A Test of Free Speech and Bias, Served on a Plate from Texas

Adam Liptak, New York Times, March 22, 2015

The next great First Amendment battleground is just six inches high. It is a license plate bearing the Confederate flag.

Nine states let drivers choose specialty license plates featuring the flag and honoring the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which says it seeks to celebrate Southern heritage. But Texas refused to allow the group’s plates, saying the flag was offensive.

On Monday, the Supreme Court will hear a challenge to that decision in Walker v. Sons of Confederate Veterans, No. 14-144, a case that considers the limits of free expression and the meaning of a charged symbol that many associate with secession and slavery.

Texas has hundreds of specialty plates. Many are for college alumni, sports fans and service organizations, but others send messages like “Choose Life,” “God Bless Texas” and “Fight Terrorism.”

The state almost never rejects a proposed design. But the eight members of the board of its motor vehicles department deadlocked in April 2011 over whether to allow one featuring the Confederate flag. By the time the board next considered the question, in November 2011, civil rights groups had mobilized.

“They bused in high school kids,” recalled Granvel Block, a former commander of the heritage group’s Texas division. “They had preachers. It was a circus.”

Among those who spoke up against allowing the Confederate symbol was the Rev. George V. Clark, 82, an African-American minister. “It saddens me,” he told the board, “that the possibility even exists that I might still be driving around the state and frequently see something that represents hate, something that has made people feel less than human.”

The board then voted unanimously to reject the license plate. {snip}

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The Sons of Confederate Veterans filed a First Amendment challenge, winning in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, in New Orleans. The court said Texas had discriminated against the group’s view that “the Confederate flag is a symbol of sacrifice, independence and Southern heritage.”

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Today, the flag appears on license plates in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia.

Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said the Confederate flag has only one fundamental meaning. “It’s a powerful symbol of the oppression of black people,” she said in an interview.

Texas has mounted a vigorous defense of its decision to reject the plates. “Our fundamental right to free speech must be protected, but that right does not include compelling the state of Texas to approve any image on state-issued license plates,” said Cynthia Meyer, a spokeswoman for the state’s attorney general, Ken Paxton.

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  • dd121

    A sad day for the SCV.

  • mobilebay

    How about playing “Dixie.” Will that pass muster here in Texas?

  • MekongDelta69

    ‘Tejas’ has gone back to brown

    • Jason Lewis

      It never was brown. The Mexicans petitioned YT to settle it because the indians kept the Mexican citizens from wanting to move north. Texas is actually a good example of what happens when you allow unchecked immigration of another group.

      • Alexandra1973

        Interestingly enough, the Cherokee Nation mostly fought on the side of the Confederacy.

        • John Smith

          They knew they couldn’t trust the US govt.

          • Alexandra1973

            I just like pointing that out to my mom, who’s a member of Daughters of Union Vets. She’s so into what little Cherokee heritage we have. LOL

          • Whirlwinder

            And they were going to get such good treatment from the CSA?
            Treaties for as long as the grass grows and the rivers flow, just like in the USA. Governments are evil and do not change their stripes.

          • John Smith

            Maybe.

        • Dr. X

          They owned black slaves…

    • Samuel Hathaway

      “Reconquista”, as they say. Texas will soon be considered a “district” for Mexican elections, as Tex-Mex citizens who vote in Mexican national elections will have their votes demonstrated on a map of Texas back home in Mee-hee-ko, for all hispanosupremacistas to see how their connacionales voted back in the “old territory.”

      • Spaniard in LA

        Aren’t Hispanic-Tejanos different from the rest of the Hispanic population?

        • John Smith

          They’re Criollos and their ancestors fought to leave Mexico too.

          • Santa Anna was a despot.

          • John Smith

            Crappy govt. is a hallmark of Latin America.

          • Charles Brumbelow

            Think any more you can leave out the word “Latin”.

  • A Freespeechzone

    I’m offended by rap music—can that be banned?

    I’m also offended when I see the mexican flag being taunted over the American Flag….can that crap be stopped by the state?

    • Jason Lewis

      So we can’t count on you in two weeks for Cinco de Mayo?

      • Samuel Hathaway

        No, but you can count on Juan for Cinco De Mayo.

        • Tim

          “One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor!”

          • Samuel Hathaway

            To the floor after the third tequila is about right. Some may be handle the fourth or maybe more….burp!

          • Tim

            Not my line. One of our citys biggest selling tourist tee-shirts…

    • Samuel Hathaway

      The best antidote to rap “music” is blaring Hank Williams, Jr., if you can.

      • John Smith

        “If Heaven Ain’t a Lot Like Dixie”

      • propagandaoftruth

        David Allen Coe, Johnny Cash, Willy…and in another vein Louis Prima, Lou Monte, Sinatra…

        Although I do like a little Motown and such, the above artists form the kernel of a Pandora station that keeps the Negroes purchasing and moving along…

        • Samuel Hathaway

          The Country Outlaws do know how to get to the point. No P.C. with them. Although Willie Nelson is a bit left-wingish but still a live and live type.

          • Ron Cheaters

            He used to call Charlie Pride “The Wonder N!&&er” and nobody took offense.

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      • Pat Boyle

        Hank Williams Sr. was a great and unique vocalist but his kid does nothing for me.

        • ElComadreja

          Same here. I actually like Hank III better.

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  • Steve_in_Vermont

    It seems like every day someone, somewhere, is complaining about being offended or disrespected. Of course it doesn’t count, and no-one will pay any attention, if you’re white, heterosexual and pro-gun.

