Love Thy Stranger as Thyself

Molly Worthen, New York Times, May 11, 2013

Immigration reform is not a liberal idea. It is good, old-fashioned conservative policy—at least that’s what its supporters want the Republican faithful to believe.

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Some of the most enthusiastic endorsements of the new immigration bill have come from traditional evangelicals, who insist that reform “respects the God-given dignity of every person.” Richard Land, a Southern Baptist leader who was among the 300 evangelicals who went to Washington last month for “a day of prayer and action for immigration reform,” said that once Republicans toned down their anti-immigrant rhetoric, Latino voters would follow.

“They’re social conservatives, hard-wired to be pro-family, religious and entrepreneurial,” he told me. Mr. Land pointed to Senator Marco Rubio as the face of this “new conservative coalition.”

“Let the Democrats be the party of dependency and ever lower expectations,” Mr. Land added. “The Republicans will be the party of aspiration and opportunity—and who better to lead the way than the son of Cuban immigrants?”

The Christian right may be too optimistic about any change in the political sympathies of Latinos. Increasing numbers tell pollsters they favor same-sex marriage, for example. But the real surprise is that evangelicals may be wrong about the unyielding conservatism of their own movement.

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For much of American history, most white Protestants shared in the belief that immigrants were vectors of anti-democratic viruses like Catholicism, anarchism and Bolshevism. Although by the 1950s liberal mainline Protestants had come around to the idea of relaxing immigration restrictions, the conservative National Association of Evangelicals opposed the liberalizing reform act of 1965, fearing “infiltration by influences subversive of the American way of life.”

Today, the culture wars and the constant skirmishes over the size and scope of the welfare state have convinced conservatives that the country’s direst enemies are not “subversive” foreigners, but homegrown liberals.

International experience has connected more American evangelicals to Christians living in immigrant-sending countries, and they now view them as ideological allies. Organizations ranging from Focus on the Family to Anglican splinter churches have been building relationships in the global south for decades. They have come to see Latin Americans and Africans as defenders of traditional gender roles and Christian civilization.

“We have a very positive ‘immigration problem’ in this country, in that the Latino community coming in, both legally and illegally, generally possesses a value system that is compatible with America’s value system,” Jim Daly, president of Focus on the Family, told me.

It’s true that Latino Americans tend to be religious (according to Gallup, 54 percent are Catholic and 28 percent are Protestant). However, even those at the forefront of collaboration with white evangelicals stress that important differences remain. Jesse Miranda is a Pentecostal who founded a national organization for Latino Protestants, Alianza de Ministerios Evangélicos Nacionales (AMEN), in 1992. “We used the term ‘evangélico’ when I founded AMEN, and said we won’t use the word ‘evangelical’ so the media won’t identify us with our white brethren,” he said.

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{snip} For a Christian, the question of whether an undocumented immigrant is a criminal or a victim trapped in an unjust system depends on how one thinks about sin and human responsibility.

A century ago, preachers of the “Social Gospel” argued that sin was not only a matter of personal depravity: it was also a social problem. Our society, built by flawed human beings, is full of institutionalized sin, of greed and cruelty cemented in the structures that govern our lives.

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Conservative evangelicals decried Social Gospelers as liberals who replaced soul-winning with social work—or worse, socialism. They stressed personal responsibility and argued that genuine social change could come only through converting one sinner at a time to Christ.

Latino Protestants may share the core doctrines of white evangelicals, but not the fusion of Christianity and libertarianism that has come to pervade the right, perhaps in part because they have intimate experience with the inequalities ingrained in American institutions.

They have left their forefathers’ faith, but they tend to retain the common Catholic conviction that being “pro-life” requires combating social injustice and reining in capitalism when necessary. In 2011 the polling organization Latino Decisions found that although Latinos are committed to the American ideal of self-sufficiency and hard work, most don’t believe the free market can solve all problems. “Minority citizens prefer a more energetic government, by large and statistically significant margins,” wrote the organization’s researchers Gary Segura and Shaun Bowler. In 2012, 71 percent of Latinos voted for President Obama.

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White evangelical leaders are loudly rejecting the xenophobia of their ancestors, though most still cherish that old libertarian creed. It is the political counterpart to an evangelical faith that reacted against the Social Gospelers by becoming even more radically individualistic, centering on a person’s private relationship with Jesus.

There are signs that evangelicals’ softening on immigration reform reflects a changing theology of sin and Christian obligation: a growing appreciation of how unjust social and legal institutions and the brutality of global capitalism trap the world’s tired, poor, huddled masses. {snip}

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Opponents of reform doubt that leaders who support the immigration bill speak for anyone other than themselves. Mark Tooley, the president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, has noticed a shift to the left among evangelical elites, and it worries him. “But it’s mostly limited, confined to those coming out of colleges and universities and working for relief groups, those who are more actively involved in advocacy issues and public policy issues, whereas the more typical evangelical living in the Midwest somewhere and working at Walmart, in a mainstream American situation, is not all that different from previous generations,” he said.

