Diversity—by Judge’s Order

Stanley Hornbeck, American Renaissance, November 29, 2013

Legal teams must match clients by race and sex.

Support for diversity has been a familiar feature of the legal industry. Generally liberal and always image-conscious, law firms have long practiced affirmative action. Every year, events such as the Legal Inclusiveness & Diversity Summit and the New York City Bar Association’s Annual Diversity Conference—to name just a few—hand out awards to the most aggressive firms in diversity-hiring.

It is less known, however, that federal judges themselves can impose racial quotas on law firms that represent clients in class action suits. These are suits in which there are multiple complainants, treated together as a class, who are usually suing companies for providing faulty goods or services. In cases of this kind, judges may issue so-called “diversity orders” to require the lawyers representing the class be diverse enough to “effectively represent” the members of the class. These orders, which require race and/or sex matching between class plaintiffs and plaintiff counsel, have apparently been met with few complaints by the firms that are forced to rearrange their litigation teams.

A 2007 diversity order issued in class action proceedings involving a clothing company stated that because “the proposed class includes thousands of participants, both male and female, arguably from diverse backgrounds . . . [it is] therefore important to all concerned that there is evidence of diversity, in terms of race and gender, in the class counsel.” The judge ordered that both co-lead counsel firms “make every effort to assign . . . at least one minority lawyer and one woman lawyer . . . .” Because this was a private, civil matter, it has not been publicly disclosed whether the firms complied with the order, but lawyers almost invariably do what judges tell them to do.

In another case, U.S. District Judge Cathy Seibel of White Plains, New York, recently instructed plaintiff firms applying for lead counsel roles in a class action suit against Bayer AG to consider adding female lawyers to their teams.

The legal justification for these orders relies on a highly strained reading of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which govern the way counsel is appointed in class action cases. In 2003, following criticism that lawyers were putting their interests above those of their class-member clients, the rules were amended to grant judges more power to approve and regulate class counsel.

Under the amendments, law firms were to be approved according to four factors having to do with such things as experience and resources that affect a firm’s ability to represent clients. A fifth factor was added, allowing a judge to consider “any other matter pertinent to counsel’s ability to fairly and adequately represent the interests of the class.” This does not specifically mention race or sex, and whether it can be read that broadly is highly questionable. But such a reading means that any ideological federal judge can issue an order on the makeup of a legal team.

Diversity orders could be very burdensome. Blacks and Hispanics are 4.8 percent and 3.7 percent of licensed attorneys, but are 13 percent and 16 percent of the population. If these orders become the norm, law firms would have no choice but to hire by quota. Women are 30 percent of licensed attorneys—a four-fold increase since 1980—but this is not enough to meet strict diversity orders either.

Just last week the Supreme Court refused to consider a legal challenge to diversity orders. By refusing to take up the case, it implicitly approved the practice, which means it could spread to other kinds of lawsuits. The case was Martin v Blessing, which was about a diversity order issued by Manhattan U.S. District Court Judge Harold Baer. The appeal originated from a 2010 class action suit against satellite radio broadcaster, Sirius XM Radio. According to the class complaint, the company, then called Sirius Satellite Radio, broke antitrust laws when it raised fees on its subscribers following the 2008 takeover of its only industry rival, XM Satellite Holdings. In addition to objecting to an “inadequate” settlement and an “unreasonable” lawyers’ fee award (plaintiffs got a 5-month price-freeze on their subscriptions, while the lawyers got $13 million in fees), class members also objected to the diversity order. Judge Baer required that counsel “ensure that the lawyers staffed on the case fairly reflect the class composition in terms of relevant race and gender metrics.” The firm, Grant & Eisenhofer PA, no doubt mindful of the windfall fees such suits often produce, complied with the order and dutifully tailored its counsel to achieve Judge Baer’s racial matching objectives.

In the petition to the Supreme Court, class member Nicholas Martin asked that only the diversity order be considered. He argued that it violated the Equal Protection part of the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause by failing to offer any evidence that racial matching could benefit a class’s representation.

