Does Juan Williams Really Want “Honest Discussion?”

Jason Daugherty, American Renaissance, February 3, 2012

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  • Anonymous

    The question is do Whties want an honest discussion of race.

    • Anonymous

      You’re posting on a forum frequented by dozens of regulars practically starving for one.  Be careful what you wish for.

      • Anonymous

        I welcome such a discussion.

        • Anonymous

          Well here I am, what are you waiting for?

          • Anonymous

            I was just calling out radical7 because I knew that person has nothing to offer other than:

            Whites get drunk and beat people up too (about once to every 100 Black polar bear/knockout king incidents)

            White celebrities get divorced too (which is true but a complete whiff at getting the point of the discussion regarding Seal and Heidi Klum).

            The absolute last thing radical7 wants is an unshackled race discussion backed by facts, data and reason.

          • Anonymous
      • Anonymous

        I am not sure that you could handle the honest truth.

        • Anonymous

          LOL.   Great comebacks!   Right up there with, “I know  you are but what am I”

          You’ve given us a lot to consider.     

        • Anonymous

          It’s kind of you to look out for my well-being, but rest assured I’d have you for lunch radical7, and I’m far from the most-capable debater that frequents this page.  You should be glad it’s me you’re dealing with and not someone like QD or Bon.

          Please feel free to start us off, there are volumes of material on this site alone on which you should be able to give us “the honest truth.” I’d love to hear your opinions.

          You’re going to need to string together more than 15 words in your comments though or you’re not going to get very far.

          • What he means by “honesty” here, does radical7, (see also:  Holder, E.) is white leftist self-flagellation. 

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, but a huge portion of the population agrees with the fetid system in place……in fact they firmly support it.

        It is a cult……..the Multi-Culti cult.

    • Marcy Fleming

      As you said blacks are the last ones to want an honest discussion about race but white trash leftists are close behind them.

  • Anonymous

    Seems to me that the words “honest debate” are simply “code-words” for “how can we justify further entitlements to minorities?”.

    • Anonymous

      The underlying assumption about an “honest debate” is that there should be a moderated debate in which the only acceptable topics concern how whites are guilty for the problems of blacks, and sacrifices we can make to assuage our guilt. 
       
      I would love for there to be a dialogue on race if opinions expressed here can be expressed there without fear of economic or social sanctions. 

      • Marcy Fleming

        Don’t hold your breath……………………

  • Anonymous

    I agree, I just wanted to test radical7 and see how much that person was willing to bite off.

    Obviously not much.

  • Anonymous

    An honest discussion of racial problems in the United States would include a candid and public discussion of black social pathology. Right now it is dangerous for  most people to discuss black crime, black illegitimacy, and inferior black intellectual performance unless those who raise the issues maintain that whites are responsible. 

    • Anonymous

      An honest discussion about racial problems in the United States would include the economic, educational, environmental, political and other forms of systematic discrimination and violence against people of color in this nation.

      • Anonymous

        First of all, thank you for responding to my comment. I regret the fact that viewpoints like yours are rarely posted here. I hope you keep posting.
         
        However, I believe that discrimination in favor of blacks from affirmative action policies is more prevalent than discrimination against them.  Discrimination on the basis of what correlates with race, such as felony convictions, and mental aptitude test scores is appropriate.
         
        Moreover, blacks are far more likely to be the perpetrators of inter racial violence than its victims.  
         
        A young black man who takes a walk in a white neighborhood after dark will probably have his feelings hurt. As he walks down the street car windows will roll up. Car doors will lock. People will cross the street to avoid his approach. Children will be told to stop playing and come inside. Nevertheless, he almost certainly will not be harmed physically.
         
        A white person who takes a walk in a black neighborhood even during the day time stands a good chance of being mugged, robbed at gun point, or perhaps killed. 

        • Anonymous

          A young black man who takes a walk in a white neighborhood after dark will probably have his feelings hurt. As he walks down the street car windows will roll up. Car doors will lock. People will cross the street to avoid his approach. Children will be told to stop playing and come inside. Nevertheless, he almost certainly will not be harmed physically.

          First off, thank you for acknowledging my post. I would have to disagree with you to some extent. The fact is that a young Black man would most likely find himself in considerable danger if he found himself on the wrong side of town at night. Howard Beach, Bensonhurst  and countless other examples have been the case.

