Alarm at Greek Police ‘Collusion’ with Far-Right Golden Dawn

Paul Mason, BBC News, October 17, 2012

Greece’s far-right party, Golden Dawn, won 18 parliamentary seats in the June election with a campaign openly hostile to illegal immigrants and there are now allegations that some Greek police are supporting the party.

“There is already civil war,” says Ilias Panagiotaros. If so, the shop he owns is set to do a roaring trade.

It sells camouflage gear, police riot gloves, face masks and T-shirts extolling football hooliganism.

On the walls are posters celebrating the last civil war in Greece, which ended in 1949.

“Greek society is ready—even though no-one likes this—to have a fight: a new type of civil war,” he says.

“On the one side there will be nationalists like us, and Greeks who want our country to be as it used to be, and on the other side illegal immigrants, anarchists and all those who have destroyed Athens several times,” he adds.

You hear comments like this a lot in Greece now but Ilias Panagiotaros is not some figure on the fringes: he is a member of the Greek parliament, one of 18 MPs elected for the far-right Golden Dawn in June’s general election.

Theatre attack

And for Mr Panagiotaros, civil war is not something theoretical.

Last week he led a demonstration that closed down a performance of the Terence McNally play, Corpus Christi.

As police stood by, apparently oblivious, Mr Panagiotaros was filmed shouting racist and homophobic insults at the director of the play, and the actors cowering inside the Chyterio Theatre.

“Wrap it up you little faggots. Yes, just keep staring at me you little hooker. Your time is up.

“You Albanian assholes,” shouts Mr Panagiotaros in the YouTube clip.

Footage filmed inside the theatre, as rocks showered into its open-air auditorium, shows the manager making frantic calls to the chief of police, demanding protection from a mob that had begun to beat up journalists outside.

Other footage shows Golden Dawn MP Christos Pappas “de-arrest” a demonstrator, pulling him from a police detention coach, as the police do nothing.

Calls were made to the public order ministry, who ordered the chief prosecutor to attend the scene. No help arrived.

“This was the Greek Kristallnacht,” says Laertis Vassiliou, the play’s director.

“People went home with broken bones. Every day they phone me now, they phone the theatre, saying: your days are numbered.”

His eyes redden and his face begins to tremble as he tells me:

“They phoned my mother, Golden Dawn. They said we will deliver your son’s body to you in a box of little pieces.

“I want to be told if we are in a democracy or a dictatorship?”

Growing alarm

The attack on Corpus Christi has become a signal moment for Greek politics.

Though Golden Dawn members have attacked migrants frequently, in the past month the far-right party has stepped up its presence on the streets.

It launched a raid on a street market in Rafina, where its uniformed activists demanded to see the permits of migrant stallholdersthere—demonstratively smashing up the property of those who did not have them.

Now, with the attack on a theatre group, alarm is spreading among sections of society that were not previously affected by the party’s actions.

I ask Mr Panagiotaros: how can it be right for a party in parliament to have a uniformed militia that takes on, violently, the role of law enforcement, checking papers and overturning market stalls? He explains:

“With one incident, which was on camera, the problem was solved—in every open market all over Greece illegal immigrants disappeared.

“There was some pushing and some fighting—nothing extraordinary, nothing special.

“Now, only with one phone call saying Golden Dawn is going to pass by, the police is going there. That means the brand name of Golden Dawn is very effective.”

He confirms the party’s strategy is to force police action against migrants and to claim their right to make citizens’ arrests against those they suspect of criminality.

“It’s like fashion—our dress code is now extremely popular and more people want to follow it. The brand name is synonymous with order, law and order and efficiency.”

And if it projects fear among perfectly legal migrants? I ask.

“There are no legal migrants in Greece,” says Mr Panagiotaros “not even one.”

Now Golden Dawn is suddenly everywhere. Its eight local offices at election time have become 60 nationwide. It is polling consistently as the third most popular party at 12%.

Its parliamentarians have threatened to “drag migrant children from the kindergartens,” and requested a list of the kindergartens with high migrant numbers. This, the Greek education ministry has willingly provided.

Time and again there is a pattern to Golden Dawn disturbances.

They target migrants, the Left, lawyers representing migrants, or in the case of the theatre picket, gay people. And the police stand by.

