asian snakehead fish into America’s Majestic Rivers setting into motion the complete ecological destabilization of America’s Riparian Ecosystems.

    Two obvious conclusions:the people posting in this thread have very litle connection to America’s Majestic Outddors,Wildlife and Biota. Rock bottom:compared to the ecology preservation issue..for the Native Born White American Geneline…IQ Testing Psychometrics is for intellectual nonentities..Horgan’s main point…and for Spiritual-Moral nonentities…my main point. If you folks here had a very deep Spiritual and Moral connection to America’s Majestic Natural Beauty…you wouldn’t waste a second on a dull-boring IQ test score psychometric debate..for it is 100 percent irrelevant..and irrelevancy is what you folks are plunging mighty deep into…down to the benthic realm of it.

  • JohnEngelman

    Some readers may wonder what I mean by “ban,” so let me spell it out. I envision a federal prohibition against speech or publications supporting racial theories of intelligence. All papers, books and other documents advocating such theories will be burned, deleted or otherwise destroyed. Those who continue espousing such theories either publicly or privately (as determined by monitoring of email, phone calls or other communications) will be detained indefinitely in Guantanamo until or unless a secret tribunal overseen by me says they have expressed sufficient remorse and can be released.

    – The curtain falls. This is what many liberals have wanted to do ever since it became obvious that ending racial discrimination would not achieve racial equality, and ever since it became obvious why it would not.

  • Scott

    “But research on race and intelligence—no matter what its conclusions are—seems to me to have no redeeming value.”

    So it’s better to make policies based on lies. Blow tons of money and get none of the results promised? Pretend everyone is smart and isn’t in med school because of hate, not because some people are brighter than others.

    People want change John, maybe it’s time to make use of the IQ data.

  • Epiminondas

    Here we go again. This same author would gladly support the nonsense about “global warming” on the flimsiest of “evidence”, yet cannot summon the wherewithal to objectively look at the hard research being conducted every day all over the western world in the field of psychographics (IQ studies). This sort of reasoning is shallow and dangerous. If this line of reasoning is allowed to prevail, government sponsored “science” will be the order of the day.

  • Andy

    Is the “clarification” a joke or a serious suggestion?

    • Andy

      Other than the secret tribunal part. I assume that’s a joke.

  • JohnEngelman

    If you click on the original article you will find the same kind of comments that appear here. Gradually the taboos against expressing the truths of race realism are falling away.

  • Juggernaut3000

    For this one article Scientific American should be permanently mocked, shunned and laughed at by anyone who values rational though, research, logic and inquiry, just as the totalitarians mock, shun and laugh at throughly researched IQ studies based on hard facts and all known empirical evidence.

    Tell everyone you know to cancel their subscription to this PC-approved magazine that publishes easily disproved, laughable UN-scientific science-babble.

  • Basketeddie

    I guess what the author is saying is that if the truth is offensive, then damn the truth!!

  • Hal K

    The article does not come across as satire except in the last paragraph. It is difficult to tell what to make of this.

  • Bill Oakham

    I think the author is being satirical here, especially since he practically admits it in his “clarification.”

  • Quick! Someone inform the SPLC that a Klan rally has broken out at Scientific American! Practically all of the editors, writers, contributors and advisers are benefitting from White Skin Privilege, and they need to conform to societal standards(shackles) that the rest of us are subjected to.

    • Laika, The Space Dog

      Hogan may be reporting US to the SPLC and ADL as a sniper’s nest of “White supremacy” yet it looks like the hypocritical Scientific American needs more diversity and multiculturalism on its staff to report under-reported stories about minority Americans who want to read information about themselves from authors who “look just like them.”

      Yep, looks like a racist, white organization that needs to be reported to the EEOC, for overt racial discrimination in hiring and suppression of minority issues. Scientific American must be given a time table and mandated to hire more minorities immediately or face daily punitive fines.

      Good catch, Mr. Time. We shouldn’t be supporting such a supremacist organisation. Everyone: cancel your subscription immediately and tell ’em why.

