For Asian Americans, a Changing Landscape on College Admissions

Frank Shyong, Los Angeles Times, February 21, 2015

Inside a windowless classroom at an Arcadia tutoring center, parents crammed into child-sized desks and dug through their pockets and purses for pens as Ann Lee launches a PowerPoint presentation.

Her primer on college admissions begins with the basics: application deadlines, the relative virtues of the SAT versus the ACT and how many Advanced Placement tests to take.

Then she eases into a potentially incendiary topic–one that many counselors like her have learned they cannot avoid.

“Let’s talk about Asians,” she says.

Lee’s next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant’s race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points–in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

Zenme keyi,” one mother hisses in Chinese. How can this be possible?

College admission season ignites deep anxieties for Asian American families, who spend more than any other demographic on education. At elite universities across the U.S., Asian Americans form a larger share of the student body than they do of the population as a whole. And increasingly they have turned against affirmative action policies that could alter those ratios, and accuse admissions committees of discriminating against Asian American applicants.

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Lee is the co-founder of HS2 Academy, a college prep business that assumes that racial bias is a fact of college admissions and counsels students accordingly. At 10 centers across the state, the academy’s counselors teach countermeasures to Asian American applicants. The goal, Lee says, is to help prospective college students avoid coming off like another “cookie-cutter Asian.”

“Everyone is in orchestra and plays piano,” Lee says. “Everyone plays tennis. Everyone wants to be a doctor, and write about immigrating to America. You can’t get in with these cliche applications.”

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In the San Gabriel Valley, where aspirationally named tutoring centers such as Little Harvard and Ivy League cluster within walking distance of high schools, many of them priced more cheaply than a baby-sitter, it didn’t take long for some centers to respond to students’ and parents’ fears of being edged out of a top school because of some intangible missing quality.

Helping Asian American students, many of whom lead similar lives, requires the embrace of some stereotypes, says Crystal Zell, HS2’s assistant director of counseling. They are good at math and bad at writing and aspire to be doctors, engineers or bankers, according to the cliches. She works with her students to identify what’s unique about them–and most of the time, that’s not their career ambitions or their ethnicity.

“Everyone comes in wanting the same thing,” Zell said. “But that’s because they don’t know about anything else.”

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Complaints about bias in college admissions have persisted since at least the 1920s, when a Harvard University president tried to cap the number of Jewish students. In November, a group called Students for Fair Admissions filed a suit against Harvard University for admissions policies that allegedly discriminate against Asian Americans. The group cited the 2004 Princeton study and other sources that offer statistics about Asian Americans’ test performance.

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Lee says that she usually tries to at least mention arguments in favor of diversity at her free college seminars. She mentions how the black student population at UCLA has declined precipitously and how student bodies at elite universities probably shouldn’t be 100% of Asian descent. When she looks to see the response, she sees mostly slowly shaking heads.

“It’s really hard for me to explain diversity to parents whose only goal is getting their son into Harvard,” Lee says.

That same ethic causes parents and students to agonize over which box, if any, to check on the race and nationality section of the application. One parent asked Zell whether it would help to legally change the family name to something more Western-sounding.

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  • SeaMonkey Browser

    I am sure those schools provide very high quality education, and their graduates are very knowledgeable, and they sure must have worked hard to earn their degree,

    But they won’t get a job if there simply is not a job for the graudate.

  • Here’s a wooden nickel’s worth of free advice to the Asians of southern California or anywhere in California or anywhere in the country for that matter:

    You better learn and learn in a hurry that the very definition of “diversity” is a moving goalpost. The group of people who are most likely to wind up on either side of the goalpost depending on whatever agenda the goalpost movers are packing? Asians.

    One day, you’ll be diverse, when people are cheering the demographic death of whitey. The next day, you won’t be diverse, because you working at Silicon Valley CSIT-STEM firms isn’t an example of “diversity,” and those firms’ lack thereof, because in that instance, the goalpost has been moved over you and placed between you and white men on one end and blacks-Hispanics-women on the other end.

    Also, when your quickie mart owners gets clobbered by gentle giants intent on swiping cigarillos, you’re not diverse.

    • TruthBeTold

      An unspoken meaning hidden in the expanding definition of diversity is ‘low achieving minorities’.

    • InAFreeCountry

      But…but hispanics are white! And race is just a social construct!
      The liberal hypocrisy is what exasperates me the most.

      • Who Me?

        More and more liberal hypocrisy = willful stupidity

    • Manaphy

      The people responsible for the ethnic genocide of the White race via diversity (you know who I’m talking about) are only interested in destroying Whites, and Asians don’t have members of this group in their countries and have long been hostile to this group, so I doubt that divers(h)it(t)y will spread to that part of the world.

    • LHathaway

      Hiring Asians is still considering ‘hiring for diversity’ for the government and for large companies and corporations that have diversity goals or requirements. Even at those high tech firms out West. There wasn’t a single peep heard that they had too many Asians, only too many White men – even at those firms where whites may have been underrepresented (Asians certainly were over-represented). Same as in regards to government guidelines and media coverage of the ‘gap’ in education. Not a single, solitary, word about trying to erase the gap between Asians (who scored higher than other groups) and everyone else in California when raising a ruckus about the ‘gap’.

    • Jason Lewis

      They overwhelmingy vote Democrat which floors me. In college I saw Asian students treated like crap for being smart. I know one well that ,at Texas A&M, was approached and told to apply for a scholarship. They thought she was hispanic. When she checked Asian she was told they have nothing for whites or Asians.

      • HE2

        Asians may not like negroes or mestizos, but they still vote leftist/liberal and are as interested in pursuing and maintaining public assistance payouts as our other “visitors.” Chinese women love money.

        • evilsandmich

          Asians (generally) are statists to the core. A huge piece of this is cultural since their “social peace confucian conformity” seems to rule all else (don’t ask me why they can’t figure out the fact that, that philosophy hasn’t worked out so great for them in the past). That and arcane government rules make for a system to be gamed for fun and profit.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            Confucianism is very much about the will to win and cultivating superiority and accomplishment. The idea of social peace and conformity is mostly a liberal view of the East. Buddhism is more of a Christian like philosophy appealing to the loser- this life sucks, withdraw from it, better luck next reincarnation. Confucianism is much like Judaism- educate yourself, attempt to win, be superior.

    • Weisheit77

      I love the “moving goalposts” analogy. You’re quite right.

      I think more and more are moving that way… and the Balkanazation begins.

    • listenupbub

      I imagine that eventually Asians will get involved in running our governments and universities. We might then finally have an end to this affirmative action nonsense.

  • WhiteGuyInJapan

    “It’s really hard for me to explain diversity to parents whose only goal is getting their son into Harvard,” Lee says.

    I really want to see some white Lib Diversity Officer explain that nonsense to a bunch of Tiger Moms. “See, you’re not oppressed enough. Your kids are too smart and accomplished…”

    • Zimriel

      What this will do is to push Asians into triads. If you thought “Breaking Bad” was horrible, wait ’til tattooed yakuza types are cooking that stuff.

