China’s Xinjiang Hit by Deadly Clashes

BBC News, April 24, 2013

Clashes in China’s restive Xinjiang region have left 21 people dead, including 15 police officers and officials, authorities say.

The violence occurred on Tuesday afternoon in Bachu county, Kashgar prefecture.

The foreign ministry said it had been a planned attack by a “violent terrorist group”, but ethnic groups questioned this.

There have been sporadic clashes in Xinjiang in recent years.

The incidents come amid rumbling ethnic tensions between the Muslim Uighur and Han Chinese communities. In 2009 almost 200 people – mostly Han Chinese – were killed after deadly rioting erupted.

It is very difficult to verify reports from Xinjiang, reports the BBC’s Celia Hatton.

Foreign journalists are allowed to travel to the region but frequently face intimidation and harassment when attempting to verify news of ethnic rioting or organised violence against government authorities.

‘Terrorism’

Hou Hanmin, director of the Xinjiang government’s propaganda department, said Tuesday’s clashes began as officials described as community workers searched homes for weapons.

She told the BBC’s Chinese service that three of the workers were killed as they were investigating reports of suspicious individuals at the home of a local resident.

Unarmed police then arrived to investigate the workers’ earlier reports and were attacked, said Ms Hou. Three “thugs” died and nine police officers were cornered in a house which was then set on fire, she said, calling the incident a “planned terrorist attack” on innocent victims.

There was no information on the identity of the assailants. Ten of the officials and police killed were ethnic Uighurs, the local authorities said.

Eight people were arrested.

Foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said initial police investigations showed it had been “a premeditated attack carried out by a violent terrorist group”.

She said the security situation in Xinjiang was “good in general, but a small cluster of terrorist forces are still doing their very best to upset and sabotage Xinjiang’s stability and development”.

“I believe their plan goes against the will of the people and is doomed to fail,” she told a news conference.

But Dilxat Raxit, a spokesperson for the World Uighur Congress, an umbrella organisation of Uighur groups, told the BBC the incident was caused by the killing of a young Uighur by Chinese “armed personnel” as a result of a government clean-up campaign.

Uighurs make up about 45% of the region’s population, but say an influx of Han Chinese residents has marginalised their traditional culture.

Beijing authorities often blame violent incidents in Xinjiang on Uighur extremists seeking autonomy for the region. Uighur activists, meanwhile, accuse Beijing of over-exaggerating the threat to justify heavy-handed rule.

In March, 20 people were jailed on terrorism and separatism charges in the region. Last August courts jailed another 20 people on similar charges in Xinjiang.

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  • robin

    Well, Muslims don’t get along with anyone and the Han Chinese are to ones who raped and destroyed Tibet so hopefully they will both kill out the other.

    • GM (Australia)

      But the reality is that as soon a the violence starts they will all seek refuge in the West and like the mugs we are we will welcome them all no matter what side of the conflict they are on.

      • ed

        for awhile

        The way we’re going we will be an overcrowed hellhole in a few years. In some parts we already are.

      • a multiracial individual

        The Chinese will deal with Islam the way the West should.

        • YngveKlezmer

          Hopefully you are right. The Oriental countries are usually pretty racially aware, the way we should be in the West. They know the Muslim hordes from the Trans-Caucasus slime pit lands will destroy their societies if allowed to settle in their lands.

    • The__Bobster

      From what I’ve seen, the Wiggers are far better fighters than the Tibetans.

      • brengunn

        The Tibetans should give up the self immolation for a start, it doesn’t seem to work at all.

        • Tom in MI

          Right. Self immolation only works against white Christians.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          It works quite well; set yourself on fire, and guess what? You’re on fire.

      • David Ashton

        The Chinese Communists have savagely bombed their strongholds in the past – but unlike Guernica the west knew little and cared less.

      • ed

        the Tibetans were isolated for centuries and their Buddhism, while enlightening, did not lead them to be able to defend themselves very well.

        On the other hand, china is a voracious predator to their neighbors and devoured Tibet and their culture with no more afterthought than a light belch.
        In the end……….. long in the future, the Tibetans will prevail.

  • They deserve each other.

    • Intrepid

      Are you also implying that America deserves what it gets from Muslims?

  • HadEnough

    An exercise in contrasting responses:

    “Uighurs make up about 45% of the region’s population, but say an influx of Han Chinese residents has marginalised their traditional culture.” Liberal response: much chin stroking and nodding about how terrible this is for the Uighurs.

    “Englishmen make up about 45% of London’s population, but say an influx of colored immigrant residents has marginalised their traditional culture.” Liberal response: massive hissy fit, extreme denunciations of racism, large monetary contributions to Labour Party (oh, and in a fine-print memo-to-self, transfer little Jimmy to private school, just in case).

    • David Ashton

      Precisely.
      Look at the celebs who defend Tibet against Han immigration.

    • Intrepid

      There’s a difference. The Uighurs live in a province of China that is experiencing an influx of Chinese people. (i.e., a minority living in an area of the majority culture’s land is receiving members of the majority culture).

