Angry College Professor Claims Nobody Murdered by Stalin

American Thinker, November 26, 2012

Dan Haggerty is responsible for filming, questioning and confronting Dr. Furr in this video.

What you said is bulls**t! It’s wrong! It’s a lie! . . . But of all of the falsifications that go on in the school systems in this country—this world, Soviet history is falsified the most. I have spent many years researching this and similar questions that I have yet to find one crime—yet to find one crime—that Stalin committed. I know they all say he killed 20 or 30 or 40 million people. It’s bulls**t!

-Dr. Grover Furr, Montclair State University, October 25, 2012

Dr. Grover Furr is an English professor at Montclair State University. He is actively engaged in concealing the murder of 150 million citizens by Stalin and other communists. How an accessory to genocide like him is permitted to teach at any American University is evidence of the successful Marxist takeover of academia.

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  • Biff_Maliboo

    I’d like to hear him say the same thing about a certain other major player of the WW2 era and keep his job afterward.

    • Bill

      Wouldn’t happen. In point of fact, much of the leadership of the Soviet union including some of the most brutal mass murderers, were of that same tribe. The whole idea for Marxist revolution began with and was carried out by, men of that tribe. I have no idea, but one has to wonder if Furr is of that tribe.

      • The__Bobster

        He would’ve made a great NY Slimes reporter many decades ago. Might’ve even earned himself a Pulitzer for it.

      • David Ashton

        Many of the ablest critics of Stalin have been of that “tribe” – David Dallin, Boris Souvarine, Eugene Lyons, Isaac Don Levine, Arthur Koestler, Simon Sebag Montefiore, Max Beloff and (I guess without checking) Roy Medvedev, to name just a few.

        • HamletsGhost

          The ablest was Leon Trotsky. Doesn’t erase the fact that Trotsky was mostly responsible for creating the monster that devoured millions, and Trotsky himself in 1940.

          Of course, Trotsky was a member of the tribe.

          • David Ashton

            Trotsky made a major contribution to “communism and terrorism”, notably with the Red Army. Though self-conscious of his Jewish origin, he did not act for a Jewish ethnic group or religious interest as such. More “assimilationist” than “nationalist”, he was reportedly embarrassed by the high visibility of Jews in the secret-police. Of course, it could always be said that he was “typically Jewish” in this or that respect, and he still has a significant following among westerners of Jewish heritage. But in addition to his own writings and actions, it is useful to get a more balanced assessment from detailed biographical studies like Joseph Nedava’s “Trotsky and the Jews” (1972) and Bertram D. Wolfe’s “Three Who Made a Revolution” (1966).

      • Kronolog

        Well, for the first 20 years of the union’s existence, that is. After that most of them ended up in landfills or salt mines.

      • David Ashton

        The really interesting question is WHY Jews were disproportionately prominent in the Soviet revolution. “Antisemitic” explanations have not been advanced by provocative pogroms or fake quotations; see.e.g. my brief comment on “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” at the end of this “section”.

        “Jews accounted for 11 per cent of the Bolshevik delegates and 23 per cent of the Menshevik delegates at the 5th Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Party in 1907…. One Yiddish flysheet explicitly linked the struggle against Tsarism and capitalism with the struggle against antisemitism….
        “The 1920s were a good time for Soviet Jews, many of whom embraced the new political culture of the dictatorship of the proletariat. [By 1927] Jews accounted for 4.3 per

  • Dougie

    To say communists have murdered 150 million people is wild exaggeration in the opposite direction.

    • shaunantijihad

      They are including the communist revolutions in China, Vietnam and Korea, particularly China. The figure is accurate.

  • MekongDelta69

    Ahh – Grover’s back. Ain’t academia great?!
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2208

    • http://www.facebook.com/george.clark.7545 George Clark

      A black Ward Engel, wonder if this guy has been adopted by any Indian tribes.

    • fsagas

      Academia is great. Or could be if it wasn’t for such institutionalized liberalism.

  • handyandy2@optonline.net

    [Me thinks the professor dost protest too much]

  • Puggg

    Grover Furr….any relation to Walter Duranty?

  • JackKrak

    Well, just speaking for myself, I know when I want info on Stalin & WWII generally, I look for an English professor from Montclair State University….

    • Oil Can Harry

      Yup, he’s an English, not a history, professor.

      Still, I’d like to praise this zany crank. Why? Because Furr is right about one thing: he’s always been a critic of Afrocentrism, correctly calling it “racist…pseudoscience”.
      http://tinyurl.com/bn3xxg8

      There are dozens if not hundreds of American educators who know Afrocentrism is a crock but are too spineless to say so publicly. Let’s at least give Furr credit for speaking out.

  • Conan

    Grover Furr? Does he have a sister called Lucy?

  • JohnEngelman

    Dr. Grover Furr is an English professor at Montclair State University. He is actively engaged in concealing the murder of 150 million citizens by Stalin and other communists. How an accessory to genocide like him is permitted to teach at any American University is evidence of the successful Marxist takeover of academia.

    – American Thinker, November 26, 2012

    Actually it is evidence of academic freedom.