      Some places already have these problems with the Hmong. Imagine those problems with North Chinese and the Chinese government taking an interest.

      • HE2

        Do not let me commence ranting about Japanese Yazukas. Though one scarcely hears about them, they are sly under the radar vermin who infest the Bay Area with their criminal activities.
        According to my elder sister who lives on Oahu, the islands function as their Pacific home base. She has become somewhat of an authority on these scumbags.
        They smuggle drugs, [mainly heroin], people, buy and traffic in assault weapons, other organized crime endeavors.
        Crime wise, they are no better than the sly, sneaky Chinese, though they like to think they are.

  • Chip Carver

    Hard work is its own reward, isn’t it? Asian American success in academics goes beyond IQ, as their numbers and testing have shown. These people work hard (yes, I did witness more than a few cheats among them at UCLA and their dislike of tests in science courses that weren’t multiple choice). That said, since they aren’t mentally handicapped from the start like the blacks and browns, and serve as an embarrassing example to the lack of racism in the US in certain areas, they have set themselves up as targets because the victim-hood of blacks and increasingly hispanics (yes, I intentionally never capitalize that word), must be propped front and center. Then there’s this to consider, in terms of raw numbers, not percentage of course, but raw numbers, the overwhelming number of top students are white, and they are discriminated against worse than Asians at Ivy League schools, etc. But this is never mentioned. Well, some people mention it: http://www.theoccidentalobserver-dot-net/2013/02/why-has-ron-unz-stopped-talking-about-discrimination-against-non-jewish-whites/

    • LexiconD1

      Are you kidding. The cheating starts much earlier. I also saw a lot of crying for better grades, they didn’t deserve, as well. My Mom didn’t believe me, until one of her co-workers said her kid said the same thing (the co-worker was black.)

      • listenupbub

        I have had many bad experiences with Asians cheating. It is a weird phenomenon. It is one part group solidarity, one part sense of entitlement.

        • Weisheit77

          Shoot, I worked in an English Language School at a university. Many of them excel in it.

          • listenupbub

            I have heard crazy stories of how, in Chinese Universities, the professor will give out a test, and every student will put down the exact same answer- same ones wrong, same right.

            And we all hear in the news of how they hire SAT experts to take the SAT for them…

            Asians are still smart, the cheating is just weird, as I said. They seem to think of it as one of many ways to do their personal business.

      • Who Me?

        So your mom believes her black co-worker over her own daughter?

        • LexiconD1

          My Mom’s (would be, if my Dad didn’t throw away her absentee ballot) an Obama voter…

          Yes, she’s kind of nuts.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        I don’t know a whole lot of Asians but from the ones I have seen they seem to have roughly normal intelligence compared to whites, but some strange ability to work harder. An Asian will work 6 or 7 days a week for 14 hour days and seemingly not get bored or go crazy doing it. They even seem to stand on their feet for long periods without complaint which kills my back. Then they apply this work ethic to school. Someone with average intelligence who does nothing but study day and night can excel at just about anything.

        Maybe this ungoldy focus is bad in terms of creativity or social life. I’m not sure but I wish I had more focus like that. I don’t think whites need any kind of I.Q. boost from Asians but inserting the strange work gene might help improve the race. Although some Germans are work machines like that too.

        Asians have an uncanny ability to endure monotony. Nobody enjoys it. Sure given the choice if they didn’t need money or whatever probably would do more recreational stuff, but someone like me I start to lose my mind from monotony or memorizing useless facts etc.

        • LexiconD1

          I’m referencing Vietnamese boat people/their kids….Those are the ‘Asians’ I grew up with.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        That’s what rich white people do too. Welcome to the real world. Then when they have marginally better grades due to parents arguing and threatening the teacher to give the child an A, tutors, and all the best environment money can buy, they are then put into a “gifted” class where they get a top rate premium education. Over the years they start to surpass their counter parts in the dumbed down class. Then they graduate and brag about how they have a higher I.Q. compared to everyone else and deserve the six figure salary they are getting. Meanwhile they never took an I.Q. test. This is the real kind of privilege I have seen. If you have any sense about you, you would be arguing to get your kid in a gifted class and arguing about good grades too, so the child can get into a good college etc. Since the system doesn’t rely much on raw intelligence and instead heavily weighted towards these arbitrary things, they really matter.

        • LexiconD1

          You’ve, OBVIOUSLY, never had a kid in the GATE program. Teachers can’t arbitrarily put students in them. The kid has to have the grades, conduct, and PASS A TEST before they can even be considered.

          Yes, my son qualified for GATE, all on his own. Just like the rest of the kids did.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I looked it up, that seems to be a California program. There is no Federal law on how to identify giftedness. There is a lot of talk about I.Q. tests in schools, but very few schools actually give I.Q. tests. Most selection is based on teachers tracking students. Based on their arbitrary judgements they decide whether a child is in slow, average, or above average track. Those are the three academic tracks and then above that would be the gifted program and below it, learning disabled. Most of the process is arbitary. I have an I.Q. through the roof. When I went to school in Ohio in 7th grade I’m sure I was on the “normal” track. When I moved to Florida in 8th and 9th grade they had me on a “slow” track, when I moved back to Ohio I seemed to be in an advanced track and the classes were considerably harder. I was never tested once. They just kind of throw you where they think you should go. It becomes a self fullfilling prophesy because once in the slow classes you start to under perform and vice versa with advance classes. I even requested more advanced classes when in high school in Florida and they told me I needed to get straight As in my current classes before they could do that. I even explained the material was too easy for me, making it difficult for me to do the work or stay focused. They didn’t care.

            Then I was studying to be a teacher in Florida and visited a number of schools. The gifted classes seem mostly full of rich kids. Their parents want to get in a fist fight with a teacher if their kid gets a B so pretty much this attitude is the secret to their success. Also most people in the college were in the gifted programs going to the same or similar schools I did. No one was tested as far as I know. They may give some kind of rudimentary test that anyone slightly above average could pass, but it’s not a real I.Q. test and it’s not typically legitimate in deciding giftedness (if they test at all). It’s usually based on the schools informal decision, which in turn usually relates strongly to Socio-Economic status and parental involvement.

            As well, once you are on a track, no matter how well or poorly you perform they will seldom move you off of it. You could move out of state or something like I did, but they usually start tracking kids in middle school and wherever they are in 9th grade is usually where they stay at in high school.

            In the gifted classes I just heard kids talking about their summer vacations in Europe and stuff. Some of this is due to the fact that rich people will often have above average offspring, but there is definitely a level of favoritism. Every single child in the gifted program was well dressed and appeared to have money. I never seen an obviously poor person in the program. When I went to lower level classes I could see kids who clearly couldn’t afford nice clothes or things like that. In all honesty in all the schools I went to about 90-95% of the gifted kids were rich white kids. Sometimes they sprinkle in that one black kid and one hispanic for diversity, but there isn’t much real diversity in the gifted programs I visited other than a fairly even sex ratio (which itself indicates bias as most over achievers are male).