    • Tim

      Half a lifetime ago I went on a hunting trip from San Antonio to the Texas Hill Country. My prankster brother saw me off smiling. Couldn`t figure that one out. Nor did I understand all the angry honks, glares and hate stares I began getting. It went from puzzling to alarming. On the second day I happened to walk around the rear of the car instead of the front after gassing up. My brother had been to the flea market and had a “Gay Atheists for Gun Control” bumper sticker made to stick on the rear of the car…

      • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

        Hahaha that reminds me of the Top Gear when they went to the South driving trucks spray painted with stuff like “man love is OK”, and they got run out of a gas station. I don’t think I ever laughed so hard at anything on the you-know-who-vision!

      • When I was a UC Santa Cruz university undergrad, I loved the dippy-hippy VW vans covered with bumper stickers, as I added a few of my own to the melange. A short list includes “National Rifle Association”, “Nuke a Gay Whale For Jesus”, “Kill a Commie For Christ”, and “Gun Owners Against Dukakis”.

        I wonder how long it took for the owners of these vehicles to notice the “extra” stickers.

        • Tim

          What this tells me is that I should start selling bumper stickers…I always wanted to buy a Maserati and put a “My other car is a Pinto” sticker on it…

  • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

    So now we’re considering people’s precious feelings over other people’s rights? Hmm, interesting! Bodes well for the future…

  • Texas whites are sell outs. I’m moving to Alabama, home of Senator Jeff Sessions. Every day whites hire illegals rather than white males to save a few bucks. May the Confederate flag be restored to a place of honor in Texas.

    • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

      Alabama is CRAWLING with blacks. Seriously, it’s infested. Even the nicer, white areas are completely surrounded. I live very close to Alabama (close enough to watch news out of Mobile) and it’s always the same old thing. Crime reports, suspects/accused are 97% of the time black. The reports on the schools always show white teachers teaching all blacks, the feel-good stories always show whitey giving blacks free stuff. It was great that Baldwin County refused the tax hike to benefit schools though, as I bet most of the whites who actually pay taxes send their kids to private schools and are sick of footing the bill for schools their children cannot attend.

      However, Alabama is a very pretty state. Montgomery was nice, at least the one gentrified area downtown. They have a great Confederate memorial at the state capitol as well. If you really do move there, just be aware of what you’re getting into and don’t move to the central part, which is the “Black Belt” and therefore like Africa in America.

      PS the Dothan Peanut Fest is always a good time. Not too overrun with blacks either, for some reason.

      • Where I’m at is 80 percent Mexican. The part of Alabama I’m moving to is 80 percent white, although near Birmingham. One or two Mexicans in the entire county. There are parts of rural Alabama that are 95 percent white. That’s in the northern regions.

        One of the commenters on my blog moved from California to north Alabama. She’s a very strong racist woman. She loved it there, but soon developed cancer before she could start chasing out Hindus, Mexicans, and others with her hate stares and nasty remarks. When she opened her bank account and saw the teller was a Hindu she chewed out the bank manager for not hiring a white person and then left. She did this kind of stuff all the time.

        • Samuel Hathaway

          You can do better than an 80% white area close to Birmingham. Two counties that border Birmingham are Walker County, which is nearly 92% white and Blount County, which is 96% white. But my guess is that you’re looking at either Shelby County or St. Clair county, which are 84% and 88% white if you want at least 80% white.

        • James Hamilton

          Ha ha, sounds just like my grandmother. She got reported for racism for refusing to collect her pension from a post office owned by Pakistanis.

        • John Smith

          N. AL is okay, but B’ham and points south are getting too diverse for me. You’ll probably want to live in Shelby Co. if you have to work in the metro area.

          • Susannah

            Shelby County is mostly still okay (relatively). The apartments are filled with blacks and illegals, but I imagine that is true of many places now.

          • One can always monkey-wrench things. I was once accosted in my townhouse complex by a carload of Somalis who wanted to know where the leasing office was. I explained that there is no leasing office (there isn’t), and that our beautiful neighborhood is for people with incurable diseases.

            They burned rubber in the first two gears driving away.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        If you’re close to Mobile, AL, you probably live in Mississippi. Pensacola, FL isn’t far, but was still white enough that my cousins still sent their kids to the public school there. Seemingly the closer you get to the sea, the whiter the demographics become.

        • Ella

          Land and property always get expensive near your touristy seasides for vacationers.

          • High property prices help keep the Undertow out. Due to HUD’s Section-8 program, it isn’t infallible, but it sorta works.

          • Ella

            It hurts the lower white middle class though. We’re trying to move into an “enclave” with inflated real estate prices and with excellent schools. Hubby will have to work more hours to afford the costs, we can have one less child, or I can go back to work P/T. Upper middle class whites in our area have 3.2 white children but not the lower middle class. This shows that economics drive our family size, not even education or feminism.

        • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

          When did your cousins send their kids to school in P-cola? Escambia County FL is the most dangerous county in the state, and P-cola is crawling with blacks.

  • Truthseeker

    “It saddens me that the possibility even exists that I might still be driving around
    the state and frequently see something that represents hate, something
    that has made people feel less than human.”

    I cannot stand deeply-entrenched lies that have been around so long people don’t even know they’re lies. The Confederacy had nothing to do with “hate,” but with a nation defending its culture against an aggressive force that wouldn’t allow them self-determination. And then we’re supposed to feel sorry for some guy whose feelings got hurt because he believes this lie he was told? Not happening. Southerners have a right to take pride in their heritage like anyone else does.