On appeal before the Second Circuit, a three-judge panel declined to rule on the diversity order, finding that the class members lacked standing to sue (the court couldn’t find that Mr. Martin and the other class members actually suffered any harm because of the diversity order.) However, according to “friend of the court” briefs filed on behalf of class members by the Pacific Legal Foundation and the Center for Individual Rights, there is precedent in other circuit courts for standing to be granted to plaintiffs when they are “irrationally classified by the government on the basis of race” or when their “rights are affected by discrimination against third parties,” such as in cases of criminal defendants whose jurors are included or excluded because of race. In both kinds of cases, according to the briefs, contrary to what the Second Circuit has asserted, specific injury was not required for claimants to proceed.

The briefs in this case argue that because Judge Baer required class counsel to classify members—irrationally—by race in order to assign to them a proportionate number of non-white and female lawyers, any member of the class should have standing. As for the argument about third-party damage, any class member, they argue, should be able to mount a challenge because Judge Baer clearly ordered that discrimination be practiced against white male lawyers—even though those white male lawyers did not file their own complaint.

Typical of diversity-proponents, Judge Baer, who frequently issues diversity orders, neglected to explain what benefits could possibly flow from forcing law firms to choose attorneys whose races match those of the class. He also failed to cite any statutory law or case precedent to support his order. He explained only that law firms are “behind where they should be.”

There have been racial preferences in law school admissions since the 1978 Bakke ruling, but apparently this hasn’t produced enough non-white lawyers for Judge Baer. In any case, rules on ethics and professional responsibility already require that lawyers take clients as they come, and that all clients’ interests be zealously represented. A vague complaint about law firms being “behind” does not meet the exacting standards of reasoning normally required by courts of law.

In Grutter v Bollinger, which affirmed the use of racial preferences in higher education, the justification offered by Justice Sandra Day O’Connor in her controlling opinion likewise made no sense. She said law school admissions could take a “holistic view” of student applications, which could include race as a factor, but that administrators must be sure not to treat race as a determining factor. It is nearly impossible to show how such a vague standard has been violated.

Justice O’Connor also wrote that a university’s goal of achieving a “critical mass” of racial minorities was permissible, but using racial quotas was not—as if it were possible to distinguish between the two. These inexplicable standards used to justify diversity by the courts seem intended to allow ideological judges–as well as university administrators–to bypass true constitutional scrutiny and to practice racial preference policies by stealth.

Interestingly, both Judge Baer and former Justice O’Connor appear to be text-book WASPs. Judge Baer is an 80-year old veteran and a graduate of Yale Law School–not some radical upstart or minority with a chip on his shoulder. He seems to find no irony in trying to remedy past discrimination—if that is even the basis of his order—by mandating discrimination against white men. By working against his own group interests, he is an example of what a “good” education and life in the elite class do to group instincts.

If the Martin petition had been granted Supreme Court review and had resulted in a ban on diversity orders, firms could have gone back to picking lawyers by ability. That would obviously be in their interests, but plaintiff firms have put up with diversity orders for years without objecting to them. Mr. Martin was represented by a nonprofit public-interest law firm, the Center for Class Action Fairness. The only organizations filing friend-of-the-court briefs on the class’s behalf were other nonprofits, not private law firms.

The 2003 amendments of the class counsel certification rules were intended to protect class members, but it’s unclear how attorney-client racial matching achieves this. If it could be shown that lawyers and clients of different races have a problem communicating, wouldn’t lawyers of different races have the same problem among themselves? Judges who issue diversity orders are clearly motivated by social engineering rather than justice. The Supreme Court’s failure even to consider a ban diversity orders means they will only become more common.

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Stanley Hornbeck
Mr. Hornbeck is studying law at an East Coast law school.
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  • Black clients must have black lawyers.

    This is one form of affirmative action I can support.

    • John_HD

      Just to be fair, I think they need black doctors, too.

      • Manaphy

        And Black husbands, wives, children friends, etc.

        • Before this gets away and my own world class sense of snark ruins the conversation, we should realize that this is only about class action lawsuits. So it’s basically affirmative action make work for black lawyers, the ones we found out in AR yesterday are going to no tell motel law “skooz.” The real legal work on the part of plaintiffs in class actions that tells the tale of whether the suit wins or not will be done by competent white lawyers. It’s just that they will for outward appearances have a few AA tokens on the team, who of course will be able to split the legal fees per capita should the suit win.