Indeed, evangelical elites have a rosier view of immigrants than do the Republican rank and file. According to a recent Pew Research Center study, 55 percent of Republicans view immigrants as a “burden because they take jobs, housing, and health care.”

“Leaders are usually ahead of the laity—that’s called leadership,” Richard Land said. “But the gap is closing.”

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  • People like Richard Land (Reverend, Father, Pastor, Brother????) are perhaps the reason why we have that other article on Amren today.
    The one about declining Christianity?

    • Morris LeChat

      yes, idiocracy replaced theocracy in the Christian religion

      • Why should a normal white man support a religion that is working for his destruction?

    • OlderWoman

      Richard Land is a Baptist. He was fired from his radio program for speaking some truths about Treyvon Martin.

      • bebe

        Richard Land is also anti-White and caters to NONwhites. The Baptist Church is going over the cliff as most Christian churches are today. They have been preaching the wrong message for far too long and have become so colorblind that they fit that saying, “The Road To Hell Is paved With Good Intentions. They sure have proved that saying right. I have a “Church” on the net that I “attend” and at least I get a healthy dose of White Christianity.

        http://faithandheritage.com/

        http://cambriawillnotyield.blogspot.com/

    • Dr. X

      This is Marxism, not Christianity. It’s a total distortion of Christianity. Christianity requires that one should “love thy neighbor” and render unto him assistance who is in need. But that is the job of the individual and of the Church, not the government. Historically these Christian tasks were performed by missionaries and charities traveling to foreign countries to perform works of mercy, not by allowing criminals and welfare cheats in to ruin your own country. Nowhere does Christianity require that the government let foreigners invade your country and demand your tax dollars and affirmative-action preferences. Christians who mistakenly claim that their religion requires support for amnesty for illegals ought to re-read St. Augustine and reacquaint themselves with the difference between the “City of God” and the “City of Man.”

      • Bossman

        An elected government usually reflects the views of the majority of its citizens and that ought to be respected.

  • JustaWhiteMom

    Tyrants usually impose their will on the people – that’s called tyranny.

  • Rhialto

    Didn’t Christ Jesus speak of giving your property to the poor, not other peoples? Just a thought from a non-theologian!

    Also I link if the attitudes of these immigrant worshipping preachers with the article Christianity Declining 50 Percent faster than Thought–As One in 10 Under-25s Is a Muslim in today’s selection. Why should a normal white man support a religion that is working for his destruction?

    • Bill

      Why should a white man support a GOVERNMENT that is working for his destruction? He shouldn’t. And the time is coming, I think, when things will get bad enough that he not only won’t support it, he will engage in the remedies of 1775-1782.

      • Charles Edward Lincoln III

        The nature and technology of armed conflict in general, police work, and warfare dictate that individuals like our Founding Fathers will never again be able to raise militias and armies. Whole divisions of the standing army (the one about which George Washington warned us) would have to rise up in any future American Revolution. The conservative population is divided along so many ridiculous fault lines…. how could there ever be an armed insurrection against the government that enacted NDAA and uses drones? Where are the Second Amendment protesters who ought to be demanding the individual right to keep armed drones and antitank guns? I guess they’re thinking that if they pooled all their assault rifles and sold them to Chechen insurgents for premium prices, they couldn’t make the first downpayment on the tools that the US government has to use against us, on a single whisk of President Obama’s pen declaring every one of to be terrorists…. So even if the time is coming fast when “some of us” may think things are “bad enough that …..[w]e will engage in the remedies of 1775-1782,” we have to remember that the last group of Americans who felt the way we do lost half a million lives, fortunes and sacred honors in 1861-1865, the scales between North and South were a lot more even back then than they are now…. We need to think creatively. We need to think of ways to turn the system against itself, if we are ever to have any realistic chance of change. We need to think about creating economic and political alliances and blocks before we can ever think of armed resistance to a government which has enough space in FEMA camps already allocated to lock us all up…. ourselves and our posterity….

        • Nathanwartooth

          If low IQ, poorly trained rebels in Iraq and Afghanistan beat the American military, I think we have a fighting chance.

          Don’t forget, the US would go bankrupt fighting it’s people. Also a good portion of the military would defect, taking anything they can with them.

          This is obviously a last resort and I would never want it to come to that, but if it did it wouldn’t be a guaranteed victory for the government.

          • NYB

            The American military officer corps has a duty of loyalty to the people and the constitution.

            For now, they are obedient to the government which is avoiding default by printing $85 billion a month in funny money.

            When Rome couldn’t pay the Legions, the Legions found new causes. Our officers and soldiers have one.

          • Bossman

            It is not funny money as long as the whole world wants it and honors it. The American Dollar is still supreme and foreigners will do anything to have more of it.

