How Did Blonde Whites Arrive in Peru Before Columbus?

Ulli Kulke, Die Welt, August 5, 2013

[Editor’s Note: The following is a translation from the original German.]

Those in search of the legacy of the Celts naturally travel to sites in Germany, France, and other countries of Western Europe to find the remnants of settlements, burial grounds, and fortifications. They can now go to South America, to the eastern edge of the Andes, to admire buildings and other cultural achievements of that early European people and their descendants—all from a time many centuries before the first crossing by Christopher Columbus. Celts, in fact, arrived long before Columbus in the New World, together with Carthaginians.

That is the claim now being made by cultural scientist and documentary filmmaker Hans Giffhorn. In his view, there is reliable evidence that the Chachapoya mountain people who were living in eastern Peru at the time of the arrival of the Spaniards in the 16th century, and whose numerous descendants still live there, were closely related to the Celts.

Ever since the first conquistadors, the Chachapoya, because of their appearance—white, red-haired and some with freckles—as well as their lifestyle, have been a big mystery for anthropologists. Now Giffhorn, in his book Was America Discovered in Antiquity? Carthaginians, Celts and the Mystery of the Chachapoya (“Wurde Amerika in der Antike entdeckt? Karthager, Kelten und das Rätsel der Chachapoya”), has come closer to providing an answer, particularly because he is supported by genetic analysis that traces hereditary relationships.

Chachapoya

Chachapoya

Celts came from Mallorca

The audacious thesis of the book is this: At the beginning of the second century BC, after the destruction of their capital, a large number of Carthaginians feared that the Romans wanted to finish them off. They escaped, deliberately seeking a new home in another part of the world, as far as possible from their enemies. To this end, they allied themselves with the Celts, probably from Mallorca, who had often served them as mercenaries.

Various books on pre-Columbian transatlantic contacts now fill entire book shelves. Sculptures with negroid features are cited as evidence, as are world maps that include South America from a time before the area was discovered; reports from the Middle Ages of trips to large, exotic islands and lands in the far west of the Atlantic; very old archaeological discoveries of metals that do not exist in America; ten-thousand-year-old skulls with features that do not correspond to those of Native Americans; and apparently ancient stone buildings built in a European-Romanesque style.

Giffhorn once considered all this implausible. He notes that his original interest in this research was to refute all these theories, and disprove early crossings—but then he encountered the Chachapoya.

On one point Giffhorn’s theory is supported by other theorists of early connections: The crossing was not impossible in ancient times, at least not for the Carthaginians, who were a Phoenician sea-going people. Long before Christ, Phoenicians reached the Gulf of Guinea, and in all probability circumnavigated the Dark Continent 500 years before Chris—at least as reported by the Greek historian Herodotus.

Peruvians call them “Gringuitos”

Then as now, when ships venture too far off the West African coast—as Giffhorn thinks the Carthaginians did for fear of the Romans—currents and winds drive them almost inevitably toward South America. Some narrations of journeys from the early days of discovery confirm this.

According to Giffhorn it was at first by chance—he was a documentary filmmaker in search of a species of extinct Hummingbird—that he encountered the descendants of the Chachapoya in Peru, and after many discussions with archaeologists and other historians there, learned the history of this nation. Today, Peruvians call the Chachapoya descendants “Gringuitos.”

"Gringuita"

“Gringuita”

The Chachapoya culture—characterized by its stately stone buildings—developed approximately between 100 and 400 AD, according to scientific dating methods, long before the Inca made similar achievements. Nowhere, however, is there, as one would normally expect, remnants of preceding cultures. It seems as if the Chachapoya appeared from nowhere. Around this time in history, in the area north and south of the mouth of the Amazon, there suddenly emerged a previously unexplained culture. Ceramics give evidence for this, as does evidence of cremation, which was unknown in all of Latin America, but known in Europe.

For Giffhorn, the most likely explanation is this: In the second century BC, a large fleet of hundreds of Carthaginians and Celts drifted to the area around the mouth of the Amazon. There, they found no area to settle suitable to their accustomed manner of living. For example, there were no rocks to build their usual homes. Also, having found the Amazon River, they probably hoped to find a more suitable climate further upstream.

Round stone buildings, holes in skulls

Gradually, probably over a period of several hundred years, they migrated 5,000 kilometers up the Amazon, to the subsequent settlement area of the Chachapoya. Nowhere along the way were they able to settle for long, because—as the first Spaniards were told—the migrants always came into conflict with belligerent, hostile Amazonian peoples.

A number of parallels presented themselves to Giffhorn during his research. The massive stone rotundas, built without cement, resemble the buildings of the Celts on Mallorca. The type of slingshots they used, as described by the Spanish chroniclers of the conquistador era, resemble weapons that were once used on that Mediterranean island.

The practice of “trepanation,” and the arrangement of holes drilled in the skull by the Chachapoya for brain surgery are unknown to medical historians in the rest of Latin America, but arguably were known by the Celts in Europe. Their manner of mummification in turn showed significant similarities to that of the Phoenicians.

