Race Riot at Sea

Hugh Kennedy, American Renaissance, March 12, 2015

The story of the mutiny on the Kitty Hawk.

Gregory A. Freeman, Troubled Water: Race, Mutiny, and Bravery on the USS Kitty Hawk, Palgrave MacMillan, 2009, 246 pages, $27.00 (hardcover), $9.99 (Kindle).

On the night of October 12, 1972, the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Kitty Hawk was steaming from Subic Bay in the Philippines to its combat station in the Tonkin Gulf. The ship’s complement consisted of 4,483 sailors, aircrew, and Marines, 302 of whom were black.

GulfOfTonkin

By the early morning of October 13, the ship had endured a sustained race riot that some consider to be the first and only mutiny in the history of the United States Navy.

As Gregory A. Freeman and the crewmen he interviewed tell the story, the Kitty Hawk riot had been brewing for some time. Many of the crew, black and white, were showing the stress of repeated deployments and long combat duty shifts on a hot, crowded warship. Black crewmembers had been allowed to live together in areas that became squalid, where white sailors feared to go and that NCOs did not inspect.

A fresh blow to morale was the cancellation of an anticipated return to San Diego. (A disgruntled white sailor on Ranger, which was supposed to relieve Kitty Hawk, had deliberately thrown a steel rod into a main reduction gear, and the damage required a major overhaul.) Disenchantment with the Vietnam War was common among the enlisted men and was shared by some of the officers. To these woes was added a growing resentment among black sailors at perceived ill-treatment by their white shipmates, the Navy, and American society in general.

Racial tensions had flared after black-white bar fights while the crew was ashore on liberty in Subic Bay. By the time the carrier left for the Tonkin Gulf, many black crewmen were on a hair trigger.

The violence broke out about 8:00 P.M. on the 12th after what would ordinarily have been a minor incident. A black sailor going through the chow line asked for a second sandwich and a white mess attendant refused. The black sailor took a second sandwich anyway, and words were exchanged. A group of angry blacks then went looking for whites to attack. Their first victim, a slightly-built cook, was bludgeoned with a hose nozzle and thrown down a flight of stairs.

From then until 2:30 the following morning, rampaging black sailors used improvised weapons to beat and terrorize any whites they met. Bewildered crewmen were jumped in narrow passageways and besieged in berthing compartments. Medics trying to treat the injured had to fend off repeated attacks on the sick bay.

Most of the victims were assaulted at random and without provocation, but the mess attendant who had refused the second sandwich, James Radford, was found sitting on a couch and given an impromptu trial before a gang of black sailors:

The judge looked at Radford, waiting for his explanation, but he wasn’t offering one.

‘Hang him,’ the judge said calmly.

With that command, the crowd went wild. They pushed him over a table onto his back. He felt more punches and blows to his body, head, face, everywhere, as he was tossed about the room, off the table, onto the couch, all the while just trying to cover his head with his hands to block the worst of the blows. His efforts were futile. He felt the foam fog nozzle make solid contact with his head and the world started fading out. He felt blood all over him as he got lightheaded.

. . .

They tossed him out in the passageway and told him to find his own way to sick bay.

Radford lay there, bleeding and nearly unconscious, his cheek-bone smashed, his jaw broken, his skull cracked open, a huge gash over one eye. His punishment for not serving a black sailor in the mess deck.

The savagery of the riot was matched by the confusion of the response. The captain, Marland Townsend, was sleeping, and Executive Officer Benjamin Cloud was watching a movie when the commotion began; it was nearly 10:00 P.M. before they were informed of a disturbance in the aft mess deck, where rioters were throwing chairs and assaulting the few white mess cooks who hadn’t managed to escape. By that time, a detail from the ship’s Marine contingent already was on its way to the scene.

The captain and the executive officer responded independently and sometimes at cross purposes. Captain Townsend first went to the bridge and ordered guards posted to the flight deck and hangar bay (protection of the carrier’s aircraft was his first concern), then left his post to investigate the riot himself. His absence and failure to communicate with the bridge eventually caused panicked rumors that he had been captured or killed. Commander Cloud, in the meantime, rushed from hot spot to hot spot and had only sporadic contact with the captain.

At one point, Commander Cloud, frightened by the rumors of the captain’s death, declared an emergency over the ship’s public address system and ordered the “black brothers” and the Marines to go to separate ends of the ship. The captain, who had been roaming the hangar deck alone in search of damage to aircraft, made his way to the damage control center where he used the public address system to countermand Commander Cloud’s announcement. Even crewmen who had been unaware of the riot now knew that the ship was in trouble. The effect on the rioters, who were emboldened to learn that their actions had thrown the command structure into chaos, was the opposite of what Commander Cloud had intended.

Marlon Townsend

Marland Townsend

The ship had the means to quell the riot but not the will to use them. The Kitty Hawk’s Marines were ready and able to wade into the mob and crack heads with night sticks, but both the executive officer and the captain kept them on a short leash and opted for negotiation.

Commander Cloud, a black officer who only recently had joined the ship, tried to win the rioters over with appeals to racial solidarity. At one point, the captain stumbled upon a bizarre scene that proved typical of Commander Cloud’s approach to the crisis:

Townsend had walked in as Cloud was trying to assure the rioters that he could be trusted, that he really was a true black man. Cloud would later admit that his methodology was unorthodox and not very military in nature, but at the time he felt military discipline had already been lost.

‘For the first time,’ Cloud told the men, ‘you have a brother who is an executive officer. My door is always open.’

Townsend was surprised to hear Cloud talk that way, identifying himself as a ‘brother’ and being so conciliatory to a bunch of hooligans running wild on his ship. And then it got worse. The men continued talking and Townsend could hear some of the sailors shouting ‘Right on!’ and ‘We can trust this brother.’ Several of the men raised their fists in a black power salute and stared directly into Cloud’s eyes, waiting for him to return the gesture, to show that he really was a black man.

Cloud didn’t know what to do. He had never given a black power salute in his life. It just wasn’t his style, no matter how proud he was of his heritage. Feeling that he couldn’t let this moment slip away, that he needed to take advantage of the headway he was making with these guys, for the first time in his life Cloud raised his clenched fist in a black power salute. The sailors cried out ‘Black power!’ and cheered the XO as a brother.

Townsend was not pleased. No one had acknowledged his presence, and now his XO was giving a black power salute with the rioters. What the hell was this?

Commander Cloud would try the racial solidarity card again when he faced 150 black sailors milling angrily in the forecastle. By then it was 12:15 A.M., scores of sailors were injured, and the crisis showed no sign of abating. Although his appeasement of the rioters would be criticized in hindsight, there can be no question that Cloud acted with sincerity and great courage:

‘If you doubt for one moment that I understand your problems, if you doubt for one moment that I am a sincere black man . . .’ His voice trailed off. He looked over the crowd, making eye contact with several men. He could see the contempt in their eyes, the way they looked at him with disgust and skepticism.

With a sudden burst of resolve, Cloud reached down to a man standing in front of him and took his weapon, a heavy piece of steel about two feet long. With the weapon in hand, Cloud tore off his uniform shirt and tossed it away. He stood bare-chested before the crowd and thumped his chest hard with a fist as he looked at the other men fiercely. Fury and determination in his voice, he raised the weapon high and shouted.

‘The first man in this crowd that for one moment does not believe my sincerity, I hold this weapon and I bare my back for you to take this weapon and beat me into submission, right here!’

Commander Cloud’s challenge broke the murderous tension in the room. From 1:30 to 2:30, while Commander Cloud mingled with the mob and listened to their grievances, other rioters were persuaded to give stretcher bearers free passage to the sick bay. The riot was over, but 47 men had been hurt and three had to be evacuated for treatment at onshore hospitals. Remarkably, flight operations resumed later that morning, on schedule.

In the riot’s immediate aftermath, the Navy urged Captain Townsend to conduct courts-martial before the ship returned to San Diego. This became typical of what Captain Townsend viewed as the Navy’s effort to keep the incident quiet. He refused, on the ground that he would be “railroading” the accused if he convened summary shipboard proceedings with only Navy attorneys to conduct the defense, and that this could even start another riot. Twenty-nine sailors–all but three of them black–eventually were charged with crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and 19 were found guilty of at least one charge.

Captain Townsend and Commander Cloud believed, with apparent reason, that the mayhem of October 1972 sidetracked their careers. Captain Townsend never received the promotion to Admiral that normally would have followed his prestigious command, and Commander Cloud ended his career onshore, retiring at the rank of ctaptain.