      In your second example, Englishmen living in England are getting an influx of immigrants (i.e., a majority culture living within its lands are receiving members of a minority).

      • Alexander M. Kim

        So if the Chinese were (as a thought experiment) to have annexed the United States in 1949 instead of eastern Turkestan and subjected it to the same demographic makeover that Xinjiang (“New Frontier”) has seen, Anglo-Americans and Navajos alike would just be two minorities “living in an area of the majority culture’s land […] receiving members of the majority culture”, right?

        Han Chinese were 5% of Xinjiang’s population when the PLA marched into Urumqi.

    • YngveKlezmer

      Marginalizing English culture is an understatement. London is on the way to becoming the Detroit of Western Europe. Negroids and Arab Muslims only tear down European culture.

  • David Ashton

    Surely these Muslims should appreciate the high IQ of the Han immigrants, which is all that matters according to our resident Episcopalian Nordic Gentile expert on Chinese affairs (no pun intended).

    • JohnEngelman

      They probably resent the high average IQs of those Han Chinese, as do a number of posters on this website.

      • Jefferson

        John are you only attracted to Northeast Asian women, or are you also attracted to Southeast Asian women from countries like The Philippines, Cambodia, Thailand, Vietnam, etc ?

        • JohnEngelman

          Vietnamese, definitely. I also are attracted to women from India. Nevertheless, most of the women I have dated over the years have been white. Don’t think I am a womanizer. I am not. I have been terribly in love a few times.

          • Jefferson

            Are you also attracted to dark skin Indian women ? Or just the light skin Bollywood types ?

          • Morris LeChat

            so you think with your sac and claim that is intelligence

          • ed

            what a guy

            a tad obsessed with the star-speck that is yourself though

          • Morris LeChat

            how much do they charge you?

      • Liberalsuck

        I don’t resent the Chinese for having a ‘higher IQ’ anymore than I resent blacks for being loud, obnoxious and aggressive. I resent having to pay for them, having to pay for their families, seeing them on white lands, seeing our young white females breeding with them, having to see ‘made in China’, seeing them take our jobs, having our resources go to them, not being allowed to preserve our people while they can (and with our resources, too), etc.

        • JohnEngelman

          Chinese immigrants generally pay their own way. They move into upscale neighborhoods because of high incomes, which in turn are due to high IQs.

          Young white females who prefer Chinese men probably do so because they are intelligent, courteous, and successful.

          • Jefferson

            The Chinese are seen as the Jews of Asia. The majority of the upper class wealthy elite in Thailand, Malaysia, Cambodia, and The Philippines are of Chinese descent.

            The small Chinese minority owns most of the wealth in The Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand, and Cambodia.

          • JohnEngelman

            They own wealth they created. I doubt that the people of the Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand, and Cambodia would be better off if they left, just as I doubt whites in the U.S. would be better off if they left the U.S.

          • Jefferson

            Maybe the Chinese on average have a more of an entrepreneurial spirit than Southeast Asians.

            That could explain why the majority of the wealth in Southeast Asia is concentrated in Chinese hands.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            “The small Chinese minority owns most of the wealth in The Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand and Cambodia.”

            The small Chinese minority created most of the wealth in the Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand and Cambodia.

            There; I fixed it.

          • David Ashton

            Do that many white females prefer Chinese men? In London and the “garden cities” like Norwich that particularly attract the Chinese, it seems the other way round. Young white men fancy pretty “yellow” students and old white men get considerably uglier “brown” housewives off the internet.

            Incidentally there is a minor genetic hazard with WF x CM crossing.

          • MBlanc46

            Certainly in the US, it’s mostly white males with East Asian or Southeast Asian females. In the past few years I’ve started to see the opposite pairing, but it’s still overwhelmingly white male-Asian female. I should think that this could be observed on just about any college or university campus in the country,

          • Michael_C_Scott

            The differing rates of these pairings are usually double. I did notice though that both of O.J. Simpson’s first two judges were Japanese men who did not stab their white wives to death.

          • YngveKlezmer

            Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Oriental Asian male paired with a White female, but I’ve seen the White male/Oriental Asian female pairing many times. While far preferable to a White throwing their gene pool in the landfill by mating with a black, this is still miscegenation, and is not natural. A sensible person is only romantically attracted to members of their own race, and finds members of other races asexual.

          • YngveKlezmer

            That is what I see here in America mostly as well. A White European man with an Oriental wife. I can’t imagine that Oriental men approve of this, or that the families of these Oriental females approve either. Most Oriental Asians seem to have a pretty strong sense of identity, and of preserving their racial purity, much like most White Europeans before the Peace, Love and Potsmoke Generation decided to rebel against their racial realist parents.

