Senators Agree on Path to Legal Status for Illegal Immigrants

Brian Bennett, Los Angeles Times, March 11, 2013

Eight senators who have spent weeks trying to write a bipartisan bill to overhaul immigration laws have privately agreed on the most contentious part of the draft—how to offer legal status to the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants.

According to aides familiar with the closed-door negotiations, the bill would require illegal immigrants to register with Homeland Security Department authorities, file federal income taxes for their time in America and pay a still-to-be-determined fine. They also must have a clean law enforcement record.

Once granted probationary legal status, immigrants would be allowed to work but would be barred from receiving federal public benefits, including food stamps, family cash assistance, Medicaid and unemployment insurance.

The group’s current draft is largely in line with President Obama’s call to set a pathway to earned citizenship as part of a broader immigration reform package, as well as with recent efforts by prominent Republican lawmakers to resolve an issue that hurt GOP candidates in November’s election.


Still undecided is how long illegal immigrants would need to wait before they could apply for permanent resident status and eventually become citizens. The delay for a green card probably would be 10 years or longer, the aides said.

Also unresolved are such politically charged topics as how many visas to issue to high-tech specialists and other guest workers; how to keep track of when visitors leave the country; and how to pay for more Border Patrol officers, fencing and other security measures in an era of shrinking budgets, the aides said.


The group had hoped to deliver a completed bill to the Senate Judiciary Committee for consideration before the Senate leaves for Easter recess on March 22. But aides said remaining issues required more technical advice and cost estimates that could delay delivery until early April.

The group includes Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Marco Rubio of Florida and Jeff Flake of Arizona. The Democrats are Sens. Charles E. Schumer of New York, Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado.


Unless the group designs a visa program that ensures a robust labor force, Rubio told reporters, “What you’re going to have is people coming into the country illegally or overstaying visas.”


In an effort to resolve the issue, negotiators from the AFL-CIO and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have worked with Senate staffers to set a formula so the number of visas for both high-tech and low-skilled workers can fluctuate. They have agreed that the tally would move up or down based on job demand, unemployment rates and other data.


Unlike in the past, both business and organized labor want an immigration bill to pass, said Eliseo Medina, secretary-treasurer of the Service Employees International Union, which represents more than 2 million workers.


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  • Stentorian_Commentator

    Definition of bipartisanship – let’s work together to screw Americans over. Thanks for nothing, you bleeps!

    • The__Bobster

      When the Stupid Party and the Evil Party get together to do something both stupid and evil.

    • What I don’t get, is whats in it for the Republicans, Democrats get voters for life, I can hear others say for the cheap labor, but as a political organisation who (I assume) eventually wants to be democratically voted back into power, how does this help them?
      I sincerely can’t see their strategy here, what am I missing?

      • Nathanwartooth

        This is their end game. They got elected for the power and money it would make them. This is how they achieve it.

        • I can see them getting the money part, but not the power if they can never get voted in again. Well unless this is part of the change that they’re forcing on themselves ‘to transform’.
          It’s a cowards way out though, if this is what they choose between being the exclusively ‘White party’ or the ‘Democratic party part two’.
          Then they’re not working “for the people” but are working “for the next group of people” who they were too soft or corrupt to stop getting in, in the first place.

          • Nathanwartooth

            Power comes in many different ways. We have no idea what kind of backroom deals these men are being promised. It could be positions on boards or all kinds of things.

            These guys are not stupid. They know this will destroy the Republican party and they are all too happy to do it for personal gain.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        They are bought and paid for.

        • joesolargenius

          The republican incumbents are also being replaced with Tea Party members which means they will not be able to deliver the goods to their puppet masters for much longer so they are trying to get as much as possible as they can now while the getting is still good. I believe we will see a mass transference of wealth out of this country during the next few years !

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            That has already happened. One of the greatest canards out there is that America is a wealthy country. There are wealthy people but most are not even close and any nation that holds the amount of debt we own isn’t wealthy by any criteria.

          • Joseph

            I think you may be on to something there. At least I hope so. They liked to ride Rand Paul’s popular coattail recently but in response, I think, they immediately ramped up the interviews with Jeb Bush to push that aside. Both he and Rubio are traitorous neocons beholden to that globalist cabal for their continued existence.

          • Felix_M

            For all their supposed craziness, the Tea Partiers recognize that you can’t balance a budget when you continue to bring in millions and millions of new people who’ll take more from the treasury than they ever put in.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Doesn’t help their constituents…but their major donors are from the group that hates us and wants white Christians to become a minority in our own country.