KittyHawk

Mr. Freeman’s book is based heavily on interviews with officers and crew, including Captain Townsend and Commander Cloud. Many of those interviewed thought the Navy had downplayed the seriousness of the incident, and if anyone doubts that the Kitty Hawk incident was a racially-motivated mutiny that risked disabling a great ship during combat operations, Troubled Water should put those doubts to rest.

U.S. Congress, Racial Incidents Onboard USS Kitty Hawk (CVA-63) and USS Constellation (CVA-64), 92nd Cong., 2d Sess., 1973, House Armed Services Committee 92-81, Government Printing Office, 1973, $5.99 (paperback), $1.99 (Kindle).

For some remarkably undeceived conclusions about racial unrest in the Vietnam-era Navy, we can turn to a congressional report that explores the Kitty Hawk incident and a racially-motivated strike that took place the following month by crewmen of the carrier U.S.S. Constellation. (The Constellation was on a training exercise off San Diego when a number of crewmen, mostly black, staged a “sit-in” protest and threatened to throw the captain overboard. The dissident sailors were returned to shore, where Naval authorities negotiated with them, acceded to some of their demands, and meted out what the congressional report considered token punishments.)

The report was issued after hearings by a special subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee, which accumulated 2,565 pages of testimony from 56 witnesses, including 30 members of both ships’ crews. Enlisted personnel facing court-martial charges had declined to testify, and the subcommittee chose not to compel their attendance.

Besides finding that the Navy was unprepared to deal with shipboard violence and unrest, the subcommittee had harsh words for the general state of good order and discipline in the Vietnam-era Navy, including the permissive atmosphere encouraged by Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Jr. In the subcommittee’s view, the higher ranks of the service had undermined the efforts of commissioned and non-commissioned officers to enforce traditional standards of appearance and conduct, leaving the Navy’s “middle management” ill-equipped to deal with drug use, sabotage and general laxity.

Elmo Zumwalt

Elmo Zumwalt

None of this will surprise anyone who served in the military in the later stages of the Vietnam conflict. What is downright startling, however, is the report’s diagnosis of the state of race relations in the Navy. Unlike contemporary politicians’ credulity in the face of every conceivable black complaint, the subcommittee found the rioters’ and strikers’ racial grievances to be largely illusory:

During the course of the investigation we found no substantial evidence of racial discrimination upon which we could place true responsibility for causation of these serious disturbances. Certainly there were many perceptions of discrimination by young blacks, who, because of their sensitivity to real or fancied oppression, often enlist with a ‘chip on their shoulder.’ Those young blacks, who enter the service from the ghetto with a complete black awareness, probably for the first time find themselves immersed in a predominantly white society which, in civilian life, they had come to mistrust. These young men are subject to being easily led–as was the case in the Constellation uprising where about 15 agitators orchestrated the entire affair. [emphasis in the original]

If there was no real discrimination against black Navy personnel, why was there a perception of discrimination? Among other factors, the report cited the recruitment of sailors who failed to meet normal standards for mental aptitude and criminal record:

The Navy’s recruitment program for most of 1972 that resulted in the lowering of standards for enlistment, accepting a greater percentage of mental category IV and those in the lower half of category III, not requiring recruits in these categories to have completed their high school education, and accepting these people without sufficient analysis of their previous offense records, has created many of the problems the Navy is experiencing today.

In the subcommittee’s view, black sailors from the lower end of the recruiting pool faced no realistic prospect of specialized training and advancement, and often blamed their failure to progress on racism. The report attributed the trouble on the Kitty Hawk directly to this mentality:

The subcommittee is of the position that the riot on Kitty Hawk consisted of unprovoked assaults by a very few men, most of whom were of below-average mental capacity, most of whom had been aboard for less than one year, and all of whom were black. This group, as a whole, acted as ‘thugs,’ which raises doubt as to whether they should ever have been accepted into military service in the first place.

Those of us who do not serve in today’s military cannot assess the extent to which the problems of the Vietnam era persist in 2015. What seems certain, though, is that no report from today’s Congress would produce a diagnosis of those problems as frank as that of the subcommittee report of 1973.

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Hugh Kennedy

Hugh Kennedy is an attorney who served as an officer in the U.S. Air Force between 1968 and 1973.

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  • je suis paganisme

    They always, Always, ALWAYS form gangs and attack solitary Whites.

    Something in their evolution . . . seems cowardly . . . but as a survival stategy, apparently it worked, because they still use it.

    • JustJeff

      It’s starting to look like individualism has worn out its use as a survival strategy for us.

      • je suis paganisme

        Yes, the solitary, righteous Aryan, going it alone, defying the odds!

        Very romantic!

        I think it worked for Daniel Boone, Simon Kenton, Davy Crockett . . . and even, yes, for a certain young German corporal, who risked his life to deliver messages in WW1.

        just a handful. Not much to base survival on.

        The other solitary, righteous Aryans are John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, in their respective movies . . . but we cannot base our lives on fantasies.

        • Harry

          John Wayne was married three times; all three women were Latinas.

          • Chris H.

            White Latinas or Mestizas?

          • John Smith

            One from an aristocratic Panamanian family, another from an aristocratic Peruvian family and one a Mexican actress (and supposedly a prostitute as well). I’d imagine the Mexican was a mestiza, but expect the others were criollos.

      • kikz2

        at least to such a degree…..

      • Spikeygrrl

        Be careful what you wish for. Oligarchy NEVER works in the long term. As a scholar of sorts (didn’t quite finish my PhD, ask me if you want the whole sordid story) I remain drastically skeptical of any ideology which is IMPOSED from the outside. INCLUDING JustJeff’s blatant lack of regard for those of us who believe that the eventual solution is CULTURAL.

        • JustJeff

          And how is a rotten, atomized, greedy, egalitarian, every-man-for-himself culture going to fix itself?

          • Spikeygrrl

            “It” will fix “itself” person by person by person — one mind at a time. When was the last time you took someone under your wing — gently! — and led them to the next book they ought to be reading, the next idea they ought to be dissecting?

            Treating people as undifferentiated statistics is what our enemies do. PLEASE do not join them!

          • JustJeff

            Never. You don’t change people’s minds through books and reading. You need power so you can decide what they’re taught in school, what they read in the media, what they’re allowed to say. Why not join our enemies? They’re winning!

          • Spikeygrrl

            I’ve seen many more minds changed by reading — and the discussions it prompts — than by cults of personality. These two examples will make my case: the Bible and the Declaration of Independence.

            Try visiting your local library one of these days. You just might like it.

          • JustJeff

            You must hang around some gullible people. I’m the only person I’ve ever know who has been persuaded and changed my mind because of what I’ve read. The Bible had the power of the state behind it for most of the history of Christianity. How influential would the Bible be if the European nobility hadn’t outsourced the education of their children to the church? How influential would the church have been without its money and the protection of the state? As for the Declaration of Independence, it’s not binding law. All that crap about all men being equal is really coming back to bite us on the ass, too.

          • ssohara

            Well, men and women are equal too, in terms of their spiritual worth in the eyes of God and in terms of their moral accountability – women won’t get a pass at the Pearly Gates because of an extra X chromosome. But there is a difference between equality and being the same. Women and men are different. Different races also have differences. So what?

          • rebelcelt

            William Tyndale the first one who translated the Bible into modern English was burned at the stake. He was persecuted by the Catholic and Anglican Church. It was the Bible itself that changed minds. Eventually even the State agreed and protestant Churches arose out of the Bible. Not the other way around as you argue.

          • UncleSham

            The Bible is a result of possibly the greatest cult of personality of all time: Jesus of Nazareth.

          • Spikeygrrl

            As it happens, I agree with you…but my POINT was that reading can and does change lives.

          • UncleSham

            Yes, it certainly does.

          • Veni Vidi Vici

            Agreed, reading is the 1st step for thinking critically, reading the bible then thinking critically about it influence my decision to choose atheism.

      • anony

        If we fail to “come together” and fight the dispossession we are experiencing , we will disappear as a distinct race.

    • connorhus

      Blacks form mobs of 3 to however many. Once Whites finally realize it’s time to band together that’s when you see true survival instincts as continents tremble and cities evaporate. What the Blacks are doing only works because we let it and don’t act against it….YET.

      • Augustus3709

        There are plenty of videos showing black fighting tactics. One stares you down and another blindsides you from the side.

