New York Times Drops Razib Khan

Dylan Byers, Politico, March 19, 2015

The New York Times has terminated its contract with one of its new online opinion writers after a Gawker article highlighted the writer’s previous association with racist publications, according to that writer’s Twitter account.

Razib Khan, a science blogger and a doctoral candidate in genomics and genetics at the University of California, Davis, was one of 20 writers who signed contracts with the Times to write for the paper’s online opinion section.

The Times announced its new stable of contributors on Wednesday. Hours later, Gawker’s J.K. Trotter reported that Khan had a “history with racist, far-right online publications.” Khan wrote 68 posts for Taki’s Magazine, a publication founded by a “flamboyantly racist Greek journalist,” Trotter wrote. Khan also wrote a letter to VDARE, “a white nationalist website named after the first white child born in America, in which he discussed [an essay] concerning the threat of the United States becoming “more genetically and culturally Mexican.”

On Thursday night, Michael Eisen, a UC Berkeley professor, tweeted that Khan had been kicked off the opinion page. Khan later confirmed that news, telling one follower: “Yeah, told me today. [I] may contribute one-off op-eds in future. I’m chill about it. It wasn’t a surprise that [people] went ballistic.”


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  • UC-Davis also has Norm Matloff. It must be the sane UC campus.

  • Easyrhino

    The New York Times no doubt defines “racist publications” as any publication that doesn’t agree with their (or the $PLC’s) far left wing agenda.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Not only the New York Slimes but also Neocon Review under their wuss editor Rich “Al Sharpton Is Right” Lowry.

    • Publius Pompilius Quietus

      The Gawker page that out’d Mr. Khan is full of intellectually lazy language, including accusing race realists of racial supremacism. Anyone who accuses a person of being a white supremacist because he or she recognizes natural differences between the races and the evolutionary reason for which is either an idiot or a demagogue.

      • Kenner

        I saw that, and thought, yes, Stephan Jay Gould was a ‘scientist’ too, but a Marxist first and foremost.
        Discover mag had an article awhile back that showed his stats in ‘The Mis-Measure of Man’ were apparently so inaccurate as to be deliberately misleading.

      • Earl P. Holt III

        Makes one feel like Galileo, doesn’t it…?

        • Reverend Bacon

          “Eppur si muove”

          • Earl P. Holt III

            You is sho nuff sum kine o’ edumacated brane-docter, isn’t you…?

          • Reverend Bacon

            Not sure I should up-vote a spit take, but it was an old keyboard.

          • Earl P. Holt III

            Thank God: You haven’t lost your sense of humor…

      • Spikeygrrl

        “The Gawker page that out’d Mr. Khan is full of intellectually lazy language…[Emphasis added]

        ::Still wiping tears of laughter:: Golly that’s rich! Thanks for starting off my Sunday with a belly laugh, no matter how unintentionally.

    • Yancy Derringer

      Some of us think racial discrimination is plainly and simply wrong. After the second, or the third, or the fourth, or the fifth time you’ve been denied consideration for a job because you’re white, it’s a relief to read an op-ed on race that doesn’t say it’s racist to complain about being discriminated against.

    • MikeofAges

      “The New York Times no doubt defines “racist publications” as any publication that doesn’t agree with their … far left wing agenda.”

      Not quite, though close enough. What modern leftist parties aspire is a Popular Front or leftist coalition government which by fiat rules as a permanent majority, whether that majority is confirmed at ballot box or not. Then they want to define what forms of opposition to them are allowed. That means only unavailing opposition.

      Before the fall of communism, the DDR (East Germany) had been turned into the East Bloc’s laboratory of advanced Socialism. They had begun to allow opposition parties to exist and function, but only the ones they had approved. And they could function only on the basis and taking the stances the regime had preapproved.

      This is the impulse which American leftists, both elitist and street, are motivated by. Everything about them says so. Nor can you have leftism without coercion. Their own theory requires it.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    Notice there is no attempt to debunk Khan’s work via debate or analysis. Merely smear Khan and like-minded authors and be done with it. It’s a more effective way to frighten away other authors who are considering traveling down that road.

    • Weisheit77

      You want a debate? Clearly, sir, you are a troglodyte, knuckle dragging racist. This is settled science!
      At least that’s what my Sociology professor told me…

    • Kenner

      I looked at some comments on the Gawker article by anti-racists ‘debunking’ realist views on intelligence. They would make Occam’s Razor cry real tears.

    • Reverend Bacon

      So this is really the crux of the matter. Policies like the Times’ clearly truncate the right tail of the distribution. If you are capable of analysis, pattern recognition, and number-crunching, you are likely to come to the conclusions of Murray, Shockley, Watson, Derbyshire, Richwine, and others.

  • propagandaoftruth

    “Yeah, told me today. [I] may contribute one-off op-eds in future. I’m chill about it. It wasn’t a surprise that [people] went ballistic.”

    Good attitude. A little on the dark side, but…welcome to the clan, I guess.

    • A “little on the dark side?” What’s with the contorted fingers? Good grief, why do so many in the younger generation feel the need to mimic black and Mexican gang signs?

      Here’s a seemingly intelligent young man, and yet he felt the need to do this sort of thing as someone took a picture of him. I guess it means you’re ‘cool’ or something. To me, it’s childish and mimics far too much of the lower cultures that both blacks and Hispanics bathe in.

      • It’s the same with women who insist on doing duckface in all their pictures. What a lousy, messed up bunch of youth, corrupted by a sick culture.

