The Crucifixion of Tim Tebow

Paul Kersey, Takimag, January 4, 2012

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His name is Tim Tebow, whose battle is the cultural war that so many conservatives claimed to have fought during the 1980s, 90s, and even to this day.

{snip} In 1992, Vice President Dan Quayle could voice opposition to the eponymous character of Murphy Brown for having a child out of wedlock.

In 2011, the show Glee—with scant opposition—broadcast an episode with a gay sex scene. Few examples illustrate the left’s victory better than watching 10 minutes of a random Glee episode.

Only twice during the cultural wars has the left really slipped up. Once was during 2004’s disastrous attack on Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ, when the fury coming from the punditry class mobilized a remnant of what Sam Francis dubbed Middle American Radicals (MARs) to rally behind the film and help make Mad Max a mega-millionaire.

The other leftist slip-up has been Tim Tebow. {snip} Quarterbacking the Denver Broncos from the AFC West cellar to a playoff bid, Tebow has been a catalyst for the same type of vitriolic attacks that Gibson’s depiction of the crucifixion endured.

By being a public face for the side that so thoroughly lost the cultural wars, the son of Christian missionaries—whose mother was told by a doctor he should be aborted because of complications during her pregnancy—has been attacked with extreme prejudice by the victorious side.

Bill Maher recently tweeted this after Tebow tossed four interceptions in the Broncos’ second consecutive loss:

“Wow, Jesus just f**ked #TimTebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere … Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler “Hey, Buffalo’s killing them.”

“Tebowing” is a derogatory term for when Tim gets on one knee and prays after a big play or victory during a game. Would the NFL allow players to mock Tebow if he was a Muslim? Would the media mock him?

But because Christianity—especially public displays of it—is viewed as an anachronism in the world the left controls, Tebow is fair game.

Maher understands that occasionally poking and prodding the cultural war’s losers is good for business, but he doesn’t realize how much Tebow has connected with your typical MARs who don’t follow football but bought ten tickets to see The Passion of the Christ.

As with Gibson, companies that invested in Tebow are seeing a huge return on investment.

Borrowing a page out of the primarily Jewish attacks on Gibson for producing a reputedly anti-Semitic film, Rabbi Joshua Hammerman wrote in The Jewish Week:

If Tebow wins the Super Bowl, against all odds, it will buoy his faithful, and emboldened faithful can do insane things, like burning mosques, bashing gays and indiscriminately banishing immigrants. While America has become more inclusive since Jerry Falwell’s first political forays, a Tebow triumph could set those efforts back considerably.

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One should ask Rabbi Hammerman what type of worldview he envisions without pesky types such as Tebow. Is it one where white, heterosexual Christians are bashed without fear of reprisal?

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{snip} By his mere existence, and seeing the huge reaction he receives (and the merchandise he is moving all across the country), Tim Tebow’s polarizing popularity shows that the cultural wars are perhaps not over after all.

Some football purists scoff at the idea of a quarterback with Tebow’s skill set (Tim runs the ball more than your normal drop-back passing QB) succeeding in the NFL, but since he replaced Kyle Orton the Broncos are 7-4 with their Bible-thumping Puritan at the helm.

Tebow’s magical run has been chronicled each Sunday on The Drudge Report, with Matt Drudge realizing that his conservative readership is becoming vested in the Broncos signal-caller’s story.

In a league where the 2010 Comeback Player of the Year was a sociopathic canine-killer, Tebow’s character on and off the field seems better suited for some Norman Rockwell painting.

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  • wmarkw

    Tim Tebow threw a 20-yeard pass to black receiver Demaryius Thomas, who put some moves on two black defenders to run in for a game-winning score.

    I don’t think anyone at AmRen denies that blacks have excellent sprint speed and good running moves.

    • Monkeys run very fast

    • Woody Woodpecker

      Deny??? Hell, I’ve been telling people that for years. Due to their African heritage, they excel at running and jumping. Athletic prowess is their evolutionary strength. Now intellect, self control and the ability to obey rules, that is a different story…

      • Anonymous

        All the good their running ability does them with their pants halfway down their derrieres!

    • Anonymous

      Ok.  Not quite sure what youre getting at here as thats a bit off-topic.  Did you have a point or…..

  • Anonymous

    My issue with “Passion of the Christ” (which I had no desire to see) was that it was no more than a theatrical mass, and I’m a Protestant.  Not to mention that Gibson’s movie was based off visions of a couple of Catholic mystics–and NOT off the Bible!  (And everyone wants to blame the Jews…but people conveniently forget that Jesus’ purpose was to come here and sacrifice Himself to purchase our salvation.  He wasn’t a “victim” like Catholics claim.  Those Pharisees, it would seem, had their own people jumping through hoops.)