In Athens police are even alleged to have referred people experiencing problems with migrant neighbours to Golden Dawnfor help.

Mr Panagiotaros confirms what opinion polls taken in June indicated: there is support for Golden Dawn inside the police force, way higher than in the general population.

“I think with what they are saying now we have more than 50%, 60% of police staff that are following us—maybe more—every day it is growing,” says Mr Panagiotaros.

Many of his customers are police, who buy not just their riot gear but parts of their actual uniform from his militaria store, where police regulation shirts hang alongside T-shirts praising the Nazi group Combat 18 and the Chelsea Headhunters.

Policing the Greek crisis would pose a huge challenge, even without the issue of political support for the far right inside the police force.

Anarchists have tried to counter Golden Dawn’s patrols in migrant areas by staging their own, motorbike mounted patrols—hundreds strong.

During a motorbike protest last week, a clash with Golden Dawn occurred.

A unit of the motorbike-mounted police called Delta Force arrested 15 demonstrators, stripping them naked in the prison cells and, say the detainees, using tasers, stress positions, humiliation techniques and beatings.

A report of this in the Guardian last week has become a matter of national controversy here, and is strenuously denied by the government.

On 8 October a further 25 protesters were arrested at a demonstration at the courthouse to support those originally detained.

Yiannis, one of those detained, tells the story:

“They searched us, made us strip, kneel. They hit me on the head and knees. They said we know where you all live.

I meet Yiannis and Maria, two of those alleging mistreatment, in a quiet flat in Exarchia, the bohemian district of Athens.

Both will speak only on condition that I change their names, and film them without showing their faces. Though charged eventually with misdemeanours, they were both held for four nights in police custody.

Yiannis continues: “They said: You’re finished and things are not going to be the way they were from now on.

“They said they would pass on the video they filmed of us to Golden Dawn. They picked on me to use as an example to the others. They kept making me say to every new detainee: ‘if you too disobey they will [hurt] your mother’.”

Maria, who has been calm and confident as we have prepared for the interview, now becomes disturbed as she tells her story.

“They made me strip in front of the others,” she says.

“The Delta police arrived and spoke about Golden Dawn as if they were their siblings, including the officer in charge. They praised Hitler, saying he was better than Stalin.

“They told us we should remember this—that they are Golden Dawn supporters now.”

Throughout the ordeal, the arresting officers from the Delta Force, says Maria, continually flaunted their political support for Golden Dawn.

I put the allegations to Lt Col Christos Manouras, the spokesman for the Athens police. He tells me:

“I am categoric that in this incident none of these things happened in the headquarters building of the Attica police. Greek police respect human rights—and this is a non-story.”

He adds: “These allegations were never made to the police. No charges were pressed, so the police could look into this from the beginning.

“All the same, if anybody wants to identify themselves—or even if a general allegation reaches us—we will investigate it further. If it involves police, whether racist violence or violence against another person, Greek or migrant, we investigate in depth.”

Dimitris Psaras, whose new book, Golden Dawn’s Black Bible, details the organisation’s recent rise, believes the influence of far right within the police force works at an insidious level:

“There is an osmosis of Golden Dawn supporters, between those working in the police and those in private security as well as those providing night club protection.

“Sometimes the same person can be providing all these three services. They usually meet in local gyms and specific coffee shops owned by those who share the same ideology.”

Mr Psaras believes that harsh police treatment of drug offenders and migrants gives a tacit signal to Golden Dawn that its illegal attacks on these groups are welcome.

I repeatedly put the question to Lt Col Manouras as to what strategy the police commanders have adopted to mitigate the risks of individual police support for Golden Dawn compromising operations.

“Every day we make operational plans of how to deal with such phenomena,” he says.

“Rest assured we stand by the citizens and we try to prevent such situations.

“Of course we can’t be on every corner. We are not magicians, to be able to ensure within two minutes that nothing goes wrong. But we do intervene immediately to normalize the situation.”

Growing support

Golden Dawn has gained ground spectacularly in two leaps. First, during the riotous summer of 2011, when the right wing Christian nationalist party Laos disintegrated after it joined the pro-austerity coalition.

Laos vanished and Golden Dawn took its place, scoring 6-7% in the inconclusive Greek elections of May and June 2012.