          This isn’t about criminal cases. First off, in most cases, the criminal defense attorneys in a criminal case are irrelevant anyway, it’s up to the prosecutor to sell twelve people unanimously beyond a reasonable doubt. Second, almost all criminal cases are disposed in a plea deal, so the defense lawyer in that case, i.e. most cases, is just a fancy wheeler dealer with the DA’s office. And third, as racially sensitive as we are officially, (not any of us, I’m just talking in general), there’s no way that the system is going to force saintly black criminal defendants to have incompetent AA black defense attorneys, because of this fiction that has developed (mainly because of TV and movies) that good defense attorneys are somehow singlehandedly able to help their clients beat the rap, and sometimes incompetent counsel is used as grounds for appeal of a conviction.

          • emiledurk16

            insightful

          • Anon

            Sounds like an extremely minor punishment for those white lawyers.

            Under the roman empire, anyone who accepted money for legal counsel was punished with death.

            With good reason it seems.

          • haroldcrews

            The reason is that the Empire did not want talented men well versed in the law represented those whom it may have been persecuting.

      • Spartacus

        Yes please. The more black doctors, the higher the death toll .

        • Homo_Occidentalis

          A veritable death sentence…

        • CoweringCoward

          Yes BUT Oooga Booga care is going to MANDATE that we patronize them. (as no white doctors will remain in both practice and in America)

        • stewball

          Really sparky. You made me laugh.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            He has a great (very mean) sense of humor, but I think he immediately thumbs you down every time you “reach out” to him, ha ha…

            I may not agree with him on all issues, just most. Humor, even mean humor, is a sign of intelligence. Can’t help but like the kid and respect his unrelenting meanness. We Whites need more of that, though I’d prefer to edit the anti-Jew stuff.

            Regardless, Sparty and I stand in the same phalanx. You should probably keep me between you and him, though, should you choose to join…

          • stewball

            No. Sparky makes me laugh. His un-understandable hatred is incomprehensible but so we go.
            Yes please. I would like you to stand between us.
            You’re very kind. 😉

          • NeanderthalDNA

            “You’re very kind. ;-)”

            Shhh…

            Just chivalry fair Rebecca. Evil Southern White man here, most evilest of all. Round here at least. Not unlike you Jews in your neighborhood, eh?

          • stewball

            I’ve just ‘uped’ ‘upt’ you one on arrow going up

          • NeanderthalDNA

            That should help your pathetic comment to response ratio which was limping along at an anaemic .49, at which rate you’ll never even win an argument/debate/exchange with anyone here, even Engleman (WEAK 2.something).

            But as long as you don’t get moderated any attention is good attention, you know? I’m wondering if my cool new avatar will affect my ratio.

            I do need to factor in raw volume of commentary and apply it as a multiple, however, since some schleppo who posted 100 times and got lucky with some rah rah claptrap or provacateur crappola does not outrank a long-term, steady poster.

            Plus Engleman HAS to get some kind of multiple based on his published article.

          • stewball

            I just ‘uped’ ‘upt’ you one with arrow going north.

        • Guest

          THE FIRST PERSON TO DO AN OPEN HEART SURGERY WAS BLK

          • Spartacus

            Actually, no. That was Henry Dalton:

            http://en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Henry_Dalton

            The groid you’re referring to, Daniel Hale Williams, was the second.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            You are correct, sir. Yet another example of “blackwashing” of history.

            “You whities ain’t so smart. See? We invented open heart surgery!”

            “No, darky – you’re an ignoramus or a liar. You didn’t REALLY do that either.”

            “Yooz beez rayciss!”

            Oh you don’t know the half of it, darky…

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Well, yeah and no…

            From Wiki…

            “The earliest operations on the pericardium (the sac that surrounds the heart) took place in the 19th century and were performed by Francisco Romero,[9] Dominique Jean Larrey, Henry Dalton andDaniel Hale Williams.[10] The first surgery on the heart itself was performed by Norwegian surgeon Axel Cappelen on 4 September 1895 at Rikshospitalet in Kristiania, now Oslo. He ligated a bleeding coronary artery in a 24 year old man who had been stabbed in the left axillae and was in deep shock upon arrival. Access was through a left thoracotomy. The patient awoke and seemed fine for 24 hours, but became ill with increasing temperature and he ultimately died from what the post mortem proved to be mediastinitis on the third postoperative day.[11][12] The first successful surgery of the heart, performed without any complications, was by Dr. Ludwig Rehn of Frankfurt, Germany, who repaired a stab wound to the right ventricle on September 7, 1896.[13][14]”

            The Black history month says Williams was the first, but a little research shows this statement is inaccurate. It’s a bit more complicated. Williams was apparently a good surgeon, and looking at his picture…well he looks White…

          • stewball

            Those letters were the letters starting my dad’s licence plate.