    And some people are totally ignorant as to what Christianity truly is.  It’s not burning down mosques.  It’s not beating up on gays (though gays need to be told that their lifestyle is not normal–and telling them so is NOT hatred).

    God separated mankind into the three major races, through Shem, Ham, and Japheth.  Today’s watered-down “Christianity” wants to say “Oh, we’re all part of a huge family, let’s all get together.”  It’s like these people don’t read–or don’t believe–their Bibles.  I agree that in Christ, Christians are the same, but that is on a spiritual level.  See, these people twist around Galatians 3:28 which states:  “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither
    male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”  Obviously it’s meant in the spiritual sense; otherwise the “male nor female” part could be used to justify gay “marriage.”

    It’s interesting that people like that point out the link between Christianity and nationalism.  I find that rather ironic, since your average Joe Blow churchgoer probably considers Michael Luther King a saint.

    • This is why I worship ODIN. God of the white people.

      • Anonymous

        So you object to Christianity because Jesus was a Jew?  Well, I’m not one for Odinism.  God isn’t one race or another; God created us all.  We weren’t even split into separate races until after the Flood.  I recognize the Jews as God’s chosen people, but that doesn’t make me anti-white (read Romans 11 sometime).  I also differentiate between the *state* of Israel and the *nation* of Israel (the former NOT being run for the benefit of the latter) and I’m certainly not a neo-con.

        Oh, and Jesus also had Japhethic ancestry–Whites having descended from Japheth.

        • I am not of the Jewish Tribe.  Jews are not of my tribe.  Jahova is the war God of the Jewish people. Good for them.  ODIN is the war God of the White people. Good for me.

          So, enjoy your God but get off my back with your snide criticism. If you can have your faith then so can I.

      • ‘This is why I worship ODIN. God of the white people.’

        Bingo.

        All this Christianity stuff is just a side show.

        Since the Rev. Martin Luther King, Rev. Jesse Jackson, and Rev. Al Sharpton are all Christians it is easy for Whites to logically reject Christianity for a more particularist belief system instead.

        • Anonymous

          Nonsense, there is no such thing.  Christianity has been entwined with the West for centuries.  ODIN was a myth, and to believe in such foolery because Pagan whites used to believe in him is absurd.

      • Dr. Graham Worthy

        The New Testament is a diverse collection of documents, most of which have been embellished or forged outright. The gospel of Mark has a forged ending, added much later than the stark original ending. The embellishments on the other gospels can be readily seen by comparing them to the simple account of Mark. Some of them are absurd and historically very implausable. 

        So while I cannot accept the faith of Tim Tebow, I support him and applaud him. 

        • Anonymous

          Sigh.  You really don’t know what you are talking about.  Even if you reject the ending of Mark, you cannot throw out the rest of it.  Furthermore, the other gospels may have used a similar source to Mark (most likely Matthew’s notes in which Matthew himself used), but there is no doubt that each have their own way of telling the accounts.  And what is to make of the times that Mark is more complex than Luke or Matthew.

          Plus, John uses his own sources, independent of the synoptics. 

          And, lest we forget, the Pauline epistles are written earlier than the gospels and recorded even earlier creeds (1 Corinthians 15) of what the earliest Christians believed. 

          Needless to say, we can be confident that the gospel accounts of the life of Jesus the Christ aren’t “embellished or outright forged” but good historical information about the man who lived, conducted miracles, and had followers who themselves were prosecuted and died claiming to have seen the resurrected Christ–which needs a better response than perfunctory skepticism.

  • Anonymous

    I am so disgusted with this anti-Tebow hysteria, and I don’t even like football.  Christians aren’t going away.  Famous Christians have just as much right to use their fame and position to advance their views as the militant atheists in Hollywood.

  • Alexandra1973,
    You clearly have a fundamentally flawed understanding of both Mel Gibson and Catholicism.
    Well of course Mel Gibson will make his movie more influenced by Catholic theology – he’s a staunch Roman Catholic himself, and the majority of Christians around the world are Roman Catholic (the VAST majority) – I mean, what exactly are you expecting?
    Additionally, I quite often here those who say that Catholicism “isn’t based on the Bible” – quite funny since it’s the Catholic Church that essentially composed it. I don’t think the Early Church would put together a canon that would contradict its fundamental beliefs.
    You should have more respect for Catholicism, that is your heritage.

    Additionally, who is blaming the Jews for the crucifixion? Not that it would be inaccurate – after all, if the Pharisees didn’t stir up hatred against Christ to have him crucified, who would have pressured Pilate to crucify him?
    It’s a moot point though  – nobody claims that Jews killed Jesus anyway.

  • Tebow is hated since he is a white male. He is hated since he isn’t gay, or beats a white woman nor has ganstah tattoos on his butt. Since he doesn’t jump-n-jive like an ape nor insults the world with ghetto hood behaviour, he is hated.

