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The Unknown Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Benjamin J. Ryan, American Renaissance, January 2009

Forty years after his death, the popularity of Martin Luther King remains extraordinary. He is perhaps the single most praised person in American history, and millions adore him as a hero and almost a saint. The federal government has made space available on the Mall in Washington for a national monument for King, not far from Lincoln’s. Only four men in American history have national monuments: Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt; and now King will make five.

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Martin Luther King, Jr. with his wife Coretta.

King is the only American who enjoys the nation’s highest honor of having a national holiday on his birthday. There are other days of remembrance such as Presidents’ Day, but no one else but Jesus Christ is recognized with a similar holiday. Does King deserve such honors? Much that has been known to scholars for years—but largely unknown to most Americans—suggests otherwise.

Plagiarism

As a young man, King started plagiarizing the work of others and he continued this practice throughout his career.

At Crozer Theological Seminary in Chester, Pennsylvania, where he received a bachelor of divinity degree in 1951, many of his papers contained material lifted verbatim and without acknowledgement from published sources. An extensive project started at Stanford University in 1984 to publish all of King’s papers tracked down the original sources for these early papers and concluded that his academic writings are “tragically flawed by numerous instances of plagiarism.” Journalist Theodore Pappas, who has also reviewed the collection, found one paper showing “verbatim theft” in 20 of a total of 24 paragraphs. He writes:

“King’s plagiarisms are easy to detect because their style rises above the level of his pedestrian student prose. In general, if the sentences are eloquent, witty, insightful, or pithy, or contain allusions, analogies, metaphors, or similes, it is safe to assume that the section has been purloined.”
King also plagiarized himself, recycling old term papers as new ones. Some of his professors complained about sloppy references, but they seem to have had no idea how extensively he was stealing material, and his habits were well established by the time he entered the PhD program at Boston University. King plagiarized one-third of his 343-page dissertation, the book-length project required to earn a PhD, leading some to say he should be stripped of his doctoral degree. Mr. Pappas explains that King’s plagiarism was a lifelong habit:
“King’s Nobel Prize Lecture was plagiarized extensively from works by Florida minister J. Wallace Hamilton; the sections on Gandhi and nonviolence in his ‘Pilgrimage’ speech were taken virtually verbatim from Harris Wofford’s speech on the same topic; the frequently replayed climax to the ‘I Have a Dream’ speech—the ‘from every mountainside, let freedom ring’ portion—came from a 1952 address to the Republican National Convention by a black preacher named Archibald Carey; and the 1968 sermon in which King prophesied his martyrdom was based on works by J. Wallace Hamilton and Methodist minister Harold Bosley.”
Perhaps King had no choice but to use the words of others. Mr. Pappas has found that on the Graduate Record Exam, King “scored in the second-lowest quartile in English and vocabulary, in the lowest ten percent in quantitative analysis, and in the lowest third on his advanced test in philosophy.”

Adultery

King lived a double life. During the day, he would speak to large crowds, quoting Scripture and invoking God’s will, and at night he frequently had sex with women from the audience. “King’s habits of sexual adventure had been well established by the time he was married,” says Michael Eric Dyson of Georgetown University, a King admirer. He notes that King often “told lewd jokes,” “shared women with friends,” and was “sexually reckless.” According to King biographer Taylor Branch, during a long party on the night of January 6 and 7, 1964, an FBI bugging device recorded King’s “distinctive voice ring out above others with pulsating abandon, saying, “˜I’m f***ing for God!’”

Sex with single and married women continued after King married, and on the night before his death, King had two adulterous trysts. His first rendezvous was at a woman’s house, the second in a hotel room. The source for this was his best friend and second-in-command, Ralph Abernathy, who noted that the second woman was “a member of the Kentucky legislature,” now known to be Georgia Davis Powers.

Abernathy went on to say that a third woman was also looking for King that same night, but found his bed empty. She knew his habits and was angry when they met later that morning. In response, writes Abernathy, King “lost his temper” and “knocked her across the bed… . She leapt up to fight back, and for a moment they were engaged in a full-blown fight, with [King] clearly winning.” A few hours later, King ate lunch with Abernathy and discussed the importance of nonviolence for their movement.

To other colleagues, King justified his adultery this way: “I’m away from home twenty-five to twenty-seven days a month. F***ing’s a form of anxiety reduction.” King had many one-night stands but also grew close to one of his girlfriends in a relationship that became, according to Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer David Garrow, “the emotional centerpiece of King’s life.” Still, sex with other women remained “a commonplace of King’s travels.”

In private, King could be extremely crude. On one FBI recording, King said to Abernathy in what was no doubt a teasing remark, “Come on over here, you big black motherf***er, and let me suck your d**k.” FBI sources told Taylor Branch about a surveillance tape of King watching a televised rerun of the Kennedy funeral. When he saw the famous moment when Jacqueline Kennedy knelt with her children before her dead husband’s coffin, King reportedly sneered, “Look at her. Sucking him off one last time.”

Despite his obsession with sex and his betrayal of his own wife and children, and despite Christianity’s call for fidelity, King continued to claim the moral authority of a Baptist minister.

Whites

King stated that the “vast majority of white Americans are racist” and that they refused to share power. His solution was to redistribute wealth and power through reparations for slavery and racial quotas:

“No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries. Not all the wealth of this affluent society could meet the bill. Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages… . The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement.” Continued King, “Moral justification for such measures for Negroes is rooted in the robberies inherent in the institution of slavery.” He named his plan the Bill of Rights for the Disadvantaged. Some poor whites would also receive compensation because they were “derivative victims of slavery,” but the welfare of blacks was his central focus.

King has been praised, even by conservatives, as the great advocate of color-blindness. They focus too narrowly on one sentence in his “I Have a Dream” speech, in which he said he wanted to live in a nation “where [my children] will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” The truth is that King wanted quotas for blacks. “[I]f a city has a 30 percent Negro population,” King reasoned, “then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30 percent of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas.”

One of King’s greatest achievements is said to have been passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. At the signing ceremony on July 2, he stood directly behind President Lyndon Johnson as a key guest. The federal agency created by the act, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, now monitors hiring practices and ensures that King’s desires for racial preferences are met.

Like liberals today, King denied racial differences. In a reply to an interviewer who told him many Southern whites thought racial differences were a biological fact, he replied:

“This utterly ignorant fallacy has been so thoroughly refuted by the social scientists, as well as by medical science, that any individual who goes on believing it is standing in an absolutely misguided and diminishing circle. The American Anthropological Association has unanimously adopted a resolution repudiating statements that Negroes are biologically, in innate mental ability or in any other way inferior to whites.”
The conclusions to be drawn from his belief in across-the-board equality were clear: failure by blacks to achieve at the level of whites could be explained only by white oppression. As King explained in one interview, “I think we have to honestly admit that the problems in the world today, as they relate to the question of race, must be blamed on the whole doctrine of white supremacy, the whole doctrine of racism, and these doctrines came into being through the white race and the exploitation of the colored peoples of the world.” King predicted that “if the white world” does not stop this racism and oppression, “then we can end up in the world with a kind of race war.”

Communism

In his public speeches, King never called himself a communist, instead claiming to stand for a synthesis of capitalism and communism: “[C]apitalism fails to realize that life is social. Communism fails to realize that life is individual. Truth is found neither in the rugged individualism of capitalism nor in the impersonal collectivism of communism. The Kingdom of God is found in a synthesis that combines the truths of these two opposites.”

However, David Garrow found that in private King “made it clear to close friends that economically speaking he considered himself what he termed a Marxist.” Mr. Garrow passes along an account of a conversation C.L.R. James, a Marxist intellectual, had with King: “King leaned over to me saying, ‘I don’t say such things from the pulpit, James, but that is what I really believe.’… King wanted me to know that he understood and accepted, and in fact agreed with, the ideas that I was putting forward—ideas which were fundamentally Marxist-Leninist… . I saw him as a man whose ideas were as advanced as any of us on the Left, but who, as he actually said to me, could not say such things from the pulpit… . King was a man with clear ideas, but whose position as a churchman, etc. imposed on him the necessity of reserve.” J. Pius Barbour, a close friend of King’s at seminary, agreed that he “was economically a Marxist.”

Some of King’s most influential advisors were Communists with direct ties to the Soviet Union. One was Stanley Levison, whom Mr. Garrow called King’s “most important political counselor” and “at Martin Luther King’s elbow.” He organized fundraisers for King, counseled him on tax issues and political strategy, wrote fundraising letters and his United Packinghouse Workers Convention speech, edited parts of his books, advised him on his first major national address, and prepped King for questions from the media. Coretta Scott King said of Levison that he was “[a]lways working in the background, his contribution has been indispensable,” and Mr. Garrow says the association with Levison was “without a doubt King’s closest friendship with a white person.”

What were Levison’s political views? John Barron is the author of Operation SOLO, which is about “the most vital intelligence operation the FBI ever had sustained against the Soviet Union.” Part of its work was to track Levison who, according to Mr. Barron, “gained admission into the inner circle of the communist underground” in the US. Mr. Garrow, a strong defender of King, admits that Levison was “one of the two top financiers” of the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA), which received about one million dollars a year from the Soviet Union. Mr. Garrow found that Levison was “directly involved in the Communist Party’s most sensitive financial dealings,” and acknowledged there was first-hand evidence of Levison’s “financial link to the Soviet Union.”