      • crystalevans

        The only Hispanics that will actually become citizens are the so called Dreamers because they want to vote so bad that they can taste it. The rest of the illegal immigrant population will want their green cards so that they can cross the border legally.

      • Felix_M

        With amnesty the democrats get millions of new voters, but the republicans not only get just a couple hundred thousand new members, (if they’re lucky), but they lose their deeply disaffected base. It’s not for nothing we call them “the stupid party.”

        When it comes to voters republicans should remember: A bird in the hand is worth at least two in the bush. IOW, one middle class American voter is worth at least two illegals swimming the Rio Grande.

      • Tucker

        You’re missing the main point, GenX. Every single one of these ‘RINOs’ are hard core, virulently anti-White, open borders loving, globalist, NWO craving liberals who are really Communist Democrats – but, due to the almost unbelievable stupidity of the older, traditional conservative leadership of the GOP – were allowed to worm their way, mole like, into the GOP and then work from the inside to destroy the GOP.

        Go back to the 1994 Republican ‘revolution’ days. Remember how that obese Oxycotin addicted blow hard who parks his prodigious posterior behind his golden EIB bullhorn and spews all of the baloney that the signers of his fat paycheck tell him they want spewed – and how, once the evil Communist Ds started to suddenly ‘switch parties’ and announce that they were now going to become ‘Republicans’?

        Does everyone remember how Scumbaugh was gloating and laughing and excitedly ‘welcoming these former enemy Ds into the GOP’? Remember how he’d laugh and say, ‘come on in, the water feels fine’?

        Well, I’m not a genius – and I don’t have an IQ in the stratosphere, but even I was sharp enough to immediately recognize what the left was pulling over on the GOP. The old Trojan Horse tactic. Having seen the GOP, for the first time in my lifetime – takeover the House and the Senate – well, there are a few things that the D’s do better than anyone else – and those things are: lying, cheating, conniving, using deceit and subterfuge and resorting to any and all immorality and dishonesty that is necessary for their side to prevail. This is because the left has no soul; these democrats truly are the face of Satan Himself and they reacted to the 1994 GOP revolution in approximately the same way that I’ve read the AIDs virus reacts, whenever it senses that a drug has been injected into the body that seeks to kill it. The D’s (ref: AIDs virus) reacted to the GOP revolution of 1994 by instructing a significant number of their scourge to change their molecular structure; they initiated Project Chameleon – and that’s where these despicable ‘RINOs’ came from. They simply switched party labels, but they did NOT change their politics or ideology.

        Hence, these RINO’s who are now working with the evil Democrats to get amnesty passed and to then let these illegal aliens import 50 to 100 million more of their family tree members – are not looking for a way to benefit the GOP. Their mission is to destroy the GOP from the inside, GenX.

        Once this is done, look for these RINOs and neo-cons (which are almost the same thing) to suddenly have an ‘revelation’ and decide that they really feel more comfortable over in the Democrat Party and then switch back to their original ideological roots. Mission Accomplished.

        Sam Francis was being overly generous, if you ask me, when he dubbed the GOP ‘The Stupid Party’. A much more accurate label for the older, traditional conservative leadership who allowed this RINO and Neo-Con Trojan Horse to get inside the GOP would be: ‘The Imbecile Party’.

        • What an insidious plan and it shows how far the left are willing to go ‘to win’.
          No wonder tradition White conservatives are being purported to be the next big (domestic) terrorist group, with all of the forced social changes and with apparently no mainstream political recourse, it’s almost like we’re being corralled into the role. I don’t want to come across as some sort of provocateur and I appreciate that the terrorist/freedom fighter designation is dependent on the partisan allegiances of the commentator ,but I’m running out of unacceptable (effective) avenues for our predicament.

          I’m all talk, due to overwhelming frustration and I appreciate for the revolution to work, the timing has to be just right, or else you’ll be squashed like a bug alone, (our revolution won’t be televised),but if we wait too long our challenge is only going to get insurmountable.
          But what do we do? Move closer for ringside seats, run away, dig in deep and hope to survive. I’m going to sound (even more) paranoid here, but it feels like everything is moving towards a deliberate crash, with those who’ve engineered it, also preparing for the next stage (anyone noticed how many bullets and armored vehicles your Feds are buying lately). I get no indication that the direction our countries are heading towards, is sincerely intended to actually work.
          Sorry to sound defeatist, but I don’t know if taking the red pill and being awake ‘in the minority’ has really helped much, other than gaining some time to prepare for inevitable.