          • 5Sardonicus

            While I admire Chinese culture, I don’t see the necessity to import large number of immigrants to compete for jobs in an already over-crowded job market. Small numbers of highly qualified Chinese may be good for the economy, but large numbers begin to play ethnic politics and demand special “rights”. This seems to be the case in Canada. Unfortunately, Chinese culture also has a dark side in endemic corruption, insensitivity, and uncontrolled greed.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have known many Chinese. I have never noticed “endemic corruption, insensitivity, and uncontrolled greed.” Those sound like imaginary flaws imagined by those who resent Chinese immigrants because of their success.

          • YngveKlezmer

            I have always had positive experiences around Orientals as well. My experiences with them have resulted in my holding a deep respect for, and admiration of, the Oriental Asian cultures, and the Oriental Asian race. This does not mean, though, that I feel they should intermarry with us White Europeans. Part of my respecting the Oriental Asian peoples entails a desire to see their unique cultures remain intact, just as I want to see our White European cultures remain intact and unique. The only way this happens is through the maintenance of racial purity. Oriental Asians procreating strictly with other Oriental Asians, and White Europeans procreating strictly with White Europeans. The Bible commands us, as humans, to do this when we are told that our offspring are to be born in our own likeness. Only a racially pure child is born in the likeness of both parents

          • YngveKlezmer

            Exactly. Oriental Asian cultures are good cultures, created by a race that is certainly equal in their talents to White Europeans. Oriental Asians should preserve their racial integrity, though, just as we White Europeans should. The uniqueness of White European and Oriental Asian cultures can only be preserved through racial purity in each of our races. We should not miscegenate with each other, but should especially avoid miscegenation with the other races, who are our inferiors, especially the blacks.

          • Morris LeChat

            they have high incomes because they run businesses, they work their butts off, their kids work in the business for free. That doesn’t require high IQs, it requires strong families and strong work ethics.

          • JohnEngelman

            High IQs help, and strong families and strong work ethics are morally commendable.

          • YngveKlezmer

            Commendable, and the product of superior societies. Superior societies that came about due to the superior racial stock of their inhabitants. This is why strong families and work ethics are basically non-existent in Africa and the Black ghetto, and exist tenuously at best in South America, where Mediterranean Europeans made the error of miscegenating with the racially inferior natives, resulting in societies far inferior to Spain or Portugal. In Argentina, though, where the racial stock is mostly pure European, the society mirrors Spain or Portugal.

          • JohnEngelman
          • YngveKlezmer

            Strong families and strong work ethics. Absolutely. The only human cultures that value these so strongly are the Oriental Asian cultures, and White European cultures. Negroes, without our influence, don’t have a clue as far as work ethic or what we see as basic decency. The Negro race is simply not intelligent enough to come up with a moral code of ethics. Those Negroes that do have morals have European Culture to thank for providing them with the framework for their scrupled lifestyle. Without us, a scrupulous Negro would be nothing but a maverick lone wolf living in the depraved jungle.

          • YngveKlezmer

            It is pretty rare, though, to see a White woman with an Oriental man. Unfortunately, the most frequent form of miscegenation appears to be White women paired with Negroids. An American media that glorifies the Negro is why this is happening. The media doesn’t try to convince Whites to become disciples of Oriental Asian culture. They pick the worst culture on planet earth, the Negro culture, and glorify this inferior, regressive culture that only succeeds at dumbing down our European culture bit by bit.

      • Morris LeChat

        they resent being pushed aside. They resent having their nation obliterated. The chinese do not have a great IQ, they only have a slightly higher AVERAGE IQ. They did not participate in developing the modern world. They did not invent steam engines, internal combustion engines, jet engines, rocket engines, electricity generators nor electricity itself. They didn’t invent modern communications. They didn’t invent television nor movies.

        Look at their art john, what does it tell you… They can not think the way Europeans do. Only Europeans invented a realistic perspective system. In asian art, one is always looking at the situation from above, in an oblique perspective. Only the Europeans invented the camera obscura and one two and three point perspectives. The European mind is vastly superior because it has the ability to visualize in a way that the asian mind can not. The modern 3d programs are a representation, a formalizing of an ability that some Europeans excel at. That is the ability to visualize an invention or a process, in 3d, in their head.

        They have tests for this ability, called “spatial ability”. White males are exceptionally strong in this area. Asians are notably weak in this area. They can not conceive of things the way Europeans can. This lack of spatial ability is often the but of ethnic humor, in that those without it are bad drivers.

        If one can not visualize, one can not conceive, one can not modify , one can not invent. Asian cultures are well known for their lack of variation over time. Once a technology is discovered, it is not altered much, not developed much further than the most rudimentary.

      • David Ashton

        You always miss the point. It is not (alleged) intelligence contrasts. It is a sense of cultural identity, language, customs, traditions. Cultural friction, which can of course be aggravated if the colonizers are brighter and therefore more dominant than the colonized.