            I have to say though, the differences in some of the classes are night and day. If you go into a high level class the children are usually well behaved and learning advanced stuff. Some of the honors classes, the kids basically teach themselves and are self motivated. A low level class they are jumping around like kids, disrupting etc. It’s hard to believe they are the same age. However, I think for the most part they just shove poor kids into low level classes and rich kids into high level classes. It would be better if they used real I.Q. tests, but I.Q. tests are racist, I.Q. isn’t real etc.

            That’s one thing I have learned in my old age. Rich white people are just as much a part of affirmative action as are blacks or hispanics. They have a vested interest in keeping standardized tests out of schools.

            Now of course every school district will be different, but I think what I saw was pretty typical of most of them, although some might actually use I.Q. tests or other such things.

            The only really unbiased program I saw was called AVID or something like that which didn’t seem to discriminate based on social class. But the poor kids seemed less motivated or concerned about college. That was a great program that teaches kids how to think for themselves and solve problems, which is what they teach in the gifted programs. The mid and lower track student basically are taught how to memorize, do busy work and grow up to flip burgers, that’s about it. I really feel bitter about not being given an education myself because I actually enjoy learning. What goes on with the majority of students is not learning but mostly busy work and babysitting.

          • LexiconD1

            bwahahahahha,

            It’s obvious you couldn’t pass a GATE test either.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            That in and of itself is a bit of an ignorant remark. I did do a full psychological evaluation outside of school as a kid and I was given an I.Q. test, even though i didn’t know it was an I.Q. test and I scored 128 on it. As well no mental problems detected other than hyper activity.

            I don’t care about being gifted or being a genius. I can’t find people with the basic competence of a 13 year old. When I was in middle school the math teacher did not understand the math she was teaching. She could not teach it right. Then, even though I was the first to finish my work and got all the answers right, she failed me because I “didn’t show my work”. I didn’t need to, because I could do the problems in my head. She said I was cheating. How can I cheat when I’m the first one finished and you see me do them?

            Beyond that in high school, once again, teacher that can’t do the math, then again in community college. Bridges collapse around me. I have managers that I work for who can’t manage. I deal with people addicted to drugs, and who act rude and cause unnecessary problems, and whenever I try to talk to them about solving a simple problem they scream “why try we’ll just fail anyway” and then insult me in every way possible.

            If I take my car to get the oil changed and even if I pay an outrageous amount of money for it, they’ll probably put the wrong amount of oil in it. I deal with endless amounts of crime and corruption- all of it unnecessary. I deal with unnecessarily low wages and people who refuse to train me. I’ll try to apply for a job washing dishes and the people will tell me that it’s rocket science and impossible to do without 40 years experience. I’ll ask a place to train me on management, and they refuse, then a few months later start crying about why they can’t find anybody who knows how to manage. I go to college, and the college rips me off, breaks federal laws, lies to me, acts unprofessional and ruins my college career through such behavior.

            Everywhere I go people can’t operate on the level of a simpleton, much less a genius. And at the same time they all tell me how they are best friends with the president, trained under bruce lee, have an I.Q. of 190 etc. It’s all BS. They have a number of self defeating and irrational psychological problems, among them the self aggrandizing fantasies and the need to “one up” someone through BS talk.

            I’m pretty happy just working a regular job, living a normal life, being average, but what I see around me are bridges collapsing, drive by shootings, massive theft and crime, people too dumb to comprehend really simple things, and all the failure and weakness associated with these traits. So that’s where I’m at. I’m establishing a group with very basic expectations and an I.Q. level of 108. I will be lucky to find two or three people who will participate and actually can pass the very basic requirements.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I’m more worried about a teacher that can’t comprehend 8th grade math and why she would be teaching if that is the case, and how did she get a college degree or credentials to teach? I’m worried about how can the expectation for failure be so great that people think its rocket science to do dishes or mow grass? I worry about why can’t people form healthy relationships? Why must they insult others constantly and scream “why try we’ll just fail anyway?”. Why don’t these people have the intelligence to manage a taco stand (which would be an IQ around 100), much less expecting them to have 130 I.Q. I wonder why can’t people have enough sense to just stay off drugs and not be addicted to them? Or how hard is it to just NOT assault, rob, murder etc. people? What I’m dealing with is sub-human, something below very basic normal expectations. I don’t have time to worry about genius. If the geniuses were so abundant I don’t think I would have a hard time just finding people with a 108 I.Q. ability. Most people I meet are functionally illiterate and can’t read a book. If you ask them to read something out loud they have to sound and slide basic words like a fourth grader. I’m not exaggerating this stuff either. As well a number of rich people and even people with college degrees have this behavior. It’s less common the higher up the ladder you go, but it is disturbingly ever present. At the same time I deal with this relentless stupid fest, all I hear about is how everyone claims to be a genius.

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          • LexiconD1

            I’m out. I don’t enjoy trolls.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I’m not really trying to recruit people online. A lot of people assume that. I mean it’s good if someone comes and wants to do all the character evaluations, learning process etc. but I just plan to advertise locally.

            I encounter this negative attitude a lot. Where whenever I speak about a group or accomplishing things or about some of the low competence I encounter people tend to insult me. I’ll say “I see you have financial problems. I have a way to help you, so just consider what I’m saying” “f– you, you’re dumb, you think you’re better than everyone else. If you know so much why aren’t you rich already. F– off” ok. Such behavior is self defeating.

            It is one of the things I address. You actually hurt yourself with this. It’s best to cultivate a good will towards others, judge others favorably etc. A lot of people I deal with only see things in a negative light. They will tell me they have an I.Q. of 180 and I’ll be like “just take a test. All I need is 108” “f– you, you’re stupid. You have mental problems. Seek professional help.” etc.

            I just look to help people and help myself, but it’s impossible to make any progress with people who say “why try we’ll just fail” or who need to insult others etc.I guess when I say that an eighth grade teacher should at least know how to do eighth grade level work, this seems really offensive to some people. Or any kind of minimal standards. I’m not saying those things to hurt others, but the collapsing bridges, crime, children who can’t read etc. is what ends up hurting people. It does frustrate me a lot and lowers the quality of my own life so I need to vent about it from time to time.

            I have known somebody for a long time working at starbucks for $9 an hour. “I think I can help you make more money if you would just take a moment to listen to me. Probably we could get a lawnmower and truck and just get some side jobs and’ “If you know so much why aren’t you rich already. I’m tired of hearing it. You are just a loser” etc. I get the exact same phrases and reactions from all sorts of different people be it online or in person etc. A lot of people have the same mentality. And they really hurt themselves more than they hurt me. It’s just self defeating behavior.

            If people act this way it isn’t worth my time trying to insult them or put them down I mean its 99% of the people I deal with. I just find it to be irrational.

