When Whites Just Don’t Get It, Part 4

Nicholas Kristof, New York Times, November 15, 2014

When I write about racial inequality in America, one common response from whites is eye-rolling and an emphatic: It’s time to move on.

“As whites, are we doomed to an eternity of apology?” Neil tweeted at me. “When does individual responsibility kick in?”

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This is the fourth installment in a series of columns I’ve written this year, “When Whites Just Don’t Get It,” and plenty of white readers have responded with anger and frustration at what they see as the “blame game” on race. They acknowledge a horrific history of racial discrimination but also say that we should look forward, not backward. The Supreme Court seems to share this view as it dismantles civil-rights-era rulings on voting rights.

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Of course, personal responsibility is an issue. Orlando Patterson, the eminent black sociologist, notes in a forthcoming book that 92 percent of black youths agree that it is a “big problem” that black males are “not taking education seriously enough.” And 88 percent agree that it’s a big problem that they are “not being responsible fathers.” That’s why President Obama started “My Brother’s Keeper,” to cultivate more prudent behavior among men and boys of color.

But we in white society should be equally ready to shoulder responsibility. In past articles in this series, I’ve looked at black/white economic inequality that is greater in America today than it was in apartheid South Africa, at ongoing discrimination against African-Americans in the labor market and at systematic bias in law enforcement. But these conversations run into a wall: the presumption on the part of so many well-meaning white Americans that racism is a historical artifact. They don’t appreciate the overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century.

{snip}

The inequality continues, particularly in education. De jure segregated schools have been replaced in some areas by de facto segregation.

Those of us who are white have a remarkable capacity for delusions. A majority of whites have said in opinion polls that blacks earn as much as whites and are as healthy as whites. In fact, black median household income is $34,598, compared with $58,270 for non-Hispanic whites, according to census data. Black life expectancy is four years shorter than that of whites.

Granted, race is just one thread in a tapestry. The daughters of President and Michelle Obama shouldn’t enjoy affirmative action preference (as their dad has acknowledged), while disadvantaged white kids should.

Yet one element of white privilege today is obliviousness to privilege, including a blithe disregard of the way past subjugation shapes present disadvantage.

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We all stand on the shoulders of our ancestors. We’re in a relay race, relying on the financial and human capital of our parents and grandparents. Blacks were shackled for the early part of that relay race, and although many of the fetters have come off, whites have developed a huge lead. Do we ignore this long head start–a facet of white privilege–and pretend that the competition is now fair?

Of course not. If we whites are ahead in the relay race of life, shouldn’t we acknowledge that we got this lead in part by generations of oppression? Aren’t we big enough to make amends by trying to spread opportunity, by providing disadvantaged black kids an education as good as the one afforded privileged white kids?

Can’t we at least acknowledge that in the case of race, William Faulkner was right: “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

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  • DaveMed

    “Those of us who are white have a remarkable capacity for delusions.”
    ______________________________________________________

    Oh my God. Those at the NYT don’t know the half of it.

    See: everything you believe about race.

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      His middle name should be Irony.

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    • nBmnp

      Yeah, and to keep it that way, they don’t allow comments… Stupid me for even checking it out.

    • Three Stars

      “Those of us who are white have a remarkable capacity for delusions.”

      The NYT should make that into its slogan.

    • rebelcelt

      He is right , these nincompoops have the capacity to delude themselves that whites are at fault for everything.

    • adplatt126

      HAHAHAHA

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    “They (whites) don’t appreciate the overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century.”
    The overwhelming evidence? Then please refer me to a black majority place on earth where blacks show the same intellect and moral sense as the white man’s society. Nicholas Kristof is the poster boy for delusional.

    • Yves Vannes

      The NYT is only read my true believers. At least their editorial page. AR probably has as many if not more readers of its editorials.

    • David Ashton

      Global Slavery Index 2014.
      Population %ages:
      Mauretania 4%, Uzbekistan 3.9%, Haiti 2.3%, India 1.2% (14 million), Pakistan 1.1%, “DR”C 1.1%, Sudan 1.1%…..

  • MekongDelta69

    If you are familiar with Nicholas Kristof, don’t even waste your time or your eyesight reading this drivel.

  • Roninf9

    ‘Blacks were shackled’ by DNA. And that is that. We can either except it and go on with life or we continue living under the armed might of the State Leviathan forcing upon us the delusion that “we are all the same” at bayonet point.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      “‘Blacks were shackled’ by DNA. And that is that. We can either except
      it and go on with life or we continue living under the armed might of
      the State Leviathan forcing upon us the delusion that “we are all the
      same” at bayonet point.”

      All plants and animals are shackled by their DNA. What comes neck; do we try to train giraffes to fly; do we tell rattle snakes not to swallow mice?

      .

  • Musashi5000

    They’re not my people/tribe, and my negro-fatigue is at maximum.

    • TheGothFather412

      Blacks need to take care of their own, now.

      The time has past for White Paternalism.

      • Musashi5000

        If they could take care of their own somewhere else, that would be even better.

        • adplatt126

          lol.

  • D.B. Cooper

    Know thy enemy, people. Hey Nick, do you actually believe your dribble, or are you merely turning in this week’s paycheck, kissing up to the target audience?
    I mean, if I had written this article, and it described me as “a man who regularly posts on American Renaissance, every regular reader on Amren would be busting out laughing.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      Well would you look at that: Curly hair and a stupid expression. I wonder which ethnic group he is from.

      .

      • Whitesneedtobebrave

        Jewish I bet.

        • adplatt126

          Wrong.

      • nordmann

        The one that’s notorious at making up statistics. That could be anybody!

      • Three Stars

        Hmmm… I dunno… a Finn, maybe?

      • Max

        That poster SHOULD read: “The Plague and Threat of Africa”.

      • adplatt126

        Actually he’s not. Mother British, father Polish and Armenian. He’s not Jewish.

  • danallison

    “…centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century.” — The writer could not be more wrong. What some dead people did to some other dead people has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on we the living.

    • Three Stars

      So, according to this guy, Asian Americans are hogging engineering jobs because of all that time spent building railways.

  • Mary

    You’re correct, Nicholas, I don’t “get it.” Nor do I care to.