    The way they treat Tebow, since he is a white male, is the way all  us white men will be treated. Ever since we surrendered and lost the racial civil war in the 60’s, we are going to suffer. The onslaught of the white male is only in the beginning stage.

    I, as a white man, will NOT stand much more for it. I welcome the coming final solution to the racial problem.

    • aj

      I would not be sure about that. He is a handsome, sports hero in his mid twenties who is noted for his extreme chastity–not only is he a virgin, but he refuses to even date women because of his “morals”.  While I like him as a player, and his stated beliefs might in fact be true, I can’t dispel those inklings that his over the top displays of religious devotion might be a cloak for homosexual tendencies.

      Anyway it was a shame to see him lose last night but I couldn’t help noticing that the rest of the Broncos offense was pretty black and didn’t work all that well together. The Bronco’s receivers had hard times getting open and were dropping many catchable passes.  The Black receivers did not seem skilled at deceiving the defense and at getting open, and the entire offensive strategy of the Broncos seemed to be run headlong and hope to get a yard or two.

      On the other hand the white super quarterback for the Patriots, Tom Brady was destroying the Broncos defense by using his white wide receiver (a position only blacks are supposed to play) Wes Welker, and his tight end Rob Gronkowski to make all kinds of incredible diving catches and running circles around the Broncos black defenders. The Patriots offense would always work together, whenever Brady was in trouble someone would get open and he would make a quick pass.

    • aj

      I would not be sure about that. He is a handsome, sports hero in his mid twenties who is noted for his extreme chastity–not only is he a virgin, but he refuses to even date women because of his “morals”.  While I like him as a player, and his stated beliefs might in fact be true, I can’t dispel those inklings that his over the top displays of religious devotion might be a cloak for homosexual tendencies.

      Anyway it was a shame to see him lose last night but I couldn’t help noticing that the rest of the Broncos offense was pretty black and didn’t work all that well together. The Bronco’s receivers had hard times getting open and were dropping many catchable passes.  The Black receivers did not seem skilled at deceiving the defense and at getting open, and the entire offensive strategy of the Broncos seemed to be run headlong and hope to get a yard or two.

      On the other hand the white super quarterback for the Patriots, Tom Brady was destroying the Broncos defense by using his white wide receiver (a position only blacks are supposed to play) Wes Welker, and his tight end Rob Gronkowski to make all kinds of incredible diving catches and running circles around the Broncos black defenders. The Patriots offense would always work together, whenever Brady was in trouble someone would get open and he would make a quick pass.

    • I would not be sure about that. He is a handsome, sports hero in his mid twenties who is noted for his extreme chastity–not only is he a virgin, but he refuses to even date women because of his “morals”.  While I like him as a player, and his stated beliefs might in fact be true, I can’t dispel those inklings that his over the top displays of religious devotion might be a cloak for homosexual tendencies.

      Anyway it was a shame to see him lose last night but I couldn’t help noticing that the rest of the Broncos offense was pretty black and didn’t work all that well together. The Bronco’s receivers had hard times getting open and were dropping many catchable passes.  The Black receivers did not seem skilled at deceiving the defense and at getting open, and the entire offensive strategy of the Broncos seemed to be run headlong and hope to get a yard or two.

      On the other hand the white super quarterback for the Patriots, Tom Brady was destroying the Broncos defense by using his white wide receiver (a position only blacks are supposed to play) Wes Welker, and his tight end Rob Gronkowski to make all kinds of incredible diving catches and running circles around the Broncos black defenders. The Patriots offense would always work together, whenever Brady was in trouble someone would get open and he would make a quick pass.

  • B

    It takes one hell of a huge ego to think that the creator of the universe (if there even is one) would give a rats ass about a football game and use his magical powers to influence it to Tebow’s advantage. Tebow or any other fool who acts like that deserves to be ridiculed for it in my
    opinion.

    • Woah to you. The Lord is a Bronco fan.

    • Dom

      I think that huge ego thinks he can understand the creator of the universe. I don’t know why do you think creator doesn’t want to have some fun? I don’t know what he does but if he exist he has all the time in the world. Literally. Why not help Broncos?

  • I really don’t think the row about Tebow is all that much about Tebow himself.  He is almost an accidental figure stuck in a morality play on two sides that dynamically feed off each other.  What I mean by that is that the people who hate Tebow don’t hate him as much as they hate the kind of people that like him, and the people that like him do like Tebow, but they hate the kind of people who hate him even more.

  • Anonymous

    There are lots of good straight, White quarterbacks in the NFL besides Tebow. We need to switch away from concerns about American football and basketball and instead celebrate great White boxers who have dominated the middle and heavier weights of boxing for the last 10 years.  Watching Joe Calazghe retire as an undefeated champion was one of my greatest racial sports memories. The Ukrainian heavy weight boxing champions fighting out of Germany are also outstanding – real solid, smart, tough White men who have earned the respect of all fair minded boxing fans in the world. 