        • gemjunior

          I didn’t know any black doctors personally but I knew a black nurse and he was investigated since something was always going wrong with his patients. It turned out that he wasn’t giving any meds – for years. He just didn’t feel like it so he was just tossing them in the garbage. Someone just saw unopened medicine in his trash pail one time too often. That would just never occur to me. I guess it’s ingrained in some people that the job is what you’re paid for and so that is what ya DO. I’m aware that some white nurses have given lethal doses of stuff to kill patients, but I just never saw anyone shrug and stand there – saying to me “I don’t get it why you are always running around all the time. Sit down for a minute. Yes, I was actually doing the work so it took me longer

    • JohnEngelman

      After they are found guilty and sent to prison I want them to have white prison guards.

      I also want them to have whites on the jury who have been victims of black criminals.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Well, they got their black prezzy. Of course so do we…

    • CoweringCoward

      Tis the nullifying black juries that cause the problem. Blacks are doing their level best to nullify CIVILIZATION!

  • TheCogitator

    People with Down’s syndrome are also a percentage of the class. Is it than expected that some of the lawyers would also have Down’s syndrome?

    Where will this insanity stop?

    • Spartacus

      What about midgets? Or left-handed people ? What about retards ? Or people who are all three of those things ? Why don’t they get any fair representation ?

      • stewball

        A lot of little people are lawyers themselves sparks my old pal. Lol.

    • KingKenton

      Where will this insanity stop?

      I’m afraid it won’t. Now I know why some peoples of the Old Testament were declared reprobate and wiped out. Robert Bork wrote a book some number of years ago which was titled, ‘Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline’. We’re well on our way.

  • JohnEngelman

    Those who advocate affirmative action explicitly deny the existence of innate racial differences in intelligence, while implicitly believing that they will always exist.

  • emiledurk16

    Saw the title…..pretty much know the contents…..but just don’t have the stomach read it.

    • Spartacus

      Then don’t . There’s other things you could be reading.

      • emiledurk16

        Prof. Pierce will never be forgotten in my home as he opened my eyes many years ago.

  • Andrew

    I’d preferably want a lawyer with an Italian last name.

    • emiledurk16

      Me too Andrew, but if one’s back is against the wall the firm of Rabinowitz, Rabinowitz and Rabinowitz might be the way to go.
      Just a little levity in an otherwise gloomy picture.

      • Andrew

        Maybe I should take they bar.

        • stewball

          Good idea.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Nice “All in the Family” shout out there.

        If only Archie Bunker and Uncle Ruckus could have met…

      • stewball

        You go for the Rabinowitzes. Right on!

  • Funruffian

    Judge Harold Baer has a face only a mother could love. Just take one look at that guy and ask yourself if he looks honest and trustworthy.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Looks like Brother Theodore (Theodore Gottlieb). Old stand-up and David Letterman foil. Also buddy and chess partner of Einstein.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Brother Theodore practicing his profession.

        • stewball

          We can’t all be beautiful.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Brother Theodore was a “hoot” as we say down South. Escaped Nazi Germany, came to the States, puttered around in Hollywood for years, ended up doing a disturbingly hilarious stand up comedy routine in his autumn (er, winter) years in New York City. Appeared as a frequent guest star on the David Letterman Show where he would pretend to get riled by Letterman. His act consisted of bizarre philosophical rants delivered in almost Hitlerian style.

            Find him on Youtube for some chuckles if you like weird, edgy humor. Impossible to truly explain. Passed away a few years ago but worked up until his death. RIP Brother Theodore. Funny guy.

            How you doing, Stewie?