    • ms_anthro

      Not to nitpick but from the looks of it at least half of them are only “White,” if you catch my drift. Try to contain your surprise.

  • 8uhb

    “I am a hard-core defender of freedom of speech and science. But (I’m not).”
    -John Horgan, Scientific American-

    What is this argument technique called?

    • robinbishop34

      It’s like a introductory psychology class I once took. The book starts off by basically saying that most of Freud’s methods and findings have been thoroughly discredited; but continued to bring up his methods and findings throughout the entire text.

    • nobody

      The term double-speak comes to mind.

  • 8uhb

    “He received a B.A. in English from Columbia University’s School of
    General Studies in 1982 and an M.S. from Columbia’s School of Journalism
    in 1983.”
    http://www.johnhorgan.org/ (opens his biography page)

    Those are the qualifications to be a science journalist. You don’t have need any degree in science or engineering.

    • 8uhb

      “don’t have need” -> “don’t need”

    • Laika, The Space Dog

      Really? Thanks for the info. Yet “Scientific” American sees fit to pass Hogan off as a “scientist.” Guess they couldn’t find a REAL scientist to explain IQ differences between the races, or maybe they’re just PC.
      What a fraud.

  • Ella

    This is an older article that I read from Scientific American. Please read and informative compared to their current PC stance. “Scientific American: Does Race Exist?”

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1023558/posts

    This research used supercomputers to study DNA proteins. “The results of these studies indicate that genetic analysis can distinguish groups of people according to their geographic origin. But caution is warranted. The groups easiest to resolve were those that were widely separated from one another geographically. Such samples maximize the genetic variation among groups.”

    Passing on some information…….that’s what we do.

  • A Reader

    “I see them not as heroes but as bullies, picking on those who are already getting a raw deal in our society.” [quote form the article]

    This “raw deal” is an unproven nonsense.

    Social position of blacks in the US evolved from slaves to parasites. B. Obama would have been ousted by now if he weren’t black. Mexican illegals would have been deported if they were whites, And so on.

    The low-IQ populations got an undeserved reward for their substandard intelligence, yet the author calls it a “raw deal”.

    We are headed towards dark ages of Inquisition, except that these days it’s the Liberal religion and not the Catholic church that try to keep us in total submission to their ideology.

  • Human Natureboy

    This article is very likely not satire. I think it is likely that he added the disclaimer paragraph after he realized how ridiculous the tone of his work was. He wanted you to think the original was satire when it was not. Scary.

    • Jane Johnson

      After reading the original article and following a few links, I think that it very likely IS satire. The author describes himself as a liberal, but after reading more of his work as well as some book reviews that he’s done, I’ve come to the conclusion that a) he hasn’t drunk the kool-aid, and b) he doesn’t take himself too seriously, despite having a Masters Degree in Journalism from Columbia.

      • Human Natureboy

        Then you might want to re-read the article and follow the links again because the original article is very clearly NOT satire. Here’s some material from just one of the links:

        “We don’t like to think IQ is mostly inherited. But we’ve all known families who are smarter than others. Twin and sibling studies, which
        can sort genetic from environmental factors, suggest more than half the
        variation in IQ scores is genetic. A task force report from the American Psychological Association indicates it might be even higher. The report doesn’t conclude that genes explain racial gaps in IQ.”

        Here’s a postscript the man included: “Some clever critics of my post might accuse me of hypocrisy, because these articles present research on race and should be subject to my proposed ban. Obviously I’m trying to eliminate research that reinforces rather than counteracting racism. I mean, Duh.”

        Case Closed. The guy is a lib goose-stepper. He does not have the educational qualifications to do as he proposes, something common with most self-obsessed, narcissistic egalitarians. It amazes me how easily some people are fooled. Ugh.

  • David Ashton

    Why would it disadvantage any decent person of any race in the long run if policies did actually reflect proven innate racial differences rather than ignore or work against them?