  • Luca

    What I don’t “get” is how liberals can generate this kind of one-sided fantasy and have it pass for evidence or fact. What I also don’t get, is how White people can read this nonsense and fully 1/3 of them not recognize it for the idiocy that it is.

    • Sick of it

      Because they pointed guns in our faces and we backed down instead of shooting them all dead. It really is that simple.

      • George Costanza

        Amen to that!!

    • George Costanza

      What I don’t get, is that he wrote three other parts…

    • JohnEngelman

      You should read the comments the column, the comments I was not allowed to add to. Some complained about the large number of blacks in prison. I worry about the large number of black criminals out of prison. One might murder me tomorrow when I go downtown.

    • TheGothFather412

      I reckon the degenerate 1/3 of Whites are those who are drug addled, feeble minded (can’t see through the propaganda), and other dysgenic wrecks (much of the White Races best stock perished in the last two World Wars).

      Oh and there are some hard-core commies in the mix as well.

      • Alfredo Rossi

        I hope that part of White races best stock had the time to reproduce. It’s really sad to think about it.

  • none of your business

    Is the the govt of Israel lobbyist Nicholas Kristof? It is the NYSLIMES, enough said

  • Biff_Maliboo

    “Orlando Patterson, the eminent black sociologist…”

    I rolled my eyes and quit reading after that.

    Gave it a chance, though.

    • TruthBeTold

      When I read that, my first thought was ‘a black man with an opinion and an agenda’.

  • superlloyd

    More liberal white guilt whining and refusal to accept reality: The reality of low black IQ and rampant criminality cannot be laid at YT’s door anymore. The effects of pandering and coddling to a minority that refuses to accept responsibility, and is feted as a victim of a chimera that only affects them (in a multi racial society) has only made an intractable situation chronic. The proof is in after 50 years of failed social engineering. Blacks can’t cut the mustard no matter how much leeway and affirmative action they are given.

  • none of your business

    I remember reading **** like this in Time, Newsweek and the local news papers when I was in high school, That was around 1958. Same old same old. Can’t wait to see what he writes about the coming Ferguson riots. Same garbage he and his ilk wrote after the Watts riots and every other black riot.

    • JohnEngelman

      Back in 1958 one could blame racial discrimination for black poverty. Now blacks are discriminated in favor of. They still lag behind.

      • Luca

        Blacks were statistically better off in 1958. But that was before they started voting the Democratic Party in droves.

      • WR_the_realist

        Yes, the “Irrational discrimination holds black people back” hypothesis has been thoroughly tested and found wanting.

        • JohnEngelman

          If during the debate over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 it could have been known that two generations after it was signed into law, there would still be a 15 point difference in average IQ’s between blacks and whites, blacks would still have a crime rate eight times the white rate, and an illegitimacy rate three times the white rate, I am fairly confident the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have been signed.

          The civil rights legislation represents the victory of hope over experience, and the defeat of wisdom.

    • bilderbuster

      I wasn’t around in 1958 but this was a broken record when I was born and hasn’t skipped a beat my entire life. The only thing that has changed is there is a Black president and AG and more Blacks in power and everything bad about Blacks when I was a child has only gotten worse with no sign of ever letting up.

      • The Worlds Scapegoat

        Now you know what happened to ancient Egypt. The same instigators did the same thing to the “lighter” population until Egypt turned black. Look at Egypt now. The blacks think they build the pyramids.

        .

        • bilderbuster

          That’s like if 5000 years from now when Black tomb raiders dig up Obama and find out he was the President of The Late, Great USA they will claim that Blacks were the Founding Fathers and built and invented everything in the former US.
          They will also claim the White Devils stole their civilization before they fled the Earth to live on the moon which is probably where Whites will have to live 5000 years from now to finally escape the Black undertow and the African planet they have turned the world into.

      • TheGothFather412

        Thats the thing! The Blacks have actually gotten WORSE! I blame this mostly on the rap music and its associated ‘thug’ culture which began to emerge in the mid-1980s.

  • John

    We “don’t get it”, we don’t want to “get it”, we don’t need to “get it” and we’re sick and tired of liberal idiots like this Kristoff dweeb telling us we’re missing “something” by not having “it”.

    • Max

      No but whites are select victims of “it”, have to tolerate “it”, be indoctrinated in “it” and endlessly finance “it”.

      I have had “IT” up to there!

      • John

        “Negro fatigue” claims yet another victim…..

        • Max

          Where I work it is an intellectual septic think-tank of diversity. I am certain I seem obsessive to some observers but the institutional indoctrination and egalitarian posturing goes on continuously, permeating everything. We have LGBT?-CYA-LSMFT (whatever) “safe zone” posters festooning the place, Moslem men sometimes blocking the hallways with their flying carpets at prayer time, mobile terrorist factories (the women) running around dressed like bee-keepers or the grim reaper in Nikes. Of course there are the blacks shrieking and grunting at high-levels always plugged into a Bluetooth earpiece no matter what else they may be doing.
          I could go on for pages. It is “diversity fatigue”.

          • TheGothFather412

            I also work amongst the dreg of diversity at a very liberal University Campus.

            We have been given the White Privilege brain-washing session. I am sure that up next is the non-sense about ‘micro-aggressions’…

            At least I am only there 8 hours, and the other 16 hours have some Freedom.

  • JohnEngelman

    I subscribe to The New York Times. I left a comment on this column on their website. I said that in order to understand persistent average income inequality between blacks and whites one must realize that a standard deviation exists in average IQ’s. I said that additional factors include a rate of violent crime that is seven times the white rate, and a rate of illegitimacy that is three times the white rate.

    Before a comment is included in something printed in The New York Times it must be approved. My comment did not violate their policy for comments. I used no obscene words. I did not attack anyone. What I said was both relevant, and factually correct. Nevertheless, my comment was not approved.

    • shawnmer

      You surprised? I’ve been banned from double digits worth of “reputable” news sites for similar (factual) statements.

      • JohnEngelman

        Every now and then The New York Times posts one of my comments. I am, after all, a subscriber.