          • stewball

            Can’t complain. How’s yourself? 🙂

          • NeanderthalDNA

            OK. Day off, recovering and avoiding doing stuff.

            Some guy here a accused me of voting for myself, so make sure to vote for my comment – up or down does not matter, it counts the same.

            As of now I have 1550 comments with 8862 votes (again undifferentiated by yea or nay) for a comment to vote ratio of 5.72. The person who accused me of self voting has 781 comments for 2931 votes for a ratio of 3.75 comments to votes.

            Looks like I win, unless some significant percentage of my votes come from myself.

            How’s the weather in Israel?

          • stewball

            Bloody hot damn it. Yesterday I had to put the AC on. They say rain. I’ll believe it when I see it. Ridiculous. I love knowing what you lot eat on thanksgiving.
            Right. I’m off to do you s favour. Mad. I must be mad. 😉

          • NeanderthalDNA

            If we weren’t all crazy we would go insane.

            Weather’s been fantabulous here. Cool, crisp evenings, warm but non-sweaty days.

            I gorged myself on Thanksgiving but recovered after a nap and a couple of epic and brutal “downloads”. Great tradition.

            Sunlight’s less now, so kind of getting seasonal depression, but at least I’m not sweating through a South Carolina Summer. Humidity.

            It’s funny looking at the comments/votes thing. Some folk play well to the crowd, others, like Engleman, get mixed attention, which is better than none I suppose. My 5.72 rating was not so bad. Trying to figure how to rate all posters based on combination of efficacy and volume. Day off, you know?

          • stewball

            It’s cooler today and we even had some rain. I’m in bed with my two babies – kitties – and getting ready to read for the rest of the evening. I should really be thinking of sleep. Actually I’m dropping off while I’m talking to you. So goodnight honey.

          • stewball

            Tell me what you gorged on at thanksgivin. I love knowing what you people eat on that day.

    • stewball

      Do any lawyers/judges?

    • Brian

      I thought Medusa was killed by Perseus? Does she still have a living sister who’s turned Judge Baer and John Kerry to stone?

  • [Guest]

    I’ll state the obvious, which is rarely uttered anywhere but in places such as American Renaissance: These various “diversity orders” and the fanaticism concerning “race and gender metrics” amount to a war on white men and the wonderful cultures and societies created, built, and maintained by white people.

    >>>Interestingly, both Judge Baer and former Justice O’Connor appear to be text-book WASPs.

    The list of white enemies of white people is disgustingly long.

    • watling

      I suspect that when minorities become the majority diversity will be quietly discarded. The West’s descent into its own cesspit will follow shortly afterwards.

      • [Guest]

        I suspect that you’re right. But tell the average white American that and he’d either remain silent or scream “Racist!” and “White supremacist!” at you. It seems that only white people lack a sense of racial identity and inclination toward racial self-preservation.

        • Anna Tree

          There is a great amren article about pathological altruism. Here is a summary:

          From Pathological Altruism, by Barbara Oakley et al.:

          “PA is generally defined as a sincere attempt to help others that
          instead harms others or oneself, and is “an unhealthy focus on others to the detriment of one’s own needs.”

          “PA is likely when people “falsely believe that they caused the
          other’s problems, or falsely believe that they have the means to relieve the person of suffering.”

          “the false belief that one’s own success, happiness, or well-being is a source of unhappiness for others.” PA “often involves
          self-righteousness” and can result in “impulsive and ineffective efforts to equalize or level the playing field.”

          “glorifying altruism is both recent and Western.” “a society must
          have a certain level of material wealth before it can value certain
          kinds of altruism.” “only Europeans have decided “to elevate altruism above other culturally promoted ideals, such as tribal patriotism and glory-at-arms, which our ancestors considered paramount.” They have gone even further, extending tribal altruism to the entire world, though “some other cultures consider this Western quality to border on madness.”

          But the whites who say it is madness are accused of racism… They are told that “Humanity as a whole might benefit the most if individuals made no sacrifices for their local group.”

          Seems the whites are the only race who don’t know about the
          prisoner’s dilemma! They cooperate! But all the other groups don’t. Check that game theory: we lost, they win.

          Again from that book “if groups want to act altruistically towards other groups they should at least look for groups that follow the same rules.”