The second spurt is occurring now, as the coalition government—which includes Conservatives, Socialists and the “moderate” Marxists of the Democratic Left party—has failed to put a lid on the crisis.

And the issue driving support for Golden Dawn is clear: illegal migration.

Faced with virtually uncontrollable borders, the coalition government launched a roundup of migrants from the city streets, and has detained around 4,000 in makeshift camps. A further 3,000 have been deported.

A senior lawmaker in the ruling New Democracy party told me, back in June: “What will solve the Golden Dawn problem is getting an immigration policy. We haven’t had one.”

But the crackdown on immigration has not stopped Golden Dawn’s rise. As the media have joined in—relentlessly identifying foreigners with crime—the far right’s poll rating has increased.

Theodora Oikonomides, a journalist at the alternative radio network RadioBubble, who has covered the rise of Golden Dawn, voices a fear common to many:

“Golden Dawn’s favourite themes, such as xenophobia, homophobia and anti-Semitism have now become part of Greek public discourse, whether at the political or at the social level.

“By failing to take action against Golden Dawn while nodding and winking to its electorate at every opportunity, the Greek politicians—who are now in power with the support of European partners—have opened a Pandora’s box that will not close any time soon.”

Political war

Last month, the Greek prime minister, Antonis Samaras, warned Europe that his country was on the edge of a Weimar Germany-style social collapse.

What I have seen on the streets of Athens convinces me this is not rhetoric. The situation is changing rapidly.

There is a violent far-right party, its MPs committing and inciting violence with impunity; a police force that cannot or will not prevent Golden Dawn from projecting uniformed force on the streets. And a middle class that feels increasingly powerless to turn the situation round.

When Angela Merkel came here last week, there were violent scenes and a total lockdown of the city. Only from the TV news can the German Chancellor have witnessed the impact of the EU-imposed austerity.

Well here is what it looks like to Golden Dawn’s second in command, Ilias Panagiotaros.

In the garden outside his shop, protected by 15-foot high fencing and beefy colleagues in their black T-shirts, he tells me:

“Golden Dawn is at war with the political system and those who represent it, with the domestic and international bankers, we are at war with these invaders—immigrants.

“And if Syriza wins the next election, we will win the one after that. It is not a dream that within one, two or three years we will be the first political party.”

And here is how it looks to Laertis Vassiliou, the theatre director whose play was shut down:

“If the European Commissioner for Human Rights, the European Parliament, the Greek parliament don’t intervene in this situation I am afraid to think what’s going to happen. Europe must do something if they don’t want a revival of the Third Reich again.”

Close up, in other words, the social and political outcome of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and EU (European Union) austerity programme, and of the implosion of mainstream politics in Greece, looks like a catastrophe for democracy.

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  • Triarius

    Of course the police are siding with GD. All cops become realists because they have to be. A lot of white nationalists think cops will be the fot sldiers of a tyrannical government, I personally do not. The military is a different issue, though.

    Lastly…

    “Constant exposure to dangers breed contempt for them.” – Seneca the Younger

  • KD_Did

    You go Greeks!  A pendulum swings back just as far as pushed.

  • IstvanIN

    The Greek government was not proactive enough in banning, or otherwise blunting, parties like Golden Dawn, as in the UK and Germany.

    Of course many police support Golden Dawn, the majority of police in Greece are Greek and the Greeks are sick of their country being overrun.  Seems like a natural to me.

    Gays, feminists and Jews, as I have said many times before, lose big time in any push against “diversity”.  The “official” party line of gay, women’s and Jewish groups is pro-diversity.  Unfortunately race realist gays, feminists and Jews suffer along with their so-called leadership.  You can only have gay, women’s and Jewish “rights” in a white, Christian nation, and for that matter atheist rights.  Those groups should have been the first to protest the take over of their nations.

    The Greek government is in a pickle, the cat is out of the bag.  They can not arrest everyone involved in Golden Dawn and it may be too late to weed out GD sympathizers in the police.  They can not lock up the entire country.  Will Greece fall into a civil war, I think it depends on who the military sides with.  If the military sides with Golden Dawn, decides to act solely as a peace keeping force, and forces the government to start addressing GD’s concerns about immigration and multiculturalism, civil war could be averted.  If the military sides completely with the government things will get ugly.  If the military splits then civil war is a definite.