          • Tucker

            Remember what Bill Ayers, the Communist radical and Weathermen terrorist from the left surmised – that for their Communist takeover of America to succeed, that they estimated that a minimum of 25 million Americans (read White conservatives) would have to be exterminated, because they would refuse to be reeducated and learn to adopt Communist ideologies.

            That 25 million figure was based on the total population of the nation back in the 1960s and early 1970s, of course. If you use the estimates of how many Whites voted for Romney in 2012 (who was and is a RINO liberal), we can see that about 120, 286, 434 million Whites would now probably fit into the category of needing to be reeducated or exterminated.

            Already, at the very same time we are seeing the vile rats at the SPLC issuing daily scare mongering bulletins that are screaming that ‘white conservatives’ and ‘2nd Amendment supporters’ and ‘Constitutionalists’ and anti-Bloated and tyrannical government types are ‘more dangerous than Al Qaeda’ – we also see a corresponding massive arms and ammunition build up by the American KGB (DHS).

            What other conclusion can we arrive at, except to connect these two dots and conclude that a repeat of what the Bolsheviks did after their 1917 seizure of Russia and half of Europe is what rats like Obama, Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg and Bloomberg have up there sleeves?

          • While in the meantime these bastards are going after the minds of our children.
            Remember Tim Wise’s 2010 ‘Tick tock’, “Open Letter to the White Right /(White people?)” essay.


            The Left’s current strategy in this regard reminded me of the following quotes……

            …..“The basic clay of our work is the youth; we place our hope in it and prepare it to take the banner from our hands.” (Che Guevara)

            ……“He alone, who owns the youth,gains the future.” (Adolf Hitler)

            ….“Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.” (Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)

            All this negative forward trajectory hypothesizing can be depressing and from going through my “Quotes.doc”, please allow me to lazily share some uplifting quotes relevant to this conversation and/or our current situation.

            “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no
            vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is
            no virtue!” (Barry Goldwater)

            ‘A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough
            to take it all away’ (Barry Goldwater).

            “The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can
            shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.” (Dr. Joseph Goebbels)

            ‘My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular’
            (Adlai Stevenson)

            ‘Power is the great enemy of freedom’ (Henry C. Wallich)

            ‘The enemies of freedom do not argue; they shout and they shoot.’
            (W. R. Inge The End of an Age)

            “Ideas are more dangerous than guns. We don’t let our people have
            guns. Why should we let them have ideas?” (Josef Stalin)

            The finest opportunity ever given to the world was thrown away because the passion for equality made vain the hope for freedom’ (Lord Acton)

            ‘Timid men prefer despotism to the boisterous sea of liberty’
            (Thomas Jefferson)

            ‘The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is
            courage”. (Pericles’ Funeral Oration 431BC)

            ‘Lift the curtain and ‘the State’ reveals itself as a little group of
            fallible men in Whitehall, making guesses about the future, influenced by
            political prejudices and partisan prejudices, and working on projections drawn from the past by a staff of economists.’ (Enoch Powell)

            “Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can
            be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.” (Adolf Hitler)

            “All the reasons which make the initiation of physical force an evil,
            make the retaliatory use of physical force a moral imperative.” (Ayn Rand)

            “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
            tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds” (Samuel Adams)

            ‘The enemy of subversive thought is not suppression, but publication:
            truth has no need to fear the light of day; fallacies wither under it. The
            unpopular views of today are the commonplaces of tomorrow, and in any case the wise man wants to hear both sides of every question.’ (Sir Stanley Unwin)

            I have always known and understood that the idiots are in a majority so it’s certain they will win. -(Céline)

            My favorite one for last….
            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote! (Benjamin Franklin)

            Thank you for your insights Tucker.

          • The latest SPLC report is saying that (their favorite cash cow) “hate groups” number’s have leveled out, but they’re very concerned about the growth in “patriot groups”.

            It seems that only 4% of LA Times readers share those same concerns.

          • About that LAT screed, especially its last paragraph:

            Even if you want to believe the 100% of the “official” narrative re OKC, and I don’t:

            1. Timothy McVeigh didn’t do what he did because of what someone said, he did what he did as a pure reaction to what others did, namely Ruby Ridge (Bush 41) and Waco (Clinton).