        • LHathaway

          I have no idea what duckface is.

          • Reynardine

            Keep it that way.

          • Kenner

            I had to google it.

          • Consider yourself lucky.

          • Yancy Derringer

            Isn’t it a Hollywood plastic surgery movement?

          • This is a mild case of duckface. Look up “what is duckface” and watch the ugliness of a stupid fad borrowed from the Negro.

      • propagandaoftruth

        It’s weird. The mind is like a monkey. It masturbates and flings feces at those who cage and stare at it to intently.

        Something about this story brain staples me.

      • Jaggers

        Maybe he’s being ironic.

      • Sick of it

        In all fairness, he’s part black.

        • Zimriel

          No Khan’s not. He’s not at all.

          Google “Guest post by Razib Khan: My personal genome” on genomesunzipped dotorg. He’s 57% European (meaning Aryan, from Iran; not to be confused with “Aryan” like you-know-who) and he’s 43% Asian (meaning Dravidian etc).

          Basically he’s mid-to-high-caste Indian, which is pretty much what I’d expected although the article hints that he HAD thought he was whiter than he is. Khan was/is honest and forthright enough not to mind that he was proven (slightly) wrong on that much.

      • Reverend Bacon

        Are you sure it’s not a coded message to those idiots who fired him? He seems like a bright guy, and capable of it. I wouldn’t bet against it.

    • Jason Lewis

      What’s with the gang signs?

      • propagandaoftruth

        This has me brain stapled. Shrug?

      • Weisheit77

        That’s the Genetics gang from the East Side of the UC Davis campus. They roll hard.

      • LeonNJ

        Lahore represent, homie!

      • Katherine McChesney

        I have a question. Did the ‘high five’ originate with black gangs?

    • Weisheit77

      If you figure in Asians, racial realists are by far the world’s majority of people.
      In college I have known many “racist” Indians and East Asians. Once they get here it doesn’t take them too long to see what is going on. It’s just do they get angry and join the racial racket for personal gain or do they get angry and start hating? That is the question.

      It’s another illogical hangup the lefties have… after they get done repenting for imperialism they then encourage progressive values for countries in a places like Asia. Logic is wasted on a leftist.

      • Zimriel

        If we’re talking college – they see lots of pretty white girls who don’t want Asian nerds. And then they see lots of pretty Asian girls who ALSO don’t want Asian nerds (these go for the white nerds). Makes ’em grumpy.

        • 李冠毅

          I’m not too sure about that. From what I read, Indian males have a higher miscegenation rate than Indian females.

          • listenupbub

            Indian females are not seen to be attractive at all.

        • Weisheit77

          As a guy who has numerous Asian friends (sorry John Engelman), but even those ones don’t agree with negro ideology, as we understand it.
          But I will agree with the “Derbyshire/Engelman” theory that these people are our natural allies and can be used to disrupt the narrative regarding race, “privilege”, and the natural order, as the academies would have it.
          Hey, John, my Asian friends and I are going to see a Norwegian band in Philly this weekend. I know you live in Wilmington. We can stop by and pick you up. College educated Asians and Norwegian White culture…

          • listenupbub

            I think the variable is whether Asians feel “invincible” or not. Some Asians will give blacks all the affirmative action they want, still thinking Asians will rule the world anyways.

            Two Asians I met, who were very smart but had a little trouble with grades, got pissed about affirmative action. The thing is, they direct their hostilities at whites. Have you seen the anti-white Korean-American Suey Park?

            Remember, 80-90 percent of Asians will act in the interest of their race, despite what the 10 percent of “whitewashed” Asians do. That is normal and not wrong, but it will surely be obstacle for the survival of whites in our country.

            Saying “Asians will be on our side” is like saying “Mexicans do jobs we won’t do for cheap!”

            There are no allies in the struggle for survival, not long-term.

          • newscomments70

            I have numerous Asian friends as well. 80% of them vote democrat though…not really natural allies, collectively speaking.

          • HE2

            Thanks, news. Asians are just as entitlement minded as other minority invaders, vote gibs ensuring Democratic, as likely to play the grievance game and ask for uni entrance set asides to the best schools.
            The difference is they loathe negroes, consider them nonhuman.
            That is the ONLY good bit.
            And, YES, mama, papa, grammas, grampas, aunties, cousins, even those unrelated are brought over over as quickly as they can book seats on an airliner.
            From disembark, it is do not pass go, relatives are escorted straight to the SS office, where SSD, free medical care, food, housing, etc., the works await.
            Sure, they succeed in large numbers, but are a legend for “playing the system.”
            In spite of this, we have several Asian software and medical colleagues. Not social friends, as we find them unsophisticated and childishly naive, boring, to be blunt.

          • newscomments70

            I have/had some decent Asian colleagues and friends. They can be intelligent, hard working and law-abiding. On the downside, collectively, they are democrats. There is also a fair amount of mafia and gang activity. Furthermore, they are into “cash only” businesses and hiring illegals. (Although plenty of rogue whites hire illegals).

            Recently I worked with a Korean guy in software development. He is impressively intelligent and hard-working. He was pleasant to work with, honest, etc. no complaints. He chain-smoked and drank like a fiend though. It was amazing. I don’t know how he functioned like that.

          • HE2

            Koreans seem to be a breed apart from the usual Asian.
            My Korean friend, a history professor in Colorado told me Koreans are the “Irish of Asia.”
            He meant poetic, literary, creative, more romantic, and yes, he confirmed the Irish taste for alcohol.