The most important evidence was found by genetic analysis of Chachapoya descendants. A molecular genetic research laboratory in Rotterdam reported that European blood is clearly detectable in this Andean nation. It appears that male Europeans bred with Indian women a long time ago.

The great fear of the Old World

What is not clearly verifiable is when the European line arrived. However, the very specific “variability of mitochondrial DNA,” considered in light of the life and migrations of the Chachapoya during the last 400 years, most likely suggests to Giffhorn, “that the encounters between Indian women and European immigrants, the male Gringuito-ancestors, took place in pre-Columbian times.”

Giffhorn complains that his research—as well as that of all others who pursue pre-Columbian contacts—is met with great resistance in Latin America. There are significant fears in scientific and cultural circles that Europeans want to attribute ancient American civilizations to roots in the Old World. This is a threat to the national identities of various Latin Americans, who were emancipated through liberation struggles in the early 19th century.

These reservations are shared by many historians in Europe, who therefore criticize his book, most without having read it. Nevertheless, Giffhorn is ready with his next project: a film about the Chachapoya for the Franco-German television channel Arte.

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  • White Mom in WDC

    History is always revised to suit the agenda of the political elite. I look at squatmonsters and other Latino members of the diversity cult and they don’t strike me as ‘pioneering types’. Instead, I perceive them as moochers and poachers. My perceptions fit the script presented here and not the narrative cranked out by the elite in this country to suit their agenda of displacing whites

    • http://www.paradisegone.com/ r j p

      Its a Wonderful Race:
      www(dot)tomatobubble(dot)com/wonderfulrace(dot)html

    • dmxinc

      Let’s say that it is possible that the Carthaginians were White maybe with many blondes. The Punic wars were a long time ago, so there is a chance.

      Now, note that when Hollywood was going to do a film on Hannibal, they wanted Denzel Washington to play the role. They look at North Africa today and try to make us believe it was always this way.

      • Le Fox

        Carthaginians were genetically similar to Southern Europeans.

      • Hypnotized Minds

        You won’t find a lot of “Denzels” even today in north Africa unless they are visiting to work. The Arabs have conquered North Africa, Berbers are simply the result of white/black/Arab mixture from the past. All of North Africa was once white Caucasian and known as Libya, then of course their’s Egypt who described the Libyans as white in depictions, and called them their cousins. The Egyptians were the result of a white elite class were males had many wives of different races. Captured Nubian tribes who the Egyptians once hated were eventually integrated making the average Egyptian biracial. Tribalism was more of the norm, not racism. Why else are all women who stayed home with the kids doing house work were depicted as a pale cream/yellow while then men were depicted as reddish/tan brown in skin complexion? They depicted themselves as having high narrow noses while depicting the Nubian’s Negroid nose very accurately. They have narrow jaws, with pointed chins unlike the Nubians. Mixed race, white fathers, over thrown by barbarians from neighboring territories. When Alexander the Great(a blonde haired/white man) arrived in Egypt the people cheered and claimed they will finally be ruled by a true Egyptian……

  • Spartacus

    “…particularly because he is supported by genetic analysis that traces hereditary relationships.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Genes don’t lie, and they’re usually irrefutable evidence. Therefore, one should expect the author of these findings to have a “mysterious” car accident soon.

    • Sick of it

      Cults of human sacrifice also fit with Phoenician culture as well as some Celtic cultures, but not so much with Indian tribes. Then there’s the whole pyramid thing.

      • Romulus

        Sure they did. Gibson’s movie apocalypto is accurate of the Maya.

        • Sick of it

          That’s what I’m talking about. Outside of the Maya and Aztec, there’s no evidence of such among the Indians. If Celto-Phoenicians influenced them on the other hand, things make more sense. I’ve read postulations about this for years, but haven’t seen much hard evidence.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Human sacrifice was also done by the Polynesians. Thor Heyerdahl’s Kon Tiki expeditions demonstrated that these people could easily have arrived to the Western Hemisphere as well. But I tend to think that the Mayans and Aztecs and their particular style of human sacrifice is peculiar to them alone. Perhaps more dna research will illustrate points of separation from the original Celtic influence as it was taken over and perverted by these non-Celtic tribes.

          • Sick of it

            That is another good point, considering the theories of Polynesian migration to the Americas. We need more information in general.

      • Kronolog

        The South and Central American human sacrifice wasn’t sacrifice as much as it was a pragmatic hunt for protein in the guise of religion.

  • Flytrap

    When it is definitively proven that Europeans were here before Asians, watching the grievance face that fact is going to be fun to watch.

  • dd121

    Europeans in Peru? Bet that doesn’t get much leftist press.

    • Jefferson

      Why would the left be shocked about European presence in Peru ? After all liberals keep labeling the Peruvian George Zimmerman as a “White” man.

  • haroldcrews

    Would there not be any remains from pre-Columbian eras that DNA testing could be performed upon? That would be conclusive proof of a European presence in the Western hemisphere prior to European exploration.