    • InAFreeCountry

      Good on you for not capitalizing “hispanics”. It perturbs me to go against my spellchecker, too.
      It would serve the asians better if they were to play up their historical victimhood at the hands of the evil whites.

    • listenupbub

      That was a very good article.

      I would not be surprised if Asians just aren’t that discriminated against, when you take that one unspeakable very important factor into account, as well as crazy extracurriculars white students tend to rack up.

      If Asians want change, though, they will need to stop voting Democrat.

    • Weisheit77

      Hard work… You know that is also my impression regarding a lot of them. They’re not particularly brilliant but they come from a culture where studying is very important. Give me a semi-brilliant student who wants to work versus a brilliant one who only wants to down booze and chase tail and I’ll show you the value of hard work.

      For me the ability to juggle a demanding work load is more of what college is designed to test for anyway. Exceptional brilliance is probably only needed in small quantities on college campuses. I’ve never been to Asia, but it seems they do a better job of preparing their children, without medication, to sit in front of books for long periods of time.

  • Alex Dihes

    Mr. O. B. Ama is playing golf. A secretary approaches him, “People in the War room are waiting for you, Sir”. “Why! You want me to drop everything and go to deal with nonsense!”

  • MekongDelta69

    Do you see the word White in the article?

    Nah. Me neither…

    • LexiconD1

      Gotta wonder how many points they deduct if you’re white, I bet it’s much much more than 50.

      • InAFreeCountry

        In reality, it is probably baseline. No bonus, no minus.

      • listenupbub

        Depends on what kind of white person, you should see the article above.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        Nah Asians are more penalized than whites. But most whites that get into good schools get there on “legacy” admissions or because they know somebody, and thus their scores are below other people who are denied. If you are a poor white male with really high scores it might be harder to get in than an Asian with the same score. Even though there are whites getting in, you aren’t the right kind of white.

        And this is what baffles me about people like Charles Murray. He prattles on about how Harvard is a meritocracy. I even had an educated Asian lady tell me this when I tried to talk to her about such issues “the world is just getting more competitive”. It’s not competitive, it’s all based on favoritism. What they do is they have about 20% (sometimes 17% or so) hispanic, 20% black, 20% legacy whites who are able to just barely score high enough to squeak in, then everyone else must compete for the remaining 40% or so. That 40% is almost entirely whites and asians with absurdly high scores that boost up the school’s average.

        You can be a dim witted George W. Bush, or a black Obama and get in with minimal scores. If you aren’t in one of those favored groups you have to have ridiculously high scores though.

  • TruthBeTold

    “Everyone is in orchestra and plays piano,” Lee says. “Everyone plays
    tennis. Everyone wants to be a doctor, and write about immigrating to
    America. You can’t get in with these cliche applications.”

    Cliches or honest stereotypes?

    • WhiteGuyInJapan

      Statistics are evil stereotypes. Tools of the white devil.

    • ViktorNN

      Can’t be a cliché if it’s true. Boring Asian conformism and lack of creativity is a reality.

    • Weisheit77

      How about hiphopper with interest in interracial sex?

  • Asians have been treated unfairly in the California UC system.
    Too many Asian engineers?

    If a UC bureaucrat asserted that there were too many black bakkaball players, the school would literally burn to the ground.

    • Reynardine

      Wait I thought we were undergoing a shortage of engineers and thus had to replace Americans with H1-B visalings.

      Could penalizing good potential engineers be why? I’d far prefer an Americanized Asian than I would a fresh off the refugee boat Asian as a coworker. Or maybe corporations just want to hire the lowest bidders…

      • Weisheit77

        It depends. Some of those born and bred ones can bring a level of intellect and hard work to leftist causes that will make your head spin. I’m really starting to notice more and more Asian females with American accents as the chief rabble rousers at these various protests.
        The scary part is that they aren’t smoking weed and partying after the protest which is what makes them a potential force to be reckoned with.

    • listenupbub

      I imagine that there will be heavy pressure from the baloney-studies departments when they just can’t get any students anymore, because Asians don’t care about patriarchy and gender theory.

      But I think it is good to keep an intellectually diverse student body. Somebody has to become the lawyers, politicians, executives, and judges, and a prestigious university should want to have its brand on some of them.

      So I guess there can be too many pre-med students. As for blacks, my gosh.

  • antiquesunlight

    They didn’t say how many bonus points whites get at Princeton. I’m guessing zero or worse.

    “She mentions how the black student population at UCLA has declined precipitously and how student bodies at elite universities probably shouldn’t be 100% of Asian descent.”

    They wouldn’t be. There would be plenty of whites. There just would be extremely few blacks or hispanics.

    • Zimriel

      There would be maybe a third whites, a quarter Jews and the rest various sorts of Asian. The white third would be browbeaten about “privilege”; the Jewish quarter will get harassed daily by a subset of the Asians.

      And so it goes . . .

      • InitialSegment

        I’m not sure about that — as a university professor I’ve found that the genuinely gifted students tend to have little to no affinity for identity politics or cultural Marxism. It’s the narcissistic mediocrities, the Africana and Queer and Women’s Studies majors et al. (and their narcissistic, mediocre professors), who do almost all the screaming about privilege and *ism/*phobia on my campus. Get rid of those students and departments — which would be the natural consequence of a university’s basing all admissions and faculty hiring decisions solely on academic merit — and many of the intergroup tensions would go away, I bet.

    • Weisheit77

      Whites? What are those things?

  • superlloyd

    ”African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.
    She points to the second column.
    “Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

    What a disgrace that these black and brown retards displace higher scoring Asians and Whites from college places. Affirmative action needs to be jettisoned forthwith.

    • De Doc

      So they can major in some BS ethnic studies program no doubt.

      • Blackfish

        Like Michelle Obama. A Black Studies major at Princeton who was admitted to Harvard Law School. She must be really smart, huh?

        /sarcasm

  • De Doc

    Yellow is the new White.

    • Zimriel

      It’s super-white. They rode the SWPL, er, tiger and now they hear the tiger’s belly rumble

    • bv

      That’ll end soon enough.

  • InitialSegment

    Despicable. I hope we’ll see more of what happened recently at Harvard, where Asian students filed suit against the university for this kind of racist admissions policy. And that white students will join them.

  • hastings88

    “Complaints about bias in college admissions have persisted since at
    least the 1920s, when a Harvard University president tried to cap the
    number of Jewish students.” That was when Northwestern Europeans tried to hang on to power in the country they carved out with their blood. Nonwhites hate them for the admissions cap; I contemn them for not trying harder. They should have taken off their hoods and picked up their rifles.

  • hastings88

    Asians are ok with diversity hiring on the job, as long as they get ahead of whites, too. It’s not like they are on our side.

    • InitialSegment

      After enough of this, I suspect they will be.

      • listenupbub

        I hope so. It is hard to tell. Asians are high self-monitors, so they are very obedient to whatever their teachers tell them, and we know what the teachers are telling them. I suspect that is why they vote Democrat, even though Dems align with no financial or ideological interest, other than non-whiteness.