Hunter Pitts O’Dell, who was elected in 1959 to the national committee, the governing body for the CPUSA, was another party member who worked for King. According to FBI reports, Levison installed O’Dell as the head of King’s New York office, and later recommended that O’Dell be made King’s executive assistant in Atlanta.

King knew his associates were Communists. President Kennedy himself gave an “explicit personal order” to King advising against his “shocking association with Stanley Levison.” Once when he was walking privately with King in the White House Rose Garden, Kennedy also named O’Dell and said to King: “They’re Communists. You’ve got to get rid of them.”

The Communist connections help explain why Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy authorized the FBI to wiretap King’s home and office telephones in October 1963. Kennedy, like his brother John, was deeply sympathetic to King but also aware of the threat of communism.

Mr. Garrow tried to exonerate King of the charge of being a fellow traveler by arguing that Levison broke with the CPUSA while he worked for King, that is, from the time he met King in the summer of 1956 until King’s death in 1968. However, as historian Samuel Francis has pointed out, an official break with the CPUSA does not necessarily mean a break with the goals of communism or with the Soviet Union.

John Barron argues that if Levison had defected from the CPUSA and renounced communism, he would not have associated with former comrades, such as CP officials Lem Harris, Hunter Pitts O’Dell, and Roy Bennett (Levison’s twin brother who had changed his last name). He was also close to the highly placed KGB officer Victor Lessiovsky, who was an assistant to the head of the United Nations, U Thant.

Mr. Barron asks why Lessiovsky would “fritter away his time and risk his career … by repeatedly indulging himself in idle lunches or amusing cocktail conversation with an undistinguished lawyer [Levison] … who had nothing to offer the KGB, or with someone who had deserted the party and its discipline, or with someone about whom the KGB knew nothing? … And why would an ordinary American lawyer … meet, again and again, with a Soviet assistant to the boss of the United Nations?”

Other Communists who worked with King included Aubrey Williams, James Dombrowski, Carl Braden, William Melish, Ella J. Baker, Bayard Rustin, and Benjamin Smith. King also “associated and cooperated with a number of groups known to be CPUSA front organizations or to be heavily penetrated and influenced by members of the Communist Party—for example, the Southern Conference Educational Fund; Committee to Secure Justice for Morton Sobell; the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America; the National Lawyers Guild; and the Highlander Folk School.

The CPUSA clearly tried to influence King and his movement. An FBI report of May 6, 1960 from Jack Childs, one of the FBI’s most accomplished spies and a winner of the Presidential Medal of Freedom for Intelligence, said that the CP “feels that it is definitely to the Party’s advantage to assign outstanding Party members to work with the [Martin] Luther King group. CP policy at the moment is to concentrate upon Martin Luther King.”

As Republican Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina concluded in a Senate speech written by Francis, King’s alliance with Communists was evidence of “identified Communists … planning the influencing and manipulation of King for their own purposes.” At the same time, King relied on them for speech writing, fundraising, and raising public awareness. They, in turn, used his stature and fame to their own benefit. Senator Helms cited Congressman John M. Ashbrook, a ranking member of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, who said: “King has consistently worked with Communists and has helped give them a respectability they do not deserve. I believe he has done more for the Communist Party than any other person of this decade.”

Christianity

King strongly doubted several core beliefs of Christianity. “I was ordained to the Christian ministry,” he claimed, but Stanford University’s online repository includes King’s seminary writings in which he disputed the full divinity of Jesus, the Virgin Birth, and the Resurrection, suggesting that we “strip them of their literal interpretation.”

Regarding the divine nature of Jesus, King wrote that Jesus was godlike, but not God. People called Jesus divine because they “found God in him” like a divinely inspired teacher, not because he literally was God, as Jesus himself claimed. On the Virgin Birth, King wrote:

“First we must admit that the evidence for the tenability of this doctrine is to [sic] shallow to convince any objective thinker. How then did this doctrine arise? A clue to this inquiry may be found in a sentence from St. Justin’s First Apology. Here Justin states that the birth of Jesus is quite similar to the birth of the sons of Zeus. It was believed in Greek thought that an extraordinary person could only be explained by saying that he had a father who was more than human. It is probable that this Greek idea influenced Christian thought.”

Concerning the Resurrection, King wrote: “In fact the external evidence for the authenticity of this doctrine is found wanting.” The early church, he says, formulated this doctrine because it “had been captivated by the magnetic power of his [Jesus’] personality. This basic experience led to the faith that he could never die. And so in the pre-scientific thought pattern of the first century, this inner faith took outward form.” Thus, in this view, Jesus’ body never rose from the dead, even though according to Scripture, “And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile.”

Two other essays show how King watered down Christianity. In one, he wrote that contemporary mystery religions influenced New Testament writers: “[A]fter being in contact with these surrounding religions and hearing certain doctrines expressed, it was only natural for some of these views to become part of their subconscious minds… . That Christianity did copy and borrow from Mithraism cannot be denied, but it was generally a natural and unconscious process rather than a deliberate plan of action.” In another essay, King wrote that liberal theology “was an attempt to bring religion up intellectually,” and the introduction to the paper at the Stanford website says that King was “scornful of fundamentalism.” King wrote that in fundamentalism the Trinity, the Atonement, and the Second Coming are “quite prominent,” but again, these are defining beliefs of Christianity.

Known and unknown

King is both known and unknown. Millions worldwide see him as a moral messiah, and American schools teach young children to praise him. In the United States there are no fewer than 777 streets named for him. But King is also unknown because only a few people are aware of the unsavory aspects of his life. The image most people have of King is therefore cropped and incomplete.

In the minds of many, King towers above other Americans as a distinguished orator and writer, but this short, 5"6' man often stole the words of others. People believe he was a Christian, but he doubted some of the fundamentals of the faith. Our country honors King, but he worked closely with Communists who aimed to destroy it. He denied racial differences, but fought for racial favoritism in the form of quotas. He claimed to be for freedom, but he wanted to force people to associate with each other and he promoted the redistribution of wealth in the form of reparations for slavery. He quoted the ringing words of the Bible and claimed, as a preacher, to be striving to be more like Jesus, but his colleagues knew better.

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King and President Lyndon Johnson.

Perhaps he, too, knew better. His closest political advisor, Stanley Levison, said King was “an intensely guilt-ridden man” and his wife Coretta also called him “a guilt-ridden man.” Levison said that the praise heaped upon King was “a continual series of blows to his conscience” because he was such a humble man. If King was guilt-ridden might it have been because he knew better than anyone the wide gap between his popular image and his true character?

The FBI surveillance files could throw considerable light on his true character, but they will not be made public until 2027. On January 31, 1977, as a result of lawsuits by King’s allies against the FBI, a US district judge ordered the files sealed for 50 years. There are reportedly 56 feet of records—tapes, transcripts, and logs—in the custody of the National Archives and Record Service.

Meanwhile, for those who seek to know the real identity of this nearly untouchable icon, there is still plenty of evidence with which to answer the question: Was Martin Luther King, Jr. America’s best and greatest man?

Benjamin J. Ryan is working toward a PhD in Church-State Studies. For a fully footnoted version of this article, please send $3.00 and a self-addressed, stamped envelope to American Renaissance, P.O. Box 527, Oakton, VA 22124

(Posted on January 16, 2009)

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1 — Tim in Indiana wrote at 8:09 PM on January 16:

While I always thought MLK was vastly overhyped, and I certainly never thought he was deserving of his own holiday, I, at least for a time, thought he could be considered a “good” man. After finding articles like this on the Internet, I now know this isn’t the case at all. He was in reality a pretty corrupt man. Worse, the fact that his records are sealed is a scandalous violation of the concept of freedom of information concerning a very public individual.

2 — Anonymous wrote at 8:39 PM on January 16:

I do not agree with Ryan’s views on MLK. While I agree with the facts he presents; he does not place them in their social context. He does not consider that MLK’s constituency was Southern Black. This was the group whose benefit he was concerned with; so this was the group whose approval mattered to him. Bear in mind that he could have simply taken over his father’s position, and spent the rest of his life as a successful clergyman. Instead, he tried and achieved much much greater success.

Ryan cites five areas, adultery, Whites, Communist affiliations, Christianity and plagiarism, that MLK must be faulted on, but his constituants did not regard them as faults. Consider the following:

1- Adultery- His constiuants regarded this as MLK’s personal affair. Monogomy, among Blacks, is optional. In fact, many Blacks regard Monogamy in men the way Whites regard sexual impotance.

2-Whites-MLK took a user/negative attitude toward them, as did his constituants.

3-Communist Affiliations- MLK used them to advance his agenda. This is what mattered to Southern Blacks. I don’t know what benefits the Commies got from MLK, but MLK certainly got much help from them. This was typical of many Black men who became Communists. They got money, sex, prestige, and other goodies, but they never did much in return. They never went into the Black communities and organized hoards of Black Proletarians to act as cannon fodder for the Communists, which is what their Communist benefactors wanted them to do.

