‘The Bell Curve’ 20 Years Later: A Q&A with Charles Murray

Natalie Scholl, AEI Ideas, October 16, 2014

October marks the 20th anniversary of “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life,” the extraordinarily influential and controversial book by AEI scholar Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein. Here, Murray answers a few questions about the predictions, controversy, and legacy of his book.

It’s been 20 years since “The Bell Curve” was published. Which theses of the book do you think are the most relevant right now to American political and social life?

American political and social life today is pretty much one great big “Q.E.D.” for the two main theses of “The Bell Curve.” Those theses were, first, that changes in the economy over the course of the 20th century had made brains much more valuable in the job market; second, that from the 1950s onward, colleges had become much more efficient in finding cognitive talent wherever it was and shipping that talent off to the best colleges. We then documented all the ways in which cognitive ability is associated with important outcomes in life–everything from employment to crime to family structure to parenting styles. Put those all together, we said, and we’re looking at some serious problems down the road. Let me give you a passage to quote directly from the close of the book:

Predicting the course of society is chancy, but certain tendencies seem strong enough to worry about:

  • An increasingly isolated cognitive elite.
  • A merging of the cognitive elite with the affluent.
  • A deteriorating quality of life for people at the bottom end of the cognitive distribution.

Unchecked, these trends will lead the U.S. toward something resembling a caste society, with the underclass mired ever more firmly at the bottom and the cognitive elite ever more firmly anchored at the top, restructuring the rules of society so that it becomes harder and harder for them to lose. (p. 509)

Remind you of anything you’ve noticed about the US recently? If you look at the first three chapters of the book I published in 2012, “Coming Apart,” you’ll find that they amount to an update of “The Bell Curve,” showing how the trends that we wrote about in the early 1990s had continued and in some cases intensified since 1994. I immodestly suggest that “The Bell Curve” was about as prescient as social science gets.

But none of those issues has anything to do with race, and let’s face it: the firestorm of controversy about “The Bell Curve” was all about race. We now have 20 more years of research and data since you published the book. How does your position hold up?

First, a little background: Why did Dick and I talk about race at all? Not because we thought it was important on its own. In fact, if we lived in a society where people were judged by what they brought to the table as individuals, group differences in IQ would be irrelevant. But we were making pronouncements about America’s social structure (remember that the book’s subtitle is “Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life”). If we hadn’t discussed race, “The Bell Curve” would have been dismissed on grounds that “Herrnstein and Murray refuse to confront the reality that IQ tests are invalid for blacks, which makes their whole analysis meaningless.” We had to establish that in fact IQ tests measure the same thing in blacks as in whites, and doing so required us to discuss the elephant in the corner, the mean difference in test scores between whites and blacks.

Here’s what Dick and I said: There is a mean difference in black and white scores on mental tests, historically about one standard deviation in magnitude on IQ tests (IQ tests are normed so that the mean is 100 points and the standard deviation is 15). This difference is not the result of test bias, but reflects differences in cognitive functioning. The predictive validity of IQ scores for educational and socioeconomic outcomes is about the same for blacks and whites.

Those were our confidently stated conclusions about the black-white difference in IQ, and none of them was scientifically controversial. See the report of the task force on intelligence that the American Psychological Association formed in the wake of the furor over “The Bell Curve.”

What’s happened in the 20 years since then? Not much. The National Assessment of Educational Progress shows a small narrowing of the gap between 1994 and 2012 on its reading test for 9-year-olds and 13-year-olds (each by the equivalent of about 3 IQ points), but hardly any change for 17-year-olds (about 1 IQ-point-equivalent). For the math test, the gap remained effectively unchanged for all three age groups.

On the SAT, the black-white difference increased slightly from 1994 to 2014 on both the verbal and math tests. On the reading test, it rose from .91 to .96 standard deviations. On the math test, it rose from .95 to 1.03 standard deviations.