        Once I posted a comment on the Nation magazine website saying that it is hypocritical for liberals to complain about de facto segregation in public schools when they send their children to white private schools. My ban from Nation was permanent. On several occasions I have sent Nation polite e-mail letters asking them why I am banned. I get no answer.

        Frequently, when Nation posts an article blaming whites for black problems they close the comment section before there are any comments at all.

        Once Tim Wise told me that he does not accept comments on his website because he is afraid of what they will be.

        The Southern Poverty Law Center website does not accept comments either.

        It is one thing to ban abusive, threatening, and obscene comments. I do not object to that. It is something quite different to prevent a civil discussion of important issues.

        • shawnmer

          I have gotten nothing from Tim Wise in private email but venom. And I argue only AR-Jared Taylor style terms. You?

          • JohnEngelman

            I tried to have a polite conversation with him. He became so abusive I thought he had been drinking.

          • shawnmer

            He is a waste of oxygen and it’s a shame he’s gotten pretty well off with a consulting business with work this intellectually shoddy.

            (Darn Disqus filter! Google “derbyshire Tim wise nazis can’t do math”)

          • JohnEngelman

            I have difficulty understanding the persistence of the white liberal guilt complex.

            White liberals should understand that race wrecked liberalism. The black ghetto riots that happened from 1964 to 1968, and the increase in black social pathology after the civil rights legislation was signed destroyed the New Deal Coalition, and led to the Republican ascendancy.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            I would blow into your sails if I could.

          • WR_the_realist

            It certainly seemed like Wise must have been drunk when he posted his infamous “tic toc” article, where he looked forward to seeing two thirds of the white population die.

        • Luca

          In the brave, new, world-order of Liberalism, there is no such thing as “Free Speech”. There is only propaganda and agenda speech.

          • JohnEngelman

            The scientific evidence for the biological inferiority of the Negro race is overwhelming. Those who feel protective toward blacks can only try to suppress that evidence by punishing those who draw attention to it.

          • Luca

            They are superior at basketball, dancing, drinking, doing drugs, rapping, committing crimes, procreating and begging. In these areas they are far superior.

          • JohnEngelman

            Qualities that gave them survival value in the African jungle earn them felony convictions in civilized countries.

        • claire

          Interesting the publications that will not allow comments. It means, of course, that even their regular readers are likely to write with rational logic and astute observation, and they cannot have this. Pretty funny really. Any time you see “no comments allowed” you can be sure it’s likely to be a work of such absurdity, it would draw only sane argument from its readers.

    • Max

      -but it wasn’t politically correct and that trumps factually correct every time

    • LexiconD1

      I was banned by the LATimes for, pretty much, the same reason. Feel lucky that only your post was not approved, and you weren’t flat out banned, altogether.

      • JohnEngelman

        I dislike the flaming and obscene language that is on too many websites. I appreciate a civil discussion of basic principles, where facts and logical reasoning are respected.

        • LexiconD1

          So why do they let the loony liberal pro-illegal alien lovers still post. They, certainly, don’t dwell on civil discussions, or facts and logic?…

          • JohnEngelman

            Incivility is not unique to the left.

          • LexiconD1

            Yes, I know. Those pesky facts be damned, lets worry about how one ‘frames’ their wordage, right JohnEngelman?…

          • JohnEngelman

            My courteous, fact based and logical arguments have been flamed by those on the left, and those on the right. Both sides have demanded that I be banned.

          • LexiconD1

            God Lord, really? Which horrendous publication do you post at, if I might ask?

          • JohnEngelman

            Storrmfront banned me after two weeks. Nation banned me after one comment.

          • LexiconD1

            LOL! Those are some pretty ‘reasonable’ people…damn 😉

          • WR_the_realist

            When I saw all the neo-Nazis on Stormfront, I lost any desire to even try posting there.

          • JohnEngelman

            It’s kind of stomach churning all right. Daily Stormer is even worse. Daily Stormer banned me after a week.

    • Luca

      You wandered from the agenda. You must only write positive things about blacks and negative things about Whites if you expect to be published in a Liberal propaganda publication.

      Here at Amren, we are largely and unfortunately preaching to the choir but where else can you exchange ideas on race wherein you use realistic life experiences and that ever elusive virtue called “truth”. As in “self-evident truth”.

    • WR_the_realist

      No surprise there. The right only wants to censor hard core pornography. The left wants to censor ideas.

      • JohnEngelman

        The left has no answer to facts about black genetic deficiencies but, “That’s racist.”

  • AmericanCitizen

    It seems to me that when it comes down to what is expected of a civilized person living in an advanced technological society like America, blacks are the ones who “just don’t get it”.

    • bilderbuster

      Can’t get it!

    • George Costanza

      Don’t wanna get it..

  • JohnEngelman

    De jure segregated schools have been replaced in some areas by de facto segregation.

    – Nicholas Kristof, New York Times, November 15, 2014

    This is because predominantly black public schools are dangerous places, where little learning takes place.

    By the way, Mr. Kristof, do your children attend predominantly black public schools?

  • JohnEngelman

    Do we ignore this long head start–a facet of white privilege–and pretend that the competition is now fair?

    – Nicholas Kristof, New York Times, November 15, 2014

    As soon as blacks were allowed to compete athletically they dominated several sports. This is because they are gifted in those sports. They have not been able to perform as well as whites academically and economically because they tend to be less intelligent.

    It is a disgrace that in the United States it is dangerous to point out something that is as obviously true as that.

    • Max

      You know that you are living in a closed society, claims to the contrary notwithstanding, when stating something which everyone knows to be true is dangerous to one’s reputation, livelihood and possibly freedom.

      • JohnEngelman

        Everyone is afraid to point out that the Emperor has no clothes.

        • Max

          The emperor has no clue.

      • Luca

        “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell

        • WR_the_realist

          Orwell was the most honest leftist who ever lived.

    • anony

      In Europe one can be jailed for pointing out certain facts.

      My fear is that that the practice of jailing those with whom the “establishment disagrees will come to this country. Political correctness has effectively accomplished the banning of unpopular speech. Enforcing “hate speech” laws is only one small step from jailing, though.

      I fear that free speech will eventually, maybe sooner than later, be relegated to the dust-bin of history.