    • Alexandra1973

      As a life-long Yankee, and having had at least two ancestors who were Union Army veterans…I have to say that the Confederacy was more in the right.

      I do not believe that the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate.

      • Ella

        I agree with you since the Confederacy symbolized State Rights and fought against unfair levied taxes.

      • Lexonaut

        “I do not believe that the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate.”

        Maybe not, and I certainly wouldn’t ban it, but showing it in this day and age is poor taste. Poor taste may be protected free speech but it’s still poor taste. I believe it was Disraeli who said “A gentleman never insults unintentionally.”

        • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

          I have over 30 Confederate soldiers as ancestors, and I am proud of them all. Why should the flag, and the cause, that my ancestors fought for, be considered “poor taste”? Because some whining blacks don’t like it? Why are we supposed to care about the feelings of people who loathe whites, and deliberately target us for actual crimes, not the “crime” of “hurt feelings” or “poor taste”? As soon as they stop raping, robbing and murdering whites simply for being white, then I’ll consider thinking about worrying whether or not they’re insulted by MY ancestors.

          • Lexonaut

            “Because some whining blacks don’t like it?”

            No, because hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers also died in that conflict, and they have families too. You may not have approved of their cause, but the war ended 150 years ago and it’s time to put it behind us.

            It’s okay for you to have poor taste, Mangosteen, just don’t expect everyone in the world to applaud you for it. When you wave that flag in people’s faces, don’t be surprised when they brush it aside.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            I could not care less if people applaud me for my heritage, it’s not about that, and if that’s the way you see it, no wonder you can’t possibly understand, and think it’s in “poor taste”. I don’t care if the Yankees celebrate their ancestors, I’m not trying to stop them and it doesn’t offend me. Respect is a two-way street and I will never, ever be ashamed of my heritage simply because some may view it as “poor taste”. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and I’ll continue to not care what others have to say about my heritage.

            The issues that caused the war most certainly aren’t over. In case you haven’t noticed, the Federal government is once again interfering in state’s rights, and it’s all happening again. We’ll probably have another Civil War because the wrong side won the first one.

            As for “putting it behind us”, this is how it goes when one group of people is forced to live under the boot of another. The hatred and animosity is still there, even when it’s over. You see it throughout the world. The Irish still hate the English, the English still hate the French, the Indians hate the Pakistanis, and on and on and on. Many Southerners feel that they are living in a country that does not represent them, which is true. Dismissing legitimate issues and the people who raise them as “poor taste” and telling them to “put it behind you” does nothing to actually achieve that.

          • Lexonaut

            ” Dismissing legitimate issues and the people who raise them as “poor taste”

            I didn’t do that. Raising the issues is fine, but waving that flag is no different from someone calling you a slack-jawed redneck mouth breather. That kind of thing is free speech, but it contributes nothing to the debate and is in poor taste.

            If you want to change minds and influence thinking, that flag is not the way to go about it. I would defend your right to fly it, but only because free speech is the speech we don’t like, not the speech we do.

            Manners count.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            “Manners count”? To whom? The people who portray Southerners (and whites) as “slack-jawed redneck mouth breathers”? The shrieking hysterical minorities that fling insults yet demand their feelings be carefully coddled and respected? The government and people in it that want to destroy the white race and people? The traitorous whites who hate themselves, but hate racially aware whites most of all? Haven’t you realized that those people (the people currently in control) don’t care about manners?

            It’s obvious that I’ll never be the “correct” kind of white, and that’s fine. The “correct” white people are allowing themselves to be eradicated because they are so afraid of how others view them that they refuse to cultivate a racial identity, let alone advocate for their race and its interests. They can be polite to the grave, that’s their choice, but it’s not mine. We’ve been polite for far too long, cared too much about what others think, and the mess we’re in now is a direct result of that mentality.

            Where did you come up with this “All Southerners who fly the flag are redneck trash” idea? Was it from your own careful observation, research and personal experiences? Or was it where 99.9% of people get it…from anti-white Hollywood? Because if Hollywood portrays my ancestors, people, and geographic area in one way, that makes it fact! Remember, they also portray blacks as genius scientists, doctors and lawyers with strong families and values!

            It’s all stupid, regardless. There is no need for fighting among each other. If we’re all white, then we need to come together for a greater “Pan-whiteness” and accept that some whites and their heritage isn’t necessarily to our liking. I’d gladly ally with a Yankee, but apparently I’m too much of a redneck. Although I prefer “hillbilly” as I’m Appalachian.

          • Lexonaut

            “”Manners count”? To whom?”

            To the people who are starting to wake up to reality with respect to certain subjects that are, in this day and age, taboo.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            So they would ignore the sound message, simply because they dislike, or disapprove, of the messenger? Are these the kind of people you want to have on your side? I can’t say I’m too jazzed about them, really.

          • Lexonaut

            “So they would ignore the sound message, simply because they dislike, or disapprove, of the messenger?”

            Yes. That’s the liberal way — to suppress the message by demonizing the messenger. Ferguson in August, and Saint Louis County, L.A. and NYC in November, woke a lot of people up. Now they’re starting to look around, and some of them are starting to listen. If they see Confederate flags they’ll go right back to sleep again.

          • In the words of Mary Poppins, “A spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down.”

            My mother and my wife both love old musicals.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Bless your heart, musicals? You poor man, you must have the patience of a saint!

          • I didn’t always, but better late than never!

            “Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other.”
            –Benjamin Franklin

            “You often learn more from the battles you lose than from those you win.”
            –Michael C. Scott

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            You really need to write a book. Seriously!

