Face to Face with Race

John Engelman, American Renaissance, December 4, 2014

Firsthand accounts give up-close views of racial diversity.

Face to Face with Race, edited by Jared Taylor, New Century Books, 2014, 211 pp., $19.95 (soft cover), $4.95 (Kindle).

Face to Face with Race brings the reader face to face with the realities that justify race realism. These realities are conveyed in 14 essays about personal experiences that originally appeared in American Renaissance, either in the print version or on the website. The message of each of these essays is that racial differences are real and innate, and mean that the presence of blacks in this country is a perpetual burden.

In his introduction to this collection, Jared Taylor writes that he likes statistics more than anecdotes but that sometimes anecdotes offer insights that statistics cannot:

Statistics are not reality; they are only a way to try to interpret reality. It is useful to know that the average black IQ is one standard deviation lower than the average white IQ, but what does that mean?

Some of the essays suggest answers to that question. In Christopher Jackson’s “A White Teacher Speaks Out,” he includes a poignant quotation from a black student who is struggling with an assignment: “I cain’t do dis Mr. Jackson. I black.” When Mr. Jackson asked his students what would happen to them if whites suddenly disappeared, one answered candidly, “We screwed.” The others laughed in agreement.

African blacks reportedly have the same view. In an article called “South Africa under Black Rule,” Gedaliah Braun wrote, “Ask any African why blacks can’t, for example, make airplanes or computers and he’ll look at you as if you were foolish for asking, since the answer is obvious: ‘The white man has the brains for it, and we don’t.’ ”

Black incompetence sometimes appears in places where one might not expect it. Black athletic prominence, as well as high black rates of violent crime, might suggest that blacks would be good combat soldiers. This does not seem to be the case.

In “Diversity in the Army,” retired Army officer Duncan Hengest writes that “in Iraq, I was repeatedly astonished by the inability of many senior black officers to think through problems.” One of the examples he gives is a suggestion by a black officer in Iraq to put “snipers in trees.” That officer apparently had not noticed that there not many trees in Iraq, and that the few one finds there are mostly palm trees–which are of no use to snipers.

Another problem in the Army is that blacks usually require remedial training. Weapons are more complex than in the past, and it takes intelligence to learn how to use them.

Some blacks are unwilling to fight. Mr. Hengest writes that “one cannot read about the Korean War without running into tales of black units that were unable to hold together under fire.” He adds that “the all-black 24th Infantry was notorious for hasty retreats.”

Finally, black soldiers are more likely than whites to commit serious crimes. “As a peacetime platoon leader, I was always being roped into rape investigations,” writes Mr. Hengest. “Invariably the suspects were black. Whites would get drunk and rowdy, but I never knew one to be a rapist.”

In an article called “Fighting ‘Discrimination’ Rather Than Fires,” Ray Batz writes that firefighting requires more intelligence than most blacks have, and more strength than most women have. Political pressure to increase the numbers of blacks and women in departments has resulted in drastically lowered hiring standards. Mr. Batz notes that “some women are simply too weak to raise even the 24 foot ladder, one of the lightest in use.”

Mr. Batz claims that “it is impossible to know” how much the quality of firefighting has declined since departments have been forced to hire blacks and women, but concludes that “quota hiring has undoubtedly meant that people have died who did not have to die. Buildings burned that did not have to burn.” This is probably true, but it would be interesting to know if there are any studies that throw light on this.

Many people have a strong desire to believe that blacks are equal to whites in every way, and that race preferences are a legitimate way to make up for past discrimination. It is therefore useful to read about the actual consequences of preference policies.

In “Blacks and High Steel,” Tom Dilberger writes that when apprenticeships in steel frame construction for skyscrapers were opened to blacks, “they all failed.” This was unacceptable, so a judge who knew nothing about steel framing ruled that the standards had to be changed so blacks could succeed in the apprentice program.

“When black men started filtering on to the job,” writes Mr. Dilberger, “it was clear from the beginning that they had no ability to do the work.” He continues:

Before long, it became impossible to fire any but the very worst. Courts mandated that a certain percentage of the workforce, especially on government jobs, be made up of black men.

Denis Ruiz writes about the changes in Fairview Village, New Jersey, where he grew up. What was a pleasant white community changed drastically after blacks moved in and is now, in Mr. Ruiz’s words, “a wasteland.” His mother has been unable to move away: “Recently, a black teenager knocked my mother to the ground, injuring her, and took her purse. That sort of thing was unheard of in the old neighborhood, but it is common now.” This is an example of the terrible reality many people encounter when they come face to face with race.

There are two articles in this anthology about what life is like for white prisoners. There are many fascinating details about the enforced racial intimacy that prison means for whites, but a number of observations stand out. One is that blacks are so loud that most whites–and even a few blacks–wear ear plugs 24 hours a day. Another is that black prisoners masturbate publicly whenever they see a female prison guard. At least in the Texas prison system, this has been so common that prison trousers are made without flies.

Prison is a place where illusions cannot last. Fantasies are stripped away when people of different races are forced together, and these articles describe the resulting racial conflicts in blunt terms. It is no surprise that virtually all inmates of all races would like to be segregated, but out-of-touch judges have ruled against this obvious solution to prison conflict.

My chief regret about this collection is that it does not include anything by Mary Morrison. She is a public school teacher in the Los Angeles area who has written several articles for American Renaissance about such things as the race gap in achievement, the yearly and futile efforts to close that gap, and how teachers, rather than racial reality, are always blamed for the gap. Her articles could have provided a worthy addition to this book.

I also wish that some of the essays were not limited to personal experiences–fascinating though these are–but included more general observations. For example, Gedaliah Braun, who has lived for many years in South Africa, writes that “probably the most significant direct effect of black rule has been the dramatic rise in crime, primarily black-on-white crime.” There must be statistics on how such things as murder rates, median income, and per capita GDP have changed since blacks started running the country.

I understand that the purpose of this collection was to let people speak from experience rather than present research results, but I think the book would have been stronger if it had not been quite so subjective. Even so, the cumulative impact of these articles–all of which have the ring of authenticity–is a forceful demonstration of the folly of pretending that race is anything but a terrible fault line in American society.

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  • dd121

    Trying to explain bell curves and standard deviation to liberals is a complete waste of time.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Yeah, it could be that a book of anecdotal horror stories like this will change more minds.

      One thing that makes this book so convincing is that the contributors are not political activists with an axe to grind but regular working people who initially bore no ill will toward blacks.

      A well-written review by Mr. Engleman.

      • Ron Cheaters

        Sounds like a great book to loan out to friends who are sitting on the fence. I’ve always printed out the articles and passed them along. But having a collection in book form would be so much better and more authorative.

        • Earl P. Holt III

          People don’t fail to become race realists because they don’t have enough evidence, it’s because they don’t have enough guts…

          • JohnEngelman

            Most people allow their likes and dislikes to influence their judgment of what is true and false. A person who has had agreeable experiences with blacks will be prone to ignore disagreeable information about them.

          • Reynardine

            Wait, there’s people with agreeable experiences with blacks? Watching the Cosby show in a 95% white town in Middle America does not count.

          • JohnEngelman

            At every school I have ever attended the black population was under five percent.

            Affluent whites usually know few blacks. Those few are usually exceptional, or they occupy subordinate positions without resentment.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Subordinate positions is key. White supervisors of Blacks seldom witness the ugly reality of the Negro temperament. White co-workers do, but are forced to conform to political correctness while on the job. Political correctness prevents racial reality from coming to the fore, as it did years ago. White workers have been muzzled, and muzzled most specifically with regards to speaking out about Black behavior.

          • pcmustgo

            I would argue that experiencing Blacks “on the job” is not the best way to experience their temperament. Hanging out with them socially, informally, as “friends” is. People put on their best, fake self on the job.

          • fartun dore

            What exactly is “black behavior” and “negro temperament”? Oh, I know, you just want to demonize black people because of color to justify your hatred. You and others like are the problem in America. If you don´t like black people I suggest you move to another planet because this one is taken by people of color, and whites are increasingly becoming a minority. Nice to see racists´world shrink by the day 🙂 Your days are numbered, haters.

          • fgbrunner3

            Actually, when hard times come, many people in the Third World will not survive.

          • Ace

            You must be like the guy writing his resume. He puts down 10 years of experience but, in reality, it’s one year of experience repeated 10 times. It actually is possible to have actual, personal experiences and draw valid conclusions from them.

            Here’s an example of black behavior:

          • dd121

            In this thread I made some complementary remarks about you and it was removed! Oh well. Nice review.

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you.

          • Ace

            It might be worse than that. They allow their judgment to be influenced by an ideal image of blacks. If actual experience (with no ideal image at work) enters as to one type I wonder if actual experience of another will be ignored. I think a reasonable person is quite capable of holding both experiences in mind without having one overshadow the other.

            That woman who got raped in Haiti and somehow blamed white Western civilization instead of the savage is one who obviously will never learn from the most negative direct experiences but, then, she’s one who’s focused on the nonexistent ideal.

          • scottthestrategerist

            Not so! Facts turned me around. Before that, race was only a peripheral issue. I didn’t even pick fights w/ racial couples. Ah, so long ago…

          • Earl P. Holt III

            You are saying that you BECAME a race realist because of the preponderance of evidence: I’m saying that the people who FAIL to become race realists do not lack the necessary evidence to become a race realist, they lack the guts. (The truth is not for everyone…)

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Exactly. This is the book for all White fence sitters. For many of us, it will be a long overdue journey into all too familiar territory. Territory we would have been able to avoid if racial integration had not been forced on our land. We Whites need to quit thinking of Negro ineptitude and sociopathy as The White Man’s Burden. The failures of Blacks are 99% attributable to Blacks. Failure to engage proper aforethought, exercise impulse control, and adopt and learn the key psychological attributes of European society. Self Control and Self Discipline. White culture rests on a moral code. Refraining from acting on our impulses. Doing something because it is right and good just. Not because we feel like it. The Negro race has had more than ample opportunity to learn all of this, but, with the exception of a very small number of Blacks, has brazenly refused to do so. Their wholesale disdain for the moral foundations of our culture is more evident now than ever. Negroes holding thugs such as Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin up as heroes and martyrs, instead of as violent sociopaths, shows what lies within the hearts and minds of most Negroes.

          • LHathaway

            It’s their failure to keep from tormenting whites. Secondary to that (primary for some) is our dwindling numbers that will never stop dropping lower and lower. If you are simply incapable, no one is obsessed with you. No one even cares.

          • Earl P. Holt III

            I agree with every point, except one: The vast majority of blacks could never learn to adopt all those “key psychological attributes” of European society.

            It is this very fact which compelled powerful decision-makers to force-integrate schools, neighborhoods and the workplace, while transferring $23 TRILLION in welfare from whites to blacks since the mid-1960s.

            It also explains the persistence of “Affirmative-Action”…

        • Hannon

          Or you can just take them to the ghetto and watch them squirm. Actions speak louder than words and nobody enjoys being in a black neighborhood, not even black people.

          • Reynardine

            Especially black people.

          • Ace

            Did you see the stampede in some southern city, I think? Blacks living in their blighted, crime-ridden area raced (!!!) at oh dark 30 to the city office handing out applications to get a highly, highly limited number of Section 8 vouchers so they could move to a white area. It was pandemonium.

      • dd121

        Do you suppose that’s OUR John Engelman?

        • The Dude

          I’m pretty sure that’s him. He already wrote an essay last year.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            No doubt in my mind. I don’t agree with John on everything, but one thing is for sure. John Engelman is dedicated to the cause of racial realism, and is not afraid to put his reputation on the line for the cause of racial realism. I give John a lot of credit for putting this book out there.

        • silviosilver

          If Jared Taylor had anything to do with publishing Engelman (and he almost certainly did) I have lost all respect for him.

          • Cheri Rodriguez

            You’re forgetting that Jared Taylor was born in Japan and speaks Japanese fluently. So there’s the slant (no pun intended).

          • dd121

            If you read these posts long enough, you’ll find yourself agreeing with him most of the time.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        I agree. Personal anecdotes from everyday workers about the stress and suffering they endure due to Negro behavioral patterns are far more effective tools for our cause than mere stats. These personal anecdotes touch the emotions. I’ve been in the trenches myself dealing with Negroes as a tall, blue eyed Teuton. Blacks are extremely racist. Most of the time, a non-Negro is never going to win with them for this very reason. Negroes have the very “us versus them” mentality that Bill Clinton naively strove to excise from the American psyche. Negroes have not evolved or progressed whatsoever in learning to accept those unlike them, while Whites have been forced to abide by the rules of this diversity dictatorship, or lose our livelihoods. Blacks customarily refer to us as “Caucasians” in the workplace, yet we are not afforded equal freedom of speech to refer to them as “Negroes”. This excellent book is opening the bedroom door a mere crack on a subject where the door needs to be flung wide open by Whites. Our forebears built the greatest country on earth. Now, we are forced to stand muzzled by the politically correct thought Police while Negroes tear down what our forebears died to build!!! It is time to throw the door wide open, and continue what this book has started, telling the unabashed truth about Negroes. Thank you, John Engelman, for putting your name and reputation on the line for your race. The White Race. I look forward to reading this book, and to a continuing series of such books.

      • dd121

        The nearly universal response I get from liberals when trying to explain how intellectually challenged blacks are by explaining the double bell curves of blacks and whites is: “but I know some really brilliant black guy”. Well, big whoop, so do I but that completely misses the point. .

        • LHathaway

          What’s the point, that, if blacks perpetually remain behind whites on the bell curve, even if so. . . there will be tens of thousands of blacks in our country who are smarter than nearly all whites, and that people should be treated as individuals?

          • Ace

            “Treated as individuals” is an amorphous term. To me it means a truthful assessment of each individual.

            The Atlanta school cheating scandal had school administrators supplying the answers to tests to the predominately black school kids because they knew the students were incapable of doing well on the test. Some of those officials lost their jobs, which is all to the good, but only after the scandal was revealed.

            Before that, they didn’t treat their students as individuals who might pass or fail on their own merit. They treated them all as a group that cannot measure up and so needs unethical help.

            The existing preferred solution to black academic failure continues to be curriculum reform, better teachers, better teacher training, more computers, nice buildings, smaller class size, and being tucked in at night. No WAY will there be an honest recognition that blacks are either fatally unmotivated or simply less intelligent than their Asian and white competitors.

        • pcmustgo

          most Liberals I know don’t believe in IQ or any form of intelligence testing or statistics anyways.

      • Rommel15

        It might be a good article, but please keep in mind that Mr. Engleman despises non-Jews and has a long history of attacking White Nationalist minded people with comments that reek of philosemitism.

      • fartun dore

        BS! Nothing couldn´t be further from the truth.

    • Luca

      Liberals have no use for common sense, logic, facts, evidence, statistics or reasonable arguments that do not support their agenda. And most don’t.

      • Reynardine

        Many leftists I know are brilliant mathematicians, programmers, and statisticians. The thing is, when they walk out the door, they shut off their brains and make fundamentally irrational decisions in their day-to-day lives. Being intelligent doesn’t guarantee you’re correct at everything: it doesn’t occur to them to apply the methods of investigation that they worship to outside the workplace.

        Conservatives at work, however, are much better big-picture and long-term thinkers and have a better propensity for engineering, design, and general problem solving.

        • David Ashton

          Intelligence is necessary but not sufficient. Common-sense helps. Was it Voltaire who said the problem with common-sense is that it is not very common?

        • Luca

          Liberals are not stupid, they are well read and well educated. They simply can’t see the consequences of their hair-brained schemes.

          They think because a program has a nice sounding name there is no down side to it. They tend to be the artistic types and not the scientific types. A liberal is someone who will do the same thing over and over and watch it fail yet continue to have faith in it because it looks good on paper. They will justify their actions based on their intentions and never recognize what a dismal failure it is and destined to always be.

          • JohnEngelman

            A liberal is someone who will do the same thing over and over and watch it fail yet continue to have faith in it because it looks good on paper.

            – Luca

            That sounds like the conservative dogma that tax cuts pay for themselves.

            When it comes to tax cuts conservatives have adopted the hippy slogan of the late 1960’s: “If it feels good, do it.”

            Conservatives also believe that less government means more economic growth, despite the fact that during the twentieth century the economy nearly always grew more under Democratic presidents.

          • Luca

            Liberal strategy = tax and spend, then tax some more; using this model what will happen? I have friends from Sweden and Canada which are quasi-socialist and have high taxes. They have told me that high taxes create underground economies and black markets, it’s that simple. Just like that black guy in NYC, Eric Garner, was selling black market cigarettes because in NYC they are $12+ per pack. That cost is related to taxes because in W.Virginia where taxes are lower a pack is about $4.84

            We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. All that does is chase corporations overseas.

            Liberals punish success to fund rewarding failures.

            Tax cuts work because they free up money for capital investments. They attract and encourage businesses. That is why NY State is creating tax-free zones for businesses . They have seen the errors or of their ways, That is why Texas has astronomical economic business growth, because they are tax friendly.Tax cuts must be done slowly and in conjunction with spending cuts.

            I worked in government for thirty 30-years and can attest to the culture of waste, fraud, abuse, corruption and incompetence that government workers have when they are spending other peoples money and have easy access to an endless stream of revenue. They never have to turn a profit or answer for their failures and mistakes.