    The wild card is the US and its lap dogs the UK and NATO.  Will the US decide to bomb a fellow NATO country?  The US had no qualms about killing non-NATO white, Christian Jugoslavians during their civil war. Will the US bomb Greece to save diversity?  This could be a dry run for what our government will do to us.

    • nathan wartooth

      “Gays, feminists and Jews, as I have said many times before, lose big time in any push against “diversity”.  The “official” party line of gay, women’s and Jewish groups is pro-diversity.  Unfortunately race realist gays, feminists and Jews suffer along with their so-called leadership.  You can only have gay, women’s and Jewish “rights” in a white, Christian nation, and for that matter atheist rights.  Those groups should have been the first to protest the take over of their nations.”

      I completely agree. The Jews got so terrified that all White people were Hitlers just waiting to be born that they completely forgot that Whites are the only people on the planet who will put up with them in their countries. This is why the Jews are worried about Europe hating them. Because they pushed policies that let in a bunch of people, mostly Muslims, who hate them. 

      Gays have also forgot this. People think that since Blacks vote Democrat they must be for gay rights. WRONG. Over 60% of Blacks don’t think that gay marriage should be legal as opposed to a little under 50% for Asians and Whites. Being a homosexual in a middle eastern country just means that you either hide it very well or your head gets chopped off. 

      One glaring question that always smacks me in the face is why nationalism and race realism is so connected to religion (mostly Christian) and hating gays? I guess hating gays and religion goes hand in hand but then why is it religious people are so represented in race realism and nationalism? 

      As someone who is Bi-sexual if this movement ever came to America I would just hide the side of the me attracted to the same sex and lie about it. But for true homosexuals it would mean the same. It would also mean getting married to someone they weren’t attracted to and then cheating on them. 2,000 years ago if they had written that gay people should just do their own thing and adopt babies to help carry on the race wouldn’t that have been a lot better? Oh well. 

      • IstvanIN

         To simplify my point: you do not have to be a traitor to your own people to demand fair treatment (gays and women).  You do not have to work to undermine your host society (Jews) to demand fair treatment.  You do not have to denigrate the religion of your own society (atheists) to be a non-believer.

        • IstvanIN

           I am starting to regret my post.  Didn’t expect it to become a discussion on homosexuality.  That paragraph was just to point out that a liberal society is really only possible in a white society.

          • nathan wartooth

            My apologies. 

            It’s just something I’ve been thinking about and your post and this article got it into my brain. 

            I understand your point very well and it’s a very good point. If more gays and Jews understood this then a lot more of them might become nationalists. 

          • Sherman_McCoy

            Unfortunately, I estimate that only about 1% of Jews are pro-white Nationalists, if that.

          • FourFooted_Messiah

            I’m thinking that a liberal society isn’t just possible in a white society, it’s only possible in a HIGH-TECH society – it’s just that whites have had the highest tech for the longest time, and have had a lot of time to think about social issues.

            Example – as far as gays go, we’re beyond the “Everybody Must Breed, Breed, Breed” mentality of primitive societies.  Most infants born will survive to breeding age, thanks to better hygenie, accessible food, and modern medicines.  I see gays as a sort of population-safety valve.  Yes, they might never have babies, but there are those whites (say, Catholics) who still want big families, and can afford to have them.  The vast majority will be in the middle range, having 1-3 kids, keeping the population more or less stable.  And stabiliy is what a high-tech society needs, not “constant growth” (this is the EXACT excuse government and business use to demand more immigration, becuase they’re still caught up on the primitive minded myth of “constant growth must happen”.

            As for women, same deal.  And as I mentioned elswhere, the ORIGINAL idea of “women’s lib” (as opposed to modern leftist “feminism”) was simply to give women a choice in what to do with their own lives.  Not all of us are automatically the mommy type just because of our gender.  But there are also those who don’t seem happy if they’re NOT preggers.

            It’s all about balance, and remembering that we are an animal species, too – a large mammal, at that.  The world can’t take such huge masses of us, especially when we know how to rip tons of its resources out of it every hour to support BILLIONS of large mammals.  Humans are big on talking about “managing” wildlife populations.  It’s about time we got that log out of our OWN eye before presuming to shoot at the motes in the eyes of other species, who, in the end, have better natural population regulators than we.