          • newscomments70

            I have to go there for work. I honestly can’t wait. Seoul looks amazing.

          • TheNameGame

            Clearly, you are talking out of your ass. You can’t even distinguish Asians from other Asians if you’re lumping them in such a large category and using a broad brush to paint such a large “group” of people. As if ALL Asians disliked black people, or ALL Asians want to come to America….delusional. Majority don’t care or don’t know any better, kind of like you in your town.

            Also, find me a statistic about the SS office and such. Would love to see all this information about this abundance free stuff for immigrants. Consider it your chance to teach me something. Thank you in advance.

          • Hilis Hatki

            A Vietnamese friend I knew in Houston told me people in his community like to bring their elder relatives, still in Vietnam, to America and then put them on every available government assistance program they can. I guess that is being smart.

      • propagandaoftruth

        Yeah, call it my White weakness, but when I hear or read some arguably sorta, maybe (under a 40 watt red light bulb) White-ish person talking like me…
        1. It rather brain staples me and…
        2. I have a hard time hatin’ on them.
        Shared hatreds – easing racial relations between non-inherently hostile racial/ethnic groups for millennia.
        Like my home gurl, Nikki Haley. I know, the blond/blue eyed racial uber purists here who seem to like me groan, but…
        Whatever. An America which consisted of like 80-90% White and the rest some form of Nikki Haley would be a White nation and probably a great place.
        Not that I’m pushing her, but though I’m NOT a miscenationist, I’m not an intransigent gnat strainer either.
        I’m like 2-5% Neanderthal, after all.

      • Itooktheredpill

        The vast majority of my Indian and Asian classmates routinely make offhand racist comments about blacks.

        The vast majority of them however explain black behavior and failings with culture and socioeconomics, at least publicly. What some of them think privately will remain a mystery for the time being.

        Basically just about every group is going to see black failure, its hard not to notice for anybody who still lives in reality.

        Its going to be especially evident to groups that have found success in america within one generation, they really are a great example for just how un-racist and fair america really is.

        • Spaniard in LA

          To be fair, most Asians and Indians that come to America are of the educated class. So it’s much easier for them to succeed. It’s like giving W Bush credit for becoming the 43rd president, when in reality his dad deserves the credit.

  • Biff_Maliboo

    If there was ever a website capable of getting the vapors, it’s Gawker Media.

    • evilsandmich

      The fact that the NYT takes their marching orders from those liberal trolls shows how far they have sunk. Would Gawker ever listen to NYT criticism? Right. Liberals will only let the most extreme clowns drive their car of little ideas.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    “Khan wrote 68 posts for Taki’s Magazine . . . Khan also wrote a letter to VDARE,”

    A New York Times termination of a columnist because of his association with Taki Mag and with VDARE is equivalent to a 5-star rating of the quality of the content and analysis of those two sites on critical human biodiversity questions.

    Race to those sites.

    • Usually Much Calmer

      Eh. Takimag is frivolous and VDARE myopic. I read neither. I believe I understand human biodiversity quite well.

      • Reynardine

        There’s some quality stuff on VDARE.

        Takimag, not so much. It’s all froth.

        • I do Takimag for:

          1. Gavin McInness

          2. Jim Goad

          3. Steve Sailer’s long form

          Other than that, I don’t think I’d be that interested.

          • Reynardine

            Goad and Sailer are always welcome, but I find their articles elsewhere anyway.

            I am not sure what McInness is often writing about.

          • Diversity Fatigue

            Not Sailer. He’s done everything within his power to promote miscegenation. Even had a debate with Jared about it years ago. Can’t stand him. A person who used to frequently post here challenged him on the morality of his position on race-mixing. Sailer went quiet. Crickets……

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            “Not Sailer. He’s done everything within his power promote miscegenation.”

            I’ve read just about every word he’s written these past ten years. That’s news to me. I challenge you to supply just ONE quote to that effect.

          • I’m as big of a Steve Sailer fan as anyone. I did read him on one occasion where he said that he wishes there was more interracial marriage in the United States, because it would reduce racial tensions. That it would do, but it would also undo 200,000 years of the evolution of our people in one generation.

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            I do have a vague sense that 6-8 years ago I heard one discordant note from Sailer. He quickly got back “in tune.” That may be the “one occasion” you think you recall. What is certain is that is Sailer has not, as Diversity Fatique says, “done everything in his power to promote miscegenation.”

          • Diversity Fatigue

            Hilareous. Were you even aware of the debate on the subject between him (pro) and JT (con)? Also, I am not about to direct anyone here to his poison on the subject. I did that a few years ago and some faux, i.e., WINOs, used his trash as an excuse for miscegenation. I ain’t saying another word about that race-mixing con.

          • Cecil Broomsted

            Yes, please do not draw any more attention to it. Those bent on destroying the white race through miscegenation need no additional encouragement.

          • Zimriel

            Add Dalrymple to the list; to the top of your list in fact.

            As for Taki himself… well, he is to Takimag what Peretz was to the New Republic. He’s a big ego treating his magazine as a vanity-press. He really should save his own material for a personal blog, outside his editorial work.

        • Usually Much Calmer

          Eh. Perhaps if time were unlimited. But I am only half way through War and Peace and have been for a decade while my oldest friend insists the totality of it it life changing. I would also like to make a grain mill for my boyfriend who has a brewing hobby.