If you want to say that the NAEP and SAT results show an academic achievement gap instead of an IQ gap, that’s fine with me, but it doesn’t change anything. The mean group difference for white and African American young people as they complete high school and head to college or the labor force is effectively unchanged since 1994. Whatever the implications were in 1994, they are about the same in 2014.

{snip}

The flashpoint of the controversy about race and IQ was about genes. If you mention “The Bell Curve” to someone, they’re still likely to say “Wasn’t that the book that tried to prove blacks were genetically inferior to whites?” How do you respond to that?

Actually, Dick and I got that reaction even while we were working on the book. As soon as someone knew we were writing a book about IQ, the first thing they assumed was that it would focus on race, and the second thing they assumed was that we would be talking about genes. I think psychiatrists call that “projection.” Fifty years from now, I bet those claims about “The Bell Curve” will be used as a textbook case of the hysteria that has surrounded the possibility that black-white differences in IQ are genetic. Here is the paragraph in which Dick Herrnstein and I stated our conclusion:

If the reader is now convinced that either the genetic or environmental explanation has won out to the exclusion of the other, we have not done a sufficiently good job of presenting one side or the other. It seems highly likely to us that both genes and the environment have something to do with racial differences. What might the mix be? We are resolutely agnostic on that issue; as far as we can determine, the evidence does not yet justify an estimate. (p. 311)

That’s it. The whole thing. The entire hateful Herrnstein-Murray pseudoscientific racist diatribe about the role of genes in creating the black-white IQ difference. We followed that paragraph with a couple pages explaining why it really doesn’t make any difference whether the differences are caused by genes or the environment. But nothing we wrote could have made any difference. The lesson, subsequently administered to James Watson of DNA fame, is that if you say it is likely that there is any genetic component to the black-white difference in test scores, the roof crashes in on you.

On this score, the roof is about to crash in on those who insist on a purely environmental explanation of all sorts of ethnic differences, not just intelligence. Since the decoding of the genome, it has been securely established that race is not a social construct, evolution continued long after humans left Africa along different paths in different parts of the world, and recent evolution involves cognitive as well as physiological functioning.

The best summary of the evidence is found in the early chapters of Nicholas Wade’s recent book, “A Troublesome Inheritance.” We’re not talking about another 20 years before the purely environmental position is discredited, but probably less than a decade. What happens when a linchpin of political correctness becomes scientifically untenable? It should be interesting to watch. I confess to a problem with schadenfreude.

{snip}

Reflecting on the legacy of “The Bell Curve,” what stands out to you?

I’m not going to try to give you a balanced answer to that question, but take it in the spirit you asked it–the thing that stands out in my own mind, even though it may not be the most important. I first expressed it in the Afterword I wrote for the softcover edition of “The Bell Curve.” It is this: The reaction to “The Bell Curve” exposed a profound corruption of the social sciences that has prevailed since the 1960s. “The Bell Curve” is a relentlessly moderate book–both in its use of evidence and in its tone–and yet it was excoriated in remarkably personal and vicious ways, sometimes by eminent academicians who knew very well they were lying. Why? Because the social sciences have been in the grip of a political orthodoxy that has had only the most tenuous connection with empirical reality, and too many social scientists think that threats to the orthodoxy should be suppressed by any means necessary. Corruption is the only word for it.

Now that I’ve said that, I’m also thinking of all the other social scientists who have come up to me over the years and told me what a wonderful book “The Bell Curve” is. But they never said it publicly. So corruption is one thing that ails the social sciences. Cowardice is another.

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  • Whitetrashgang

    Well it will be interesting with the 1984 media how long the lie will continue. Unfortunately, maybe forever.Just a huge waste of time.

  • What’s happened in the 20 years since then? Not much. The National Assessment of Educational Progress shows a small narrowing of the gap between 1994 and 2012 on its reading test for 9-year-olds and 13-year-olds (each by the equivalent of about 3 IQ points), but hardly any change for 17-year-olds (about 1 IQ-point-equivalent). For the math test, the gap remained effectively unchanged for all three age groups.