          • Anonymous

            On August 23, 1989, a 16-year-old African-American named Yusuf Hawkins was shot and
            killed in Bensonhurst, after he and three friends had been attacked by a group
            of mostly Italian-American youths. At least four neighborhood residents were
            tried and convicted of charges related to the assault and murder.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bensonhurst,_Brooklyn#Murder_of_Yusuf_Hawkins 
             
            At approximately midnight on December 20, 1986, three African-American men,
            Michael Griffith, 24, Cedric Sandiford, 36, and Timothy Grimes, 20, entered New
            Park Pizzeria on Cross Bay Boulevard after their car had
            broken down in Broad Channel. By some eyewitness accounts, a
            teen driver in a passing car yelled a racial epithet at the men and a verbal
            altercation ensued. Three of these teens later returned with seven to nine
            friends aged fifteen to eighteen.[5] The three black men
            fled, pursued by the teens. Grimes escaped unscathed, while Sandiford was caught
            and assaulted with baseball bats, tree limbs, and fists. Griffith was killed
            when a car ran over him on the Belt Parkway where he had run while attempting
            escape.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Beach,_Queens
             
            Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery. 
            http://colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html  
             
            What happened at Bensonhurst and Howard Beach was so unusual that it made national news and is still remembered. Black crimes against whites happen every day. 
             

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Is there a reason, a GOOD reason why Whites roll up their windows, lock their doors or cross the street if they see a black male approaching?

            YES.  Doing so may save their lives!  According to the statistic that Mr. Engelman provided (based on FBI and DOJ info) blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a crime against a White than vice versa.  

            Let’s see, Political Correctness, risking my life, based on “hurting someone’s feelings” or statistical reality?  I’ll take the STAT!!

            The media refuse to report black-on-White crimes, refuse to report that violent flash mobs are black, refuse to report that Whites are vulnerable to black crime.  The government refuses  to press hate crimes charges against blacks for assaults on Whites.

            Why is that, do you suppose?  Does that seem fair to you?  We are all supposed to be equal under the law in the US.

            Why did Holder let the club-wielding NBP get away with intimidating Whites at a polling venue in violation of federal laws? Why did Holder tell the Senate Judiciary Committee that a new hate bill does not protect Whites or heterosexuals, but only favored groups?  According to Holder, some “groups” are more equal than others.

            How many of these cases were reported in any media anywhere except locally.  I know of none of them except through the Internet — yet the Duke non-rape case was front page, above the fold news all the way out here on the West Coast 24/7 for months on end.  

            The Knoxville Horror is one of many examples of this Greatest Story Never Told

            http://tinyurl.com/6r7degp

            Here are a few more:

            Black serial Killer thought to have murdered up to 100 young White women:

            http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/01/serial-killer-murders-100-white-women.html

            The sexual homicide of 30 elderly White women by black serial killer;

            http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/01/black-thug-raped-and-murdered-30.html

            White family of 4 burned alive in brutal home invasion:

            http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/01/family-of-four-burned-alive-after.html

            The Pearcy Massacre

            http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/01/family-murdered-in-arkansas-home_6499.html

            The Wichita Massacre as well:

            http://www.wichita-massacre.com/

            De Mau Mau Murders in the Chicago area.12 Whites murdered:

            http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2011/12/black-gang-murders-12-whites-in.html

            And that is just for starters.So, yes, I’d say we Whites have good reason to avoid black males whenever possible and when not possible to lock our doors, roll up our windows and arm ourselves with dearly force, lest we too end up in a list posted on pro-White forums, ignored by the governmedia.

            Bon

          • Marcy Fleming

            Nothing compared to what whites face daily from blacks, not even a drop in the ocean.

        • Marcy Fleming

          You regret that semi-literate tired old Communist rants that are anything but radical are not posted on here more often ?!

      • Marcy Fleming

        No, it would include the last 150 years of criminal Black sociopathology and the staggering costs to our nation.
        Blacks owe US reparations.

    • Marcy Fleming

      Finally we agree !

  • Anonymous

    I will not be possible to lie forever. 

    • Marcy Fleming

      Let’s hope that’s true.