    • Weisheit77

      I think that to a certain degree you have to differentiate between off the boat ones and ones who have gone through our k-12 school systems.

      I’m not defending them, but I’ve only met one “leftist” that was off the boat, while it’s safe to assume that all who have grown up here are leftists and identify with the false white versus everyone else dichotomy.

      I worked at a University English Language School for 5 years that always had a high number of Asians. I have some experience.

      • hastings88

        I know a Korean female English Professor (diversity hire) who teaches Critical Race Theory (white privilege and all that crap) in all her classes. Off the boat–almost incomprehensible accent. I’m sure the students love her. She has cashed in on the cultural Marxist narrative (and probably knows no other). Actually, three other Asian profs. in the same English department also teach Leftist drivel.

        • Reynardine

          Is it possible the Chinese are actively exporting leftists to make sure China has as conservative a base as possible? The US is already a dumping ground for everybody else…

  • connorhus

    Asians have been reaping the benefits of America’s Multi-Cult tragicomedy for decades. As the specialist attempted to engineer standardized tests away from White thinking and memory paths into something that would allow other minorities to have an advantage. Namely by doing away with reading comprehension and creativity. To the Multi-Cult’s horror the only group that really benefited were the Asians who are great at copying and mimicking others. Now the Asians must also face the ever shifting end result puzzle and shut up.

    • LHathaway

      No. Educators and journalists will still flutter about ‘the gap’ and how wrong and evil it is, yet never once mention this in terms of the gap between Asians and everyone else. It will be blamed on White evil.

    • listenupbub

      We have also eliminated any kind of “general knowledge” element to the standardized tests. There used to always be analogies tests in the SAT, and even some separate analogies test. Now it is infantile reading comprehension questions, and middle school math.

      I imagine asking for general knowledge punishes minorities who do not like to engage intellectually with the world/culture around them. Asians, blacks, and hispanics fit this mold for different reasons.

  • LHathaway

    When Whites did this to Jews; kept Jews out of some Eastern universities during the 1920 by using a quota system, this is referenced as ‘hatred’ and, ironically, this past discrimination has been used as a rationale to explain reasons for affirmative action programs in the present time, this exclusion of Jews was considered a horrible thing we should feel ashamed of. Jews were still ‘over-represented’ at the universities that ‘nefariously’ kept them out and down. Ignoring the fact this discrimination against Asians in the present day, only in some college admissions, may in fact be a way to maintain discrimination across the board, cradle to the grave, against White men, will Whites continue to be discriminated against in 2050 – because those evil Whites were discrimination against Asians in 2010?

    • Jason Lewis

      That last part was rhetorical right?

      • LHathaway

        eh, i felt i was making a major point. striking into the heart of human feeling . . . but it may as well be a rhetorical question. . by 2050. . there is a very good chance whites will vote for racial separation or for a reservation for whites in NA. My own prediction is the 2044 presidential election. . the way things are going now. . the smart money is on it taking much longer than that.

        • Jason Lewis

          I see some sort of balkinization of America happening but I’m not optimistic that it will have any sort of voting happening. It’ll probably be an all out fight for independance again.

          • BulgAryan

            check out the Northwest novels by Harold Covington. Excellent fiction!

    • meanqueen

      Jews deserved university admission. Keeping them out was unjust. Blacks and hispanics don’t deserve university admission, and getting them in at the expense of qualified Asian, Jewish, and White students is unjust.

      • LHathaway

        When your student body is over 50% jewish . . . sometime around the 1920’s they used a quota system to keep them out. This was only at a few universities in the Northeast, I believe, not every university. I believe they were still vastly over-represented after the quota. I only point this out because, outside of any context (that doesn’t begin and end with whites being evil), the fact jews were kept out has been used in the present day (this terrible history) as a reason we need the exact same programs! minus the evil, of course, affirmative action for all schools, today.

        Same as the black problem. Most of the worst discrimination (and certainly the only legal discrimination) occurred only in certain areas of the deep south (and for all we know, only for the purpose of making out whites to be evil and blacks to be victim), yet the fact Some blacks, only in a few small areas of the deep south were discriminated against is used to sell the idea that all blacks in all of the usa, even in the north, have all been uniquely discriminated against and continue to be very much so in the whole country to this day (when the exact opposite has been true going on 50 years now).

        Admittedly, in the case of slavey (that in at least the south) it did likely effect the vast majority of blacks there. This was 200 years ago .. and there have been numerous constitutional amendments, 200 years ago, that dealt with that.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    Article summary: Asians punished for academic success. Blacks and Hispanics rewarded for academic failure.

    • But most Asians voted for Obama and support filthy ‘gay marriage’. The hell with Asians. Besides, they are just running dogs of the Zio-elites in Ivy Leagues. They serve Jewish elites in barking at white gentiles. Hell with them.

      • Weisheit77

        More and more, I’m agreeing with you. Some of them definitely hop on the “hate white”, “white privilege” band wagon rather quickly.

        Chinese culture has been so thoroughly destroyed by the communists that the only value marker for them is money and who has money in the ivy league? I think you already hinted as to who they are.

      • BulgAryan

        seems the ruling elites of the near future will be finnish-chinese hybrids. more and more finns take Chinese wifes, Sugarberg just one recent example.

    • bv

      Don’t vote democrat.

  • DJRicin

    So to be clear, an Asian with perfect SAT scores has a worse shot at getting into a top school than a black with under 2000. That is beyond disgusting. And yet they still can’t even find enough blacks with 2000 on the SAT to fill their “quotas”.

    • bv

      What about that Nubian genius who was selected for all of the Ivy League schools?

      • DJRicin

        Hah, he had like a 2200 and mediocre extra-curriculars. I had a 2300 and a better resume, and still got rejected from most of the top ivies (Harvard, Yale , Princeton).

        • bv

          They’re just dying to place a magical negro, aren’t they?

  • The Dude

    “It’s really hard for me to explain diversity to parents whose only goal is getting their son into Harvard.”

    It’s hard to explain it to any sensible person.

    Seriously, did she expect any other reaction than cringing from saying to parents that their better-achieving children may be discriminated against to please the god of diversity?

  • Evette Coutier

    No one is trying to play fair except white people. Not the Asian, Hispanic, Jew, middle easterners, Hispanics, and certainly not the black. It’s high time we wise up and return the favor.

    • bv

      Because we’re idiotic and self hating and the only self cannibalizing species on earth besides some lizard species.

      I’m tired tired tired of this idiocy, when will we ever learn?

      • Evette Coutier

        We will learn when we pay enough pain for our collective stupidity.

        • bv

          When?

          • Evette Coutier

            Not soon enough.