    • Oil Can Harry

      Now that the Klitschko brothers have been dominating the heavyweight division for a decade US sports fans whine that the heavyweights are irrelevant.

      There are actual white fight fans who post on the internet that they can’t wait for the Klitschkos to retire so we can have a black heavyweight champ again.

  • Anonymous

    “Would the NFL allow players to mock Tebow if he was a Muslim? Would the media mock him?”

    Anyone who did would lose their job and be sent to a re-educat…, sorry, sensitivity training seminar.

    From what I’ve read, Mr. Tebow isn’t praying to God asking for a win; that’s what the media and detractors have ridiculed him for. He’s simply giving personal thanks to God for his successes and failures.  He prays whether he wins or loses.

    Those attacking and mocking Mr. Tebow are attacking and mocking Christianity which is the one religion everyone is applauded for attacking and mocking.

    Mr. Tebow seems like a very nice young man who would make his mom and dad proud. His religiousness irritates people who hate anyone who can been seen as an example of traditional,  ‘All-American, apple-pie’  wholesomeness. There are people who don’t like the fact that some people are religious, normal, and happy and subsequently want to destroy this image. 

  • James

    The left hate Tebow because he is a white male who represents values and has faith in God. Americans used to have and exhibit these same values. Now, our sad society and media try to bring him down for ratings or because he’s religious. Instead of focusing on his religion, how about focusing on the polite behavior, morals, values, and humility his faith has brought him. You don’t have to embrace his religion but you should at least respect the positive behaviors he demonstrates. As long as the media, pop culture, and fanatical liberals glamorize the opposite of his personality, and actively seek to suppress it under the guise that being moral means religion (which they can’t stand), people like him will always be the exception rather than the norm. Tim Tebow exhibits what people should be, and I “pray” he doesn’t let the constant media, pop culture, and other opposition attackers change him. In fact, it gives me satisfaction that it aggravates so many people. That alone should tells us how messed up our society has become.

  • Anglokraut

    As a Steelers fan and an atheist, for me football season ends with the Steelers’ last game. All this fawning over Tebow is just embarrassing to watch.

  • Hmurray

    If one watches a soccer match, when a player goes on or comes off the pitch, he will often make the sign of the cross.  Roman Catholics have displayed their faith in this manner since I was young, and probably for centuries prior.  What is NEW is Tebow’s Protestant public display in sport.

  • Anonymous

    Shows how sick society has become, it’s more acceptable to be a out and proud homo instead of a Christian. Can’t imagine it in another 50 years

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. Maybe Tebow can work on his image by drowning some dogs, having the cops find an unlicensed gun in his car and smacking up his wife (girlfriend?) a bit. The press will certainly yawn over that & he get on with things.

    • Big Will

      Are you kidding? Christians have the biggest victim complex out there. Despite being the overwhelming majority you somehow are less acceptable than a gay person. Talk about delusional.

  • ATBOTL

    Tebow is hated because he is a white running quarterback.  

    • Buster

      This is exactly right. While many normal people hate Tebow because he is a Christian and a genuinely nice guy, the media despise him because they have been building up a niche role within the NFL which is the “athletic” QB who runs as much as throws. This is always a black QB and represents a way for those folks to take over the only position left in football dominated by Whites. To have one who is White, who is better than all the rest, who doesn’t rape women, shoot people in the club, parade around the sidelines in giant sombreros, raise and murder dogs, etc., is far more than than the media can handle. That he is also a born again Christian is just the issue that sends them off the edge. Now to all those who worship Odin as the white god, understand that Jesus is very much a white god as well. Christianity is a white religion. The NT is written in Greek, all the creeds are in Greek, all the important theological developments (trinity, incarnation, transubstantiation, etc.) were developed by Greek philosophers and entirely dependent upon Aristotelian logic and metaphysics. Additionally, identifying God more with love than with power was thing largest difference between philosophical Christianity and philosophical Islam in Late Antiquity and the middle ages. That choice goes back to Plato’s Republic book II and his account of creation in the Timaues. Many of the early church fathers were Platonists–Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Chrysostum (sp.?), and Augustine were all Platonists. And during the Middle Ages all Christian philosophers–who were also the important theologians–were either Aristotelians or Platonists and their main intellectual enemies were Muslims like Avicenna and Averroes. It is no doubt true, on the other hand, that the Catholic church in particular did its utmost to eradicate many pagan, white religions but there is simply no way to understand the history of Christianity and anything other than a white religion. It should also be remembered that three of Western Civilization’s greatest innovations–universities, universal literacy, and medicine–were the products of Catholicism.