          • ElComadreja

            Blacks and mestizos make taunting whitey and getting “in your face” a daily habit. I’ll agree not to offend them when they stop their obnoxious ways.

          • Lexonaut

            I’m not worried about offending them I’m worried about offending the many white liberals who are just starting to wake up about the implications for their own lives of Ferguson and its aftermath

          • Crossing over from any form of race denial (left or right) to out and outright white racialism is a very huge step, in fact, a quantum leap. I don’t think that any white liberal who does or is about to or is seriously contemplating making that leap is going to be deterred by the sight of a Confederate Battle Flag.

          • kikz2

            yes, and you’ve violated that maxim by telling someone a piece of their heritage/history the Confederate Flag and its display is in poor taste.

          • Lexonaut

            The flag doesn’t bother me but it certainly bothers a lot of other people. Hey — if Mangosteen wants to go around with a white chip on his shoulder, he’s free to. But if he wants to win friends and influence people regarding race realism he should reconsider. It’s a PR thing and in PR, manners count.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Luckily for me, I’m not interested in winning friends or influencing anyone. I’ve realized that people have an emotional attachment to their ideology, especially the liberals, and nothing a hillbilly like me could say would ever change their mind. If I wanted to pander to wishy-washy fools, I’d be a politician. My ancestors were brave, honorable men that fought for what they believed in. Anyone who thinks I should be ashamed of that is no ally of mine, nor do I want to have anything to do with them.

            Oh, and I’m not a man.

          • Lexonaut

            “My ancestors were brave, honorable men that fought for what they believed in.”

            I never said anything different.

            ——————–

            “I’m not interested in winning friends or influencing anyone.”

            A lot of people on this site are, including the owner.

            ——————–

            “Oh, and I’m not a man.”

            And I should care because …

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            You certainly are insinuating it. Why not just come out and say it? I think it’s pretty obvious what you think of Southern heritage.

            I never told anyone ELSE how to conduct their affairs. If they want to preach to people they have almost zero hope of influencing, good for them! I wish them well and I respect what they’re doing, I think it’s important. But I am not doing it.

            I guess you shouldn’t. Nor should I bother to mention it. I do wish you well despite your nastiness. Good luck and good day to you.

          • I’m glad more ladies are regularly posting here. Courtney From Alabama is quite good, and I wish Margaret would come back to the site (she disappeared about ten years ago).

          • 3G4Me

            Oh God, another “We’re BETTER than that.” Bringing the Marquis of Queensberry rules to a fight for survival. You’re the sort Vox Day has perfectly described as the “moderate” who is far more inclined to shoot at his own side than the enemy.

            “Manners count” . . . in a civilized, White society. In today’s multuculturalist hell, they’ll get you crushed. There, FIFY.

          • Lexonaut

            I’m armed and I’ve taught my wife to shoot. In today’s multiculturalist hell, as you put it, she is under orders not to open fire until [whoever] is completely through whichever door is at issue, so that there will be no realistic challenge to the claim of self defense, at which point she is to shoot to kill to avoid lawsuits.

            She likes her seven round Beretta 9mm semiauto. I favor my fifteen round .45 lever action, which puts ACP rounds out at 1100 fps as aimed fire. For close in work we have Mister 12 gauge, loaded with bird shot to facilitate recoil control.

            Okay? I’m not dumb, just a realist.

          • ElComadreja

            Many of them were conscripted and didn’t believe in any “cause” either. I’ll wager that most of them had little or no use for blacks. NYC had one of the country’s worst riots because of conscription and many blacks were killed with relish during it.

          • Lexonaut

            Yes, the draft riots in NYC were a huge deal. But most Union soldiers were volunteers who, for better or worse, felt good about fighting to abolish slavery. Many southerners felt they were fighting for states’ rights — refighting the Revolutionary War — but that’s not how most people in the north saw it.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            So, only the North’s opinions on the reasons of Southerners are valid? Do you honestly not see how that’s a problem?

          • Lexonaut

            If you want to rally only white southerners to your cause, keep up the good work.

            I’ll give you the last word assuming there are no other posts from you in my inbox.

      • Tim

        I`ve been saying the same thing about the German Army. Funny that!

        • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

          Are you being sarcastic? If you are, I’d bet you know next to nothing about National Socialism, Hitler, and the Third Reich.

          • Tim

            I saw a leaflet that showed a Queer pride parade, Somali boat migrants, protesting Mexican illegals along with a few other social ills. It had a picture of Hitler with phrase superimposed over it all saying, “I was only trying to help…” And I went hmmm…My favorite field of study is The Battle of Kursk, which I compare to the second election of Obama. Stalingrad showed that success was no longer to be taken for granted, Kursk showed that defeat could no longer be avoided. I am also a big fan of Eva Braun, the original “Stand by your Man” girl… I have a large collection of original German propaganda posters. The first one I ever bought 40 years ago was also the only one that got away. It was the “Verdunkeln!” one that showed a macabre skeleton riding a British medium bomber and hurling an old fashioned bomb at the lights below. I bought it for $400.00 in `82 and was forced to sell it in `92 for $1000.00 My poster connect now tells me that they are worth upward of $7000 if they can be had. My girlfriends Grandfather scored a Wellner AH coffee spoon when he helped liberate the Big guy`s Alpine retreat…. Does that answer your question in a roundabout way?!?…

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Yes, thanks!! I’m more of a Magda Goebbels lady myself…lol. Why did you sell your poster, who forced you? They owe you some money!