4-Plagiarism - I don’t think this mattered to his Black followers. If anything, they considered it to MLK’s credit that he found an easy was to get his doctorate.

5-Christianity - This reflects some contempary theology; it does not seem to have been a relevent issue to his followers.

MLK did much for the people that he cared about, and I respect any leader who does this, even if I am antagonistic to him and his followers.

The issue, that concerns me, is the maniacal veneration that America’s Whites give to MLK. Even if MLK were a bastion of monogamy, a great scholar, and a Medal of Honor winner, he would not have the importance to White men of Presidents Washington or Lincoln, yet his birthday is a national holiday and theirs are no longer national holidays. As noted in the article, many other honors are heaped upon his memory. This suggests to me that the problem is not with MLK, but White men and their bizzare, if not pathological attituide toward MLK.

3 — Douglas wrote at 8:39 PM on January 16:

Such are the black heroes. I for one will not turn on my tv to any show where I think this will even be discussed. I refuse to do business where the people are primarily black.

Least anyone call me a racist I will say, “SO WHAT!”

My next door neighbor who is black just recently told a company he hired to do yard work that he is only going to hire blacks to work for him. He is a city councilman.

4 — Anonymous wrote at 9:11 PM on January 16:


Fascinating. Thanks for posting. I knew some of this stuff (the plagiarizing, the cussing, the booty calls, the commie connections), but certainly not ALL of it.

For instance, I’d heard MLK had made a dirty joke about the recently assassinated JFK and his widow — but this is the first time I’d heard the actual joke. And now that I know what it was, I must say it’s about the most tasteless thing I’ve ever heard, and absolutely unbecoming of a minister — let alone one who’s been promoted to level of SAINT and GREATEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED.

I was also unaware of MLK’s, shall we say, non-traditional interpretations of Christian theology. His exegesis of Jesus’ non-divinity and other blasphemies are about the only things King ever said that I agree with. But then, I’m just a layman — and an Atheist to boot! — and not a man of the cloth. It’s one thing for a schmoe like me to disbelieve in the resurrection story, but when a Reverend disbelieves it, he’s a fraud to continue preaching. It’s his moral obligation to resign his ministry and find some other occupation.

But then, that would require MLK to have been an honest and honorable man — something that, apparently, even the “guilt-ridden” King himself knew he was not.

What he was instead was a huge fraud, a terrible liar, and a dissembling Socialist. Oh, and a truly lousy husband.


5 — Johan Potgieter wrote at 1:44 AM on January 17:

Unsurprising. I don’t care for Lincoln, either. Robert E. Lee was the greatest American. Second-greatest = Stonewall Jackson.

6 — EW wrote at 7:26 AM on January 17:

The MLK personal story resembles a lot of that of Elmer Gantry character of Sinclair Lewis. Gantry also plagiarized a lot in his sermons, wasn’t exactly a true believer and womanized where the occassion prsented itself.

7 — Anonymous wrote at 8:18 AM on January 17:

To me, the villain in the piece is the stupid white guy who killed King. What did he think he was doing? King would, I believe, have self-destructed. Instead, we wind up with a martyr. We have slow motion reparations, affirmative action (now called “diversity”) We have our children forced to spend their time in school venerating this guy. The assassin of King did no favor to the country.

8 — factualist wrote at 8:30 AM on January 17:

Discussing the character of King is a classic case of the truth versus political correctness. Political correctness as I take it is the belief that one must not hurt someone’s feelings under any circumstances even if the truth is at stake. Its primary motivations appear to be delusion, hypocrisy, cowardice, and/or outright lying. It might be called “ostrich-hiding-its-headism”. (However even an ostrich has never been observed displaying this behavior unlike humans).

Carlton Putnam in Race and Reason addressed political correctness although the emphemism wasn’t coined at the time. He takes the point of view of a Black who becomes indignant over Eurowhite nationalistic desire because its verbal expression is a “pretty hard slap in the face” and “discourtesy” to a Black.

Putnam states his regret for having to be discourteous, but his value for his extended White family is greater than that for politeness, and he points out how “[pro-Black] leaders have left me, and other members of my race who have studied the question [of coerced diversity], no choice”. Your leaders were the aggressors… Under such circumstances you cannot expect me, or any white man who perceives the real issue, to keep silent”

To Putnam, the real issue was race and not the polite talk about state’s rightsof the time which skirted race. To avoid the issue of race in favor of discussion about state’s rights is an act of poitical correctness itself.

The bottom line is that a great divide exists: those of us who value truth or facts and those who don’t. Furthermore we have been forced to be “impolite”. It may sound silly in such simplified terms, but that’s what it’s all about.

9 — Joe wrote at 8:59 AM on January 17:

The worst part is that conservatives talk about MLK like he was Jesus.

10 — Question Diversity wrote at 9:23 AM on January 17:

Anonymous poster:

To me, the villain in the piece is the stupid white guy who killed King. What did he think he was doing? King would, I believe, have self-destructed. Instead, we wind up with a martyr. We have slow motion reparations, affirmative action (now called “diversity”) We have our children forced to spend their time in school venerating this guy. The assassin of King did no favor to the country.

This is why there is a school of thought that while Ray pulled the trigger, that somebody of similar mentality to MLK was behind it. MLK was on the verge of being discredited mightily (like it would have mattered, the big Federal civil rights acts were already passed and enforced), but as Karl Marx once said that civil rights is a “revolution in permanence,” it wanted perpetually more. So it was in the best interest for certain people to have a martyr than a living but disgraced hustler. The Ray family was mostly from St. Louis, and they are considered to be something St. Louisans term “hoosiers,” not the complimentary Indiana definition, but derogatory for white trash. One of their own could have easily been talked into doing this kind of dirty work for a briefcase full of money.

11 — Conan wrote at 9:56 AM on January 17:

“To me, the villain in the piece is the stupid white guy who killed King. What did he think he was doing? King would, I believe, have self-destructed. Instead, we wind up with a martyr.”

He was most liekly killed by his communist party handlers, as they realized that King’s skeletons were getting ready to bust out of the closet and thought he would be of better use to their cause as a martyr than a buffooish Al Sharpton like figure.

12 — Anonymous wrote at 1:06 PM on January 17:

The worst part is that conservatives talk about MLK like he was Jesus.

Posted by Joe at 8:59 AM on January 17

White conservative males are afraid to badmouth anyone that’s not white, Christian, and Male.

13 — Brett Stevens wrote at 1:52 PM on January 17:

Between mass media and giving the vote to the proles, it seems to me our society has produced no real “heroes,” only overhyped media superstars that have achieved little of real importance.

14 — Anonymous wrote at 2:54 PM on January 17:

If alive today King may have been another Sharpton or Jessie Jackson. He is certainly not someone to admire or celebrate. King was just a phoney huckster. The programs pushed by him were snakeoil that caused harm to his own people. White suckers lined up at his coolaid stand. Now we are going to have a president peddling the same garbage.Will the suckers ever wake up?

15 — Southerner wrote at 3:28 PM on January 17:

Some years back the black employees at the nuclear facility Savannah River Site in SC complained that whites were not celebrating or taking off for MLK’s birthday. Each employee there had for long time had a floating holiday that they could take whenever he or she wished. Perhaps to please the NAACP which was always suing SRS about black employment numbers in spite of SRS’s anti-white discriminatory affirmative action programs SRS forced all its employees to give up this floating holiday and take off for MLK day – which as you can image enraged a lot of employees.

This was clearly an unconstitutional action for a government site since employees were made to sacrifice something they already had to celebrate or give deference to a political figure. Imagine such a thing to celebrate Gen. Robert E. Lee’s birthday. The Gov. doesn’t have this power or right and at least some employees should have sued SRS – and I think they still can.

It’s disgusting the way blacks push whites around. Bad enough they commit so much crime and cost whites so much in so many ways.

16 — doc holliday wrote at 4:23 PM on January 17:

with respects to johan potgieter, i think history will demonstrate that the “second greatest” american warrior was nathan bedford forrest, followed, closely of course, by thomas stonewall jackson. but i’m biased. i think he was the absolute 19th century epitome of the ancient celtic warrior kings. in fact, i find n.b.f. nudging r.e.lee for top spot. but he wasn’t the strategest lee was and he lacked any formal education whatsoever (but he was an intuitive genius) so old massa robert is safe in the number one spot for now.

17 — Mike wrote at 4:57 PM on January 17:

The Religion of Equality is a polytheist religion and has many gods, King being one of them.

18 — Alucard wrote at 5:51 PM on January 17:

I will say this until the day I die: MLK had himself killed to look like a prophet. Why else would a camera be nice and handy when he was shot. Why wasn’t Jesse Jackson and the other guys running for their lives if MLK was shot right in front of them. No, they just stood there pointing while the photographer got the shot. Just too phony not to have been planned.

19 — David K. Meller wrote at 6:49 PM on January 17:

One must also comment that King’s so-called “nonviolent” tactics characteristic of his demonstrations involved encouraging people to break the law who were already inclined not to be law-abiding.