          • Charles Edward Lincoln III

            In Iraq, as in Vietnam, and before that in Korea….have we ever run the race as if to win? Or have we always (since “winning” World Wars I and II) fought just hard enough that we can offend the natives so that the war can be ongoing and eternal, just as Orwell predicted in 1984? I’m glad you think that the US Government “wouldn’t be guaranteed victory” but, given that that’s the most optimistic appraisal I’ve heard in a while…… I remain pessimistic and ask you this:

            Did Dominique Venner (Frater Noster, Ave Atque Vale) really prove anything by blowing his brains out in Notre Dame? If we, like the legendary lemmings, go off of the cliff into a suicidal charge against the Brave New World, are we doing any better than committing suicide? After all, “suicide attempts don’t always result in death, sometimes just in severe brain damage.”

            http://charleslincoln3.com

      • dean53

        The time is long past when white men should have engaged in the remedies of 1775-1782. The Supreme Court has outlawed white racial solidarity; and white men have refused to exercise the few resistance options available, peaceful or otherwise, other than moving away. White men should have abolished public education 50 years ago when schools were forcibly integrated, but they didn’t. White men voted to repeal laws against miscegenation and have been intermarrying ever since — long after they were interbreeding & foisting their emotionally disturbed mulatto offspring on the rest of us. White men should have risen up with arms against Detroit; instead, they moved away. Now most white men are too scared to even speak or write against tyranny, let alone pull a trigger. Most white women shun the few white men who are brave enough to do so. Instead the vast majority of all whites (1.) keep quiet; (2.) try as best they can to restrict their interactions to a white world; (3.) move away; or (4.) curry favor with their oppressors by attacking their own people. Quislings such as Chris Matthews, Jay Carney, Robert Gibbs and Bill Clinton come to mind — white men who kiss @ss to power to advance their own careers and oppress their fellow whites. Sorry, I don’t see white man rising again — at least not until after an apocalyptic demise when they emerge from the ashes and rebuild as a mono-racial tribe.

        • Bill

          You are too pessimistic by far. White men did not repeal laws such as you mentioned. Politicians did. We had politicians in colonial times who were corrupt and loyal to the crown too, victimizing Americans. We had crown courts which were corrupt and staffed with those loyal to the crown. We had Americans collecting the taxes and the tarrifs, too. When it got intolerable, they were tarred, feathered, and run out of town. The elite requested the King send troops and he did. That only infuriated Americans more. Finally, when the King ordered the crown troops to seize arms and powder, and arrest the leaders of the opposition, Lexington and Concord happened, Americans came out of the farms, villages, and towns and surrounded Boston. WHITE Americans did that. WHITE Americans have many whom have served in military and war, and even in elite units. Whites have many people in national guards composed of neighbors who know how to fly helicopters, jets, drive tanks, etc and that equipment is lagered near their homes. There are many, many more whites with military training no longer on active or inactive duty. They have not lost their skills or their training. IF, as you say, American Whites are too scared and lazy to fight when tyranny comes to their door, but as you say Afghans ARE, then you are saying White Americans – who are far more intelligent and just as determined to defend their homeland, aren’t as good as a sand groid. And that just isn’t so.

    • Morris LeChat

      Didn’t he worn about the Devil quoting scripture? Why do people doubt that the devil can be a church official?

      • Bossman

        Nothing wrong with the Devil quoting scriptures as long as he is quoting correctly. It is up to you to decide what is morally right and morally wrong.
        The Bible is all about Social Justice, Wisdom and Understanding, Love and Peace.

        • rightrightright

          The Bible is about God.

          • Bossman

            Yea, the Bible is about God and those human attributes such as Justice and Mercy, Wisdom and Understanding are the great emanations from the divine that upholds the tree of life.

          • Bill

            You really ARE clueless. It is NOT about HUMAN love, justice and mercy. It is about GOD’S justice and mercy. You sound like just another secular humanist who only knows enough about God to pervert His entire message and seem to have a very inflated idea of how “good” MAN is, when he is NOT.

          • Bossman

            OK, so you are not good and not wise so you should shut up. Your ideas are of no consequence.

          • bebe

            Your ideas are of no consequence.
            ———–

            Like yours are? You are so far off base it is pathetic.

            Get behind me Satan….

          • bluffcreek1967

            The Bible is the redemptive history of God’s salvation of sinful and unworthy humans through His only Son, Jesus Christ, who assuaged the wrath of God on their behalf due to his suffering and death on the cross. It’s primary message is centered on Christ and what he did on behalf of sinners.

            All those who place their faith in Christ alone, apart from any human boasting or self-righteousness, relying solely on the merits of Jesus, will be saved from eternal wrath. Men are justified (declared righteous before God) based on faith alone apart from works. Once they are made new in Christ, their life will begin to evidence righteousness and good deeds. Genuine conversion results in good deeds, but good deeds by themselves do not result in conversion.

          • bebe

            The Bible is about the generations of Adam and Eve, period.Look up generations as it is meant in the Bible. It is ONE race of people that came from Adam and Eve, not other races. Noah was chosen because he was PURE in his GENERATION, meaning bloodline.

        • Bad_Mr_Frosty

          You used the words “bible” and “social justice” in the same sentence. Marxist.

          • Bossman

            Justice and Mercy, Wisdom and Understanding are the most common words to be found in the Bible. In fact, those words are the pillars upon which the Bible rests.