        It’s actually not bad from a pure tactical perspective, they are taking advantage of your unguarded flank, (and the fact that they outnumber you, akin to hunting animals teaming up on their prey.)

        The difference is high developed cultures have a system of honor and dueling where you’re supposed to “fight fair”. They generally don’t follow that, which is why so many wind up dead or in jail. The sword swings both ways.

        • dfw63

          I’ve had this experience as a teen. I won’t let it happen again.

        • Yeah, sounds like a smaller scale version of the Zulu “horns of the buffalo” strategy.

          • NavajoNation

            Yes, a very simple-minded strategy… But effective at times.

          • Especially when you outnumber your opponent.

        • InAFreeCountry

          In the many recent videos I’ve seen of black violence, I have NEVER seen a fair fight. We whites need to save the chivalry for honorable opponents that respect it, i.e., other whites.

        • UncleSham

          Fighting fair is how you solve disputes within your in-group. The out-group should be shown no mercy.

        • rebelcelt

          You have distilled the problem perfectly. It is a good strategy for winning battles. We have got to realize we are in a war. This is not a crime problem this is a war problem. Just like terrorism is a war of cultures and peoples, so is the war on white people. We have to change our strategies, we are not in a schoolyard fight, with a sense of rules and fair play. We are in a throwdown fight for our survival.. We

          • Augustus3709

            There is a small percentage of blacks who could function in a White society, but that number has gone down over the last few decades due to leftist policies, creating a large underbelly of blacks who are basically irredeemable.

            (The ones we’re ‘at war with’ are basically useless.)

            We need welfare reform. Cut the fertilizer and the weeds dry up.

      • Ghost

        When blacks riot cities burn. When Whites riot continents burn.

        • nordicman

          Except whites don’t cause destruction for no reason. They have been pushed to the brink and had put up with a LOT of abuses from their nonwhite agitators. Whites are slow to anger, but feroscious when we’ve been pushed to far.

          • Ghost

            Exactly. I’m right beside you brother.

          • notyranny

            The White Man conquers with his head as well as with his hands. It is intellect, after all, that conquers, not the strength of a man’s arm.

          • Cid Campeador

            Our young White guys won’t rise up. The educational system has turned them into guilt ridden Kafka Characters.

          • Marthinus Potgieter

            Some people build and others destroy – typically those with nothing are destructive whilst those who have built up legacies and systems are fierclely protective over their hard work and creations.

        • Cory Welch

          LOL

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      “Something in their evolution . . . seems cowardly . . . but as a
      survival stategy, apparently it worked, because they still use it.

      There is something in white people’s evolution that forces them to cower away from blacks and let them attack the best of the white race. Apparently it has worked for the dumber whites

      .

    • Earl P. Holt III

      They have a “Pack Instinct,” just like baboons and wild dogs…

    • Earl P. Holt III

      In “The Color of Crime,” Jared Taylor unearthed a fascinating statistic:

      Nigros are more than 2,000 times more likely than any other race to engage in a Multiple-Offender Aggravated Assault against a member of another race. (Also called an “Inter-racial Multiple Offender Aggravated Assault.”)

    • brazos

      i war in the navy about this time,white sailors would have to watch your back all the time , officers pretend not to notice, it was hell for white enlistees , blacks could do anything they wanted without consequences,officers would jump all over white sailors for small infractions , caused a lot of resentment, could not wait to get out . white people ,do not join the anti white military.

  • This is just one of many indications that blacks, in many respects, personally lack the level of discipline and dedication needed to be effective soldiers and sailors. Obviously, there are exceptions to this and I don’t wish to apply this statement to every last one of them.

    However, my observations over the years are that blacks generally don’t perform as well as whites in highly regimented combat units. They are easily distracted from their mission, revert quickly to their ghetto-culture mentality, often lose focus, and don’t seem to be as devoted to their cause as whites, especially if it involves deep-rooted propositional values and patriotism.

    For example, in something as simple as maintaining a dignified and regulated uniform appearance, blacks often appear disheveled and sloppy in how they wear their uniforms. The U.S. Marines may be an exception to this. Either way, I’ve noticed this sort of thing among blacks both in the military and in the law enforcement profession.

    • voiceofstl

      For example, in something as simple as maintaining a dignified and regulated uniform appearance, blacks often appear disheveled and sloppy in how they wear their uniforms. ” umm not I agree, The black cops i know will pay extra for the cleaners to put extra starch for those sharp lines in their uniforms and make sure the leather shines good. Not sure if they are good cops but they look good.

      • connorhus

        They are quick to pay someone else to do the work for them, especially when they hold over paid Affirmative Action positions. Put em in the field where they have to do their own spit and polish and the real laziness shows itself.

        • TCA

          There’s a certain type of Negro who loves a sharp 4.0 uniform. They are not top performers, though. In fact, sometimes they’re dirtbags. The Negroes I knew who were good sailors were about as attentive to their appearance as most Whites. (USS Belleau Wood, LHA-3, ’80-’84)

          • The Worlds Scapegoat

            In the Army, the blacks were more interested in their personal appearance than in actually being able to do anything well. It was all about the (fake) image. If they looked good, then they thought they were good.

            .

          • rebelcelt

            I think of Obama. Once he gets dressed he thinks he looks good and has done his job. Even the liberal media is talking about how he is disengaged and bored with the job. I would think a competent President would have more work than could get done in the day.

      • Having been a cop for many years for several departments (including a big city one), this isn’t what I’ve found. I guess it depends on what you mean by a “sharp” uniform appearance? I’ve noticed the same thing in the military.

  • anony

    “…most of whom were of below-average mental capacity, most of whom had been aboard for less than one year, and all of whom were black. This group, as a whole, acted as ‘thugs,’ which raises doubt as to whether they should ever have been accepted into military service in the first place.”

    There it is in a nutshell; imagine a statement even approaching such candor in a report today.

    • Young Werther

      Same thing with public schools…and they cover up that as much as they can.

    • John Smith

      They probably became “community organizers” after they got out, assuming they didn’t do long stretches in prison instead.

  • Jason Lewis

    Albert Schweitzer said something about living together as equals.

    • John Smith

      He never practiced it and they weren’t allowed in his dining hall with the whites.

      • stonepillow

        That is interesting!

        • John Smith

          He was a paternalist, not a believer in equality. What’s funny is his hospital is now run by negroes under the Gabon govt. and many of the staff drive Mercedes while the hospital has little money for medicines, equipment, etc. and charge every patient who comes in, even if they’re dying and indigent, despite getting donations from N. America and Europe. Typical Negro Behavior.

        • John Smith

          The negroes also chased out the last white director a few years ago when he discovered the theft and he needed a police escort to leave the hospital and his office, lest the ferals tear him apart.

    • anony

      “I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know: that these individuals are a sub-race. They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to share equally with white men in any function of our civilization. I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status: the superior and
      they the inferior. For whenever a white man seeks to live among them as their equals they will either destroy him or devour him. And they will destroy all of his work. Let white men from anywhere in the world, who would come to Africa, remember that you must continually retain this
      status; you the master and they the inferior like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.”

      Albert Schweitzer

  • Sick of it

    “Commander Cloud, a black officer”

    There’s your problem right there.

    • Harry

      Rather than find the CO and come up with a plan, he decided to take charge of the crisis himself, without first consulting the CO. He truly was a “black brother”.

  • This was just before the draft was eliminated. And I don’t think the timing is just a coincidence.

    • Weisheit77

      The fact that some want to be bring back the draft to REDUCE the eagerness of this country to go to war only shows how right you are. Why draft De’Shante when Billybob will gladly sign up to “defend freedom”, whatever the current definition of that is at the moment?

      • Sick of it

        If they bring back the draft, they will cause a civil war. I’d laugh at their stupidity. If they pull a WWIII, same thing. These idiots need to leave the offices for which their ilk were never suited.

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        Why draft 1/2 of an idiot producing factory (sperm doner), when you can send a white person to die instead.

        .

    • Rurik

      Back then the draft was for the Army, and occasionally the Marines, Air Force and Navy were strictly by enlistment, gaining enlistees by threat of being conscripted into the Army.

      • Speedy Steve

        Somewhat true. I got a draft notice shortly after dropping out of college, I talked to the recruiter as did many others with low draft lottery numbers. The navy also had lots of men who had been given a choice by a judge: 4 years in the military or 5 years in the slammer.

        • Rurik

          That still counted as an enlistment. I did what I called a “shotgun enlistment” as a way to beat the draft. But the truth is if no draft I’d have kept to my hedonistic prior ways.