      It will have lived only a very short time.

  • willbest

    Of course, the premise is faulty. Even if you subscribe to the notion that genetics stop at skin color, Blacks don’t act like whites and therefore couldn’t possibly achieve parity with them until that changed

    For example,

    it is difficult to clear 50k in household income without 2 adults, whether both work or just one.

    it is difficult to clear 50k in household income when you spend time in prison

    it is difficult to clear 50k in household income when you don’t put any effort into improving yourself.

    At one time whites were allowed to, and did in fact, enforce culturally productive traits on minorities whether they were Black, Irish, Italian, etc. But that has been illegal since the 1960s.

  • connorhus

    I wish some Liberal whackjob would point this so called White Privilege out for me sometime cause the only “privilege” I have ever seen or felt was the one telling me I am the only one safe to be passed over, let go (to make room for minorities) or not even considered.

    This is such a load of BS.

  • Dave West

    It’s funny how these articles about “oppressed blacks” and “white privilege” only compare black to whites. They never mention that hispanics do a little better than blacks in terms of test scores, education, and income despite the fact that a lot of them grow up in the same poor and crime infested communities as blacks. Hispanics along with Asians also faced “discrimination;” I’d be willing to bet that the ancestors of those “oppressed” Chinese railroad builders are doing light-years better than blacks and hispanics, and even better than whites. Asian incomes surpassed those of whites by the 1950’s, before the civil rights act was passed.

    Why is it that everywhere black people live; America, Canada, Latin America, Europe, etc. they always end up at the bottom of the barrel economically and at the top of the crime stats.

    Ever notice how the iq’s of different races in America correlate with their school test scores and income level. Take test scores for example, blacks at the bottom, hispanics just above blacks, and whites and Asians at the top; just like iq scores.

    • Guest

      I think that’s why the Asians even the east asians(indians) don’t complain like how the blacks and browns do, beacsue they are succesful in American society.

    • kjh64

      Hispanics do much better than Blacks. I mean, I’ve known Hispanics who came here legally from Mexico with nothing and will open up a taco stand, do cleaning work or whatever. Even most Mexican illegals do far better than Blacks. I’m NOT for illegal immigration from anywhere and believe illegals should be deported. I’m NOT for large amounts of legal immigration from anywhere either. However, Hispanics still are far ahead of Blacks, everyone is.

    • Luca

      “Why is it that everywhere black people live; America, Canada, Latin
      America, Europe, etc. they always end up at the bottom of the barrel
      economically and at the top of the crime stats.”

      They also end up at at the bottom of the barrel whenever and wherever they run their own cities, or countries as well. Cities and countries totally devoid of all Whites and their accompanying privilege and racism.

  • Irishgirl

    When I Just Don’t Care, part 4000.

  • Brady

    “We all stand on the shoulders of our ancestors. We’re in a relay race, relying on the financial and human capital of our parents and grandparents.”

    Apparently we’re supposed to be upset that our team is winning.

    • shawnmer

      This is the umpteenth time I’ve seen this preposterous “relay race” analogy. As if it’s not feasible blacks can ever “catch up” to us in income or socioeconomic measures because they “started so far behind us,” and inheritance, nepotism, and “institutional racism,” makes this insurmountable without govt action.

      Someone forgot to tell Asians and Jews of this impossibility!

      • bilderbuster

        Most importantly, they forgot to tell our ancestors.

  • Truthseeker

    “Oppression.” There’s that word again. For most of American history, survival has been a struggle for the average person of any race. You think that poor rural Whites who saw most of their children die before reaching adulthood had it easy? You think they had time to sit and worry about “the poor, oppressed Blacks”? The only “privilege” they got was derived from their meager capital within a small domain.

    These pampered, comfortable White liberals who want to self-flagellate because their race has its act together and other races don’t are lacking in perspective and should stop talking. If Blacks are ever going to achieve equality to Whites, they’re going to have to evolve and do it on their own, because we can’t do it for them. In the meantime, we have no obligation to hold ourselves back just because they need to “catch up.”

    • Ultimate187

      Oppression was the best thing to happen to Blacks. They needed a permanent excuse to hide their deficiencies and Whites gave it to them.

      • bilderbuster

        Blacks have an endless supply of excuses but nothing can hide their deficiencies.

    • bilderbuster

      The pilgrims were an oppressed minority when they arrived here.
      They were homeless too.
      Not a single ghetto to laze around in.
      Not even a segregated school to send their children too.
      Thank the Good Lord they didn’t forget to pack the Mayflower with White Privilege or they would have been SOL!

  • “When does individual responsibility kick in?”
    –Neil (original article)

    With blacks, it never does. Next question?

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    The ancestors of today’s whites and East Asians left Africa between 50,000 and 60,000 years ago. These population encountered novel environments — such as cold weather — which put selective pressure on them for novel solutions. One adaptation was white skin. There were many other adaptations, some having to do with brain function.

    There is extensive evidence from multiple genome scans, that natural selection has had extensive effect over those tens of thousands of years on the three separate continental races have been separated. In Nicholas Wade’s words, Human evolution has been “recent, copious and regional.”

    Thus the races are, on average, different in ways that matter a great deal. Nature is unfair. She does not care about equality. No amount of state intervention, no amount of white-guilt/white malice training can erase substantial innate genetic differences.

  • IKUredux

    Hey Kristof, where were you when Jason Blair got fired? Did you ever consider Mr. Blair was a VICTIM! Yes! A VICTIM! Poor, poor Mr. Blair, operating under NYT White hegemony, being forced to adapt to the Whites man’s idea of journalism, he had NO choice but to do what he did as a VICTIM of White oppression. Slavery, Mr. Kristof, made Mr. Blair a plagiarizer. It is incumbent on you to lead the effort to bring him back into the fold at the NYT. Mr. Kristof, be a man, a strong anti-racist White man, and encourage the Times to replace you with the poor, benighted Mr. Blair, the victim of YOUR and the NYT’s White privilege. Otherwise, STFU.

  • newscomments70

    “We’re in a relay race, relying on the financial and human capital of our parents and grandparents.” That statement applies to the <1 of the white population who were royalty. What about the 99% the whites who are descendants of serfs, slaves, or low paid workers (aka slave wages)?