    Hardly anyone agrees with Dr. Grover Furr. Giving him any attention at all is a waste of ink and computer memory.

    • nathan wartooth

      There is no such thing as academic freedom.

      This guy wont be threatened or have government officials calling for his resignation.

      But if a professor talks about race and IQ, look out.

      I know you don’t believe in Cultural Marxism but this is a good example of it.

      • JohnEngelman

        Despite opposition professors Richard Herrnstein, Arthur Jensen, and J. Philippe Rushton kept their teaching positions.

        • Dazed

          That was many years ago. To put it in a modern context, a University Vice Chancellor I believe was fired for suggesting girls aren’t as good as boys at math. This kind of PC reaction is what you can expect to anything challenging mainstream leftist agendas of feminism and multiculturalism.

          • JohnEngelman

            That was Harvard President Dr. Lawrence Summers. He was forced to step down as President of Harvard. That was wrong. It would be wrong to fire Dr. Grover Furr.

          • http://profiles.google.com/jjames2176 Jesse James

            Dr Furr may be entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. Denying the mass violation of human rights that occurred during Stalin’s reign is an outright lie. The government of the former USSR has officially admitted as much and thrown their archives open to academics who have found and published plenty of evidence of mass executions and documented the slave labor system of the gulag that Solzhenitsyn wrote about. Academic freedom protects truth telling not historical fabrication. The problem is that the American educational establishment has outright lied and shaded the truth over so many issues in support of their progressive agenda that they are no longer capable of recognizing the truth.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not feel protective toward Dr. Furr, but I do not get upset about him. He is an obscure crank enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame. He should be ignored.

          • fsagas

            He may be a crank but his influence on the younger generation (i.e. school) cannot be ignored.

            This is how the “Right” lost because the “Left “recognized that if you can change the younger generation then you can change destiny. A the young become the new force of change.

            I don’t get upset either because I have balance in my life and I understand that things will enviably fail. I don’t believe in “Cultural Marxism,” however I do believe that institutionalized Liberalism in academia cannot be ignored.

            You vastly underestimate his influence.

          • fsagas

            Your egalitarian streak is noble. However, it fails when only when plays by the rules, while both preach it.

            All sides have ideological biases (including this sites).

            That goes without saying.

            The struggle continues as ideologies try to define reality for the common man.

            Idealist fail to reconcile this fact.

    • Luca

      The problem is, he is teaching or preaching this rubbish at every opportunity to impressionable young minds. Dr. Furr is a typical liberal, he reads selective books, regurgitates them and hawks that as teaching or learned opinion. Reminds me of Chomski; because he is well read and articulate he and his followers think that every thing coming out of his mouth is fact and truth. It has always amazed me that a person who reads a book and repeats it is perceived as a scholar. They’re nothing more than parrots.

    • The__Bobster

      Academic freedom only works in one direction.

    • Cesare

      There is no such thing as academic freedom in America John. If there truly were, then academia would be open to other views other than those of the Leftist kind.

      • JohnEngelman

        As I have already pointed out professors Richard Herrnstein, J. Philippe Rushton, and Arthur Jensen were able to teach at the university level until they died.

        There are some taboos against a genetic explanation of racial differences in crime and intelligence. There are none as far as economic policy is concerned.

        • Cesare

          “There are some taboos against a genetic explanation of racial differences in crime and intelligence.”

          You’ve proven my point. The fact that there are any taboos at all proves there is no freedom in academia.

          • fsagas

            You both are defining academic freedom differently.

            In Engleman’s terms, he is right. If there was no academic freedom such people would not be able to teach at all.

            In your (Cesare) terms, you are right. The magnitude of such freedom to speak as well as the receptiveness is short if not non existent.

            Both sides despise Academic Freedom but purport to love it in as far as when it benefits them.

    • David Ashton

      Holocaust denial, my friend? What does your favorite Nizkor think?

  • Eddie Willers

    Presumably, then, by Dr.Furr’s logic, Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago” is a work of pure fiction?

  • razorrare

    I would agree with Grover on one point he made– if he had inserted one word in his statement that “Soviet history is falsified the most,”…if not falsified the most it is certainly suppressed the most…Soviet jewish history is falsified the most.

  • Heinrich24

    I imagine a short…very short conversation with the God-only-knows how many living relatives of this mass murderer of his OWN PEOPLE, would leave this insane professor without much of an argument. For heavens’ sake, even Kruschev acknowledged Stalin’s bloodlust on various levels!

    • shawnmer

      I have a few friends who were citizens of the former Soviet Union I’d like to put this twit in a locked room with.

    • gemjunior

      Well I don’t know if they were his own people ‘cos they were mostly goyim, who are like cattle. If he thought of them as more than herds of cattle he might’ve had a less vicious perspective. I’m pretty sure that he believed they were dispensible because they were gentiles. I think it would be great to find some evidence of Stalin’s murders, such as mass graves in Russia, and throw him in there so he could come face to face with thousands, or maybe even millions, of femurs and mandibles, skulls, hands, feet, of all different sizes from newborns to elders. And leave him in the pit until he recants.