          • [Guest]

            Does the Bible instruct Americans—whether Christian or not—to leave the southern border open to everyone who wishes to enter the country? Does it instruct Americans to officially welcome those who’ve already entered illegally?

          • bluffcreek1967

            No, no it doesn’t. The Bible nowhere requires any race or ethnicity to give up its unique culture and way of life in order to accommodate foreign groups of people in its own land. Any nation that’s stupid enough to allow unchecked mass immigration gets what it deserves, but immigration is not required or mandated in the Bible.

          • [Guest]

            That’s about the way I see it as well. Thank you for responding.

            I’ll add that, contrary to what I so often see, division, separation, and segregation are much more common themes in the Bible than the references to unity we hear so much about from today’s mouths.

            “Can’t we all just get along!?”

            No.

          • Bill

            No dummy. God, Lord, Savior, and other terms for God are the most common words in the bible, and the bible is about HIS justice, mercy, wisdom and understanding. You don’t get it do you? And not getting it, please leave off telling US what it is.

          • OlderWoman

            “Bible” and “Social Justice” are diametrically opposed to each other.

        • Bill

          The devil never quotes scripture “correctly”. He quotes it out of context and in a twisted way to mean exactly the opposite of God’s word. The Bible is not “all about social justice, wisdom and understanding, love and peace.” It is about GOD, who he is, and how he deals with His creation. Get a clue about it before you quote social gospel around HERE please.

        • bebe

          If there was any social justice whatsoever you would be long gone.

          Oh, btw, start by quoting the TRUTH in context or is that too complex for you?

          And btw, Jesus is coming with a SWORD, not “love and understanding” for the likes of Land and yourself.

  • The__Bobster

    “Let the Democrats be the party of dependency and ever lower expectations,” Mr. Land added. “The Republicans will be the party of aspiration and opportunity—and who better to lead the way than the son of Cuban immigrants?”
    _________

    Mr. Land must be delusional. Or maybe he’s just a liar who wants to fill his pews with brown faces.

    Given a choice between big government with free handouts or hard work, Mestizos will usually choose the former.

    • Bossman

      I’ll say it again, the simple people crossing the southern border without inspection are not real Mestizos; they are mostly Indians. Indians believe that America is their continent and so therefore they have a right to roam across it. Real Mestizos are very attractive people who go on to win Miss Universe contests and become the elites of their Latin American societies.

      • Bad_Mr_Frosty

        Wrong. Spaniards, White men and women with very little Native American blood are the elites of Mexican society. Mestizos are only slightly smarter and less criminal than Amerindians.

        • Bossman

          Latin America is becoming more and more of a Mestizo continent. The Spaniards are not able to resist the charms of the Mestizas and hence are disappearing.

  • Bill

    It’s IMpastors like this that not only drive people out of churches and keep them from coming in the first place, it’s IMpastors like this whom have signed their souls over to satan and try to do his works calling it “faith”. Bah. He’s just another treasonous viper trying to fill his pews and his plates. Somebody give him a clue: the mestizos DON’T donate. They are sending their money back to Mexico. Dumba**

    • OlderWoman

      Remember that his Baptist Church elected a black President called Fred Luter. They’re kow-towing to the black race.

  • The__Bobster

    Bolshevism. Although by the 1950s liberal mainline Protestants had come around to the idea of relaxing immigration restrictions, the conservative National Association of Evangelicals opposed the liberalizing reform act of 1965, fearing “infiltration by influences subversive of the American way of life.”
    __________

    We all know that the tribe was behind the brown flood we are now experiencing. Traditional Americans have always opposed immigration.

  • josh

    what an ass-hat he is! F*ck him he doesnt speak for me,nor for God!!

  • The__Bobster

    They have left their forefathers’ faith, but they tend to retain the common Catholic conviction that being “pro-life” requires combating social injustice and reining in capitalism when necessary.
    ________

    “Pro-life” Mestizos? Their abortion rate approaches that of the Bantus.

    • IstvanIN

      Not to mention their illegitimacy rate, propensity for domestic abuse, alcoholism, and child abuse.

      • bigone4u

        You forgot incest and pedophilia.

        • IstvanIN

          I include those under child abuse.

          • bigone4u

            Gotcha. I was thinking in terms of beatings, which are common as well.

    • Seek

      When it comes to population, in the eyes of evangelicals, more always means better. And to speak of the quality of immigrants is “racist.” These fake “pro-family” conservatives are every bit as bad as the Left.

  • Immigration reform is not a liberal idea. It is good, old-fashioned
    conservative policy—at least that’s what its supporters want the
    Republican faithful to believe….“They’re social conservatives, hard-wired to be pro-family, religious
    and entrepreneurial,” he told me. Mr. Land pointed to Senator Marco
    Rubio as the face of this “new conservative coalition.”

    Ironically, the same forces prodding conservative Christians to be for amnesty and open borders “because Hispanics are natural social conservatives” are the same ones that want the Republican Party to dump the social conservative issues.

  • I spend some time reading and studying the Bible. If a person
    wanted to become a citizen of Israel there were some things they were
    required to do. They were not allowed to bring their religion,
    idols, culture, etc., into Israel. They were required to assimilate
    into Israelite society, with all the laws as with any other person.
    Everyone had one law.