  • Anonymous

    And the Libertarian – Constitutionalist champion Ron Paul announced at the South Carolina GOP debate that this was caused by the blatantly RACISt, anti Black US criminal justice system!

    I urge all American Renaissance readers to get out, get away from this Libertarian cult. 

    We are racial realists and we also take the White side – our side.

    We show “Kindness” to our own kind.

    We’re also firm but fair with other races – but we don’t pander or show fear.

    Unfortunately Ron Paul has been pandering to Blacks, Hispanic immigrants, even sucking up to the MSM – mainstream media just to have more time on TV to try to sell his race denying libertarian philosophy that’s been a sure fire loser in Presidential elections for – well, forever.

  • Anonymous

    I for one am PROUD to be a “racial realist”.  If that makes me a “racist” in some eyes, I DON’T CARE. . . .
    At a well-known “institution of higher learning” a number of years ago, some enterprising black “students” came up with a slogan that was put on T-shirts “Black by popular demand”. 
    Some enterprising white students also came up with a T-shirt slogan “Thank God, I’m White” . . .
    Guess who got flack for their T-shirts?

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I wish Amren would brand t-shirts and such. I know that is probably too “low brow”  but still they would sell and spread the word. I would buy them. Sites like Cafe Press do all the work, send them the graphics, choose the products, and for no charge to the seller they print out and ship t-shirts, sweatshirts,  mousepads, etc…while giving the seller a percentage of the profit.

      Just a thought. Yes Amren is jackets and ties but in real life many wear t-shirts and sweatshirts to the grocery store.

    • Marcy Fleming

      Non-Rad7, you really need to get some new lines.

  • Anonymous

    One interesting thing about Newt’s appearances is that he is surrounded exclusively by Whites. The rallies, the groups of people sitting behind him, all White.  That is most definitely intentional, Obama’s team used to hand pick individuals from the crowd so he was constantly surrounded by all races. No doubt Newt could hire some ethnics if he wanted to appeal to the diversity crowd.

    This video shows him surrounded by children saying “it is their country, their future” and they are ALL White. Definitely a strong message.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a66F-BwFKw

  • Bill Kristol is an h1-b visa supporter.  I stopped listening to him the second he said on Brett Bair that we “need” indians ’cause “We” are just too stupid.  Americans can’t do the Jobs that White People created was his message.

    kristol said “we NEED h1-b” and for that, I call him a Traitor.

  • Anonymous

    Repost, Disqus is being difficult.

    One thing I noticed is that Newt is always surrounded by White only crowds.  Obama’s team made sure to have him surrounded by a diverse crowd and they would handpick people based on race.  If Newt wanted to appeal to the diverse crowd he could always hire a few.

    Here is a video of him surrounded by the children of supporters, he says “this is their country, their future” and all of the kids are White. That is a strong statement.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a66F-BwFKw

    • Almost all Republicans are surrounded by crowds that are almost all white.  That’s nothing particular to Newt. Even the non-white Republicans have almost all white crowds and get almost exclusively white votes.

      • Anonymous

        The kids were ALL White. That was not by accident, these things are choreographed. If Newt wants to pander to me I am willing to listen. It is about time someone overtly pandered to Whites.

        • Anonymous

          I have had many strong disagreements with Newt Gingrich over the years, but I have to admit that I really enjoyed watching his put Juan Williams in his place.  I watched the video twice, the second time with the sound turned off so that I could focus on the nonverbal communication.

          Juan tried to racially manipulate Newt, and Newt was having none of that.  Juan was practically glaring at Newt and broadcasting a certain attitude with his “can’t you see that…”    Juan and every other mendacious liberal-lefty out there expect white people – especially white men – to buckle under whenever they play the race card.  They are surprised and angry whenever we refuse to knuckle under to their emotional extortion.

          I loved it when he said, “I know that among the politically correct you’re not supposed to use facts that are uncomfortable.”   Laughter erupted from the audience at that point because every white Southerner knows exactly what he’s getting at.

          Newt looked smart, strong, sincere and presidential.  No wonder he got a standing ovation from the audience and first place in the primary.

          If you could create a candidate that had Newt’s strong style, Ron Paul’s devotion to liberty, Romney’s presidential composure, and Tancredo’s understanding of immigration, then that candidate would get my vote.