      • David Ashton

        Stalin was not Jewish and killed Jews as well as a wide variety of other groups.
        I do not see why if we have endless youth tours of refurbished Auschwitz, we cannot have tours of the ruins of camp sites of Kolyma, Vorkuta, Karaganda, &c.

        • gemjunior

          I read that there actually was suspicion especially among Jews themselves that Stalin was of Jewish descent. He also was married more than once to Jewish women, which shows a sympathy or kindred feeling towards them. You can’t marry three Jews and claim you are anti-semite without raising curiosity. He was also seen to have semitic/mongoloid features. In addition his surname was Dzhugashvili, or “son of the Jew.” So I don’t know if can be said that he was not Jewish, seems sort of possible.

          I think we should have tours of these sites as well as many lesser-known memorials of terrible things done to whites but that will not ever happen. Whites cannot ever be seen as having been collectively victimized even in cases when it’s impossible to deny it. If that happens, it will allow actual thinking – contemplation among people who never considered the great oppressors to be like every other group — having had a history like all other groups complete with times when they were driven and times when they were they were in the driver’s seat. In order to maintain the current narrative all across the nations that white people are the root of all evil, they need to be dehumanized as is being done right now with no possible way of ever being in a position where other groups can empathize with them. For example, the deliberate covering up of the anti-white murders in South Africa and the slow genocide of all of us. It’s a pretty successful prescription for our total disappearance if it continues without opposition. It must not. We are the seed that needs to grow in strength. Because of Jared Taylor and people like him, AmRen and sites like it, we are being reached (that’s how I was) and it is really terrifying the liberal elite mentals. Their next step will be to silence the internet, which will be much more difficult than they believe.

          • David Ashton

            Dzugashvili does not mean son of “the Jew” in Georgian. Stalin’s mother was a Georgian Christian. Stalin’s paternity remains a matter of some dispute, but none of the credible candidates was Jewish. He could have had some remote Tat ancestry, and in fact his “nationalities policy” may reflect consciousness of a very mixed genealogy, but Trotsky called him a Mingrelian. Other Bolshevik Gentiles married Jewesses (e.g. Molotov). What is the evidence that his first two wives were Jewish? Some doubt exists regarding his third alleged partnership with Rosa Kaganovich and even about her existence. Svetlana said her father could never have married a Jewish woman because of his antisemitism.

            I think it was Erik von Kuenhelt-Leddin who said that before 1941 Stalin had killed more Jews than Hitler, and it was certainly the Jewish anti-communist Eugene Lyons who wrote: “People who have survived both Nazi and Soviet concentration camps (and several of them have written their stories) reluctantly admit that the Soviet brand is more horrible.”

          • Michael_C_Scott

            I actually have Stalin’s book, “Marxism And The National Question”. He doesn’t come off as Jewish there.

          • David Ashton

            Agreed.

            There are those so enamored of the “Communism is Jewish” idea that they have produced ridiculous lists of post-Stalin Russian leaders disguised by pseudonyms including Yeltsin and Putin. Unfortunately I have mislaid three different, by no means consistent lists, but recall that Khrushchev was “really” Pearlmutter! (Surprised Mao’s chief aide was not “really” Jew En-lai.) More straightforward on this ticklish subject are historians like Albert Lindemann and Norman Cantor, both Jewish.

            An alternative theory to a Hebrew or Khazar Stalin is that he was politically (if not ethnically) a Great Russian “National Socialist” determined to eradicate Jewry from the Soviet sphere – two steps forward, one step back. Supportive details appear in Arkady Vaksberg, “Stalin Against the Jews” (1994), Gennadi Kostrychenko, “Out of the Red Shadows” (1995), and Arno Lustiger, “Stalin and the Jews” (2002).

            Professor Naimark states in “Stalin’s Genocides” (2010): “In June 1952 Stalin’s security agencies concocted a conspiracy of mostly Jewish Kremlin doctors…which may well have ended in the deportation to Siberia and the Far North of the Soviet Union’s entire Jewish population….it was most fortunate for the Jews of the Soviet Union that Stalin died in 1953….”(p.33). Other treatments are by Louis Rapoport, “Stalin’s War Against the Jews” (1990), Jonathan Brent & Vladimir Naumov, “Stalin’s Last Crime” (2003) and Alexander Rashin, “Why Didn’t Stalin Murder All the Jews” (2003). The last mentioned will interest those who not only wonder about the occult symbolism on cellar wall where Tsar Nicholas and his family were murdered, but the alleged connection between the feast of Purim and the execution of “ten sons of Haman” at Nuremberg and the death of Stalin seven years later.

            Jews clearly helped to end the “evil empire”, from their “prisoner of Zion” agitation onward, and there will always be simple souls who think the “tribe” that set it up were the only ones that could pull it down.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Er… Stalin was a gentile, too. Russian Orthodox, originally, and in fact he studied for the seminary when he was young.

  • You Are Now Enriched

    Arguing with a liberal professor is a racist construct.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-McConnell/563448640 Michael McConnell

    I’m sure he supports the lie that the US killed 70 million Native Americans. If communism is so wonderful, why doesn’t he move to one of these wonderful states? And why do they risk death to escape their hated nations.