            High taxes ruin businesses and markets while low taxes encourage them.

            Citizens and businesses have a silent partner (the government) who dictates what percentage of the profits they will take from wages and profits. I believe that is known as tyranny.

          • JohnEngelman

            During the twentieth century there were nearly always more jobs created per year under Democratic presidents. There was nearly always more growth in the per capita gross domestic product. The stock market grew twice as much.

          • Luca

            Correlation does not always equal causation. Democratic Presidents may have inherited good economies from Republican predecessors. They may have been in office during a Republican majority House and Senate. Bill Clinton was in the right place at the right time during a technology revolution and the fall of the Soviet Union.

            There is more to a country’s economic profile than GDP and jobs. There is inflation, money supply, deficits, interest rates, cost of living, tax rates, etc.

            Your simplistic statements are shallow and one dimensional and yet you pass them off as evidence of something that fits your agenda.

            The last Democratic president who seemed to have a grasp of economics knowledge was JFK. While attending Harvard, he studied four courses in economics and graduated ‘cum laude’.

          • LHathaway

            President Carter used that very line in the presidential debate in 1979, “We’ve created 2.5 million jobs during my administration”. Reagan said something like, “Yes, and a greater number disappeared”.

          • JohnEngelman

            Reagan was wrong. The Wall Street Journal numbers I quote represent net increases.

          • LHathaway

            You’re allowed to prove me wrong once in a blue moon. I hope not every day.

          • WR_the_realist

            Nearly all new jobs created under the last Republican president and under the current Democratic president have gone to immigrants, not native born Americans. The stock market boomed, crashed, boomed, crashed, and boomed, for reasons having nothing to do with who was president.

          • LHathaway

            I’ve heard it said in the USA that 50% of all GDP goes to the government, taxes. Employers, companies, are taxed, by the city, state and nation, Individuals who work for them are taxed, purchases are taxed, property is taxed, imports and exports are taxed, utility bills are taxed, inheritance is taxed. What did I miss? A lot, I’m sure. I read the 50% rate years ago, actually.

            I don’t have the proof of this, but I believed it when I read it. Don’t believe the ‘20% tax rate in the USA’, ‘50% tax rate in Sweden’, BS

          • Luca

            The tax on gasoline is a windfall for the state and federal government. When I drive from California over the borer to Arizona, the price of gas drops 40 cents a gallon most of the time.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Scandinavian Social Democracies have less debt as a percentage of gross domestic product than the United States. Unlike the United States they retain AAA ratings from Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s.

          • Luca

            They spend next to nothing on their military, they do not protect the free world and they use very little of the their money on foreign aid.

            Norway and Denmark enjoy a windfall of oil revenues and up until recently did not have to deal with the expensive curse of diversity. If they don’t stop taking in Muslims and Africans all that will change and they will find that their liberal welfare system is not limitless.

          • DaveMed

            Exactly.

            The success of the Scandinavian countries is probably the most dangerous phenomenon to occur in the Western world. People draw all the wrong conclusions, and assume that it is their sociopolitical systems that are responsible for their success.

            In actuality, it is the people who are the engine behind their wealth and (hitherto) successful societies.

            Such a tragic misdirection.

          • JohnEngelman

            The United States spends nearly as much on the military as the rest of the world combined. This tempts American presidents to start needless wars in places like Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

          • Luca

            I agree regarding Viet Nam and Iraq.

            Here’s where I disagree:

            1. Afghanistan was a hotbed of Al Qaeda training camps.

            2. Having the strongest military in the world is not a bad thing.

            3. American Presidents are not tempted to start wars because they have a strong military, no more than I am tempted to commit random murders because I have expensive firearms in my home.

          • JohnEngelman

            If there was a need to raise defense spending in the 1980’s, there was a need to raise taxes to pay for it.

          • Luca

            No one mentioned the 1980’s. We had a few military actions but no wars in the 1980’s. And we were not talking about taxes. No response to points 1, 2 or 3 above.

            When a Liberal is losing an argument he will change the subject, answer a question that has not been asked, chant slogans or name call.

            So I guess you decided to change the subject.

          • JohnEngelman

            My response was to this assertion, “Having the strongest military in the world is not a bad thing.”

            Also I do think President George W. Bush invaded Iraq because he thought it would be easy. When he made his silly “Mission Accomplished” stunt on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, he thought the War in Iraq had been won.

          • Luca

            I already agreed that Iraq was a mistake.

            You answered a question that was not asked.

          • JohnEngelman

            Here is a question for you. Do you think it was a good idea to cut taxes during the Reagan administration while raising military spending? That is a yes or no question.

          • Luca

            Yes, if you eventually cut other expenditures to make up for the deficit. Defense is too important, it is an acceptable sacred cow within reason. Read the preamble to the Constitution, the government is designed to provide for the common defense.

          • JohnEngelman

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            ———-

            Notice what the Preamble of the United States Constitution says about “the general Welfare.” That clearly sounds like a authorization of domestic spending.

            In his book “The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed,” David Stockman, who was Reagan’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget from 1981 to 1986 said that it was never possible to cut taxes, raise defense spending, and balance the budget, like Reagan said it was, without making cuts in domestic spending the vast majority of the voters would have opposed.

            Because the Soviet Union was collapsing the defense buildup was unnecessary.

          • ricpic

            Reagan’s tax cuts nearly doubled the tax revenues collected by the federal government. You’re an economic ignoramus, Engelman. Say Economic Ignoramus Engelman five times fast. I dareya. I doubledareya,

          • JohnEngelman

            Tax revenue rose more under Jimmy Carter. Tax revenue usually rises from one year to the next because of economic growth. It nearly always rises more when taxes are not cut, and still more when taxes are raised.

            higher taxes = more tax revenue

            Anyone ought to be able to understand that.

          • M&S

            Something had to be done about Bin Laden sir. That could not be allowed to stand.

            We were in Saudi because exiling Iraq from the OPEC export group resulted in over production as huge profits by the other member states which bought us a nice little kick back. Fuel in the 1990s as Clinton urgently sold off all our businesses to overseas interests was at a record low of something like $1.35 a gallon with many states dipping to $1.10-$1.17 (this, at a time when Europe had been at 7 dollars a liter for /decades/).

            We went /back/ to Iraq because we sincerely believed, after the botched CIA revolution in place in 2003-04, that we would be received with ‘open arms’ (small arms maybe…). Beyond which, here was a state whose production infrastructure was in disastrous shape and yet whose -reserves- were ten years behind in utilization and had some massive unexplored (Majnoon complex) fields in waiting, promising to double Iraq’s reserves. At a time when OPEC pricing was increasingly hostile to the USD, this was a control rod in case people started trying to break the Dollar monopoly on the petrotrade.

            AfG is a hole but sits on the opposite side of Iran, very close to some of her most sensitive nuclear facilities at Natanz and Isfahan.

            ‘Behave or wish you had.’ Particularly with regards to nukes as a pretense to maintain control over the South Pars LNG producers which will go through the ‘Peace Pipeline’ to connect up with China’s Silk Road II rail distribution network where it will render China’s P3 problem a thing of the past and let her finally break the chains of currency linkup with the USD which is crippling her own growth rates.

            Vietnam is valet control over the South China Sea maritime traffic without a carrier group being required (and always imperiled). The EP-3E incident would have NEVER have happened did we have Cam Rahn Bay still.

            As I said, if Petroleum products start to flow 1,000nm+ inland, the Navy is out of the sink-their-tankers game and China can do what they will.

            Never ask a Dragon to cook your dinner unless you are REALLY sure about the thickness of the chain.

            Back when being winners was not a shameful /task/ as much as achievement; whites ruled the world of geo-real politick because we didn’t always assume that Foreign Adventure meant utterly needless Crusader idealism.

            Schools don’t teach children to look at maps and see distances, dominant terrain features (as chokepoints) and competing cultures. They teach the false promise that all are equal so long as there is enough for everyone. Which is not true and never has been.

          • JohnEngelman

            After 9/11 Americans were in a fighting mood. Nevertheless, when Barack Obama was elected in 2008 thousands of Americans had been killed, hundreds of thousands of Afghans and Iraqis had been killed. Billions of dollars had been spent. Osama bin Laden was still alive.

            Moreover, he was alive in Pakistan, with the apparent knowledge and approval of the Pakistani government. Everyone involved with 9/11 was a Saudi citizen. Nevertheless, we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Go figure.

            The Geneva Agreement of 1954 ended the colonial war between France and the Viet Minh. It forbade the entry of foreign troops into Vietnam. It clearly specified that the division of the country into North Vietnam and South Vietnam was temporary. It scheduled an election to be held in July 1956 to unify the country. This election was to be held under international supervision.

            President Eisenhower refused to sign and honor that agreement. In his Memoirs he said that as many as 80 percent of the Vietnamese would have voted for Ho Chi Minh. Vietnam was unimportant to our security and economy.

            The way to avoid that war was to sign and honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954.

          • M&S

            Mr. Engelman,

            The way to win the Vietnam war was to make it clear that if the North did not mind their own business, we would end their civilization.

            That would have been simple, even in 1965, with just the a few B-52 bomber raids ‘along the axis of the bridge’ (into China, where the VPAF MiGs were based) and by mining the harbor of Haiphong (of Vietnams 114 small harbors, only three have DWT/TEU limits of 50,000 tons+. Saigon and Da Nang were in the South. Laem Chabong in Thailand is 1.2 mllion DWT).

            This is important because, when a man like Curtis E. Lemay says: “Or we’ll bomb them back into the stone age!” he is failing to acknowledge that they are, essentially, _already there_.

            We could have further truly crippled North Vietnam by bombing the coffer damns which held back the flood waters by which her rice crops were protected. These were all collectivized under the Communist rule (which allowed more young men and women to head south to the great ‘Land of Dying’ that was South Vietnam) and their destruction would have ended the war in weeks.

            Something we knew at the time.

            I would hesitate to state that the majority of South Vietnamese wanted to live like their poor northern cousins. Certainly perhaps during Eisenhower’s regime when the first ‘advisors’ went in and corruption of the minor food aid programs (hearts and rice bowls) began. Later on, when they got a taste for things like hamburger at .25 a pound and a six pack of Coca Cola they began to change their mind as the sheer /flood/ of American logistics quickly won over the majority of the Vietnamese to our system as benefits, they just didn’t care to do any fighting at all.

            This changed, with training, and while ARVN was never entirely reliable, their special forces and marines became quite competent.

            Past which, you need to look at the big picture. It is likely that Nixon’s visit to China had been planned for a long time. Because this planet has been in the grip of an Illuminati (or whatever you care to call it) conspiracy to ‘develop the global civilization’ to Type-1 standards for centuries.

            However; what began in all ignorance of the sociological factors of R vs. K selection and the great genetic disparities between world populations, was, again, by the mid-1960s, starting to be fully revealed by early IQ studies which showed the exact opposite of the egalitarian view of IQ as a universal gift.

            With that in mind, those who have nothing BUT population, when given a plowshare of economic development, will beat it into a sword and use that sword to cut your head off.

            Which is exactly what the patient Chinese are long-term doing.

            That is now an inevitability as the rise of the Dragon is again ensured by continental Asian oil and gas beyond the reach of Naval airpower and at extreme risk for strategic bombers to attempt to cut.

            But this wasn’t known in the 1960s as the TAPS (Trans Alaska Pipeline System) which is dwarfed by the Peace Pipeline, only began construction in 1974 after the embargo in the wake of the Yom Kippur war.

            So at that time, the desire for a ‘reverse California’ as Vietnamese control over the South China Sea was a very valid strategic doctrine BEFORE committing to hauling China out of her 19th century ‘last Emperor’ level of dogmatic Communism.

            Basically, in the 1960s you had a traditionalist white conservative economic movement pushing for U.S. Imperial Rule of the planet being hard checked by a bunch of Jewish instructed fanatic moron children who thought that the lifestyle they lived was summoned from the air rather than real, materially resourced, control over macro-economics.

            They were wrong and in their innocent desire to prove themselves morally superior to their parental generation rather working hard to follow the pragmatic path which made that generation _great_ (in 1950, half a decade after we had lost 100 million to a vicious war, we were 27% of the global population **and rising**) they wrecked this nation as the ‘Cultural Revolution’ in China was never allowed to do.

            As a result of refusing to obey Darwinian instinct to dominate or at least to shut up and let the adults do the thinking until they wisened up to the realities of this earth, Liberal flower children have poisoned the minds of their children’s children to the point where, today, it’s obvious that whites are on the fast road to extinction.

            Call me unimpressed with whose who insist that Vietnam didn’t need to be fought.

            LBJ was a mad fool, with many of the same leadership interference tendencies in military affairs for which he was not qualified to judge as Hitler evinced in WWII.

            Had LBJ -also- sat still, shut up, and let victory be achieved by the professionals, Vietnam would have been the first in many American highpoints of hauling the barbarian rabble out of their own tribal primitivist funk.

            And with that impetus of necessity as the perception of U.S. asserted Imperial Power, asserted confidently, it is unlikely that China would have cooperated quite so readily with our boot so firmly planted on her maritime resource neck with places like South America and Australia, among others.

            Which means that U.S. industry would have stayed where it was and America would remain strong and WHITE for or our own sake.

            As I said in my other post: Beware the thickness of the links when you chain a Dragon to cook your dinner.

            Since Iraq and Iran and AfG are merely extensions of the same power politic scenario of control over key resources and since Saudi holds both the home of Islam and a substantial (2%?) amount of U.S. debt, the way to behead Islam is not by bombing Riyadh flat but by peripheralism as the ownership of all the oil -around- Saudi, by which OPEC has real power.

            Iraq was set up for this very reason, knowing that we were approaching an era where Post Peak conditions and increasing non-U.S. oil needs were going to drive us to dominate several sources of oil purchase and Iraq was as good as any to start with.

            The problem is that nobody would say the simple words: “Yeah, so what?” as a function of defying moral outrage to our occupation of a ‘non WMD state’. When, in fact that was never the point.

            Knock over Iraq, lever her out of the 7th century and suddenly Islam has to explain to it’s people why they don’t live at the level of an Alaskan oil-inheritance. And then you do the same to Iran. As the real sponsor of global terrorism (they hold an annual conference of all the top groups). And so on.

            Until it becomes clear that the cost for 9/11 is the end of Islam as a state religion and a primitivist means of social dominance by the savage with the savages approval.

            Including, at the last, Saudi Arabia.

            It would take a century. But it would have been a fight that we won. Because controlling Iraq isn’t about tanks and troops so much as the distribution of food and the adoption of a biometric RFID system which controls purchase access to same, supported by a network of cameras.

            Under military governance, you can shoot anyone who is a threat to law and order while the cost of a telephone pole with an armored lower half and a surround of barbed wire and cement on which to mount the required cameras would be that of a few thousand dollars, in bulk. There could be hundreds, all cued by gunfire detection systems, all over Iraq. Which would have ended the insurgency with high definition video captures of faces and silhouettes associated with specific people, wherever they lived.

            Let me add that, in closing, that you seem to believe that intelligence will rule the world when the pesky vision of conservative Imperialism as ‘unnecessary war’ is out of the way and savages are tamed by luxury.
            This despite the fact that the vast majority of the planetary population growth as increasing resource demand comes from 80 IQ groups north of the equator and 70 IQ groups south of it.

            You have, in your pacifist ardor, no ability to see that intelligence is secured -through- strength and that said strength is an artifact of both economic and military hard power as the ability to dictate how resources are used and who gets the greatest allocation of their manufactured goods output.
            All of which Whites used to control.

            As we now see in our own land, where whites stand aghast at the primitive behaviors of low IQ, low impulse control R-Breeding immigrants, there are not any races which are really compatible with our lifestyle but us. Or they wouldn’t need to come here to have the dream that is a lifestyle without substance in a Service Economy that cannot sustain itself, let alone military dominance of the world’s savages.

            ‘One would think’ that this observation would have dawned on the smart leftists before they made a trainwreck of our society as race’s respect level, both globally and at home.

            If they don’t have the data and won’t take historical generalities as ‘none like us’ proof, then maybe liberals should have left well enough alone and let the hawkish conservatives exercise the Imperialization modal which has served even microstates like Britain, Spain and Rome so well in the past.
            Now we are doomed to annihilative blend out if not genocidal murder. And we can only look at the ‘smart ones’ who now control the society they have ‘always wanted’ and wonder how we could be so stupid as to trust such ignorant fools.

          • JohnEngelman

            The way to win the Vietnam war was to make it clear that if the North did not mind their own business, we would end their civilization.

            – M&S

            I have a better idea. We should have minded our own business. The same kind of right wing ideologues who do not want the U.S. government to tell them what to do think that the U.S. government should tell people in other countries what to do, and that it should kill them if they refuse.