    • Speedy Steve

      I favor drafting blacks. Then putting them into the UN peacekeeping force in Africa. Then never letting them return.

  • pcmustgo

    Wow, those Asian prostitutes are hot, but why does that one prostitute look like a Black girl? She looks like a Blasian… half black, half asian.

    • the negritos are tribes that are short and black. They live in the philipines and in a few other isolated areas of asia. They used to be widespead long ago, and even lived in europe a long time ago.

      I had a negrito girlfriend when I was in subic bay–short time only!

    • LHathaway

      They all seem to be wearing giant boots. I would guess those are ‘punk rocker’ boots.

      • John Smith

        Go-Go boots, like Nancy Sinatra wore.

        • The Dude

          Yeah, the 70s fashion went well beyond our shores. The typical image from the Lebanese civil war was that of young man in tight pants, tight t-shirt, thick shoes, a sort of afro, and a lot of sweat, hiding behind a wall while grabbing an automatic rifle, taking a peak, then shooting quasi-randomly before swiftly hiding back.

    • Augustus3709

      Wonder how many middle-aged half-Americans are floating around those jungles nowadays.

      • LHathaway

        Possibly a lot. Believe it or not, there is a conspiracy at work intending to destroy Filipino men. White men are not completely alone.

      • Sick of it

        You’ll find their kids in the world of professional modeling.

    • Young Werther

      To men on a ship; a female is a female.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        To blacks anywhere, a hole is a hole.

      • The Dude

        Exactly. They just need any sort of female to relieve themselves with so they can concentrate on their missions.

    • John Smith

      Negroes were there long enough to have blasian half-breed children with the local whores.

      • Speedy Steve

        Chigroes.

        • John Smith

          Technically, that’s with Chinese.

          • Speedy Steve

            Potato potahto.

    • The Dude

      Southeast Asians tend to look a little more negroid than the Northerners anyway–darker-skinned, bigger-nosed, and thicker-lipped. That’s because many of them have some Australoid Negrito ancestry.

      • InAFreeCountry

        I have noticed that your Thai, Cambodian, Laotians have the wider nose and fuller lips as compared to Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese.

  • Lt. Greyman, NVA

    I was in the Navy after Zumwalt, like night and day. Only now are we hearing about a MUTINY aboard a U.S. Flagged ship, just like last year when we finally discovered that blacks had rioted in a base in Australia (Army Base), including firing a 50 caliber machine gun at officers.

    They are not like us.

    • RaySist27

      They are not like us at all. And the tragedy is that all of our laws and policies are based on the idea that they are just like us. This can’t last forever.

      • That was what I have called The Great American Social Experiment.

        • FransSusan

          Or the great American Horror Story that has ruined society and is destroying everything.

    • RileyDeWiley

      Now that sounds interesting … tell us more.

    • Sick of it

      For decades no one knew that the President had been informed of the attack on Pearl Harbor before it took place. He had advance notice. But you know, they needed a war to get us involved in Europe.

      • FransSusan

        That is totally true. There many lies surrounding the wars the US has gotten itself involved in! Roosevelt wanted war in Europe. Sanctions were imposed on Japan, with dire consequences for the Japanese people. Roosevelt used that among other aggressive actions to instigate war. It worked!

        • Sick of it

          Most people around today don’t realize that both Wilson and FDR were elected because they were peace candidates. They pushed for war once in office. Consummate liars.

    • kikz2

      just wait til the illegals who are being ‘inducted’ decide to go off the ‘rez’……… as i understood it some years ago, that was the plan for Blacks.. to go in, get tactical training and access to weapons. just last wk, farrakhan(sp) just gave a ‘clarion call’ to all bruthaz to leave the services and fight for their lives…… wtf knows….?

      and.. i’d love to know, who knows where all those millions of dollars of ammo rounds charged to the likes of the IRS, NOAA, and other weird assed gov outfits who would never need ammo…..have been stored?

      this also brings up in my mind… obama’s… civilian corps……. who, i understand, will act as adjunct to FEMA …whenever…..

      Tzun Tzu cautioned against paid foreign mercs……….

  • I was aboard the Kitty Hawk from 1979 to 1982.
    I worked up in the island on the radar. In the electronics repair jobs there were no blacks back then.

    No riots when I was there.

    • Young Werther

      no mix no problem

      • RaySist27

        It seems so simple, but they want to be around us. It not enough to tell them to leave us alone, they won’t go away.

        • Young Werther

          Actually, Blacks do not want to be around Whites…that is why they choose to live in their own areas, but often they will choose the whitest town to shop in because they don’t want to be robbed either. Or the Black criminals now target White Communities because they are easy pickings. Blacks just don’t want to be told they can’t do something which is understandable. Sadly, the Feds have interferred to the point whereby as a group Blacks can no longer run their own communities as effectively as they could in the past. They resent that and think it is something the Whites did to them, and I guess in some ways they are right. But White leaders had no idea how to deal with them then or now…just give in and maybe problems will stop policy, wrong.

          • Triarius

            Bullsh!t. As a man that grew up in the Detroit suburbs you have NO idea how many blacks “marched” for “cibil rites” to be skoo’ed in white schools. In fact, I was there when Sharpton had the ceremony to bury the name “N166er” on Warren Ave.

            Blacks want their own districts, but IF(and they always do) have the desire to go to a white school. It is their “right” to do so, to heck with districts.

          • nordicman

            And blacks want whites to support them, while beating, raping, robbing and killing us at the same time.

          • Sick of it

            Around here it was the complete opposite. The blacks did not want to go to school with whites. Most of the blacks locally did not want integration. Many of them openly hated white people.

    • John Smith

      I doubt they could’ve done a technical specialty like that.

  • LHathaway

    The violence broke out about 8:00 P.M. . . . Executive Officer Benjamin Cloud was watching a movie when the commotion began; it was nearly 10:00 P.M”

    “Racial tensions had flared after black-white bar fights while the crew was ashore on liberty in Subic Bay. By the time the carrier left for the Tonkin Gulf, many black crewmen were on a hair trigger”.

    Racial tensions always lead to a hair trigger . . . on the part of blacks, but perhaps some ‘explanation’ of some kind could go between these two sentences?

    I can only conclude that dating these Asian girls on leave left these white boys feeling too big for their britches, and unwilling to hand a brother a second sandwich. I also suspect that, not being given a sandwich, only provided an excuse for this black boy to do what he simply wanted to do. Then of course, they will blame you for the ‘racism’, and superiors will normally back them up (although most simply won’t care one way or the other – which, won’t stop them from backing up those committing assaults). It all goes to show, he should have just given him a sandwich.

    It reminds me of reading about the prison riots that broke out around the same time on the mainland. In one case, the ringleader/ringleaders was a black prisoner who was going to be executed. A massive riot at least held the possibility he could escape. He had nothing to lose. Now those sentenced to death are held on ‘death row’.

    • Young Werther

      I have to disagree about *dating the Asian girls left White Boys feeling too big for their britches*…rather more to the point white boys from the South were not used to seeing black men dating and all over non-white women; the Yankee White Boys were not used to it either at that time…so you do make an important observation just one that I would think might come from a modern black mind. But then again the white mind is not all that honest either.

      • LHathaway

        You make a point, but by the 1960’s (and the 1950’s, in big cities) black men were already heavily dating White women, to the point White men should be eligible for ‘affirmative action’ for what was going on in the 60’s and 70’s alone.

        You may have another good point to make, in a sense. . or that. . white men even today, when they come of age, might be surprised to see white women dating black and other men so much. Much of it is likely hidden from all White men. Each generation learns anew, I guess. Only ‘our silence betrays us’.

        The fact that affirmative action females (perhaps as many as 20% of them) are marrying their affirmative action co-workers might be surprising to most White men in this very day and age. White men, who, you know, get their hands dirty at work. In a few cities in the US, these things work in completely opposite ways.

        I remember attending a girl track meet sometime in the 1990’s, the girls from the all girl’s school seemed to be surprised most of the White girls had black boyfriends.