    Ruth was a Moabite and Moab was a traditional enemy of Israel. She
    wanted to stay with her mother-in-law so she made the decision to go
    to Israel with her mother-in-law and accept the God of Israel and all
    which goes with that.

    Ruth 1:15
    ”And she said, Behold, thy sister in law is gone back unto her
    people, and unto her gods: return thou after thy sister in law. 16And
    Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from
    following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where
    thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and
    thy God my God:“

    And along with that, it
    just doesn’t make sense to import your enemy and support them with
    their enemies money. It takes a twisted mind to focua in on the idea
    that these people with all their strange gods are good for this
    country. I’m very convinced that we don’t need them to prop up
    anything as we are being told, “We need them in order to do the
    jobs our present citizens won’t do. Hogwash!

    Issuing a worker permit
    to farm workers etc. is about as far as I’m willing to go!

    • David Ashton

      It took several generations before they were fully accepted.

  • George White

    Richard Land is too stupid to live. Latinos will NEVER vote GOP. If this amnesty goes though, the GOP is dead. I don’t believe that Richard Land has two brain cells to rub together.

    • IstvanIN

      Personally I could not care less if the GOP survives, I just want my people to survive.

  • Charles W.

    Christ: “You should give.”

    Liberals: “Christ told you to give, so we’re going to TAKE (your land, money, jobs) and give to who we think deserves it.”

  • Vanessa

    I keep asking these dwl’s “WHY replace native White americans with alien foreigners?” I guess they would say b/c they are entrepreneurial and hate abortion. So by implication white people are not capable of being entrepreneurial? Why won’t these dwl’s sell their homes at below market value to immigrants if they want them here so bad?

  • Sick of it

    1. We might be able to love immigrants, except they are busy robbing, raping and killing us at every opportunity.

    2. Not sure how the replacement of the American population with Latin Americans is moral or conservative.

    3. Books were written over 400 years ago about how immoral the Catholic Latins are in their daily lives.

    4. Why would Republicans want more Democrats?

    • Eagle_Eyed

      The great thing about borders is it allows different groups of people (known as nations) to live peacefully as seperate, sovereign groups. It has been this way since Babel. Any so-called Christian who promotes open borders is pushing an agenda which disrupts social unity and therefore hinders the gospel message.

      • IstvanIN

        That is a wonderfully simple, clear and concise way to put it!

      • Bossman

        The Gospel message is about brotherly and sisterly love for all those who accept the message of the Anointed One.

        • bebe

          Hey, troll, nonwhite races are NOT our brothers and sisters and “love” is not demanded from God to those other races. You along with many others, do not even begin to know how to understand the Bible so give it up.

    • Martel

      Which books discuss the third point you made?

  • IstvanIN

    “Leaders are usually ahead of the laity—that’s called leadership,” Our so-called leaders are leading us off the cliff, therefore I should be a lemming?

  • Kathy M

    I dont believe a word of this tripe. Consider the source — Molly at th NY Times!
    Richie boy Land is a different story. He’s turned into MexCain overnight. What’s in it for him? Follow the money. Just follow the money….

    I expect the rank and file will get a gut full of him real soon notwithstanding the misleading subtitle for this piece.

    • Bobby

      Boom!!! Right on Kathy M. You said it all.

  • jeffaral

    Now it’s official; White American Christians are mentally retarded. Send them all to the madhouse!.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      Actually the ONLY demographic which by and large supports strict immigration policies is white conservative Christians.

      The so-called leaders above don’t represent Christians or evangelicals–in fact most of us have never heard of these cowards.

    • [Guest]

      Such comments would certainly send a ripple of laughter and nods of approval through the crowds of invaders who’re fundamentally transforming this once predominately white Christian nation.

  • bigone4u

    So God gave Israel to the Jews, but he gave the USA to everyone, according to these “Christian” idiotards. Why should the Jews have a country, but not whites?

    • Jackryanvb

      God is giving the Pacific North West to Whites.

      White Zionism

      Www dot northwestfront dot org

  • Bobby

    I’ve asked this before, WHY DON’T AMERICANS SIMPLY TELL THEIR ELECTED REPS TO TURN OVER THE COUNTRY TO MEXICO? Americans know they are being sold short, if not sold out, by the people they elected them and the silence from them is deafening.

    • Bossman

      The long-term solution will have to be North American integration.

      • rightrightright

        Babel. That didn’t end so well. The long-term solution is for black/brown states to get their own civilisational houses in order so that they can live in them, instead of living in ours.

  • White Mom in WDC

    Look out for número UNO. You can love a stranger from afar. Does not mean you have to take the stranger in and clothe and feed them at the expense of your quality of life.

    Charity begins at home

  • WR_the_realist

    Where in the New Testament does it say that it’s okay to break a country’s immigration laws? There’s a reason Christianity is in decline — the priests and ministers don’t believe in it anymore so have replaced salvation through Jesus Christ with anti-white “social justice”.