          • M&S

            Do not pretend to be an innocent with me Mr. Engelman. I will not believe it.
            Back in the early 60s, before the great sellout of our future, a two way path forked ahead of our destiny. To the right was Empire and the eventual overrun of planet earth by whites, for our own benefit. To the left stood a fork which lead to todays near certainty of white extinction as /other/ races crowd forward to do what we would not and we are driven further and further from our own homelands.
            This is not good or evil, this is live or die as Darwinian selection. That others tread upon the same path, to the same choice which we abandoned is the proof of this.
            Now. With the decks cleared of the Cultural Marxist BS, the reality of The Great Game which is statecraft is that it is better to defeat your enemy by taking away his friends because that way, everything you do forces him to deal with you and his troublesome allies at the same time and if it gets rough, it gets rough in his court with his buddies and so he loses strength, regardless.
            I told you that the setup for China’s becoming The New Germany (slave industrial manufacturing source) occurred long before Nixon went. And with that in mind, control over Vietnam as the South China Sea was _necessary_, not just to inhibit the expansion of Communism but to turn it inwards upon itself.
            So that we might offer a better deal.
            Cutting off China’s southern coast, as Japan and Korea cut off Shanghai was the precursor to this, even when Guangzhou (Hong Kong) was still British.
            Stop thinking like a modern man whose people have already lost their best chance for survival and success and start acknowledging the geostrategic conditions of the Cold War and ONLY THEN will you be in a position to bring the two positions together as what could have been. And what now is.
            It is the craven inability of leftists to see what they have ruined in their quest for ‘strange tongues and exotic foods’ that I despise the most. The social body which doesn’t press outwards and provide place as opportunity for it’s youth to become powerful in their own right inevitably begins to suffer the pressure of those populations which do.
            And the radical left who are really just moronic empaths without the ability to critically analyze /why/ something which is cruel might have to be, have cost their race, our nation and their children’s future _everything_ that might once have been a great deal more lasting and genteel for our people.

          • JohnEngelman

            The War in Vietnam was an expensive, losing war fought with a tough resourceful enemy, in which the rewards of victory and the penalties of defeat were imperceptible. Vietnam was unimportant to our economy or security. The overwhelming majority of the Vietnamese supported the Communists. We devastated that country in order to prevent a fair election from being held.

            The United States could not have won that war without risking a much larger war with the Soviet Union, Communist China, or both. And for what?

            The 1960’s was an iconic decade. William Wordsworth could have been writing about it when he wrote, “Bliss was it on that dawn to be alive/But to be young was very heaven”.

            Those years would have been so much sweeter without that stupid, brutal war. Nothing good came from that war. When young people rejected the War in Vietnam, they often rejected much else that deserved to be respected.

            In his “On the Revolution in France” Edmund Burke wrote, “an absurd theory on one side of a question forms no justification for alleging a false fact, or promulgating mischievous maxims, on the other.”

            The justification for the War in Vietnam was an absurd theory that seemed to justify the rejection of everything in traditional morality. What people of your persuasion call “Cultural Marxism” would not have received its momentum without the reaction against the War in Vietnam.

          • M&S

            Mr. Engelman,

             

            >>

            The War in Vietnam was an expensive, losing war fought with a tough resourceful enemy, in which the rewards of victory and the penalties of defeat were imperceptible.

            >>

             

            Not because you say so. The Jungle killed more Vietnamese than we did and it did so because they could not keep themselves supplied with the most basic of medicine, food and water rations as we bombed anything which moved along the HCMT.

             

            Choosing to bomb the wide part of the funnel rather than the narrow is a function of stupid tactics. A fact proven at the end of the campaign when Nixon said “Win. That’s all I care about.” and six weeks later, we did. By cutting the Paul Dhomer and Dragons Jaw bridges and mining Haiphong Harbor, we put North Vietnam out of the Warfighting business.

             

            That could have been done in 1965 but for the screw-loose romanticism of morons like LBJ with his control fetishes and desire to prove to the world who owned the military.

             

            >>

            Vietnam was unimportant to our economy or security.

            >>

             

            We’ll see. Setting up China as a competitive economy without a stranglehold control over her resource delivery was stupid.

             

            >>

            The overwhelming majority of the Vietnamese supported the Communists. We devastated that country in order to prevent a fair election from being held.

            >>

             

            Some 800 Budhists monks torched themselves in protest of the U.S. presence, during the war. When the Communists, whom the monks had actively abetting by using their monasteries as a ratline, invaded, they took away those monasteries and some 10,000 monks immolated themselves. Nobody cared about that because the Jewish MSM only wanted to make us look bad. They didn’t give a flip about the Vietnamese.

             

            Or how about Hue, eh? I’m sure those 4,062 civilians were jsut /asking/ to be clubbed to death by NVA and VC who were too cheap to use a bullet. I mean after all, teachers, administrators, educated city folk, can’t have them messing up the Cultural Revolution, now can we?

             

            Nor did the media accurately report what they saw of the VC ‘recruitment tactics’ of butchering half the village and threatening the other half if the elders didn’t sign on to the five year plan. Sounds like the Viet on the street was really gunho about being a Communist, don’t it?

             

            >>

            The United States could not have won that war without risking a much larger war with the Soviet Union, Communist China, or both. And for what?

            >>

             

            Rubbish. Read _Fifteen Minutes_ by D.L. Keeney. If the U.S. had wanted Russia and China both dead, we had the means to make it a surprise attack with enough warheads to end them. We were the ones who were chumps for letting these fine folk base MiGs out of their territory and ship war materiel to a country attacking an ally of ours and we did nothing about it.

             

            Had we flown over the big bridges into China, there would have been nothign they could do to stop us and that would have spelt the end of the Vietnamese ability to export their little vicious hate parade.

             

            >>

            The 1960’s was an iconic decade. William Wordsworth could have been writing about it when he wrote, “Bliss was it on that dawn to be alive/But to be young was very heaven”.

            >>

             

            It was the decade that a bunch of spoiled, supercilious, moron teenagers, living in the shadow of their parents actual greatness decided to get some easy social credit of their own, typically by rebelling the opposite way.

             

            That broken faith with their parent’s and their nation has effectivel destroyed our people. You would NEVER see this with the Chinese, the Russians or the Jews. Because they know that, whatever the problem is, you present a united front to the world.

             

            Your poet chap sounds like a man looking back on a time of innocence as if that is not the most destructive period in a person’s or a group’s life.

             

            >>

            Those years would have been so much sweeter without that stupid, brutal war. Nothing good came from that war. When young people rejected the War in Vietnam, they often rejected much else that deserved to be respected.

            >>

             

            Nothing good came from the arrogant, hypermoralist, response to that war by this nations’ spoiled youth as Rebels Without Cause, they had no business in it and no real reason to fear it but simply took it as a moment of weakness in which to push their own foul agendas and enjoy the excitement of being in rebellion against something that had protected them and nurtured them throughout the fifties as they soaked up the tales of their parent’s generation and were filled with envy as the respect they had.

             

            ‘White Privilege’ can be most accurately applied _here_. James Dean you were not, but just as pointless and immature were your actions in defining the stupidity of a generation.

             

            >>

            In his “On the Revolu tion in France” Edmund Burke wrote, “an absurd theory on one side of a question forms no justification for alleging a false fact, or promulgating mischievous maxims, on the other.”

            >>

             

            Once upon a time, our youth learned from history and when they didn’t, they at least knew better than to interfere in matters beyond their ken. The entire planet is STILL caught up in The Great Game it’s just that whites have gone from the front of the pack to the back of the bus and it all began with a bunch of grimey drug and sex obsessed twits who thought ‘free love’ was the world’s answer to their prayers not to have to do anything.

             

            >>

            The justification for the War in Vietnam was an absurd theory that seemed to justify the rejection of everything in traditional morality. What people of your persuasion call “Cultural Marxism” would not have received its momentum without the reaction against the War in Vietnam.

            >>

            When you gaze out from your ivory tower upon the vista of blight and devastation that your kind has placed before our people, remember that the door was opened to Cultural Marxism when the schiltron of white will was abandoned by a bunch of weak minded buffoons who thought they knew it all and decided to arbitrarily ruin all their children’s futures.

            Your canned dogma smacks of propaganda and reminds me of Jack McCoy ‘playing the part’ of someone who was there. Your caricature of the 60s as something special is our pain, knowing that what made it so was the betrayal that lead to our pain.

            Enjoy the ignominy sir. You deserve it.

          • JohnEngelman

            M&S,

            This is the only sentence in your screed that merits a response, “Setting up China as a competitive economy without a stranglehold control over her resource delivery was stupid.”

            What gives the United States the right to achieve stranglehold control over any country’s resource delivery?

            Economic competition is legitimate. Using aggressive war to achieve advantages is not.

            The United States, China, and Vietnam would be better off if the United States had signed and honored the Geneva Agreement of 1954.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Final Declaration of The Geneva Conference:
            On Restoring Peace in Indochina, July 21, 1954

            4. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam prohibiting the introduction into Viet Nam of foreign troops and military personnel as well as of all kinds of arms and munitions…

            5. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam to the effect that no military base at the disposition of a foreign state may be established in the regrouping zones of the two parties…

            the military demarcation line should not in any way be interpreted as constituting a political or territorial boundary…

            In order to insure that sufficient progress in the restoration of peace has been made, and that all the necessary conditions obtain for free expression of the national will, general elections shall be held in July 1956, under the supervision of an international commission composed of representatives of the member states of the International Supervisory Commission.

            ———–

            I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader.

            Source: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mandate for Change, 1953-56 (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Compnay, Inc., 1963), p. 372

          • WR_the_realist

            And who was the only presidential candidate in recent memory who wanted to change that? Ron Paul.

          • ricpic

            Denmark is well on its way to suiciding itself by way of muslim immigration. And as usual it’s the ruling class beautiful types who will not shut the gates. The stupidity of loving “the other” boggles the mind.

          • Ace

            Well said.

          • Norseman

            “Conservatives also believe that less government means more economic growth, despite the fact that during the twentieth century the economy nearly always grew more under Democratic presidents.”

            The benefits of good economic policy does not necessarily accrue during the reign of the politicians that implemented them. Furthermore, it is arguably not the case that some Democratic presidents’ policies have been more statist.than their Republican predecessors and successors.

          • The All Seeing Bry

            More taxes meant less savings, less investments, less spending, less certainty. The Result: Creeping statism and a continual lowering of the standard of living.

          • JohnEngelman

            During the twentieth century the U.S. economy usually performed better under Democratic presidents when taxes were more frequently raised than cut. The per capita gross domestic product grew more. There were more jobs created per year. The stock market grew more.

          • The All Seeing Bry

            “Statistics are not reality; they are only a way to try to interpret reality.”

            The statistics you point towards are an attempt to explain reality. They fail to recognize the timing of economics. Things do not happen over night.

            Businesses create wealth. Government does not. Government is nothing but a parasite upon businesses. The only way government obtains wealth is through stealing from businesses. I think we can agree on if businesses (and people) keep more of their profits they have a better shot of creating more wealth for everyone to benefit upon.

            Statistics should not trump common sense. If they do, the statistics are being misinterpreted.

          • JohnEngelman

            What you call common sense consists of right wing talking points and cliches. During the twentieth century the economy usually performed better when it was closely managed and regulated by the government. Even the stock market grew more.

          • The All Seeing Bry

            Don’t you think you know what to do with your money better than some bureaucrat does John? You’re a smart guy.

          • JohnEngelman

            My statement stands, and can easily be documented. Nevertheless, this discussion is a hijack of this thread, a hijack for which I am largely to blame. Let us continue this discussion when it is more appropriate.

          • Ace

            Tax cuts have nothing to do with conservatism. Kennedy cut taxes you’ll recall and the economy grew. Yay, JFK. Reducing taxes from the ruinous heights generally beloved by leftists is a logical move explained by any economic textbook that discusses the Laffer Curve. You can look it up.

            Until Obama and his revealing comments on the capital gains tax, the idea of fiddling with tax rates was generally to maximize tax revenue. True, progressives have also wanted taxes that were confiscatory and redistributive to carry on their class warfare so beloved of communists. Obama fits right in there. He’s the one who had a communist mentor and who started his political career in the living room of two communist terrorists. But he’s not a real communist. No, no, no.

            Your “nearly always” phrase is accurate. The economy stagnated under the New Deal, and it roared to life after the war when gigantic 90% income tax rates were repealed by Ike. We had stagflation under Carter, and now anemic growth under Obama and 92,000,000 people out of the workforce. Great economy under Reagan and an ok one under Clinton but, as you know, he had his fiscal and spending policies jammed down his throat by Newt and the boys. So, you’re down to growth under JFK and Clinton. Well, Clinton’s policies were really conservative policies forced on him and JFK would be a hardcore conservative these days compared to lunatic leftists who run the Donk Party these days. So, actually, your point is a disproven.

            And, yes, Nixon and Bush ’43 did much damage to the system.

          • JohnEngelman

            The economy stagnated under the New Deal.

            – Ace

            The per capita gross domestic product in 1996 dollars grew nearly as much during Franklin Roosevelt’s first term as during the terms of Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge.

          • JohnEngelman

            We had stagflation under Carter, and now anemic growth under Obama and 92,000,000 people out of the workforce. Great economy under Reagan and an ok one under Clinton.

            – Ace

            When Jimmy Carter was president an average of 2,600,000 jobs were created per year. Under Ronald Reagan that declined to 2,000,000 per year. Under Bill Clinton that grew to 2,900,000 jobs created per year.

          • Reynardine

            Leftists are physiologically different, I believe. They lack a fully developed frontal cortex that allows them to plan correctly or see danger. The math and other language sections of their brains are often untouched, but they lack foresight, essentially.

      • JohnEngelman

        That is not true of all liberals. It is true for many conservatives. Weak minds house strong opinions. Weak minds full of strong opinions can be found on either end of the political spectrum.

        • David Ashton

          “I am guilty, so please hurt me. Deep down I am ashamed of thinking you look like a gorilla, so I deserve to be beaten as if you are one. In fact, we whites are the most evil race on earth, so if you start the extermination by killing me and raping my daughters, you will be making up for slavery, apartheid, Jim Crow and that policeman we heard about the other day.”

          • JohnEngelman

            Huh???

          • David Ashton

            Not everyone reacts as you did. This epitomizes the PC “liberal” response.

          • JohnEngelman

            Because I straddle the divide between left and right I am aware that what conservatives dislike about liberals is often true of conservatives too. On both sides emotion predominates. People are unwilling to consider facts that discredit what they want to believe.

            For example, Luca wrote this: “Liberals have no use for common sense, logic, facts, evidence, statistics or reasonable arguments that do not support their agenda. And most don’t.”

            There are lots of conservatives for whom this is true also. People on both ends of the political spectrum become abusive when favored opinions are challenged.

          • David Ashton

            I would not describe anyone who thinks we are all guilty except the criminals as a conservative.

        • Luca

          Most Liberals can’t figure things out nor learn from failed consequences. They tend to stick to catchy slogans like:”Weak minds house strong opinions”.

          Einstein had strong opinions about the theory of relativity, I guess he had a weak mind. Bill Gates had a strong opinion about personal computers. Edison had a strong opinion about the light bulb. Nikolai Tesla had a strong opinion about alternating current. Galileo had a strong opinion that the earth revolved around the sun.

          How many more examples do you need? Your slogan does not hold water. Sort of like “If the gloves don’t fit, you must acquit.”

          Sounds nice, but is perfectly meaningless and irrelevant.

          • JohnEngelman

            Conservatives have not figured out yet that tax cuts do not balance the budget. One would think that three decades after the failure of supply side economics, AKA “voodoo economics,” they would have learned.

            My maxim, “Weak minds house strong opinions,” was expressed using different words in Alexander Pope’s poem “An Essay on Criticism.”

            A little learning is a dangerous thing.
            drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
            there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
            and drinking largely sobers us again.

            H.L. Mencken complained of “the dull certainties of ignorant men.”

            On the left and the right I have found ignorant ideologues who thought they knew everything worth knowing about politics.

          • TheHBD

            “Conservatives have not figured out yet that tax cuts do not balance the budget.”

            Correct…and Liberals have not figured out that endless spending and expansion of government programs does not balance the budget. What you said is essentially meaningless. I think the Conservative viewpoint is that people would (and should) be able to keep more of what they earned if it wasn’t squandered needlessly by social program spending which has no effect other than to exacerbate the problem. Of course a decline in revenue does not ‘balance the budget’, but when that budget is a horrific instrument of plunder for special interests (most of them Liberal in nature) should we blame the people paying for it and who are objecting, or those who are spending and telling us that we are still not paying enough in taxes?

          • JohnEngelman

            From the presidencies of Harry Truman to that of Jimmy Carter the national debt was paid down as a percentage of gross domestic product. During Bill Clinton’s second term the national debt was paid down absolutely.

            The national debt only became a problem when Ronald Reagan cut taxes while increasing military spending.

          • Luca

            There you go with cherry-picked statistics that do not relate the whole picture. Do you really think the fall of the Soviet Union has no worth? Reagan inherited a horrible economy from Jimmy Carter and don’t show me a graph or quote a statistic that indicates that under Jimmy Carter potato farmers in Idaho had their best year ever.

            Cutting taxes and diverting money to promote a strong military is sound for long range planning. It was not an over-night cure.

            Liberals tend to not see long range outcomes nor the consequences of their short-sighted well labeled plans and programs. You know, like the War on Poverty, or Affirmative Action, or Equal Rights, or Fair Housing etc., ad infinitum.