          • Tim

            Lost my job and it was the most valuable asset at the time. I first saw it in a book called “Selling the War”. Probably my no. 1 now is the famous french poster that shows a Tuetonic Knight running through a Soviet soldier who has an English banker and hooked nose guy hiding behind him. I also have a Dutch poster that I only saw in a general book on WWII over thirty years ago. It shows a stork and Cuckoo bird in American and English hats looking at a red egg in a nest. The meaning is that the second front is only helping to bring Bolshevism to Western Europe. Here`s a funny story about my BMW dispatch motorcycle also gone. I use to drive it in full German uniform. When I did, people would lean out their cars windows and cheer!! One day the throttle cable broke and I chained ti to a telephone pole. Walking home in the uniform, people leaned out their car to spit on me!!… Never could figure that one out…About the only thing I haven`t collected or coveted are ceremonial daggers. For some reason I never did like them. I think because unlike Lugers. Walthers or Mausers they aren`t real battlefield implements. What got me interested in the whole program was that Al Stewart song, “Roads to Moscow”… Take care and have a great day. P.S. The Magda thing. I just recently saw a you-tube video on Herman Goering`s daughter. Is it Emma?!? It showed her well dressed walking thru a Munich crowd . No body knew and nobody noticed. But her face was SOO much like her Dad`s it looked like him in drag.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Where the hell have you been all my life? Why can’t I ever see, or hang out with people like you?? You have a good day too!

          • Tim

            I was shocked! Shocked! to realize you`re a woman?!?! Am I getting that right? And I thought the same thing you did!!! I`ll think of you with fondness the next time my girl rolls her eyes when I comment on a national news story…

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Yeah I am a woman, and it usually does shock people because not a lot of women “get it” (this of course excludes the other women commenters here). Lol, good luck with the eye rolling girl, tell me she’s at least beginning to come around….!

          • Spikeygrrl

            My favorite Nazi is filmmaker Leni Riefenstal. Speaking as someone who has produced/directed a lot of “industrial” and music…GAWD what an eye she had!!! I can’t even begin to envision what she’d be creating today with the entirety of Hollywood technical “magic” laid before her.

            Second in line: Josef Goebbels. Arguably the father of effective modern agitprop…which Whites need now more than ever, to counterweigh the MSM “narrative.”

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            I have heard of Leni Riefenstal, but I am not a movie person, generally. I will check her stuff out, definitely!

            The thing I notice most about that era is how happy everyone looked. Clean, bright, shining faces and smiles, usually out in nature doing wholesome things, working hard, building a nation. People posing in front of beautiful gardens, flowers, things just looked so wholesome when you compare it to modern times. Seems like the wrong side won, because look at everything we’ve lost. Can you imagine what they’d all think of modern day Germany?

          • Ella

            Germans are actually happy and bright people who like to eat, drink and socialize with their friends and family members after working long hours. They are proud people and talk in privacy about their heritage. Our ethnic pride has gone “underground,” but we try to teach our culture and ways at home.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Sounds great in theory — look up “Potemkin Village” — but nothing excuses genocide.

            Here’s a decent start on “Potemkin Village”:
            The phrase is now used, typically in politics and economics, to describe any construction (literal or figurative) built solely to deceive others into thinking that some situation is better than it really is….
            The Nazi German Theresienstadt concentration camp, called “the Paradise Ghetto” in World War II, was designed as a concentration camp that could be shown to the Red Cross, but was really a Potemkin Village: attractive at first, but deceptive and ultimately lethal, with high death rates from malnutrition and contagious diseases. It ultimately served as a way-station to Auschwitz-Birkenau.

            How baffling it is that many of today’s White Nationalists still hate Jews, who are generally a bright and hardworking demographic which has contributed so much to Western Civilzation…and then bleat about Whites being targeted for cultural genocide.

            You can have one, you can have the other, but you can’t have both.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            “They” are not white. They are not culturally compatible with whites, either. What exactly have they contributed? Usury? The entertainment industry? Communism? There is a reason that they have been hated throughout history, and it’s not baseless prejudice. They have no love for us, it’s well-documented what they think of the “cattle” and what their plans for us are.

            I am not advocating for their extermination, they have a homeland (that they stole from another through terrorism) and they should go there. They do NOT belong among us, as they are actively working to destroy us and our civilization. Have you ever read any of their own writings on this subject?

            Funny you mention Potemkin villages. The Tsars of Russia loathed “them” and were proven right. Who murdered the Romanov family? Who was behind Bolshevism? You’ll find that almost every single one was “one of them”. Same in the US, and anywhere else, even the man behind Mandela was one.

            I like your comments and respect your opinion but we’ll probably have to agree to disagree on this. It is a hard pill to swallow, for sure.

          • Goebbels was pretty bright, and had the right education to become a propaganda minister. He had studied literature and philosophy as a university undergrad, and his PhD was in theater. The combination was tailor-made for his later work.

          • Spikeygrrl

            I’ll look for that. Thanks for the tip.

          • Ella

            Check out Caspar David Friedrich for German Romanticist movement.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Will do.Thanks for the tip.

    • Ummm… that critter’s “feelings” are not my problem or my responsibility. So sorry.

  • Usually Much Calmer

    “On Monday, the Supreme Court will hear a challenge to that decision in Walker v. Sons of Confederate Veterans, No. 14-144, a case that considers the limits of free expression and the meaning of a charged symbol that many associate with secession and slavery.”

    Slavery was abhorrent and I have never met a Southerner I liked, but if this truly is a free republic I have no idea why secession is a problem. Of course, I know why it is a problem, but I am a little shocked that it would slip into this article so nakedly.