    • Big Will

      Oh, please like John Elway, Steve Young, Jim Zorn, Mark Brunell, Roger Staubach, Frank Tarkenton, etc were? Every major athlete has his fans and haters, reducing Tebow hate to him being a white mobile  quaterback when there are many lauded and respected white mobile qb’s throughout the history of the NFL is ridiculous. The fact is many people find the ratio of ridiculous amount of attention he gets to his skill levels and stats obnoxious. Throw in all the Christian hoopla it’s completely maddening. Drew Brees had a record setting year while Tebow can barely complete 40% of his passes yet it’s Tebow everywhere. 

  • Anonymous

    As someone who hasn’t watched this story too closely, I thought they were promoting Tim Tebow and that the interest/spectacle was selling tickets and soft drinks. 

    • Be more aware.  Just about EVERYTHING today has a racial undertone. 

      In my unhumble opinion, it is ALL about Race.

      • Anonymous

        The intensity & reach of this huge propaganda effort by the Big Left is really daunting. It’s interesting to note that films  like “Giant” were advancing this agenda 50 years ago. Now, it’s so pervasive that one can’t ignore it.  Hitting the Left in their wallets is the most effective way to combat them.  Do not support or buy their products – consumer, entertainment, educational, cultural,  -if you don’t have to.  Defund them.

  • BAW

    You know what I think? I think we care way too much about football, period!

  • Anonymous

    My only objection to Tim Tebow’s public praying is that when he thanks God for a touchdown pass he seems to imply that God wants his team to win, and that the opposing team is somehow opposed to God. 

    • Anonymous

      So whenever someone thanks God for something that means they are greedy?  This doesn’t follow.  Most people’s objections to Tebow stem from ignorance about Evangelical Christianity and their own worldview cognative dissonance.  Tebow’s faith is clear and articulate, and he hasn’t implied nor claimed that God grants his team advantages like the Disney movie “Angels in the Outfield.”  God’s sovereignty doesn’t eliminate free will nor physical/intelligent/emotional factors real to humanity.

  • Robert Binion

    If God does root for the home team, I wish someone had sprinkled holy water on that cob I bet in the last Kentucky Derby.  I just went to youtube to learn about Maher (pronounced “Billmer”)  and he is interesting, if not funny.  What struck me most was the impression that this is  one who, probably in the seventh grade, was told by a pretty blonde with blue eyes that he looked funny.  Is this not painfully obvious?

  • Anonymous

    How far we’ve come down the road to irreligiosity when a kindly, honest, hard-working athlete is not only ridiculed for his forthright displays of religious conviction but dismissed by many as a dangerously perverted dolt. I suppose Sandy Koufax should have been similarly dismissed because he refused to pitch during Yom Kippur.

    How dreadfully uncool!  How utterly gauche!  How yesterday!

    In my view, how  inspiring to see a man of devout conviction who’s not afraid to display it, knowing he’ll be an object of ridicule by the avante garde tastemakers.

  • Dr. Graham Worthy

    Tebow is hated because  1)- – -he has sexual principles–he is a proud virgin.

    Many, many people hate themselves, and know that they have dishonored themselves, by losing their virginity. They sold out, and they know it.

    They spend their whole lives trying to get others to be as they are (sell-outs) and to do as they did (sell out).  Someone having something that they don’t (integrity) is too much for them to bear. The ancients called this, “envy.”

    And 2) – – – he shows his piety in public. The left wants only blacks to do this. White people with faith. . .  could do much harm!

    (This is not an endorsement of Christianity. The best of the pagans had the same beliefs.) 

    • B

      The guilt trip is an old ploy. The preachers always try to shame their followers into submission. Yet look what we have learned over the years about the priests own sexual habits. 

  • james

    If you need proof that the white race is doomed take a look at the comments on just this one article and see how easily we can be devided. Look how something as simple and a young white quarterback who lives a moral life as a Christian can start infighting amongst whites. I’m not a football fan, I’m not a Denver fan, and I’m not religious. But I am a fan of Tebow because he is a positive white male role model for my kids to look up to. I would think that in this current society where the accomplishments of white men (past and present) are marginalized, diminished, or ignored all together, we could ALL get behind someone like Tebow. But, as some of these comments have shown me, I was wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Tebow represents everything that the left despises. White Males, Christians, Jesus, Conservatism, Mom and Apple pie.  The traditional person that represents what America was in a by gone era.  They are reminded of it. They loathe it.

    They prefer Black thugs, sodomites, illegals, atheism, sexuality, A-morality,  relative values, and humanism.  Modern American Babylon.