  • Mike Lane

    How can this coward call himself a man of science? Is science’s primary purpose not to provide mankind with answers to the world and universe? Sadfully I can’t say I’m surprised. But on the otherhand, we can exploit these quotes and use them in our favor to expose the hypocrisy and illegitimize their voice. Anyone reading this, share this information to all the critical minded people (whatever their political views) you know. We must make information like this go viral.

  • Transpower

    Scientific American has lost all credibility. In fact, much of modern science is illogical and irrational. It is no longer impartial, but Leftist. Most scientists are now employed by government, not the private sector.

  • Bardon Kaldian

    Oh my God, how literal can you get ? It’s irony ….

  • MBlanc46

    At first I thought that it was serious. But the “clarification” and the end can only be read as satire.

  • Frank

    Perhaps an oblique notion might be advanced to prevent such research in nations in
    which the average measured IQ and the average assessed reading comprehension is
    so low that the research would be at undue hazard of being misunderstood. And on
    campuses in the US, we could revert for historical nostalgia to a variation upon the old
    “town crier”—this time a “campus whisperer. ( Somehow I know it can be done).

  • I’m John Horgan, who wrote the column you’re talking about. Are you guys for real? Can people be as dumb as you? No, of course not, you’re pretending to be dumb to make white supremacists look bad, right? Ha ha, funny, you made my day!

    • Bardon Kaldian

      Mr. Horgan, you’re a very good science writer & I enjoyed some of your books. But, judging from your words, as far as race, history & ethnic identity go, you’re simply clueless. Goethe had said about Lord Byron: ” Lord Byron is only great as a poet; as soon as he reflects, he is a child.”

      • David Ashton

        Or as someone said of Adolf Hitler, “He’s not bad as a public speaker, but he’s not much good at baseball.”

    • Nick Gherz

      Your [alleged] article is a little ambiguous;
      The clarification portion seems sarcastic.

      If you would clarify further, it might make for interesting reading.

      • sbuffalonative

        Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcastaball

        • Human Natureboy

          Go with what works.

        • I think sarcasm is wonderful at the proper time and place.

          • sbuffalonative

            I employ sarcasm so I can’t criticize others.
            But as the link I provide to the South Park episode on “Sarcastiball” shows, too much sarcasm can lead to confusion.
            And is a scientific magazine the right place to include such an article with this level of sarcasm?
            This article is a double fail.

    • loyalwhitebriton

      Mr Horgan, just checked your profile and you appear to be the person you say you are – though Lord knows how you managed to find us bunch of “White Supremacists”.
      Just for your information, I don’t want my race to be “Supreme” over any other race.
      I just want to live amongst my own historic race, and the culture that it has evolved over the last 3,500 years. Multiculturalism doesn’t work, isn’t working, and likely will never work.
      Happy-clappy multiculturalism exists only in the febrile imaginations of academics and elitist politicians whose heads are so far up in their ivory towers that one wonders whether they have actually visited planet Earth, let alone lived amongst us. Just saying.

      • Nick Gherz

        I suspect that John Horgan’s ivory tower is segregated;
        Cornelius & Lashondra are nowhere to be found.

      • Human Natureboy

        “Just for your information, I don’t want my race to be “Supreme” over any other race.”

        Unqualified egalitarians often result to strawman arguments and outright lies when their religion is challenged. See, Gould as an example.

    • dubium

      Funny that you are here, then i can answer you directly. You people have a very backward position on stuff. I do not understand your attempts at logic and reasoning.

      But research on race and intelligence—no matter what its conclusions are—seems to me to have no redeeming value. […] Why, given all the world’s problems and needs, would someone choose to investigate this thesis? What good could come of it?

      What good could come of it? To solve problems and fill needs you must UNDERSTAND the problems. The world have a lot of problems, which does not get solved because people like you refuse to discuss aspects of them. Instead you blame problems on things that are not the cause of the problem. How will you solve Haitis problems if you keep blaming their situation on white men on the other side of the world like me? Sure, it probably feels good and fun for you but fact is it does not solve their problems. You have blamed everything in the world on me, for all of my life. None of the problems you blame on me have been solved yet. Actually on the contrary, they have multiplied and become even bigger.