    • Spikeygrrl

      I’m curious, so sue me: What is it about Southerners that turns you off?

      • Usually Much Calmer

        If it were just you and me, I would be happy to talk at length about it. But not here. It is probably a basket of traits, with not everyone having each trait, but the whole of them sort of grossly characterizing Southerners. I won’t list them because I don’t want field nitpicky responses from others that not all Southerners are X. . . .

        Their values, assumptions, and sensibilities tend to be not just different from mine, but in conflict with mine. I hope you can see where I’m coming from.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Not really. I have lived all over the Anglosphere and have yet to find a regional majority culture of which I totally disapprove (with the arguable exception of “Down East” Yankees, whose culture nevertheless has much to recommend it…and American Negro subculture, which has NOTHING to recommend it).

    • I grew up in Colorado, and have met relatively few white Southerners whom I didn’t like. Even federal prison in Texas wasn’t too bad on that score, and those guys were convicted felons.

      • Usually Much Calmer

        Ah. You may be more tolerant than I, though!

  • TruthBeTold

    “It saddens me,” he told the board, “that the possibility even exists that I might still be driving around the state and frequently see something that represents hate, something that has made people feel less than human.”

    I’m saddened when I see a black man. We’re even.

    • Lord Sandwich

      OOOOHH! He might have to see a license plate that offends him! The horror, the horror. Not exactly Knoxville or Wichita though, is it?

      • John Smith

        Who cares what 13% of the population think?

  • Jason Lewis

    The Stone Mountain carving will be destroyed in our lifetimes.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      Here’s the Stone Mountain carving at Stone Mountain Park, Georgia. A beautiful work of art, to be sure.

      Jefferson Davis, General Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.

      • Lord Sandwich

        I think things might have been different had Jackson not been killed by friendly fire 2 months before Gettysburg.

        • GAWZ

          Yes. The struggle might have gone on for six more months. It was a war of logistics.

          • John Smith

            But they were hoping for a negotiated truce, not victory, and bleeding the North would’ve made the public support drop even more. Lincoln was facing a real prospect of defeat for his second term because of the inability of the North to win against an ill-equipped foe until Sherman’s March.

        • Lexonaut

          I dunno. It was Custer who stopped Jeb Stuart’s cavalry end run around the Union lines. Had Custer not been there and not done what he did, Lee would have won without Jackson. Had Jackson been heading up part of the Wheat Field assault I don’t see what difference it would have made.

          • kikz2

            it’s good to know Custer’s karma caught up w/him.

          • Lexonaut

            He was the bottom man in his West Point class. He made general at 23 for riding up and down in front of a disorganized mass of troops, organizing them at the same time that he was being fired at by many, many Confederate rifles. He did something similar at Gettysburg — rode his cavalry troop directly into the head of Stuart’s line, breaking it up and sending the Rebel cavalry fleeing back where they came from.

            He was completely without fear, could not be panicked, and thought he was invincible. Crazy Horse showed him he was certainly wrong about the third point.

        • The war would likely have dragged on a bit longer, but an agricultural nation can’t beat an industrial nation with twice its population, not in the long run.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            What about Afghanistan? It beat both the USSR and the US. And Vietnam?

          • Afghanistan didn’t ultimately beat Britain, which ran it as a sub-department of India. The snag the USSR experienced was that their army was mainly conscript, and not very enthusiastic. The rail network from the USSR stopped at the border, which meant everything had to move by truck, over bad roads. The real game-changer for the Sovs was Stinger anti-aircraft missiles in the hands of the Afghans. Stinger has an all-aspect seeker, and also an ultraviolet discriminator, which means it can tell the difference between the sun’s glint off a metal airplane and a cheap infrared decoy flare. Once the Afghans started receiving those, the USSR couldn’t use air power as effectively, especially not helicopters. Afghans, however, did not make those weapons themselves.

            With Vietnam, the situation was similar. The weapons the NVA and VC used largely came from elsewhere, left-behind ex-French and ex-Japanese stuff, and new-production Soviet and Chinese material. Where the US seriously misunderstood the problem in Vietnam was comparing it to World War Two operations in the Pacific. “We’ve already done jungle fighting,” they told themselves. The difference was that with total naval superiority in most of the WW-2 ops, we could prevent Japanese reinforcement and resupply, as we were fighting over islands that could be isolated. After the Leyte Gulf naval blowout battle in 1944, nothing Japanese got in or out of the Philippines. This was very difficult in South Vietnam.

            Afghanistan is awash in weapons, IEDs are easy to produce from unexploded Soviet-era aircraft bombs, and since it isn’t an island, it isn’t really subject to being isolated.

          • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

            Thanks! You always post the most interesting stuff.

          • TheMaskedUnit

            I would have never surrendered the army if I had known how the South would have been treated.
            — Robert Edward Lee

  • Hilis Hatki

    Everything white is on the way out. America is being redefined.

  • Petronius

    Just another stain on our glorious banner.

  • GAWZ

    How come the Blacks show no outrage against the slave owner George Washington? Maybe that’s on the back burner and part of a later stage.

    • John Smith

      I believe they do.

  • Ella

    This is proof that Texas has gone brown definitely and permanently.

    • Randall Ward

      No, Austin is the trouble. Plus you notice that a “committee” turned down the flag. I guess the “committee doesn’t know that almost every county in Texas voted to succeed in 1861. Being brown doesn’t mean not being proud to be a Texan and being a Texan is being part of the Confederacy. I have never seen a Mexican wearing a Mexican flag in any form, but many of them have Texas flags on their belt buckles and shirts.