        • Young Werther

          I can say that the more leftist radical White *women* (and we know what they were) in the North Eastern area of the US might have made it a point to defy traditional custom by dating Black men, but even there they were a minority at that time. In the South it was simply not done at all then. In the CA areas, it went on as a very minority exercise (There were not that many radical leftist women dating Black Panthers, though they dearly loved the practice, they were *used* by the Black Militants who preferred there own color as a point of honor among the “pimp-mentality”.)…remember, the great race riots of that time were in the North…we did not have any in the South, to speak of and the ones we did have were started by Whites…The feds chose to focus upon the South especially Birmingham because of the fear of forced integration in the North and Mid-West especially in such areas as Boston (bussing) and other large white populated areas but the most audacious ones by Blacks were carried out in the North and California and Miami is *not* considered a Southern City by any means! Nor, Atlanta…certainly now! I am sure watching the black sailors with the too closely appearing to be *white women* Asians girls cause quite a bit of discomfort to the majority of white males. I have heard them speak of it too often. And the poor Asian girls, to them a man was a man and an American Dollar had no color. Nothing is hidden by the media, in fact Hollywood has always pushed integrated sex…to the point that no one would even mention it today…so a joke runs that *no decent Black Men are left for Black Women in America because the Kardashians have had them all*.

          • Young Werther

            Ha ha ha…I am not saying the Kardashians are white, mind you.

          • LHathaway

            Nearly every major city had forced busing. Most of them abandoned the practice sometime during the 1990’s

        • FransSusan

          Eeeuuuwww. How disgusting!

    • Yancy Derringer

      A second sandwich… I want to know the rule about that. Was one supposed to get a second sandwich for the asking or not?

      • LHathaway

        I bet you’ll be giving out a second sandwich, if asked. You probably should. It’s not like you the food is yours. . .

        • thomasdosborneii

          I for sure would. Why not? I know the situations aren’t comparable, but you made me think of what it was like back in my college dorm. In the cafeteria line, there was a server, a black woman, who most of the students disliked, saying she always doled out meager portions. But I was always nice to her and would say things like, “I sure love those mashed potatoes” and she would smile and say, “would like some more, sugar?” and I would say ,”oh yes, please” and she always would give me a lot. And anyway, for all of us, you develop a special feeling for someone who gives you food. That could be a very basic act of bonding.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            Yeah, but this was on a ship at sea. Food you eat now is food you can’t eat later.

      • RileyDeWiley

        I think the rule is, finish your firsts, then ask for seconds. He asked for seconds up front.

        Just a guess.

      • BlueSonicStreak

        I would have bet on the black crewmember, if only because I would think the food would be rationed to some degree.

      • FransSusan

        The question isn’t immaterial, but regardless of the answer the negro started a fight because of it. Who starts a fight over a sandwich?! An idiot negro.

        • Speedy Steve

          Come off it! How often do we read about some liquored-up African whacking his bro dead over the last drumstick?

          • Susan

            That’s right; in Atlanta a few years ago one shot another over a candy bar.

    • Lord Sandwich

      Behold the power of the sandwich.

  • Randall Ward

    Blacks can’t even defend their own countries in Africa, they rely on white private soldiers from SA. I was in the AF in Vietnam and in the service from 1967-1971. Blacks were treated like gold and put ahead of more qualified whites, yet blacks acted like thugs everytime I saw them. My best friend was a black from N.O., and he couldn’t stand the yankee blacks in our outfit.

    • Young Werther

      I know that must be true!

    • Sick of it

      I’m surprised he was the decent sort, being from New Orleans. The blacks there today are totally worthless.

      • Rurik

        It used to be they were usually quite mellow. In Viet Nam I had a Black friend who was from N.O. as was I. The worst of then seemed to come from New York and Chi-town.

        • Sick of it

          Section 8 housing programs have brought the worst of them from all over. Perhaps the locals were a better sort way back (and had more white blood).

        • The Worlds Scapegoat

          .

          Blacks from Philadelphia were the most anti-white when I was in the Army.

          .

          • Rurik

            Was never aware of encountering any of them, and I’ve never visited that “fair” town, and have every intention of keeping it that way, but courtesy of a friend who does live there, I’ve heard that may still be the case.

  • Young Werther

    wow …How very interesting! I once had a relative much older than I who spent his career on ships (before, during and after VNam) as a Chief and I never heard him mention anything like this…I would love to ask him about this topic but he is deceased. The Feds had come down hard on whites during this time and was mainly seeking to appease the power-revenge-crazed black militants who had been empowered by the funding from the government and underground organizations ie WeatherUnderground as well as Moscow $ and every black male outsider wanted to be a Black Panther or was to some degree…they were easy pickings for the draft. Once they begin to riot with that degree of outrageous indignation, they are baaaaad indeed. Such a small population of blacks among a crew of so many whites! I don’t quite know what to think…This one has to be thought of on a number of levels and angles.

  • Young Werther

    Now that makes total sense.

  • TheCogitator

    There was something to be said for the time when walking the plank was used to deal with such people. It would have given better results than what occurred.

    I wonder how many more problems the black sailors caused when they reentered civilian life?

  • George Costanza

    “With a sudden burst of resolve, Cloud reached down to a man standing in
    front of him and took his weapon, a heavy piece of steel about two feet
    long. With the weapon in hand, Cloud tore off his uniform shirt and
    tossed it away. He stood bare-chested before the crowd and thumped his
    chest hard with a fist as he looked at the other men fiercely. Fury and
    determination in his voice, he raised the weapon high and shouted.”…..”APES NOT KILL APES”

  • newscomments70

    wow, that’s not how things were in “Good Morning Vietnam” with Robin Williams. You should watch more Hollywood movies that rewrite history. Personal memories are irrelevant.

    • Sick of it

      The guys who could tell us what really happened won’t or they’re dead. My dad knew a guy who was a seal in Vietnam. He did a lot of nasty missions off the books and refused to talk about it until the day he died. One guy locally just cried about the things he did, but won’t talk about it. In the absence of truth, lies prevail.

      • newscomments70

        I know some veterans who will talk about it. You see them at various places, Amvets conventions, VA hospitals, or simply in the general public. They often wear their hats or T-shirts to commemorate their battalions, ships, etc. I used to know a former US Marine who was involved in the Vietnam war. Curiously, he was a Hollywood liberal working at the studios. Be that as it may, he did not think all that much of blacks. He was quite vocal about the “Hollywood myths” about racism during that era. He explained that they often accosted or attacked lone whites…fellow soldiers. They were also responsible for most of the rapes. One myth he hated was how the “black hero” would save the bumbling, incompetent whites in combat. That solely happened in silly movies. The opposite actually happened. Uneducated blacks, in that era, would become career NCO’s to escape poverty. They were basically illiterate and dangerously incompetent. To have such a an NCO was a death sentence. I do realize all of my info is second hand, but it is interesting and makes sense.

        • The Worlds Scapegoat

          “Uneducated blacks, in that era, would become career NCO’s to escape
          poverty. They were basically illiterate and dangerously incompetent. To
          have such a an NCO was a death sentence.”

          I wasn’t in Vietnam, but there were many incompetent black NCOs when I was in the Army in the 90’s.

          .

          • newscomments70

            I can imagine it’s much worse now. It has been going on since blacks and whites served together, I imagine. A former coworker of mine served on a battleship in WWII. He reported that black sailors would rob and brutalize white sailors. This was WWII when blacks were supposedly subservient to whites. I have told this story before, sorry to those who have already read it.

          • Speedy Steve

            Their career goal was to lecture YT about race relations. In 1973 I was forced to attend race realtions class; the goal of which was to make honkies grovel low to the African’ts.

  • Harry

    Black sailors murder white sailors all the time and the homicides are then labeled as suicides. The military is notorious for classifying suspicious deaths as suicides. It saves time, mountains of paperwork and prevents scandal.

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    Experienced the same type of Negro attitude and behavior during the early 70’s while serving in the AF, both on Guam and stateside.

    Why the creatures are allowed among us is more than I can understand.

    • anony

      We are forced to “allow” them among us by the full force of the federal government. Never forget the first time “they” were “allowed” into a public school in the South, it took the National Guard of Alabama with fixed bayonets to make it happen!

      No freedom of association.

      • FransSusan

        That is so true—the federal government forces this pestilence on white societies. Everyone on earth knows that blacks cannot function in a civilized society. The government knows; it’s a divide and conquer tactic which is the oldest trick in the book. That’s the intention of forced association.

        • anony

          This “salad bowl” country is being designed to fly apart; the only question is when will it happen?

  • John Smith

    Isn’t mutiny in time of war a capital offense? They should’ve been shot on the deck.