      Case in point, a couple of days ago i read in a swedish newspaper that allergies have doubled in the last ten years. This was explained ONLY by mentioning that children of parents with low education more often got allergies. Nothing else. That might be true by all means, but it is NOT the CAUSE. It is irrelevant if the parents have low or high education. The article did not mention ANY other reason for this. Like immigration, shittier genes both among migrants and natives, chemicals, hygiene (too much or too little)….or whatever it might be because of. Only the “education” which is not even relevant. Older generations in white countries had very little education but they had even less allergies. You can not solve problems by that kind of reasoning.

      Are we really going to base policies on immigration, education and other social programs on allegedly innate racial differences?

      It is only “alleged” as long as the research is not finished. Solution, finish the research. Right?

      Perhaps instead of arguing over the evidence for or against theories linking race and IQ we should see them as simply irrelevant to serious intellectual discourse.

      Instead of arguing you people should shut up and behave like scientists. Arguing has no place in science because either theories are proven or not. Also what you do is hardly “serious intellectual discourse” it is political bullshit.

    • a multiracial individual

      Mr. Hogan,

      I am a non-white contributor to this site. While it is true that many of the people around here are “supremacists,” that is certainly not everyone. What people like yourself fail to realize is that while discouraging the study of IQ and race may provide immediate societal comfort, it is ultimately a losing strategy for developing real solutions to the world’s problems. Imagine if everyone realized that these differences were real (and biological). If you think concentration camps will be coming back I think you are mistaken. All of these alturistic people will start pouring money and resources into developing medical and scientific interventions to closing that gap. They will stop wasting their time on some new social intervention, and instead use science to get to real solutions. None of this will ever be possible if we do not speak honestly in the world.

      • I never liked you much, but when you said we should speak honestly, you just about broke my heart.

        • a multiracial individual

          You L-O-V-E my (dad’s) people, literally.

    • Martel

      Perhaps challenge Jared Taylor to a debate, over phone or skype if you will. Naturally it should be made worthwhile, by ensuring it reaches a larger audience. We can all argue in this chat and in terms of scientific evidence you would come up short, but i believe my suggestion would be a whole lot more interesting.

    • WR_the_realist

      You are not just dumb. You are evil. Evil people try to suppress knowledge that conflicts with their ideology. Scratch the surface of a politically correct leftist and you’ll find a nasty little totalitarian inside. No, you’re not as bad as Lenin or Stalin, but it may be that you simply haven’t had the opportunity. Should we ban research into evolution because it upsets Biblical fundamentalists? Should we ban research into global warming because it upsets people who want cheap gas for their SUVs?

      • IstvanIN

        Mr. Hogan chickened out it seems.

        • 8uhb

          Horgan retreated. He’s a Republican?!

        • Martel

          I was looking forward to some sort of debate…

          His disqus is here:

          http://disqus.com/twitter-586841695/

        • This moderator has good reason to believe that he wasn’t really John Horgan. Otherwise, I would have left his snide comment up.

    • Laika, The Space Dog

      In your OPINION we are “pretending to be dumb.” You say that to shut us up because you can neither accept criticism nor rebut the points we’re making on this thread.

      You did not debate the topic; all you can come up with is personal attacks, harassment and lack of respect as a line of defense. Insult is the last resort of the out-argued.

      Now, if you want to have a REAL debate and look at the FACTS, we’re ready to debate you, but you’ve got to stop with the childish insults and behaviour.

  • smells_just_like

    I just saw one of these disturbing “historic” Affirmative Action Nros playing “professional jockey” by riding on a race horse at the Preakness.

    Where is People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? Shouldn’t they be protesting such vile animal abuse?

    Just like golf, I don’t care who wins, as long as it’s not the historic Nro.

    White privilege is no longer being able to watch golf, tennis, or horse racing without your vision’s assaulted by hideous Diversity.

  • SlyDeNiro

    I think Obama personally announced, and took ownership of, the brain mapping funding–so the scientists ‘remembered what side their bread was buttered on’.

  • IstvanIN

    A scientist who believes research should be stifled is a sad creature indeed.