            2. And the main reason McVeigh and Terry Nichols were able to do what they did was precisely because they weren’t affiliated with any group. If they were, Linus Torvalds’s Law would have kicked in: Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow. Or, applied in this case, given enough ears and eyes, all terrorist conspiracy plots get called in to the authorities.

  • John

    I can understand why Rubio is supporting legislation in favor of his people and against the best interests of White conservatives. He is motivated by his ethnicity and hatred of Whites. As for McCain and Graham, I wonder how much they were paid to betray their race.

    • The__Bobster

      The usual suspects have threatened to reveal Grahamesty’s sexual proclivities if he doesn’t toe the line. MexCain is just nuts.

      • John

        All of these White “conservatives” are anything BUT conservative, hence the term “Republican in Name Only” (RINO). They are actually all traitors to normal, conservative Whites.
        Do you ever notice how some of the more prominent Republicans conduct their lives and rear their families in ways that are indistinguishable from leftists? For example, Jeb Bush is married to a Mestizo. Dick Cheney’s daughter is a lesbian. Juan “Amnesty” McShame’s wife and daughter are very pro-LGBT! Ronald Reagan approved mass amnesty of Mestizos. Paul Ryan dated a Black woman. Larry Craig engaged in homosexual sex in airport toilets! Pat Buchanan chose a female Black radical as his running mate! Newt Gingrich’s sordid private life, multiple marriages, and sex flings would make Slick Willie blush. Well, maybe I shouldn’t go that far, but you get the idea.
        Conservatives are represented in the U.S. government by far too many traitors who pretend to be conservatives! The reality is that the U.S. government is broken beyond repair and hasn’t functioned properly for many decades. The Democrats, of course, are the epitome of Marxists, fascists, communists, and totalitarians, but the Republicans have been the other side of the same coin for decades. When will this madness end? When will civilization be restored to normalcy and become habitable once again?

        • Tucker

          You nailed it, John. Excellent observations and an outstanding post.

    • Grim Jim

      Judas got 30 pieces of silver. McCain is a fiend and probably did it for free, Graham has to worry about all those Franklin Scandal files the ADL/SPLC has over his head. Rubio, his name says it all.

      • Nancy Thomas

        That summed it up nicely.

    • David Ashton

      With Rubio, look closely into his past activities, travels and friends, and “follow the money”.

    • iberianpride

      Rubio is White himself, he isn’t a mestizo/mexican.

    • Tucker

      I would submit to you, John – that McCain and Graham would not need to be paid even a nickel in order convince them to engage in race treason. I am convinced that these two rats are literally consumed with self-hatred for Whites, for their own race – and this is likely due to their Cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    • Bossman

      Are you implying that Rubio isn’t white? His skin sure looks white for a guy who isn’t white. He also looks very much like a white man. You guys need to get an education of what it means to be white in America. The short answer is: In the Americas, any one who looks white is white.. If that wasn’t the case, more than 50% of white people in North America and South America wouldn’t be white. For the first 300 years after the discovery of the Americas, mostly European bachelors came to America and most of them interbred with native women. From Canada to Argentina, the situation was the same.

      • Tucker

        Superficial appearances are never a wise basis upon which to form your opinions, Bossman. I’ve said this before – and it bears repeating. Whenever anyone has a mixture of ‘White European’ genes inside them, and have a smattering of non-European genes – such as Rubio, for example, I have yet to find even a single instance or case where the racial loyalty that arises from such a mixture will wind up favoring the White European portion of their genetic makeup.

        Same rule applies across the board. Jon Stewart. Tim Wise. Obama. The list could go on forever – in every case, the non-white genes overwhelm the White genes and the loyalty factor will favor the non-White side of the equation.

        This rule also applies to Whites who pick non-White spouses. They will side with their non-White partner on any issue or conflict that has a racial component to it.

  • Once granted probationary legal status, immigrants would be allowed to work

    And that would be ballgame. All other details are superfluous, or rather, deliberate distractions.

  • None of those senators are in my state, but as soon as I identify any Texas republican who acts like the clone of John McCain, I will vote him out of office, even if it means voting for Sheila Jackson Lee.

  • Barrack Osama

    The one party system at work.

  • IstvanIN

    At least the Austrians were allowed to vote on Anschluss with Germany. Our merger with Mexico was done without even our tacit approval.