    • Sick of it

      Pre-Columbian Caucasoid skeletons have been found in North and South America. Ancient ones at that.

  • Spartacus

    Question: Is it possible that they’re much earlier arrivals? I’m thinking about the Solutrean hypothesis .

    • Sick of it

      Probably a different group, though the date of their arrival in the region cannot be fixed with certainty.

      • Romulus

        The supposed Negro features are most likely dark Maya that had sticks through their noses just like the yananmano Indians still do. It force flares the nostrils to the sides like Africans. Blacks will destroy our history and rewrite a new one to imagine their greatness. The proof is that their an epic fail as a race.

        • Sick of it

          Black greatness can be seen in all of its glory in modern Brazil – A nation of slums (outside the European areas).

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          Yet that epic failed race is supplanting ours. Not to glorify them, but to point out that we have so much work to do.

  • wilburnsprayberry

    Test post

    • Spartacus

      Afghans were actually White… They have tons of people there who are blonde or red-haired, with blue and green eyes . But most of them also have sub-continental and mongoloid blood in their veins.

      • wilburnsprayberry

        Note I said European features, not white. I understand most Afghans have some Caucasian blood, but the Hazaris (if I have the name right) claim to be descendants of Genghis Khan, and have a distinctly Mongol appearance. I believe there may be some truth to the claim that some Afghans are descended from the soldiers of Alexander, but I’m not sure how strongly this affects their appearance after so long a time.
        I have not seen any photos of Afghans who are blonde, at least not blondy blonde. Dark or dirty blonde? I don’t know. But if you can direct me to such pictures, I will take a look. Not sure about red hair. Blue or green eyes yes.

        • Spartacus

          They are clearly a (mostly) mongrel population, but the dominant genes are White ones. Take a look at this video :

          https://www(DOT)youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=N5nWYEIzsc4

          Some of them have bright-red hair .

          • Spartacus

            This is one of the pictures in the video, of an Afghan boy and his father :

          • Romulus

            Adham is what the land is called today. Following the point of divergence from the dark continent and the archeological evidence, white Europeans have been in that region of the world for a very ,very long time. Shave that guys beard and see if he is Afghan haji, or a “WHITE” man.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            He would be white.

          • Romulus

            Exactly! Remove the CULTURAL COSTUME and the DNA would be the same as the nomadic celts. The differences in culture , geographical resource endowment, and ideologies led to much of the intratribal warfare.

          • mendells-selection

            he looks like a young Harrison Ford

        • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

          I think the word you are looking for is “Hazara”, and they are Mongolic.

          • wilburnsprayberry

            Ach so. Thanks for that. BTW, has anyone seen that PBS documentary where an anthropologist (Jewish, I think), goes around the world, looking for genetic markers for the Lost Tribes of ancient Israel? He visited the Pathans (Pashtuns), the dominant people of Afghanistan to investigate their DNA. But I don’t recall what his findings were. ???

        • Sick of it

          Hazaras. Afghans have a tri-racial origin due to the many conquests and migrations in the area.

        • gemjunior

          I worked with an Afghan guy who was blond and blue eyed and his features were also normal for a European(in these pictures above of the Chachapoya children the coloring may have been European but the facial features were strongly Peruvian) rather than Middle Eastern, I mean somewhat bony with a kind of big nose. I think that the European Afghans are called Tajiks are light skinned compared to the darker skinned Afghans. The Hazaras are very oriental looking as descendents of Gengis Khan would be. The Tajiks consider them to be beneath them. Also, there is a small area of Afghanistan which borders China.

          • hastings88

            Tajiks are also mixed, possibly partly descended from the Tocharians (eastern Arians) and mixed with Mongoloids. Some individual Tajiks look more European, others more Mongoloid. A group picture of them will reveal the range. Their origin myth involves a Chinese Princess as the mother of their race, and that is symbolically true.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Hi old friend! You posted a post twice, and under the first time you posted it I agreed with you entirely, but since underneath your second time posting it, the conversation is meandering into Middle Eastern peoples, here I am going to have to diverge a little. There are actually lots of remnants of people all over the Middle East and Central Asia who have blue/green eyes, and sometimes blondish and red hair. I see photos of it all the time in various countries of those two regions, and have also seen it first hand. I think Indo-Europeans once being in the Middle East, Southern Asia, and Central Asia, is much more reliable and believable than the theory this article here is presenting. As I said in my first post, and in agreement with you, I think we like to take these theories too far about how whites started EVERY civilization in the world, but in regards to certain Middle Eastern civilizations, and perhaps even some of the Indian subcontinent ones, there is actually a lot of truth to it. Just wanted to share that. Hope you are doing well!

        • Le Fox

          Try the Kurdish people.

    • Sick of it

      It’s possible that these features have a more recent origin, which is why more research needs to be done in the area.

    • sbuffalonative

      Google: Chachapoya. There are many articles.