  • Joe Webb

    if you read the last paragraph, it gives the game away…pure satire. If we knew the author it would be obvious. When he nominates himself as the Grand Inquisitor to look after our souls in Guantanamo until we are sufficiently contrite and rehabilitated….this is the the cheek-sucking key. Pure Satire, and good for “John Horgan” or whomever, the White Man par excellence. thumbs up.

    • Beloved Comrade

      Satire in Scientific American (which used to read in the 80s)?
      I don’t believe it.

    • jane johnson

      I agree, satire for sure. Notice that he doesn’t refute the research, even though “part of him wants to rebut it on scientific grounds”. I think his point is that even if the research were universally accepted as true, how exactly would we procceed

  • lanceman

    Those that think (hope?) this is satire are mistaken. Horgan is NOT a scientist, his degree is in journalism. His piece here is consistent with books he has written in the past. This is not another “Report From Iron Mountain.”

  • crowley

    If it weren’t true there would be no need to ban it.

    • Beloved Comrade

      If Richwine’s premises weren’t true, they would be easy to dispute. Notice none of the mainstream media or elite pundits are able to do, all they have is attack and destroy.

  • Mick

    “Are we really going to base policies on immigration, education and other social programs on allegedly innate racial differences?”

    Sane people would. Instead we explain the race differences by saying whites are racists which leads to attacks against whites. Despite these attacks, I don’t see the author calling for a ban on stating racism exists.

    • IstvanIN

      The problem is people like him seem to escape the crimes and other miseries he wants heaped on us common people. If they suffered from the views they espouse life would be more “fair”.

      • I hate to disagree with you, but I will this time. The problem with wannabe book-burners is that it is not legal to set them on fire.

        We have a houseful of books, and if someone came here wanting to search for books he thought were “bad”, I’d just pepper spray him, hang him in chains in the basement over the floor drain there, and play for several weeks before I allowed him to die.

        Books are wonderful things. Communists are expendable.

        • IstvanIN

          I do not think you are disagreeing with me. Maybe I am not being clear. It seems the people who want us to live in among the blacks and mestizos and think of them as our intellectual and social equals never have to suffer from the chaos these people cause the average person such as ruined schools, towns, etc.

          I agree with you that books are more important than these evil Marxists.

          • Someone who advocates book burnings, secret political tribunals followed by indefinite extra-legal incarceration and brain-washing needs to just be killed. It isn’t “murder” in these cases. Self-defense is always moral.

            Perhaps we could just deport them all to North Korea instead. I’m sure they’ll miss their $7 lattes.

          • IstvanIN

            The North Koreans have enough problems. How about down a volcano?

          • Sounds like a waste of good handcuffs and chain, but we could use cable ties and rope. The notion of making responsible, thinking people into political prisoners over books and thoughts they might or might not have should be anathema to representative government as well as a purportedly “scientific” journal.

            This can not be ignored, but I understand that Horgan doesn’t imagine himself going door-to-door for books; he wants the police to do this for him. His job as some sort of commissar will be to decide precisely which books and which people are “bad”.

      • I’ll try again.

        Given that self-defense is always moral, just what does the moderator think is an appropriate response to someone who would like to ban certain books, burn said books, and then incarcerate their possessors after secret trials for unlimited periods until they are suitably brainwashed?

        Is self-defense moral?

        Is raising one’s own children moral? My daughter not only looks like me, she talks quite a lot like me, just without the deleted expletive invectives, which I am always careful not to use around children or grown women. Is having rooms full of books about history, science, technology and the natural world a good environment for a child, or should Ariadne be put on government-controlled “drip-feed”?

        I’m not a bit sorry about the deleted post, because I have been jailed already, and once someone talks about burning books and imprisoning people for “Thoutcrime”, the gloves come off.

  • obomo the hate whitey man

    did the young coed murdered at hostra yesterday vote for her hope and change??? if she did she got it. obamo is so proud of his sons in their hoodies.