  • TruthBeTold

    Ugh.

    Just shoot me (or even better, him).

  • LHathaway

    “black median household income is $34,598, compared with $58,270 for non-Hispanic whites”

    Considering 75% of black children grow up in homes outside of marriage, where there is only one adult in the house, it’s not surprising white ‘household incomes’ are nearly twice as high?

    The only legacy of historical discrimination anyone alive has experienced is 60 years of affirmative action, 60 years of racial activism and consciousness raising on behalf of women and people of color, and only women and people of color, and 60 years of discriminating against whites while ignoring them – no, while blaming them for discriminating.

    I have an answer for his friend Neil and his question. Individual responsibility kicks in when the Reality of race relations in this nation are discovered. It will only be after white men are denied ‘affirmative action’, too, affirmative action will begin to end for everyone else in this nation (for everyone else that isn’t a white man). That should be when ‘individual responsibility’ kicks in.

    • KevinPhillipsBong

      When blacks display the same tendencies in every nation they immigrate to then I think we should realize that the problem lies in the blacks themselves and not with the white men of the USA.

    • Who Me?

      “Considering 75% of black children grow up in homes outside of marriage, where there is only one adult in the house”

      A 15 year old unwed mother does not qualify as an adult. A large majority of black children grow up in households where there is NO adult in the house.

  • Rhialto

    The overarching disagreement that I have with Kristof’s views is that he assumes that America is a nation. This means that all Americans should cooperate for a common Good.

    I disagree. America ceased to be a nation by 1970, at the latest. Today’s America is a divided country, that the FedGov holds together by whatever means are needed. So why should I care about Americans who belong to no group that I care about, and who are totally indifferent (at best) to my welfare?

    • TruthBeTold

      As I say, we live in a post America America.

    • Tarczan

      As someone who witnessed the rise and collapse of the Soviet Union, I think I agree with you.

  • KevinPhillipsBong

    “They don’t appreciate the overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century.”

    His whole argument is that disparate results equal racism. For him its completely obvious that black failure owes the weight of its existence to white perfidy. When it’s just as obvious to me (with just as much evidence) that witchcraft is to blame for black failure…or maybe it’s racist leprechauns, I haven’t decided.

  • kjh64

    Why do Blacks have lower average incomes? Pretty simple. They are far more likely to have multiple out of wedlock kids at a young age, far more likely to have absentee fathers that don’t pay child support, far more likely to be single parents, far more likely to drop out of school, far more likely to commit crime and have a criminal record. The truth is that Whites have been propping Blacks up with all kinds of affirmative action government jobs as well as welfare benefits such as section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid etc. Looking at Black household income, you only see raw income, not welfare benefits in addition to their incomes. Whites don’t keep Blacks in America down, we prop them up.

  • anony

    Listen Kristof, you’re obviously the one that “just doesn’t get it”.

    We’re tired of listening/reading the utter trash you write. I find it unbelievable that you can believe the rubbish you write.

    • Usually Much Calmer

      I think his wife is mystery meat. He may have to think this crap to live with himself.

      • anony

        Please help with the “mystery meat” phrase; I need translation. Do you mean she is of dubious ethnicity?

        • Usually Much Calmer

          Simply a catchall for non white. Kristof’s wife is an American of Chinese descent.

          • anony

            Hot dogs are also mystery meat.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            Baloney.

          • anony

            that salsa mystery meat. 🙂

  • Hubbub

    “Aren’t we big enough to make amends by trying to spread opportunity, by
    providing disadvantaged black kids an education as good as the one
    afforded privileged white kids?”

    Nick, Nick, Nick! Where have all the trillions of dollars to improve the lot of black folk gone these past several decades – the ‘horrific’ amounts of money tossed at black education, desegregation, integration, and all the other government projects to improve the black standard of education and welfare?

    Let’s stop this madness, now, and just make all black folk honorary whites and then we’ll all be equal. That’s all it’ll take is another government mandate.

    Obama:”I hereby dub thee, all black folk, by the power vested in me as the first black/white president of these United States, to be henceforth and thereafter true and honorable white people. There, it is done. So let it be said, so let it be done. Thank ye, thank you.”

  • Petronius

    The striking thing about racial inequality in America is that blacks are the ones with the least commitment to their own self-betterment.

    And this is true across-the-board, not only in America but in Africa itself, in Haiti, Jamaica, etc., as well as in European countries having little or no historical experience with slavery, segregation, or imperialism.

  • RacialRay

    “They don’t appreciate the overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century.”

    Say what?

    The only “overwhelming evidence” of racial subjugation I’ve ever witnessed is what is happening today, right now, in the near-total media suppression of the full details of black-on-white crime, and the ubiquitous practice of giving special preference to anyone other than a white male in the workplace.

    For the record, I never enslaved anyone. No one I know ever enslaved anyone. No one I know has ever known anyone else who has ever enslaved anyone. But I sure have seen gross inequity under the despicable banners of Diversity and Affirmative Action.

  • George Costanza

    William Faulkner was right: “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”

    Faulkner …huh..

    Here’s some Orwell, Mr. Kristof..

    “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”

  • libertarian1234

    “Those of us who are white have a remarkable capacity for delusions.”
    Yes, like there’s no difference between blacks and every other group than the color of their skin.

  • Max

    “But we in white society should be equally ready to shoulder responsibility.”

    WHY are such statements from the left allowed to go unchallenged?! By what universal moral law are WE required to bear any responsibility whatever for this list of inequities? Shorter life expectancy among blacks is somehow a responsibility which devolves to whites? Failure to achieve the same income levels is due to “shackles”? Apparently whites are also responsible for poor health (which just *may* be related to life expectancy) by some unspecified mechanism. Whites must always respond to some non-demonstrable and often, unprovable assertion from the left, as if facts that must be addressed by all decent folk and of course, financed by whites.

    I’m going to have a stroke reading this crap someday and no black is going to help my family nor pay my medical expenses.

  • Emblematic

    “We all stand on the shoulders of our ancestors. We’re in a relay race, relying on the financial and human capital of our parents and grandparents”.