        • Morris LeChat

          John lives in the world of mediocrities that is known as “ACADEMIA”. They are people who do not understand the real world, they only understand a bunch of papers and tests. Nothing of value comes from that world. It is always those outside of it that come up with the new inventions, the new ideas, the new technologies. OF course he puts asians on a pedestal, they are a mediocre people that do well with tests. In the real world though? Not so much. Oh yes, they are a “successful” people, but that is more from strong families and a good work ethic. The Bill Gates, the Steve Jobs, the Firestones, The James Watts, they have all been Europeans.

          • A Swain

            Furthermore, our Oriental brethren tend to utilize discoveries and inventions created by Europeans then proceed to indulge in modifications which is merely another name for tinkering. They never really invent anything of their own that is totally unrelated to European inventions and discoveries.

            In order to get ahead, they steal blueprints and technical data to which they’ve successfully obtained access. Yes, they are well-known across the world for their industrial spying on other nations especially Western ones.

            Their behaviour is ultimately parasitical and no different to all other Third World enchroachers because all of these various Third World invaders at the end of the day, suck the lifeblood out of and subsequently weaken the Western world and its native peoples.

          • Morris LeChat

            Yes, all of China’s gains since the seventies has been from industrial espionage, political espionage, and outright bribing of American businesses an politicians. Africans never invented writing, never invented the wheel, yet they can be taught to be literate- although as a group they perform very poorly, and they can use the wheels that white people have built, once again though, they perform poorly. When they are removed from the presence and influence of whites, and left on their own, they devolve back into illiterates that can’t figure out something as simple as a wheel. The Asians are the same way concerning their deficits. They can master what the white man has introduced, but if cut off from all influences, they would revert back to a group that uses masses of human labor instead of machinery. This, in fact, is EXACTLY what =the “cultural revolution” really accomplished, it took educated city people and put them to physical labor. The fact is that the REAL mystery about Chinese history is why they didn’t advance into an industrial revolution many centuries ago, when they were ahead of the west. The answer is that the asian mind is not geared for that sort of thinking. They used massed human labor instead of developing machinery, not because the human labor was so available, but because they could not invent the machinery, and were not comfortable with the machinery that was invented.
            The ancient Gauls invented the automated wheat harvester. The western mind invented many things during the Roman empire that were suppressed because the Romans feared what an idle slave class would do. Three out of five people in ancient Rome were slaves. It was the largest issue on the minds of the elite at that time. The same way the illegal immigrants are the largest issue on our minds today.

            The fact is though, that invention and technology are the NATURAL state of the European people. It springs up spontaneously. It was only when the English developed a society that allowed it to truly flourish that industrialization and the modern world came into being. The European societies have always been societies that were never totally autocratic and that were at times rather democratic. Asian societies NEVER were anything but autocratic. The asian mind does not work the same as the European mind, it is the same situation as how the african mind operates totally different from the above.

          • JohnEngelman

            Morris LeChat,

            Never mind, I’ve already said it before, substantiating my factual assertions with articles I have found on this website.

          • MBlanc46

            Jobs was Middle Eastern (Lebanese, I think) adopted by Euro parents.

          • Morris LeChat

            His father was syrian, his mother European.

          • BulgAryan

            Arguably, Steve Jobs was of Levantine, Semitic stock. His father, Abdulfattah Jandali hailed from Syria.

  • Secret Tribunal

    Diversity Is Our Greatest Strength vs. Diversity Is Our Greatest Mistake

    Better Living Through Modern Racism says, “Under the circumstances, may our mistakes defeat our strengths.”

    • YngveKlezmer

      Greatest mistake, beyond a doubt. The third world is pouring into America, and is re-creating the host societies. Why liberals can’t see this is beyond comprehension. Blacks have created, and maintain, pockets of African style society in America. They always have, and they always will. Hispanics are re-creating the kind of backward societies they hail from as well.

  • bigone4u

    The keenest fact left out is that the Uighurs and the Hans look the same to us and are of equal intelligence, but hate each other. I wish a million black Africans would show up over there to show them some real diversity. But since the Hans are openly “Han Supremecists,” it’ll never happen. I also wish whites worldwide were as smart as the Hans when it comes to declaring their supremecy.

    • brengunn

      I don’t think they do look alike. The Uighurs look sort of Nepalese whereas the Han are pale skinned.

      • bigone4u

        How we perceive those from the East may be an individual matter. To my untrained eye, it’s difficult to distinguish between a Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Korean person that I do not know. Likewise, the Uighurs have a vaguely Oriental look that would cause me to lump them in with the rest. I’m sure that for people who have a great deal of experience in these matters, they may not look alike. Likewise, here in Texas when I meet a rare Cuban, I’m shocked because they look Mexican to me.

        • A. Windaus

          Having travelled through Asia I now have no real problem with these distinctions. Japanese tend to have greater protruding cheek bones than Chinese and their chins make their faces form more of a heart shape, with Chinese having a rounder, flatter face in general. Japanese also tend to have lighter hair than Chinese. South Koreans and Japanese I often have trouble with when they’re not in their home country because they look more alike than any other Asian people (to me at least), probably because they’re both so Westernised, but generally Koreans tend to have thinner eyes that are more like Chinese eyes. Vietnamese look more like Chinese than South Koreans and Japanese, but have darker skin, probably because they’re closer to the equator.