  • Candid

    Help the Invalids, and Intellectual deficits,
    there is no doubt that hominid breeds are distinctily different, as is the chihuahaa and the pit bill,
    negroids are 100 thousand generations behind the caucasoids,
    supremacy is fact, equality is fantasy.

  • Jaego

    This article reminds me of good old Noel Ignatiev. He wasn’t REALLY for White Genocide even though that’s the effect his work created. He made it clear though that that was unfortuanate, not that he was about to change anything of course. Plausible deniability was important to him. It’s almost like he was speaking in code which could be interpreted in different ways by different people and he was in control of that.

    • Bella Abzug wasn’t so into “plausible deniability”.

    • Beloved Comrade

      He IS for White Genocide, and this quote proves it:

      The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.

      — Noel Ignatiev

      How is this not White Genocide?

      He gets paid six figures a year to spew anti-White hate speech.

  • The reasons that Politically Correct idiots want research into this subject banned is because it makes them uncomfortable.

    Boo, hoo, hoo. The Catholic Church was once uncomfortable with Galileo’s heliocentric model of the solar system. Look where that got them: The center of scientific inquiry simply moved to Protestant lands after the schism.

    The notion that research into the connection between race and intelligence should be banned in the United States in particular or the West in general is equally silly; the Chinese and Russians will simply do the work. The US is not the entire world.

    The author of this travesty advocates the burning of books that make him uncomfortable. Will the real fascists please stand up Mr. Horgan?

  • chuck_2012

    whenever legitimate scientific research is subjected to the political correctness test then, in my opinion, its validity is lost. and the same for IQ and the intelligence of immigrants. It should all be held up for scrutiny and let the unwashed masses draw their own conclusions.

  • Jurameita

    In response to the story, with book burning, imprisonment, etc, think Stalins Soviet Union or Hitlers Germany. The author is either a commie or a nazi! One is as bad as the other and are interchangeable anyway.

  • Chas No

    Is John Horgan an Obama speechwriter wannabe? I think so.

  • JohnCabel

    This research will not stop in China, India, Russia or Israel. Richard Lynn is a prophet. Better get Rosetta Stone Mandarin version fast!

  • joemcgee

    It’s no big deal if race research is banned or not. Everybody can see with the naked eye what is going on with black people, no matter how hard anyone tries to cover it up. I wonder anymore if blacks may just disappear at some point. It seems they’re running towards their own destruction. I’d think the powers that be will decide to do away with them and the technilogical knowhow will be in place to make it happen.

    • IstvanIN

      They breed too fast. And since we feed, house and clothe them, provide them with medical care, they won’t disappear before us.

      • joemcgee

        Yes, but the qulity of what they produce is not good and at some point, they just may not be worth keeping around.

  • Ella

    In response to John Horgan’s writings, boycott un-Scientific American and put our action into their lost profits. As a typical Lib, he had to call people “names” at the beginning and still offered nothing but sarcasm. It’s the researcher’s reputation at risk if they want to research the old, IQ debate.

    I think the major point has been lost here. We don’t want to pay for any illegals regardless of their IQ– low or high. Libs don’t care we have a 17 trillion debt and live in expanding, overcrowded cities. (Quality of life and products/services deteriorate.) The Govt. created resource wars by establishing two factions: one pays and the latter receives “pro-bono” funded by tax-payers or debt. Citizens are the old paying customers who gets the “true bill.” No one dares speak about the IMMORALITY of the illegal who broke our laws and cheat the tax-payer to increase their wealth base. We don’t need research to identify political corruption and theft. Illegals are not the same as refugees.

  • Lygeia

    You ignore reality at your own peril.

  • Dave4088

    John Horgan is advocating the suppression of all findings that contradict the equalitarian, neo-lysenkoist beliefs of the ultra left wing elites. Is this America or the Soviet Union?

    • David Ashton

      Marxism and its derivatives, which once dominated the Soviet empire, has now moved into leading positions in north American academe, especially “social studies”. The evidence is all there for everyone (other than John Engelman) to observe.

  • I would really like my ex-father, James Floyd Scott to participate in this discussion. He graduated from Harvard and has lived in many allegedly civilized places.