    • JohnEngelman

      The Cold War is over Mike. Go to a department store and see where most of the produce is made.

      • David Ashton

        The cold war against the west is not over for the superannuated cultural Marxists with tenure in western universities. How much Chinese produce comes from their prison camps?

      • curri

        And WWII was over even before that-yet Hollywood, the universities and all the other components of the left are still fighting it. A check of Google News results (that’s *news* remember) today shows 63,000 results for Hitler.

  • cecilhenry

    Start with “The Gulag Archipelago” for some cold shower reality. That’s just the beginning.

  • David Ashton

    Has he published his research and answered the reference to Khrushchev’s speech?
    I would welcome a copy of it for my own work on “Lies and Legends of the Left”.

  • Cesare

    “I have spent many years researching this and similar questions that
    I have yet to find one crime—yet to find one crime—that Stalin
    committed.”

    This would be absolutely hilarious if it were not so scary. It’s absolutely scary that we have these Marxist morons teaching at all. And then you have young Whites who were never taught the skills of critical thinking and thinking for themselves soaking this tripe up. This is what hurts
    this nation, besides treasonous politicians. It’s academia more concerned with the Marxist ideology,Multiculturalism, and Diversity. Our universities are mere re-education camps that
    aren’t even really focused on teaching anymore. Meanwhile the Chinese laugh as they plot
    to become the next superpower. But that’s okay, we cannot have a university system that
    focuses on innovation and education at the expense of hurting some group or anothers
    feelings. There is and will never be any minority power in this nation. Everything they have
    achieved is due to White weakness and Marxist traitors.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Of course, the big problem is that Russian communists were also very nationalistic (as all Russians still are). The truth of it is that Eastern communism and Western communism have different causes and effects after periods of long political separation. It is true that Putin has tried to enforce some amount of “Diversity” but he is facing a huge uphill battle, but I think it is mostly political talk.

    • David Ashton

      Furr is no isolated crank. US “academics concerned with Marxism,Multiculturalism and Diversity” as in England and other countries. None so blind as those like Engelman who do not look.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    I guess all those millions of people who disappeared just decided to up and leave..walked off never to be found.

    There are people with an agenda who will LIE and poison young minds to coverup the most heinous atrocities no matter what the facts are to further their agenda and achieve their goals.

    Unfortunately, there are many such “Professors” – he is not an exception in our institutions of higher learning.

    I’m sure the New York Times would LOVE to print the good professor’s pro-Soviet stories — as they did Walter Duranty’s in the 30s.

    How long will you keep killing people? asked Lady Astor of Stalin in 1931.

    Replied Stalin: The process would continue as long as was necessary to establish a communist society.

    “A lie told often enough becomes the truth” – Vladimir Lenin

    Defund the bastards and give to Hillsdale College instead

    Bon

    • libertarian1234

      Bon, From the Land of Babble•

      “There are people with an agenda who will LIE and poison young minds to coverup the most heinous atrocities no matter what the facts are to further their agenda and achieve their goals.”

      Right on, Bon.

      And we’re witnessing that exact thing right now in the media to a great extent, most especially MSNBC.

      • Gracchus123

        “By any means necessary”.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Several million of the people who were made to disappear during Stalin’s Terror ended up being worked to death mining gold near where the Kolyma River empties into the Arctic Ocean.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      “A lie told often enough becomes the truth,” is true no matter what organization or group repeats whatever lie. It has worked throughout history and in particular in spreading Christianity.

      • David Ashton

        Jewish Communist writers have expressed a similar view of Christianity.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          So have non-Jewish communists, non-communists, capitalists and even some Christian theologians.

          • David Ashton

            It is not an opinion confined to pagans or neo-nazis.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Of course, the mechanism works for any lie. These days the lie is often a political one derived from lying about history, as in revisionism and completely Orwellian in nature.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    I wonder if the idiot could take time off from his blithering long enough to explain what happened to Marshal Tukhachevsky, creator of the Red Army’s tank force, if he was not in fact murdered by the NKVD at Stalin’s orders.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      There’s a great post-Soviet, Russian produced film (that earned an academy award for best foreign film) titled, “Burnt by the Sun.” It is the factual story of a top Soviet colonel and “Soviet Hero” and his family during Stalin’s purges of the 1930s. Excellent film if you can handle subtitles. Worth looking up.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Tukhachevsky’s wife and son were both also shot.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          This film is about Colonel Sergei Kotov.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WP6FBJWJYEU7S6TMNJS5D2BB5M Luis

    Leon Trotsky was assasinated by a Stalin agent named Ramon Mercado, in 1940. Mercado served 20 years in a Mexican prison.
    How does Furr-ball explain that?

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Lest anyone think that the murder of Trotsky was the work of a “lone nut”, Trotsky had already been tried in absentia and sentenced to death by a Soviet court in August 1936.

      Declassified archives have revealed that Mercader was an undercover NKVD agent. After his release from prison in Mexico in 1961, he was awarded the title “Hero of the Soviet Union”.