      The wikipedia article tries to tone down the claim that these people were “white” by modern race theory.

      These comments have led to claims, not supported by Cieza de León’s chronicle, that the Chachapoyas were blond-haired and European in appearance. The chronicle’s use of the term “white” here pre-dates its emergence as a racial classification. Another Spanish author, Pedro Pizarro, described all indigenous Peruvians as “white.” Although some authors have quoted Pizarro saying that Chachapoyas were blond, these authors do not quote him directly; instead they quote remarks attributed to him and others by Nazi race scientist Jacques de Mahieu in support of his thesis that Vikings had brought civilization to the Americas.

    • Romulus

      The blonde spaniards your referring to are descendants of the visigoths and Iberians. The Roger federer look didn’t arrive until Rome and again with the moors.

      • Sick of it

        Celto-Iberians and Goths, yep.

  • humura

    Recall the white man killed in the state of Washington? His skeleton was found and reported to the sheriff, who wondered about the bones of the white man, whose leg had been shot by an arrow. Sent to the scientists, and the bones were declared to be 9,000 years old, the oldest complete skeleton ever found in North America. Then the Amerindians demanded the bones – thanks to some anti-scientific law passed by the Democrat (hate science) Jimmy Carter. Scientists were allowed only some time (I think a year) to study the bones. Then Democrat President, anti-science Bill Clinton turned the bones over to the Amerindians, while he had the parks department destroy the site in which the bones were discovered. The bones of Kennewick man were originally seen as a white man, near the Pacific – not the Atlantic. Their age was about 9000 years. The scientific community then had to dance around the facts to place them in a politically correct coffin.
    The point – when scientific inquiry seems to counter the politically correct ideology, then the Democrats simply suppress science. Note all the US govt. grants to study racial differences in IQ, race and criminality, etc.! Liberals are anti-scientific when the results of science challenge their ideology.

    • wilburnsprayberry

      Yes, and maybe that will happen with the Chachapoya. But I’d like to see more evidence, all I’m sayin’.

      • humura

        I too would like to see more evidence. I too find the Amazon River trip improbable. But what was the map of S. America like 2 millennia ago? The Sahara was not always desert. Celts did get around. Recall the red haired mummies in the Gobi Desert in China, and the woman with the witches hat. And they wore plaids. One should consider all possibilities, including that they came to the New World via Asia. Surely the Phoenicians and Carthagians had writing. Did these Celts of Peru? Currently there is little evidence except their looks and DNA. More research might provide more answers.

    • Stentorian_Commentator

      You might be right, but I have read that Kennewick has been determined to be some sort of Polynesian. Still, the Solutrean hypothesis has a lot going for it.

      • Bossman

        Maybe Europeans themselves may have looked like that. Back then Europeans and East Asians had not fully differentiated from each other.

  • Romulus

    Red & blonde hair, ancient Phoenician ancestors ( from what is now known as Jordan), carthaginians are Phoenicians With a new name and location, mummification. You SEE where im going with this. Remember the zahi hawass documentary about Rameses DNA.

  • Anglokraut

    An absolutely fascinating hypothesis! As a history student, I’ve wondered before about what happened to the people of Carthage after its destruction. Textbooks don’t talk about it, and just say that the Romans plowed the earth with salt, and laid waste to the land. They couldn’t all have been killed.

    I’m not saying that I’m buying this hypothesis; I’m saying that I hope it can be studied further.

    • Sick of it

      Those who remained were taken as Roman slaves. No idea about any who may have left.

    • wilburnsprayberry

      Carthage had some colonies (small towns) along the Iberian coast. I don’t know if they received the same treatment as the mother city, but they could have been the sources of the “Carthagenian” participation in Han Giffhorn’s hypothetical adventure.

      • mendells-selection

        While the City of Carthage was destroyed, other Carthaginian towns nearby were left alone.

  • Bossman

    It is still a great mystery how and when the natives of the Americas arrived. A few years ago “National Geographic” magazine did a story on what European Neanderthal man looked like. What was surprising was that most of them looked like American Indians. Other people have suggested that European Cro-Magnon and Paleo-Indian man were the same kind of man. They used the same kind of tools.

  • BaronBaal

    Exactly. From what I have previously read, the Chachapoya faded into history not long after the arrival of the conquistadors as they were blended into the Inca empire. Whether completely true or not I don’t know but I’m 99.99% sure those photos above are fake.

  • BaronBaal

    The story goes that he’s got an Irish grandmother or something like that His siblings are all dark-skinned, from what I’ve read.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    From the pictures they seem to be albinos to me. Their facial features are mainly mongoloid. Perhaps a same kind of hype like the one about “white Indians” of Panama, who appeared to be albino Indians.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      I don’t agree that they look mongoloid, but like many Northern Europeans I have seen personally, either in the U.S. or in Northern Europe. I have never read any case of an “albino” Indian. If anyone thinks they have one, I’d like the source, please.