    • Bossman

      It doesn’t say anything about that because there were no immigration laws in those ancient times. Immigration rules began only in the late 18th century. Even in the 19th century most people could go wherever they like, especially if they were white.

      • Bad_Mr_Frosty

        Do you just say whatever you want without thinking or doing any research?

        • Bossman

          Prove to me that I’m not right.

          • bebe

            Posters here at done that numerous times, yet you act all innocent because you absolutely know nothing and only want to spread your own lies, troll.

      • [Guest]

        Are there any national borders mentioned in the Bible? If so, are they generally to be observed or ignored?

        By the way, following is what the Bible says concerning the borders of one of the twelve tribes. These are borders WITHIN the nation, which itself had borders.

        This then was the lot of the tribe of the children of Judah by their families; even to the border of Edom the wilderness of Zin southward was the uttermost part of the south coast. And their south border was from the shore of the salt sea, from the bay that looketh southward: And it went out to the south side to Maaleh-acrabbim, and passed along to Zin, and ascended up on the south side unto Kadesh-barnea, and passed along to Hezron, and went up to Adar, and fetched a compass to Karkaa: From thence it passed
        toward Azmon, and went out unto the river of Egypt; and the goings out of that coast were at the sea: this shall be your south coast. And the east border was the salt sea, even unto the end of Jordan. And their border in the north quarter was from the bay of the sea at the uttermost part of Jordan: And the border went up to Beth-hogla, and passed along by the north of Beth-arabah; and the border went up to the stone of Bohan the son of Reuben: And the border went up toward Debir from the valley of Achor, and so northward, looking toward Gilgal, that is before the going up to Adummim, which is on the south side of the river: and the border passed toward the waters of En-shemesh, and the goings out thereof were at En-rogel: And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward: And the border was drawn from the top of the hill unto the fountain of the water of Nephtoah, and went out to the cities of mount Ephron; and the border was drawn to Baalah, which is Kirjath-jearim: And the border compassed from Baalah westward unto mount Seir, and passed along unto the side of mount Jearim, which is Chesalon, on the north side, and went down to Beth-shemesh, and passed on to Timnah: And the border went out unto the side of Ekron northward: and the border was drawn to Shicron, and passed along to mount Baalah, and went out unto Jabneel; and the goings out of the border were at the sea. And the west border was to the great sea, and the coast thereof. This is the coast of the children of Judah round about according to their families.

    • OlderWoman

      These are the members of the National Council of Churches and the World Council of Churches.

  • rightrightright

    Christ taught us to love our neighbour as ourself. He did not tell us to love our neighbour more than ourself, which is what untrammelled invasion by third worlders of the nasty, brutish and short mindset requires us to do.

    Christ taught “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Render unto God that which is God”. The disposition of nation states, politics, immigration and so forth belong in the secular realm as they are of Caesar.

    It would be a better use of its time if the Church promulgated Christian teaching rather than dabbling in extreme Left wing politics. Where is the Church’s counter to Islamic propaganda in our lands? Nowhere. The Church has failed.

    • [Guest]

      For the most part, I agree. But what exactly is “the Church,” and what part of Christianity consists of “the Church”? As I see it, there’s a great deal of opinion-shopping in which one organization or another, each with its own beliefs and hierarchy of leadership, presents itself as the one true representative of Christianity.

      Using that approach, I can find “Christians” who hold any viewpoint whatsoever and declare that they represent Christian teaching. But who other than an anti-Christian consults the Metropolitan Community Church to learn Christian teaching concerning “gay marriage”?

    • bebe

      Your “neighbor” is one of your own race. God was talking to HIS people, not the world. The White European peoples. The TC are also just for HIS people and no other.

  • Hunter Morrow

    Jesus Christ-“Render onto Caesar what is Caesar and unto God what is God.”

    The Epistle Writers:Let everyone be subject to the ruling authorities. Obey your Earthly masters.

    Pastors: Hop the border just so long as you go to church and put some pesos in the plate.

    Wow, these pastors are so impressive that they’ve progressed being Peter, Paul and Christ. :/

  • Jackryanvb

    Should have thrown all these idiot traitors to lions from the get go. Wouldn’t it be great if wild lions still thrived in a White, pagan Greco-Roman Europe?

    • Bossman

      What do you mean by that? Do you have any idea how brutal and sexually perverted Greco-Roman civilization was?

    • Bad_Mr_Frosty

      While there are elements of Christianity I like, it has failed our people and it may need to be completely discarded.

      • [Guest]

        Yes, but there are a lot of elements of “Christianity” as it’s spoken of and lived by professing Christians today that have nothing to do with Christianity.

        If one supposed Christian group favors immigration/dispossession, that is no more a reflection on Christianity than is the fact that another supposed Christian group opposes it. You can freely shop for opinions and find them in abundance on just about every side of every issue and never leave the realm of supposed Christianity.

        • OlderWoman

          If you ever become perfected THEN and only THEN will you be qualified to criticize Christians. And I don’t mean pagan Catholicism. I mean Bible-believing Christians.