  • A. Windaus

    Lady Astor: “Mr. Stalin, how long are you going to continue killing people?”
    Joseph Stalin: “As long as it is necessary.”

  • Unperson

    Stalin never killed anybody? That would be news to Stalin.

    Either during or immediately following WWII, according to Winston Churchill’s memoirs, Churchill asked Stalin (through an interpreter) which had been more personally taxing for the Soviet strongman: fighting the Third Reich or his own domestic collectivization of agriculture (e.g. Ukrainian famine, etc). In a moment of candor, Stalin freely answered that the collectivization had been harder on him (and, by implication, on his people). Churchill claims Uncle Joe held up the fingers of both hands and said “ten.” Meaning 10 million dead. This figure is, of course, also in line with what modern “revisionist” historians estimate about that terrible period.

    So Prof. Furr’s estimate of zero is at least 10 million short of what Stalin himself freely admitted to.

    • David Ashton

      I wrote an extensive, annotated study of communist death-tolls some years ago for the Foreign Affairs Research Institute, subsequently used by Professor Rummel (Google him) and Prince Philip. I now think I exaggerated the actual number of camp deaths in the USSR, but I also think the received estimates of Nazi camp deaths are also exaggerated. Nevertheless, there were crimes in both cases on a considerable scale. It would be interesting to see how the learned professor came to the conclusion of Zero.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        The Nazis kept meticulous records including photos. In his book and on his website, Death By Government Professor Rummel has plenty of photo evidence of mass killings in Nanking, Nazi Germany, Rwanda, China, Turkey, Cambodia — but only one (that I could find) taken of Soviet atrocities.

        Professor Rummel writes about the Soviet death toll:

        …a range from an highly unlikely, low figure of 28,326,000 and an equally unlikely high of 126,891,000. This is a range of uncertainty in our democide estimates–an error range–of 97,808,000 human beings.

        Here are professor Rummels stats on 20th Century democide:

        61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
        35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
        20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
        10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

        Former spy and defector Vladimir Petrov stated the following about his work for the Soviets during the years 1936 to 1938:

        I handled hundreds of signals to all parts of the Soviet Union which were couched in the following form:

        To N.K.V.D., Frunze. You are charged with the task of exterminating 10,000 enemies of the people. Report results by signal.–Yezhov.’And in due course the reply would come back:In reply to yours of such-and-such date, the following enemies of the Soviet people have been shot.’

        See here: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

        Image: Here is shown a large pile of some of the 5,000,000 Ukrainians that Stalin murdered by starvation. For documentation, see Lethal Politics. Source: ‘Black Famine In Ukraine 1932-33: A Struggle For Existence’

        Bon

        • Michael_C_Scott

          You forgot Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge, which murdered about a fifth of Cambodia’s population, or a bit under two million people.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            I only posted part of Rummel’s list, here’s the rest:

            III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS

            8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan’s Savage Military
            9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
            10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey’s Genocidal Purges
            11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
            12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland’s Ethnic Cleansing
            13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
            14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito’s Slaughterhouse

            IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS

            15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
            16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
            17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

            when we are reproached with cruelty, we wonder how people can forget the most elementary Marxism.

            —- Lenin

            Bon

        • David Ashton

          This photo comes from a Quaker archive from famine at (I think from memory away from my files) at place called Buzulak. There are a small number of other Soviet famine, camp and atrocity even photos available, but is true that the western intellectuals and media, certainly not Hollywood, have shown little interest in them, or have automatically disbelieved their credibility.
          Rummel has been the most assiduous collector of democide reports and statistics, past and present. His numerous extrapolations from average guesstimates are not an ideal methodology; he has ignored some downward revisionism of Nazi and Soviet death-totals based on documentary analysis; and he has his libertarian-democracy ax to grind, but we are all nevertheless in his debt.

  • NM156

    Is Furr a Jewish name?

    • jeffaral

      Why are you asking the obvious???!!!

    • handyandy2@optonline.net

      Sir, I have no idea of whether or not Furr is Jewish or not, but I do know that 80-85% of the top echelon of commissars at the time of the Bolshevik Revolution were Jewish.

      • NM156

        Indeed, and that is why I asked.

      • David Ashton

        There have been subsequent attempts at different percentage analyses and challenges to the statistics offered by writers like Fr Denis Fahey. Jews were strongly represented among Mensheviks, Cadets and of course their own Bund. There are additional facts to consider such the Hungarian communist leadership and the American communist party.
        What matters most is to evaluate accurately the significance, causation and outcome of this phenomenon, particularly in relation to the problematic interaction between an ethocentric people for centuries without their own national state and the ethnic nationhood of other peoples, especially Christians, with whom they dwell. An international and migrant people will also have a bias towards political internationalism and multicultural migrations.

        A particularly useful summary of the data appears in Andre Gerrits’ “The Myth of Jewish Communism” (2009) which should not be disregarded because of its title.