  • Anonymous

    (This is not an endorsement of Christianity. The best of the pagans had the same beliefs.)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               I endorse Christianity. Christianity is what has given us our Western Culture. All that aside, somewhere in the good book it says when a man/woman prays they should pray in secret. In another passage from the good book it states, be not like the pharisees who like to dress up in their finest robes and be the first to sit in the front pews. And yet another passage from the good book says when 2 or three are gathered in my name I am there also. Guess a herd of pharisees in a church are without Christ. All the latest banter concerning Tebow is meant to create controversy which sells tickets & adds revenue dollars for the electronic & printed media. we all know by now the Slost to the 49’ers and the Broncos were slaughtered for a second time by the Patriots. Since the Vegas guys made the Patriots a 13 1/2 point favorite i am quite sure they are very happy with the results, since it is my guess that most people who would bet on such an event would have taken the 13 &1/2 points. I know its very unpopular to suggest that sports is a rigged game because many people, or atheist, agnostic, want something to believe in here and now, something that gives them an escape from the realism of nonsense that they have to endure at their workplace,from the realism of nonsense in the printed & electronic media,from the realism of nonsense called multi-culturalism & diversity that they must cope with everyday, from the realism of nonsense corruption from govt & corporate elites  who are very busy bees destroying Christianity & Western Culture. So when someone like I suggest that collegiate & pro sports is a rigged game i understand why other Amreners here may not particularly “like” my thoughts on this subject. They desperately want something to escape to from all the nonsense that is shoveled their way daily, but they don’t want to escape to something where their “heroes” or “teams” are no more credible than ‘all star-wrestling’ because it is a rigged game controlled by monied interest…..I do not endorse Organized Religion. The best of the Pharisees do.

    • Anonymous

      The fact he is purposely making his prayer a big public spectacle is what makes people mock it. I never heard of Tebow before (well I probably heard the name but I do not pay attention to sports discussions). It has turned into an Internet phenomena and not in a flattering way. It is NOT about his choice to pray, he could easily pray quietly without making a big show of it.

      Even SNL did a skit on this.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPpFe3GR7p8

      • Anonymous

        Why shouldn’t he pray out in the open? Should he be embarrassed to be a christian?

      • Making a big “show” if it? You mean like when Muslims across the UK commandeer
        entire blocks, to then go on to kneel in the middle of the street for their
        call to prayer? Let us see SNL do a “skit” mocking that show.

        • Anonymous

          They are praying in front of a Mosque. They are not praying on a football field with thousands of onlookers there to watch a sporting event.

          If you do not see the difference I will not bother to explain.

          • Maybe they should be praying “in” the mosque as opposed to in the middle of the street for all onlookers to be subjected to. But then again, I suspect such behavior is not about prayer, but rather about a show of force against the locals.

            BTW…were you not at one time contemplating a conversion to islam? How is that moving along?

  • Anonymous

    If one wanted to see the decline of American culture and Christianity in the West, this message board would be ideal place to start.  A so-called hard right website, and nearly half of the posts have little to do with the cultural aspects of  a conservative and real Christianity, but instead cast inane doubts about the truth claims the gospels made.  To these objections I would say pick up a New Testament commentary or apologetics book and soberly make your own judgments once you have the facts.

    Tebow broadly represents the ideal white American man that I’m sure many white, conservative men who regularly post on AmRen aim to be.  We are the type that romanticize a charactiture at times–the John Wayne role, the American who never really existed but we all wish did.  If anyone fits that ideal today, its Tim Tebow.

    Here is a man who defends and lives out the conservative spectrum of the religion in which our country was founded on.  He is mocked and hated by anti-white, anti-American leftists and useful idiots too blinded to recognize their own bias.  He carries a burden much heavier than anyone else would because of his public faith, not to mention the scrutiny he faces as a QB in the heavily popular NFL.  (In fact, only the president and some members of Congress face more pressure than NFL QBs.)

    AmRen is focused on racial issues, yes, but it is silly to divorce Christianity from the West and the West from the white race.  Unbelievers should respectfully remain quiet on these issues if they wish to focus on what racial conservatives of all religious beliefs can agree upon.  Tebow is an almost unreal version of what a true white American man once was and should be again–fearless, unapologetic, above reproach, hard-working, humble, and a leader.  Can we not enjoy this while Rome burns?

    • Anonymous

      If one wanted to see the decline of American culture and Christianity in the West, this message board would be ideal place to start.  A so-called hard right website, and nearly half of the posts have little to do with the cultural aspects of  a conservative and real Christianity, but instead cast inane doubts about the truth claims the gospels made.

      I strongly disagree. Whites are already falling into minority status and YOU want to pick and choose which Whites qualify to be part of a movement and alienate the rest based on your personal prejudices?

      You think it is a good idea to take the small percentage of racially aware whites and start ostracizing or censoring huge numbers of them because they may hold opinions on politics, religion, and no doubt many many other matters that YOU personally do not agree with?