Did the glamorization of lawbreakers in demonstrations organized by King and his Civil Rightsers, along with corresponding denigration of law enforcement as “racist”—sound familiar—play a part in the veritable tsunami of violent crime by such people and their associates that White society has been plagued by in the years since Kings demise?

There might well be a black crime wave even if King had never existed, but it sounds to me that encouraging people to disobey laws—even “unjust” ones like segregation—who displayed a demonstrated unwillingness to comply with “White Man’s law” in any event, unavoidably led to a social, economic and legal disaster for Americans of both races, and appalling compromise to our quality of life!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

20 — Shawn (the female) wrote at 7:08 PM on January 17:

Not only would the presented facts about MLK’s crudeness, adultery, plagerism, etc., not alter blacks’ opinion of him, they would actually be points of admiration for most. They love the crude sex jokes, foul mouthed speech, and getting away with anything you can. Facts would only elevate the young people’s opinion of the dude.

21 — Anonymous wrote at 9:50 PM on January 17:

To anonymous at 8:39 PM: I dissent, and here’s why:

First, Ryan was really and ultimately trying to show that MLK was not “the best or greatest American,” which, by true American standards, he wasn’t, in light of the facts Ryan has demonstrated.

Second, let’s remember something. White and black existence in the same society shouldn’t have to be a constant misery, so I disagree that MLK was doing what was best for his people by embracing communists/Marxists. What would have been best for blacks is to recognize their place in society without constantly questioning and complaining about it. They are by Nature a servile class, for the most part, and if they would only recognize that, we’d all be a lot happier. (The Old South had it right.)

Instead, MLK stirred the pot and made everyone (including, ultimately, blacks) miserable. I therefore have no respect for this man, as he was a revolutionary against the proper order of Nature.

22 — Schoolteacher wrote at 9:50 PM on January 17:

Doc Holiday, my vote for greatest American warrior is General George Thomas, a Virginian who believed that his oath to the Union took precedence over loyalty to his state. His family renounced him, but his fierce opponent John B.Hood respected his decision. He won his battles without once sending his troops into a slaughter pen, as Lee and Grant and many others did. He did his homework and attacked when he had the advantage. When he did not have the advantage, he was willing and able to receive and defeat Confederate attacks. As a warrior, he was more of a Roman than a Celt. Brave White men are a precious resource that ought not be wasted.

23 — SeenItAllBefore wrote at 11:22 PM on January 17:

I’ve never heard a white person talk about MLK with any real respect, at least not in the real world. It’s just not there. Instead, we all just accept that “we must do this, or the blacks will riot.” Toss in a shrug, & change the subject, because we’re not allowed to talk about THAT.

24 — Ore wrote at 8:40 AM on January 18:

No one else but Jesus has a holiday?

Well there’s also Columbus Day, though no one make as big a deal about it.

25 — Anonymous wrote at 1:38 PM on January 18:

What about all the presidents that had extra-marital affairs?

The fact is that MLK was the greatest black leader ever.

His weaknesses are far over shadowed by his deeds.

26 — flyingtiger wrote at 3:13 PM on January 18:

It was believed at the time MLK was murdered, that the left wingers did it. MLK was becoming an embarrassment to them. While the Black panthers and the white SDS students were causing mayhem, MLK was organizing garbage workers. MLK passed his prime and was clearly on the downhill. It was a simple matter to hire some white guy to kill him. The pattern of escape shows left wing connections. First to Montreal, where the soviets bases their effeorts against the US, then to Europe.
If the right wingers wanted to kill him, they had many chances.
The fact that MLK became a martyre was a bonus. The commies probably thought that he would be forgotten.

27 — ghw wrote at 5:42 PM on January 18:

“I will say this until the day I die: MLK had himself killed to look like a prophet. Why else would a camera be nice and handy when he was shot?[…] Just too phony not to have been planned.”
Posted by Alucard
………………………….
You have an interesting theory there, ‘though I really cannot see King as being that self-sacrificing. Hardly! Frankly, I doubt he had HIMSELF killed. I just can’t picture it. It’s not in character.

However, for OTHERS to have him killed… well now, that’s quite another thing. Hmmm. Interesting thought indeed. That final act really gave his legend a tremendous boost.

And I don’t mean “others” (i.e. blacks) in his immediate circle, but higher up (e.g. his communist managers and string-pullers). As other posters (Conan) have said above, he had already served his purpose and was on the verge of becoming an embarrassment and a liability. His many skeletons were threatening to burst out of the closet. This inept fool could only be managed for so long before the uncomfortable facts got out.

Alive, he would become an albatross; but dead, he would be a martyr.

And that is what he is today — a martyr and a saint — not only in the USA, but venerated around the world as one of the Twentieth Century’s great heroes, and perhaps America’s greatest man. (!!!)

Yes, he served his purpose well. But I don’t think he ever had a clue.

28 — Alexandra wrote at 8:57 PM on January 18:

Isn’t it funny how the civil rights movement and the feminist movement go hand in hand? Blacks claim white oppression keeps them down, feminists claim male dominance keeps women down.

The races are not equal, the genders are not equal—hey, no two people are equal! Equal in human worth and equal before the law, yes, but other than that, forget it.

29 — Antranick23 wrote at 12:37 AM on January 19:

When i was a kid (i’m 32) he was a good guy. However, as the years went by his “greatness” increased to the point where he is now worshiped as a deity (who will no doubt be replaced by the new living deity). seriously, this guy “had a dream” and did what, EXACTLY? these fanatics claim greatness in these people but when confronted with legitimate questions as to exactly what they have done only anger spews from their mouths. try it out and you’ll see what i’m talking about.

30 — Anonymous wrote at 1:50 AM on January 19:

I spent my childhood watching monsters like Kennedy and Johnson destroying our Nation. So it was almost fun to read King’s filthy comment about Jacqueline Kennedy kneeling before her husband’s coffin. ‘Filthy’, actually, may be an inadequate word for that quip. It turns my stomach, particularly coming from a ‘minister’.

In Louisiana, this time of year, we have ‘King Cakes’. More and more people are sarcastically renaming them ‘Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Cakes’….though not in mixed company, of course… The cakes and the ‘holiday’ do coincide. So why not make merry honoring the greatest man who ever lived, with a sweet treat, while our world crumbles around us? Just hope you don’t get the piece with the black plastic baby doll baked into it.

31 — dwupya wrote at 8:23 AM on January 19:

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. Dissent and freedom of speech is that which this country was built on. Reading this sad commentary makes me feel like the Native American in the 60’s commercial with a tear running down his face as he watched our country being polluted. Feel good about demeaning a man’s legacy, people with these attitudes you can only hope die off in time, but probably not. As with God and the tenants of life, we know the truth will be revealed. Until then satisfy your hate with accusations but as Barack says: “change is coming to America”

32 — Ted wrote at 9:16 AM on January 19:

After he spoke in my home town a race riot broke out.
He never apologized. He never took responsibility.
I remember miles of stores boarded up.
He spoke there again two years later.
The same thing happened.

33 — Uniculturalist wrote at 10:26 AM on January 19:

No one else but Jesus has a holiday?

Well there’s also Columbus Day, though no one make as big a deal about it.

You obviously didn’t read the article closely. It says, “similar holiday.” Most people nowadays don’t even celebrate Columbus Day, but Comrade King gets a high holy day which you and I disregard at our peril.

Samuel Francis once observed that MLK Day is the only one anymore that anyone observes in the actual spirit of the occasion. It just goes to show you how much power the Civil Rights lobby wields in this country.

34 — Ken wrote at 11:11 AM on January 19:

My impression would be that many of the quotes attributed to MLK in this article are also plagiarized.
I really do not feel that MLK was capable of that degree of literacy or complex thought.

35 — Sardonicus wrote at 12:06 PM on January 19:

-Communist Affiliations- MLK used them to advance his agenda. This is what mattered to Southern Blacks. I don’t know what benefits the Commies got from MLK, but MLK certainly got much help from them. This was typical of many Black men who became Communists. They got money, sex, prestige, and other goodies, but they never did much in return. Anomymous

One of the keystones of communist propaganda was the exploitation of blacks by racist America. Of course, nothing of the sort went on in the Soviet Union, where all races and peoples were equal under communism. I believe some red propagandists thought of blacks as the new proletarian vanguard of a black socialist revolution. The Soviet denouncement of American racism was also of value for relations with the Third World. Yes, from a propaganda point of view, communists benefited in supporting black communists in white countries.
The best example is probably Paul Robeson.

36 — BonBon wrote at 12:08 PM on January 19:

Thoughts on MLK’s birthday:

Remember this hypocritical ‘man of the cloth’ forcefully lectured Whites to ‘judge people by the content of their characters’?

Yet HIS character is that of a plagiarizer, adulterer, batterer, charlatan and fraud. Why should we not judge him as well?

I’d rather celebrate Dolly Parton’s birthday today—in fact, I’d rather see a monument to Dolly Parton in Washington rather than one dedicated to a Communist, lair and fraud.