    • Weisheit77

      I think it comes from the that Christian “work ethic” thing. It was great when we were a homogeneous society. But now we have significant numbers of minorities who are unfamiliar with these concepts. The Chinese, for example, think honest people are stupid and using guile to become wealthy is a sign of intelligence to be respected.
      We romanticize the millionaire who did it the hard way.
      They stick together and we don’t. How many western families think of the family as almost like a business? That’s exactly how Asians think. You bend for the family. Here the family bends for you.

      The only problem is when we do away with the moral system we were brought up to adhere to is that we’ll be left in a cynical world of hurt afterwards. But sometimes life forces hard decisions.

      • Evette Coutier

        If we don’t adapt to the changing world, we will go extinct. We are seeing that reality playing out right now. Really, it’s time whites stopped being emotional children and start playing to win. There is no second place in genetics. It’s a winner take all game.

      • evilsandmich

        That’s the system that they’re stuck with, but to speak to them individually there aren’t a whole of fans of it. Kind of like PC groupthink here where you’re hard pressed to find any great supporters, and yet…

  • BillMiller66

    “She mentions how the black student population at UCLA has declined precipitously…” And the problem with that is……?

  • ViktorNN

    Want to know what’s really rare in an Ivy League school?

    A white male from a rural area in a red state.

    • Weisheit77

      Not that I have a soft spot for the military or anything but I hear one that was in the military is even rarer.

  • listenupbub

    I had many bad experiences with Asians in college, especially issues with cheating, which left me with a bad taste for them.

    However,
    they are generally good. I would rather whites have control of our
    societies, just because, but I’ll take Asians over blacks any day. I have had Asian
    friends.

    About college admissions-
    Some of the white applicants will have truly amazing resumes for different reasons. And these days, high SAT scores are a dime a dozen, and the ACT is even worse. Is someone with a 2300 SAT really, surely inferior to someone with a 2350?
    Extracurriculars like playing piano or doing track means jack squat-
    unless you have a way of proving that you are really awesome, and not
    just someone who memorized 2 hard songs. A lot of the whites who get
    into the Ivy’s have ridiculous experiences living in other countries,
    working with the government, writing for newspapers, competing in
    debate, which probably make up a measly 50 point difference in SAT scores
    easily.

    The elite universities are looking for people who will
    do influential things, and hopefully be leaders. A perfectionist student
    who will be a doctor is nice, but they might as well go to the state
    university or a nice private college (USC, Vandy, Rice, etc.), and end
    up with the same life, minus the status symbol that the Asian mothers
    can rub in each other’s faces.

    • bv

      Are you kidding we used to cheat off of Asians and Indians because we had hangovers. The Hong Kongers were very accommodating so in return as a gesture I proofread their papers for them so they’d loose the Miyagi San sounding English.

      Got a few lays from above average Asian girls to boot. A win win situation.

      • Weisheit77

        Are you saying that you went to an elite university? Or that Asians don’t cheat? Your English could stand some help so it sounds less hipster.

        • bv

          Are they honest? Only God knows the truth to that in a general sense.

          The ones I knew studied hard (I.e. Memorized), but their writings skills were lacking. Elite University? I wouldn’t put it in the Ivy League category but it’s was fairly good.

          As for my English? Well let’s just say that I’m not writing reports at the moment, so I like to partake in casual language and relax with my phrases in a witty way.

          If that’s rubbing you the wrong way, all I can say is too bad!

  • Andy

    If you break up whites into Jews and Gentiles, though, Gentiles have to score higher than Asians.

    • antiquesunlight

      Can you point me to a source for this? Very interested.

      • Andy

        Unfortunately, not one convenient one.

        You can get the college breakdowns for race on a college search site.
        Hillel’s site gives the percentage of Jews at each college.
        Then it’s a matter of comparing it to what each group’s average SAT scores and percent of the college-age population would predict.

  • Sid Ishus

    When I was in college and searching for scholarships I found some full paid scholarships available, the requirement was a 2..0 gpa and minority status… students were supposed to maintain a 2.0 just to stay in college.

  • Alucard_the_last

    This is just another form of Marxism where the hardest workers are punished and the dead beats rewarded. The strange this is that this actually surprises people.

  • Michael Robert Ryan

    Yeah, the Bachelor’s Degree is the most overrated educational product in America. There are actually a couple of B.A. degrees (I think one of them is Anthropology) where the people that hold them actually make less on average than people with just a high school diploma. And even many B.S. degrees ain’t worth squat, either.

    Most people in this country getting B.A.s would be much better served by getting an A.A.S. or trade school diploma. A lot of skilled tradesmen make really good money. I remember years ago, George H.W. Bush was giving a speech in some inner-city high school in L.A. where he basically told the students there that college was overrated and that they might be better off learning a trade. He was excoriated for that, but he was right.

    • meanqueen

      I am a huge and vocal supporter of vocational schools, and not just for the “dumb folks” either. Not everyone is meant to earn a living in law and medicine, and not that many college degrees prepare one for a real career anyway.

  • Magician

    Steve Jobs
    Bill Gates
    Larry Ellison – Oracle CEO – he was briefly the world’s richest man.
    Michael Dell
    Thomas Edison
    Paul Allen – Microsoft co-founder
    Ralph Lauren
    Josh Bayliss ( Virgin CEO )

    None of the boys above has a college degree.

  • Light from the East

    The more the US becomes racially diverse, the sooner or later Asian Americans realize it is the ultimate plot against those who are smarter, hard-working, organized, and civilized. Isn’t it surprise to find those libertards demonstrate the opposite qualities?

    • meanqueen

      I feel bad for the injustice toward the Asians, but I’d like to see them adjust their politics according to the realities.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    Nigros feel a great deal of resentment toward Asians, because the economic success of Asians in the U.S. explodes the myth of American “racism.” Many Asians have come here with far less than the nigros have, and pass them on the economic ladder in only a few years.

    This was brought home to me at a St. Louis School Board meeting one night, when we gave recognition to some Asian kid who had won the extremely prestigious St. Louis Science Fair. His parents accepted the award for him because he was already taking summer courses at Stanford, where he won a FULL RIDE !

    All the nigros on the school board appeared disinterested and merely feigned applause, while the rest of us were quite snowed by REAL ACCOMPLISHMENT, a very rare phenomenon in that cesspool of illiteracy and innumeracy…

  • Light from the East

    Some Asians don’t understand they are the next victims of multiculturalism. An Asian cop named Wenjian Liu was killed by a black thug in New York. I mean what’s the f****** wrong to kill an innocent policeman. And another Asian cop Peter Liang was charged with manslaughter for a drug-dealing trash. He is now the scapegoat yet the New York Slimes told us Asians to “figure the debates over police misconduct and racial injustice that have roiled the country”

    • evilsandmich

      Yep welcome to YT town Asians. The Derb’s “northern alliance” idea may come to pass yet.

  • John Smith

    IOW, our academic system, like our govt., rewards failure and penalizes success along racial lines.