      What you want is more akin to a cult than a movement; you want mandated group think in which everyone MUST agree on every issue, and that group think inevitably becomes narrower all the time. While that can and did work well 80 years ago (and in fact worked very well for the largest pro-White group in America’s history, but at that time those beliefs were held by the vast majority of Whites in America)  times have changed radically, the population demographics have changed dramatically, and forcing people to take on those narrow ideals these days would create nothing more than a tiny fringe group of Whites that could NEVER sway the opinions or win over the hearts and minds of White America.

      In my opinion White individuals that want to live in White communities is the baseline standard. Arguing whether  Catholics or Atheists or (fill in the blank) should be excluded is counter-productive.

      • Anonymous

        I do not see atheism  as compatible with  traditional ,western , American values.

        • Anonymous

          Christopher our people are under attack. It is about genes not about religion or philosophy. When the attack stops (if it does) we can argue and bicker and segregate ourselves based on religion and politics. You may not like all of your family members, or their opinions; regardless when your FAMILY is under attack you defend one and all.

          I am very grateful to any White that speaks up for our people and fights for us during this crisis.

          • Anonymous

            Religion is at the core of being. A man is not separate from his religious beliefs, he is his religious beliefs.  Your worldview is set up by your religion or lack of it.

  • wmarkw

    This is sort of a joint reply to razorrare and Eagle_Eyed. 

    I’m hardly a “core” AmRenner, but it was not my impression from some of Mr. Taylor’s general comments about AmRen, that it’s intended as a “hard” right website.  But I didn’t think it was about the panoply of positions can be considered conservative in today’s political environment (such as little environmental protection and a libertarian attitude toward Wall Street), and that it’s intended to accept diversity of thought outside it’s core issues.  Perhaps under our new web format, Mr. Taylor can address again what AmRen is and is not intended to be. 
    Christianity, of course, replaced the Roman Empire as the underlying princple behind Western Civilization slowly over the course of 15-20 centuries ago.  But West Civ really took off when it began practicing science.   Today, liberals believe they have a scientific outlook on life, but when Diversitarian issues come up, somehow science doesn’t work the same way any more.  Free speech and exchange of ideas have to be abrogated in the name of combating racism, sexism, etc.  Hypothesis testing, as it relates to intelligence, can’t be used across  populations, etc.    The best way to win the race realist argument is through the biological sciences — the more a  people’s ancestral environment resembled that of our pre-human ancestors, the fewer environmental pressures they faced to advance.  Religion does not offer a comparable way to win that argument.  And since no large population is more devoutly Christian than African-Americans, it’s not a likely source from which to obtain race-realism.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense, Christianity and science are 100 percent compatible.  Where do you think we get our modern science from? CHRISTIANS!  It sure wasn’t atheists. Even Darwin borrowed from a creationist christian for natural selection.  Western civilization is NOTHING without christianity. 

      • Anonymous

        I took you seriously there for a moment: yeah I can be a bit slow at times.

        Western society is fundamentally based on Roman Law (pre-Christian). Christianity can take credit for the inquisitions and most especially “integration”. We are all the same, all equal in God’s eyes, and turn the other cheek!

        • Juggernaut

          Western society is based on British Common Law, not Roman Law

          • Anonymous

            Please cite sources. British Common Law was based on ROMAN written law. Lawyers still use Latin terms when referencing legal code. The British were colonized by the Romans.

        • Anonymous

          I was being serious. Christianity gave us western society and modern science.

          • Anonymous

            Okay then. After viewing some of the other sites you post on, I will say “okay”.

        • Anonymous

          Mods I used a semicolon, not a colon. Since I cannot edit a post after a mod edits it, please correct it. I am very fond of semicolons, and only use colons when I am about to type a list.

  • Re Tebow, why he is so liked, it all comes down to this:

    Your 10-year old son is all alone in a locker room with only one other adult who makes a living from football.  Do you want that to be Tim Tebow or Jerry Sandusky?

    Your mildly aggressive bull terrier went missing, and someone took him in.  Again, that someone makes a living from football.   Do you want it to be Tim Tebow or Michael Vick?

    Someone who plays football accidentally strayed into the women’s restroom, and your wife was in there alone.  Do you want that someone to be Tim Tebow or Ben Rothlisberger?

    You’re a bouncer at a New York City nightclub.  Tim Tebow and Plaxico Burress are both in queue at the same time.  The club can only fit one more person.  Assuming you’re an honest bouncer, which one will you let in?

    Razorrare:  I grok your point.  If everything else is faked up nonsense that is hostile, why are we to presume that professional athletics is some saintly pure oasis?  It’s as corrupt as anything else, mainly because of money.

    • Anonymous

      You, Sir, have a very sharp mind.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know why it was deleted, but I will write it down again.

    I do not see atheism as compatible with traditional ,western , American values.

    • wmarkw

      I will respectfully disagree.