  • Nice Guy

    May Judge Baer be visited by diversity soon!

  • NoMosqueHere

    Class actions are a legal anomaly of sorts. They are almost always lawyer driven and devised. Judge Baer is a bad judge from the perspective of plaintiffs lawyers. He is suspect of almost every class case, so he tries to stick it to them. Perhaps he thinks plaintiffs firms will suffer from hiring more blacks, who knows.

    • What I’m about to say, I’m saying it as someone who thinks that all football from Pee Wee to the NFL needs to take a season off for Sandusky penance and so we can get it out in the open all the crime, debauchery and idiocy we tolerate in the name of that sport.

      But the growing chorus of the dangers of football, concussions, CTE and so on? I sense a cabal of class action and other trial lawyers moving in for the kill. Of course, they won’t kill football, just like they didn’t kill the tobacco industry, because they know not to kill the golden goose. But the class action and trial lawyer vultures associated with a certain political party whose name starts with D sees the NFL and its franchises and owners sitting on boat loads of money, and want some of it.

      • Rhialto

        Do liability lawyers dream of asbestos sheep?

        • NoMosqueHere

          I hope whites will watch less spectator sports and focus their attention on the immigration crisis which is destroying the white race in the US. But most white guys are hopelessly addicted to sports.

  • sbuffalonative

    The logo for the Center for Legal Inclusiveness is telling. In the foreground is a large, dark block. As it goes up, it gets lighter and the blocks get smaller until the white blocks disappear into the background.

  • Anon

    If you have a business and you insist on doing it anonymously, only accepting bitcoins and you simply ignore all these laws and ignore courts, indeed no one even knows who you are, has no ability to log your transactions and has no idea what money you have since you don’t use a bank or any other normal government institution, then what exactly can these jackasses do about your “lack of diversity” or anything else for that matter.

    Now, extend that a bit. Instead of being Joe Schmoe with your small business, you are Ed “The Razor” Vanbillionbucks. You have ten million dollars and decide you’d like a trillion dollars, only that’s not going to happen with all these pesky liberals mucking things up. So, you invent your own version of bitcoin. You bribe high level CEO’s of various megacorporations to essentially do business off the books. You bribe politicians to do whatever you want. Anyone who doesn’t cooperate ends up wearing a pair of cement shoes. The common man doesn’t say anything because, well, the only good jobs in our economy come from you and your cohorts. Various law enforcement that trace back your activities end up in a hostile third world country where, you not only own the police, you hire private military contractors armed with heavy weapons.

    You gobble up all those vulnerable companies that obey these stupid laws and replace politicians who don’t do what you want with those that do.

    Welcome to the future. Already happening. You know its complete when the US dollar exhibits zimbabwe style hyperinflation but it doesn’t matter because nobody uses that as money anymore.

    • stewball

      What’s a bitcoin?

  • Jack Burton

    Judged purely on IQ and performance, White males win over White females, on average and especially at extreme IQs where males far outnumber females.

    The disparity between Whites and blacks and mestizos is well known and extreme, so no point in discussing that.

    Wait, where are all of the genius Asians? We keep hearing how smart they are. That’s right, White males, particular those of Northern European and Ashkenazi ancestry, have higher verbal IQs, which is what the profession needs.

    Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome, that’s what libs refuse to accept.

    Just look at the Zimmerman case. Trayvon’s team, blacks and women. Zimmerman’s team, two White males. Listening to both sides Zimmerman’s team was by far smarter. Had Zimmerman had a diverse team he would probably be in prison right now.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Yeah there IS a raw average difference and men win, but it’s very small. There are more male geniuses than women but there are also more male tardites than female.

      Not surprising, whatever feminism may want you cannot unravel eons of evolution with a couple or three generations of propaganda and ideology. Women tend to be stabilizing influences on men, traditionally and naturally serve as the real anchor of (K style) family life.

      I believe that in a TRUE meritocracy some women would become executives, presidents, rocket scientists, astronauts, multiple martial arts champions…even generals, whatever…but…

      The majority would gravitate naturally toward a more domestic, traditional role, prefer their mate to earn more thereby allowing her to spend more time raising children (at which she is better, more able to multitask, detail oriented).