          • JohnEngelman

            Under President Carter there was less unemployment than under Ronald Reagan, more jobs created per year, and certainly less deficit spending. It if was necessary to spend more money on the military, it was necessary to raise taxes to pay for it. Because the Soviet Union was collapsing, we know that it was not necessary.

            The War on Poverty, Affirmative Action, and probably the civil rights legislation were unfortunate. Social Security and Medicare are so popular Republican politicians do not dare criticize them publically.

          • LHathaway

            This is total spin. Yes, the (horrible) recession worsened into the first year of Reagan’s term. It did so until Reagan’s magical charm and simple presence turned things around. That seemingly was the whole point of the recession, and the turn around. To then spin that in the opposite direction is dishonesty or delusion, or both. There are probably folks under 55 or so who might believe you, or really weren’t paying much attention while these events happened. .

          • JohnEngelman

            During the Carter administration there was a mild, six month recession that ended July 1980. During the Reagan administration there was a deep, 16 month recession that did not begin until July 1981.

            During the Carter administration an average of 2,600,000 jobs were created every year. During the Reagan administration that declined to an average of 2,000,000 jobs created every year. .

          • LHathaway

            I was expecting you to change the subject, explaining his election and re-election another way. During Carter’s presidency, unemployment was way up. If Carter ‘created jobs’ he certainly destroyed a greater number! There’s something missing in your ‘jobs created’ stat. That is if we can believe your statistics serve a purpose other than reversing reality. You’re being very selective with your facts, if they are not faulty outright. Inflation reached double digits on a yearly basis during Carter’s presidency. Interest rates were approaching 20% (as was unemployment high)! I don’t think most young people would even believe we had 20% interest rates (what did it peak at, 16%, or higher? During the Carter administration, even the media pulled out something they called, ‘the misery index’. ‘the recession ended in July 1980 and began again in July 1981? True, the recession did continue on into Reagan’s term. Again, How did Reagan win the presidency. Cater wasn’t allowed enough time to let his policies become effective, was that it?
            I’m just going from memory. I don’t have a Conservative advocacy group providing my stats. Maybe my memory is faulty. Maybe reality is being twisted 180% from the apparent truth.

          • Luca

            You forgot to mention the massive, double-digit inflation under Carter and the astronomical interest rates.

            He also proved to be so weak on foreign policy he provoked and emboldened the religious fanatics in Iran who in turn instigated a massive spike in oil prices by cutting production. While people had jobs, their money bought far less than it should have.

          • Gina Tingles

            The recession was deep during the beginning of the Reagan administration because the Fed Chairman Paul Volker drastically tightened the money supply to kill rampant double-digit inflation.

            Inflation was terrible during the Carter Administration, as it was in the Ford administration, and by 1980 Americans had had enough.

            I don’t blame Carter for it, the seeds were sown in the Johnson administration, which spent like crazy to win un-winnable wars on poverty and in Vietnam, and put men on the moon, all at the same time.

          • JohnEngelman

            President Johnson tried to do all of that while reducing the top tax rate from 91 percent to 70 percent.

            Then the OPEC Oil Embargo of 1973 and the Iranian Revolution of 1979 caused the price of petroleum to increase.

            What Paul Volker did reduced inflation by reducing the ability of employees to respond to it by demanding higher salaries.

            A reasonably high degree of unemployment benefits employers. It means they do not have to compete for employees. They can fire one tenth of the work force, and give the survivors ten percent more work to do without any more pay.

          • Gina Tingles

            Yes, inflation was affected by the price of oil too. Likewise, the low price of oil during the Clinton Administration helped keep inflation down in the 90s.

            Also, would you agree that a 91% marginal tax rate is a wee bit excessive?

          • JohnEngelman

            I will never be in the group that would have paid it. I doubt you will be either. When it was that high most Americans got pay raises every year that beat inflation. The national debt as a percentage of gross domestic product declined.

          • Luca

            “During the Reagan administration that declined to an average of 2,000,000 jobs created every year.” – JE

            Watch closely John, this is a lesson in common sense and exposes your short-sighted, and/or deceptive practice of cherry-picking a statistic to support a false argument:

            You cannot add 2.6 million jobs every year John. Eventually you run out of working people. The fact that Reagan created less jobs is directly attributed to his declining unemployment figures. Carter had more unemployed people to put to work. Reagan put them to work so the pool of unemployed shrunk. The fact that Reagan was running out of unemployed people is a good thing yet you presented it like it was a bad thing by latching onto one statistic that cannot be viewed alone.

          • JohnEngelman

            Don’t argue with me about those figures. Argue with The Wall Street Journal.

            And talk about twisted reasoning! The reason Reagan had fewer people to put to work was because more of them got jobs when Jimmy Carter was president.

            The reason Carter had more people to put to work was because fewer people got jobs when Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford were president.

          • Gina Tingles

            Social Security and Medicare are probably popular because the beneficiary must work and pay into the system prior to receiving benefits. They are seen more as an pension / insurance plan than welfare.

          • JohnEngelman

            In his book “The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed,” David Stockman, who was Reagan’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget from 1981 to 1986, made it clear that it was never possible to cut taxes, raise defense spending, and balance the budget – as Reagan said it was – without making deep cuts in Social Security and Medicare. He also made it clear that the vast majority of the voters, including most Republicans, would have opposed those cuts.

            In other words, Reagan’s economic program was fraudulent.

          • Mergatroyd

            And American Renaissance wonders why we object to Engelman’s presence on a supposedly pro-White forum.

          • TheHBD

            Right…my point exactly. I will correct my earlier statement about social spending to include ALL government spending. Any budget has inputs and outputs…manage the outputs better and then revenue requirements will not be as high. Liberals absolutely do not see this basic point. For them outputs don’t matter…they are only focused on revenue, so anything that compromises that is out of the question. To go on about how tax cuts are ‘wrong’ only feeds the problem.

          • Mergatroyd

            Oh, Liberals do see these basic points. They know exactly what they are doing: Destroying White America.

            And Engelman is aiding and abetting that process, as is American Renaissance by allowing him to have a forum here for his anti-White, pro-Aisan, socialist views.

          • Luca

            He should be allowed to speak but he needs to be called out on his liberal propaganda tactics. He loves cherry-picked statistics as long as they are crafted around his agenda. Had he not had race realism beaten into him he would be a full-blown liberal quoting statistics on how brilliant blacks are and listing all their contributions to mankind.

          • Mergatroyd

            Someone who is impervious to facts and data and thinks Whites should be race-replaced by “superior” Asians?

            He’s been known to go back and change his comment when faced with facts he doesn’t like.

            What are we to gain by this?

            There is a good reason SF, Daily Stormer and Alternative Right banned him, to the relief of regular posters there.

          • Gina Tingles

            Ronald Reagan did not cut taxes. Ronald Reagan signed a bill duly passed by Congress that cut taxes. I believe the Congress at the time consisted of a Democratic House and a Republican Senate. The tax cuts were bi-partisan. The same applies to the bills signed by Bill Clinton.

          • JohnEngelman

            The president of the United States proposes economic policy. The presidential administration composes a budget which is sent to Congress, which adds and subtracts. Then it sends it back to the president who can sign or veto it.

            Cutting taxes while raising defense spending was Reagan’s idea. In one of his columns George Will admitted that if every one of Reagan’s budgets had been approved of in its entirety, the increase in the national debt under Reagan would have only been ten percent less than it was.

          • Mergatroyd

            What happens when the takers outnumber the producers?

            The US is fast on that track, the Cloward-Piven track, which is to destroy the economy in order to implement an authoritarian regime and police state and enslave the population a la the Soviet Union.

            Those who disagreed were dispatched with a bullet in the back of the head.

    • Michael Mason

      To them, scientific fact is a tool of the white male patriarchy. They are convinced that blacks can put a satellite into orbit and women can be in the special forces, only because an alternate reality would be “unfair.” Their childish immaturity would be something to laugh at in a world where they didn’t have any power. However, what they and their pets are doing to our society right now isn’t funny. These people are so deluded and introverted that they would rather see innocent white people get raped and murdered than live in a world were we keep ourselves separate from the savage world.

      • Mergatroyd

        No, they are not convinced of that at all. Notice where these lefties like Michael Moore and Tim Wise live: In All White Neighborhoods.

        If they really believed that we are all equal in all ways as they keep telling us why do they live ONLY around Whites and send their own children to all-White or all-Jewish schools?

        Make NO mistake: They know exactly what they are doing as far as their prime directive: Destroy White America, and they are well on their way.

        Do not underestimate these mortal enemies of the White race, they will not stop until the last one of us is eliminated. They are highly intelligent, have vast sums of money (SPLC and ADL for instance) to carry out their diabolical plan and are absolutely ruthless when it comes to destroying our race.

    • Even when you make a cogent, persuasive argument to liberals on that subject, they just attack the validity of the test. Facts mean nothing to ideologues.

      • Mergatroyd

        They and their anti-White genocidal ideals must be smashed to smithereens – which is exactly what they want to do to us.

      • Luca

        When a liberal is losing an argument, they will change the subject, answer a question that has not been asked, chant a slogan or revert to name calling.

    • scottthestrategerist

      I’ve done it with success. You have to change the terms of the debate. I mock conservatives, saying they should move to Somalia since there are no taxes, no business regulations and no gun control. They I point out that a racially homogenous white society would probably resemble the united states of the 1950s, in which poorer whites vote Democrat, thus giving them dominance except when there are especially strong candidates like General Eisenhauer. I tell them that it’s not about politics, but about identity, and that, once identity is solved, we will continue to argue about taxes, social spending, defence and military adventurism, and they may very well win those debates, but if we don’t come together on the identity issue, then none of it will matter because it won’t be us in the first place.

  • Unperson

    I meant to say this in previous discussion of this book, but haven’t yet so I will now. And that is that the cover of the book is lacking information about what exactly is between its covers. For the sum total of text on the front is:

    “Face to Face with Race, Edited and with an Introduction by Jared Taylor”

    When I first saw the ad for this book on AR several months back, my reaction was to wonder what sort of a book it was. It was apparently not BY Jared Taylor. Who then was it by? Was it a collection of essays by various authors, compiled by Taylor? Apparently yes — but who ARE those authors; and what KIND of essays are they?

    Here’s some friendly, constructive criticism for future editions: add a little more information on the front. This will not only help the uninitiated know what to expect from its contents, but will also help make the product look more professional, since no mainstream publishing firm would put out a volume with only the minimal wording currently on this cover. Something like “A collection of personal essays on white-black relations.” Or “Real people writing about race.” Actually, the sub-head of this review by John Engelman would do quite well: “Firsthand accounts give up-close views of racial diversity.” Any of these phrases, or other wordings to the same effect, would benefit the book’s packaging and presentation.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      I find the cover design overall to not be the most appealing.

      • Oil Can Harry

        The dull cover looks like a close-up of Tom Cruise.

        They would’ve been off using the dramatic photo atop the article featuring a faceoff between boxers Carl Froch and Andre Ward.

  • italian guy

    You need courage and a sense of duty to be a good soldier, those are not prominent traits among Africans.
    Anyway about sports, blacks only dominate when they have a clear physical advantage that can’t be outmatched with other traits, example: sprinting.
    They don’t dominate in boxing, where Whites, Mestizos and Asians can overcome the fact that they have longer arms and thicker skulls on average, just think about Pasquaio or the Klitschko brothers recently.
    Look at gold medals in the Olympics, you will never see blacks in swimming, heavy lifting, skating, archery, wrestling, canoeing… or think about rugby etc. etc.

    • lib1

      Agreed. And let’s not forget mixed martial arts. I can’t think of any black “fighter” that dominated much less garnered a fair reputation. Not a one. The same goes for boxing.

      • Anderson Silva is Brazilian, but he looks black to me.

        • B.A_2014

          You forgot John Jones. Both great athletes and MMA greats. Whites and mestizos are clearly the better MMA fighters but let’s call It like it is.

          • Alamo Cannonball

            I agree. Silva and Jones are practically unbeatable, both black, although non-black fighters seem to fare better in MMA than in boxing overall.

            When we get back to boxing, they seem to me to have a clear advantage. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Iron Mike Tyson, anyone?

          • Chip Carver

            I disagree. Jon Jones is sponsored by the UFC! The FIRST TIME he fought a man who had won more than ONE fight in a row was when he squared off against Jon Gustafsson. And almost everyone who watched the fight believed Gustafsson was robbed by the judges, including most of the UFC champs who voiced their opinions on Twitter. And their rematch was scrubbed for all kinds of made up reasons and situations.

            Several years back when the UFC was looking to secure contracts with the TV Networks, network executives told the UFC it needed to be more minority friendly. They didn’t begin to fix fights per se. But by ignoring and not signing top white fighters, they were able to pave the way for a fraud like Jones.

            Silva on the other hand was a great fighter. There were some people who likely could’ve knocked his block off (which eventually happened anyway) but that guy truly was an all-time great.

            The change in boxing has been interesting. The usual suspects tried to cover for their favorite tools, blacks, by saying less blacks were going into the sport, yet this proved not to be the case. There are more fighters, including black fighters, than ever before in the US. But the sport picked up in Europe, with Slavics dominating the heavyweight division, and Europeans from all over nabbing titles in the other weight divisions. Whites now hold 17 of 20 belts from 150 lbs on up. Most notable is that whites have changed their style(s), they no longer try to emulate black fighters, trying to win the speed or hardest head game. You can bet the usual suspects will try and do all they can to “right” this terrible wrong.

          • Alamo Cannonball

            “Jon Jones is sponsored by the UFC!”

            We could say the same for Brock Lesnar at one time, no?

            I don’t know if the story you mention about the TV networks can be verified, but if so, I’d like to see the proof.

            I will go so far as to say I think I have seen at least one UFC fight that was fixed. But that was Jon Jones against another black fighter, Rashad Evans. Look it up. It’s like they’re playing some kind of Patty Cake Fag-Dance the whole time.

          • LACountyRedneck

            I watched the fight twice. Gustafsson outfought Jones.

          • B.A_2014

            Weidman has defeated Silva twice and anyone that watched the Jones/Gustafson fight could only conclude that that Gustafson was the victor. Not to take anything away from Silva and Jones. Both men are warrior’s.

          • IBWHITE

            I believe Blacks dominated boxing in the 80’s and 90’s because there were so few boxing gyms where Whites could train. Most gyms were located in rough inner city Black neighborhoods. Then the Russians came to the US and practically took the sport over. Current Russian champions Kovalev, Triple G and Klitschko have astronomical KO records. I believe Kovalev leads the pack with around a 96% knockout rate. Talent like that hasn’t been seen in boxing since the 1950s.

            Whites excelled in MMA because so many of them were standout wrestlers who easily transitioned into the sport. Just about every high school in the USA has a wrestling program and many Whites having a natural core strength were gifted at the sport. Wrestlers can often dictate where the fight takes place and with some submission training they became the dominant athlete to beat. The MMA stars of today though are very well rounded and few people hang on to a title belt very long.

          • Alamo Cannonball

            I honestly haven’t watched much boxing in the last decade since MMA took off. If you’re telling me Russians are taking over the sport, I shall have to refocus at once.

          • antiquesunlight

            Is Golovkin white? He looks a bit mixed or something. I checked BoxRec and he currently has the highest KO percentage out of those three at 90%. Golovkin is a pretty bad dude.

          • IBWHITE

            I believe Golovkin has some Asiatic mix to him – but he’s certainly not Black. He’s a well spoken, respectful man and I like that in a professional athlete.

          • I’m not sure what the consequence of core muscle variation according to race is on ultimate answer of who has best core strength on average, but the racial differences do exist and core muscle variability is another fact we can point to when trying to convey that racial differences are quite real, biological, and innate.

            Blacks have a larger psoas major than whites do and larger typically means more strength. On the other hand, blacks lack the psoas minor muscle in 91% of cases according to one study, wheras whites lacked a psoas minor in only 13% of the cases in the same study. The role of the psoas minor muscle to my knowledge has not been very well defined, probably because to study it would irrevocably shine a 2 million candlepower spotlight on the reality that race is real. It probably adds some stability but if the psoas major muscle is larger in blacks then I don’t know how to interpret which would have better core strength.
            Pub-Med PMC Search on 1467925. “Anatomical differences in the psoas muscles in young black and white men.”

          • IBWHITE

            I based most of my opinion on personal observation. White’s dominate strong man competitions which involve a lot of core strength. Most of the elite wrestling and submission athletes are also White. Years ago I read where White people tend to have a more robust torso than Blacks which would often translate into added power. I know when I was actively competing in grappling tournaments I often found the very muscular Blacks were generally not as strong as what they appeared to be. So my posting was just an opinion and nothing more.

          • IBWHITE

            Yes, give credit where it’s due. There are very talented people in combat sports of all races. I just prefer that the White ones win.

          • pcmustgo

            I don’t follow sports, but I can’t think of one famous white boxer… it’s all Blacks and afro-latinos these days… Tyson, etc…

        • IBWHITE

          Anderson Silva has been defeated twice, Ko’ed once and severe broken leg second time, now by a White man named, Chris Weidman.

          • He’s got a lot more wins than losses. I saw the broken leg fight, that was nasty!

        • LACountyRedneck

          Brazil is a multicultural sheeithole. Plenty of muts. The U.S. will look like it not long from now.