          • Anonymous

            While I have serious reservations regarding Newt his strong charasmatic speaking style could be important when he goes up against Obama.  Romney comes off as  jittery and defensive when he is put under pressure.  The presidential debates do affect the opinions of many undecided voters, or in the case of McCain the debates may turn people off to the point they won’t vote at all.

          • Anonymous

            “I really enjoyed watching his put Juan Williams in his place.”

            Such a comment is most troublng. This is classic pre 1960s blatant, racist talk. I guess Juan Williams was too “uppity” for you as well?

          • Beloved Comrade

            I am no Newt fan but his best line to Williams was this one:

            I am tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans.

            Good to see the race baiting, ego-driving, sloppy journalist put in his place.

          • Anonymous

            “I really enjoyed watching his put Juan Williams in his place.”

            “Such
            a comment is most troublng. This is classic pre 1960s blatant, racist
            talk. I guess Juan Williams was too “uppity” for you as well?”

            See that’s the problem with people like you.
            You immediately assume there’s a racial component to the term “putting one in his place”.
            If it was said regarding a white person, which I personally have used that term many times regarding clueless white libs, you wouldn’t have noticed.
            Because it was directed at a black person, it’s not allowed.
            Blacks have got to be the most fragile wussy race on the planet, and for that, I blame white liberals.
            I’ve said it many times, it’s not equality blacks are after, it’s specialty.

          • Marcy Fleming

            I’m for Paul but I loved Newt on this one !

        • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    No  Juan does not want an honest discussion about race.  If you quoted black on white crime stats to him he would likely call you a racist.  

    Larry Elder is honest on this subject.

    • Anonymous

      Larry Elder is a intellectually dishonest Black man who tells bigoted, insecure Whites what they want to hear.  In some ways, it is amusing , because it is Blacks like him who manipulate racist Whites while at the same time, profit  off the financial rewards that such Whites are willing to provide them for espousing such nonsensical rhetoric.

      • Anonymous

        See here it is, Larry Elder is an “Uncle Tom.”  How else could he have succeeded in the White world?  He must have pandered and told the honkys what they wanted to hear. 

        Blacks refuse to accept the concept of merit.  They think that White people advance themselves through a crony system, and that if a Black person succeeds within the White system it must have been through some form of pandering.

      • Anonymous

        Dishonest?  Here’s a video of Larry Elders discussing the facts of race and crime with Tavis Smiley.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNVDH-CzEAk   Can you identify any specific statement he makes that is false?

      • Marcy Fleming

        Larry tells the exact truth about the ten things in America that we are not supposed to say, particularly that blacks are far more ‘racist’ than whites. It’s interesting that you can’t find any arguments to refute him, just committing the same old ad hominem fallacy over again.
        NON-radical 7, sorry about your self-hatred.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Mr. Williams called for an ‘honest debate.’
    You can stop right there.  Juan Williams does NOT want an “honest debate”,  he wants to lecture , tell us to shut up and open our wallets.
    To help our own deficit problems, we just have to tax people
    For Juan, everything is about White oppression even though despite decades of openly anti-White legislation, Whites are still able to keep blacks down.
    Image #1:  According to Juan Williams, these two, Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, are examples of White racists and oppressors.
    Image #2:  And these are examples of those kept down by racist Whites.

  • Racial code words as interpreted by insane race hucksters like Juan Williams:What is said. = What lunatics like Juan Williams hear.”Have a nice day.” = “You can’t work here negro!!!””Hello, how are you?” = “What’re you doing in this neighborhood negro?!!!””No racial preferences nor discrimination of any kind, please.” = “Let’s screw over the darkees!!!””Voter ID please.” = “We’re not gonna let you vote (five times) negro!!!””Please stop with the daily swarm beatings on white people already.” = “We’re gonna bring back Jim Crow, negro!!!”You can’t win with these race hucksters because they are deranged and have already decided you’re evil just because you’re white. And their core belief in presuming you’re evil is how they justify being evil towards you without any objective, real provocation whatsoever.