          • convairXF92

            There’s a particular Japanese facial type called something like the “noble type”: it has a loooooong nose (meaning from bridge down to nostrils, not how much sticks out of the face). Pictures of emperors and their family members typically show this. I haven’t seen this feature in any Asians other than Japanese.

          • David Ashton

            The northern nobility look in east Asia, like the northern nobility look in northern Europe. Thin nose, lighter complexion and longer legs.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            This is an Ainu (Jomon) trait, but was also found on Nagasaki because of Dutch interbreeding with local women during the Tukugawa era.

          • bigone4u

            The Vietnamese students I used to see at the university were often short and thin, thin, thin.

          • Morris LeChat

            the japanese recognize that there are two phenotypes in their nation, the yayoi and the jomon. Funny YOU the EXPERT, never noticed this.
            http://www.koreabang.com/2012/stories/dna-analysis-confirms-japanese-are-of-korean-descent.html

          • Intrepid

            In general, the Chinese also tend to be physically bigger than the other East Asian races.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Yes, and compared with Japanese, they have smaller teeth.

          • IstvanIN

            Funny, I always thought it was said that only the Japanese had truly black hair.

        • convairXF92

          Koreans often have: small, very narrow eyes; pale skin; no neck; no chin; mouth corners that look misshapen. This is the set of features that inspired the term “mongoloid” applied to people with Down’s Syndrome.

          Yep, a lot of Korean men are really ugly. Many also tend to be large and hulking, bigger than Japanese and most Chinese. On the other hand, there are some Korean men who are rock-star gorgeous. I’ve seen more than one Korean Paul McCartney clone.

          • bigone4u

            The Korean singer Psy is certainly no McCartney clone, but he does have a likeable appearance. He’s about the only Korean I can think of other than the little dictator and a Korean girl I dated briefly many years ago. Psy’s dancing girls are clearly asian but they have a cutie type American look about them, don’t you think?

          • convairXF92

            >cutie type American look about them
            yep, had to look twice to be sure some of them were Asian! Same with some of the rich ladies.

            Psy does have the poorly-shaped mouth problem I mentioned, but it’s only noticeable if close-up or outlined with snow.

          • Intrepid

            “cutie type American look”? Dude, being good looking isn’t exclusive to any particular group. All the East Asian countries have their share of attractive people. Most Americans (and non-Asians in general) don’t realize it because they simply haven’t seen enough Asians to know. They aren’t represented in western media that much, and when they are, it’s not often favorably.

          • IstvanIN

            That guy Psy is ugly. On the other hand Kim Jong-Un’s wife is cute (and no, I am not an Asiaphile).

          • Intrepid

            There are lots of Asian male models, but they don’t appear much in western media (which is generally hostile to them) and heavy stereotyping also obscures the picture. For every good looking Asian woman there’s also a good looking Asian man.

            Asians are no different from any other group with attractive, average and ugly people. The average white American man today is overweight or obese and is by no means remarkable either. But there are also white celebs and other good looking people. The difference is the latter appears in lots of magazines and other media, and skew people’s perception that they’re the norm, when they’re not.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            There are lots of Koreans in Colorado Springs, usually ex-military, and the men tend to be fairly big and robust, especially those who grew up here in the states.

        • Alexander M. Kim

          Uyghurs are quite variable in appearance (there are, by the way, some notable regional differences), but it doesn’t take “a great deal of experience” to tell faces like this or this from those of typical Han Chinese. In the Han Chinese mind, stereotypical Uyghurs stand out for their Caucasoid features (in actuality, Uyghurs ancestry seems to be a roughly even combination of East and West Eurasian, with a minor South Asian component), and both ethnicities regard each other as races apart.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Those two guys look like they have a lot of Tocharian in them.

          • Alexander M. Kim

            Perhaps, but numerous predominantly Caucasoid peoples other than just Tocharians have inhabited this region (Kashgar, lying at the western extreme of the Tarim, seems to have long been a stronghold of Eastern Iranic ethnicities).

    • A. Windaus

      From what I’ve seen they seem to be mixed race, or multiple racial groups lumped under one culturally-based ethnicity. Some could pass as European, probably of Russian ancestry, while others look more sub-continental Indian, and then others still look East-Asian.

      • bigone4u

        One of the pics of uighurs I saw on Google was of a white looking baby with blue eyes. I was thinking that had to be some sort of recessive gene coming out but maybe not. From wikipedia: The Uyghurs are a population with Eastern and Western Eurasian anthropometric and genetic traits. Uyghurs are thus one of the many populations of Central Eurasia that can be considered to be genetically related to European and East Asian populations. However, various scientific studies differ on the size of each component.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people

        • Michael_C_Scott

          My daughter, Ariadne has grey eyes and brown hair.