Bon


37 — flyingtiger wrote at 12:39 PM on January 19:

I cannot help reflect on how worthless MLK was. For arguement’s sake, lets say he was not an adulter, communist and a good christian. So what did he achieve? He helped get the 1964 civilrights bill passed and made a few speeches. He was just a lobbyist. He is not worthy of a national holiday. Period.
Now Thomas Edison contributed so much to the world that was positive. So did the Wright brothers. These are the people that should be honored.

38 — Jim wrote at 1:35 PM on January 19:

You hateful, evil people make me ashamed to be white!

39 — Conan wrote at 1:55 PM on January 19:

“I spent my childhood watching monsters like Kennedy”

How was JFK a monster and how did he destory the country exactly?

He was clearly uninterested in the “civil rights” movement and was totally against the federal reserve.

40 — Soprano Fan wrote at 2:29 PM on January 19:

To Sardonicus:

Interesting that you mention Paul Robeson. They renamed a Chicago public high school after him, some 25 years ago. The man was a bootlicker for Joseph Stalin and among the most useful of idiots.

You are spot-on about Soviet denouncement of “racism” in the USA being a propaganda tactic for supporting “anticolonialism” in Africa; but please bear in mind that this was the pronouncement of the Soviet Communist Party, and in no way reflected how the average Soviet citizen felt.

In fact, the Russian Ivan and Ivanova citizen has as much use for Bantus in the Russia, as an Eskimo has for a lawn mower. My father was born in Byelorussia (now Belarus), and his attitude towards King and Bantus would make Archie Bunker blush. American blacks are attracted toward socialism, with its promises of wealth distribution and “equality”.

41 — G.T. wrote at 4:00 PM on January 19:

Great article . 99% of the population does not know the real story.

42 — Kwaku Minta wrote at 4:40 PM on January 19:

Give me a break! So MLK Jr. was a less-than-perfect man. Big deal. (And I’m not saying this because I’m black.) People here are quick to give everlasting praise to the American icons likes of Theodore Roosevelt, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and John Quincy Adams. But when equally patriotic American figures like Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy and, yes, Martin Luther King, Jr., are given high regard, the wolves come out of the woodwork and work overtime to dig up any and all flaws, shortcomings and skeletons that individual might have in his closet; simply because whatever they did or stood for contradicted the ideologies and views of yesteryear.

And although some people will deny it to their dying breath, DNA tests have concluded that America’s quintessential Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson, MOST LIKELY DID have an affair with his slave, Sally Hemming; producing mulattoes in the process But I don’t recall this website (or any other supposedly pro-white forum base) ever publishing an article about Jefferson’s infidelity. Why so much slack on King? Oh, I get it! Criticizing a man who did supposedly inflicted so much damage to white America is okay on this website. But to expose the imperfections of one of America’s greatest heroes is somehow detrimental to America’s self-image, am I right?

Only a fool would think that any man or woman is perfect. The church sex scandals in recent years demonstrates how God-like perfection is too high a standard for even some religious people. So in the end, King, Jr., like the rest of us, was all too human. But is it right of any of you to demonize him like he’s a spawn of Satan? Like the Good Book says, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

43 — Anonymous wrote at 4:50 PM on January 19:

MLK’s background in hardly unusual for a high profile black, in fact, it is quite normal.

44 — White is Beautiful Robert wrote at 5:10 PM on January 19:

M.A.R.T.I.N. L.U.T.H.E.R. K.I.N.G. = “Marxist Advanced Revolution To Impugn Nation’s Liberties Until Textbooks Hate Euro-american Rights/Knowledge Influencing Nation’s Greatness!”

Yes, Human rights is a by-product of Anglo-Americans and their biblical roots/heritage. Unfortunately, the leftists would rather give the credit to their “Multiculturalism” in their haste to become effectively illiterate.

45 — A critical thinker wrote at 5:15 PM on January 19:

In the first printing of Ralph Abernathy’s autobiography, And the Walls Came Tumbling Down, you can read the story of King’s last night on Earth, and how he went to bed with two different women, one early in the evening at a (Black) minister friend’s house and one later in his hotel room, and then how he had a physical fight with a third girlfriend in the morning, actually hitting her.

But in a later printing, the King family got them to take the page out of the text, so it does not appear in the later printings.

Apparently, while White people are to be relentlessly criticized and blamed for everything, Black leaders are to be spared any and all criticism. This is true in general: Many Blacks are good at blaming everything on Whites, but appear incapable of honest self-assessment and real self-criticism. Which is too bad, for self-criticism is the first step to self-improvement,

46 — John wrote at 5:22 PM on January 19:

I am a black american who came across this site quite by accident.I support your right and the rights of others to freedom of speech.I have no doubt that many of the things said about Dr King are correct but it should also be noted that many of the greatest white Americans were very flawed individuals.People like Thomas Jefferson and J F Kennedy and many others would not stand much scrutiny in todays media,John.

47 — Greg wrote at 8:13 PM on January 19:

One of the most disgusting lies of the civil rights leaders is that it was africans in slavery who started and built our nation here in America. This is historically incorrect. The very first slaves in America were european Christians who were poor. They built this nation prior to the trans atlantic slave trade. Also at the time of the trans atlantic slave trade there were over 1 million european Christians who were taken to be slaves in Africa. These truths are supported by tons of documentation, but are often never told by liberals who wish to tell half truths to gain power over Christian white folks. I got links to many sources, including ivy league institutions that have scanned documents which proves these two things are true but are conveniently never told about. The european Christians being sold into slavery in Africa at the time that africans were being sold in the trans atlantic slave trade can be found by searching for “slavery in the Babary states” using Google search engine.

48 — Whiteplight wrote at 8:19 PM on January 19:

Thomas Jefferson and J F Kennedy and many others would not stand much scrutiny in todays media,John.

Posted by John at 5:22 PM on January 19

Thomas Jefferson and JFK were not communists and they did not support orgies and civil violence in the name of freedom. They wrote their own scripts too. I bet Ghandi has turned in his grave many times, whatching his words being used like that by a man who did not once go on a hunger strike or follow his religion as Ghandi did. Ghandi wanted democracy, not communism.

As for that old Jefferson/Sally Hemmings story, scientists can only say that a Jefferson seems to have fathered at least one of Sally Hemmings children. The children were later freed and appeared White by all accounts. As for Sally herself;

“Among the unresolved matters is the genealogy of Sally Hemings. According to Madison Hemings, Sally’s mother, Elizabeth Hemings (1735-1807), was the daughter of an African woman and an English sea captain. By Madison’s and other accounts, Sally Hemings and some of her siblings were the children of John Wayles, Thomas Jefferson’s father-in-law. If so, Sally Hemings would have been the half-sister of Jefferson’s wife, Martha Wayles Jefferson (1748-1782). Elizabeth Hemings and her children lived at John Wayles’ plantation during his lifetime, but there are no documentary records relating to Wayles’ possible paternity of any Hemings children.”

It seems that Sally may have been available to a number of Jeffersons. Also, given the nature of the relationships as recorded, it was not a situation of many rapes, but something else and much friendlier. Jefferson’s daughers denied his parenthood and they lived with Jefferson when he was in France with Sally Hemmings as his servant. But whatever it was, it does not compare to JFK and Marilyn Monroe or Bill Clinton. (It always seems to be leftists that can’t control their passions).

However, the reason for this was not to proof that all men “mess around.” It was used as part of the drive to discredit America’s founders and hero’s. In that way, Washington and Lincoln’s birthday were able to be eliminated and replaced with MLK day. It has been done to the point that you feel confident in saying that many White American leaders have been very flawed individuals. And your proof is only a generality that has been the result of every case that could be found being repeatedly aired on public television or some other media in that same effort to foul our nations history - unless it is Black. And again, not one of these flawed leaders, not even George Armstrong Custer or Robert E. Lee - were communists wishing to overthrow the Republic. (Seperating the states is different from conspiring for communism).

Finally, your comment is a common ploy aimed at leveling or equalizing the issue so that no one can make a point. This is a Marxist inspired strategy based on the false idea that all opinions are equal and that a point may therefore be cancelled by opposing it with the exact opposite argument. That none of the White Ameicans were either communists or Christian ministers, along with much else cancels your argument.

You merely wish to excuse a man who has benefited your race and perhaps you in particular because you are Black. That is racism, John, not a fair and just argument.

49 — Robert wrote at 8:34 PM on January 19:

It is common knowledge that blacks, (Africans), have lower IQs. Black African scolars have even admitted this, so why would we expect black role models to be up to white standards?

If whites were not so eagar to pander to blacks, and blacks wanting to be pandered to, their would be no MLK day, no Obama President.

It’s time we all grow up, wake up and smell the coffee… then start working together to protect our individual rights and to rebuild America.

50 — myth buster wrote at 8:53 PM on January 19:

1. I’m not surprise that some retards believe what the white supremacist Hoover and his goons have said about King. Where’s the audio or video tape that The FBI claim to have on Dr. King?

2. If he plagiarized some of his work, his degrees would’ve been revoked before and after he became world known.

3. HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF WHITE PEOPLE. They’re to ignorant and/or don’t care to understand that they are too sick with the belief that they’re better than anyone else because of their skin color. The entire human family point of origin springs forth from BLACK PEOPLE. THUS if you hate your point of origin, kill yourself.