      Certainly there would be exceptions to the rule and that would be fine. Some men may be better at running a home than their women and some women better at earning a living than their men…and so what?

      But this psuedo-Marxist liblefty human meat grinder system of ours brooks no subtlety. Percent goes in, equal percent must come out! So decrees Democratic Totalitarian ideology!

      • Jack Burton

        Most of what you say is irrelevant. The context of this discussion is regarding imposing feminism and quotas for hiring women regardless of merit.

        The point is when talking about merit and the best person for the job, there will always be a disparity between men and women, with men being far more valuable and deserving of positions, in some cases exclusively.

        A female martial arts champion is a stupid example, as women only compete with women. There would never be a female martial arts champion when competing with men. Men have a physical and hormonal advantage that technique cannot overcome.

        Female generals? That’s absurd. You’re going into liberal fantasy land now.

        Upvoting your own comments means nothing.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          “Most of what you say is irrelevant. The context of this discussion is regarding imposing feminism and quotas for hiring women regardless of merit.”

          Irrelevant? It’s completely relevant. To paraphrase I said that yes, according to what I have seen there is a small average difference in IQ between men and women, also that there is greater range in men’s IQ meaning that there are more male geniuses retards than female.

          Irrelevant? I also went on to point out the kind of role women serve in general – a stabilizing role. I also stated that in a true meritocracy.

          You obviously have an axe to grind and are ignorant of how the voting on comments works. You cannot vote your own comments up.

          I do not come here to argue with you but if you do want to argue for argument’s sake pay closer attention and try to come up with something better. Unless that’s the best you got in which case don’t talk to me, OK and I’ll extend yo the same courtesy from now on?

          • Jack Burton

            You’ve made no argument, you merely enjoy being contrary and nonsensical.

          • stewball

            He is not nonsensical.

          • Jack Burton

            You have a comprehension problem.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          “Upvoting your own comments means nothing.”

          Unless you sign out and then come back as a “guest” and then vote for yourself, the first “Guest” vote is ALWAYS Jared Taylor himself, by the way. You didn’t know that?

          Trust me, Jack. I may be a liar, but I’m not a cheat.

          • Jack Burton

            LOL, always? Yeah right. You think he has nothing better to do that than read the comments here. I doubt he reads it much at all.

            You just admitted to being a liar, so why should anyone trust you.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Unlike you, sir, I’m so honest I admit to being a liar.

            OK, I get it. You don’t appreciate my sense of humor. Have a nice day.

          • stewball

            So many conversations get wiped off here.

        • stewball

          Men are only excepted over women because she leaves to have his baby or most women would out men the men.

          • Jack Burton

            You’re obviously not that bright and your perception of reality is flawed.

            You’ll make good cannon fodder when the revolution comes.

          • Anna Tree

            I think women evolved differently than men: their activities were
            different so it seems to me logic that their bodies through natural
            selection evolved differently! It is naive for me to think that women
            are different in the outside but the same than men in the inside.

            Not only because of the difference in body size but also in the difference of use. A man’s heart is 25% bigger, because it pumps blood in general in longer distance than a woman’s heart and thus, for any given work rate, the faster heart rate means that most women will become fatigued sooner than men. Women have less bone mass than men, but their pelvic structure is wider. This difference gives men an advantage in running efficiency. Men have 50% greater total muscle mass, based on weight, than do women and a woman who is the same size as her male counterpart is generally only 80% as strong.

            So men usually have an advantage in strength, speed, and power over women. No surprise, men hunted and were hunted while the women stayed in the cave or camp whatever and gathered berries and roots or tend to the children and therefore not only the body developed differently but brains did too, Edward O. Wilson, of Harvard University, said that human females tend to
            be higher than males in empathy, verbal skills, social skills and
            security-seeking, among other things, while men tend to be higher in independence, dominance, spatial and mathematical skills, rank-related aggression, and other characteristics. Please websearch Renato Sabbatini “Are There Differences between the Brains of Males and Females?” and articles on Richard Lynn’s studies in BBC and dailymail websites.