      • Franklin_Ryckaert

        I was referring to the Kuna people of South Panama and the adjacent region of Colombia, who have a high incidence of albinism. For information, go to the Wikipedia article : Kuna People, especially 8 Albinism. For pictures, Google : Kuna people albino.

    • Sick of it

      They are clearly a Caucasoid-Mongoloid mix. You can tell by meeting such people here in America (or Russia for that matter).

      • Franklin_Ryckaert

        Their faces look Incaoid to me. The “blondness” of that girl looks unnatural while both seem to have a pigmentation disturbance. Notice how the non-blond hair of that boy is kept hidden by the cut of the photo. I would take this only seriously if more convincing photos, by preference of groups, were shown.

  • Ella

    I don’t think scientist fully understand phenotype interactions yet. For example, I read that Vietnamese have a chance of producing a mutation for blue eyes, like .3%, without having any French/European ancestry. Since Asians and Whites made a split during Middle Eastern migration period, the genes may not be so different today. Also, red and blonde hair mutations occurred due to higher-altitudes (cold); however, not all people in those regions had those genetic mutations and still maintained brown hair or eyes.

    In my opinion, I think some tribes just walked, used animals,or made canoes for transportation who eventually travelled to foreign lands over generations. They left a “genetic” trail with them and probably bred with local tribes, so these random traits surface from time to time. If Indios can “walk” to Americas or Asia, why can’t the White man???

  • Romulus

    Excellent post. Correct on all counts. The reason I take issue with John E. is his unbridled support for all non whites while claiming to be not only nordic but realist as well. For example, he states that the Chinese on average have a higher IQ than whites, yet we know from DNA that the Phoenicians and Ramses are red headed whites and Egypt civilization is older than the Chinese. When we map first contact between the regions, that means the pyramids were built BEFORE their great wall. The megaliths in Britain were built 5000 yrs ago. In any society the intelligence is concentrated from a top down aspect. Architecture at the top, ditch diggers on the bottom. So, if our race began the project of civilization first, who is the smarter of the two? Even as the Mongol/Asian empires had a larger contiguous borders, there wasn’t much in them, excepting the Peking region. Egypt, Greece,Rome and Britain had far more contributions to the world.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    I agree. I have never gotten excited over the “March of the Titans” mentality anyways, where we try to claim that every civilization around the world was our doing. Most of the world’s ancient civilizations I wouldn’t want to claim anyways. Ancient Greece is impressive and distinctive enough to show our greatness. When we start bragging that our ancestors may have triggered the Aztec or Mayan culture, I think we are desperate and grasping at straws. Our race doesn’t have a need to do that anyways, so why do it?

    • Brian

      The researcher here is not going this far, to claim the Mayans and Aztecs for Europe. He’s just saying this one small group was part Euro.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I understand that. But what I was going into is where this sort of research often leads within this movement.

    • Sick of it

      The evidence showing such ancient migrations to the Americas was more of a surprise to me than something I looked for on my own. A surprise revealed in an Archaeology class.

    • wilburnsprayberry

      Greetings Courtney. You make a good point. Seems like some folks make too much about stories like this. I find them all interesting, but they don’t affect my overall view of my race or Western Civilization. “Our race doesn’t have a need to do that anyways…” — exactly.

  • WR_the_realist

    Just as in the study of IQ. There are people whose feelings are hurt if it is found that they belong to a group with a lower average IQ than some other group. So the research is taboo. Even White Nationalists’ feelings get hurt when told that some other groups have higher average IQs than their own.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    This is an oft reported story. But it has a number of explanations aside from the “Berbers were actually Celts” story. The main one is that we must remember that the Moors, specifically the Berbers were early and continuous slave raiders that frequented not only Italian and Spanish shores, but also Iceland. It is well known that the abduction and sexual enslavement of female whites went on right up to the 20th century. So even if Celts were Berbers, the origin of that dna is not and cannot be relied upon for the purposes of actual racial/ethnic identity of Berbers. The Phoenicians on the other hand are well known to be Semitic people. Also the origin of the word “barbarian” comes from two roots, “Berber” or “Barb” (same) and the suffix “arian,” which is means “one who believes or is.” That is from the actual man Arius of Alexandria who in the 4th century led the Gnostic movement. The Christian Arians were populous in Europe, especially Germany before Arius was poisoned by his Pauline rivals as he was being reinstated to the Council by Constantine (who was an Arian Christian as well (Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire). The 19th century race theorists confused this “Arian” past with the 19th century “discoveries” of the Aryan Persians that used a “swastika” as a sun symbol. Madame Blavatsky, the fraudster that began “Theosophy” in the 19th century by plagiarizing some ancient Tibetan texts and claiming to have wrote them via “automatic writing” did much to influence the spread of this false notion in Europe as well as America, where she lived in Illinois as a Russian immigrant.

    • M.

      “Berbers” comes from “barbarians”. The Romans called us that because we used to fight them all the time. Along with other Germanic tribes. And that’s how they used to call non-Romans in general.