    ‘human capital’. Now there’s an interesting phrase.
    But he doesn’t make the obvious leap.

    This guy is truly a fully-gone example of liberalism as a race-focused equality religion. He seems to honestly believe that if only all non-biological conditions could be made ‘equal’ for all peoples the result would be total uniform sameness. It’s so delusional you really don’t know what to say.

  • Max

    Let’s now begin a discussion of how being black in an oppressive white nation has led to the problems presently faced by Bill Cosby.

    Okay, who’ll go first?

  • antiquesunlight

    “We all stand on the shoulders of our ancestors.”
    Ok.
    “We’re in a relay race, relying on the financial and human capital of our parents and grandparents.”
    That’s as it should be.
    “Blacks were shackled for the early part of that relay race, and although many of the fetters have come off, whites have developed a huge lead.”
    There is no reason for us to feel guilty about the success of our ancestors just because other peoples’ ancestors weren’t successful for whatever reason.
    “Do we ignore this long head start–a facet of white privilege–and pretend that the competition is now fair?”
    I, at least, don’t pretend the “competition” is fair since it’s biased in favor of blacks and other minorities. Furthermore, why must we view it as a racial status competition? Blacks are doing what they can (or not) and whites are doing what they can. That’s the way I view my own life; I don’t compete with blacks and asians or other whites to see who can make the most money or whatever. I just do the best I can. That’s all there is to it. The need to turn it into a status competition among races is a bit sick, really.

    “Of course not. If we whites are ahead in the relay race of life, shouldn’t we acknowledge that we got this lead in part by generations of oppression?”
    Acknowledging it does not mean that I ought to give up what I have rightfully inherited and worked for. Also, blacks have had ample time and opportunity to educate themselves and move up into the middle class. The fact that most of them haven’t is completely and totally their own responsibility. All in the world you have to do to be at least lower-middle class is work hard in school, show up to your job on time, do the best work you can on the job, be respectful of others, don’t have twenty chillens when you’re 16, and live by a moderate budget. You don’t even have to be very smart to do those things. I’ve known plenty of white people who are perfectly average, or maybe even below average, in smarts who live comfortable, happy lives because they followed those simple rules.
    “Aren’t we big enough to make amends by trying to spread opportunity, by providing disadvantaged black kids an education as good as the one afforded privileged white kids?”
    We’ve been doing that for a long time now and it isn’t working. There are good schools and there are bad schools, of course. But the bottom line is that if you are serious about trying to educate yourself, all you have to do is read the textbook, ask questions, and do your homework. And then you learn some trade or get a degree. Maybe your degree is from a community college instead of a high ranking university, but who cares. If you have a good work ethic, you’ll still get a decent job which will allow you to provide for yourself and your family. Most everything else is just cry baby nonsense.

  • The Worlds Scapegoat

    “As whites, are we doomed to an eternity of apology?” Neil tweeted at me. “When does individual responsibility kick in?”

    It is white peoples fault that blacks didn’t evolve at the same rate as whites for the last 100,000 years.

    .

    • MannyR

      Mark my words if white people don’t stand up soon across the globe and en masse and demand an end to this madness it’ll be 2090 and well still be talking about white privilege and cultural responsibility.

  • mom

    ‘We all stand on the shoulders of our ancestors.’

    My grandparents came here just 100 years ago, broke, speaking no English, with no safety net from society. They & others like them, worked like DOGS, while raising their kids to be responsible independent capable citizens

    A friend of mine has no grandparents. They were slaughtered in camps in WW2. His parents managed to get here and exist by the skin of their teeth, sacrificing everything so their kids could have good educations. No labor laws or handouts awaited them either..

    Another acquaintance has several ancestors who gave their WHITE lives in the course of freeing slaves during the Civil War. Yet another acquaintance came here after walking miles thru African territory; his group was named the Lost Boys of the Sudan. None of them are protesting, they are too busy educating & working to help those left behind in their homeland.

    Should I continue? Irish who witnessed starvation while Brits loaded ships with food for the UK. Japanese who were herded into camps after losing all property on the West Coast due to war fears.

    Yes, I am proud to say I stand on my ancestors’ shoulders, proud they managed to make something of themselves after facing much difficulty. DAM STRAIGHT I AM PROUD.

    • kjh64

      Same here. My late grandmother grew up very poor in Mississippi. This was the Great Depression. She didn’t have any electricity in her house until she was 10. She would tell me how her mother made her do her homework by candlelight and then check her work and demand she make good grades. She also didn’t have any running water and had to get water from a well and use an outhouse until she was around 10 or 11 or so. Yet, her parents never used any kinds of welfare, she said her parents would have died before they took charity, her parents took them to church on Sundays, taught them values etc. The scrimped and saved so their kids could go to college . There were no student loans. My grandma graduated from Ole Miss and later became a high school English teacher. She married and had kids. Yet, my grandma said her childhood, while poor, was good and she looked back on it fondly. No crying about it or saying “poor me”. So much for “White privilege”.

  • A Freespeechzone

    Always excuses and blame for not taking the responsibility to excel in life.

    Life is NOT fair at any level–White, black, yellow or brown; and never will be;

    Excuses will not change that fact.

  • Germanicus

    Everyday we experientially informed realists must endure the absurdities of AA luney talk and must have lies jammed down our throats by sanctimonious kultural overlords. The clock usabout five minutes to midnight.

  • Who Me?

    “We’re in a relay race, relying on the financial and human capital of our parents and grandparents.”
    This infuriates me. How DARE this weaselly little quisling presume to have any idea at all of how I grew up, or who my parents and grandparents were or what they did or had. How dare he presume to think he knows anything about me or my life? The only thing he needs to know is I’m the first person in my family to finish high school. I’m the first one who went to college, I’m the first one to get a degree. My parents and grandparents did not pay one thin dime to my education–they didn’t have it to pay. They didn’t leave one thin dime as an inheritance to anyone–they didn’t have anything to leave but a few bills–which my husband and I paid. They didn’t own a house, or good furniture or savings accounts or anything like that. They wouldn’t have known how to structure a financial portfolio if they had been suddenly blessed with a substantial amount of income.
    My entire stock of White Privilege consists in having a good brain and the common sense to use it to get a good education.
    I don’t want to hear ignorant know-it-alls like this this one talking about my so-called White Privilege. It’s not good for my blood pressure.