    • Bobby

      Bingo. IstvanIN, understands the whole point of this struggle. When will thick-headed Americans ever understand that, THE ADMINISTRATION DOES NO WANT THE BORDERS CLOSED. iT HAS NO INTENTION OF SECURING THE BORDERS. Why? It’s a little thing called the NAFTA agreement. The NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT, proposed by Bush Sr. and hawked to a corrupt Congress used car salesman style,by none other than the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, William Jefferson(that’s a joke) CLINTON. What does the NAFTA agreement say? It says that its purpose is to PROVIDE FOR THE FREE MOVEMENT OF GOODS …AND…PEOPLE ACROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER. You see, Americans simply haven’t woken up to the fact to how badly they have been screwed. The little man with the bad hair cut, Ross Perot, warned Americans back in 1993 about this, but, as usual, Americans were preoccupied with other things, just as they are now, as the Congress and Senate betrays them again, led by people like John, “Americans wouldn’t pick lettuce for fifty dollars an hour “McCain, and Lindsay,”South Carolinians are bigots and haters”,(because they hate paying for the upkeep of illegal foreign nationals) GRAHAM. But remember, they are carrying out,NAFTA, right under the nose of American citizens. Now, back to baseball, basket ball, football, ice hockey, tennis, golf, shopping at the mall, going to the ‘beemer” dealership, or simply getting stoned. Forget it, Americans will never lift a finger to protest, ANYTHING BUT THE PRICE OF JIMMY DEAN SAUSAGE GOING UP. LOL…..

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    “Also unresolved are such politically charged topics as . . . how to pay for more Border Patrol officers, fencing and other security measures in an era of shrinking budgets.”


    The release of thousands of criminal aliens these past few days — despite huge, unused funds in the DHS budget — demonstrates how the “enforcement” provisions of any “comprehensive immigration reform” bill will be implemented — that is, with not a care in the world for the American people. Watch this powerful video below:

    Obama’s Sequester Release Frees Thousands of Foreign Criminals to American Streets
    By Brenda Walker on March 10, 2013

    [At the link, scroll down to 12-minute video of Judge Jeanine Pirro setting up the scope and nature of Obama administration plans to release criminal illegal liens and then interviewing Congressman Steve King and Arizona sheriff Paul Babeu on the lack of budgetary constraints and on the effects of the release]

  • Magnus

    This article should be titled, “Republican Senators Shoot Themselves in the Foot. Again.”
    As a political rightist, I didn’t vote for the Republican Party in the previous two presidential elections. My reason for doing so is because GOP has been instrumental in passing left-leaning legislation such as the hyper feminist VAWA and now amnesty for illegal aliens. Why the Republicans want to alienate and disgust their base by betraying conservatism is beyond me. As far as I’m concerned, the GOP is finished.

  • JohnEngelman

    That giant sucking sound you hear is the sound of third world immigrants being sucked in to compete with American citizens in an economy with persistently high unemployment.

    The people who own and run the United States are getting richer by importing cheap labor and exporting good jobs.

    • David Ashton

      So how can your “drab book-keeping” political system prevent such developments?

      • JohnEngelman

        Better than a dictatorship. You seem confident that a dictator would agree with you.

  • bigone4u

    The usual sellouts selling us out again: McCain, Graham, Rubio, Schumer, and Menendez. Instead of a plan to allow illegals to stay, the plan should be addressed to the most efficient way to send them back to their countries of origin: bus, back of a fleet of pickups, airplane, horseback, skateboard … I don’t care. Just head ’em up and move ’em out.

    • mobilebay

      No effort will be made to send illegals home anymore than to practice immigration “enforcement” rather than comprehensive immigration, which is amnesty, pure and simple.

    • Greg Thomas

      While they are at, they can send McCain, Graham, Rubio, Schumer, and Menendez since they love illegal invading mexicans so much.

      • Felix_M

        Might I suggest dropping them all out of the back of a C-141 flying over Mexico at 20,000 feet?

        No parachutes. With all the money we now give in benefits to illegal aliens, we simply can’t afford to give the Senators parachutes.

  • jay11

    German tribes were under pressure from invading Huns and felt unsafe in their lands. They were also mostly poor and envied the way of life south of the Rhine River. The Romans had built the greatest civilization in history at that time. Germans began migrating south in small bands and settling in towns and cities. Other Germans were brought in as cheap labor slaves, though the flow was trickling to a standstill given the declining campaigning by Roman armies in in the undeveloped barbarian lands.

    Corruption in Rome and in the major provinces led to dysfunctional government and wasted spending. Pressure was mounting for more cheap labor from the wealthy landowner classes, and the Roman military began asking for more soldiers to defend the weakening frontiers. Germans were being allowed to enter Roman military service, and soon entire legions of mostly Germans were patrolling the borders.