  • ssohara

    OK, here’s the deal – if you are a successful, productive and law-abiding group, the left hates you and will try to hurt you. If you are part of a group that is chock full of criminals, unwed mothers and so on – the left loves you and will pander to you.
    Last election (2014) the GOP actually won 50% of the Asian American vote. I don’t understand, myself, why so many Asian Americans vote Dem. I think it has to do partly with them being so highly educated – the universities are leftist brainwashing centers these days.
    The only reason I am not a leftist is that I did a lot of my own reading and research. If I had only listened to what I was taught in school and saw on TV… but I actually read stuff like the Federalist papers and books by Mises and read a lot about American history and why America is so unique and wonderful.
    The problem is that totalitarian regimes only need a minority of the population to take over and I fear we are at the tipping point in this country. One reason I am really firmly pro 2nd amendment.

    • why so many Asian Americans vote Dem

      Asian voters tend to take political cues from the politically active people that surround them.

      • ssohara

        People need to think for themselves, not blindly follow. Anyone who applied rationality, thoughtfulness, etc. to the voting process would never vote Dem, though, so what does that tell us about our electorate?

        • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

          So true, but however many asians includibg your hindus think they are black. So now you see the problem why they vote dems.

          • ssohara

            Hindus don’t think they are black. Africa is a huge continent, quite apart from Europe, Asia, etc. In India, Africans who have immigrated there face discrimination, just like they do in China and many other parts of Asia. It’s sad, but true.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Yes maybe the Hindus in Indian do not like blacks., but many of your people I have met identify with them. Do a little research and you will see what I mean. That is why I am in favor of you Hindus leaving America. Google ‘3 secrets of the Sureshbhai Patel case every Desi needs to know’
            Also there was an article about one Indian lady I think her name was Gupta that advocated civil right for negroes.

          • ssohara

            How would you feel if, when I talked about white meth addicts living in trailer parks in Appalachia I cited them as “your people”? You can feel free to stereotype, tribalize and lump all people into groups but I don’t do that crap, and, furthermore, it’s not congruent with the language in the Constitution which enshrines the rights of the individual, not the tribe.
            What truly bothers me is that we have a President who trashes the Constitution and who is also pushing an illegal amnesty of 10s of millions of illegals, and the GOP is doing absolutely nothing to stop it. Oh, and did I mention that the GOP leadership is made up of white men? McConnell and Boehner to be precise. Should I lump you in with them? They have a lot more influence than the people you cite, who I’ve never even heard of. Some of the strongest anti-amnesty voices are from people like Darrell Issa (whose grandparents came here from Lebanon) and Ted Cruz, whose Dad is from Cuba. Bobby Jindal, I believe, of all the current crop of 2016 candidates, is the least pro-amnesty. I still like Scott Walker best of the bunch, but he’s actually more of a squish on amnesty than Jindal. Jeb Bush, Chris Christie – total amnesty squishes.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            I would not feel anything. Hindus are fit to be only in the Orient.I know that you are a nice person and you have most of your wits about, Also, you love the US constitution because it gives rights, which no country will give to its citizens. You are right about the white politicians having lost their guts, but the fact remains that non westerners will always be a liability to western civilization. Better for them to be back in their third world hellholes than to come here and stink up the whole place.

          • ssohara

            One interesting tidbit you may not know – back before the British invaded India, it had about 25% of the world’s GDP. In the 18th century, it was the 2nd largest economy in the world – in 1750, India produced 24.5% of the world’s manufactured goods while China produced 38%.

            Part of the decline of India (and China) in later centuries was due to the industrial revolution but technology and information do spread throughout the world. After all, the Hindus were the ones who invented the concept of zero and the decimal numeral system in use today (to realize how significant this is – try doing long division in Roman numeral some time). Left to itself, India would probably have declined in important and stabilized as a 2nd rate economy. Thanks to the British, however, it declined much further – the British used the same techniques in India that they used in Ireland (divide and conquer, etc.)

            One reason I get on so well when I visit Ireland BTW, is that I am a student of history, and most o the Irish I have met understand their history and appreciate that I can see the similarities between what the British did to Ireland and India.

            If you read the travel accounts of Europeans who travelled to Asia in the 16th and 17th century vs. those who travelled to Africa and the New World the account are very different. Europeans traveling to Africa and the New World encountered a technologically backwards culture and one that was easy to conquer. In India and China, however, before the Industrial Revolution, in many ways the technology was superior to European technology (as can be discerned by actually reading the travel accounts.) So in order to conquer those countries different tactics were tried. They worked remarkably well.

            In the 1780s, Edmund Burke pointed out that Britain was ruining India – converting it from an exporter of finished cloth to a colony that exported raw materials.

            Would India have declined even without British interference? Yes. The Industrial Revolution originated in Britain and it made a huge difference. However, the British, and Europeans in general, aggressively invade and colonized many places and caused a great deal of suffering. That is no less evil than any other conquest.

            Despite all of that I don’t have any animus towards Europeans in general or the Brits in particular – however it shows a surprising ignorance when someone does not realize that while the West is in the prominent economic position NOW, it wasn’t always the most technologically advanced place, nor will it always be. At one time Mesopotamia was THE place, then Egypt, etc.
            Maybe India or China will be dominant again in another century. Maybe Europe will continue to be dominant – though with the Muslims taking over sort of doubt it… When countries rise, they always attract ambitious people from other nations. The problem is that Western countries offer huge welfare packages to immigrants, so instead of a few ambitious people who can be easily assimilated, you get hordes of low-skilled people who want free education, health care, food etc.
            The best way to deal with the unwashed hordes is to stop offering them freebies. In the 19th century, immigrants to the US were not given freebies – and one third of them, I believe, actually returned home!

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Yes, you are right that the Europeans were not offered any welfare. So many of them went back home. I do respect you knowledge in history of Ireland and the west. I am not saying that Britain was squeaky clean all the time. Even India too was not. If not for the British, your parents would not have been educated and when the husband died, the wife would have been burnt alive. Also, there were no cars and other forms of transportation in India and China in those days. What I am getting at is that All you Hindus come to the west and trash the place up just like the blacks and the other non whites do. Then you guys side with the blacks and vote for politicians that are anti white and anti western. So the best thing for all you pagans to do is to go back to whence you came from and then let the white race build itself up again. Non whites have ruined the west ever since they were let in and when we started giving them freebies.

          • ssohara

            If you actually read the history I cite, you would have realized that India (and China, and Japan) was more advanced than Europe back in the 1400s and 1500s. That was one reason the Europeans discovered the New World – they were trying desperately to get to India (and China) because they wanted the trade goods. So if the Europeans had left India alone, it would have remained much more wealthy since the British destroyed the local economy, took tons of gold and jewels back to England (including some of the jewels in the crown jewels). etc. On the other hand, in some parts of India they did burn widows. But not everywhere. And the caste system is pretty awful, but the British never got rid of it.

            As far as cars and so on – automobiles were invented in 1885 by Karl Benz in Germany. They weren’t really common in America until the 1920s. In1897 the first car was brought to India. Until the 1930s, all Indian cars were imported. In the 1940s, several local auto manufacturers emerged in India. One of the Indian auto manufacturers, Mahindra, now produces tractors in the US, I believe.