      But that aside, but do have high concentrations of the europoid type in some Berber groups (especially the Kabyles in Algeria, and the Riffians in Morocco).
      And I don’t think those came from the Barbarys’ captured slaves. Mainly because the highest concentrations of blondism can be found among the ethnic Berber-speakers today, who remained more or less isolated during the whole Arab and Turkish invasions. They didn’t engage in the Moors’ wars; much less in slavery.
      Secondly, because the European slaves went to the rich folk: the Caliphs, and other Turkish rulers. Not to remote villagers.
      And finally because the slave markets were right at the coastal regions where the ships berthed (mostly in Algiers). And the coast-dwellers are Arabic-speakers.

      So I don’t know where the hell we came from. Or how. But there’s definitely an indigenous Aryan type in North Africa which was there way before the Arabs.
      http://upload.wikimedia. org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Map_pigmentation_in_Europe.png/783px-Map_pigmentation_in_Europe.png

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    From what I’ve learned about it, even the Chinese government has limited control over these factories which seem to be another sort of feudal state with a capitalist “warlords” at the helm. It appears to me that they are more like Britain, Continental Europe and the U.S. during the 19th century Industrial Revolutions before labor reforms took place. Karl Marx has to get a little credit for that, certainly. Ironic to me is that a “communist” system ends up being the worst extant example of capitalist inhumanity within it.

    I do think your ideas figure in here as well. I have long thought that the reason communism seemed to settle China, at least for the longest period since the advent of international intervention (19th century European colonialism), is because Confucianism is a deep-seated philosophical characteristic in the Chinese.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    It is always wise to be a skeptic, but not a frozen one.

    • wilburnsprayberry

      I have a wait and see attitude about these things.

  • Brian

    The Siberians who came across the Bering Strait only took 1000 years to migrate all the way down to Tierra del Fuego.

    • wilburnsprayberry

      According to Understanding Human History by Michael Hart, it took roughly 4,000 years from the time people first crossed the Bering Strait to reach Tierra del Fuego, p. 74. Hart isn’t a specialist in migration history but that sounds like what I’ve heard before.

      • Brian

        Hmm. I had always heard 1000 because of the pattern of animal extinctions moving southward, probably caused by human hunters arriving on the scene. But if I’m wrong, so be it. Sounds like an interesting book by Hart. I may have to check that out.

        • wilburnsprayberry

          Yeah, it’s an interesting question. Apparently there are several competing theories. One has a slow migration by foot and a faster migration by boats moving down the coast (west, I think). Maybe the boat migration is closer to 1,000.

  • Mergatroyd

    Wikipedia is an anti-white, biased source of disinformation.
    Nicholas Stix Uncensored: “World’s biggest encylopedia serves up propaganda”

    http://nicholasstixuncensored // blogspot // com/2012/03/american-renaissance-expose-on // html

    • wilburnsprayberry

      Yes, it is. I use it with that understanding. Still, it’s possible, using one’s own knowledge and judgement, to get valid information from it, sometimes.

  • Boris McGuffin

    Soultrain what?

  • Randall Ward

    In the middle ages, science was first developed in its present form. Science made huge strides in the middle ages. It was not the “dark age” as liberals want to claim. The libs resent the fact that the Catholic Church was the place where science was born and developed in the Middle Ages. The university was invented by the CC during the middle ages.
    You may be like me; I had to go back and unlearn the lib line I had been fed all my 68 years.

    • Bossman

      The “Dark Ages” were roughly between 500 A.D and a 1000 A.D. During the Dark Ages absolutely nothing happened; a time of darkness and superstition. The Middle Ages and the Dark Ages were two different time periods. So what ended the Dark Ages? It was travel to the Middle East and Asia during the Crusades and coming in contact with foreign peoples that expanded the world view of Europeans.

      • frederickdixon

        “During the Dark Ages absolutely nothing happened” What a blissful time that must have been! If, that is, you discount the coming of the Huns, Goths and Vandals, the fall of the Roman Empire in the West, the rise of barbarian kingdoms in its place, the beginnings of England and France, the rise of Islam and its conquest of the Near East, North Africa, Spain and Persia. Absolutely nothing?

        • Bossman

          Nothing of importance in Europe except for a lot of superstition. As for Islam, just more superstition. The only people who could read were monks and they only learned to read so that they could read the Bible and give sermons when they needed to.

      • Randall Ward

        Your history must come from the side of your Disney Land lunch bucket.