    • Anonymous

      Te fact is that if Obama loses the election, it will be highly probable that legislation will be implemented by conservative s in congress to overturn the 1964 civil rights act, 1965 voting rights act, end affirmative action, give police officers the freedom to engage in gestapo like tactics to shoot and murder Black and Hispanic citizens with impunity etc… It will be a frightening state of affairs  

      • Anonymous

        You’re just trying to be provocative now radical7.
        You know you don’t have a leg to stand on regarding a cogent argument about race so you’re using hyperbole to skirt the issue.
        Typical leftist tactics.

        • Anonymous

          Actually, I am just being honest.

          • Marcy Fleming

            DISHONEST is what you are to a T.

      • Sounds like I need to keep some champagne on ice.  The end of the Voter Fraud Act of 1965 and affirmative action?  Those are the occasions for a party.  At the very least, they’re a feature, not a bug.

        • Anonymous

          The fact that you would take perverse pleasure in the politcal and economic oppression of non-Whites demonstrates a degreeof sadistic callousness on your part  

          • Make that expensive champagne, with some of that unearned white privilege caviar on the side.

          • Anonymous

            You think that our demands for the restoration of freedom of association and property rights means that we are out to oppress non-whites. 

            I’m not demanding that laws be passed requiring blacks to sit at the back of the bus, or that whites be given preference in jobs and contracts.  We’re not the ones asking that objective standards be lowered in order to get more whites into professional basketball and football. 

            I simply want the right to live and work with my own kind.  Why does black happiness depend on being near whites? Why does black academic success depend on whether their kids sit in the same classroom as white kids?

            How is it that a Congressional Black Congress can exist, reject non-blacks as members, and continue to meet on public property? How the hell is that not illegal?

          • Marcy Fleming

            You are projecting to the rest of us your leftist, Blackophile fantasies.

      • Anonymous

        I wish, troll, but mainstream conservatives are such cowards.

        • Anonymous

          You can call the truth trolling if you wish, but it is what it is.

          • Anonymous

            How many people here do you think believe in your leftarded and easily refuted version of the truth?

            Want to take a poll? Remember that you’re not in a classroom filled with brainwashed or intimidated college students.

          • Marcy Fleming

            Troll is a meaningless term but what you wrote was far from truth.

      • Anonymous

        What about Jim Crow laws? Will they bring those back too? Your comments are pure fantasy but it really is rather nice to imagine that happening.

      • What a bunch of hogwash.   The GOP were the ones who voted IN the civil rights act and voting rights act.    You’re an idiot troll r7. 

      • Anonymous

        Why didn’t this happen when the Republicans held the entire legislature and the White House under the Bush Administration?

      • Anonymous

        You really believe that?  Republicans have generally shown no interest in repealing the Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, etc.  Did they try that the last few times when the Republicans controlled the White House and Congress? No. So what makes you think that they’d try it next time? 

        And my remark about Newt putting Juan in his place, I would have phrased it the same way had Juan been white.  You people see racial overtones everywhere.  You probably see a racial overtone in what I am saying right now (“you people”) even though I have no idea whether you are black or white or Asian or whatever.

        By the way, welcome to American Renaissance.  Many of us enjoy the dialogue with our philosophical opponents.

      • Rocky Mountain

        I don’t foresee any significant political support or will that would result in the overturn of the 1964 Civil Rights Act or any of the others. 

        • Marcy Fleming

          Unfortunately true at present but things can change.

      • Marcy Fleming

        Sounds great to me !

    • Marcy Fleming

      Exactly.

  • MCPH1

    another elementary question is if the main idea of the civil rights era and the ideology related to it is beyond any doubt.
    this main idea is that blacks need to be included in the society because of a kind of eternal right. they need to live in the same regions, have to have the chance to do the same work, have to benefit of the blessings of a modern industrial or postindustrial society concerning food, health care, tranportation, acces to technology and education…i think america was build up by europaen americans who did it for their own offspring.
    one has to take into account the crimes which europeans did to subsaharan africans in the time of slavery. but the compensation had not necessary have to be full integration and inclusion

  • MCPH!

    there is this Kennedy quote: “We cannot negotiate with those who say, “What`s mine is mine and what`s yours is negotiable”” it perfectly describes why such a “honest discussion” won´t be possible

  • I doubt he does.