          • Augustus3709

            I learned during this past World Cup that the south of Brazil has something like 10-12 million German-Brazillions. For comparison, the population of Sweden is less than 10 million.

            My point is there may still be White enclaves which arise and sustain themselves, even within multicultural “nations”. It should be our mission to carve more of these areas out and defend them like our lives depend on it, because they do.

          • pcmustgo

            You guys here about the Red Legs in Barbados? Descended from white slaves, poorer than the Blacks and treated with disdain by all.

      • antiquesunlight

        I’m really not sure how you’re coming to that conclusion, especially with boxing.

        There are a fair number of very good black MMA fighters: Jon Jones (current light heavyweight champion), Anderson Silva (former middleweight champion), Rampage Jackson (former light heavyweight champion), Mighty Mouse Johnson (current flyweight champion), and Daniel Cormier (currently 15-0 at heavyweight and light heavyweight).

        That being said, the list of noteworthy black MMA fighters in the history of the sport wouldn’t be a lot longer than that list of excellent black MMA fighters. Whites (particularly Americans) and Hispanics (particularly Brazilians) do and always have dominated the sport.

        As for boxing, a very substantial percentage of the greatest boxers of all time have been black.

        • lib1

          Brazilians are not Hispanic.

          • Brutus

            That’s debatable. They speak Portuguese, rather than Spanish, but I have tended to think that “Hispanic” refers to speakers of either language. White Brazilians are not Mestizos, by definition. There are some white Brazilians whose ancestry is not Portuguese, too, but who nonetheless speak Portuguese. Who is and is not Hispanic is not always clear-cut.

          • The Dude

            That’s why I always prefer the term “Latino”. It includes every population of that mostly mixed-race bunch south of the border, including the Portuguese-speakers, while exluding the white Europeans whom we usually just call “Latin”.

          • Reynardine

            Hispanic refers to Hispania, the ancient Roman Spain. The similar correct term to refer to the descendants of the Portuguese is “Lusitanian” from Lusitania, Roman Portugal.

      • Garrett Brown

        Jon “bones” Jones is the most dominating fighter in MMA. He is a rare exception though. However, I have to wonder if you’ve watched any bit of MMA in the past, oh I don’t know, ten years to actually make that statement? Many black fighters have dominated, secondly to Whites.and then you have a few Mestizos in third.

        • antiquesunlight

          I’ve watched plenty of it. Which blacks do you refer to? The only other black champions I can even think of in recent times are Rashad Evans and Benson Henderson (who is only half black). Alistair Overeem is pretty good, but he is also only half black and by no means “great.” Going further back, you had guys like Kevin Randleman, Yves Edwards, and Carlos Newton. I’m sure if I really sat down and thought hard about it, I could think of a few other notable black fighters, but there are not really all that many who achieved world-beater status or even perennial contender status. Randleman is the only black man to ever be heavyweight champion in a major promotion, unless my memory is failing me, and Randleman was not a great champion.

          • Garrett Brown

            Ooooohhhh, I don’t know… maybe, Anderson Silva? Rofl. Very selective memories some of you have.

        • IBWHITE

          “Jon “bones” Jones is the most dominating fighter in MMA.”
          I thought GSP had more successful title defenses than Jone’s?
          Jones is very talented but I think Cormier is going to take his belt. And if not I think Gustaffson will in their rematch.

          • Garrett Brown

            “Jon “bones” Jones is the most dominating fighter in MMA.”

            Most dominating in MMA now, not of all time.

          • IBWHITE

            I would have agreed with that statement prior to his fight with Gustaffson, but not now. Aldo, in my opinion, has had much stiffer competition and been more dominant in his title reign than Jones. I also think Weidman may possibly become the next Anderson Silva in that weight class.

          • Garrett Brown

            Until Gustaff beats him he is technically the lost dominating fighter in MMA. Also faced amateurs until Mendes, he is skilled though. I believe Weidman will be dominant as well. I am rooting for Mcgregor the most.

          • IBWHITE

            Oh yes! I think McGregor has a very bright future. He does the trash talk well and is a highly skilled fighter. I generally don’t care for trash talk but I’ll make an exception for McGregor and Chael Sonnen.

          • Garrett Brown

            You can’t deny Mcgregor’s charm. He pulls it off because he isn’t stupid. Ali’s trash talk never made sense nor does Mayweather’s. Mcgregor makes his entertaining and he also gets into the mind of his opponent perfectly.

        • Augustus3709

          Even the blacks are not really black though. They’re that 75/25 percent deal. You’re not going to see tar-black Africans off the boat beating anybody up because they are too frail and lanky.

          • Garrett Brown

            Negroes aren’t really Negroes, you heard it here first folks.

          • pcmustgo

            Actually a lot of real Black Africans are short and shorter and smaller than American Blacks. I’ve also heard Jamaican Blacks are smaller and shorter, more like soccer players.

          • Augustus3709

            Well, there are a variety of negroid races in Africa. Some are shorter, while others are tall and lanky.

            There is a particularly small people called the Pigmies. They are like 4 feet tall. Apparently other Africans treat them like game animals; they hunt them in the jungle and eat them.

            The UN is getting involved and considers it part of an ongoing genocide.

    • Volunteer28

      Blacks will dominate all sports one day. including skiing and rowing, look at the Cuban Olympic Team, Blacks and Mulatoes dominate all sports despite being a minority and being only about 35% of the population.

      • italian guy

        You are out of your mind, but i will repeat what i said above “Whites are around 10% of the world population, yet they win everywhere, imagine if there were more of us”.

        • Volunteer28

          I am glad everybody that there has been a massiv reaction to my outrageous statement:

          I first said those words 20 years ago and believed them. (i.e. In 20 years time all Sport will be dominated by Blacks). Well, it’s been 20 years now and they still don’t dominate sport, but….
          Is it just a matter of time?

          My Theory was: …I believed when it came to Golf, grand prix, gymnastics and other sports
          that the reason black people did not yet dominated was simply down to the racism. Only 50-60 years ago it
          would not have been uncommon for a black person to not be allowed to
          join a Golf club, let alone set foot on a Golf course. The same goes for
          tennis courts and Snooker venues. I believed the only reason black
          people didn’t dominated these other sports was simply because they had
          not been allowed to participate in them years ago when white people were
          in control.

          And money: Blacks dominate the sports that don’t require huge amounts of money to participate in, ie all the running sports, but any sport that requires a lot of money and facilities, sailing, formula 1 racing, etc. even rowing, they didn’t hav a chance.

          I also looked at the case of the Williams Sisters. Two Ghetto girls who their Father forced to play tennis often using rubbish strewn beat-up municiple tennis courts in rough areas. They hav came to dominate womens’ tennis for the last 10 years or more. I don’t like the Williams sisters for the same reasons that everybody else doesn’t, they are so massiv and butch, they are just not attractiv, I prefer the Russian female players in that respect, but seemingly without almost trying, Blacks came to dominate female tennis, what if 1,000’s of Blacks started to play tennis? Would they dominate tennis?

          and Don’t dismiss the Cuban example either: They may not win all those Gold Medals, that’s not the point. It is that the Blacks domination in their Cuban sports teams that matters. Blacks dominate all the Cuban sports teams despite Whites being the majority, twice as many in fact and Blacks the minority. Rowing for example, both the top male and top female rowers in Cuba are both Black, very Black.

          Winter sports: I didn’t see any reason why the Blacks wouldn’t dominated Winter Sports either.

          But it hasn’t Happened.

          In that 20 years also something else has happened that I thought
          I would NEVER see, White men hav come back from the dead and to
          dominate Boxing! The Klitchko Brothers being the most famous example of
          this phenomenon. Almost a totally East European phenomenon, yet still White, why? what are the conditions that hav allowed East europeans to dominate and this new White domination, is it a
          permanent or a temporary?

          Will I still be saying in 20 years time “Oh you know Blacks will dominate all sports in 20 years’ Time?”, or hav we/I missed something really important?

          • LHathaway

            “50-60 years ago it would not have been uncommon for a black person to not be allowed to join a Golf club. . . . . ”

            Put down the coolaid. That goes as well for anyone paying any attention to ‘MMA’. Idiocracy, it turns out, is not a SciFi movie.

          • Volunteer28

            I hav no idea what you are saying, and I don’t know what coolaid is.

          • LHathaway

            ‘coolaid’ a Jim Jones metaphor. Someone who has drunk too deeply from the well spring of the mass media, or been hit one too many times in an ‘MMA’ contest.

          • Yeah, haven’t you noticed that certain people’s supposed inability to get into golf clubs and country clubs 100 years ago is supposed to be the great reason to turn our whole society inside out sociologically speaking today?

            But then there’s the inconvenient truth:

            http://takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_the_golf_nazi_steve_sailer#axzz3L9q9xQgU

      • Yes, because all those blacks on the Cuban skiing and rowing teams win Olympic medals like they’re going out of style.

        • phillyguy

          like my late father used to say, the fastest thing on earth is a Negro running with that cash register on his shoulder.

          • dave

            Don’t forget running from the po-leece

          • Luca

            My father warned me that when in a fight never punch them in the head. Thicker skulls tend to hurt the knuckles.

      • UncleSham

        Blacks will never dominate swimming because their bodies are too dense. It takes them extra effort just to avoid sinking.

      • bilderbuster

        Cubans are great at rowing. How do you think they got to Miami?

        • Unperson

          I was under the impression it was on makeshift rafts made of sugar canes lashed together with palm fronds.
          Or has the media been lying to me again?

      • Luca

        Blacks do well in sports that require more muscle than brains. They have a hard time with rules and discipline.

      • MarcoSolo

        When you subject a people to the winnowing process the American blacks have been subjected to, you cannot but expect the survivors will be exceptionally resilient, exceptionally strong – it’s acute evolution. As my father said when I was bulking up from lifting, “Why bother when you can buy all the muscle you need for minimum wage?” He was only partly right though – we suffer from lack of rigor.

      • Tarczan

        The interesting thing is that these sports that you speak of were all invented by whites. MMA, boxing, football, basketball (I call it negro-jump ball), soccer.
        White creativity is on display even in the.sports the entire world plays.

        • Volunteer28

          I am also well aware of that. Between the British and Americans they must hav invented 90% of the World’s Sports.

          But when you are a kid, who are impressed by? the people invented the sport? or the people who win at it?

          We all loved the Harlem Globe Trotters, but even to this day I couldn’t tell you who invented Basket Ball.

          • But when you are a kid, who are impressed by? the people invented the sport? or the people who win at it?

            Newsflash: (Most) kids grow up and become adults.

          • Volunteer28

            so? We are still humiliated on a regular basis.

          • Yeah, I really feel humiliated that Usain Bolt can outrun me in 100 meters or that LeBron James can beat me one on one in basketball. It makes me so upset that I need to see a therapist and zone out on Zoloft.

          • David Ashton

            What was the truth about Max Schmeling’s back injury after a kidney punch?

          • LACountyRedneck

            An adult chimpanzee is capable of running at top speeds of 40 KPH.

            I feel your pain.

          • Augustus3709

            Humiliated? Speak for yourself.

            Horses can outrun people too. I don’t hate Mr. Ed.

            Human races are biologically different species.

            Different races have different body types which have an edge at different activities. Have you ever watched power-lifting, swimming, or speed skating?

            Are non-Whites “humiliated” at these events?

          • Volunteer28

            Black men win at all the Blue Ribbon glamorous sports. They are out breeding us *with our own women*. Obviously the women like their athletic bodies and white teeth.
            Women don’t go out with Men because they are Good,
            Women go out with Men because they are Good-Looking.

          • Augustus3709

            Define “Blue Ribbon Glamorous Sports”.

            Who just won the World Cup? The biggest sport in the world is soccer, with Germany taking the championship, a team which has ZERO black men among its ranks and 1 mulatto.

            In fact all the African teams were humiliated with sloppy play and lazy defense.

          • Volunteer28

            The ultimate Blue Ribbon Sport are the 100 metres
            and the Heavy weight Boxing Champion.
            All sprint races hav an element of Blue Ribbon though.

            I know we hav the Heavy Weight Champion of the World at the moment, but for how long, and he/they are not very glamorous.
            When are going to see a White Man win the 100m without the use of steroids?
            When I was at Art college I would the 6 best best looking women in our class wer all going out with Black Men, and some of the ugly women wer going out with Black men as well and there wer only about 15-20 women there.
            The Ultimate Blue ribbon Sport is how many women can you pull, and the Blacks are winning at that.

          • Augustus3709

            A typical cliche among low IQ races is to make sexual domination claims.

          • Volunteer28

            I’m White and hav an IQ of 137.
            The Blacks are winning, out breeding us in Africa, out invading us in our own Countries, and out breeding us with our best women.

          • Augustus3709

            Oh, you’re British.

            Well, my experience has been the complete opposite in the good old USA. As an intelligent White Man, Brown and Black girls have flocked to me, but I rejected them. I have rarely seen attractive White women with non-Whites where I am. Also, the non-Whites who are breeding out of control on welfare are borderline mentally retarded.

            But if you are as smart as you claim, and you agree that the changing racial demographics are a problem, then what strategies do you recommend to work towards a positive outcome?

          • Luca

            The pendulum swings both ways. At some point this will reach critical mass and the Whites will say “Enough”.

            We must purge our politics of sick liberals who encourage this self-destructive insanity to stay in office.

          • Volunteer28

            God,I hope so. Actually I feel the change is coming, I hope I see it before I die.

          • We seem to be caught in a tautological trap.

            Blacks dominate the “blue ribbon glamorous sports,” but you seem to define “blue ribbon glamorous sports” as those that blacks happen to be good in for HBD reasons.

          • Volunteer28

            I don’t care who won the 20k Walking Race in the Olympics, nobody does, in fact I don’t want, and I don’t want to win it, it is embarrassing.
            I bet everybody at my nephew’s secondary School, all teenagers all knows who Usain Bolt is, none of them will know who the Olympic champ at the 20k walk is or really care, I don’t.

            There are such things as Blue Ribbon events.

            and the Blacks are winning at them.

          • I guess what’s bothering me more than anything is that young white people have their priorities screwed up. Then again, they’re young people, that’s par for the course.

            Who really cares who runs a hundred meters the fastest? In a world with automobiles and jets and orbiting craft and interplanetary craft, running fast is an obsolete skill. A quadrennial amusement at best.

            I’ll write here what I wrote in an Occidental Dissent comment awhile back. While it’s specific to a potentially independent Dixie, I think it has some applications to all white people(s):

            Dixie will truly be ready for true nationhood when its young white men think that winning the robotics contest is more important than winning the football game.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Negroes are superior at speed and/or jumping sports/events. Of course there are exceptions like the 2012 Olympics when Whites took gold in the long jump and high jump. Boxing involves speed also even though the greatest heavyweight fighter in the past 10 years has been a White man. His brother isn’t bad either.

            Whites are superior at strength/intelligence sports/events, building societies, raising children, creating, and sustaining the negro and other weaker sub-species.

            What do you think would happen it non-Africans stopped assisting those bantus in Africa? Stopped sending them medicine, building wells, etc. They would continue eating fly infested bush-meat and die off from Aids and other things.

          • Volunteer28

            I agree with what you are saying.

          • Juggernaut3000

            Women (used) to go out with men who were able to provide a home, stability and security for them and any future children they might have. Stable nuclear families defined White, orderly civilization, a civilization that made us the freest, most prosperous people on the face of the earth, ever.

            Our inventions and creations speak for themselves. No other race has set foot on the moon.

            The Cultural Marxists have us believe through 24/7 media brainwashing that blacks are more desirable life partners for White women because they are falsely portrayed as intelligent, hard working, gentle, non-violent, better fathers (look how THAT turned out for Cosby) and caring while White males are portrayed as boobs, bumbling fools, unintelligent and prone to violence, especially against women and children. The exact opposite of reality.

            Result? Miscegenation and single parenthood for White women, a terrible situation for children and the breakdown of the bedrock of White civilization: The intact nuclear family, which the Cultural Marxists tell us is aberrant and in need of total destruction because it is harmful to women and children. The exact opposite of reality.

            But when you look at the goal of Cultural Marxism: The complete destruction of the White Race, then it all makes perfect sense.

          • Volunteer28

            I agree with all that.

          • LACountyRedneck

            When you are an adult, are you more impressed with some guy that can run fast with a ball, or some intelligent man that creates things to better man? What does the negro do well compared to Whites other than run and dance? Something of value. Something to benefit society. ???

            They can’t even take care of themselves much less anyone else. Not only can’t they take care of themselves, they are a burden to anyone around them.

          • Volunteer28

            That’s irrelevant. Who gets the girl?
            The glamorous Athletic hunk, or the hard-working dolt?
            Look at how many White Women are going out with Black Men? You’ve got the same problem as we have here in the UK. We hav so many “Mixed-Race” children they hav a separate category on forms now, but what does “mixed race” mean? it basically means White women giving birth to Black children. So much being attracted to our brains.

          • LACountyRedneck

            A relatively small percentage of White women date negro men. More than I would like but black men don’t even want to marry negro women. Why do you think 75% of black babies are born out of wedlock.
            It’s obvious to even black men that White women are more attractive than black women. Why else would some rich black athlete like Michael Jordan date a White woman? I don’t see the negro/Asian tiger Woods dating non-White gold diggers.
            There are many more White “athletic hunk”(s) than there are black “athletic hunk”(s). And even more so when you include intelligence and someone you’d want to raise your kids with.
            So are you dating a negro? How is the relationship going? With all due respect you sound a bit bitter in your comments.
            Perhaps you were in a rush but it would be easier to read your comments if you left spacing and used uppercase when necessary.