    Under greater pressure from Germanic tribes, the Roman government agreed to let entire tribes enter and settle in Roman lands. The only caveat was that the Germanic tribes had to disarm when they entered. Of course, no one checked on this, and the German tribes entered fully armed. So many came that entire regions were being Germanicized. German chiefs and nobles began to rise to political office, and many Roman generals were actually Germans.

    One Germanic general in the Roman Empire was passed up for a promotion. He got angry and led his mostly Germanic legion on an assault on Rome. Many Latin nobles and even some Roman military officers joined him, and in 476 Rome was sacked. Other Germainc tribes also arose in rebellion before and after that time. When they realized there was little Roman resistance to their attacks, theft, rape and slaughter, they went on the offensive everywhere.

    The Western Roman Empire was decimated by roving bands of barely civilized Germans such as the Vandals, Goths, Ostrogoths, Burgundians and many more. The Western Roman Empire collapsed, and little Germanic-dominated states arose ushering in the Dark Ages. It would be a long time before the descendants of those Barbarians became civilized themselves, and then they, building on a rediscovery of Roman and Greek knowledge, combined that with their dynamic Germanic political structures, and then they rebuilt civilization — and then went on to conquer the whole world!

    We are being invaded slowly, replaced in our own lands, and are the victims of corruption and self-haters who ally with those who would take over our own lands. The leaders of the colonizers are rising to positions of power over us, and more and more are coming in at the behest of both Right (cheap labor) and Left (socialist utopia-garbage). One day the colonizers will realize that we are powerless to stop them from taking over by force. That will be a hard day, and what is worse is that once we whites are gone, there will not be a people who can create a new shining city on a hill after us. (Asians cannot do it, so don’t go there.) Amnesty of the colonizers will be a disaster for Americans. It has all happened before. It must not happen again.

    • bigone4u

      This is a super great post that took you some time to write. Thanks. There is a lot here I did not know. There’s also a lot here applicable to us. What’s the old saying about learning from history or being doomed to repeat it?

    • cadmium

      The difference is the Germans and Gauls were as capable as Romans in ”civilised” )activities when ”Romanized”. And much of their technology was on par. The barbarians were more sophisticated than they are given credit for and in key areas were more civilised than Romans. For example, they didn’t dump unwanted babies on urban garbage piles.

      It’s true the Romans had a more polished urban and political system and literacy helped them incredibly, but it’s hard to say their behaviour was less barbaric when you consider they slaughtered a million Gauls and enslaved huge numbers. But their unity and intellectual culture was obviously missed.

      It’s an interesting situation though because it demonstrates how a different culture between essentially identical peoples can create large differences in outcome. It is the ultimate example of environment over nature in terms of human potential. And so it can be used by modern people to demonstrate that all you need is education etc. to raise everybody to a ”civilised” level.

      But of course this story didn’t involve genuine racial differences or even massive cultural differences. And I think it’s important to demonstrate that these ”barbarians” were actually highly developed in many areas including technology and weren’t really too far behind the most advanced society of the time. In other words, the signs were there they could rule Europe at a high level. (It’s sort of like when Europeans found the Japanese. The Japs were behind but they weren’t that far behind. And we know what happened there.) Obviously the same can’t be said of the peoples who are invading the West now. The best we can say is the muslims ran a civilisation of sorts. Just not one anybody wants to live in.

    • Bobby

      The Germanic tribes consisted of people who were far braver than any Roman legion. When they lost a battle, the women fighting right along side their men, they would slay their children and themselves to avoid serving some decadent Roman, which is what they had become by that time. It was a case of a stronger, braver, culture defeating one that had become utterly corrupt. Even today, the difference can be seen if one compares Germany with Italy,etc.

      • Bobby

        I must add, that having written the above comment on Jays post, I totally agree with everything else he wrote, which I believe is 100% accurate. We are being defeated by traitors from within as never before. I’ve often been of the opinion, that if a nationalist government should by some miracle ever seize power in the U.S., the airports, seaports, and trainstations, including highways, would be filled with people trying to escape the consequences of their treasonous actions towards American citizens. Certainly the members of Congress and the Senate would be on this list, for constantly betraying American citizens, but probably so would many many other traitors–in Hollywood, big business, local governments as well as corporate criminals.