  • LexiconD1

    I’m going to throw up. As I was reading the comments, a new film promo popped up on TV for “Annie.”

    Annie is now black…vomit.

    • bubo

      Don’t you know? Only minority people have rough lives in America. White people are all rich and privileged. Therefore Annie MUST be black.

    • SolStans

      They just rearranged the letters in “ginger”.

      • Kenner

        Brilliant!

    • TheGothFather412

      So glad I only watch Netflix now…

      Seriously TV in 2014 is DOWN-RIGHT UNHEALTHY for Whites.

    • Mary

      I have heard about this nonsense. Ridiculous. I suppose a little freckled redhead is not seen as “diverse” or representational enough for multiculti America. On a message board I saw, some people were outraged, and others (the usual suspects) thought the change was just fabulous. Annie is a cultural icon, and this galls me no end. I’m sure we can imagine what would be said if Annie was originally a black girl, and became a White girl in the remake. Of course, that would never happen. “Annie” was one of my favorite childhood movies, but I most definitely will not be taking my children to see this ghetto Annie travesty.

      • anony

        The change was made exactly because Annie is a cultural icon.

        Part of the plan is to not only eradicate us, but to also eradicate our culture.

    • MannyR

      She’s black with a wicked white foster mom….

  • bubo

    Aren’t we big enough to make amends by trying to spread opportunity, by providing disadvantaged black kids an education as good as the one afforded privileged white kids?

    Author needs to check his privilege. Why must he try to shoe horn POC into white normative educational pursuits?

  • JohnBoye

    Agreeing that there is a problem with black attitudes to education and fatherhood is not the same as ‘shouldering responsibility’. I’m sure, if asked, the youths in question would also blame whitey somehow for their own ineptitude.

  • So, in effect, if somebody’s great great granddaddy was once part of ‘keeping the brutha down’, the black descendant of somebody (who may have only arrived 40 years ago) has the right to put at a disadvantage the said white ‘great great grandson’, because they are part of the wider Black race?…

    I think punishing the children for the perceived sins of their fathers (or even great grandfathers!) is against some form of international law.

    “…Those of us who are white have a remarkable capacity for delusions….”

    Well, that is the only thing he is right about. Whites are pretty delusional, but just not in the way he thinks they are!

    • Daniel

      I make these points because the incredible stupidity and lack of perspective of the GOP and other posters is beyond my ability to tolerate………
      THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHITE AMERICANS ARE NOT DESCENDED FROM SLAVEHOLDERS……..an overwhelming majority………..think about it.

      • MannyR

        You are absolutely correct, the actual amount of white Americans who are actually descended from family trees that contain original slave owners is extremely small if any at all. The Civil war wiped many slave owning families entirely. White Americans whose families immigrated from Europe to the US after the Civil war have no obligation whatsoever to buy into the slavery guilt garbage foisted upon them by the Marxist media.

      • Yes, that was the general thinking behind my comment, although I did make mention of the descendant for the purposes of attributing some kind of link to the mindset of the liberal in the article.

        Indeed, some ridiculously small percentage of White Americans have links to slavery and, likewise, some ridiculously small percentage of Blacks there have links to it.

        However, in media land and in liberal land, the idea pushed is that ALL the black folks in America have the “legacy” to deal with and ALL the White folks have to throw themselves under the bus to repent for this ‘sins’.

        Furthermore, America is a nation established by whites, for whites. It was a country vision inspired by whites, for whites. It was a country built up by whites, for whites.

        White people should not have any “guilt” whatsoever that they are still “over-represented” or “better off” or whatever else in their own established nation!

        Their ancestors toiled for them. Their ancestors created the “situation” in which most middle class white Americans find themselves. They are the ones still toiling, still doing the ‘right thing’, still going to work, still paying their taxes, still working and striving and toiling for their families and their future – all the while PAYING for an assortment of illegals and race-hustlers to multiply in their midst!

        These are other reasons why the article is just completely taking the ‘rise’ out of whites.

  • SolStans

    Compared to the relatively short time black slavery existed in the Western world, I’d say it was the tens of thousands of years surviving in the Lands of Winter played a much bigger role in our lead in the relay race. I prescribe a lengthy stay in Antarctica for the youths, and we’ll discuss it again in 22014.

  • Three Stars

    So sad I can’t down vote…

  • Chris

    Is Kristof (father’s full name: Krzysztofowicz) aware that Jews initiated and perpetuated the trans-Atlantic slave trade? Many of the wealthiest merchants and largest plantation owners in the Caribbean and North America were Jews. That’s a fact.

  • scutum

    This article is absolute trash from a left wing hack.

  • Bill Moore

    Hello,

    As far as the hiring of Africans goes, what employer in their right mind would hire Africans?

    Large corporations hire them, but the people in the human relations department are required to hire them.

    In any small business, where the owner has to deal with the employees on a daily basis, they’ll try to avoid the Africans.

    Thank you,
    Bill Moore

  • Larry Klein

    Love how the chosen people play both sides of the fence whenever it’s advantageous. ie “we ” (ostensibly whites) have to take responsibility. Of course he’ll gladly chameleon into the entitled victim if there’s an advantage to flouting his membership in the Tribe

    • MannyR

      And that’s why I’ve posted several times that Tribal members shouldn’t be considered white. They’re Tribesmen 1st and foremost.

  • nexus974

    Collective guilt and by extension collective punishment is a hallmark of the Left. Personally I’ve had my fill of collectivists telling me I should apologize for my existence.

    • MannyR

      They have no problem with collective punishment when those being punished are white, other wise every single person must be judged individually. They’re not collectivists, they’re anti white communist maniacs that need to stopped with absolute brutal force and zero mercy. They intend to take everything away from us, we need to start letting them know we can so the same.