          • [Guest]

            First, please revisit Hebrews 10:14. 🙂

            My point, though, is that nowadays just about any belief imaginable can be found within the realm of professing Christianity, so people on every side of every issue can proclaim to be upholding Christian principles. It’s just that a lot of them are liars.

            Under those conditions, it makes no sense to lambast Christianity. The question is whether the professing Christian or the supposed Christian belief is in truth Christian.

          • bebe

            Hummm…I didn’t post the above? It says FROM bebe(myself)?????

  • Jackryanvb

    Any White religious leader who is treasonous on racial issues is anti-Christ.

    Feel free to slander this traitor in every way possible, it’s just the way it is that he’s sponsoring sexual pervert Mestizo immigrants. Spread the word. We have to stop being so nice.

    • bebe

      Any White religious leader who is treasonous on racial issues is anti-Christ.

      That is one statement that I fully support! And I believe God does also.

  • Jackryanvb

    This is Jeremiah Wright/Sandanista style “liberation theology”. – it ain’t conservative.

    • wattylersrevolt

      Don’t mix things up. There is nothing wrong with Sandinista style liberation theology in Nicaragua.Ronnie Reagan’s atttack on Nicaragua was a war crime. Not only that..it resulted in a hispanic population transfer to the US..a voting block that is now voting for your race-replacement. The Cold War anti-commie crusade is the number one reason for the existence of a nonwhite voting block for race-replacement in the US. It is time to give it up with the Cold War nonesense….the treasonous Republican Party was-is a much greater threat to White America than the Sandinistas..0 threat actually…and the Russkies…you should have seen it comming..but you didn’t.

      • Jackryanvb

        “Don’t mix things up. There is nothing wrong with Sandinista style liberation theology in Nicaragua”

        Jack responds:

        Oh shut up.

        Can the Amren mods step in here. We’ve got &$@# trolls, antis, Libs and race denying Libertarians posting nonsense on Amren. Liberation theology, Rev. wright’s Black liberation theology, Mugabe’s rape the 13 year old White farm girls under some revolutionary program with some Christian cover – it’s all the same; mobs of low life non Whites looking to steal our stuff, murder our people and it’s some how all our fault or worse God’s will.

        Hope you get stuck in one of these murderous mobs pal.

        • wattylersrevolt

          You are a fool. Every Cold War intervention resulted in a mass population transfer into the US. And it wasn’t a coincidence. These days just substitute Islamic jihadist for commie. This is why the muslim population is exploding in the US. You can’t separate these interventions from post-1965 immigration policy because they both emerge of of the same economic policy of the corporate elites.
          And besides, Vietnam, North Korea,Cuba, and the Sandinistas posed 0 threat to the US…nor did Sadaam Hussien and Iran.

          • wattylersrevolt

            Ha..Ha fool..I’m neither a libertarian or a race-denying liberal. As everyone here knows from my six years of posting on AR, I am the most hard-core White Racialist on this site. But for someone such as yourself who had his head up the Fox News rear-end for years…what I wrote must be incomprehensible…your brain damage is self-inflicted.

          • Jackryanvb

            I apologize. Yes, you are correct to oppose pointless Neo Con wars, also should oppose wars against our White kinsmen – Russians, Serbs, Germans, Italians etc.

            But please don’t go idiot Marxists Lib, anti White.

            Liberation theology is horribly anti White in Central America, South Africa or here where I live on the South Side of Chicago.

            Rev Wright, Sharpton, Mugabe, Hugo Chavez, Hollywood Lefties, not on our side, not even close.

          • wattylersrevolt

            Simple solution:don’t import it. Actually, what we need is a pro-White Liberation Theology that opposses Christianity.

  • Christian race-realist

    You can read here an unflattering depiction of people like Richard Land – written btw by an anti-racist Christian:

    http://bojidarmarinov.com/blog/dead-forms-celebrities-and-dead-conscience/

    “Land, of course, is the proverbial ecclesiastical bureaucrat whose whole career so far has been marked by his licking the boots of the powerful of the day, whether they are Christian or not, and whether they have any Biblical views and personal life or not. A member of the socialist-elitist Council for Foreign Relations, he recently wrote an open letter advising the apostate Southern Baptist turned Roman Catholic, and a serial adulterer, Newt Gingrich, how to manipulate Evangelical women to vote for him despite Gingrich’s disgusting history of abandoning two wives one after another right when they needed help in their sickness. Richard Land has never been anything close to a conservative in his political positions; neither has he shown any respect for individual liberty or any other kind of liberty. The man is all about political power, and nothing else.”

    • bebe

      I think you are right. I never could stand that man after listening to him on radio a couple of times. He also said he believes in interracial marriages….so he is NOT of God.

  • Licurg Enescu

    Somebody should tell these so-called pastors that the Bible commands SEGREGATION :

    EXODUS 33:16 “So shall
    we be separated, and all of Thy people, from all the people that are upon the
    face of the earth.”

    DEUTERONOMY 7:3 “NEITHER SHALT THOU MAKE MARRIAGES WITH
    THEM: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt
    thou take unto thy son.”