            Of course the West invented the automobile. But India invented the numeral system that allows advanced mathematics like calculus, the Chinese invented gunpowder, etc. It’s asinine to say that whites created everything because it’s not true. It is true and valid to credit whites for the Industrial Revolution. It is asinine to pretend that whites are not just as capable of evil as anyone else. It is valid to point out that they have also done a lot of good, and that all races are capable of evil. Being anti-white is just as evil, to me, as being anti-Indian or anti-Chinese, etc. I consider myself to be pro-human.

            I get that you don’t like Indians and non-whites. Unlike you, I am not a racist or a prejudiced person. I have friends of all races, religions and so on, because I actually care about the individual, not what group someone belongs to. I feel that gives me a better quality of friend but to each his own. I believe in the rule of law so I am all for enforcing borders, which is one area I actually agree with you.

            For the rest, since most of my friends who are from India are doctors, engineering PhDs business owners, I don’t see them as being particularly “trashy”. One piece of advice – next time you need a specialist for a medical procedure, if he or she is from India, China, etc., you might want to keep your views on his/her race to yourself!
            There are MANY things I don’t like about Indian culture, but one good thing about it is that it is very pro-family. If the West was to become more like India, the divorce rates would plummet. But I don’t see that happening. Most Indians who come to the West want to ASSIMILATE, not change Western culture. The reason Western culture has become anti-Christian, immoral, etc., has nothing to do with Indian immigrants and everything to do with the white leftists who control the media, the public school system, etc. Attack the source of the problem, not some hapless immigrant, if you actually want to solve the problem.

            One thing that is true is that as each part of the globe rises, it attracts immigrants. This was true of Rome at its height – the number of languages, etc., spoken in ancient Rome probably matched New York City during the 1980s. India attracted foreigners during its height – there are still communities of Christians, Jews, Pharsees (Persians), etc., in India. The West has attracted immigrants more recently. I suppose now that the West is in decline we’ll see more and more people moving to China. That should make you happy.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Yes please move to China. Not anti anyone. Just do not want the west filled with people who will bring it down. You guys can have your own lands. I do respect those Asians that come here and do well, but for the most part, they are all anti white and hate western society. It is from my experience. I guess you have had a good experience or maybe blind. The west will die due to DIE-versity. I do agree that the west has declined in family values. Before the 1960s when the jews took over, America had good strong family values. It was the 60s that ruined everything. From Indian friends I know that divorce is getting common in India as well. That is the price for liberalism and development. So please research everything before you comment. There are some facts that are correct, which you cite, but some that are not.

          • ssohara

            BTW, the biggest problem, in my opinion, is not race but Marxism. Look at the 1960s and the black power movement, the radical feminists, etc. – these are all Marxist based. Guess what, Marx was a white man – a German, no less. Marxism is a cancer upon the world, and it was invented by whites. The Fabian socialists, etc., are all whites. The real cause of much of the anti-white tribalism is ginned up by the socialists.

            If you go back in time to the 1950s, etc., blacks were living under segregation and they were actually doing better and better. The income and education levels for blacks were rising and they had very low divorce rates. In a lot of ways the “black power” movement, LBJ’s Great Society and so on have destroyed any progress blacks made.

            Segregation is not evil in and of itself. I do believe that all human beings are equally worthy, but that doesn’t mean segregation is a bad thing. A white person can live and work in a white part of town and still treat black people he or she meets with respect and consideration and vice versa.

            As an American who was brought up in New York City, I grew up with friends of all races, religions, etc., and I enjoyed that and learned a lot from the many different people I encountered. That doesn’t mean though that I think that is something that should be forced on others. I think it comes down to what people desire and I do think it was wrong for the government to force people to go against their will.

            I am against racism but I am for the rights of the individual. That means that I am also against forced de-segregation. I think that actually caused more hostility and resentment than anything else plus it was a violation of the rights of individuals to determine who they would freely associate with.

            To the extent I agree with you on immigration it is because I believe that the citizens of the United States (and I am also a US citizen) should have the right to determine immigration policy. Right now our elected representatives are not doing their job. The majority of Americans do not want open borders. The Congress should therefore act to secure the borders. It’s that simple.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            I agree with some of your viewpoints, but you made one mistake Marxism was not started by a white person, but by Karl Marx who was a jew and jews are their own race. So not white. They love Hindus like you and blacks and non whites and will use all of you to destroy the west.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            I also do not approve of slavery.It was a big mistake bringing these negroes to the US and to the west. I am with you on that white man is greedy. If you look closely it was the jews that commanded the black slave trade.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            BTW, it was the also the jews that opened America’s borders with the 1965 immigration act. Research that as well. So you have the jews as your allies.

          • ssohara

            Also, and finally, I have enjoyed chatting with you. I find many of your viewpoints repugnant but you have not personally attacked ME and by arguing with you I have had a chance to sharpen my own intellect, always a good thing. I am probably not going to respond to you anymore because I need to move on to other things, but it’s been interesting and even enjoyable. I wish you well.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Not personally attacked you, but attacked the views that you have. Glad to have helped to sharpen your intellect. Hinduism is not compatible with western values. Most of your people only want to assimilate into the trashy part of American culture, which was started by the jews after 1965. Most of your people hate America. Since you say that American people should make rules regarding immigration, which I agree, but people like you should not because more hindus will come from India and make this India-2.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Also, read this article. Unfortunately I cannot post the link since Ameren does not allow it. Google ‘3 secrets of the Sureshbhai Patel case every Desi needs to know’ I think I told you to do that the last time.
            See how hindus and blacks love each other. I have heard that the hindus voted for Obama because they want a black person ruling them. So much for coming to a white country.
            I think India was better off because of the Brits. I do not approve of the Amritsar Massacre and other atrocities committed by stupid brits in India. Read Freedom at Midnight and see how savage the hindus and muslims became when the Brits pulled out of India. The same in Africa and other countries under European colonial power.

        • listenupbub

          Asians tend to be high self-monitors, which basically means they adjust their behavior mindlessly to conform to the expectations of the people around them.

          I do not think that all rational people would not vote Democrat- some people are truly ideologically liberal. It takes a lot of digging to rid yourself of liberalism, even if you think you are conservative, as even Republicans are just a different type of liberal-the “classical liberal,” and there is no popular voice in the mainstream for any alternative.

          • ssohara

            good points.

  • antiquesunlight

    You might be right to some extent about the newspapers and debates, but I’m not sure about the rest. Wealthier people trend Republican.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    If you want financial aid, a welfare check, sba loans to start a business, acceptance into a college, or any related benefit paint your skin black and check african american. Act as black as possible and try to “pass” as black.

    The Marxists will say “that is a really racist thing to say. You are a racist” this is how brainwashed they are. I’m not being racist here, I’m accusing the government, the colleges etc. of racism.