  • Romulus

    From the Greek word barberi… Meaning “those that don’t speak Greek

  • Romulus

    Since I’ve gone rounds with Engelman before over his love affair for the Chinese, I couldn’t muster the mental calm to give him a brief synopsis of ALL of their history. Liberal retards have selective memory loss , ALSO KNOWN AS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

  • Romulus

    Through personal research I’ve found that to be true as well. When it comes to the arch types of human races , little has been changed excepting admixtures over tens of millennia. We can easily see the difference from the original arch type reds and a haji admixture. The former have a more classic nordic profile. The latter with “hawk” nasal bridge, weak chin,small upper lip,protruding lower. Im sure you’ve seen this too. It is troubling to see groids migration to Glasgow, for example. Henceforth, Will the Scots be described as a mulatto admixture? Melancholy is only exceeded by my anger at such a notion.
    Im simply flabbergasted that the Swedes would give blanket refuge to a population that will inevitably pollute their gene pool. It is astounding given the available knowledge resources at ones disposal.
    It is incomprehensible that a nation would willingly commit cultural and ethnic suicide.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    Yes, and the Romans borrowed the term from the Greeks. Later on the Arabs used the term for non-Arabic speaking Muslims in Africa, originally for the whole of Africa, later on only for its North West. The Berbers call themselves Amazigh.

  • Bossman

    The natives of the Americas could be a root race or proto-Caucasians. In central Asia, that root race (their ancestors) got to be further differentiated into western Caucasians and East Asians.

    • Jefferson

      There is nothing proto-Caucasian about the Natives of the New World. But there is definitely an Asian connection to them. That is why many Amerindians look like they can pass for Southeast Asian like Cambodian or Filipino for example.

      I remember there used to being a Guatemalan Amerindian girl in my 12th grade who was constantly being mistaken for being Southeast Asian. She has had Filipino people come up to her and start speaking Tagalog to her because they assumed she was one of them.

      • Bossman

        Some look more Asian than others. But in general their eyes are less slanted, their faces less flat. Some tribes were very tall and the women very curvacious. Chinese and Filipino women turn me off completely.

        • Jefferson

          Amerindians are more genetically related to East Asians than they are to Caucasians. This is 100 percent fact. East Asians are the genetic cousins of New World Amerindians.

          • Bossman

            But they are sufficiently different from East Asians to consider themselves a separate people. All the natives of the Americas are of the same race. They all have blood type “O” whereas most East Asians are mostly of blood type “A.” Thor Heyerdahl made a voyage on a balsa raft to prove that Ancient Peruvians sailed to the Polynesian islands and therefore the two groups were related. It turned out to be a useless trip because genetic analysis proved him to be completely wrong.

          • Jefferson

            If they are sufficiently different than why do ALL racial anthropologists categorize the Natives of the Americas in the same Mongoloid category as East Asians ?

            I don’t know why racial anthropologist that says your people the Amerindians belong to the Caucasoid racial family.

            Amerindians from the New World have the same shape skulls as East Asians.

            The skull of an Aztec from Mexico for example is closer in shape to the skull of a Thai person than it is to the skull of a Swedish person. This is 100 percent FACT.

          • Bossman

            These “Squat Monsters” are a minority even in Latin America. You never see them on Latin American TV. These humble racial types doesn’t bother me one bit. I still prefer them to East Asians. I’ve also seen the results of crossing them with white people. The offspring of such unions are usually quite fine looking. Each to his own taste. I see that you only care for personal observation and have no respect for science, I hope that America remains America and never becomes a mere extension of East Asia.

          • Jefferson

            If Squat Monsters were a Minority in Latin America, why aren’t all Latin American countries 1st world countries ?

            The reason most Latin American countries are 3rd world countries is because Squat Monsters outnumber White people in most Latin American countries.

            Of course you prefer them over East Asians because Amerindians are your people so you are not going to throw them under the bus. You are just being racially tribal like most people in the world are. You are just looking out for your people.

            But it still does not change the fact that your people genetically are racially closer to Asians than to Caucasians.

            Amerindians are genetically racially closer to Jackie Chan than they are to Thomas Jefferson.

            That is why Amerindians all have black hair and dark brown eyes just like East Asians.

            There is zero hair and eye color diversity among Amerindians. Amerindians do not have the eye and hair color diversity of Caucasians.

            I have NEVER seen a Squat Monster with the same ocean blue eyes as Paul Newman for example.

          • Bossman

            This is a forum about blond Peruvians, how come you’ve no comments about that? Do you prefer East Asians? If you do, then you’re acknowledging that there is a difference between the two groups. I prefer native women to East Asians. East Asian women are dull and boring with no womanly curves.

          • Jefferson

            What percentage of the Squat Monster Amerindians illegally crossing the border into the U.S have blonde hair and blue eyes ?

          • Bossman

            Why don’t you stick to the topic? The article that I replied to was about blond Peruvians. You should stop worrying about so-called “Squat Monsters.” I’ve spent a lot of time in Miami and LA and I never saw any of these so-called Squat Monsters.

          • Bossman

            Paul Newman was half Jewish and he liked American Indians. So did Marlon Brando. So did John Wayne. Same goes for Clint Eastwood. Thomas Jefferson also liked American Indians very much. All of Marlon Brando’s wives and John Wayne’s wives were Hispanic or women who were part American Indian.

          • Jefferson

            Why is it that in all New World countries, Amerindians are the bottom of the financial ladder ? They are at the bottom of the food chain whether it is in Mexico, Brasil, The United States, or Peru for example.