      • Persephone Gray

        Very few people actually hate gays. I think most just feel a kind of primal revulsion when confronted with an openly homosexual display right out in the open. That’s the natural reaction of a straight person to something that is personally disgusting to them. The main reason it has always been best for gays to keep their proclivities private is that it is in their own best interests as well as everyone else’s. It’s just the natural way of things. Even societies that have tolerated gays have still preferred them to keep it “behind closed doors.” A kind of societal “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

        “As someone who is Bi-sexual… I would just hide the side of the me attracted to the same sex and lie about it. But for true homosexuals it would mean the same.” — I don’t see how that is very different from any straight person in a relationship, who suppresses their attraction to people other than their partner.

        “It would also mean getting married to someone they weren’t attracted to and then cheating on them.” — Once again, not very different to what all European people did traditionally for hundreds of years. These days, yes, most whites marry out of attraction and love, but after the initial infatuation subsides, a person is often left “married to someone they aren’t attracted to”… someone they care for and are comfortable with, yes, but not someone who ignites their passion in any way. A well-rounded, mature heart can overlook this “deficiency” and accept such changes as part of the natural evolution of a marriage. Others, however, crave the rush of early infatuation over and over again. Some are honorable enough and possess the self-discipline not to cheat, though of course many do.

        Either way, I don’t see this as a hardship that would be unique to gays.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/D7BX764AFX7YRN57CDP7IRUMNE Darryl

          Well, I’m not pro-gay marriage, but I will say that the biggest sexual problem in this nation comes from straights divorcing willy-nilly, or hooking up with one-night stands with no marriage in the future. Not having straight, solid families can take a country out in about 15 minutes. The 1% of the country that likes to play around and act like children mean nothing to me. Let them be as gay as possible, but straights should have more sense.

        • nathan wartooth

          I completely understand. I am friends with people who think gays in their habits are disgusting and I don’t really let it bother me at all. 

          I understand that gays are a very small minority and that a lot of straight people think it’s disgusting. 

          I’m completely OK with a don’t ask don’t tell kind of society. I just hate it when there is violence against gays just because they are gay like in this article. 

          If the immigrants are the problem why aren’t they trying to convert the gays instead of attacking them? They are just creating a group that hates them. 

        • Sun

          Well while I oppose to homosexuality (from a biological and evolutionary standpoint), I tend not to like the hedonistic behaviors that come from it. One only has to stroll down West Hollywood to know what I’m talking about.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/NQHEAYZCMBOERHG2VZRDQ3YUSQ Felix

          Healthy societies have long accepted the paradox of accepting behaviours in private they don’t want put in the public square. That’s not hypocrisy. That’s accepting of reality on matters that aren’t always fully understood.

          Let gays enjoy couplehood if they so wish, but they shouldn’t have the temerity to demand that we pretend that theirs will ever be a true marriage even it is enshrined by law. A million gay couples copulating for a million years can never add to the dignity of gay “marriage” greater than that already inherent in the marriage of one man and one woman, which has the possibility of pro-creation, can build a society and continue the species;.

          • Persephone Gray

            Absolutely. This tends to be my basic position as well.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/D7BX764AFX7YRN57CDP7IRUMNE Darryl

        Hey, all I know is, whenever anyone lines up to mock this country, or is in a group to tear us down, or are just plain communists, they are either gay or jewish. If there was one gay fellow I could point to and say– “hey look, there is the one exception, a patriotic, decent gay,” then I’d change my mind.

      • Sun

        Do not put every woman with Feminist. Feminist are old bags who want to be men and cannot accept reality.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        “One glaring question that always smacks me in the face is why nationalism and race realism is so connected to religion (mostly Christian) and hating gays? I guess hating gays and religion goes hand in hand but then why is it religious people are so represented in race realism and nationalism? ”

        Excellent questions.  For the Greeks and the Slavs in particular, Orthodox Christianity is foundational to their culture.  In the US, many nationalists are already fundamentalist Christians, and therefore to a great extent are against homosexuality as a matter of basic doctrinal belief.   But White Nationalists are also against any type of sexuality that doesn’t have the capability of producing White progeny.  Also, part of Christian fundamentalism is a respect for the law, and a recognition of what is right and wrong.  Illegals coming over the border is illegal, and wrong.