  • The__Bobster
    Lindsey Graham Dodging Constituents: Gang Of 8 Dodging America. Are They Flinching?
    By Patrick Cleburne on March 10, 2013 at 2:06pm

    Numbers USA has produced an informative story: Lindsey Graham (Quisling-SC) doing everything possible to avoid constituents By Melanie Oubre Friday March 8, 2013

    Since all of this immigration reform talk started, Lindsey Graham has not held a town hall in South Carolina to get his constituents’ views on the issue. He has not done a survey through his Congressional website on immigration either.

    The reason for this is obvious: Senator Graham already knows where his constituents stand on amnesty. They don’t want it. And he doesn’t care

    (Because this is not about votes –it’s about money. Maybe eventually the gentle people at NumbersUSA will get annoyed enough to say this.)
    The story has more useful information:

    The Senate’s Gang of 8, which also includes Senators John McCain and Marco Rubio, has not actually introduced a bill yet. They set a self-imposed deadline of March 21st to get a bill written and introduced..

    On Tuesday, they changed the plan. The Associated Press reported that the group will not meet their deadline, and instead the American people should expect a bill after the recess in April.

    Senator Graham is being very honest on why they did this. From the AP story:
    “The legislation is certain to be controversial and may spark passionate opposition from lawmakers’ constituents at town halls and elsewhere. Such opposition helped sink the last congressional attempt at overhauling immigration laws, in 2007. So even if it were finished in time, Graham said it wasn’t a good idea to release the bill before a two-week recess. “You don’t want to leave it hanging out for two weeks to get shot up,” he said.”

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    The way to get these Dem and Rep cretins running for cover is to simply ask, “So you give amnesty to millions of illegals, before legal immigrants and against the majority of citizens… now the day after this happens more illegals arrive… what do you do with them? You have two choices; say that there will never be anymore amnesties and these people will be deported or… that they will simply be in line for the next amnesty.” Watch them say… um… well…

    Why doesn’t anyone challenge them with the obvious?

    At this point in this sorry state of affairs I would probably agree to amnesty if it meant that immigration to the US was forever over and anyone trying to enter illegally will be shot on sight just as every other country does.

    We don’t need fences, we just need snipers every few thousand yards with night vision.

  • jambi19

    “Once granted probationary legal status, immigrants would be allowed to work but would be barred from receiving federal public benefits, including food stamps, family cash assistance, Medicaid and unemployment insurance.” If you believe this you are the definition of gullible.

    • Jss

      My thoughts exactly. Im sure collecting their freebies will be just as difficult for them as voting is.

    • Greg Thomas

      They already collect ALL such benefits through their pseudo-American anchor babies. It will be business as usual.

  • Athling

    It makes no difference what the details are. The end result is the same. Millions of well educated older white Americans will be replaced with functionally illiterate Third Worlders. Then their children and add in family reunification programs pulling in ever more Guatemalans and what have you, producing an enormous drain on the economy, sociocultural conflict, vanishing entry-level and construction jobs for American citizens, the list goes on….

    Senor Rubio I can understand but country and race traitors MexCain and Grahamnesty should be made to answer for this!

  • Fed Up

    The BEST SOLUTION — drive all illegal immigrants back across the border. Then sow a billion landmines and anti-personnel mines inside the border fence. After a few dozen deaths, the Mexicans will realize we don’t welcome them.

    • mobilebay

      They already know, Fed Up, they just don’t care. Neither do the leaders of Mexico. For years, they have encourged their people to invade us. They have a false sense of entitlement which is aided and abetted by our government. It’s even more disgusting to realize that we’ve surrendered to the collective third world beyond our borders, when we remember that we were once the greastest nation on earth.

  • Bobbala

    The US desperately needs a second political party.

    • Michael Harreskov

      Constitution, Libertarian, Modern Whig and American Freedom Party ??????

  • Rubio for President: Because whites just don’t matter anymore.

  • Joseph

    Even if we all *liked* these proposed rules they could immediately be changed by the HNIC on a whim via one of his infamous Exec Orders or PDD’s . Also, the next congress could throw it all out and declare them all eligible for immediate citizenship application as far as I can tell. They lied about this one-time exception decades ago, they lied about the budget deal, they lied about healthcare and they are lying now. The GOP isn’t going to wait for 10 years to get their imagined votes out of these invaders. Their math is failing to; for every 10 Hispanic voters the Repubs get maybe 3. Let’s hurry and make Puerto Rico a state too.

    This is party suicide.