          • Reynardine

            If you do make a grain mill for your brewer-boyfriend, don’t pattern it after the soft oat mills or grinders. You only want to crack the malt enough to expose the endosperm within. Make a proper flat roller grain mill that can be driven by a long crank or a drill and let it be able to rest over a 5 gallon plastic pail.

            I’ve always wanted a pro-white beer company. I mean, after all, the ‘Brew has one:


          • Usually Much Calmer

            Thank you, Reynardine.

            Is there a difference in material? The one I’ve seen at the supply store had meshed helical rollers. They were steel, natch. If I went with flat rollers I could use ceramic or stone and I imagine that might make a difference.

            He’brew always struck me as novelty so I’ve never tried it. There was a Gawker-type article I read a few years ago about how microbrewing didn’t attract enough black people. (Of course. Can’t find it now.) Don’t recall if you’ve ever said where you live but I am in Chicago and one of the best things about the place is that the upper midwest is on fire right now in terms of local beer. Superlative. The reason I let hipsters live.

            Next time, let’s chat about Tolstoy and theories of history.

          • Reynardine

            I don’t think there’s much of a difference between materials for the rollers, as long as they’re flat.

            Beer is a good reason as any to let hipsters live. That, and I love their antics. Only ironically, however.

            He’Brew, much like the ethnic group that produced it, is mediocre with a penchant for novelty and self-promotion.

            I think I read that on Gawker and a few other white guilt porno sites on the hand wringing about the lack of black brewers. Recently, there was an amateur brewing competition where a black woman won. By all accounts, her beer was middling, but the judges seemed to favour her anyway. They won’t leave anything alone, will they?

        • listenupbub

          What’s wrong with Takimag?

        • Epiminondas

          Fred Reed writes for them. He’s good.

        • propagandaoftruth

          Taki’s is fun. You can get away with bloody murder in the blogs, but it’s still not Nazi central like Altright.

          When I get “elected” supreme grand leader of the falangist Cromwellian interregnum before the emergence of “New America”…

          How’s that for some messianic anti-Marxism?

          Anyway Altright is on one of my lists…

          But Taki’s is fun. Lighten up sometimes, sheesh. Sip a martini with some countess or old Greek guy…

      • Weisheit77

        Both sites are pretty good.

        • Usually Much Calmer

          The man has to eat to live, no?

        • GeneticsareDestiny

          You can still read the transcripts of each Radio Derb podcast at his website for free. They get posted the Tuesday after the podcast.

  • Taki and Vdare are NOT racist. Their content is written at a high intellectual level, which may have pushed the jealousy buttons at the NYTimes, given the tripe that comes out of that shop. And no one cant convince me that they didn’t know who Khan had written for, including for Unz.

    Taki does not take being smeared. He challenged one of his critics to a “no rules cage match” last year. I hope he challenges that twerp that owns the Times to a no rules cage match too. When he cowers under his desk, Taki can have the last laugh.

  • superlloyd

    Genetics beez rayciss to the New Yok Slimes even when a dark Indian is the author of race realist genetic insights.

  • Jason Lewis

    “Trotter wrote. Khan also wrote a letter to VDARE, “a white nationalist website named after the first white child born in America” Actually if Trotter took five seconds to look at VDARE’s web site it states they’re named after the first known child of English decent born in America. They state it’s likely Vikings had children born here first.

    • phorning

      Yes, Peter Brimelow has a lengthy explanation of this in the site’s FAQs. He also goes to great lengths to explain it is not white nationalist. Of course, facts don’t matter to the people smearing the site.

  • Mack0

    It’s a shame. Kahn’s column is amazing. I read it regularly. The man knows his stuff.

    • Epiminondas

      He’s not going anywhere. You can still read his columns elsewhere. And now, he’ll have a reason to dislike the NYTimes and its ilk. Think he won’t take his revenge if he gets the chance?

      • Mack0

        I know you’re right. I only wish he could get the recognition and by extension the fortune he deserves.

  • De Doc

    It is funny how the Left decries the other side as anti-science until discussions on race start. Then these looney toons are the first to kick voluminous amounts of data and scientific research to the curb all in an effort to guard their sacred ideology.

  • JohnEngelman

    How can we have the conversation on race liberals ask for when the expression of opinions that offend liberals can destroy a career in political commentary?

    I am liberal on many issues. Nevertheless, the liberal hypocrisy on racial matters appalls me.

    Drawing attention to basic facts about black social pathology can be a career stopper, unless one blames the facts on white racism.

    When it comes to racial matters, liberals seem to be afraid of the truth.

  • JohnEngelman

    When you click on the original article you will find comments similar to comments here on American Renaissance. The internet makes it difficult for powerful people to impede the spread of facts and ideas.

    • jaye ellis

      There are usually a few opening in political incorrect, pro White free speech.

      In the early 1990s, it was Talk Radio. Talk Radio is now heavily censored or Neo Conservative.

      • JohnEngelman

        What you call neo conservatism I call traditional Republican advocacy of efforts to skew things as much as possible in favor of the well to do, and to starve the public sector of the economy while using its emaciation in order to argue that the private sector is better.

        • Neo-cons are perfectly happy to expand the public sector of the economy, as long as they’re certain public sectors that benefit those that write checks to neo-con think tanks.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Republican Party exists in order to make the rich richer. Since 1981 they have done that very well.

          • Epiminondas

            Say what you will, it’s still the Party of Lincoln.