          • Volunteer28

            We all know why Black men are going out with White Women, because Black women are so bloody ugly! But why are White women going out with Black men? I don’t know.

            1 million Britons are born to inter-racial relationships, and believe me, that basically means White Women giving birth to Black men’s babies. They are everywhere, we recently had the East European Invasion, and about half their women seem to hav Black Babies now too.

            White women are obsessed.

            Most White men are scrawny and ugly, boney noses as in the photo up above, hav narrow shoulders, skinny short legs, don’t muscle up well, funny shaped heads, flat backsides, some hav ginger hair, are a bit hairy, they can’t dance or cook.

          • LHathaway

            I suspect some black British believe they are going to take the UK, just as they’ve taken most of the islands in the Caribbean. I don’t have much experience with it, other than looking at a black girls eyes on a youtube video from the UK, lol.

          • pcmustgo

            Wait a minute now, I read that in Britain/England/UK WHITE MEN MARRY BLACK WOMEN AT ALMOST THE SAME RATES AS WHITE WOMEN MARRYING BLACK MEN… to speak to that!

          • Volunteer28

            Marriage rates maybe, but having Babies that’s different. i can’t find official figures but it is almost entirely White Women having Black babies,they are everywhere, even in White areas, they must out number Black women having White babies 10-20 times. maybe even more I think in my life I hav known maybe 5 Black women with White Babies,I will see more of that in reverse, ie White women with Black Babies, in one morning, even on one bus ride, even once in less than 5 minutes.

            we get a lot of this (from an article in a newspaper):

            “As Susie, 20, put it: “White men are boring and safe. A lot of white girls think black men have great bodies, like D’Angelo, and we want to have their babies because they are so beautiful. I like a cool, tough guy, you know.”

            “Sadie, 19, has two children by two Black men who are friends: “I am stupid. I thought they were the coolest guys, and I was so lucky. They were great dancers and they look at you and you melt…”

          • LHathaway

            We went through that phase here. As far as I know, for about 120 years. Then the media began a subtle reverse psychology campaign over here, beginning around 1993. Its scared the bageezers out of whites and the media has kept up this reverse psychology campaign ever since. No one ever comes out and talks about it or really acknowledges it, though. That scares people even more. It’s tough to keep people scared for 20 some odd years, but, considering our problems, they manage to do it easily enough..
            We have the white girl/black man thing in major urban areas but most white girls seemed to have gotten the hint. Now, perhaps 10% of white girls marry their Indian, Mexican, Chinese and other affirmative action co-workers. At least 10 percent of affirmative action female office workers seem to! And that’s an understatement from what little I’ve seen myself. A small few seem to marry black, but they seem to have decided they don’t want to hurt the black family, and as I said, adjusted. All of their children show up as part of our 1.8 white birth rate, I believe.
            I’ve literally seen white girls cagily try to get white boys (that they may want to date) jealous by feigning this. They are actually after a white husband. It was actually on campus that I noticed this. It may work in some cases but I fear the over all effect may not be the one they intend.

          • pcmustgo

            Hey, look. I live in NYC… Brooklyn… I very, very, very rarely see White women with Black men. I SEE WHITE MEN WITH ASIAN WOMEN LIKE NON-STOP EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!! 10x more of that coupling!

          • LHathaway

            When I visited Seattle, that was all I saw also, young white men with Asians, all over. I don’t know if it’s because I’ve been exposed to so much of the white woman/black man thing over the years (in some cases that was all that seemed to exist). . . but it was totally sick. Seattle is a disgrace to human civilization. One never knows, Seattle may stay strong while the rest of us crumble, but Seattle has to go.

          • Luca

            Black men are with White women who are not very smart. Those White women will statistically become either divorced, battered, murdered or abandoned at a much higher rate than any other racial combination.

          • See The Future

            This problem will be solved.

      • Massif1

        LOL. Blacks can’t swim.

        • Volunteer28

          I am sure that doesn’t bother them too much, seeing as they beat us at everything else.

          • Massif1

            whatever you say, troll.

      • Juggernaut3000

        Go here: http //www castefootball us/ and then get back to us about The Great Negro Athlete.

        • Volunteer28

          Eugenics would solve all our problems.

    • antiquesunlight

      Not exactly true for wrestling. Mijaín López has won the last two Olympics in Greco-Roman. Kevin Jackson won gold in 1992 in freestyle. However, whites, and especially Slavic whites, do in fact dominate wrestling.

      • italian guy

        My point wasn’t about who is the better than who, I was simply refuting the usual liberal fantasy about blacks being physically superior to anybody else.
        Whites are around 10% of the world population, yet they win everywhere, Imagine if there were more of us.

        • antiquesunlight

          I didn’t say blacks were better, I said you were wrong to state that blacks haven’t won Olympic gold medals in wrestling, because they have, including recently.

          In any case, we can agree that whites are excellent at everything.
          I mentioned Alexander Karelin above. That is a white athlete to be proud of.

          Alexander Karelin: 6’4″, 286 pounds. Broke and manhandled gigantic men like no one before or since. Undefeated for 13 years (1987 – 2000) at the highest international level of wrestling. Within that 13 years, he went six straight years without losing a single *point*, won 3 Olympic gold medals, 9 World Championship golds, and 12 European Championship golds. So here’s to Alexander Karelin, the scariest white man on earth.

      • Chip Carver

        The exception proves the rule. Whites dominate strength sports and sports like wrestling even more than blacks dominate sprinting or basketball.

    • bilderbuster

      Two words: Winter Olympics.

      • EtruscaAleksovna

        BingBingBing! Herein lies the difference. Survival in the cold versus low-hanging available fruit and food on the hoof all year around. Brain growth is the key.

        • Volunteer28

          Totally agree. It has been the Cold that has been the greatest stimulus, spur to the greater intelligence amongst Caucasian and Mongoloid people. both of our races wer born in the freezing cold.

        • JohnEngelman

          In addition, civilization selects biologically for individuals of high intelligence.

      • dd121

        And swimming in the Summer Olympics.

        • bilderbuster

          They sink like stones because of their bone density. Even with thousands of miles of warm coastal waters off of Africa to practice in since the dawn of time, most never bother learning to swim anyways.
          They can’t produce a swimmer who can compete against the men and women who’s ancestors come from the land of the ice and snow with the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.

          • dd121

            Physically, one branch of blacks run fast over short distances, another run fast over long distances. That’s about the extent of their physical ability.

          • bilderbuster

            True. And there are many funny jokes that have been made about that ability of theirs 🙂

    • Itooktheredpill

      I have no trouble admitting that on average people of west african descent have great genetics for sprinting and jumping. They also often have good strength genetics.

      However the best genetics and body types for raw strength are found amongst whites. No question about it we dominate all strength sports in a profound fashion. The numbers some of our best put up are mind boggling.

      Its one of the few average physical advantages we have over them in sports.

    • Juggernaut3000

      What’s left out of the equation in this part of the thread is intelligence, which blacks do not have. Wrestling and MMA require not only athletic ability but intelligence as well, the ability to quickly plan and execute future moves.

  • haroldcrews

    It is an enlightening but rather short read. In my opinion for what it’s worth the book short have had two parts. The first part being the personal testimonies and the second being the studies that justify the views given in the first part.

    • JohnEngelman

      I can document on a single computer screen the facts that blacks are characterized by low average intelligence and high crime.

      • jane johnson

        Nice job, John, but I can name that tune in three words: Congressional Black Caucus.

    • guest

      Why a book? The Internet will suffice magnificently (if the site is suitably moderated)
      to lay out a vast account of individual experiences that will reveal starkly how pervasive these issues are.

  • LHathaway

    By focusing on black ‘inability’ and not the overwhelming black racism experienced by every contributor in the book, Mr. Engelman deflates the wheel that could get this race car going. There are a few cases in these stories where black inability caused the whites in them to suffer, and it is interesting to note (and a few cases it is simply a part of the story) but what if the blacks in them had been super-proficient and the whites involved slackers?Would the racism whites suffered have been any less, or would their superiors and co-workers have tormented them all the more? The real issue here is their racism and hatred and plain ‘ole disregard for whites. It’s been a long time, but Jared Taylor has previously pointed out, ‘with affirmative action policies, how are whites (who deserved the chance) going to pick up these skills’? One cannot complain about affirmative action and then also claim that all blacks are useless and in a subordinate position, and incapable.

    As far as the firefighter, soldier and policemen are concerned, if it is true, women on average have innate disadvantages in these fields (ignoring affirmative action) it must also be true blacks on average have advantages here. ‘Race realists’ should acknowledge this sad (if unimportant) truth.
    Women can have success in all these fields (and are having success – despite their natural disadvantages, on average). What is more interesting to me is that there has been no progress in the garbage collection field. None at all. Virtually zero. I don’t suspect this will change. I do not claim to be a race-realist myself, if only for the fact race realist phonetically sounds like racist. I stray from the heard a bit here on AmRen, too, but when everyone starts to say the same thing, that’s when you know it’s a lie.

    Most jobs in America do not require much intelligence. Intelligence (or affirmative action) is only required to get them. It is the racism and disregard for Whites that doesn’t seem to be going away.

    • UncleSham

      Your assertion that if women have an innate disadvantage at a certain profession then Blacks must have an innate advantage is ridiculous. Professions such as firefighter, soldier and policeman require a certain level of both physical and mental fitness. Most Blacks will be inadequate for mental reasons and most women will be inadequate for physical reasons.

  • Sid Ishus

    Good review

  • MBlanc46

    Thanks, John. I’ll download the Kindle app so that I can purchase a copy. And thanks to Jared Taylor for continuing to bring this information to the world.

    • dd121

      I think I’ll buy the book on the grounds that I’d like to throw a couple of bucks to Mr. Taylor. I’m already pretty well versed in the subject matter as is everyone who posts here .

      • MBlanc46

        I’ve probably read most of the pieces by now. Like you, I want to support Jared Taylor, and also John Engelman for taking the time to write a very intelligent review.

  • Garrett Brown

    Amren is publishing content from a known anti white, Jew obsessed autist with severe mental problems now? I think I’m done.

    • NoMosqueHere

      That’s true, to the extent Amren doesn’t delete your post.

  • NoMosqueHere

    I wish there were more articles containing statistics about inter-racial violent crime, which appears to be virtually all black on white.

  • WhiteGuyInJapan

    Loved this book. I generally read quantitative studies but the intimate detail of this more qualitative book helps to paint a more vivid picture of the dilemma. Well done!

  • Albert

    I bought the book on kindle and the one chapter that really surprised me was the one that discussed blacks in combat roles. Discussion of “the warrior gene” in blacks kind of painted them out to be noble savages or brave warriors. To read that black morale is so fragile in battle that the least bit of adversity can cause them to fall apart and retreat… I think they need to rename the “warrior gene.” There is a correlation to aggression but i guess aggression and courage are two different things.

    • EtruscaAleksovna

      They gain strength with the thought of numerical advantage. If it is not there, or if you can exploit a weakness, it is done.

    • The Dude

      Aggression alone is not enough to make a good warrior. Good warriorship requires courage, discipline, self-possession, quick decision-making, and precision when dealing with arms.

    • Itooktheredpill

      I played football at a predominately white catholic high school. In the league we played in there were a few predominately black high school teams that we played a few times a year.

      Before the games we always knew that they would be fast, athletic, and strong. But when it came to discipline, tactics, team solidarity, football IQ they where often comical.

      The moment something went wrong they would all be at each other throats. “Damn T”Rone you dumb Ni88a the count was on 3″ ” NA Jamal you a dumb Ni88a !” and so on and so forth.

      Also often times once things started going poorly for them or it was clear that they could not make a comeback there star players would start doing their best to just earn personal glory just try to get as many yards, or jukes or passes whatever. Just so that at the end of the game they could say “Yah Ni88as is wack I was busting ass out there” .

      Thats why the whole prospect of an actual race war is something I look forward to. The fact that they think they can win is a result of their low average IQ, and childish interpretation of reality.

      • LHathaway

        I give you a positive vote, but only if you’re going for irony.

    • Kenner

      I’ve read that the gene was originally called the ‘murder gene’, and was sanitized to the ‘warrior gene’ after it was found in a large number of blacks. There’s a difference between courage and ferocity on the battlefield and the spontaneous, mindless brutality that occurs among blacks.

    • See The Future

      As the Mau Mau they are very courageous while swinging a machete at an unarmed victim.

  • Tarczan

    All three are in the book. I bought the book a few weeks ago and really enjoyed it. It read like a novel, light and entertaining. The thing that impressed me was how well these ordinary people write and present their experiences in a cogent manner.
    Contrast this clear writing by layman with the tortured syntax and writing from the Cultural Marxists (and supposed academics) that we are sometimes exposed to here on AmRen.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      That well-written, cogent style is actually one of the knocks against the book from some critics on Amazon, and to be honest, the book does show a fairly heavy editorial hand. I noted in my review that the book could be good for liberals sitting on the fence, since the accounts are presented without invective or rancor. But the chances that fourteen of us could write about our experiences with race and not veer into some decidedly uncivil language is probably nil, and no doubt Jared Taylor had to sand off many rough edges. Certainly in my own personal experience, after a lifetime of egalitarian lies, I did not greet the unpleasant truth with measured, civil tones. There’s none of my blazing anger in this book, and that’s probably a good thing if one’s aim is to try to convince people who still have some liberal delusions.

  • Funruffian

    I work in Oakland, CA. On a regular basis I run into Blacks who hold pretty important positions. But I am not surprised at how incompetent and unqualified they are for their roles. They seem to act as if they know what is going on and all the requirements of their duties, but it doesn’t translate in their overall performance. In a city where 34% of the populace is Black it is not surprising that it would have a morass of social, political, economic and infrastructural problems.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    This viewpoint leaves out the fluid and changing nature of populations. One example: the achievement gap between races has increased since the 1960s due to liberal policies. Blacks have been dumbed down more than whites, although all groups are being dumbed down. As well there is such huge diversity within races that it makes it hard to maintain a realistic racist viewpoint. There are so many hoardes of stupid and criminal white people that I myself would not like to associate with. I think the only way race would be important is in two cases:

    1. Stop endemic discrimination (affirmative action etc.) and accept that some groups are more capable on average than others. I find this something worth arguing for a lot more than constantly talking about how stupid blacks are and how separation is the answer to everything. Stop discriminating against whites and let them freely associate (as in stopped force integration). I don’t think its neccessary to go to the other extreme and force separation or to totally exclude someone based on race. I think the supposed liberal dream of people being treated equally would serve the interests of most race realists.

    2. Any kind of ethnic community that does exist must be held together by a culture. Simply dividing people up by ancestry doesn’t mean anything. There must be a synthesis of race (i.e. ancestry) and culture and identification with that group. The community should have standards. So the white person with an I.Q. of 80 is not considered a normal white person. If we look only at ancestry then we consider the white person with an I.Q. of 80 to be one of us and the black person with an I.Q. of 120 to be a “stupid negro”. It’s too simplistic of a view that doesn’t hold up.

    The problem here is I don’t see anyone motivated enough to create a real ethnic community, other than Jews. They already have the three aspects of ethnicity- ancestry, culture and group identification. Without that, your racialist attempts are rather futile. It’s like capturing a band of wolves and trying to divide them up according to whether they interbred with foxes or not. It doesn’t matter what their ancestry is- it matters what they are now. We’re all pretty much degenerates now living in a community with no standards.

    That’s probably the most important change. In the 1950s if you were going to a white school and you were stupid the teacher would put a dunce cap on you and sit you in a corner. Today if you are white and go to a white school and you’re dumb, the teacher will tell you that you are special and double the funding for your education and probably give you an affirmative action government job. The promotion of inability is more fundamentally important than race.

    Then if you were white in the 1950s and being extremely anti-social- violent, rude, disruptive etc. you would be consider defective. Today such behavior is considered normal. I know they put all the low income kids on ridalin for acting like normal kids, I don’t mean that, I mean people walking around grabbing their crotch and assaulting people etc. It’s the total absence of an ethnic community with clearly defined standards and identity that is more important than ancestry. Somebody with navajo ancestry that lives in a white community is not a real navvajo. He needs to be part of an existing navajo tribe to be a navajo. Community and the standards associated with it are important.

    • IstvanIN

      Totally disagree. The lower IQ white is still one of us and the high IQ black can never be. Not all lower IQ Whites are violent or useless. They can be of value in a White nation and can contribute to society. Plus, except for outright race traitors I am not willing to sacrifice any White person to the hordes. Let the high IQ black improve his race.

      We desperately need separation from blacks. Since 1865 it has been proven time and time again that we can only live among blacks when we maintain strict control of society. Not only has that strict control disappeared it is tiring. Why not just live among a people who are generally able to follow the rules without a police state?

      Furthermore blacks aren’t being dumbed down, they are devolving. From personal observation the talented 10th have very few children and the ghetto blacks have many. They are devolving back to their natural state.