  • Shattered

  • libertarian 1234

    Who on earth is responsible for putting McCain and Graham on the panel to represent the Republicans?
    They could be replaced with two mainline Democrats and the outcome would be the same.

  • IKantunderstand

    This is one of the main reasons the GOP has to die. They truly are stupid. No more immigrants. Period. No legal. No illegal. NO MORE. We need a new party. This old GOP will not respond to our needs. They are as entrenched as the Dems. We need a Tea Party on steroids. We need stirring words, from a patriot who is willing to lead. Our government , for whom many of us and our ancestors have sacrificed so much, is willfully set upon a course to exterminate us. All of us. I’m sure they would prefer if we just went along as sheep to the slaughter; in this case, slaughter taking the form of miscegenation. This is our choice: Die fighting for our freedoms and the country our ancestors founded and built, or give into our slave status. Is there enough of our fighting founding stock left in this melted down piece of crap pot to fight for our rights as Whites? What happened to the whole European fighting spirit? We are the proud descendants of warriors! The fiercest warriors ever seen on the face of the Earth. Let the battle for the country begin. Of course, I’m talking about votes.

    • No, they are not stupid. They are intentional, hypocritical and most definitely self-serving. It’s no secret that the mechanisms that run both parties have their strings pulled by the same puppet-masters. A parasite isn’t really stupid, because it does what it does simply because it is a parasite.

      Never expect good things from bad people and you’ll never be disappointed.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    According to aides familiar with the closed-door negotiations…

    Keep the details secret from the public, pass it quietly in the middle of the night…Why does this sound so familiar?

    This legislations is a tactic straight out of Alinsky’s handbook: Destroy the middle class. Alinsky referred to the middle class as “the enemy”, believing they had too much political power and used up too much of the earth’s resources.

    Megalomaniacs and tyrants like obama know that if the middle class is eliminated, so goes liberty, making it easy to consolidate absolute power.

    As for Rubio:

    Who here is surprised? For him, it was always about amnesty. He joined forces with McCain and collaborated with Schumer and Durbin.

    GOP = Hasta La Vista, Baby!!

    Welcome permanent super Dem majority, ever expanding government, 70 million new American citizens thorough amnesty and “family reunification.”

    Make that Hasta La Vista, USA.

    a bipartisan bill

    “Bi-partisan means that some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.”

    — George Carlin


  • JohnEngelman

    Democrats are torn individually (a state I share). On one side, they favor helping those in need, which inclines them to look sympathetically on immigrants; plus they’re relatively open to a multicultural, multiracial society. I know that when I look at today’s Mexicans and Central Americans, they seem to me fundamentally the same as my grandparents seeking a better life in America.

    On the other side, however, open immigration can’t coexist with a strong social safety net; if you’re going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can’t make that offer global.

    So Democrats have mixed feelings about immigration; in fact, it’s an agonizing issue.

    Republicans, on the other hand, either love immigration or hate it. The business-friendly wing of the party likes inexpensive workers (and would really enjoy a huge guest-worker program that would both provide such workers and ensure that they can neither vote nor, in practice, unionize). But the cultural/nativist/tribal conservatives hate having these alien-looking, alien-sounding people on American soil.

    – Paul Krugman, from “The Curious Politics of Immigration”

    Paul Krugman is my favorite columnist. However, here he overlooks the legitimate concerns “the cultural/nativist/tribal conservatives” have about crime and downward pressure on their wages.

  • prettycelticwarrior

    …well, all the while the drug resistant TB is spreading to innocent Americans. These illegal immigrants are not only a financial burden they are a serious health concern! Innocent Americans are getting infected and dying!

  • Felix_M

    -how to offer legal status to the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants.
    This has been the same number they’ve been saying since 2006. It is a lot higher. The only thing I can figure is that this is the way our “leaders” are going to slip the North American Union passed us.

  • scutum1

    to Jay 11: And when unable to control the large number of Germans who had settled in the empire the Romans invited in the Huns as ‘Foederati” or mercenary soldiers. We all know how this policy turned out. I would also like to point out that the Roman Empire was quite different from the Republic and resembles modern America in many ways.

  • Tinfoil A22hat

    The sea of sludge is now lapping at our waist. Ha lame pun

  • freespeechzone

    The country IS lost—both sides of the aisle are more than willing to favor the interests of illegals over citizens in order to keep their power.

    Furthermore, politicians KNOW that too many citizens are complacent and will not take a hard stand to stop wholesale illegal amnesty.

    We are doomed….