        Back in the day, gays would stay in the closet, marry, produce children, and then either keep their proclivities to themselves, or eventually leave their families.  In either case, children were produced.  I’m not saying it was better or worse, only what I observed.

        One last aside on homosexuality.  I asked my best friend from high school (who is gay) if he supported diversity?  “Of course,” he answered.  “Then how would it be a good thing if we all become caramel colored mongrels?”  I asked.  He answered, “Then there will be no more wars.”  “Then how do you explain the genocide between the black African Tutsis and the Hutus?  Or the First and Second World Wars fought between White?” 

        To this, he had no answers.

    • C_C_Conrad

      “…the cat is out of the bag.”  

      White tiger, maybe? 

      • IstvanIN

         If nationalists win, and I hope they do, there will be hell to pay for all the politicians who gave their respective nations away.

  • JSS

    The media hysterical reaction to their diversity religions rejection in Greece is totally expected. How the decadent Western democracys react will be the most important thing. If the pro Greek trends continue in Greece I think sanctions and old South Africa style pariahdom are a given. But I do think military intervention is not far fetched either. After all the MSM will be totally behind killing non liberal Whites on behalf of diversity anytime and I think the corrupt elites who run our nations would like to show that resistance to diversity is futile. Good luck to golden dawn. I wish I spoke Greek. I honestly wish I could fly or even swim there right now and ask what I can do to help. To see Whites somewhere in the world standing up for themselves is the most inspirational thing I can imagine. Notice to that the brown and Muslim invaders are genuinely hiding in fear and have to rely on pathetic White traitors to defend them.

    • C_C_Conrad

       This is a good example of what we can do if & when we work together and support our cause.  So, get busy, make donations, join pro-white groups, buy copies of pro-white books and give them to the people around you.  A man that knows me just bought 4 copies of Jack’s War to give to his family members, and he isn’t even on our side, well not yet. 

  • Anon321

    “Yiannis continues: “They said: You’re finished and things are not going to be the way they were from now on.”

    Gotta say that fills me with joy… also – an Anarchist complaining about violence/mistreatment?  What a lark!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7RORAJVG7LJJZECDJIILHJBE7U So CAL Snowman

    The Greek Police are probably GRATEFUL for some help in stemming the tide of immigrant violence and nonsense.  I get the feeling that American law enforcement would welcome some help as well!

  • C_C_Conrad

     Οι Έλληνες παρουσιάζουν ορισμένες πίσω οστά. Καλό για αυτούς.Δείτε το βιβλίο, πόλεμος του JackThe Greeks are showing some back bone.  Good for them. Jack’s War. com

  • 1Forced_Registration

    Quoted: “If the European Commissioner for Human Rights, the European Parliament, the Greek parliament don’t intervene in this situation I am afraid to think what’s going to happen. Europe must do something if they don’t want a revival of the Third Reich again.”

    Uhh, I don’t see anyone bringing back the Third Reich. What I see is a group of Greek nationalists finally saying “We weren’t asked if we wanted massive immigration, massive illegal immigration, a system of benefits that puts invaders before native Greeks, multiculturalism, and a mess of other things rammed down are throat. We are tired of it, and we will not back down.” 

    I don’t see any threats of invading other countries. I do see a movement of the people; specifically European natives to say no to immigration (legal & otherwise), and multiculturalism though. 

    This is the kind of thing that doesn’t make me wince at the Republican party failing. They haven’t represented the interest of the white majority for some time. Its far harder here to get a third party going strong, but if we actually started to rise up and DO something … Who knows? 

    I don’t agree with everything the Golden Dawn is doing, but I don’t think they are going to be a flash in the pan either. I see similar awakenings happening in Sweden, and even in Germany — though they are far more sedate in Germany due to the laws there.

  • IKantunderstand

    Yiannis and Maria, the poor put upon anarchists whining about someone else’s anarchy. What goes around comes around, baby.