      • Spaniard in LA

        When I was a kid my family took a road trip to Texas but I really don’t remember much. I actually heard that the Texas Hispanics are much different than other Hispanics. Is that true?

        • Randall Ward

          I only know the ones here in Texas. I don’t notice too many problems here with race relations; I may be wrong but I believe people in Texas have a good attitude towards each other. I am always friendly to everyone and that helps me to get along with everyone, mostly.

          • Spaniard in LA

            I always heard Texas Hispanics are more into Texas pride than anything else.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Yep. Many Latino families here have been legal US citizens for many generations. Many of them seem to be agrieved — as well they should be! — at the flood of illegal aliens which in other areas of our nation gives ALL Latinos a bad name.

      • Alexandra1973

        I have to wonder what Mexicans care about the Confederacy anyway.

        • Randall Ward

          The war for Southern Independence was fought by white men and there were probably about 5,000 Mexicans living in Texas at the time, and most of them were on the Texas Mexican border. So Mexicans don’t have much emotional investment in the war.

        • Tim

          I remember reading a story about the ethnic transformation of Victorville, California. It was home to Roy Rodgers and also Bob Hope I believe. They asked a Mexican immigrant what they thought about the Roy Rodgers museum leaving town for whiter pastures. He pretty much said, “Nothing…” like it wasn`t even on his radar….

        • Mangosteen, $1000 chair

          That could be extended to any foreigner in the US. Why would they care about anything that “dead white men” did? It’s not their culture, or history. Which is why they try and shove their ways onto us, because we’ve made them feel too welcome in a land that isn’t theirs, and they only know how to conquer, not co-exist. Not that it’s possible to co-exist, that’s just a feel-good fantasy. You think when this place is majority Hispanic that they’ll care about preserving anything belonging to the old, white men?

  • First they brainwash the entire country into thinking that anything Confederate represents “hate,” then they object to Confederate symbols on the grounds that they represent hate. It’s a manufactured cause that they fight for.

  • Tim

    In a world where Texas has stripped custodianship of the Alamo from the descendants of the men who fought there after 110 years, this is small potatoes. Not that it doesn`t matter, But the Texas Revolution was OUR Civil War. Santa Anna played Lincoln, Sam Houston played General Lee etc. etc. And the important thing was, we won!! The Civil War was more like the Korean War compared to WW II down here. Not that this all doesn`t matter. But the bigger issue is that in a world where the Alamo “Belongs to everyone” anyone with a more legitimate claim to its history and its heroes must be shoved aside to make way for the new narrative. Watch for it to happen. The powers that be have already turned the Alamo from the first “Arizona Memorial” into a theme park selling Cotton Candy on the hallowed grounds. Chicano lawmakers, now flush with victory, are trying to move the Hundreth anniversary Centopath, because it blocks the path of a trolley, which will go all of 200 feet from one hotel to the other. The whole purpose of the trolley is to give the lawmakers an excuse to move the marker celebrating Anglo heroes to a spot around back or off the grounds altogether. Texas students are required to study an entire year on the revolution, I can`t wait to see what the new narrative. Finally, please don`t post about the Alamo being 175 years and not 110. I was referring to the DRT custodian ship not the battle date. I wnet through Mrs. Whittles 7th grade boot camp and was at both the 150th and 175th commeration. Though my personal connections are with the Johnstown Flood and The Molly Mc Guires, my spouse`s ancestor was a POW captured and then exucted at Goliad. The hardest thing of all has been watching others with no connection to events giving themselves parties on the hallowed grounds and using its symbolism to reinforce political stands like gun rights etc. I must admit that the Rebel flag issue does rankle as well though. But its like the guy who killed your sister taking your parking apace…

    • Spikeygrrl

      A native Texan having a problem with celebrating gun rights at a historic site where our guns kicked their guns the proverbial new @[email protected] orifice? That’s hard for this relatively new Texan to believe.

      When military hubby & I were first transferred here (from San Diego to San Antonio), everyone joked that “owning guns is not only legal in Texas, it’s mandatory!”

      Oh, wait a minute…you’re probably from Austin. Nevermind.

      • Tim

        I was going to respond to that remark but then realized you`re the troll I had to verbally @#$% slap over something else a while back who wants revenge for being shamed. You should REALLY change your web name dear!!. . For you others, I am repulsed all the more by politicians donning the cloak of heroes to advance their agenda, even if it is something I agree with more than they do….

  • haroldcrews

    Whites have no rights which a black person is bound to respect.

  • Speedy Steve

    “It saddens me that the possibility even exists that I might still be driving around
    the state and frequently see something that represents hate, something
    that has made people feel less than human.”

    Notice that sneaky opening use of the passive voice. Believe me, reverend, it’s not a flag that makes you feel less human; it’s the low IQ, the childishness, the impulsive behavior, and the fact that 95% of y’all make the other 5% look bad.

    • Spikeygrrl

      I take your point and agree with it, but it is not an example of passive voice.

      This is passive voice: “It was agreed that a pamphlet would be produced.”
      This is active voice: “The council agreed to produce a pamphlet.”

      • Speedy Steve

        The sentence should have strated “I am saddened …” I do not expect correct English from Africans, however. And parse the rest of the sentence as it descends into left-wing psychobabble; the possibility even exists, hate, less than human.

        • Spikeygrrl

          It’s stated just fine. And I agree with the sentiment expressed. But it just isn’t the passive voice you claim it is.