  • WR_the_realist

    There is vast evidence for evolution. So much that it takes a powerful willful ignorance to deny it. There is also good evidence for global warming, although certainly that is not established science in the same way that evolution is. For those who insist that global warming is a fraud, just answer this question: How can atmospheric CO2 continue to rise, decade after decade, without eventually creating significant warming?

  • Raymond Kidwell

    What I don’t understand is the obsession with race. I’m white. My parents or grandparents didn’t have a lot of money. I don’t have any money. But I should be discriminated against because “whites” have a higher median income. Why is it so important to separate us into groups then treat us differently? These “liberal” policies seem to always be based on race. What happened to judging people based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin?

    I didn’t know all white people were on the same team. I must have missed the memo. So white people are all together united in some grand competition against other races? These arguments are all so horribly inconsistent and contradictory, but I guess the average person doesn’t have time to carefully analyze all the BS and just must passively accept more guilt and discriminatory policies.

    I don’t really care if black people are 4% more likely to get heart disease or short people have a 10% lower median income, I want these people to stop harassing me, denying me jobs, blocking my education, feeding me guilt etc. These radical “liberals” are the real criminals of society. They commit obvious crimes then write some contradictory and illogical essay to justify it, which the average person doesn’t have time to dismantle so just accepts the behavior as justified.

    I can see some of these radicals jumping someone and stealing his wallet then writing up a New York Times op ed about how they were simply correcting for centuries of subjugation. They will probably argue to the point that the victim thanks them for being hit across the head with a bat and robbed.

    And the thing is, it isn’t their rhetorical ability that wins arguments. It’s just the one sidedness of their arguments. When you only hear one viewpoint in school, in colleges, in the media, in newspapers, in popular literature, no matter how ridiculous it is, you start to accept it as though there is some truth to it.

    As stupid and offenses as many of these racist comments may be on places like Amren, at least one is exposed to some counter viewpoint. It seems odd there is so much censorship through society and that it’s universal. Lends credence to conspiracy theories.

    • wretchedwhiterabbit

      Of course, Liberal policy is race based. Liberals are White supremacists. Liberals don’t think any non-White is capable of improving his own existence without help from Whites. Skin color matters! All you have to do is look at the general skin color of any country or neighborhood, to ascertain its probable level of prosperity and security, and Whites are to blame for that. EVERY good Liberal and responsible Conservative knows that ONLY the evil White folk has the power and moral imperative to control and advance the future interests of non-Whites.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        Yes of course. If a black tribe that never had contact with the outside world (whites) is living in mud huts, it’s because of white people. There is a magickal supernatural force called white privelege that causes non-whites to live in substandard conditions, regardless of any evidence that it may be their own doing or that whites have nothing to do with it. And if you object to this endless race bating you will be called a racist.

        In a similar way I keep getting e-mails from the democratic party telling me how important it is to vote for women and vote more women in office. Apparently qualifications, character, individuals etc. don’t matter. The most important thing in a person is their race or gender. All they see is race and gender, it’s all they talk about and they endlessly push for racist and sexist policies and beliefs and if you simply object to it you are called a old fashioned, or racist or something.

        I would consider myself a moderate and a person that believes in a magickal invisible “racism” causing all the problems of the world to be a bit extreme. But I guess it’s those who have the money and power who set the dialog. I never hear a peep about Jewish privilege or Israeli racism from school, mainstream media etc. so I think that speaks volumes.

  • wretchedwhiterabbit

    LMWAO! According to this Kristof person, ONLY Whites possess the power of causality, while the capacity of non-Whites to improve and advance their own existence is equivalent to that of mound-building termites, which built the same mounds two thousand years ago that they will build two thousand years in the future. LOL! Kristof is an antiWhite, White supremacist, who can no more place blame on a non-White for wrong-doing, than he could place blame on a cat for killing a mouse, while he simultaneously assigns to the White folk responsibility for every injustice of history. Kristof is not antiracist, he’s antiWhite. Antiracist is a code word for antiWhite.

  • DiversityIsDeath

    ATTENTION NICHOLAS KRISTOF:

    STOP SPEAKING FOR ALL WHITE PEOPLE. JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF and YOUR FELLOW GROVELLING WHITE LIBERALS, WHO DO INDEED HAVE A REMARKABLE CAPACITY FOR DELUSIONS. GO MOVE TO ZIMBABWE and GET A CLUE.

  • MannyR

    When whites just don’t get it…you can be sure that a member of the Tribe will be there to remind everybody about white privilege, slavery and whatever other guilt trip is currently fashionable at the moment.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Global warming is a scientific fact, only the cause for it is in dispute.
    Evolution is as proven as a thing can be proven and now with what we have learned from DNA, anybody who denies evolution is nothing more than a dishonest fundie stubbornly clinging to religious dogma.

  • withcaution

    “…White people have been so filled with BS that their minds go into lock down on the subject…”

    This is the reason religions exist as well. Most people, even white people, don’t have a good BS filter. People simply parrot whatever they’ve been told is true.

  • withcaution

    Black people have given us the greatest gift ever. They make even our worst white trash look good in comparison.

  • Jeff Traube

    Blacks don’t get it. White Fatigue is being reached with crime, incompetence and anti-social behavior – and excusing that behavior; and ever more demands for favorable treatment.

  • Daniel

    The problem with the political debate today is that a very real and tangible solution to our problems cannot even be DISCUSSED. What if your doctor could only peripherally explain your disease but never actually say to you that you had leukemia?
    He talked about all kinds of implications but could never actually say the term “leukemia” and then could not even dream of saying…….”chemotherapy”.
    Chemotherapy being considered an antiquated and barbaric treatment from the past had become a taboo.
    What if that was the case with you and your doctor?
    Would you ever recover……….or would you die? What does that say about the psychological state of that culture?
    The Second Amendment is only preceded by one amendment in the Bill of Rights. Why?
    Could it be because when your elected officials fail to follow the Constitution……….there is no other “treatment”?

  • Len Guini

    White guilt, shoved into our faces every day by the zionist-owned media, has had a major effect on the white race. Forget all the guilt and buy a gun! Blacks are violent, savage, white-hating ingrates who should be deported back to their beloved Africa so they can prove to the world that they are equal to us white Europeans who conquered the entire world and created civilizations that still last today while their African achievements are where???