          • JohnEngelman

            And Teddy Roosevelt. The Democratic Party is the party of Thomas Jefferson and Franklin Roosevelt. Lincoln, Jefferson, and both Roosevelt’s are my favorite four presidents.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Engleman is a semite loving white lib.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are right about that.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            LOL. He even admits to it, but unlike other white libs, he does not make it a secret that he hates negroes.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not admit it. I am proud of it.

            I hate no one because of his or her race.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Liar. You hate white people and sabotage white interests. So you also hate yourself if you are white.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are projecting your hatred onto me.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Nope. Just smoking you out.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have always been very clear about expressing my opinions.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            I am sure you have.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            yeah sure.

          • Some of FDR’s pet navy projects during the 1930’s were iffy at best, and often completely hairbrained, such as combining the functions of a cruiser and a light carrier in one ship with a flight deck aft and nine 6-inch guns forward. A cruiser is designed to directly engage hostile surface warships. A carrier needs to run away from the same, and fly off airstrikes from a distance. Giving a cruiser a hangar running 2/3 the length of the ship, with high, unprotected sides and then filling that hanger with expensive, flammable aircraft – and then sending it into action against other cruisers – is dimwittery of the purest ray supreme. Three or four floatplanes was all a cruiser needed at the time, and all the Washington/London Treaty type could really afford.

            His advice in some of these projects came from Admiral Pratt, who wrote a simulation used in some 1930’s navy wargames that assumed that the capabilities of damaged warships would be degraded in relatively homogeneous chunks, much the way a pizza is cut up and eaten. Damage effects in actual fighting off the Solomons in 1942-43 thus came as a major surprise.

    • sl

      That’s why many websites are doing away with comments. CNN and Fox have removed comments from most of their articles, dailymail will shut them down if the article has a racial angle, and many sites will moderate their comments section until 50-60% of the comments have been deleted.

  • Weisheit77

    In matters of race the “social scientists” tell the scientists what they can and cannot say today in the West. A PhD in Sociology trumps a PhD in genetics when talking about race in the academy today.

    • John Smith

      A pseudoscience beats science.

      • Epiminondas

        Emotion beats thinking.

        • Mack0

          If that ain’t the truth, brother.

  • IKUredux

    I don’t want anybody named Razib Khan in my corner. PERIOD. He is not of my people. Therefore, he is suspect. What, exactly are his motives? I don’t trust anyone who is not of my tribe. And, I hardly trust any of them.

    • Zimriel

      Read his blog. He’s not shy about his motives: they are to follow the research, wherever it may lead.

      He’s an apostate from Islam so he doesn’t get any affirmative-action credit for that. All he gets from affirmative-action is that he has to tell recruiters he’s Asian – which hurts him worse than it hurts you.

      Really I doubt he cares if you trust him or not.

      • jaye ellis

        We didn’t do very well in the end by welcoming supposedly new Conservatives, “Neo Conservatives” Indian Asians to our side like…

        Dinesh D’Souza – or the affirmative action Indian governors of South Carolina and Louisiana.

        Their version of “conservatives” usually, always include flooding White nations with the entire 3rd world, only their are a few Conservative, free market spins.

      • Mack0

        Good science is a good science. I read his blog regularly.

  • Zimriel

    That was a post Unz did himself. It was a classic.

    It went gone well with Moldbug’s parallel thesis that the most interesting struggle of the postwar era was the Brahmin / Optimate conflict, which the Brahmins won. Unz draws the circle around Jews as a bloc; Moldbug as you know draws it around liberal New England Yankees and secular Jews. It seems to me that the intersection is the hard core.

  • Truly an interesting point, Mr. Taylor makes it quite abundantly clear that he and Amren as an entity are “race realist” and not “white supremacist”, but really … you need to tie a rather twisted mental knot, to not acknowledge that one race is, in quite a few many useful ways, “supreme”.

    Maybe that’s what a lot of the hatred and fear towards us really is … race realism naturally DOES lend itself to white supremacism, and that scares the excrement out of “them”… the fact that admitting racial differences means acknowledging certain races are, quite simply, inferior. And when you belong to one of those inferior groups … well… of course that’s rather hard to deal with, I suppose.

    • Zimriel

      It all depends on what “lends itself” means.

      Race-realism, it seems to me, would appeal most to East Asians.

      • Realist

        Or Ashkenazi Jews. And of course they are race realists par excellence.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Most jews I know, even the Ivy Leaguers, would vehemently deny their purported intellectual superiority to the grave. Most would quite sincerely deny their intellectual superiority even to a black living in a cardboard box under Penn Station. Of course, jews also suffer disproportionately from mental illness. The world would be a much saner place if jews practiced race realism.

          • Realist

            I think most Jews are quite aware of their average IQ superiority, regardless of what they profess. Jews promote ‘diversity’ for whites but do not want it in Israel.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I’m sorry to interrupt but that’s actually a bit of a myth: in fact Israel, like pretty much any developed non-Asian nation, has been infected with some sort of dieversity cargo cult.

            20% of the population is Arab and they’re politically very organized: during the recent election drama there were rumors Labour was going to form a coalition with the United Arab party in case of victory, something utterly taboo until very recently.

            In Tel Aviv Arab man&Jewish woman mixed couples are a common sight. In Israel there’s a vociferous minority of leftist pro-muslim freaks continuously peeing on their own country.

            Israel in the last 30 years has also seen an influx of very diverse immigration, first the Falasha from Ethiopia then the Russians, who, in most cases, are Yid like me(1/4) or even less.