  • s shadow

    I wonder what the Professor would have to say about Lazar Kaganovich “Butcher of the Ukraine”. He happily masterminded the brutal starvation murder of 7 million Kulaks. All their food was taken. Many were buried alive because it wasn’t feasible to wait for them to draw their last breath. A perusal of videos of that time will abundantly document the starving children and adults A particularly touching clip was of the little girl who reached over the cordon , in great hunger, for some wheat, who was summarily shot in the back. For the work of the Bolshevics and Kaganovich a case could be made for reparations of the few survivors and their descendants. Yes, it appears that the canonization of Stalin into sainthood is unsupported by the data. The cultural Marxists have dedicated themselves to turn everything on its head, in a bizarre effort to get the support of the proletariat. The sociopathic defense of Stalin by Prof Furr should gain him instant and absolute ostracism, and worse.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      This entire epic was due to the fact that Ukrainian farmers resisted collectivism. I’ve had a good number of Ukrainian patients who were not hesitant to speak of it. Also, Ukraine is divided between those who speak Russian and those who Speak Ukrainian. Ukraine is the former located (largely) of the Kingdom of Khazaria. The kingdom lasted until the Russians invaded and destroyed in during the 9-10 centuries. But the regional history is very much a mix of alliances, wars, and a resultant hot-bed of warring ethnic groups as recent history there illustrates well.

  • kjh64

    Yep, millions of people under Stalin’s regime just upped and decided to leave their families and jobs behind for the good life in a Siberian gulag.

  • Strider73

    Furr’s ranting is actually understandable — if one thinks like a leftist. To leftists, words mean whatever they want them to mean at any given moment — recall Clinton debating the meaning of “is.” Here the fungible word is “crime.” Since Stalin was the absolute ruler of the USSR, anything he did — including mass slaughter — was legal, and therefore not a crime. One could make the identical claim about Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot or any other blood-drenched despot — if one were a leftist, that is.

    Lest anyone believe such lunacy is confined to foreign megalomaniacs, recall Nixon informing David Frost that “it’s legal if the president of the United States does it.”

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Exactly right. Ideology. Ideology before Human Life.

      The Soviets had ABSOLUTE, uncompromising answers to everything — good and evil, peace and happiness, equality economics, politics, class struggle. They sought to demolish and then rebuilt all social institutions to create a Marxist utopia on earth.

      Anyone who stood in the way of the creation of this so-called “workers paradise” was to be eliminated, quickly, usually via a ten cent bullet in the back of the neck.

      Lenin wrote: The scientific concept of dictatorship means nothing else but this: power without limit, resting directly upon force, restrained by no laws, absolutely unrestricted by rules.

      62 million dead for an evil, unworkable ideology that completely ignored human nature. Bullets are cheap.

      Any of this sound familiar?

      Bon

  • Tim

    In Moscow, when you call information…. You better have some!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Francis-Miville/1330628616 Francis Miville

    Maybe America should consider outsourcing her Academia to non-PC countries such as Singapore, Thailand or Malaysia where it is perfectly permissible to state that Blacks are not biologically equipped to sustain an advanced civilization, and that less massacres would have ensued together with more technological progress had the Third Reich won WWII instead of Stalin. In the same way outsourcing of jobs occurred when socialist laws made industry impossible in the US proper.

  • curri

    Someone in Hollywood is finally making some sort of (minor) movie about the Holodomor:
    http://www.day.kiev.ua/239402

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

    Katyn Forest

  • John Bonham

    IT’S BULLS#!T !! And all the libtard seals clap .. YEA !!!!! smh .

  • http://www.facebook.com/ross.kardon Ross Kardon

    I am Jewish and my sister is married to a wonderful man who is of Ukrainian heritage. Grove Furr is just as evil and morally wrong to deny that Joseph Stalin was a mass murderer, as are those who deny the Nazi Holocaust.

    It is well known that the Third Reich National Socialists killed six million Jews and five million non-Jews.

    Unfortunately, it is very little known that in the 1930’s, Stalin and the Soviet Communist Socialists created an artifical famine that starved to death at least seven million, or more, Ukrainians.

    Many, but not all, of the former WW2 Nazis were tried and prosecuted for their crimes against humanity. The Federal Republic of Germany, both before and after the reunification, took responsibility for the Nazi era.

    Unfortunately, no one involved in carrying Stalin crimes against humanity, either before or after the fall of the Soviet Union, was ever prosecuted.

    During the Nazi era there good Germans like the Oster Conspiracy Conspiracy, Col Klaus von Staffenberg, and the White Rose resistance, who made failed efforts to try to stop Hitler.

    Besides Oskar Schindler, there were also good Germans who would do good things, like provide a Jew with false identity papers, to help escape detection.

    During the Soviet era, were there any Soviet citizens who tried to assassinate Stalin and overthrow the communist/socialist regime? During the 1930’s were there any good Russians, or other Soviet citizens, who tried to smuggle food and do other things to help at at least a few starving Ukrainians? That I will admit, I do not know.

    This all just goes to show that socialism, whether it was the National Socialism under Hitler, or was the Communist Socialism during the Soviet era is, an evil system. That is why I am a card-carrying Libertarian.

    The gulags went on even much longer than the Nazi concentration camps and murdered even more people. But no survivor of the gulags was ever given any kind monetary compensation, like what was done for Nazi Holocaust survivors.