4. The writer of this artilcle along with his intellectual pygmies(supporters)should spend their energy fighting - “THE PEOPLE”(1.5-2% of WEALTHY WHITE MALES THAT CONTROL THE ECONOMIC,SOCIO,POLITICAL,RELIGION of GOOD OL USA). They’re responsible for the past and curent problems that The USA faces, not Dr.King!!!

Have a blessed day…

51 — Jake G. wrote at 9:11 PM on January 19:

“I am a black american who came across this site quite by accident.I support your right and the rights of others to freedom of speech.I have no doubt that many of the things said about Dr King are correct but it should also be noted that many of the greatest white Americans were very flawed individuals.People like Thomas Jefferson and J F Kennedy and many others would not stand much scrutiny in todays media,John.”

JFK and Thomas Jefferson did not profess to be a man who represented God, which King did.King was looking out for the blacks only, and those that followed in his footsteps..Jesse Jackson, Sharpton have done nothing constructive for the human race, unlike JFK and Thomas Jefferson, who contributed.

52 — browser wrote at 9:18 PM on January 19:

“I am a black american who came across this site quite by accident.I support your right and the rights of others to freedom of speech….”
— — — — —

Thank you, John. You sound like a reasonable person.

But I must point out that those other Americans you mention do not have national holidays dedicated to their honor, which is the occasion we’re “celebrating” today and the topic of this thread. So you’re comparing apples and oranges.

Nor was a person such as Jefferson, despite his human weaknesses, anywhere so depraved and flawed as King. There is simply no comparison!

53 — Anonymous wrote at 10:01 PM on January 19:

Most of the comments on here lack intelligence, a sincere effort to find the truth, and are hypocritical and disgusting. None of you people are in any moral position to judge anyone. Who killed and maimed the millions…yes millions of Native Americans? Who killed the millions…yes millions of Africans throughout the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and who got 400 years of free labor to build the wealth of the US? Who sanctioned and legitimized these things?

If the FBI had tracked and recorded all of your so-called great white leaders (or anyone here for that matter), I’m pretty sure you would have nothing to say…what would be revealed? Even if MLK did all the things as claimed, it doesn’t discount his intent and good deeds. I personally don’t agree with all of his tactics, but has it ever occurred to you that oppression and the corrupt system will produce resistance? Laws?..laws for who and at the detriment to who? Back then, African Americans weren’t even respected as equal or human and you expect them to follow the ‘rule of law’…come on people…get realistic.

Furthermore, while MLK advocated non-violence, in his last days he was also coming together and forming ties with the likes of Malcolm X. In my opinion, this was the real ‘threat’…a unified leadership of blacks across the spectrum.

And to the guy who said that blacks are a servile class, study history buddy and stop hating yourself and your fellow man. Blacks are the original people of the earth…all colors come from black…as the bible says ‘from darkness comes the light’…blacks are the founders of civilization…so if you want to talk about plagirism, look in the mirror first…and start with your own Bible, whose stories derived from ancient africa and kmt (egypt). Enough lies. Its time for humanity to recognize that we all have a place based on common respect and acknowledgement of differences and acceptance of dealing with reciprocity. Very simple.

54 — moe wrote at 10:57 PM on January 19:

King also meet many times with Elisha Muhammad the founder of the Nation of Islam, here is a website that shows King meeting with Elisha and the discussion about white people, he tells Elisha that all white people may not all be devils, but they are all from the same stock. http://www.muhammadspeaks.com/MLK,JJ,MalX.html

55 — For crying out loud wrote at 10:57 PM on January 19:

Just like slavery, the man’s dead already. While we keep worrying about the past and what he started, there are fresh agendas on the horizon. Are we to be blinded by this distraction too. These facts have been rehashed to make us bicker on who deserves a national holiday. If we don’t keep our eyes on the prize our current freedoms, whats left of them will be gone too. As I speak, the economy is being driven into the ground, our nutrional literacy is being stolen(the right to take vitamins) and our rigts to bear arms.People lets figth for the here and now

56 — Anonymous wrote at 11:08 PM on January 19:

John at 5:22pm

The point is not that white men of renown in the past were not flawed. They most surely were. The point is that they persevered and had true accomplishment worthy of note.

57 — Edward Lopez wrote at 11:17 PM on January 19:

A point that is never mentioned is that MLK was just as bad as white slave owners because, being a religious leader, he kept the black people that supported him tied to the chains of religion which achieves nothing but keep people as slaves to religious myth. If he had any serious education he would have seen the foibles of religion, the falsity, the mental conditioning required to keep believers under control. He would have earned even more respect, real respect, if he had worked to free the black people from the chains of religion. Freedom from religion would have resulted in progress. Religion resulted in the Jonestown massacre. There is no difference between MLK followers and Jones followers.

58 — Anonymous wrote at 11:32 PM on January 19:

King may have been a total SOB, but for a short time during the I have a dream speech, God used him as his voice. Lets not forget moses was not allowed into the promised land.

59 — satanist wrote at 11:37 PM on January 19:

well john, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and it is true many ‘great whites’ have also had unsavory characters, i just don’t know that many whites hold any white heroes in as high an esteem as blacks hold MLK.

60 — Cat Callahan wrote at 11:41 PM on January 19:

I am old enough to remember how badly Blacks were treated until the late 1960s when things began to change. Blacks have their own subculture and have a different ‘take’ on things than whites do. Not better. Not worse. Just different. When you are a slave and your wife could be sold on an auction block at any time, you learn to accept infidelity as a way of survival. And that is only one example how black values evolved that were different. I was somewhat upset about what I read here about MLK, but we have to give someone under all his pressure some understandings and concessions.

61 — Anonymous wrote at 11:49 PM on January 19:

I like Martin Luther King, Jr. and I celebrate his greatness. I am white and he speaks for me too. I have been to the American south and worked down there for years and there is a deep racism that still lingers in the south like a disease. I don’t really care about his personal habits and I think the greater message that lives through him is the consideration of all human beings as people, brothers and sisters, no matter what they look like…We live on a fragile earth with a fragile humility when we have some education about the whole wide world around us….keep learning new things people…

62 — Dr. Caligari wrote at 12:33 AM on January 20:

Dissent and freedom of speech is that which this country was built on.

Posted by dwupya at 8:23 AM on January 19

Just as long as the dissent and freedom of speech is in
complience with Leftist ideology , correct ?

63 — Frosteetoes wrote at 12:44 AM on January 20:

I was quite young at the time but my mother told me that when I was a baby my father was up for a job with the FBI in some position with them and while out drinking with the FBI guys they discussed what a cheater he was. This article is not the fist time I have heard about MLK adultery. Other than that I really don’t have any opinion of him one way or another.

64 — The Architect wrote at 1:15 AM on January 20:

Dr. King was the governments ultimate weapon against the black economy. That’s why he was killed. Most people are not familiar with the reconstruction program (implemented after the civil war), which was essentially reparations (which many blacks to this day believe to have never been made). The Greenwood section of Tulsa, OK (an all black city which was built with “reconstruction” money) was bombed and destroyed in 1921 by envious whites. By 1927, the city and it’s businesses were rebuilt. The newly formed NAACP was sent to Tulsa to convince the blacks NOT to patronize their own businesses, stating that they would feel better by being around white people (the very same people that had destroyed their homes and lively hoods).

This type of policy would not be tolerated by blacks…and neither would a growing black economy be tolerated by the government. The only recourse was to find a way to galvanize black America into a belief system that would actually have them losing their ability to do for self, while thinking they were gaining something (welfare, voting, eating at any Micky D’s…feel me).

Enter Martin Luther King. The government needed King to be the force of “togetherness”. At the time the (60’s), the only person that could have brought millions of blacks together would have been a black, southern, baptist minister. Rev. King.

I need not go any further.

65 — MoMo wrote at 2:15 AM on January 20:

“it should also be noted that many of the greatest white Americans were very flawed individuals.People like Thomas Jefferson and J F Kennedy and many others would not stand much scrutiny in todays media,John.”

John

Jefferson and Kennedy have been well scrutinized in today’s media. King has not been and will not be as he is black.

MoMo


66 — jock wrote at 1:05 PM on January 20:

The author of this article is a joke. The man “MLK” was just that “a man”. His significance comes in the exemplary leadership of a powerful movement in America whose time had come. Please also write an article exspounding on the various white leaders whom had issues with adultery, capitalism, slavery, rascism and Christianity.

67 — DJ wrote at 1:54 PM on January 20:

I so enjoy this site, where I can come and find enlightening educational points of view, perceptions, and truths. Do we as a nation even know truths anymore? From all my experience in life
it seems to me that it’s the blacks that have kept racism alive, well and thriving. So many movies made about their slavery, so
much on TV continues to keep it alive and every black person
I’ve ever known has this mind set about “The White Man” and how
they’ve all been suppressed by Him and they are owed and it’s
exactly that mindset that is contributing to the destruction of this country. By the way, here’s a truth for you. Our new president is not African American, HE’S MULATTO, his father wasn’t a citizen of this country and there’s cause to believe he
isn’t either. But he’s president now, for me, it’s a very sad
day and I’m ashamed of a country that has been so blinded by
the media, the hype and the lies. Good Bye United States, Hello
1930’s!!!!!