            Add on top of that the African refugees (some of them got resettled in Europe but most of them are still in Israel), the immigrants from Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, China etc) and the constant flow of Christian Arabs fleeing their own land for greener pastures et voila you get another inherently unstable clusterfreak of a nation.

            I give Israel 30 to 50 years before it collapses, and it won’t be because of some Arab or Nazi blitzkrieg, Israel demise will be enabled by its own contradictions.

          • Realist

            We obviously disagree.

          • IBWHITE

            I recall reading where DNA studies confirmed that Palestinian’s and Israeli Jews were of the same racial makeup. If that’s accurate then the only thing that separates the two is religion.

          • Simonitz Levi Rothstein

            That depends. Most Jews are NOT racists or supremacists per se. They are simply objective & practical like Indians and east Asians. For some odd reason, people like Mr or Dr (whatever) David Duke & his ilk at stormfront et al seem heavily obsessed in fabricating wild conspiracy theories about how Die Juden really control almost everything in the world. I’m genetically 100% Jewish, albeit an Atheist by choice, and I’ve never personally felt nor do I know any of my fellow Jewish family members and friends who feel almighty, powerful & invincible!

            The closest you find to “Jewish supremacists” are < 11% of the world Jewry – Orthodox Hassidic Ultra Conservative Jewry. To be honest most Israelis and Jews alike despise them. Most everyday Jews are nothing like the Orthodox minority!

          • Realist

            “….albeit an Atheist by choice….”
            How else would you be an Atheist?

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Really. Just look at every movement against western civilization and you will see that there is a sneaky jew or their money behind it.

          • Speedy Steve

            The average IQ of Israel is only 94. It must be all those Arabs dragging down the mean.

          • Realist

            Ashkenazi Jews on average have the highest IQ scores on any group.

      • I’ve mentioned once or twice that I’ve spent several years living in Asia, specifically Japan and Korea, and I highly admire their people, culture, intelligence, and food. But as another commenter, I believe of Chinese descent, mentioned whites invent, asians refine, and blacks/browns destroy (He may have worded it a bit differently, but the sentiment remains the same).

        That is a very honest, simple, and accurate assessment , and why I’d lean towards whites being “superior” even if only slightly. We have, as a group, a creative, imaginitive spark which all others seem to lack, we have an individual drive which pushes us farther, higher, faster, and harder than any other, and this is what makes us great.

        My original comment is a bit misleading, I suppose, as I’m no “white supremacist” in any tangible way, a mindset of “whites are the greatest thing in the universe” doesn’t rule my every waking thought. And I do think Asians are remarkable for what they can accomplish as a group, putting their mental abilities and conformity together creates a powerful tool to build and refine the world around them.

        I also think that whites, as a group, are losing or have lost a lot of that “spark” which made us great, we are becoming weak and broken, hollow shells of what we were. But we are still, as a race, superior by quite a few units of measure, if only for the time being.

        • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

          They have succeeded using mostly white technology. Yet their countries are still trash holes.

          • I take it you must have spent quite a bit of time in their countries to determine that they are “trash holes” ?

      • Mack0

        I agree. For white race-realists IQ data does not justify animosity toward East Asians nor does it entitle a sense of superiority. Whites and East Asians may disagree on cultural elements being better or worse but in terms of IQ and civility, EAs and Whites are in the same boat as far as I’m concerned.

        Many of issues that are in the best interest of whites are also in the best interest of EAs. My opinion differs from many white-advocates on this point but for me it’s never been broadly about color but IQ and culture. Because something or someone is of European origin doesn’t automatically mean it’s good or better.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      This is where I would point out that while race is not a social construct, the concept of inferiority sure is.

      We think Western civilization is “superior”? Of course we do. We built it. For us. It’s designed for us. The way it functions best revolves around our strengths.

      If we were a totally different people and had built a totally different civilization, we would think that too was “supreme.”

      I realize that’s a weird and difficult mental exercise. It’s pretty much impossible to completely step outside of ourselves, and there’s probably always an inherent level on which it is disingenuous. But for the sake of intellectual honesty…

  • Light from the East

    New York Slimes again! Feel surprised? Any publication related to genetics of race is forbidden if you work for them. But the most strange thing is I remember last time New York Slimes did talk about “feel good gene” (the gene is more likely to be found in Africans).

  • Reverend Bacon

    Horses for courses. If you are playing in the NBA among the 1-percenters, being able to do heart surgery won’t get you very far. But if you are at a trauma center in darkest Detroit, your basketball skills won’t help either.

    • Realist

      Basketball is to entertain low IQ whites.

  • awb

    White supremacy is academic.

  • maelstrom

    “a white nationalist website named after the first white child born in America, in which he discussed [an essay] concerning the threat of the United States becoming “more genetically and culturally Mexican.”

    No, meeec, Virgina Dare was the first child born from ENGLISH parents in America. The first white child born in America was Martin de Argüelles, in La Florida.

    • Mack0

      It kinds of nullifies their argument that Vdare is nothing but a bunch of white racist when they regularly feature a column by an Asian.

    • Hilis Hatki

      That honor would have went, decades before, to the child of a Spanish couple who were in the De Soto expedition. During a night attack by Chickasaws the pregnant woman went back into a burning house to retrieve a box of pearls and perished.

    • curri

      There was a Viking child born in North America long before that. See the wikipedia entry for Snorri Thorfinnsson.