          • IstvanIN

            How old is she? I am curious because I was born with bright blue eyes and white-blond hair. By age three I had hazel eyes and by kindergarten I had brown hair. Mom has black hair and Dad is a blond, both with hazel eyes. Genetics is amazing, I have relatives with all sorts of combos. My wife and I both had hazel eyes yet our daughter and grandson both have blue.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Ariadne turns six in June.

            My eyes started out blue and ended up a very dark stone grey. My sister’s started out brown and ended up green. They change a bit sometimes in Caucasians. My sister’s hair was originally curly and blond, but now it is only wavy – mine does it a little when I let it grow out – and brown with a reddish cast. She and I have the same parents, so even with that, this is at least two chromosomes we do not necessarily possess in common.

          • IstvanIN

            Wow, your sister went from brown to green, never heard of that before. Interesting. My brother and all his kids have dark brown eyes, just like our maternal grandmother. His youngest’s eyes were so dark at birth we thought she would have black eyes.

            Thanks for the reply. Be well.

    • Alexander M. Kim

      Uyghurs on the whole easily qualify as “visible minorities” in China, and Western visitors to Xinjiang usually don’t have any difficulty distinguishing them from Hans on the basis of facial features alone. Some of them are so Caucasoid-looking that even local Hans are apt to mistake them for European foreigners (often with humorous outcomes), but most look as you’d expect of an Inner Asian population approximately intermediate, genomically, between West and East Eurasia.

    • Alexander M. Kim

      Did you not know that Guangzhou alone has over 200,000 African residents now?

      • Intrepid

        A lot of White Nationalists seem to have the false impression that only “white” countries have immigrants or otherwise diverse populations. Allows them to play the victim card better.

        • IstvanIN

          Nobody has the numbers and percentages that we do. Africans in China could be very easily cleaned up.

  • KevinPhillipsBong

    “Dilxat Raxit”?

    Wasn’t he a bad guy from one of those Buster Crabbe sci-fi serials?

  • Bill

    Well it’s obvious. China’s troubles with the muslims stem from their invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. There are far to many here who think our problems with muzzies comes from that. So it must be so for India, China, Philippines , Borneo, New Zealand as well, right? Everywhere the muzzies are causing problems, must be because that place invaded Iraq. Or supports Israel. So say some.

    • Jefferson

      All of us Non Muslims are Infidels in the eyes of Muslims, not just Zionist Jews. Chinese Buddhists, Indian Hindus, Utah Mormons, Irish Catholics, Filipino Catholics, etc are all Infidels who need to submit to Islam or die.

      • YngveKlezmer

        You better believe it. Islam is a sociopathic cult that wants the rest of us dead.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      You forgot China’s notorious support for Israel.

      • Intrepid

        If China has “notorious” support for Israel, then I’d love to see how you would classify American support for Israel.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Sarcasm.

          We get accused of supporting them, and in 2011 that was US $ three billion to Israel, but over seven billion to various Arab nations, excluding Afghanistan, which received almost 13 billion.

    • Alexander M. Kim

      This betrays a very shallow understanding of the foundations of Uyghur unrest in Xinjiang.

      If it’s Muslims qua Muslims that are the problem – why, then, are the 10 million Hui so much less inclined to separatism and political violence against the Chinese state? Why are the Hui so frequently resented (at times even more intensely than the Han are) by their Uyghur coreligionists?

      Not very exceptional sentiments at play here: “A twenty-four-year-old Uyghur woman fell in love with a man of mixed parentage (Uyghur and Han), whose mother was Han but had converted to Islam. The woman’s parents refused to allow the marriage, the couple married anyway, and consequently the bride was disowned by her parents.” (Rudelson, Oasis Identities, 1997) What in “Islam” explains this?

      While we’re on the matter of “invasions”, how about the mid-20th-century PRC subjugation of a land that was always beyond the Sinitic core? Could the state-directed swamping of local populations by Han Chinese (Han were 5% of Xinjiang’s population in the early 1950s and around 50% today, including a solid majority of major northern cities like the capital Urumqi) have anything to do with it? How about Uyghur subjection to the horrors of the Cultural Revolution, environmental disasters as dramatic as literal nuclear explosions (all of China’s tests have been conducted in Xinjiang), or “Strike Hard” campaigns replete with arbitrary detention, torture, trial by kangaroo courts, and hundreds of executions for “splittism” (i.e., resistance to domination by foreign military and alien immigrants in the only homeland they know)?

  • a multiracial individual

    I hope the radical Islamists try and get nuts with the Chinese gov’t.

  • Puggg

    Chinese vs Muslims.

    This might solve that millennia-old “irresistible force vs immovable object” paradox.

    • David Ashton

      The next neo-con secret hope, after the Shiites and Sunnis have finished their mutual decimation? Actually, there was a similar Christian hope in medieval times (Prester John and all that).