    What would this wife-beater, child-beater and cop-caller say? He prided himself on telling his fellows at the University of Colorado physics department on how flipping stupid they were, and then regaled himself at the dinner table over the same.

  • Ralph

    We should try to find out everything we can find out about everything. Sacred cows do us no good.

    And, by the way, cancel my sub to Scientific American. It has now shown itself to be anti-science.

  • john stone

    as white males our real enemies are white females for it was their vote that put an anti-white racist black in the white house.

    • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

      Romney won 56 percent of the vote of white women. Romney didn’t have a problem with women. He had a problem with non-whites, women and men. While Obama was capturing only 42 percent of the vote of white women, he took 96 percent of the vote of black women and 76 percent of vote of Hispanic women.

    • Ella

      White women also tend to vote like their husbands. Why should we cancel each others votes out? Romney did NOT appeal to single White or minority women with children due to 20K welfare entitlements. Again I mentioned before that minorities have the highest unmarried status for having babies: Hispanics 55% babies; Blacks 75%. (Whites 28% if curious) The less people marry and remain in single households with children, it costs the tax payers more monies and votes.

      Voters should be required to have land or pay full rent (no welfare subsidies) before voting. Women voted since 1920 and we had many Republicans in office since then so minority mostly and single women households are currently increasing.

  • Funruffian

    Within 2 paragraphs of reading this liberally slanted ad hominem rant I was almost certain it was female. I find out it’s a male who is ignorant of facts and science and is afraid the truth will spill out about the Blacks. Well. he needn’t worry, because most people already know. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out the collective IQ of the Negro.
    All these idiots decry ‘racial bias’ and other name-calling jibes. They sink pretty low and are unable to simply win an argument as Jared Taylor often says.
    Simple observations of Black people in moments of crisis, in educational settings, arrests, crimes, workplaces and just casual interactions is enough experential evidence to come to our conclusions. We don’t really need science, but we have it and it’s proof positive.

  • 48224

    Race based IQ should be banned.
    Also, the world is flat, mental illness is caused by evil spirits and the earth is the center of the universe.

  • Spartacus

    Sadly, mentally ill people like this guy wield a lot of power in today’s society… I’m afraid armed revolution is probably the only way out of this mess we’re in.

  • Fishrrman

    “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

    – George Orwell

  • Patrick Boyle

    No one will read this far down but I will comment anyway – Scientific American stopped being American in 1986.

    It is presently run out of Stuttgart and has a strong political bias. Prior to 1986 it concerned itself with science issues. Since then it has crusaded for leftist agenda issues like global warming. I cancelled my subscription. You should too.

    • WR_the_realist

      There is a good deal of evidence for global warming, although there is some contrary evidence as well. Although I believe that the bulk of the evidence does show that global warming will become an increasing severe problem over the next century, there is stronger and more unequivocal evidence for real and persistent differences in IQ among different human groups.

  • Joe Mack

    Liberals manage to prove over and over their seething hatred for the constitution, for freedom, for free speech, and for almost all of the founding principles that created America.

    And sadly they really think they are the most tolerant!

    • Ella

      Liberals want to control us (power hungry) and call it “freedom.” It’s the only way they can force their utopian ideas onto us, which fail ultimately at the end. Conservatives have always represented a real threat to most governments. We want “small” govt., work for less corruption, and have means to uphold laws (including immigration).

  • My 2.5 minute video response to John Horgan and Scientific American

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoWbriWaV4Q

    • David Ashton

      Brilliant. We must be grateful for this kind of response.

  • Jared, this is for you. I just found the info in a Russian source and translated. Could you recommend a read more on the topic?

    Authoritative French anthropologist
    Paul
    Topinard fortunate enough to work
    in the sane times, so he could afford to present scientific truth
    without any regard to the current political inquisition.