  • John Smith

    The economics of the two show basketball to be the more highly valued, unfortunately. This should be emblematic of how failed our society is and how misplaced its priorities.

  • Mack0

    I second your recommendation. Kahn writes about genetics without a hint of political bias. Kahn goes where the data leads him. He has even mentioned he leans broadly left on topics. None of that matters because he puts science over politics.

  • sddasasd

    “Razib was less extreme and more obnoxious than some of the other mainly non-white bloggers there.”

    I’ve always found Khan obnoxious (he’s also openly into pornography), but there was one blogger on there who was both more extreme and obnoxious, that being Godless Capitalist, one of the co-founders of GNXP, and also south asian (indian specifically.) They’d truly have a field day if they saw the full scope of his rants and meltdowns, which Razib let flow without any issue.

  • listenupbub

    The problem with nerds (from the point of view of a single girl) is that they are boring, not romantic, and definitely not sexual in real life. They have soft bodies, and are also emotionally weak oftentimes.

    Why would a girl want that when [she thinks] she can have a muscular, sexual male, who is funny and emotionally strong?

    • Simonitz Levi Rothstein

      By your logic, most girls should swoon at black athletes who on an average seem more muscular, athletic, funnier and “cooler” than most whites (who tend to be of the nerdy persuasion, not as much as the Asiatic ones though!). Consistency please!

    • I’m a bit nerdy, but I suspect you are combining many complaints into one package. I’m not fat, if that’s what you mean by “soft bodies”, and my own mother says my hands look like they belong on a serial-killer. I made the shank for another fishing spear tip today, turning the screw threads into the steel by hand with a threading die. I welded the shank onto a nut, with the rest of the threads sticking past that, so the assembly can be screwed into an identical nut I welded onto the socket pinned to the rattan shaft. This way, I can use two wrenches to lock an interchangeable tip down onto the shaft socket. I have already finished the (handmade) wrenches.

      The shank got a slot cut into it, which mated with a slot I cut into the barbed tip I machined, before welding those together. I will heat-treat and polish the finished part and then hot-blue it before I call it “finished”. I am making a very complete set of those, and once I am done, I will produce a nice, wooden storage box for the tips, tools, spare sockets and locking pins.

      Those “girls” get to fool around, but at the end of the day, they’re finished when they decide they want a real man. Three different versions of genital herpes isn’t very appealing.

      • listenupbub

        You seem to understand what I meant better than the other commenter. I am also not an “alpha” male, exactly. I like comics.

        I am literally parroting what girls themselves have said, particularly what a certain famous intersectional feminist writer who embarrassingly prefers white males has said.

  • SlizzardAjeosshi

    “As for the Koreans, many of the ones in the United States are Christian and that often encourages/facilitates miscegenation with whites.”

    Well having married a S. Korean woman (hey i never pretended i was a WN) i have come to a slightly different conclusion about the particularly high rate of interracial coupling displayed by Koreans, comparing to other North East Asians, despite their (not unjust) reputation for fierce, xenophobic nationalism.

    Well Koreans are a strange lot, at the same time typical North east Asian uber-nerds and the so-called Irish of Asia.

    They’re the tallest, physically most intimidating East Asians, they have one of the highest rates of alcoholism on the planet and their murder rate is significantly higher than other Asian nations. Korea is a loud, pushy, futuristic yet slightly chaotic place where local masculinity is honed by one of the longest and most brutal military services in the world.

    Think of Koreans as the Asian equivalent of a pack English 80’s soccer hooligans, when you add on top of that the neck breaking speed of the rags to riches trajectory, it isn’t surprising they developed vastly more promiscuous sexual mores than their neighboring countries.

    It’s a turbo-capitalist society rife with alcoholism and a widespread bad boy/bad girl culture: not surprisingly pretty much anything goes up there.

  • Hilis Hatki

    After giving Khan’s writings a go I have to say “Wow lots going on there” . Having been greatly influenced while studying biology, evolution and such under Professor Eugene Sledge I will politely keep my opinions of human intelligence to myself. However it is nice to know that if my child is going to be a picky eater, that society may allow me to kill such a abomination.

  • gubblerchechenova

    Do you suppose white political cravenness can be explained by the Titanic Factor?

    Maybe white politicians know the game is over for white politics and power. So, all they have left is to save and salvage themselves and their goodies.
    Suppose the ship is sinking for sure. What do you do? You can’t save the ship. And if you try to help others, you might die with them. So, all that’s left for you to do is get on the lifeboat with your own goodies.

    White folks took it for granted that white power would be permanent. But it’s sinking fast. And with Jews and homos in control, there is no effective white influence to speak of. So, white elites and politicians are in panic mode. Since the white ship is sinking and most whites are gonna go under the tide of color, what is there for the elites and politicians to do but save their own skins in fancy gentrified cities and institutions where they curry favors from oligarchs. It is their lifeboat.

    If the white ship weren’t sinking and could be saved, maybe more white politicians and elites might risk their necks for the good of the whole. But if the ship is gonna go down for sure, why bother?
    Same in war. If there’s still a chance of defending your nation, you might risk your neck for the good of the whole. But if your nation is sure to face defeat and if the enemy is sure to occupy your nation and do as it pleases, why risk your neck anymore? Why not try to save your own skin and curry favor with the enemy–like the Landa character in INGLORIOUS BASTERDS.
    If there’s some chance of winning, you might risk it. But if there is no chance, the only choice left is to play the whore and save yourself OR perish or face enslavement with the rest.