      I do agree we need to get away from AA and allow more freedom of association. We must get away from the idea that we are all the same and all have the same innate abilities. We don’t. Equal under the law, yes, equal outcomes, no.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        So basically the root feeling here is that we are a white race and to be loyal to it. There is no logic to it, just a sense of us vs them. I don’t really feel any connection to the people around me. I don’t feel like they share my basic values or nature, regardless of race. I value things like community or reading books. They value things like getting laid and getting high. I plant flowers, they sniff glue. I can live among these people but I don’t feel I am one of them. The main thing that draws me to online WN sites is the massive amount of discrimination against me for being a white male, along with speeches in school about how all problems are caused by the white man etc. I wouldn’t even feel a strong sense of race if it wasn’t for the odd fact that I continually deal with people who see me only as a white male and can’t see me as an individual.

        I would say whites are devolving as well. One thing that really struck me when reading Nietzsche and even a lot of Nazi racial theorist seem to have stated this: Man didn’t evolve from monkeys. Monkeys de-evolved from man. Lesser evolved races aren’t simply primitive prototypes of the more advanced ones: they are defective, degenerated versions of the more perfect beings. I’m sure reality is more nuanced than that but something about that resonated with me.

        There seems to be some inconsistency as to the motivations. Are they motivated by an idea that non-whites are inferior or that whites should have a loyalty to each other and sense of group identity? I guess some more fundamental questions should be clearly stated in books like this, along with an FAQ addressing common assumptions and questions. If its all about white loyalty then its a matter of personal choice (or feeling) whether someone identifies as part of the white tribe. Bell curves and statistics really wouldn’t matter as much. Again if it was about a sense of identity then there should be some formal declaration of membership (such as with the Jewish tribe).

        That has probably been the weirdest thing about online racist ideology that I could never understand. Some white person who doesn’t share your views, or even consider white to be an important part of identity- you really care about who he dates or where he lives and impose your own morality onto this guy (or girl). I don’t understand why you consider yourself to be a part of something that doesn’t exist, or consider people on your team who themselves don’t believe they are on your team. It’s like believing you are married to a woman, but you aren’t married in any official way and the woman doesn’t consider you to be her spouse. It’s all in the head of the racalist. That might be why endless conflict divides them. One person considers all blondes to be on his team and part of his race. He never bothered to consult any actual blondes on this issue. So he gets upset when some blond neighbor who never met him before goes and marries a brown haired person. Another person considers all “Germans” to be on his team, never consulting anyone else. etc. etc. No wonder when they come together into a group there are endless conflicts of ideology and no ability to agree or work on anything productive. There seems to be a strong thread of irrationality here. Maybe that’s my problem, I’m approaching this subject from a rational viewpoint.

        • IstvanIN

          Good grief, not all low IQ Whites sit around sniffing glue. None the less the White race is my extended family, the people I am most closely related to. Every family has its good and bad, its hard working and its slackers, its oddballs and its straight laced. We try to straighten out the bad, motivate the lazy and tolerate the oddballs but, unless they are outright race traitors, they are family and we should stick together.

        • LHathaway

          We’re all like separate snowflakes that have little in common with each other? We share no ethnicity, like a competing band of wolves? You yourself wrote, “The main thing that draws me to online WN sites is the massive amount of discrimination against me for being a white male, along with speeches in school about how all problems are caused by the white man”.

          It seems that someone out there is able to identify your race. . . even if you can’t. I suppose it’s your job to speak up for the glue sniffers. I’ve seen them do it myself. I read the comments here and I don’t think most people are sticking up for whites. If it is intended to be parody or irony, I’m not sure. It would be more pleasant to read if it were at least humorous.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            There is a huge amount of variation among the white race. A huge variation in appearance, intelligence, beliefs, behaviors, sanity etc. I would say that difference is to the point of being greater than the difference between some member of the opposite race. I have more in common with socially well adjusted high IQ black man than a typical meth head white prison inmate. I think too much emphasis here is placed on some sense of loyalty to “white race” when its far too general of a term and arbitrarily defined. The arbitrarily defined aspect could explain why there are so many ingroup conflicts between online WNs as to who is or isn’t white. I don’t consider someone to be part of my family who does not recognize me back as family or share my values and so forth.

            I’m sure when David Rothschild comes up with a plan to sterilize me or strip me of my rights, he isn’t doing it because he’s “family”. He’s doing it because I’m not part of his family. It would be ridiculous for me to look at predators who prey upon me as part of my in-group. It seems to be a really twisted form of tribalism. At least if you are in a gang or something all members of the gang agree that they are part of the same gang and understand what that means. This is all based on just sorting people between us and them and what is us and them isn’t even clearly defined.

            It’s the same with the hate whitey discrimination I experience. Such behavior is totally illogical. Just because they do it doesn’t justify doing the same thing but against non-whites.

            It’s like having some kind of extreme form of patriotism and consider all Americans your brother. Americans come in every shape or form, I don’t see how an American would be any more or less my brother than a Russian. Maybe some basic similarity in experience or culture. But if citizenship were something someone had to declare, as a conscious choice and involved some kind of standards, then I could understand patriotism. Otherwise its just arbitrary distraction. It’s akin to rooting for a football team just because you happen to live in that town at the time. It’s just an arbitrary rivalry and it always seems to be expressed in a negative way here- hating others, putting others down, rather than positive- helping your ingroup, organizing productive goals etc.

            Just as an example, you could easily build a white community. Gather up a handful of people and make one. There are plenty of private communities in America. It seems like the goal or point of race realism is hard to define here and boils down to just hating the other, or in the least insulting him.

          • LHathaway

            “It’s the same with the hate whitey discrimination I experience. . . Just because they do it doesn’t justify doing the same thing but against non-whites”.

            That’s debatable. If they can spend 60 years tormenting us because of being told whites are evil, we can spend a few years in solidarity with other whites on account of the disregard (at best) that they’ve shown us, for real.

        • DaveMed

          You have some good points, and I sympathize to some degree. In many ways, I have more in common with the Asians in my class than I do with the loud, vulgar Whites who walk around with flat-billed baseball caps and listen to rap.

          This is why my idea of a White nation is not one with policies that scrutinize one’s ancestry with a fine-toothed comb and a magnifying glass. In my opinion, a country that is >95% White and committed to the idea of maintaining that racial/ethnic majority could be reasonably considered a White nation. I do not worship “racial purity” or “blood.” There are core members of the AmRen community who have some American Indian blood, for instance. They are here because they consider themselves White – and so do I.

          With all of this said, we must bear in mind that it would be appropriate for Whites to have some sort of racial identity. Asians, Blacks, Latinos, and others all do. The concept that “race is a social construct” is a delusion from which only Whites suffer.

          As we dwindle to a smaller and smaller minority, our sense of kinship will grow proportionately. Because the fact of the matter is that our race is the expression of our common European ancestry. And ancestry matters. Knowing where we come from matters. And preserving our peoples through the generations to come matters.

          • pcmustgo

            and some half Jewish members here, like me!

        • dd121

          Equating short and tall people to blacks and whites. Hmmm.

        • Chasmania

          ” So basically the root feeling here is that we are a white race and to be loyal to it. There is no logic to it, just a sense of us vs them. I don’t really feel any connection to the people around me. I don’t feel like they share my basic values or nature, regardless of race… ”

          Us vs Them worked well for many thousands of years, and would work today if not for the poisons of leftists multiculturalism and the degrading effects of mixing.

          Not feeling a connection to the small demographic that you personally know is no grounds for writing off age old ethnic traditionalism.

  • Realist

    The most important attribute humans have over all other animals is intellectual…at least a few. Human physical attributes are pretty much useless in todays world. Many animals can easily beat humans in physical endeavors.

    • JohnEngelman

      The most common ancestor of humans is the chimpanzee. The common ancestor of humans and chimps was divided about six million years ago by the creation of the Rift Valley.

      Chimps are said to be three times as strong as humans. Nevertheless, they are less intelligent. Throughout human evolution there has been an increase in intelligence, and a decrease in strength.

      • Realist

        Yes, brains beat brawn.

        • See The Future

          Unfortunately when dealing with a brute no amount of brains is going to pull you out of a bad situation.

    • See The Future

      Just look at monkeys at the zoo!

  • silviosilver

    So, the camel has gotten its nose under the tent. That’s what Amren’s endorsement of the anti-white John Engelman signifies. (Engelman wants whites to extinguish themselves – how can ceasing to exist be good for whites?) This review will quickly be forgotten. The effects of Engelman’s deviousness, however, will be felt for far longer. I curse Amren’s short-sightedness and desperation, truly I do.

  • IstvanIN

    They can do many manual labor jobs such as maid, janitor, street sweeper, porter, etc., but welfare and mass immigration has taken those jobs away from them.

  • Mary

    This is a well-written, informative review, and I look forward to reading the book. I agree that the inclusion of statistics and objective information would be very beneficial, especially for those who are open-minded but not yet fully convinced regarding race realism.

  • Michael Mason

    Reading through the points of this article, one becomes astonished by how a race so different from us could even function artificially in our society. It then becomes clear that white people don’t recognize racial differences and black inadequacy because of the smokescreen of, not just the news and entertainment media,

    • See The Future

      A tragedy unfolding unfortunately.

  • I read this book, “Face to Face With Race” this week. The stories are highly credible and tell us what we already knew: we have a problem and it comes in blackface.

  • LHathaway

    I think sometime after the civil war some boasted that they were open to all, “regardless of race or previous condition of servitude”.

  • LACountyRedneck

    Can’t believe the number of White Gentiles that support the anti-Gentile Engelman. Disgusting.
    I believe I am done with Amren. I haven’t spent but two minutes digesting this and am not sure how to react.

  • LACountyRedneck

    Anderson Silva. Disrespectful, a glass jaw, and a glass leg.

    • antiquesunlight

      Yeah, I always hated him and thought he was and is a bit overrated. I laughed hysterically when he got KO’d in the first fight.

      • LACountyRedneck

        Same here. The irony of seeing him being his usual disrespectful clown self While having his glass jaw jolted was the most fun I’ve had watching a fight in a long time.

        Don’t think it affected him as much as having his leg shattered. We’ll see if it humbled him in his comeback fight. I’m looking forward to another broken chicken wing. 🙂

        • antiquesunlight

          I’ll be surprised if he’s much humbler. Some people, who have a tendency to have permanently tanned skin, just don’t know what humility is, no matter what. Jones is another one. That guy is so full of himself it’s ridiculous. I hope Cormier beats him bad.

          I think Diaz has a good chance of beating Silva. The only reason I give Silva much of a chance at all is because he will have a big size and power advantage.

    • Augustus3709

      Not sure that you can claim that many blacks have “glass jaws”, what with the prognathism and all, but I read somewhere that negroid jaws are weaker under the ears. –Info which could come in handy for some. Go with a hook rather than a straight.

  • mrfinoni

    With limited jobs available for undergrads that means the Whites have to seek employment elsewhere while standards drop.

  • mrfinoni

    These are important first hand stories which need to get out. I have observed as of late that many people I talk to don’t watch TV. Some young people on social media rarely if ever watch the politically correct indoctrination that is prime time TV. This to me is good news! It means less people drinking the Kool-Aid. However we still have to contend with the education system. How do we undo almost 60 years of left wing indoctrination, while those supposedly representing conservative values (family, respect, honesty…etc.) really just want working class Whites to work for slave wages?

  • LACountyRedneck

    “White Gentiles with double digit IQ’s are being tossed aside as brilliant Jews and Orientals are driving luxury cars to a future that will get better and better for them.” — John Engelman, Alternative Right.

    “The thought of you losing your job to a more intelligent Jew or Oriental is pleasing to me. As time goes on there will be more of that.” — John Engelman.

    • LHathaway

      They will be driving by in a Foreign luxury car. . . Has a leftist bought American when buying a new car before? Why, exactly did the US government buy a share of one of the automakers if it can’t increase the number of folk (leftists) who buy an American car? I have seen a few possible leftists buy a new Hyundai. I’ll give it to the Nuevo rich among the immigrants. It’s rare for them to buy an American car, but sometimes they actually do buy a fancy American car. At this point, it’s almost foolish for Us to keep them propped up on the leg they have left by buying one.

      • See The Future

        you mean the “nouveau riche”…………rich but not smart

  • IBWHITE

    Watch the second Weidman / Silva bout and you’ll notice Weidman catches Silva with a good left hook that knocked him down. I think Silva was rattled by that shot and decided to try taking Weidmans legs out from under him with hard thai kicks. Weidman had been training to check that kick and it resulted in Silva breaking his leg. I remember Ray Longo spoke about that in an interview.

  • Juggernaut3000

    I see Engelman has given free reign to carry out more of his psy-ops campaign against Whites.

  • Haven’t you noticed that there are frequent use of in game and media timeouts in basketball? The more of them there are and the more they are used, the more that plays into the short distance sprinting and athletic ability of western African black men and their diaspora.

  • It’s a fact of life. Ceteris paribus, people are more outraged by and also respond to outgroup on ingroup violence than they are by ingroup on ingroup violence. This is why thousands of blacks are taking to the streets to protest two black men dying at the hands of white men, while they ignore the thousands of black men that die at the hands of black men.

    That also applies to us. I know that if I die before my time, through some sort of foul play, that it’s significantly more likely to be at the hands of a white person than a black or other non-white person. However, I’m more outraged at black on white crime because it’s outgroup on ingroup.

    Here’s another example. If your brother slugs you in the face, or a neighbor slugs you in the face, who are you going to be more mad at? Right.

  • Reynardine

    You do bring up a good point: “foreign” being the operative phrase. While all negroes are wild and wooly to an extent, American blacks have what must be the worst attitudes in existence.

    • rebelcelt

      Even Blacks from America do not like American Blacks.

      • fartun dore

        They tell you that, did they? LOLZ.
        As black myself, I like ALL blacks no matter where they´re from and I am sure other black people feel the same, too. We stick together.

        BTW your comment is the stupidest one I´ve ever read.

  • IstvanIN

    You don’t get it. Family isn’t about who you do or do not like, it is about who you are related to and where your loyalties lie. You may not want to be friends with certain types, I get that, but in the end they are still family. Once you decide who is or isn’t part of your racial group based on anything other than strictly race you lose all cohesiveness as a group. Blacks and Jews stick up for their own regardless, we do not have that kind of tribal loyalty and will go down the tubes because of it.

  • MartelsGhost

    My grandfather told me a few stories about his time in Korea after a belt or two of scotch and nobody else was around. He stories about the blacks troops he saw in action coincide completely with the story about the 24th that is included in the book. Stories about the overall cowardice of black soldiers go all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt and I’m sure go back till the dawn of time.

    IMO the innate cowardice of blacks is in large part responsible for their hyper-sensitivity and inability to engage in a fair 1:1 fight. Nothing screams chickensh*t quite like sucker punching a guy or drop-kicking a female from behind…………………………….

    • pcmustgo

      That behavior doesn’t scream “chickens…t”. It screams “psychopath”. That’s like calling Muslim terrorists cowards for flying buildings into planes.

      • MartelsGhost

        Muslims ARE COWARDS for attacking innocent travelers and flying into a building full of innocent workers.

        Only cowards seek to engage combat with no risk of retribution or loss. Most psychopaths are cowards also.

        Are you saying you think of muslim terrorists, Albert Fish, Charles Manson etc and the word Bravery comes to mind? If so I might suggest you talk to someone about that……………….

      • OS-Q

        It is both. They had to cut through a lot of stewardesses to get to the pilot’s cab.

      • See The Future

        Muslims did not fly planes into the twin towers.

  • tlk244182

    Great review by a clever, White-hating Jewish saboteur.

    • LACountyRedneck

      Bingo, tik. Very disturbing.

    • Whitesneedtobebrave

      Who is that. John Engleman???

      • LACountyRedneck

        The biggest Gentile basher on this site I know. It’s disturbing what he has said and still allowed to post here. He was banned from Alt. Right not long ago. He’s also a big Jew/Oriental “A” kisser.

        • Whitesneedtobebrave

          I have noticed that Amren is a jew kisser and also censors comments that also tell the truth. I guess they too bow down to the jew master.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Alternative Right. Another website for Whites. You can find his comments there. The ones he posted prior to his being banned for bashing Gentiles. Not sure how many sites Johnny has been booted from now.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have never known American Renaissance moderators to censor facts.

          • Whitesneedtobebrave

            Says John the sneaky liberal, who should be kicked out of Ameren. People have told me about you, you anti white diversity America hating liberal

          • JohnEngelman

            I express my opinions candidly, not in a “sneaky” manner.

          • There is a more complete discussion of Jewish participation or the lack of it regarding caucasian causes (of which they are a part) on Western Spring, under the “Condell Moment”. W.S., like AmRen, is not anti-semitic. I think we have enough battles to fight without picking more.

          • DaveMed

            There are a good number of Jews who identify as White and are eager to engage in the defense of European civilization. They might as well be embraced in the movement.

          • pcmustgo

            yup , like me

          • pcmustgo

            and many jewish and half-jewish people, like me, post on here…

        • DaveMed

          I wouldn’t go so far as to call him a “Gentile basher.”

          It’s more accurate to say that he cares only (or almost entirely) about IQ, while the majority of the rest of us consider IQ to be only part of the equation – we see inherent value in shared racial/ethnic identities and cultures.