  • Sun

    I despise Nazism, however I want Leftist to pay. This is well over due.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NQHEAYZCMBOERHG2VZRDQ3YUSQ Felix

      While the Nazis were monsters, I wonder if German support of them wasn’t mostly born of their reaction against the horrors they saw inflicted by the communists in the USSR. Would their have been a bigger slaughter in Germany and Europe if it had been them in power in the ’30′s instead of the Nazis?

      While we can never know for certain, given what took place in the Soviet Union, it’s hard not to wonder if the national socialists really weren’t the lesser of two evils.

  • Sherman_McCoy

    How can you equate deportation of illegal immigrants to the gas chambers of Auschwitz?

    Answer, you must be a brain-dead leftist.

    • FourFooted_Messiah

       Also, I don’t think the Greeks have an eye to worrying about the situation in other countries, and aren’t going to go marching across the continent.

      They are deporting, not exterminating.  I guess the Left can’t see the difference.

      One of the biggest PR mistakes Hitler made was in exterminating, rather than deporting Jews elsewhere; but at the time no one would take them, and it took the Holocaust to finally give them their own homeland back.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/NQHEAYZCMBOERHG2VZRDQ3YUSQ Felix

        To a “good” leftist every opponent is always Hitler and it’s always 1939.

    • Sun

      No one equated that, you hallucinating goon. 

      • Sherman_McCoy

        “Europe must do something if they don’t want a revival of the Third Reich again.”

        Now, don’t you have a bridge somewhere you need to be under, you you moronic troll?

    • The__Bobster

      You can’t. One of them never happened.

      • Sherman_McCoy

        Now THAT’s a good comeback!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/NQHEAYZCMBOERHG2VZRDQ3YUSQ Felix

      …brain-dead leftist.

      That’s an obvious redundancy.

  • FourFooted_Messiah

     Oh, is THAT what it’s about?  Well, it’s partly the traditional church’s fault for insisting up and down that none of those men were ever married (and given the cultural milieu at the time, it’s almost ridiculous to think that they were all bachelors UNLESS there was something wrong with them.).

    And the only reason not to mention they’re married is because it would be pretty much a given.  No Jew would ever call an unmarried man “Rabbi”.  It would have ONLY been noteworthy if they WERE NOT married.  Yet, oddly enough, there’s nothing but silence on the subject.

    But, if you say that any of them (especially Jesus) might have been married, folks freak.  Try to portray the obvious if they weren’t, folks freak.  I guess they were just sort of magically sexless like fictional folks in a fairy tale.

    As for Unperson, censorship is never good, whether it’s on us or or our opponents.  THAT is what makes a fascist society fascist.  If folks don’t like the play where this guy is trying to show it, they can vote with their wallets by not buying tickets, and the show will fail.

  • FourFooted_Messiah

     When I went there they still had mandatory military service for men 18+. I suppose their military can’t be very big, but it’s  very big on chasing Turks, I knew that.  I read an article while there (I can read Greek, but my speaking was kind of lacking, as it is in English, too) ahout how a couple of Greek fighter jets chased Turkish jets out of their territory, and began circling around on patrol; one of the pilots fell asleep and crashed into the sea.

    Even if they are small, and simply just dedicated, let’s hope they are dedicated to Greece and not the questionable values of their EU masters.

  • The__Bobster

    I do Almost 90% of them support multi-culturalism and the destruction of traditional America.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NQHEAYZCMBOERHG2VZRDQ3YUSQ Felix

    Call it whatever you want, but it will never and can never be the same.

    Marrying another woman (or man) because the law says it’s legal makes it no more a marriage than if you were to legally partner with a goat.

    While I dont’ give a tinker’s damn about the sort of genitalia (or species, for that matter) you prefer your sexaual partners’ to have, you damn well can’t go around trying to redefine nature and shoving it down people’s truths without having it backfire on your dimpled ass. Be prepared for the blowback.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NQHEAYZCMBOERHG2VZRDQ3YUSQ Felix

    4′ and 300 lbs?

    Powerful? Perhaps. Built like a beer keg and unhealthily angry? Most definitely.

  • http://vitamind3info.blogspot.com/ Adrian

    They should spend their time educating their fellow Greeks about liberalism, communism Marxism. Violence will only bring down more laws on top of their heads, either from the Greek authorities or from the EU, besides it’s the Greek and EU elites that need slapping.
    Far better to spend the time putting together educational DVDs.