    I think most if not all of this slight gap narrowing can be explained by the fact that in the last 20 years, more “blacks” are actually mixed race mulattoes that are the results of B/W relationships or marriages. Although that paragraph is followed up by the news that in the same time period, the SAT gap has actually increased, so that might not be the right explanation. Maybe there has been some silly business going on with the NAEP test formulation.

    On this score, the roof is about to crash in on those who insist on a purely environmental explanation of all sorts of ethnic differences, not just intelligence. Since the decoding of the genome, it has been securely established that race is not a social construct, evolution continued long after humans left Africa along different paths in different parts of the world, and recent evolution involves cognitive as well as physiological functioning.

    I keep hearing and seeing and reading that, that “any day now” the great lie machine is going to fall apart. And the more I hear and see and read that prediction, the more it doesn’t come true, in fact, the lie machine is stronger than ever. Really, as long as the great lie continues to serve the interests of elitist hypocrites and as long as those same elitist hypocrites can get away with concocting a Rube Goldberg set of legal, moral, political, social and rhetorical devices so that they can benefit from the products of white racialism while putting on the veneer of compassion, egalitarianism and altruism, the great lie machine will not fall apart because there will be no reason for it to fall apart. Even if Nicholas Wade is right, TPTB will just throw together some more rationales and mental gymnastic work-arounds.

    • Oil Can Harry

      IMHO the school test scores narrowed slightly between blacks and whites in the aftermath of massive test fraud caused by Dubya’s No Child Left Behind debacle.

      AFAIK during the last 20 years the IQ gap between both races remained at 15 points. If true, it makes no sense that the school test score gap would lessen unless due to fraud.

    • Rizzo419

      The flood of hormones and emotions that a mulatto teenager experiences probably overwhelms any genetic advantage they might have had as a child.

    • mikekingjr

      And the media will continue to roll the presses repeating said rationales, pounding them into the dimwits who still revere the msm talking heads. Thank God I found AMREN.

      • Max

        Unfortunately, those who really NEED to find AmRen refuse to find it. They also cover their eyes when a scary scene comes on TV so it won’t be there.

    • ViktorNN

      You may be right – in the short term TPTB will just deflect, deny, and throw up a blizzard of public policy and propaganda to maintain the illusion that race doesn’t exist. This will give them the time to work toward the long term goal of mixing us together into one large planetary servant class that’s stupid and easy to rule.

      • none of your business

        Comparing the salaries and opportunities of engineers and computer programmers in 1970 with their salaries and opportunities in 2010 maybe the cognitive elite are not so well off as the writers of this piece seem to think.
        Certainly the old “get a BA in anything and you will get a decent job” middle class mantra is long gone.