    Because white elites and politicos know it’s all lost, they are caving to every globo-oligarchic demands: amnesty, ‘gay marriage’, cult of diversity, hosannas to MLK and Mandela, eradication of Confederate symbols, calling for War on Russia and Iran, etc.
    It’s all about saving themselves since the white power ship is gone. All that is left is Jews and homos who get to decide to gets on the lifeboat and who doesn’t.
    And white elites and politicos wanna get on.

    When the game is lost, many elite types will just try to save themselves. When France lost to Germany, many French elites just collaborated. When Germany lost to USSR and US, many German elites(even virulent Nazi ones) switched loyalties to save themselves. Japanese elites acted the same way with the American occupiers. Few people have the will and courage to resist to the end. (In France, many in the Resistance were communists and Jews not necessarily because they were nobler but because they were two groups who were not offered a chance to whore themselves out to save their skins. They had no choice but to resist and risk their necks since the only other option was imprisonment or death.)

    Another reason for the sheer cravenness of the white elites and politicos is that American politics has become very much a zero sum game of winners and losers.
    In the past, there were gradations of rights and wrongs about everything.
    You didn’t have to totally agree with the prevailing orthodoxy or fashion to be allowed to stay in the game.

    On the race issue, one could have a position in society for being pro-MLk, neutral about MLK, anti-MLK, and etc. Even into the 1980s, the National Review had doubts about the lionization of MLK. Today, one has to be pro-MLK or else. If you mouth just the slightest criticism of the Bouncer of the Mall, you get in big big trouble.

    Same in regard to Jews. There was a time when you could be pro-Israel, neutral about Israel, or an ‘Arabist’. Today, you better be a philo-Semite or else. The recent criticism of Netanhayu is about personality, not about Jews. He’s excoriated for acting like a jerk… though it’s amusing how Liberals are conflicted in having to choose between Obama the black guy and Netanhayu the Jewish guy. After all, Libs are supposed to be so pro-black and pro-Jewish.
    And there’s the homo issue. There was a time when people in media, entertainment, and government could be pro-homo, neutral about homo, or anti-homo. Today, unless you’re pro-homo, you’re OUT.
    So, it’s all a zero sum game of WIN or LOSE ALL. This is the effect of PC that promoted a very Manichean rule of power and politics. “If you are not for THIS, then we are all against you and destroy you completely.” Under this kind of pressure, the craven white elites and politicos just go along with whatever happens to the new mantra or correctness because they are not offered a choice of pro-, neutral, or anti-. They can only be pro- on some things and only be anti- on other things.

    This shouldn’t be too surprising given the natural personalities of Jews, homos, and blacks. Jews are pushy and arrogant by nature. Homos are sneering, snotty, and whoopy-a-poo by nature. Negroes, as allies of Jews and homos, are loud, brash, and crazy like Al Sharpton or self-centered & unreflective like Charles Blow(hard). Or that Tessy Coates mofo.

    Once these people got the power, they don’t want anyone disagreeing with them on anything. If they say we can only be pro-something, we better be for pro-that-thing because the rule of zero sum game says all other options are FAIL.

    Even Razhid Khan the non-white got wiped out by zero-sum game or zero-sum-shame.

  • Pat Boyle

    There is a famous saying that I hope I get right (I’m sure someone will correct me if I don’t).

    ‘Go to the Ganges. Sit and watch the water. Soon your enemy will float by’.

    I never quite knew what it meant. But now I do. Razib Khan banned me from commenting on his web site for reasons I never quite understood. He was absolutely rabid in his hatred of me. He could not have been more vicious.

    It was a bit of a mystery to me. I’m invariably polite online and while we probably don’t agree on every single issue, I’m probably am pretty close to him politically on most issues. Strange.

    But now I read similar stories from other Internet bloggers and commenters. He reacted to many others the same way it seems.

    • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

      My question like above is to find out if this muslim fellow is for western civilization or not? I guess from your experience he is not. Am I right????

      • Pat Boyle

        Well that was the nature of our dispute. Very astute of you.

        • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

          Thanks! Now I know not to feel bad for this muslim because he got fired.

  • Sloppo

    Hopefully, this incident will serve as an example for any other uppity writers who think they can truthful and forthright and still write articles for the New York Times.

  • Jason Lewis

    That I don’t know but I suppose they would be Spanish decent.

  • regbs

    The supremacism of Jews is the the only acceptable supremacism. Simply submitting articles is grounds for dismissal. So much for the vibrant marketplace of ideas championed by WASP culture. The Jewish Bolshevik model is punishment and censorship.

  • mark g.

    Ironically, censorship and intolerance have become the hallmark of today’s progressive politics.

  • RaySist27

    I agree with you. I also sense that they want us dead.

  • Constant Reader

    Razib Khan has been a doctoral candidate for so long that it’s beginning to be embarrassing; it’s been almost a decade since he got his BS. His area of expertise is the domestic cat, not human beings.

    I haven’t noticed in his writings that he is anti-white, or anti-anything in particular. But I have noticed that he doesn’t say anything that is strikingly interesting or original. Peter Frost is much more interesting in this way–and his expertise is in human beings, having a doctorate in anthropology.

    The main point of this episode seems to be that if you want to be a powerful and influential media personage, you go to work for someplace like Gawker, not the New York Times: When Gawker says hop, the New York Times, lifts up its dragging skirts and feebly hops.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Will somebody please explain to me why Vdare and Amren are interested in this muslim guy? Is he for western civlization or against???