    Ironically, it would make more sense for a billionaire like Donald Trump or Warrren Buffet to be a socialist, than for the average working person to so. Socialism is an evil system that pretends to be for a worker’s paradise, but it’s real purpose is to establish iron-clad dictatorship of the rich and powerful ruling elite. Then under a socialist system, the masses of workers are given an opium in form of constant propaganda, to deceive the workers into thinking they are the masters, when they really are the slaves. In other words, under a socialist system, this constant progaganda is given to the workers, to make them happy slaves of the rich and powerful ruling elite.

    In other words, socialism is a system that pretends to be Robin Hood, when it is really the Sheriif of Nottingham in disquise!

    • Johnson

      Sorry, but most of the holocaust was built up around lies and myths. Even the official and politically correct stats do not confirm the number you say here. They would have literally had to import Jews to exterminate them.

  • refocus

    I notice that the Professor got a hearty applause the first time he said the crime stories about Stalin were BS.

    It really is a serious matter before us.

  • crusader00

    This is unbelievable. At least most of the crowd was well-informed enough to heckle and boo the sovietard.

  • Frank

    I wonder where he studied this issue? Somewhere in Cc., no doubt. How does someone this out of touch keep his job?

  • Tom_in_Miami

    The following link will dispel any doubt about Stalin’s murderous regime: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/182346-1 There is a second part of this C-Span interview with Simon Sebag Montefiore, author of “Stalin: Court of the Red Tsar,” an intimate biography of possibly the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century. I highly recommend watching this interview and then reading the book.

    • David Ashton

      This brilliant writer was one of the “tribe” on whom exclusively some correspondents blame Stalinism, Maoism and the Khmer Rouge.

      • HamletsGhost

        Like this correspondent, some anti-semitic crank who went by the name of Winston Churchill:

        https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism

        • David Ashton

          This now well-known article seemed like good sense in 1920. It is cited by Jewish historians such as Martin Gilbert, “Churchill and the Jews” (2008), pp.38-44,307-8; Sharman Kadish, “Bolsheviks and British Jews” (1992),pp.135-141; Jerry Z. Muller, “Capitalism and the Jews” (2010), pp.138-9, &c.

          Churchill relied largely on Nesta Webster, the doyenne of 20th century conspiracy theory, whose pioneering work is nevertheless still worth perusal, despite its faults. All I wish to add on this here is that her former secretary Gittens told me personally quite unequivocally that she did NOT believe the “Protocols of Zion” were authentic.

          Since the last war there has been a broad, if incomplete, gradual shift in outlook among Jews away from communism and Marxism towards neo-conservatism and Zionism. Churchill would have shared their opposition, and mine, to Muslim immigration.

          • HamletsGhost

            The old bleat about the Protocols’ authenticity is a red herring. As Henry Ford said: “The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. They fit it now.”

            If you watch “Schindler’s List”, you notice that the main characters Schindler and Goeth, two Germans, speak to each other in English. Since this is clearly a ridiculous scene, I suppose that would make that movie a forgery.

            In Hollywood, they called it exposition, a way to get the audience to understand what is going on. The Protocols uses purported minutes of a secret meeting to help the reader understand the horror that was about to be unleashed on the world.

            If Webster was accurate in her predictions made almost a century ago, then she deserves the title of Prophetess, not a forgotten doyenne of conspiracy theory. Don’t expect an apology from the New York Times anytime soon.

            The Jews dropped communism like a worn-out tool after it had outlived its usefulness. Neo-conservatism is just the latest tool, and no less dangerous to the West.

          • David Ashton

            A belated rejoinder please – brief because these subjects are too huge, unwieldy and unsuitable for the AmRen mainstream.

            Since Norman Cohn’s “Warrant for Genocide” (1967) there has been a substantial literature on the Protocols which has supplemented or superseded his critique. This includes a documented revival of the explanation that it was forged in France by a Tsarist police asset, Mattvei Golovinski, who ended up as a Soviet employee. More important is the meticulous analysis of Ukrainian/Russian redaction of successive versions by Cesare G. de Michelis, “The Non-Existent Manuscript” (2004 ed) now essential for any comprehensive study.

            The Protocols are presented as a private lecture by a Jewish leader to a Jewish audience, but they do not read quite true in this respect; they are certainly not seamless. They do not translate a Hebrew or Yiddish idiom (a Latin saying even obtrudes). They do incorporate some Jewish and Masonic notions but in parody with a malignant spin. The plagiarisms from Maurice Joly on “governance technology” are not traceable to a known previous mutual source.

            It is curious that a supposedly genuine text should arrive intact, without the location, date and author also attached. None of the contradictory suggested attributions are convincing (least of all Asher Ginsberg or Theodor Herzl).

            The “uncanny note of prophecy” which “fits the facts”, most plausibly outlined in Kerry Bolton’s booklets, is mainly due to the correspondence with economic and cultural events towards the end of the 19th century, when both French and Russian Christian patriots opposed the unquestionable parliamentary and financial influence of Jews and Freemasons (like Adolphe Cremieux).