    • M&S

      You forgot to add:
      Whites get dumber and fewer. Our children are brainwashed into believing _they_ are innately, genetically, inferior.
      Other ethnies become more numerous, socially dominant and society decays as a result.
      Mr. Murray’s satisfaction with other’s pain at their self engineered angst is the happiness of a white man seeing whites fail as an entire gene group.
      Destroying the opportunities for whites to prove their excellence without anti-ra ‘coaching’ at the kinds of things which matter: high end science, engineering, culture and philosophy. Delaying our ability to reinvent ourselves because we are albatrossed with racial vampirism is as big a threat to our survival as ignoring the end of the Cold War and trying to start a new one.
      In many ways, I think the latter is the big issue here. Whites generate some 16% of our numbers with the IQ to go to college and _see through the nonsense_ that is racial equality in a Darwinian adapted world (those most successful for their environment are selected blacks are not native to a high IQ environment).
      If having 16% of our population with 115-120 IQs isn’t sufficient to save us from implosion as a people, what good is higher IQ doing for us when, clearly, ‘racism’ is about protecting genetic legacies or it WOULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED THIS LONG.
      The cognitive elite abandon precepts which should protect them, above all others as the rarest expression of a people who are, already, a minority group.
      One reason is outside malevolent influence. A mean standard deviation in intelligence should mean that we are not fooled by black and Hispanic antics as indeed they are not capable of a sophisticated enough social camouflaging of their predatory impulses.
      Another is betrayal of nominal self interest. If whites implode as a socially protective group isolate surrounded by BILLIONS of the also rans, our genetic ability to recreate ourselves as the next generation of intelligence (‘completey random’ as it is, genetically) is also lost. Smart people on their own have kids who are likely to occupy the middle ground between themselves and their population group norm. Which means that they cannot breed smart forever without injections of new brilliance.
      Or can they?
      This may answer your challenge about the reasoning behind ‘any day now’. Because the accepted norm is that genomics studies will proof out the social theory. And it has happened but only using mathematical studies which prove it cannot be environmental alone. There is no hard biochemistry which says “It’s gene-X.” And it MUST BE a limited sequence of genes because of that children-of-smart-people-aren’t-as-brilliant condition which applies to all populations. Even the Jews.
      What happens if the puzzle has been figured out? What happens if modern medicine has made it possible to deterministically apply a genomic therapy during a specific developmental stage of a young person in a certain group of genetically compatible individuals?
      Why then you have the potential for ‘sustainable growth’ of high IQ populations whose gifts are essential to the new-feudalism underlings of a stupid ethnic wage slave class.
      Not to other whites mind you. We would rapidly figure out that SOMETHING was up as one group of us started pulling apart the homo sapiens/homo evolutis IQ spread. But the dummies who have been raised up _specifically_ to believe that ‘race is a social construct’. And ‘genetics mean only as much as environment’ (sure, where environment comes from a needle with a retroviral). They will never even bother to ask who runs it all and why they are so damn smart, so remote and so untouchable.
      I honestly believe whites are being actively consigned to oblivion because we are just smart enough to ken the difference and be jealous/suspicious/unmanageable.
      Which, if you listen to all the stuff coming out of the elites discussions is just the opposite of the renewed feudalism necessary to keep the staggering mass of humanity from destroying itself.
      Or at least their position in charge of it all.
      This is evil. This is the nature of coldly premeditated diversion of attention from the reality of what awaits our white culture if we continue down this road, blindly trusting people who share our skin color not to sell us out to those who don’t.
      Not because ‘racism’ is bad. But because it is no longer necessary to maintaining dominance in the NWO as an expression of sub-species loyalties which is what race really represents.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Dr. Murray may say the “roof is about to crash in” on race deniers, but here is my prediction: as soon as that happens, the race deniers will admit that, yes, there are IQ differences between the races.

    But they will then switch to arguing that, with the way technology, genetic engineering and the like are progressing, we will soon have the means by which to equalize the IQs of all the races.

    And they will insist that we just need 10, 20 or 30 more years of the same kind of “affirmative action” society we have now until that happens.

    In other words, nothing will change.

    • connorhus

      Sure it will change. They will demand even more money.

    • Adolf Verloc

      We almost certainly will find ways to raise people’s cognitive abilities through genetic modification, drugs or brain implants in the fairly near future. Until that happens, efforts to close the achievement gap through Head Start and similar measures will be as useless as leeches or purging in medicine.

      • UncleSham

        Most stimulants raise people’s cognitive abilities, but only temporarily.

    • mikekingjr

      That IQ equalization would only be possible with the dumbing down of Whites to the level of those people. Glad I won’t be alive to see it.

      • 1stworlder

        I guess you didn’t hear about common core. There are math problems that those who did times tables could do in their heads that require 100+ steps. Imagine your child looking at a question and saying the correct answer but getting less points than a black that went through the steps and got the wrong answer.

        • I was once given an “F” on a junior high school mathematics test because I used the Greek letter for “i”.

          “I hadn’t told you that yet”, was his explanation. I said that my father was a university physics professor. I got an “A”.

          While my ex-father was a completely wicked individual, I am still glad for what I learned from that experience.

    • none of your business

      You are right, nothing will change. Affirmative action for morons will continue, liberals will spend billions of dollars sitting in their fantasy world devising new methods to educate low IQ blacks and nothing will change. 40 percent of blacks have IQs below 80,

    • none of your business

      You are right nothing will change. The book was ignored by everyone but race conscious Whites like us 20 years ago and will be ignored until there is a complete revolution which I doubt will happen.