  • Anonymous

    It did alot for White women.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    As a White man, I think it is important to acknowledge the contributions Blacks have made to the United States.  200-300 years of free labor catapulted the United States into an economic super power. 
    Slavery did not contribute to the United States becoming an economic super power; it was because of the Constitution and Bill of Rights that the US became an economic superpower, something we are losing as the founding documents of the US are torn to shreds, making us ever more vulnerable to the whims of power-hungry politicians like 0bama who believe in “made up” political law over natural law.

    A nation’s economic system is a result of its legal system.

    OR:

    Economics follows law.

    The Founding Fathers sought liberty, not freedom, liberty, which Webster’s defines as :  
    the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views.The Constitution, written by BRILLIANT Dead White Men, was a revolutionary document in that it spells out what the government can and cannot do; the body of the Constitution tells the federal government what it is allowed to do, the Bill of Rights tells the federal government what it is not allowed to do.
    It is because of White men who believed in natural, NOT political law, that the US became the freest, richest most prosperous country the world has ever seen, not because of black stoop labor in the cotton fields of the South that may have enriched it during that time period.   

    Adherence to law, limited government and free markets create an environment in which the human spirit is unleashed, in which humans are able to achieve and excel.

    Nations where the Rule of Law is more widely obeyed by everyone including government officials (“all men are created equal”)  are those that have higher incomes, less poverty, less crime, longer life spans, better health, more literacy.  

    Where would you rather live? — the US or Zimbawe?  New Zealand or Iraq?  Australia or Ethiopia?  Russia?  When other societies such as South Korea and Japan have adopted Western political principles, their citizens have flourished. 

    Go back and re-read the definition of liberty and notice how much “we the people” have lost over the past 50 years as the Founding Fathers are vilified and demonized by school textbooks as “dead White slave holders” and the Constitution is ripped asunder and sneered at as an “old worthless document written for a country that no longer exists” — as the government increasingly  legislates against American citizens’ freedom such as the “creation” of The “Patriot” Act  and Homeland Security.

    This, as we and the British, upon whose laws the Constitution was based (British Common Law) descend into increasing totalitarian police states ruled over by a hostile elite.

    Without any constraints on government power, we will descend into the world of Thomas Hobbs, of endless wars, grinding poverty, limited human rights and stagnant societies.

    Bon

    • Marcy Fleming

      Great, Bon. The God Of The Machine by Isabel Paterson and How Capitalism Saved America by Thomas DiLorenzo are great works
      that fully support your profound thoughts here.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Thanks for you kind words.

        I don’t think Srdenis or radical7 are able to understand one word of it.

        The only thing they and others of their ilk understand are one-line Marxist slogans.

        Bon

  • Rocky Mountain

    It’s good to keep reminding people here that there are high-achieving black people who may, at times, feel a bit painted into the corner of ethnic identification.  Having lived in close proximity to a lot of poor white people its not easy for the bright ones to get out of thier environment either. The debate about failing schools and low achievement through the Mid-Rockies wouldn’t be about black people.

    • Marcy Fleming

      More likely they live in close proximity to stupid blacks.

  • Marcy Fleming

    I did and he’s still a professional black with a very large chip on his shoulder.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Your last sentence must be tongue-in-cheek as groups have despised each other since the dawn of history.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Reply to “radical” 7, it did a lot for undeserving white women. Hillary’s a great example.
    By the way, there’s nothing ‘radical’ about your very mainstream Communist garbage.

  • Marcy Fleming

    It’s postjudice, not prejudice.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Engelman’s last sentence above says it all.

  • Marcy Fleming

    Your Marxist anti-history is pure garbage. Slave labor never made any contributions to building an advanced industrial, it failed in the South and it failed in Mao’s China. Only by going to capitalism in economics has China made any progress. Those low wages to you seem like paradise to the Chinese receiving them.
    The very low productivity of slaves in the South was the ultimate reason for their loss in the War.
    Blacks were sold into slavery by other blacks and if they weren’t brought over here as slaves do you know how many tens of millions would have died at the ends of their fellow blacks in Africa since 1960 alone !
    Races are different, whites do not have the same limitations that blacks as a group have, see The Bell Curve for starters. There are obvious exceptions that prove the rule.
    It wasn’t corruption and deceit that built the greatest, freest country in the history of mankind but is those qualities which are destroying it through brainwashed products of miseducation like you.

  • Marcy Fleming

    A great response to jackellis. Tired of his anti-individualism nonsense.