      • Puggg

        I sure hope the fool liberal-neocon Democrat-Republicans have the barest lick of sense not to intervene in China. All we should be doing is watching this from a distance, because it should be entertaining.

  • IstvanIN

    Mixed race/ethnic empires, unless they have a very beloved Monarch as a unifier, are only held together by force. Look at Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. The communist Stalin knew that, which is why he, a Georgian, tried to “Russify” the Soviet Union. China has attempted to “Hanify” China by flooding non-Chinese areas, like Tibet, with Han Chinese. Diversity is destructive to national unity.

    • David Ashton

      True that Stalin used “Great Russia” as his unifying theme, especially in WW2, but he also jumbled up the minority ethnic groups. His own “Georgian” ancestry may have been a bit multi-ethnic too (but none of that mistaken “he was really a Jew” stuff, please).

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Stalin also declared native Chechens a “criminal ethnicity” and ordered them deported to Soviet Central Asia. Stalin’s own writing – I have one of his books – shows he was very concerned and troubled over the Soviet nationalities problem. He also admired the United States and Switzerland for their huge middle classes, which largely eliminated this sort of trouble.

        • YngveKlezmer

          Such middle classes never materialize in places like Africa, and the Middle East.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      A beloved monarch like Emperor Franz Joseph will do the trick, but prosperity works pretty well. Usually guys with good jobs aren’t the ones causing trouble. The Troubles in Northern Ireland were exacerbated by the decline of the Belfast shipbuilding industry. Ethnic distrust is necessary but not sufficient for bloodshed. Quebec separatists were noisy enough, for instance, but very few of them ever resorted to violence. Hawaiian separatists again talk a lot, but seem to understand very well that violence would kill the tourism and related service industries so many of them depend upon. They have almost a “captive audience” for Yanks wanting sun, sand and surf: one doesn’t have to change money, English is spoken by nearly everyone, the water is safe to drink, and foods sold there are the same as in the lower-48, so finding things your small children are willing to eat is a snap. Nobody is going to spend a pile of money taking his family there if he’s worried about them getting blown up, and the native Polynesians mostly know it.

      Ethnic antagonism is certainly necessary for domestic unrest, but it is not sufficient.

      • IstvanIN

        You make excellent points and I agree, the problem is prosperity is cyclical, as are beloved monarchs. Religion can be a glue as well. In addition some ethnic groups are more distant from each other than others. I think the Germans, Austrians, Czechs, Slovaks and even Hungarians, (though non-Germanic), could work well together, whereas the southern Slavs are just too different. Muslims and Christians are too different. Jews are too different from Christians to not upset the applecart. Non-northern Europeans became American because our immigrants forebears were willing to Americanize. Depending on prosperity isn’t a guarantee.

        As for the Hawaiians, they are such a minority in Hawaii that the chances of them getting away from the US, either peacefully or violently, is next to impossible. Hawaii would be more likely to become a Japanese province at this point. Remember, numbers count.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Ethnic Japanese run Hawaiian politics, but they don’t want unification with Japan. Ethnic Chinese run most of the big business there, and both groups seem to understand they’re getting a pretty sweet deal.

    • YngveKlezmer

      Very true. Diversity creates hell holes. Homogenous societies, provided they are pure European or pure Oriental, are great societies. Just look at Japan, and Europe before they opened the gates to the Third World Hordes. Our Northern states in the U.S. before the Negroes came North.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Funny how Uighur sounds almost like “w****r”. A muzzie’s a muzzie’s a muzzie it seems…go Han!

    • Alexander M. Kim

      It’s more like “Ooy-goor”.

      So why do the Hui and Uyghurs (or Kazakhs or Salars or Dongxiang, etc.) have such markedly different relationships with the Chinese state despite all being Muslims, then? Are black American social pathologies a “Baptist” issue?

      What’s really funny is how you’re cheering the race-replacement and sociopolitical marginalization of eastern Turkestan’s native populations by millions of post-1950s immigrants and military occupiers flying the banner of Chinese communism.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Perhaps I was a bit over the top, but they look pretty Oriental to me. High IQ and mainline Islam (in the modern world) do not seem to go together like peas and carrots, so their religious traditions rather baffle me.

        I firmly believe that the most important factor in the scientific/cultural decline of the Islamic world has been replacement of higher IQ Eurasian slaves en masse by subSaharan black slaves when Europe became powerful enough to resist. Islam, though certainly different from Christianity in specific doctrine, never had it’s 30 years war and the resultant shift from literalist religious mindset to secularist Enlightenment mindsets that paved the way for European ascendancy.

        Part of that I blame on the Trojan horse of sSA DNA…

        Who knows how Islam and Islamic civilization might have evolved with a predominantly 100 IQ population? But yeah, regardless of the genetics of the adherents of the religion of peace (!), I consider it an inextricably Africanized religion perfectly suited for populations who do not possess the mental capacity to participate constructively in anything resembling a progressive civic secular society.