          • LHathaway

            That could be true. I suspect John hypes the model minorities, at times, simply because it pisses some people off. I’m not picking sides, but I can’t blame him. Actually, I’ll pick his side. I usually do, actually. We need all the help we can get. I’ll stop there rather than say, ‘you’re not helping’. At least not in this case. You’re embarrassing our cause.

            There’s irony in what John says in a way, sometimes. It’s certainly not limited to John. You know, the same folks who always say blacks are stupid, very quickly and loudly say, “But whites are more Creative than Asians. . . . etc. etc.
            I suspect ‘the truth being on John’s side’ is only icing on the cake for him. How many times can he listen to the post, “I’m glad that liberal got killed, he deserved to be mugged (stated ever more crudely and crudely)” before he decides he doesn’t mind hearing about one of us racial righties lose a job to an Asian or Indian? I think Martin Luther King would have something to say about this. . .
            Heck, John’s become one of you. I’ve always know, you are ALL helping out hate-watch. haha. . . it’s like listening to the different arms of our one party system pretend to fight. . .
            At least John only wears only number 2 human-off, human repellent, when he posts. Some of us sport industrial strength.

          • LACountyRedneck

            If you bash Gentiles you are a Gentile basher. I don’t think you’re aware of the comments I’m referring to.

          • LACountyRedneck

            You’re almost on Johnny’s level, DM. You’re simply not as open about it.

          • JohnEngelman

            I recognize the importance of a high IQ without celebrating it. Intellectual brilliance is like beauty. Both are nice to have. Nevertheless, they lack moral significance.

    • JohnEngelman

      Most of the people I have known and liked during my life have been white Gentiles. These include my relatives. I am a white Gentile myself.

      I appreciate people of different races, cultures, and nations. Nevertheless, I am aware that different races, cultures, and nations differ in average ability levels and behavior. That awareness is the essence of race realism.

      I am particularly fascinated by tribes that preserved a paleolithic way of life into the twentieth century. The paleolithic era lasted for over two and a half million years ago. It had more of an effect on human evolution than what has happened to us since the beginning of agriculture. By studying paleolithic peoples we learn about our ancestors, and consequently ourselves.

  • Whitesneedtobebrave

    I can never understand this, blacks non whites and libs always accuse whites of being hateful, but when these blacks, libs and non whites hate white people, they same people say that they have a right to do so because of white racism. Also, these same people want white help all the time and cannot do anything without the white man giving them a hand up. Such hypocrisy.

  • LHathaway

    I haven’t read it yet. . . but there was purportedly a very excellent book written on this very topic that pulled few punches. . . . ‘Chinese Girl in the Ghetto’.

  • JohnEngelman

    Someone reading my review might conclude that I hate blacks. The truth is more complex. For the Negro race I feel ambivalence and disappointment.

    My parents taught me not to hate blacks. I still try not too. Nevertheless, I have been the victim of several black crimes, and nearly murdered. That has made me willing to acknowledge regrettable facts about blacks most liberals do not like to be told about.

    Over the years I have come reluctantly to suspect that in states with large black populations Jim Crow legislation was based on sound instinct. Nevertheless, the civil rights legislation has become part of the status quo. As a Burkian I think it would be unwise to repeal it.

    I like the blacks I know. The most intelligent friend I have ever had was a black college professor. I sometimes patronize a neighborhood tavern where most of the regulars are black. They like me. I like them. One saved my life when four blacks mugged me.

    • pcmustgo

      I don’t hate them, I know many of them hate me, and it’s creepy.

      • JohnEngelman

        Yesterday I attended a Holiday smorgasbord given by a nearby tavern. Nearly everyone there was black. Half of them knew me and liked me. The others did not seem to dislike me.

        The only problem I have had with blacks is with black crime. I am confident that the blacks who have committed crimes against me have also committed crimes against blacks.

    • See The Future

      You may not be so fortunate the next time.

  • Actually I did buy the Kindle version of this book when it first came out. I should post a review on Amazon if it’s needed. If I recall my only concern with this book was that some who could be pursuaded by it may think it’s simply a collection of “bad experiences” with blacks selected from a much larger population which contains overwhelmingly positive experiences with blacks.

    The nature of the experiences seems to tell against this as they genuinely seem to feel very authentic to me, although possibly edited for grammer by Mr. Taylor.

    Also it’s good that you did something for AmRen, John. I need to become more involved myself (my real name also is John) although I’m concerned my family may not understand my developing racism, and I’m worried about repercussions at work.

    • JohnEngelman

      Thank you.

      Political correctness can be seen as lying on behalf of social harmony. It is difficult to say to a friend or co-worker, “I like you, but I think you belong to an inferior race.”

      Nevertheless, if people at work discover your “developing racism” I suspect many of them will agree with you. Bosses tend to lean to the right, so your boss may have had problems with affirmative action.

      The important thing is that you get along with each of your co-workers, and treat them as individuals, rather than as members of a race you may feel negatively about.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      The Kindle edition is also lacking a Table of Contents.
      .
      My Kindle copy has both a regular TOC (between the Copyright Page and the Introduction) and an “ncx” TOC that is navigable through the Kindle app/device. You can see the regular TOC in the “Look Inside” feature on Amazon. Could you please double check this?

    • JohnEngelman

      The liberal image of a “racist” is of a semi literate swamp dweller. It is important not to conform to that image. Let the anti-racists resort to displays of emotion. Remain calm in the face of their invective. Listen to their arguments, and have the facts at your disposal.

  • I used to have a very old SAAB that required some maintenance but was not really that troublesome. I bought it used too. Just proper maintenance and bringing it to the SAAB specialist once in a while. I think you underestimate the ease of maintaining acceptable relations with “the average American blacks”.

  • pcmustgo

    I’ve known some agreeable Blacks, they’re just so overwhelmed by the disagreeable experiences I had with the disagreeable ones. The good ones are not worth the bad ones!

  • pcmustgo

    Well don’t forget Capoiera, Afro-Brazilian martial arts/break-dancing… pretty amazing, acrobatic stuff.

  • nexus974

    I finished the book this morning. Recommended.

  • pcmustgo

    Ok, but just so you know, I have met 2 whites who both had good experiences with Black Muslim cellies… one even said the Black Muslim rescued him from being sexually molested by a sexual predator (of unknown race) in prison. Not all prisons have racial tension.

    I TOTALLY AGREE THAT SMART/HIGH IQ BLACKS CAN BE JUST AS PROBLEMATIC AND JUST AS RACIST IF THEY HATE WHITES. I personally prefer a low IQ but pleasant Black person, to a high IQ one who hates whites who is nasty and rude to me. I used to socialize with Blacks quite a bit too.

  • pcmustgo

    Well,. yeah, White liberals don’t have our back either!

  • JohnEngelman

    An outspoken race realist is like a guest at a Georgetown dinner party who announces loudly enough for everyone to hear that the hostess worked her way through Vassar as a call girl. Even if everyone knows that it true – no especially if they know it is true – such a person will be erased from everyone’s invite list.

    The insights of race realism, while true, have grim political implications. Whether than consider those implications, it is comforting to silence the messengers.

    Liberals pretend that the solution can be found in more of what has not worked since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed, and since the War on Poverty was begun the same year. They pretend that we need more social reform, with the emphasis on affirmative action and controls on the police, and more social welfare spending.

    Conservatives pretend that the problem is that blacks are confined to “the Democrat plantation,” which keeps them dependent. They maintain that if someone graduates from high school, takes any job available, and has no illegitimate children, that person will almost certainly not be poor.

    In different ways liberals and conservatives ignore the increasingly importance of having a high IQ, and the fact that you have to be born with one.

  • Paleoconn

    Does anybody know where I can find the story about the subway employee who was spat on by blacks. Or the story about the law student who took a job as a clerk in some city office in the ghetto, working alongside incompetent blacks and hispanics. Good reads, both.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      Does anybody know where I can find the story about the subway employee who was spat on by blacks.
      .
      Chapter 3 of Face to Face with Race, or Chapter 5 of A Race Against Time, the title is “Hell on Wheels” by Daniel Attila.
      .
      Or the story about the law student who took a job as a clerk in some city office in the ghetto, working alongside incompetent blacks and hispanics. Good reads, both.
      .
      That one sounds like “Dispatches From the Go-Slow Zone,” by John Ingram, which is Chapter 2 of Face to Face with Race. Ingram was a new lawyer, not a law student though.

      • Paleoconn

        Thanks very much, FNS. Merry Christmas to you and yours!

  • Alec Ryan
    • Reynardine

      Link please?

  • JohnEngelman

    It needs to be safe for whites to express the way they feel about blacks. If it is not safe, white racial resentments will take the form of conventional Republican complaints about big government, high taxes, freedom, the Constitution, and so on, and these resentments will be harnessed by Republican efforts to make the corporations stronger, and the rich richer.

    • John Smith

      And the very rich actually seem to support democrats and corporations are one of the biggest contributors to American social and moral decay, being among the major supporters of “diversity” intitiatives for ethnic and sexual minorities and gender equality, even when it makes no sense. P&G, among many other, comes to mind.

      • JohnEngelman

        When Bill Clinton proposed raising the top tax rate every Republican voted against it. What matters is not who supports the Republican Party. What matters is what the Republican Party does.

  • Reynardine

    Actually I think you bring up an excellent point. What are the circumstances in which I would be willing to pay more taxes? I suppose the more the government agrees with my own personal positions, and if said needs could be filled economically and promptly by the government without loss of liberty in other ways, I would be willing to pay more taxes.

    Republicans really do like to spend money on the U.S. Military, while laudable on a national defence level, is pretty pointless since it’s mainly used to thug out on middle eastern nations who hurt Israel’s feelings. I would feel so much better if those resources were going towards protecting the border.

  • JohnEngelman

    My response to Tracy Abel’s essay “The Wages of Idealism” is admittedly complex. Tracy Abel wrote about her experiences working for an organization called “Safe Horizon.” This is a day care center for victims of domestic violence.

    Safe Horizon reminds me superficially of the Community for Creative Non Violence in Washington, DC. I have not had any association with CCNV since the early 1970’s. Back then CCNV was, if you can imagine such a thing, a Roman Catholic urban commune loosely affiliated with the University of George Washington and the University of Georgetown, and engaged in anti war activism.

    I met members of CCNV at a coffee house I patronized. On Sundays they would hold folk masses at their headquarters. These would be followed by a pot luck supper. I frequently attended these. The only members of CCNV who were sexually intimate were married to each other. I briefly dated a woman I met there. We never touched each other.

    Since the end of the War in Vietnam the Community for Creative Non Violence has become involved with helping homeless people and with homeless advocacy.

    I mention this because Tracy Abel did not like the people she worked with at Safe Horizon. She did not like the people they helped. I wonder how people who remembered her at Safe Horizon would describe her. I wonder how she would describe the Community for Creative Non Violence.

    Statistics are important. How we look at individuals, organizations, and groups of people is influenced by what we look with. Our feelings influence our reality perceptions.

  • fartun dore

    What a waste of ink and pages. Somebody thought it was a good idea to
    write a book just to justify racism and hatred. I´ve seen whites who´re
    as intelligent as my dead cat, and I don´t go around, calling all whites STUPID. Oh, and don´t forget the serial killers, the
    pedophiles, the school shooters, etc who are 99% white. You´re telling
    yourselves lies if you think you´re better than anyone else. As far as technology goes, there are some places in the world where people have no computers or even electricity and they´re more happy and content than those in Europe or America, and guess what? They don´t use drugs or take antidepressants just to face another day, nor do they commit suicide, which is what whites do more than any other race.

    I see all the rejects of the society come to this place….LMBAO!!! Hate to crash your little party here, but I figured it was time for some hard reality. Disclosure: I am 100% pure black.

    • JohnEngelman

      What a waste of ink and pages. Somebody thought it was a good idea to
      write a book just to justify racism and hatred.

      – fartum dore

      If blacks behaved and performed as well on the average as whites there would be little racism and hatred. Some whites would still dislike blacks because they look different from whites. These would be very few.

      • See The Future

        Blacks are their own worst enemy.

        White people unfortunately are way too benevolent. But that is about to change.

    • JohnEngelman

      As far as technology goes, there are some places in the world where people have no computers or even electricity and they´re more happy and content than those in Europe or America.

      – fartum dore

      If this is true, why do so many people in those “places in the world” try to move to Europe, or the United States? Why do so few people in Europe want to move to their countries?

      • fartun dore

        Those who want to move to Europe or the USA are fleeing civil wars, and they don´t move only to these continents, they also go to neighboring countries for sanctuary. Is that so hard to understand?
        I don´t think people choose to move to Europe or America just because of technology. Those who manage to come here are often shocked with the amount of hate and discrimination they experience. If America and Europe were such paradise, their own people would be happy with their lives, but we know that is not so.

        • JohnEngelman

          When we consider the civil wars in Africa there seems to be a lot of “hate and discrimination” there against people of other tribal groups.

          Third world people in America and Europe who feel hated and discriminated against are not being kept here against their will. They are free to leave. Quite a few of us wish they would.

          One of the reasons many whites in America and Europe are not as happy as we could be is the social problems, especially crime, that are caused by third world peoples. We think we would be better off if those people would go somewhere else and take their problems with them.

          • fartun dore

            Fortunately, haters are NOT the majority in those continents, and the good, decent people of Europe and the USA welcome these people. So, what few losers who think the world owes them something think is rather irrelevant.

            But nice to see haters blaming everything thats wrong with their miserable lives on people from developing countries. Easy way out rather than having to admit your failures in life. Oh! I have an idea.If any of you are unhappy, you can always commit suicide, after all, that´s what whites do when they can´t handle life despite claiming “civilization” Deep down, you´re worse than animals! BTW, When are you people going back to Europe, because everyone knows you stole America from the Native Indians….LOL.

          • JohnEngelman

            It is not a matter of hate. It is a matter of recognizing the truth about racial differences. That truth has political implications.

        • See The Future

          They come for the free lunch and to take over starting a new cycle of ghetto creation.

    • freddy_hills

      “don´t forget the serial killers, the pedophiles, the school shooters, etc who are 99% white

      Whites are under represented and blacks over represented in all of those crimes.

      White’s are 70% of the population and 34.2% of serial killers.
      Blacks are 13% of the population and 56.2% of serial killers.
      Source: Radford University Serial Killer Database

      Whites are 70% of the population and 59.4% of child molesters
      Blacks are 13% of the population and 20.7% of child molesters
      Source: Bureau of Justice Statistics. Recidivism of Child Molesters Released from Prison in 1994. Calculated from data in Table 2.

      Whites are 70% of the population and 65% of mass shooters
      Blacks are 13% of the population and 14% of mass shooters
      Source: US Mass Shootings, 1982-2012: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation. I personally looked up every one of those shooters and calculated percentages.

  • fartun dore

    Shame they didn´t know what two-faced,racist snake you´re.

  • See The Future

    Why has he not been relieved of his position and promoted on Oprah and CNN?

  • See The Future

    The black has not evolved and retains physical advantages that white’s have lost in favor of intellect.

  • See The Future

    Survival of the fittest is natural law.

  • See The Future

    Masterpiece!

  • Ace

    Would that there were that natural corrective.

    However, you overlook the Liberal Prime Directive — say and do whatever idiotic stuff you want whenever you want but never, ever, ever wander out of the white neighborhood in which you live.

  • Ace

    But in the 21st century the one Dem president hasn’t had a clue how to manage the economy. His war on coal and oil and fracking on public land is a hint about his agenda.

    Oh, and any job growth recently under Obama? The jobs went to illegals.

    • JohnEngelman

      Obama has been a disappointment to me. Nevertheless, the Republican Party only cares about rich people. I am not rich. Even if I was, I would rather be a Georgetown elitist than a country club Republican.

      I would get bored listening to the country club Republicans talking about their golf scores while sitting at the country club bar. I would rather listen to Georgetown elitists discussing what is playing at the Kennedy Center.

      • Ace

        It is amazing to me that your would adopt such a limited belief that the Reps. only care about rich people.

        ALL politicians care about rich people because it is the rich who are making donations. Solyndra execs received millions from Obama and returned thousands to him. Do you think they are “poor”? Soros donates billions. Do you think Dems don’t dance to his tune? The Sierra Club took $101 million from David Gelbaum and his condition was that they not oppose immigration. Result: end of Sierra Club opposition to immigration. Did you perhaps fail to notice that the Sierra Club is a leftist outfit that is the darling of the Democrats, and vice versa?

        Nancy Pelosi (millionaire) and her husband (millionaire) moved one of their factories to Guam so that they don’t have to pay their workers minimum wage. Is that what you call looking out for the little guy?

        Our current Golfer-in-Chief is You Know Who and, last I heard, he wasn’t a rich, greedy Republican.

        It’s really sad that you think generic human traits are distributed according to party preference. Why not take the view that the desire for power is a trait that is common to all humans? That only Democrats are altruistic is absurd. Just as is the notion that Republicans are.

        The effect of policies is what matters. By that measure, the compassionate Lyndon Johnson and his congressional pals were “compassionate” Dems but the welfare dependency they created has done more to harm black people than 10 regiments of Republican golfers.

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