  • John Smith

    When my uncle was at Ft. Riley before he shipped off to Vietnam, just after JFK got blown away, he said they had about a dozen negroes in their barracks and a few stunk, so the white guys, especially the Texans and Coonasses, got wire brushes from the motorpool and scrubbed them down until they were bleeding. He also said that most were thugs and the Southern boys flat told them they’d kill them if they started anything.

    • ” He also said that most were thugs and the Southern boys flat told them they’d kill them if they started anything.”
      THAT is exactly how you have to handle blacks. They are accustomed to harsh and cruel discipline. That is how black families are and why they are so violent. You seem to understand that race well.

      • newscomments70

        ” That is how black families are and why they are so violent. ” I wasn’t aware that black familes existed. Close to 80% are born out of wedlock.

        • Strider73

          Before LBJ’s welfare state began in 1965, black illegitimacy was only a few percentage points higher than whites’. If his goal was to destroy the black family, he succeeded beyond his wildest expectations.

          • newscomments70

            Liberals aimed to destroy the family structure, as well as religion. They want to state to control everything. They want people to reject God, marriage and family. All devotion must be given to the state.

      • brazos

        when in the navy in the 70;s the southerners were the only ones who stood up to the blacks, if trouble, the officers always took the side of the blacks,yt don”t join the military.

  • Shocking. I thought mutiny at war time is punished with death penalty. Black privilege allows them do do mayhem and not be punished?

    MRA Mens rights activists have a term “pussy pass” for women not being held accountable like men, for committing crime with impunity. Is there a similar word for black privilege?

    It seems that, on the opposite, Blacks need stricter discipline than Whites, not looser discipline.

    • FransSusan

      Good point: “…not being held accountable like men, for committing crime with impunity. Is there a similar word for black privilege?”

    • InAFreeCountry

      I’ve just been calling it Black Privilege.

  • superlloyd

    ‘The subcommittee is of the position that the riot on Kitty Hawk consisted of unprovoked assaults by a very few men, most of whom were of below-average mental capacity, most of whom had been aboard for less than one year, and all of whom were black.’

    When ignorant, low IQ negroes gather together in groups violence and criminality is always the result. These grunts should never have been hired.

    • Spikeygrrl

      “Grunts” are infantry. The word you’re looking for is “squids.”

      • superlloyd

        Thanks for the information. I’ve amended my post accordingly.

      • Quido

        I could not believe the lack of discipline and the trouble caused by blacks when I was in the army. I would rather an under strength squad than having
        those people with me.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Well, you know what ARMY means:

          Aren’t
          Real
          Marines
          Yet
          😀

          Please forgive me for a little interbranch humor. 🙂

          Evidently you were never part of a unit with a clear mission. That’s all too common with Barry Soetoro as nominal C-in-C.

          My husband is a career USN FMF “Doc” (a USN “corpse man” who gets tons of extra, specialized training in order to deploywith Marines). Docs KNOW what they’re there for, and will even stabilize enemy combatants after all OUR BOYS are taken care of.

          I honestly don’t care what color ANYBODY is, after they’ve made a CAREER COMMITMENT (20 years or more) to VOLUNTARILY serve our country.

          It’s entirely possible that your opinion was correct in the days of the military draft. But I emphatically dispute its relevance in today’s ALL VOLUNTEER Armed Forces.

          • Quido

            Well taken Spiceygirl: but in the airborne we thought the marines were great troops but weren’t quite paratroop material.

          • Spikeygrrl

            ROTFL! Attaboy 😀

      • Sick of it

        What about swabbies?

  • Jake Frizzell

    An interesting story. America’s first illegal war right after it’s last legitimate POTUS was murdered. Coddling negroes became the national past time too. Trying to imagine how things would have turned out if the criminal negroes and their supporters had been rounded up and thrown overboard.

    • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

      I guess the sharks would not have eaten the negroes because they would have thought they were whale turds

      • Strider73

        [sarc] You mean they wouldn’t be circling that location to this day waiting for more? [/sarc]

  • Don’t worry. Now many of the “thugs” of 1972 are now serving top positions in the government and even in the Justice Department.

  • mikefromwichita

    Captain Townsend and Commander Cloud a matched set of utter incompetents. ANY real naval officer would have killed mutineers until the survivors surrendered and then executed those after a quick court martial.

    • Sick of it

      Any real naval officer wouldn’t have been in the pocket of our Communist government.

  • Sick of it

    I’m not sure when you served, but blacks may have been pushed into non-combat positions after fragging incidents.

  • PvtCharlieSlate

    When I was in Vietnam in the 1st Cavalry, that fist-bump thing was an entire ritual with parts that signified this, that & the other idiot black thing and that took so much time to complete that there were stories of black soldiers missing their flights back home. The whole stupid thing was called “doin’ the dap”.

    • HE2

      Do you recall “The First Beard” fist dapping Obooga when he won the first election?

      New Yorker Magazine cartoonized the event on their cover, with Mooshell carrying a rifle over her shoulder and sporting an Angela Davis ‘fro. The magazine received considerable outraged blowback about it.

      • Speedy Steve

        This one.

        • HE2

          That is the one. I saved my copy, too.

  • PvtCharlieSlate

    Since you spent 19 months in the Army and 14 months in Vietnam, it sounds like you and I did the same thing: extent our time in Vietnam in exchange for an early out. I spent 14 & 1/2 months in Nam and got out 6 months early (I was in for 3 – enlisted after being drafted). The Army sent me home about a month before my revised DEROS date. It was worth doing. If I had returned after the regular 12 months I would have spent the rest of my enlistment in Fort Collins painting rocks and trying to remember to salute Majors and below.

  • Cory Welch

    The last sentence took the words right out of my mouth! Of that we can be indeed sure of!

  • Light from the East

    There were 4,483 men, 302 of whom were black. They only accounted for 6.7% and created such huge problems. It will be totally destructive if the US army plans to begin the “diversity” program, recruiting more black men.

  • Lord Sandwich

    And thus is the result of being niggardly with the serving of the sandwiches.

  • Cid Campeador

    So what I got from this article is that naval vessels are floating models of American cities and each one has it’s own Bedford Stuyvesant, North or West Philly, East St. Louis, Riveria Beach and other assorted Ghettos below deck that are “NoGo” areas where White sailors dare not venture. I also hear that Army bases have areas that are pretty much the same.
    Join the Air Force for God’s sake you White people.

    • Strider73

      As an 8-year AF vet (1980s) I wonder if the situation is as bad there nowadays. That is especially true at the “joint bases” like Lewis-McChord in WA state that the Pentagon created to save money.

      Others here have said their time in the military was their racial epiphany. Not so in my case, because the AF of the 1980s put the “E” in EOT (equal opportunity & treatment). Blacks got no demerit allowance on inspections, no “race-norming” points on promotion tests, or anything else. In fact, any mention of race on a person’s job performance review form was strictly prohibited. As a result, everyone got along well and race simply did not matter. Were there some black creeps? Sure, but they would have been just as creepy had they been white. So my epiphany occurred upon leaving the AF and moving to the Dallas area. I quickly realized that the blacks I had worked with while in uniform were the “minority of the minority” and the criminal savagery I saw on the nightly newscasts was TNB. To call it “shock” would be a major understatement.

      • I suspect the establishment of an all-volunteer military weeded out a lot of the bad types even before basic.

        • Young Werther

          Certainly the criminal elements were among the many drafted of the Viet Nam era.

  • Hell_Is_Like_Newark

    The way chow lines work is if you want seconds, you have to wait until everyone has received their first servings. My navy JROTC worked like this and so did the Navy Academy back when I visited there (late ’80s).

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Shame on you for sleeping with prostitutes and that too nom white ones. Shame on you for also bragging about it online.

    • TCA

      Conceding your point, but he was a lot younger then, and times were different.

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        I too was young, but I did not do those kinds of things. So not an excuse.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Maybe 50 years or maybe even 100 year before these mutineers would have been shot. I guess PCness and coddling negroes got in the way of old school protocol.

    • Young Werther

      Certainly it is true that when the Federal Government determined to segregate it meant obvious and major changes would take place. The surprise came when facing a situation that many times mass urban Blacks were not only a mere sub-culture but a stunning militant Black Power counter-culture. No turning back. “Paved with Good Intentions”…but and idea that back-fired in many ways. As risky as a *dog* race…but the loss of civil society…I don’t think that was really *expected* from the liberals but a victory to the Left.

  • Lygeia

    The article states: “Black crewmembers had been allowed to live together in areas that became squalid…”

    And how did this happen? Clothes, of their own volition, fell to the floor? After repeated attempts by the black crewmember to sweep the floor, debris came walking back onto the floor with little spectral feet?