          Nevermind. At least unless/until you’re gunning to be professionally published, these technically malformed statements will not hurt you.

    • TheMaskedUnit

      Their “freedom” depends on your bondage.

  • Rodney S

    In other news, Texas just issued a new Mexican flag license plate…….

    • Samuel Hathaway

      No surprise there. Eventually, Texas will, de-facto, become part of Mexico ethnically, culturally.

  • Lt. Greyman, NVA

    This is how Marxists work. First they define your symbols, taking their meaning and twisting them. Then they show up with little kids and say “How can you….The little children see…..Hate filled…. They have done this with everything from the Boy Scouts to the nuclear family. The Southern flag, symbol of States that legally wanted to go their own way, is now a flag that offends Africans in America. They are stripping the meaning from White History and inserting their own. He who controls the Past control the Present, he who controls the Present controls the future.

    They will never do this to the Tricolor!

  • Pat Boyle

    I’m reading a biography of Andrew Jackson. Apparently Jackson defused the movement of South Carolina to secede from the union. This was 1830 – a full thirty years before Fort Sumter. The issue was tariffs. In those days before the Federal Income tax revenue came from tariffs. South Carolina and other southern states realized that they were in effect paying all of the taxes and that the revenues were only benefitting the northern states. The only way out of this problem was to get out of the union.

    The confederate flag in those days meant tax policy. The ‘stars and bars’ was a symbol of revue neutrality. Slavery wasn’t much of an issue until later.

    • kikz2

      …and it continued until secession. the South paid while the North and its railroad profited. it was illegal that those tariff monies were not spent on infrastructure where they were collected. it still is.

  • It doesn’t stop.

    https://www.mayorslay.com/from-fgs/confederate-monument-forest-park

    And don’t think that any of this isn’t going to happen. One of Francis Slay’s first acts as mayor almost 14 years ago was to order the removal of the state flags of Mississippi and Georgia from St. Louis City Hall, because both used the Confederate Naval Jack symbol. Mississippi’s still does; a vote later that year there made that issue settled politics, while since then, Georgia has changed their state flag to more of a First National Flag design. In spite of that, the new Georgia flag is still not on display at City Hall.

  • nordicman

    Betcha they’re not offended by the those “racist white redneck hicks” who pay property taxes on their cars, though.

  • nordicman

    Apparently, they aren’t worried about the feelings of those whites (and their families) they’ve beat, raped, robbed and killed.

  • Hilis Hatki

    There is only one reason to unfurl the banner.

    • Spikeygrrl

      And that would be…?

      • Hilis Hatki

        As a battle flag for a cause.

  • Weisheit77

    Why would any southerner want a Confederate flag when they can get the logo of their favorite band of illiterate blacks who play at the local university?
    I was born in the south and I don’t want to go back. The south either has battered woman syndrome or Stockholm syndrome. Some of the staunchest defenders of the USA live in the south and are descended from people who fought tooth and nail to stick it to the Yankee. Now we can even have our own flag after serving courageously for the USA ever since!

    Want to hurt the state. Make sure the T A&M and UT stadiums sit empty for a year or two. Don’t turn on the NCAA. Boycott, but what’s your ancestor to the Longhorns?

    Southern people are alright, but I don’t understand them. The Yankee did his work well.

  • kikz2

    God forbid seeing something that makes one ‘feel bad’. The horror!

  • Lexonaut

    Read this … http://www.pchswi.org/archives/misc/cwdraft.html

    I stopped skimming when I reached the following sentence … “The draft also clearly served its intended purpose – to raise an adequate amount of men to fight in the Union army, mostly through volunteerism.”

    I’ll give you the last word.

  • Lexonaut

    I made a reply but it’s on robotic hold which means it’s unlikely to appear. Just read up on the subject of the civil war draft.

  • Ella

    Let vehicle owners have their Confederate plates but a few trucks will probably get vandalized in the parking lot by lefty loonies. Spit can at least be washed off but being keyed can cause damage. Blacks and Hispanics will have common sense to leave it alone.

  • Spikeygrrl

    Isn’t that funny. My comment admiring Leni Riefenstal AS AN ARTIST has been removed. I never said and I never meant that I admired the Nazi worldview.

    And yet, the moderators here allow poisonous anti-semitic comments to remain.

    Strange, that.

  • PissedOffScientist

    Having a confederate flag on your car plates seems like a very good way to attract some very negative attention from an affirmative action cop with a monumental chip on his or her shoulder.

  • Rossbach

    If the 1st amendment protects only speech that is deemed “inoffensive”, then eventually the bumper stickers would have to be banned as well. It will be interesting to see where this ends.

    Stalin and Mao would be really proud of us.

  • guest

    Mary Slater virtually worshipped Rick Heber. She appears to have been yoked to him academically from at least 1974, if not before. By 1980, she was virtually his surrogate at Madison during the vast spans of time he was gone from campus (and from Wisconsin, as well ). They would not have been focused in any basic way on a mere “photo safari”. She appears from at least mid 1984 to have come back into orbit, as it were, with regard to being yoked to Heber. It is very unlikely any research done by her from 1985 until the fatal accident on Dec. 03, 1987, would not have been overseen and advised heavily by Heber, whether openly acknowledged or not.

  • Charles Brumbelow

    Confederate flag – flew over slave states five years. U.S. Flag – flew over slave states ninety years.

  • guest

    Senator Ted Cruz is on a key Oversight Panel re FOIA and DoJ.
    This might be a big plum for the picking, Senator. It just might be.