    “Egyptian Mamluks for 560 years had no children of their own
    wives, who they were bringing from Georgia, and had never been able
    to give a strong posterity in the Nile Valley. Moreover, it appears
    that in the former Portuguese colony of Macau mestizos of Chinese and
    Portuguese did not survive, and in the former Dutch colony on the
    island of Java mestizo Malays and the Dutch in the third generation
    staunchly reproduce only infertile girls. All mestizos, which
    appeared in Africa from the marriage between the Dutch and the
    Hottentots, either died out, or returned to the original African
    racial type. In the southern states of the U.S. and in the Latin
    America has long been noted that the representatives of the North
    Caucasian type when crossed with blacks give mostly infertile
    offsprings in the first and second generations,”- stated in his
    monograph “Anthropology” Paul Topinard.

    Stirred into interracial marriages Italy today is the European
    leader in the number of infertile women. It is no coincidence, that
    Italy is the second mass adoptions country from Russia after the
    United States. And the U.S. leadership in this list is also not by
    chance …

    • David Ashton

      Early anthropologists thought that wide out-crossing would result in later infertility (the “mule” theory) and in some cases this may happen. More likely, out-breeding depression affects the fitness of human generations in terms of general health, but not fecundity (which may be “nature’s way” of overcompensating). The problem is that there has been hardly any objective and thorough research into the biology of racial integration – for the past 50 years!

  • Ash Williams

    “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites…”

    Richwine should be more specific here, he’s talking about mestizos, not “Hispanics.” Hispanics, referring to the people who live in South and Central America, the vast majority of whom are a triracial blend of Southern European males and native Amerindian females, with a sprinkling of black African slave ancestry are not going to be on par with North America and Europe, ever.

    The only way some of them would be on par or close to it is if they are wholly of European ancestry, which would be a very small minority of them, mostly those of more recent European immigration to South America.

    • casimcea

      Who “IS” the Hispanics? This is the problem with the collective nouns. The Hispanics, democrats, Jews, gays…take your pick. Just because Mozart was a great composer, does not make ALL the Germans great composers, OR blood thirsty tyrants like Hitler. (Granted, Hitler was Austrian, but that is splitting hairs)

  • Mrfinoni

    The research matters because there are measurable quantifiable differences between different populations of people. Historically of course there are innumerable examples of immigrants and their descendants profiting from the American/Western educational system to advance both themselves and their families. However, not all whites are created equal as the educational system is set up for students to enter college, community college, trades or the workplace. If there are huge minority populations with observable measurable lower IQ scores it is immoral to expect them to compete with European or Caucasian people. Why do the liberal descendants of people who fought against fascism and Nazism assume the worst of White people today?

    • Ella

      We’re the largest group as Middle Class (63%) and have more wealth combined, just under the 2% elite. So, we’re educated and have some monies to fight against their corruption if we will too in the future. They STILL FEAR us because they can only push us so far until we give a reaction back.

  • aandrews

    http://bloggingheads.tv/programs/current/science-faction

    Odds are the Richwine thing will be the next topic for discussion (or Horgan is a complete and total eunuch…which could be the case).

    I encourage everyone to pay attention and show up with their reaming devices if that does indeed transpire.

  • Fox

    You’ve got to be kidding me. Any study on race and intelligence should be banned because it has no value, yet we can study the size of bird penises for infertility due to “Global Warming”. Amazing how a once-reputable scientific organization denies racial differences.

    “I am a hardcore defender of freedom and science” – Yet you just said there’s no value to this “science”. That is defeatism. Practice what you preach. You should support studies into race and IQ.

    Flynn is a psychologist, not a geneticist, and it amazes me how his “theory” gets traction. If nurture raised IQs, than blacks in American should be on par with whites. Yet they are not. And evidence proves that IQ is largely genetic, so any amount of nurturing won’t change that.

    If this is satire, I’d say this is either sardonic humour or terribly ironic. I don’t know. I guess the true hilarity is that Scientific American is really a pop-culture magazine and not a journal.

  • casimcea

    Mr Horgan, I don’t quite grasp the concept of banning anything in the area of free speech (save for the FIRE !! in the theater). If you don’t want to do the research, there is nothing to force you to do it. Conversely, if you want to, go ahead. Funding the research is a different matter.