      Comparing the West today to 500 years ago, I think we can summarize its advancements  as being due to democracy, capitalism and science.  These three methods are based on the premise of the marketplace of ideas, where they are tested against evidence.   Such a marketplace offers arguments both for and against atheism.

      The failure of the Diversitarian philosophy, is its lack of testing.

      • Anonymous

        None of that would flourish in an atheistic society.  And I don’t like democracy anyway, neither did the founders.  And ofcourse, modern science came from christians.  Atheism is great if you like communism. Not all of the founders were christians, but none were atheists.  They realized that our right’s come from God, not man. Also, how many atheistic countries love capitalism? I am sure that the free market works well in China.

        • Anonymous

          So science cannot flourish under atheism? Somebody should have told the Russians that when they were launching the first satellite and building the first space station.

          • Anonymous

            And ofcourse, Issac Newton, a christian,  came up with the idea for the first satellite. And America trumped russia’s space program.

  • Anonymous

    Stop the nonsense..Diversity of  personal Opinion i can tolerate and appreciate..its when that Opinion is used to foster a change in  religion, culture, and education of Western Culture (which requires organized action) that i take offense and will not tolerate.Our once decent and civil society is in its death throes because Christianity is dying caused by organized marxist ideology that promotes freedom from Christianity and  the moral and ethical constraints that it provides.

    • Anonymous

      Nonsense is right! Western culture is in decline because we are being flooded with third world people NOT because Christianity is becoming less popular.
       
      Japan, Denmark, and Sweden all have  high percentages of agnostics/atheists, Japan is estimated to have over 60% yet in ALL three cases their crime rates are VERY low. Japan not only has the most atheists they are also one of the very safest countries on earth! One wonders how they managed to create a civil society without basing it on Christian values eh? 
       How do you explain that?

  • Anonymous

    Hammerman is in the inner circle of the Soros-backed, anti-Israel J Street.  What do you expect? 

  • B

    It’s funny how many Christians think being gay is a  choice. A choice requires at least two options. Yet if you ask the Christians if they too are sexually attracted to both sexes they will always deny it. So where was their choice?

  • Staven083

    Whether you’re a Christian or not, it’s undeniable that a big part of the reason Christianity is attacked today is because of its historical and cultural link to European culture. The media is already angry that a white man is out there who can challenge the institutional racism that whites suck at sports, that he’s also openly Christian is just icing on the cake for them.

  • Anonymous

    Western culture is in decline because we are being flooded with third world people.That is one reason amongst a myriad of reasons why Western Culture is in decline.I have a hard time of blaming God for the hart-cellar immigration act of 1965 which was supported by such godless organizations as the ACLU as being responsible with flooding our Nation with third world people.Nor do i blame God for the enlightened 60’s hippie era that joined in with other godless marxist organizations that chanted the diddy,”hey hey  ho ho Western Culture gots to go!” Blame godless liberal marxist ideology that has taken over our institutions of higher learning & organized Christian religion as well….Criminals are drawn to America by its ideological mantra that “tis better to let a thousand guilty go free than to hang one innocent person.” In pre-1945 Japan how safe would it have been for any “foreigner” to   mingle amongst the populace? How “civil” was Japan  before 1945? As “civil” as the “savage” indians that our great ancestors conquered? Without the heavy hand of the U.S. in 1945 forcing Japans emperor to tell his people he was not God but a mere human after all what course of “civilty” would Japan be serving up today?……Japan is estimated to have over 60% yet their crime rates are low….a myriad of reasons for this as well.Study their justice and penal codes as compared to other nations such as ours….Shinto & Buddhism are Japans two major religions.They have been co-existing for several centuries and have even contemplated each other to a certain degree.Most Japanese consider themselves Buddist,Shintoist or both.Religion does not play a big role in the everyday life of most Japanese people today.The average person typically follows the religious rituals at ceremonies like birth,weddings and funerals,may visit a shrine or temple on New Year and participates at local festivals most of which have a religious background……..Japan Religion is an amazing assemblage of various traditions with a history going back to over two thousand years. This diversity of religions have integrated their own distinctive administrations,

    carnivals and celebrations, holy writings and adapted them to Christian ideas and religious practices.Japan religion also has a great and significant influence in the development of the Japanese history of civilization. The most striking point related to Japanese Religion is that a huge number of Japanese are found to be devoted to more than one religious conviction.
    Commonly, Japanese religion is formed around the natural manifestations in Japan’s geological location and nature. Religion in Japan have been immensely influenced from other Asian religions, especially those by the way of China and Korea. As a result, the most eminent religions in Japan are ‘Shinto’ and ‘Buddhism’. The array of religions also includes Confucianism, Islam and Christianity.

    • Anonymous

      Btw…mind explaining why 90% of Japanese households have a statue of Budda while over 60% claim to either be agnostic or atheist.