            Amerindians as a race are way too financially poor. It must be due to their racial genes and low I.Q.

            If Amerindians were genetically racially close to Caucasians, Amerindians as a race would be a lot more successful in life.

          • Bossman

            Whoever said that they were close to Caucasians? They are closer to Caucasians than East Asians. You can go to Google and do some research on that subject.

          • Jefferson

            Amerindians belong to the Mongoloid race just like East Asians. So no Amerindians are not closer to Caucasians.

          • Bossman

            Since you care more for personal observations than real science, I say that American Indians are closer to Caucasians because their eyes are less slanted, their faces less flat. Some tribes are very tall. More important for me is that Native women have curves, East Asian women have none. Another very, very important thing is that Natives have been intermarrying with Europeans from day one. Whole nations in the Americas came about through those unions. The very big story of the Americas is the continuing intermingling of those two races. America at some distant date will be a Mestizo continent and it will continue to be the most attractive continent. All the hordes of Asia and Africa and the peoples of Europe will still want to come to America.

          • Jefferson

            According to the scientific 3 race theory, Amerindians do not belong to the Caucasoid race or the Negroid race, so what is left ? That is right, the Mongoloid race.

          • Bossman

            Okay so you’ve made your point. There are only three main racial divisions of mankind and American Indians come under the Asian grouping. But the important thing is that 20,000 years separate them from East Asians and they themselves don’t feel any connection to East Asia. America is their continent and they don’t recognize any other continent. The case is closed.

          • Jefferson

            Blondism is so rare among Amerindian Squat Monsters, that even Australian Aboriginals have a higher rate of blondism than Squat Monsters from the New World.

            If you go to Australian Aboriginal reservations, you can not go an entire day without seeing at least one or two blond haired children. The same can not be said about a Amerindian reservations in Mexico or Honduras for example.

  • Spartacus

    Afghanistan is not a White country, it’s a mongrel one, but many people look White, and odds are there are pockets of 100% pure Whites. I have a friend who served two tours in Afghanistan, and he told there are “Entire villages of Irish people in Helmand”, he called them so because almost everyone there had bright-red hair .

    • Jefferson

      So why do these “Irish people” in Afghanistan live in extreme 3rd world poverty ? Why can’t they use their high I.Q to improve their lot in life ?

      • Spartacus

        For the same reason Whites in Detroit can’t do much, I guess…

        • Jefferson

          These so-called “White people” in Afghanistan live in worst extreme poverty than American Bantus in the projects.

          And we all know poverty is tied to having a lower I.Q. The vast majority of poor people in the world do not have a high I.Q.

          What does that say about the I.Q of the so-called “White” people of Afghanistan ?

  • frederickdixon

    I believe that Homer in the Iliad tells of “Daedalus who wrought a dancing floor for the fair haired daughters of Libya” – Libya being both an indigenous North African goddess and the name which the Greeks gave to all of North Africa west of Egypt. The Libyans themselves were the people we now call Berbers and the Greeks probably had the word from the Egyptians who called the Berbers “Libu”.

  • Bossman

    Genetic analysis proved Thor Heyerdahl was completely wrong about this. His trip as far as science is concerned was completely useless.

  • Bossman

    European?? So when exactly did they become Arab?

  • Le Fox

    Islamic invasion.

  • M.

    I’m a Berber myself. A Kabyle more precisely, and you’d have a hard time distinguishing me from a Frenchman. A friend of mine who’s a purebred Berber is a redhead.
    However, not all Berbers are of Aryan descent. The europoid type is only concentrated in some groups, like the Kabyles (where I hail from), or among the Riffians in Morocco.
    The other indigenous North Africans are either of Semitic type or black-skinned, like in the Sahara. The rest are Arab.
    Of course, today the purebred europoid Berbers are rare. You’ll mostly find them in remote mountainous region.

    Maps like these are a good indicative as to where we’re concentrated in North Africa:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Map_pigmentation_in_Europe.png/783px-Map_pigmentation_in_Europe.png

  • Anglokraut

    Citation needed.

  • BenJarvis

    “civilization springs SOLELY from the white race… absent contact and influence by whites, other peoples quickly devolve… into… primitive states… who prefer to use mass human labor rather than machinery and technology.”

    ever heard of the dark ages?

  • i am the devil…..ihave come

    the blonde hair comes from melanesian aborigine types not white caucasoids, you people were living in caves eating raw meat at the time

  • Hypnotized Minds

    History and science has been hidden and manipulated due to the “white guilt” agenda, that by the way was created, used, and is empowered by white people. Appalachian folklore has been telling us for a long time about native whites in Appalachia. Ameri-Indian oral history already told us that another people described as being white Caucasians were here when they arrived. The science, and anthropology community along with the U.S. government is preventing this information to go mainstream and it’s really not to help or defend non-white peoples. The majority of the American population is white and racial divides, race based history lessons filled with evil white people, ETC is all used to guilt the majority of the U.S. population into Communism/Globalism. We ‘re very much needed, but we can’t know that!