    Areas don’t “become squalid” people make them so.

    • IstvanIN

      The White sailors were given the clean, privileged bunk areas.

      • Lygeia

        You made me laugh. 🙂

    • Black civilians openly claim that whites dump trash in black neighborhoods.

      “Let’s see, I’ve had a hard day at the office. Tomorrow is trash day, and I can either carry the can out to the curb for pickup, go inside, take my shoes off and crack open a cold beer before dinner, or I can drive the trash halfway across town in continued rush-hour traffic and dump it. Decisions, decisions!”

      • Lygeia

        You made me laugh.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    I can only imagine how dirty and disgusting not to mention smelly the black area must have been. Must have been a mini floating Africa.

    • Starting with the later two ships of the Des Moines class heavy cruisers (USS Salem and USS Newport News), completed shortly after WW-2, the navy introduced air conditioning in warships, but in the filthy bunk spaces described in the article, the tropical Vietnamese humidity would have been quite unpleasant.

    • Young Werther

      Not necessary.

  • Bryan Dennis

    We’re not going to be able to stop the tide of un-American anti-white subversion diplomatically. It WILL continue to worsen as minority numbers continue to rise. We have a war to prepare for. It WILL come, it HAS to come or we WILL lose this country. Violence is the only option we have now. I am wholly convinced after witnessing the response of the country as a whole to the “controversial” death of Michael brown. Violence gentlemen. I just hope that our boys of today will -in the future- be man enough to stand up, for our MEN of today.. have been affectively neutered by liberal society. Personally, I am at the door with my shoes tied, holding a clean gun, looking to the street and waiting to see the others who’ve had enough. When I see them marching down that street towards the capital, rifles on shoulder, then I will race out to join them.

    • Young Werther

      Interesting…it is hard or impossible at times to know when one is reading a post from a real person just stating his truth, or a government sanctioned *troll*, FBI agent or ACLU/SPLC monitor, a child-man or girl, a nut, or what. The Authentic White *knows* when the real war started and why. The Authentic White knows what to openly advocate and what not to state aloud. The Authentic White has always been ready to defend himself when and where it is necessary. The Authentic White knows what to say and who to say it to, when to speak and when to observe. The Authentic White never needs to *fish*. The Authentic White knows who wants him dead and why. The Authentic White will never seek to destroy those who wish to dwell in peace nor cause him pain. The Authentic White will never die. The Authentic White does not feel the need to *hate* in order to know his greatness. The Authentic White has no social guilt for he is cleansed through the acts of death and violence always directed and perped agaist him. the Authentic White does not do that which advocates his demise.

    • Young Werther

      One thing is certain; The spirit of a world collective ideology “…the tide of un-American anti-White subversion…” will not end, peacefully or otherwise.

    • Susan

      I don’t think the US government will allow that, and will do everything possible to squash any kind of white, armed rebellion. The corrupt US government has militarized police depts. all over the country….maybe for that very purpose.

  • anony

    Thanks for the recommendation; I bought the kindle version on your recommendation and have read about half of it. Outstanding book!

    I second your recommendation.

  • Left-wing French navy minister Camille Pelletan from 1902 to 1905 used a similar, deliberately lackadaisical approach to wreck discipline in the French navy.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      $5 says he has the same ancestors as Mark, Engels, and Lenin.

      .

  • Luca

    Most veterans can attest that time spent in military service was their indoctrination in racial realism, as it was for me. Forced to live among them was enough of a life’s lesson for me.

    Most were predators, drug addicts and self segregated so that they could indulge in their primitive bonding, racism, music, and vulgar language.

    • Young Werther

      All races have their bottom feeders. They are always obvious.

      • Luca

        Of course. But it is the ratios that matter.

        • Young Werther

          Yes, I completely agree!

        • LACountyRedneck

          And there’s a huge difference in ratio. That’s the problem. And Whites that point that out are RACISTS.

  • fredyetagain

    I was in the Marine Corps in the late 80’s. I had a conversation with a Latino buddy of mine (who had served in the Army previously) in which he used the dreaded ‘n-word’ to refer to blacks. A little surprised by his choice of vocabulary, I pointed out a few of our fellow Marines who were black and seemed like decent enough fellows. I will never forget his response: “Yeah they’re fine while they’re in the minority, but once they get the numbers on their side, watch out …”. I will never forget that conversation, and the wisdom of what he said has only been confirmed by my subsequent experiences.

    • Young Werther

      That generally appears to be the case.

  • To paraphrase the movie line, “Me hate you long time”? Sex should be friendly.

    • InAFreeCountry

      Same movie, “No boom-boom soul brother. Too beaucoup.”

  • Young Werther

    One learns quickly by experience. It is crucial to have these dis-pleasing experiences. Forged through fire…one is ever-mindful.

  • Young Werther

    Most of the time it takes something seemingly small to ignite what already simmers.

  • Whites have been defanged & declawed thanks to lefty propaganda and white guilt. Whites are going to continue to be pummeled until they can’t take it anymore. Its coming probably in my lifetime. Having had quite a few very unpleasant encounters with blacks esp the evil black woman I have taught my children well. No PC in my househod.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    Like the communists, the only thing nigros understand is force: It is evident in this incident, just as it was evident in Ferguson, MO, where that phony, lying fraud of a Governor told law enforcement and the National Guard to “stand down” during its riots…

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

    “It’s also clear that some of the black sailors were looking for
    grievances, however trivial, that in their minds would justify violence.”

    That is what they always do: TNB

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  • Earl P. Holt III

    The greatest differences between the Armed Forces and civilian life are disparities in DISCIPLINE and AUTHORITY. Most blacks are unable to adjust to either, as evidenced by their infinitely greater rates of violent crimes, property crimes, traffic violations, and the fact that they can’t even keep their pants up…

  • rebelcelt

    My wifes’ cousin told me stories of Blacks roaming the base he was on in Germany and attacking Whites. He was in his Barracks and a fellow soldier came running in saying the Blacks were attacking. They grabbed their rifles and Bayonets and waited for them. Of course they had no desire to attack a bunch of men who were waiting for them. But, they did hit a few barracks with large numbers and total surprise and badly injure a lot of soldiers. Most people do not realize that in the 70s many bases were unsafe for whites. The Servicemen felt much safer off base than on.

  • NavajoNation

    I just downloaded, and look forward to starting it tonight. Thanks for the recommendation.

  • Mark Hillyard

    In Germany 1969-71 I was in Field Artillery both in Nuremberg and Zirndorf. The Black Panthers had a uniform consisting of combat boots, blue jean pants and jacket with a black beret which had a logo of a black panther set in a purple background. After work hours they’d generally change uniforms and cause trouble. One time they were going to set a prisoner free. The battery commander held a formation and issued a .45 and an M14 fully loaded. He told us, “If the Black Panthers attempt to free Spriggins I’ll be the first to shoot anyone trying. They gathered, approx. 20 of them but once they found out we were armed and standing ready in our rooms waiting for a call they apparently changed their plan. They took Spriggins away the following Monday and we never heard of him again. However the Panthers never stopped. However the extra uniform did go away. That’s where I learned to hate after living with them for 18 months. Before that I’d never had any contact with black people and had no opinion one way or another. I’ve calmed down a lot since then but I still do not trust them for anything.
    That was one of many confrontations with them but the brass was able to keep it out of the news for the most part until they killed and guy packed up and ready to go home. A few days later some white guy(s) ambushed the leader and killed him in a stairway. Don’t know the outcome of that or whether the white guy was ever caught. No one was talking and I wouldn’t have either.
    One guy from Texas got ambushed by them in the Grafenberg (spell) training area but he gutted one of them with a broken beer bottle and got out of there. When he told me about it, (I was a corporal) I asked him if he’d gotten rid of any bloody clothing and such with all insignia removed, and he said he did so I told him not to worry about it.

    This stuff happened constantly and I always suspected the Kitty Hawk thing was racial in nature.

  • Richard Roelofsen

    Interesting analysis of race relations in a closed of environment. I remember seeing a michael moore documentary about guns, or the war on terror. There were young African-American males lined up to join the military, back then I was surprised to see that. I assume that they were joining as a job opportunity/paying college tuition etc, instead of falling for nationalist rhetoric in the aftermath of 9-11, but I’m sure that people here can give me a better insight as to why young blacks join the military.