68 — Anonymous wrote at 2:48 PM on January 20:

Having seen in the course of my life the near total elimination of the (non-governmental) Black middle class and its economic base since forced desegregation in Birmingham, I think The Architect may be on to something. Note also that compulsory government schools are as segregated now as in the early Sixties. No one sends a child there except by necessity, force of custom, or ideological commitment. The last days of “separate but equal” should be carefully studied and the great achievements of the Black community and their sacrifices made known to their progeny. Current conditions in the classroom would not bear the comparison. “Progress” would be unmasked as cultural regression for all the peoples of the city. The Black Muslims show considerable awareness of this trajectory; the Civil Rights leadership show none, as far as I can see.

69 — Cassiodorus wrote at 4:28 PM on January 20:

“And although some people will deny it to their dying breath, DNA tests have concluded that America’s quintessential Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson, MOST LIKELY DID have an affair with his slave, Sally Hemming; producing mulattoes in the process “

You’re wrong, of course, as the scientists who conducted the study state in very plain English:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95000747

“Eugene Foster, who organized the tests, acknowledged that the results did not point to the then 64-year-old Thomas Jefferson any more than to his much younger brother, Randolph, or for that matter any of Randolph’s five sons.”

Note also that the plural, “mulattoes,” is also wrong, as only one Hemings child was fathered by a male Jefferson; Jefferson paternity was disproved absolutely for the others, though their descendants continue to press their discredited claim.


“But I don’t recall this website (or any other supposedly pro-white forum base) ever publishing an article about Jefferson’s infidelity”

Are you familiar with the concept of an editorial mission? AR does not exist to publish bad things about American politicians, even if those things are true. In any case you’re clearly unfamiliar with this site, as the Jefferson case has been discussed ad nauseam. If the discussions here don’t suit you, you can go just about anywhere to hear Jefferson, Madison and the rest attacked, as slandering America’s founders has become more than a cottage industry.

“Criticizing a man who did supposedly inflicted so much damage to white America is okay on this website.”

Partly correct, except for 1)the adverb “supposedly” and 2)the underlying assumption that King was something other than a figurehead in the “movement” associated with him. King couldn’t write his own term papers or dissertation; he was hardly capable of destroying constitutional order on his own. But the black power political movement whose totem King was was of course a catastrophe for white people. The destruction of traditional freedoms, the burden of “affirmative action” and kindred programs, the sprawling, savage urban ghettos, the ever-growing areas of “America” into which whites may not venture for fear of their lives: these are the legacies of “Dr.” King and his handlers. So yes, we tend to be harder on those who destroy the country than on those who created it.

70 — Anonymous wrote at 5:04 PM on January 20:

You are wrong to say AR didn’t address the Hemings myth. May I direct you to the June 2001 issue and the article entitled Rescuing Jefferson?

Where ignorance is bliss, ‘tis folly to be wise.

71 — AstonMartin wrote at 6:56 PM on January 20:

Whenever I hear the nauseating speeches of this communist thug, I am reminded of the simple yet succinct message of Gov. George Wallace: “segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever”.

If only the white people of this nation had heeded that advice.

72 — BonBon wrote at 7:22 PM on January 20:

“…1. I’m not surprise (sic) that some retards believe what the white supremacist Hoover and his goons have said about King…”

Myth Buster indeed.

The much vilified Mr. Hoover, who built up the best law enforcement agency in the world, did not order the wire taps. According to Sam Francis:

“…it was John and Robert Kennedy who authorized the FBI surveillance of King—because the ‘civil rights leader’ was associating with known communists and because he even went so far as to lie to President Kennedy to his face about having broken his links with one of them…”

http://www.vdare.com/francis/rename_fbi_building.htm

“…Where’s the audio or video tape that The FBI claim (sic) to have on Dr. King?…”

“…Meanwhile, Sen. Helms, with legal assistance from the Conservative Caucus, filed suit in federal court to obtain the release of FBI surveillance tapes on King that had been sealed by court order until the year 2027….The Reagan Justice Department opposed this action, and on October 18, U.S. District Judge John Lewis Smith, Jr. refused to release the King files, which remain sealed to this day…”

Why do you think the Justice Department won’t release the tapes?

Again from Sam Francis:

“…from retired FBI official, Charles D. Brennan. Mr. Brennan, who had served as Assistant Director of the FBI, stated that he had personally been involved in the FBI surveillance of King and knew from first-hand observation the truth about King’s… conduct, Mr. Brennan acknowledged:

It is there in the form of transcripts, recordings, photos and logs. It is there in great quantity. There are volumes of material labeled ‘obscene.’ Future historians just will not be able to avoid it…”

http://www.vdare.com/francis/050226_king_holiday.htm

I strongly suspect that at some point the tapes will simply disappear.

“…2. If he plagiarized some of his work, his degrees would’ve been revoked before and after he became world known…”

That MLK plagiarized a lot of his work is not in dispute. If he were White, his degrees would have been revoked:

“…Theodore Pappas, in a article in Chronicles written before the WSJ article, compares sections of King’s thesis in detail with that of Jack Boozer, showing for the first time the enormous extent of King’s plagiarism….”

“…Charles Babington in the New Republic reveals how several American newspapers (Washington Post, New York Times, Atlanta Journal Constitution and the New Republic) had the story since at least Spring 1990), but either out of ineptitude or political correctness did nothing with it…”

AND:

“…A Boston University committee reports that while 45% of the first half and 21% of the second half of King’s thesis was plagiarized, it was still an original contribution to scholarship, and his degree should not be revoked. The true extent of King’s plagiarism is much greater…”

http://www.martinlutherking.org/plagiarism.html

http://www.martinlutherking.org/chronology.html

Feel free to present your own facts and figures disputing Dr. Theodore Pappas, Sam Francis, Charles Babington, Boston University, FBI official Charles D. Brennan and other scholars who have exposed MLK (at great risk to themselves) for the fraud that he is.

“…They’re to (sic) ignorant and/or don’t care to understand that they are too sick with the belief that they’re better than anyone else because of their skin color…”

Why don’t you enlighten us ‘ignorant’ Whites as to how wrong we are about blacks in general and MLK in particular.

I also hope you have a blessed day—and that you enjoy and appreciate the White inventions all around you starting with the computer you are using.

Bon

73 — ghw wrote at 8:16 AM on January 21:

“Also, given the nature of the relationships as recorded, it was not a situation of many rapes, but something else and much friendlier. Jefferson’s daughers denied his parenthood and they lived with Jefferson when he was in France with Sally Hemmings as his servant. “

Thank you, Whiteplight. Let me add that when in France, Sally and her brother received wages and were treated as servants, not slaves. And when they were about to return to America, Sally was offered her freedom and the opportunity to remain in France. BUT SHE CHOSE TO RETURN to Virginia with Jefferson. She remained with him BY CHOICE, and he took care of her for the rest of his life.

ally was not only 3/4th white, she was also the half-sister of his dead wife, so he must have seen a strong resemblance in her, causing at least some afection whether or not it became intimate. It would have been inconceivable, out of the question, in the social atmosphere of their day, for him to consider marrying her. If indeed there was any personal relationship, is was long-term, quiet, and mutually affectionate — not violent or abusive (or we would have heard rumors about it), as well as extremely discrete. It was so discrete, indeed, that there is no certainty of it even to this day, only speculation.

King’s one night stands, on the other hand, were with prostitutes, were violent, were debauched, and were with several a night; and there wasn’t a shred of discretion or decency about them, nor of mutual respect and caring. A further point is that Jefferson was not a man of the cloth like King, nor even religious, and he never pretended to be a model of religious virtue, whereas King was an ordained minister who contradicted everything he preached.

“However, the reason for this was not to prove that all men “mess around.” It was used as part of a drive to discredit America’s founders and hero’s. In that manner, Washington and Lincoln’s birthdays were able to be eliminated and replaced with MLK Day.”

This is a very good explication of what it was really all about. There was a motive and an agenda buried in the Jefferson-Hemmings story and in all the amazing publicity it received. It was not suddenly resurrected from out of the blue by accident.

Lastly, regarding the (very tired) Sally Hemmings allegations: “A 1998 DNA study concluded that there was a DNA link between Sally’s son Eston Hemings and the male Jefferson line. It did not conclusively prove that Jefferson himself was the ancestor.” [Wikipedia]

74 — BonBon wrote at 9:08 AM on January 21:

“…Martin Luther King, Jr., are given high regard, the wolves come out of the woodwork and work overtime to dig up any and all flaws, shortcomings and skeletons that individual might have in his closet; simply because whatever they did or stood for contradicted the ideologies and views of yesteryear….”

Not True.

Where else but HERE and a very few other Internet sites would one find an article that ‘digs up any and all flaws.’ of MLK?

MLK, unlike America’s Founding Fathers, has been given an utter pass—his plagiarism covered up, his communist ties hidden, his foul-mouthed comments about JFK never mentioned.