        • SirMe

          The Muslims don’t like progression, they know progression will just eventually lead to suicide, most will live in 3rd to 2nd world conditions (and the rich gulf 1st world countries), than have multiculturalism/diversity. The Afghans are happy as long as they have the Koran and their religion, anything else will lead to violence.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            The Afghans generate plenty of violence on their own; the Pashtuns, Tadzhiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks there hate each other.

  • rightrightright

    The Burmese don’t get along with their muslims either. http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/04/11/myanmar-burmese-buddhist-monk-burned-with-acid-slashed-with-knives-had-genitals-cut-off-all-by-muslims/
    But it is always somebody else’s fault, never the fault of the poor, victimised little muslim (whose holy book instructs him to kill you).

    • NeanderthalDNA

      I have great respect for most forms of Buddhism. Dippy liblefty western poser Buddhists may be idiotic but real old world Buddhists seem to understand well the concept of action/reaction (karma) as well as the dire results of compassion sans wisdom.

      In fact despite the Asian nature if it’s modern adherents, Buddhism’s lineage, through Vedantic Hinduism, is ultimately Aryan. Good stuff there…

    • Alexander M. Kim

      The Buddhist Bamar (“Burmese”) obviously don’t regard or interact with Bamar Muslims, Panthays, or Malays the same way they do with the Rohingya … not even close. The headline-grabbing violence in Burma as of late is fundamentally an ethno-racial conflict with light religious flavoring.

      (And, to get back to the current news piece, Uyghurs are clearly such exactingly literalistic adherents to the word of a Qur’an hardly any of them can read in the original – this must be why so many of them freely drink alcohol, right? Invasion by communist China, forcible immersion in Sinitic civilization, and demographic swamping more rapid and drastic than what White Americans have been subjected to post-1968, thanks to a hostile state that would gladly see them all subjected to the same sort of ethnic digestion the Manchus have gone through … no actual victimization here, no siree.)

  • MCPH1

    as i have familiy ties to china (while being a native european myself) i have a kind of emotional relation china. i really feel bad for those han chinese. their bodies are build much weaker than those of europeans, or africans, even than those of south asians. their temperament is also a disadvantage when it comes to serious conflicts, they have less testosterone and are overall much less aggressive, which is probably a genetic and not a cultural thing. and additional to the biological conditions their culture is also not optimal for conflicts, as it is rather harmony centered. it was always clear that in a serious conflict they don´t have a chance against europeans or africans. but now we see they also don´t have a chance against those eastern turks, who themselfes are not as strong builded than western turks from turkey who are a mix of mediterranian europeans and middle asians. i mean is they any country in the wordls where clashes between the state force and citizens result in more deaths of policemen than on the opposite (15 deaths, vs 6 deaths)? and everybody who has visited china like i did will easily believe this outcome of the conflict, their policemen often are 18 years old boys who have the strength of on average 12 year old european or african…

    • Justme

      “i really feel bad for those han chinese. their bodies are build much
      weaker than those of europeans, or africans, even than those of south
      asians”

      As a Chinese, you shouldn’t feel bad all all. The Chinese whipped your asses in the Korean War (remember China vs the United Nations) even with inferior weaponry. How they did do this? Better brains, Better Physical Build 🙂 Heck, even the ragtag puny Vietcongs whipped the French and the American invaders.

      Feel bad for yourself…

      • ed

        hmm……… I remember that being a stalemate……….perhaps you have the new modified history book…

      • Michael_C_Scott

        The Chinese took somewhere between 530,000 and 980,000 killed and wounded in Korea (estimates vary all over). Even Mao decided it was pretty awful after his son was KIA there.

    • Alexander M. Kim

      Dry your tears. There are lots of North Chinese Han types in Xinjiang, with nowadays’ nutrition frequently very tall and stoutly built, and “lower aggression” or not, it’s not like the spontaneous armed gangs they formed after the 2009 Urumqi riots were ineffectual at murdering Uyghurs.

      http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/xinj_07_08/x19_19590043.jpg

      http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/xinj_07_08/x13_19589471.jpg

      Anyway, Chinese aside, the cartoonish racial determinism in “serious conflicts” you seem to ascribe to doesn’t square with the historical record, where Mongoloid and largely-Mongoloid people (including Inner Asian Turks) have militarily crushed and subjugated Caucasoid or at least more Caucasoid populations (including “Western Turks”) time and time again throughout Eurasia. Or did I just imagine what happened at Ankara in 1402?

      • Morris LeChat

        I guess you never heard about WWII…huh

      • Michael_C_Scott

        The Mongols certainly made a name for themselves, but central and western Europe had a denser population than they were accustomed to, and the terrain less favorable for them. There were also more castles and other local strongpoints. The Mongols were thoroughly defeated in Hungary in the 1280s.

  • Token Finn

    I thought only white people caused ethnic riots.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    With 21 people dead, including 15 police officers, it seems likely that these are operations specifically targeting policemen. It also seems likely that in spite of their rather rough reputation, the Chinese cops are showing a lot of restraint.