    Another interesting point to note is that blacks in the US were overwhelmingly opposed to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. I was shocked when I saw the polling, since back then a big majority of (white) Americans supported this foolish military campaign. I wouldn’t even be surprised if a majority of amren commentators were supportive of that war. I don’t know what the reasoning of African-Americans was in opposing that war, but as they say a broken clock is right twice a day (or once a day which for them is impressive enough I would guess).

    • Harry

      Getting rid of Saddam Hussein opened Pandora’s Box.

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        I think the US Civil War in 1861 opened Pandora’s Box.

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    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      I was against the war with Iraq – even in 1990

    • Susan

      War is a Racket. There’s never been a good one.

  • Chasmania

    I know when I was in the Navy during the 80s that you would rarely see an area so dominated by whites as the Nuclear Power Program.

  • UncleSham

    Fair play for all is not a White value. That idea was never put into practice until the cultural revolution of the 1960s. That stupid idea is the reason we are facing genocide.

  • Speedy Steve

    The US military did not start to lose wars until Truman implemented full integration. Then the dominoes began to tumble; Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, etc. The African is only skilled at cowardice.

    • Richard Roelofsen

      Iraq? Perhaps you forgot that war was justified on false claims (weapons of mass destruction, Iraq deploying biological weapons withing 45 minutes, ties between Iraq and 9/11 etc.).

      For whatever reason the majority of US blacks were opposed to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Tell us, were you in favor of that illegal war? Do you think the US has the right to invade a country on the other side of the globe, overthrow its government and do so on false claims all the while lecturing others (Russia in Ukraine, China in the South China Sea, Iran in Syria and Lebanon etc.) about their supposed interference in other countries affairs? Is that how you define that so called valor and bravery of the US soldier? The US did not lose in Iraq due to blacks that is an absurd claim. The US lost due to the pressure it was put on by Iran (supporting shia rebel groups, providing them with sophisticated weaponry that ensured US soldiers returned home in body bags etc.). As they say, you reap what you sow and the US was punished for its arrogance and lost the war. Blaming this on a small group of African-Americans signals a lack of knowledge of that war. The greatest blame lies with the decision makers most of whom were white (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton) or ‘the group that cant be mentioned’ (Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Netanyahu etc.). Only two blacks at the top back then (Powell, Rice) and for what it’s worth they were the most critical.

  • Speedy Steve

    That’s what happens when White men get exposed to the filthy habits of sub-humans. I was not impressed by any negro I met in the navy. The good-natured ones were incompetent to the point of being dangerous, and the angry, violent ones were dangerous anyway.

  • Cid Campeador

    That was the first mutiny and here we are having put up with this outrage for the last 60 years, The Kitty Hawk incident didn’t include rape, sodomy, mutilation and murder.

  • Spikeygrrl

    A long story not worth the telling. 30 years later I still kick myself around the block for it at least once or twice a week.

    Short version: the proverbial “Some Guy.” (We’ve all had one at least once. Right, ladies?)

  • Luis

    I note that the author mentions the “Kitty Hawk Mutiny” report contains a frankness of the diagnoses of problems with Bantus that would not be mentioned today. Not only is that because of the “politically correct” mindset of today; but, back then the House and Senate were controlled by Democrats, and most of those committee chairmen in the House were white Southern Democrats. A far-cry from the mealy-mouthed Republican “tea party favorite” (how I hate that term) who may head up a committee today.

  • Seniorsquadldr

    More proof the races can not mix. Apartheid is the only way forward. Provide the negro his own place to erect an emerald city. Peace and prosperity for all will reign.

  • There was one from Chicago where black woman murdered her black son (“he ran into my knife 50 times”) because he ate her ice cream.

  • John Smith

    No, he was Chinese and German. It was his henchmen who were Chingros.

  • John Smith

    Besides, no way he’d be remotely smart enough to take over the world if he were half-negro.

  • Young Werther

    Is this a *trick* question? LOL
    It seems quite possible to me that during The War Between The States aka American Civil War, there could have been free Blacks from the north and freed or escaped Black -African Slaves from the Confederate States fighting for the Union, and some fighting for the South’s CSA with the ability to speak one of the hundreds of Bantu languages of Africa.
    As far as the number of deaths of Black-Americans fighting in Vietnam due to the draft or otherwise, I rather doubt they spoke one of the Bantu languages of the Bantu peoples but it is not impossible certainly.
    I too have heard that both the Southern White and the North and South Black death rates of soldiers during Vietnam were greater by way of general % of population. Poor Blacks anywhere were not in universities ie *students* nor were Poor Southern Whites anywhere, but I understand among the Poor Whites of the South the volunteer rate was higher than that of the Poor Northern Whites…even during the 1960s much of the South was farm land, and could not compare to the industry in the North which allowed poor Whites to work, but no job at all and without the status of *student* one would bound to be an mmediate draft target.
    The Military Records of that war should provide all the data on that particular question (if one believes government records at all.) , however I don’t see any reason the Military’s data should be questioned for that particular era do you? I can see there might be an agenda later on that will allow or demand the cooking of of those data records…can’t you?

  • ssohara

    I didn’t see Gran Torino that way. I thought it had realistic portrayals of different groups of people in which the white working class of an older generation (aka Clint) came across as much more heroic than the younger, materialistic whites who grew up getting everything handed to them. Blacks were portrayed in a thuggish way as were some of the Vietnamese (I think they were Vietnamese in the movie). After all, the kid had to steal a car to join a gang, right? So the elderly white guy scares off the much younger Asian kid. Which seems to make the old guy more heroic, actually.

    Frankly, I thought Clint’s character was very heroic and admirable, and he was white. He was also honest. He did not coo over people of different races the way leftists do – he was actually somewhat offensive, but he was also a genuine human being capable of real empathy and strength of character.
    Of course many of the Vietnamese were portrayed very well, but so what? It is a genuinely family-oriented culture. The thugs were not portrayed well at all, and that is also a realistic facet of the movie and something leftists would not like – realistically pointing out that there are plenty of non-whites who are criminals.

  • Benton L. Bradberry

    I was a Lieutenant Commander and pilot in the Navy, based at Bihn Thuey in the Vietnam delta when this event occurred. I can verify that every word of the Navy’s description of the cause and effect of the rioting is correct in every detail. There was no discrimination against blacks in the Navy at that time. If anything, they were coddled and pampered. As a result, we had constant trouble with the black sailors in Vietnam. Just as today, with the national epidemic of black violence against whites, the black rioters were just blacks being blacks. The Navy’s big mistake was its reluctance to deal with the matter firmly and resolutely. The Navy should have responded immediately with all force necessary. It did not, and things, predictably, got out of hand.

    • archer

      It was no different in the army in Viet Nam. Things have not changed, only gotten worse.

  • pwnful truth

    When I was in the Army, I ended up in a unit which was overwhelmingly black. Not more than 5% of the NCOs were white. e4 and below were about 60 percent black, 15 percent latino, and 25% white. This story of the race riot at sea rings very much true. Our barracks were a “No-Go Zone” for officers, garbage all over the place, vandalism, and black on white abuse which always came with the threat of violence. Woe be the man who stood brave in the face of it. You would be beaten down by more than one black person, and then kicked out of the army for being racist. Our first sergeant had his rank on a gold tooth up front, drove a drug dealermobile car, and would put us at attention and give long winded black power speeches while strutting around the ranks staring down us white soldiers.

    Since I got out twenty years ago, I have had occasion to speak to scores of prior service and retired military, and have heard the same stories, over and over again, of race riots, abusive blacks promoted into authority and a command structure who are, to a man, so protective of their own careers that they dared never address the problem. It’s hard to blame them when every single officer who dared attempt to address the roblem ended up wth his head on a pike, including General George Patton III, son of the greatest soldier of the twentieth century. There seems nothing the Army is more afraid of than incurring PC wrath. I cannot count the numbers of young men who I saw ruined by the misfortune of going to this unit. You might say there’s a whole ruined Army.

  • archer

    The army also lowered it’s standards when the volunteer army came into being to help fill it’s ranks around ’73.

  • Jon

    Those war should have been the best chance to draft and off load a lot of black away from our country. I mean draft them by the 100k and off load them on isolated island or better yet off load them on a communists nation. Should have dumped them off on north vietnam as well as North korea then sail away.

  • Marthinus Potgieter

    This group, as a whole, acted as ‘thugs,’ which raises doubt as to whether they should ever have been accepted into military service in the first place. – sums it up for me !

  • That was a wonderful post in every way. Thank you.