Read a high school textbook lately?

MLK is given extraordinary amounts of coverage, his plagiarized speeches required reading and study, hours and days are devoted solely to worshipping this fraud at the expense of studying how this country was founded (and it was neither founded nor built by or on the backs of slaves).

The ignorance of the Rule of Law, economics, monetary systems, freedoms is astounding—and the government-controlled schools and media are to blame. How else would a racist, far-left Socialist be elected president of the United States?

Not one bad word about MLK, ever, is written in any K-12 textbook. One would repeat the information in this article at grave risk to one’s career—but excoriating the Founding Fathers (they’re just a bunch of Dead White Men) has become quite fashionable.

Yes, let the truth be known (while we still can that is).

Bon

75 — Alyssa wrote at 12:26 PM on January 21:

I’m in my Social Science class at the moment, and we are doing an internet worksheet on some of the events in MLKs life. I came across this website while trying to locate MLK’s theory that he wanted people to use against oppression, and after reading this page, I’m discussted. Although he didn’t stand for martital rights, a man of his stature should not treat women the way he does. He’s just sterotyping African American’s even more. There are a lot of people who would be horrified with what has done, and I know they’ll second guess him being a huge roll model. Everyon makes mistakes, but degrading women in that manner in unexceptable. Especially if your a married and commited man with children.

76 — Anonymous wrote at 11:22 PM on January 21:

Sometimes blacks are more racist than whites. Why should we honor a communist here in America, one that hated God and the Bible?

77 — Anonymous wrote at 1:10 AM on January 22:

Martin Luther King, Jr’s plagiarism is very disturbing.I first came across the story in 2007,by accident. I was stunned;I was disappointed.I had grown up with very liberal ideas,and had always accepted the “myth” of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.So, I took no joy in learning about the man’s nearly life-long pattern of lying and deceit.

As a previous poster has already pointed out, King’s plagiarism has been verified by Stanford University and acknowleged by Boston University.Yet, this very legitimate and significant news story continues—for the most part—to go unreported in the mainstream press.

All leaders have flaws;but what’s so troubling about MLK’S plagiarism is that it puts into question his basic integrity. I consoled myself by thinking,”well,he still died for what he believed in.” Now I’m not so sure,I wonder.If almost everything you say and write is “borrowed”,then what do you really believe in?

78 — Idomeneo wrote at 10:06 AM on January 23:

It isn’t the man we to praise but what the man represented, that we, as Americans, should stand up and fight for the liberty of those that can not.

79 — sade miller wrote at 12:06 PM on January 23:

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80 — Alex wrote at 4:05 PM on January 23:

I grew up in a small town in Western PA. We had many black neighbors and I had friends and went to school with many blacks. We had neighbors across the field in front of our house who were very active in the NAACP. When King began his marches, etc. they came out and said, “He’s ruining everything we’ve been working for.” I recall that after he was assassinated this information was brought out. So, it’s nothing new. A lot of people, both black and white, thought that Coretta should get an award for putting up with his behavior.

81 — Lenben wrote at 2:37 AM on January 24:

PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THESE FACTS. MLK was no saint. In fact, it is very questionable whether he actually believed AND PREACHED the fundamental and historic TRUTHS of the Christian Faith. That he was very zealous to obtain equal rights for his race is undeniable. and his desire to keep “black rage” in check via the concept of nonviolent resistance is admirable. but MLK,Jr, failed in many ways personally in his moral life and in his desire to IMPROVE the ACHIEVEMENTS of the black community as fathers, as citizens, and as business people.
Some ways he was a hero; but a very flawed hero. … but then: so was JFK and FDR.

82 — Kwaku Minta wrote at 9:42 AM on January 24:

To everyone who responded to my post,

Contrary to what you may think, I’m not defending King’s actions. (If they’re true, that is.) If King was indeed a communist, a womanizer and plagiarist, that bit of truth should see the light of day; as should other unpleasant truths about American icons who are held in high esteem. Benjamin Franklin, for his discovery of electricity, was supposedly a flirt and fathered an illegitimate child. (You can click on to http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2005/mar/franklin061605.html for the information) If this alleged piece of history were exposed as true, does it lessen Franklin’s greatness as one of America’s Founding Fathers?

When I say that King was a “less than perfect” man, all that I’m implying that he may have made decisions and aligned himself with people that, he thought at least, seemed to be the right thing to do. But time would show that those choices were wrong. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions; history is chunk full of examples of people doing seemingly the right thing that latter turned out to be disastrous in the long run. King is no different as far as I’m concerned.

Ultimately, I don’t support Martin Luther King, Jr., the man. I do support his overall message of equal treatment and fairness under U.S. law; something that was denied to blacks and other non-white American citizens for far too long. Segregation and Jim Crow were unconstitutional because it gave the government the power to make demands upon its citizens that were never granted by the writers of the Constitution. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas stated in the decision of Missouri v. Jenkins (1995) that, “It is a fundamental truth that the Government cannot discriminate among its citizens on the basis of race… . Racial isolation itself is not a harm; only state-enforced segregation is.”

MLK’s legacy will be viewed and interpreted from one perspective to another in the years ahead. But for all the bad things King did, I, as an American, would like to think that the message of equality in human worth (not equality in human ability) and equality under the law are self-evident truths that we, as Americans, should strive for. That, in my opinion, is King’s ultimate legacy — and the legacy of America’s Founders.

Have a nice day!

83 — BonBon wrote at 10:56 AM on January 24:

“…I, as an American, would like to think that the message of equality in human worth (not equality in human ability) and equality under the law are self-evident truths that we, as Americans, should strive for…”

We here on AmRen couldn’t agree with you more and you have pointed out exactly why we believe that government policies such as racial preferences in hiring and college admissions, and any and all AA should be abolished immediately as they explicitly discriminate against Whites in general and White males in particular.

Does this not violate equality under the law? How is it equality when better-qualified Whites are passed over or locked out of jobs, admissions, scholarships and promotions in favor of lesser-qualified NAMs? Why does equal treatment under the law apply to every racial/ethnic group EXCEPT Whites?

That the very flawed MLK stood up for his people to demand equal treatment is not in dispute and was (is) obviously the correct course of action.

Equality, of course, does not mean dominance over or suppression of Whites which is what has come out of the so-called Civil Rights movement—or as Whites point out: ‘Civil Rights for all but Whites.’

Why is it, we Whites ask, when WE advocate and promote for our people, especially in these anti-White, PC-enforced times, we are called every name for racist and Nazi, our careers threatened, the ACLU, NAACP, the Justice Department sicced on us to accuse us of hate speech or hate crimes?

It is the hypocrisy of government policies that we strongly object to—policies that vilify Whites, openly discriminate against Whites in academia and the job market, and allow other groups to spew vitriol and hatred at us with immunity

Who speaks for us? Who speaks for Whites? What highly-funded advocacy group or organization can Whites turn to when they are discriminated against?

Are you beginning to understand how we feel now? Only 2% of Whites ever owned slaves, yet many of our ancestors were sacrificed into an unfair War Between the States that ultimately led to the end of slavery. Whites created the freest, most powerful, most generous civilization EVER, giving blacks and every other every other group countless opportunities to succeed.

Yet we are constantly verified for wanting to be ‘treated equally under the law.’ A law put into place by Whites and no others.

Bon

84 — Anonymous wrote at 12:28 AM on January 25:

Some posters here justify MLk,Jr’s failings by stating that other powerful leaders and presidents were unfaithful to their spouses.That’s true,of course.Speaking for myself,I’m not that concerned with the sexual exploits of MLK,Jr,or anyone else,for that matter.What does trouble me is King’s plagiarism. If you’re an honest person there’s no way you can sweep this under the rug. It does matter;it’s not comparable to cheating on your wife.That’s a personal matter between husband and wife.Dr. King’s plagiarism concerns the public because not only is he celebrated as a great leader,he’s considered one of the 20th century’s great thinkers and writers.Many Americans(including myself) have his books on their bookshelves,and most of those books are heavily plagiarized.And yet the MSM ignores this story.Other people who were discovered to be plagiarists have been penalized.It’s about intellectual integrity.

It’s too bad this country indulges in such hero worship(we’re seeing the same thing with Pres.Obama).Why do we need this Disney version of MLK,Jr? Any constructive criticism of him doesn’t seem to be allowed.

I read a comment on another messageboard.The poster suggested that perhaps it would have been a better idea to have a holiday honoring all the men and women who sacrificed so much for the Civil Rights Movement.Not just a holiday honoring one individual.

In historical terms, the Civil Rights movement is recent history.A previous poster noted that people’s perceptions of Mlk,Jr will continue to change;I think that’s true.I know my own feelings have changed over time;perhaps they will continue to change.

85 — Fred wrote at 7:36 AM on January 26:

Some very good and thoughtful comments. My only addition to these is someone please read Genesis, Chapter 9. God has not amended or retracted what He said there.

86 — Coco wrote at 6:36 PM on April 6:

How sad that MLK’s message has been blackened by his behavior. I use to hold him in high esteem, until all this surfaced. I also don’t feel that a National Monument should be erected for him, I’d rather see Oprah have one!


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