    HOSEA 5:6-7 “They shall go with their flocks and their
    herds to seek the Lord, but they shall not find Him: He hath withdrawn Himself
    from them. THEY HAVE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY AGAINST THE LORD: FOR THEY HAVE
    BEGOTTEN STRANGE (ZUWR) CHILDREN.

    DEUTERONOMY 23:2
    “A bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord: even to his
    tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.”

    It’s all explained here :

    http://newchristiancrusadechurch.com/sermons/sermon3.htm

    • Bossman

      So why did Moses marry an Ethiopian? What was that all about? What about EXODUS 22:30.? ” You shall not wrong or oppress an alien, for you were once aliens yourselves in the land of Egypt.” Do you want me to bring up more passages like that? There are more than forty of them commanding the ancient Hebrews to be kind to aliens.

      • Licurg Enescu

        1.I think you mean EXODUS 22:31. 22:30 says “You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep. It shall be
        with its mother seven days; on the eighth day you shall give it to Me.”

        2.Secondly,it says “You shall not wrong or oppress an alien”, which is not the same thing as intermarriage or “integration”, as we would refer to it today.

        3.There is wide speculation that the “Ethiopian” woman Moses married was in fact a semite, but that she was referred to as Ethiopian because of a mistranslation. Read here for more details:

        http://www.biblefellowshipunion.co.uk/2004/sep_oct/moseseth.htm

        4. I myself am an agnostic, but I posted those quotes from the Bible merely to illustrate how these people, who are supposed to be spiritual leaders of Christianity, outright ignore biblical text, and replace it with multi-culti bull*hit to forward their own agenda.

        5. I apologize in advance for any grammar errors, English is not my native language.

        • Bossman

          “Mistranslation?”. So the Bible is full of mistranslations? So why was his sister Miriam and his brother Aaron mad at him for doing that? What were they angry about. (NUMBERS 12:1-4). In modern translations, Ethiopia is also called the land of Cush.

          • bebe

            You need to brush up a little more on your “Bible studies”…not what your infiltrated pc churches have fed you. Read the mans links, for crying out loud! Moses married a woman of his own race!

          • Bossman

            Again, if that was the case, why was his sister and brother mad at him for doing that? (NUMBERS 12:1-4).

        • OlderWoman

          Not a mistranslation. Your website is not the authority. The Bible should be read with a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance.

      • OlderWoman

        Moses wife might not have been black. And occasionally God allowed his followers to marry outside of his race. They were not to worship foreign Gods.

        • bebe

          No. You have it wrong. She was a Semite (White). God was not talking about foreign “gods”…..he was talking about “alien” peoples mixing with His people.There is much in the Bible about His people mixing with the other races and what will happen to them. Into bondage they go……Isn’t that where ALL White nations are today? In bondage to the aliens? The alien will become the head and WE the tail. Isn’t that where we are today in our White nations?

          God does not change His laws, statutes or judgements. His mind is not changed whatsoever EVER. Otherwise He would not be God.

        • [Guest]

          Besides that, is there any indication in the Bible that God approved of that marriage? Moses, after all, was a sinner like everyone else. Among other things, he smote the rock twice (a common enough practice even today).

  • jeffaral

    I wonder if Richard Land is , like so many other Christian leaders, a closet gay.

    • Charles Edward Lincoln III

      Now that’s an offensive thing to say, worthy of an Islamist….Jihadi, Arab militant or member of the Iraqi Parliament. Most of the Christian leaders I know are married and (at least among Protestants) most sex scandals have to do with Pastors being Philanderers or outright Polygamists rather than Pedophiles/Pederasts. Get your historical facts straight before you start insulting people!

      http://charleslincoln3.com

  • [Guest]

    Like everything else, the religious terms in use today have been deconstructed to the point of absurdity. “Christian” has become a malleable term, and the same is true of all the associated terms such as “traditional evangelical” and “liberal mainline Protestant.”

    Ann Holmes Redding, who is both an Episcopal priest and a Mohammadan, is a “Christian.” Barack Hussein Obama is a “Christian.” Atheist Lutheran pastor Thorkild Grosboell is a “Christian.” The same should be said of a whole lot of the supposed Christian leaders presented in articles such as this one. Besides that, just who appointed them to inform the rest of us what the Christian viewpoint is on any given issue? Not God.

  • LHathaway

    “respects the God-given dignity of every person”

    There you go. In this ‘tolerant’ society, white men aren’t considered people. We haven’t been for all of our lives. We’re waking up, though. Is that good or bad? The problem is, there’s nothing we can do about it.

  • I don’t know. My wife and daughter are in Japan visiting relatives, and so one of my neighbors and I did some gardening work this morning, and then we spent the whole day drinking on his patio two doors down, until we were asked by one of the the other neighbors to move a piano for her. We moved the piano and didn’t damage it or her walls. She gave us each a glass of whiskey as our reward.

    Today was one of the coolest days of my life. The weather was glorious. We had been drinking ourselves silly the whole afternoon out on Alex’s patio and we still got “good guy” points for moving a piano for a nice old gal across from us.

    How cool is that?