            These days, new testing has been done by Flynn and he claims that women have closed the gap and even inched ahead in this battle of the intelligent sexes. I didn’t read his book but there is at least one problem: most “men” and “women” tested were between the ages of 15 and 18!!! (he collected data from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Estonia and Argentina on scores on a standard IQ test, called the Raven test. Each country tested at least 500 men and 500 women). “In all of those samples, women are the equal of men, perhaps scoring a half point or a point higher,” Flynn said.
            In my opinion, 15 to 18 is too young for testing the genders, especially as boys/young men mature later than girls/young women.

          • Jack Burton

            Let me give you some advice, stewie, because you’re obviously extremely clueless. Women don’t like submissive men, despite your sycophantic attempts to curry favor.

          • stewball

            Ummm from whom am I trying to curry favour? After being on this earth for 70 years I think I’m hardly clueless.
            I don’t like submissive men or bullies either which I imagine you are.
            So just push off JJackie.

          • stewball

            Oh I forgot. Who am I being servile to? Zayin face.

        • Anna Tree

          Great rebuttal in an interesting conversation except your last sentence, I would have thumb you up without it. From then, the discussion between you two went bad 🙁 . Not trying to stir nothing, I like both of you as commentators and we are on the same team: like tlk244182 said about Catholics and Protestants in Lee Rigby;s thread yesterday : “After we’ve beaten the cult of diversity, and the rest of our enemies, then and only then may we safely conduct internecine warfare. We must unite against our common enemies first.”

          • Jack Burton

            You sound very nit-picky, typical of female aggression.

            I couldn’t care less what you thumb up. Truth is not a popularity contest.

            I wouldn’t necessarily say we’re on the same team, but we do have at least some similar interests.

          • Anna Tree

            I am nit-picky, I don’t think because I am a female, but maybe you’re right. Seems you like nit-picking too!

            I don’t thumb up for popularity but to show agreement.

            True, I don’t really know what is your team as I didn’t read many/most/all your comments. Silly me, I though it was white race realism and the establishment of white homelands.

            Oh well, I wish you and your dears, a Happy New Year!

          • Jack Burton

            No, I’m not nit-picky. Nit-picky is being concerned with trivial details. Such as you not liking my last sentence, or using your vote as leverage. It’s meaningless and petty.

            This is typical of cunty women, who lack intelligence and are unable to logically win arguments.

          • Anna Tree

            Have a nice day, Jack!

    • ricpic

      Had Zimmerman had a diverse team he would probably be in prison right now.

      That same fact of white male superiority (on average) applies to a class of people bringing a class action suit. They too would likely be better off represented by white male counsel than with AA black male counsel or even white female counsel. So by what right does a judge impose inferior counsel on the very people who have the most to gain if they are represented optimally by white males and the most to lose if represented ineptly by AA black males or white/black females? Last I heard the gubmint doesn’t own the law firms hired by a class to bring the class’s suit. Whatever a judge’s politics can he legally disqualify counsel simply because counsel consists of, let’s say, four white males?

  • White Dragon

    White nations need White only citizens, too.

    • stewball

      Most blacks want lawyers of my persuasion. Has anybody noticed this?I ewonder why!!!!

  • haroldcrews

    As far as the ratios of minority attorneys as compared to the population of attorneys as a whole it ought to be kept in mind that minority attorneys are disproportionately employed by the government as compared to White attorneys. Therefore in reality the numbers of minority attorneys available to work for firms representing plaintiffs in class action lawsuits are significantly lower than the numbers cited above.

  • David Ashton

    “Everyone has the right to peaceful assembly and association” (UN Declaration of Human Rights, 1948).

    • stewball

      Lol David lol!

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Sally Strothers was hot in her prime…

  • stewball

    Of course it is!!!!!

  • stewball

    Neanderthal. How am I supposed to answer you if you’ve silenced me and why!

    • Anna Tree

      If I may, I think in Disqus after a number of original replies (I think 4) to one specific comment, the thread is closed by Disqus. English is not my mother tongue so it is hard for me to explain, just to be sure you understand me: I mean a comment can have many replies. One of those replies, can have many replies too. That third generation reply, can have many replies as well but I think that those replies can’t have more replies. It happened to me too and to others I presume. So if you want to say something to NeanderthalDNA, find a previous post of his you can answer to in that specific thread, so he will get a notice through Disqus, I am not sure he will read this comment of yours I am responding to, as he won’t get a notice for it.