            The Protocols acquired widespread “credibility” because Jews supported the Russian revolution(s). See e.g. Jonathan Frankel & Dan Diner (eds) “Dark Times, Dire Decisions: Jews and Communism” (2004) pp.5-6.

            I thought I was fair to Nesta Webster, whose comments on the Protocols in “World Revolution” (1971 rev.ed) pp.287-298) and “Secret Societies and Subversive Movements” (1964) App.II are neglected by students. As for prophetic role, I would say that the long-standing revolutionary aims, to which she refers, of destroying monarchy, private property, the family unit, national sovereignty and Christianity are already well under way in her native land, without Jews, Masons or Communists obviously leading the process.

  • anarchyst

    I wonder if the professor is a member of the “tribe”. That one trait could explain his love for communism . . .

  • Liberalsuck

    So when people deny the Nazi persecution of Jews, they are called haters. When someone denies the communists murdered 100 million people, somehow that isn’t a big deal? Make no doubt, I do believe there was a persecution of Jews in Germany just as I believe millions of people suffered under communist regimes.

    • David Ashton

      I find that people feel cold about the victims of Communism but get upset about the victims of Nazism. There is either an automatic skepticism or a selective empathy. It is true that there are many more internet hits for Holocaust than Gulag, but a comparative information deficit cannot entirely explain the psychological indifference to the victims of communism and their memory. Any explanation, folks?

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Here’s my two cents.

        The Holocaust runs through, saturates and permeates the entire American K-12 school curriculum from top to bottom.

        Ann Frank is required reading at several levels, I’ve seen entire high school-level English (NOT history) AND American history year-long courses revolve around the Holocaust — Holocaust literature, art, history. The Holocaust museum in Los Angeles sends buses for LAUSD students for free — they also send out teaching materials for teachers to use in the classroom.

        Blacks and Mexicans are encouraged to “identify” with the Jews of WW II as victims of White discrimination, oppression and injustice.

        I have not seen lessons about Soviet atrocities offered up, only pro-Uncle Joe and how the Soviets helped FDR and the Americans put an end to the most heinous evil ever on the face of the earth — Hitler and the Nazis.

        Otherwise, we’d all be speaking German.

        (Yeah, right)

        American history, English and World history state tests at the secondary level ALWAYS include multiple questions about the Holocaust and the victimization of minorities at the hands of Whites. (I know this because I give these test every May).

        Interestingly, in Southern California where I live, there is now a sizable Armenian population and they want THEIR own holocaust integrated into the California state curriculum — Asians are coming on strong as well, especially about how the Japanese were locked up in concentration camps and the Chinese were discriminated against by the Chinese Exclusion Act.

        I see it in the new textbooks.

        And, as we know, the victors write the history books.

        Hope that helps.

        Bon

        • David Ashton

          Yes, constant incremental saturation. Same in UK schools, TV, &c. “It is no accident” to quote old Trotsky in another context.

        • David Ashton

          I also think it’s because of the continual barrage of sympathy-inducing personal stories (even if not all entirely credible) and fictional films with “believable” characters.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Yes, especially Anne Frank’s supposed diary:

            Because of a lawsuit in a German court, the German state forensic bureau, the Bundes Kriminal Amt [BKA] forensically examined the manuscript.

            The results of tests, performed at the BKA laboratories, showed that ‘significant’ portions of the work, especially the fourth volume, were written with a ballpoint pen. Since ballpoint pens were not available before 1951, the BKA concluded those sections must have been added subsequently.

            In the end, BKA clearly determined that none of the diary handwriting matched known examples of Anne’s handwriting. The German magazine, Der Spiegel, published an account of this report alleging that:

            (a) some editing postdated 1951;
            (b) an earlier expert had held that all the writing in the journal was by the same hand; and thus (c) the entire diary was a postwar fake.

            AND, that diary isn’t the only fraud:

            http://tinyurl.com/btkxmxb

            Bon

          • David Ashton

            Anne Frank’s Diary, To Kill a Mockingbird and other such have been staple diets for English schoolchildren for decades. A special Foundation has had to “defend” various criticisms of the Diary and its various “recensions”.
            Expected to use a paperback version as a set book for an English class, I thought it read like a novel written for publication, though I have never had any reason to doubt that much of it was based on writings made by a precocious and intelligent young girl. It is not an account of events inside Nazi concentration-camps.

      • HamletsGhost

        The simplest explanation is that under Hitler, Jews were the hunted. Under Stalin, they were the hunters.

  • C_C_Conrad

    So this liberal loon says the Stalin killed no one, okay. But we don’t need to break our necks over what these commie nut-jobs want to do, see this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZVbrvfAn_Q
    ………..
    Jack’s War

  • Token Finn

    For all we know, the soviet atrocity stats may be exaggerated just like the nazi stats. His position is pretty impossible to defend though. There’s evidence of Obama having black gays assasinated to protect his reputation. There’s far more evidence of Clinton having tens of americans assasinated for similar reasons, and all victims are known by name and profession. Best not to get started on the wars waged against whites and browns by those presidents.