  • MekongDelta69

    Normal person: “There are differences in IQ among the races.”

    Lunatic leftist: “No there isn’t. But if there is, it’s due to White Privilege.”

    Normal person: “Check please.”

    • RebelliousTreecko

      Geez, check your White genetic privilege.

    • antiquesunlight

      I must not have normal friends/acquaintances. Most of the people I know are very PC and would never cease to rationalize racial IQ differences as well as other things, like disproportionate crime rates.

      • Sick of it

        Wow, the people around here tend to be pretty straight forward about it all, even if behind closed doors. It’s not rocket science.

      • UncleSham

        It seems about 50/50 here in the Midwest, in terms of people who acknowledge racial realities. Most people wish that racial differences didn’t exist, but will concede that they do if pushed.

  • me

    The socialist vision of Utopia is their godless religion. All ‘humanists’ are just as fanatical as the Papacy, during the church’s Inquisition and their attack on Galileo and others. SSDD. New ‘humanist, secular, elitist, and egalitarian’ lies are the new cult. The only ones that have to live in this man-made nightmare are those of us who can’t afford gated communities and armed guards.

    • Sick of it

      Wouldn’t it be interesting if it were proven that the same group responsible for the Inquisition were responsible for secular humanism? Deflection, deflection, deflection.

      • me

        I see what you did there….

    • mikekingjr

      At least buy a gun or two.

  • dd121

    Since when does the truth matter to leftists and their view of the races?

    • journey

      Stop the tax dollars and their delusions will come to a screeching halt. Or the Hispanics will put a stop to it since they will be battling for the shrinking white tax dollars as their numbers increase.

  • Truthseeker

    I hope Murray is right. I would love to see these liars backed into a corner and forced to admit that all these “racists” who they vehemently cursed at were in fact right all along. It’s also nice to see Murray talk about corruption in the social sciences. He seems to be a fairly moderate, even-tempered man most of the time, so I’m glad he can call people out when he needs to.

    • ThomasER916

      I would love to see it too but it will never happen. Read the Culture of Critique series. You’ll have a good idea how Rhodesia became Zimbabwe.

  • Man of the West

    So. Mean IQ of 85. This means that half of all blacks have an IQ lower than 85, in many cases, quite a bit lower. Have you ever spent much time with someone that dumb? It’s exhausting. The wife does Special Education. Guess who makes up 80% of the class in a district where they’re less than 15%? Bingo! I sound like a broken record but if your IQ is below 100 you can’t be educated. Only trained. At some point >70 you can’t even be trained. You eat, sleep, and fornicate. That’s about it. If their mean is 85 then about 75% are below 100. Most educational opportunities are wasted on them. But we don’t need manual laborers so what do we do with them? I guess what we’ve done. Permanently on the dole, generation after miserable generation. Depressing. For us.

    • Fathercoughlin

      Depends on how the bell curve is shaped.My guess is that theres LOTS of blacks well below 85. Well below.

      • journey

        Globally, the majority of black IQ is ~70. Evidence = the societies that they have created. Very troubling due to their rapid breeding. They are outstripping the resources around them.

        • Usually Much Calmer

          Luckily, they have no idea what to do with the tungsten and we don’t need their goats and manioc.

          • journey

            We didn’t need the one currently sitting in the WH either.

    • journey

      You mean <70? = whole of Africa, Haiti, etc.
      Solution: mandatory birth control. We can't keep up. They have 6-8 kids per woman. Then the male has multiple partners. This pattern is global. There will be more diseases with global impact out of Africa due to no sanitation, high density shantytowns, etc., etc.

      • Chris Granzow XI

        Part of the problem with Africa is that they only have legal abortion in Cape Verde (a small archipelago off the coast) and South Africa. It’s illegal everywhere else.
        latitude.blogs.nytimes(dot)com/2011/12/15/africas-abortion-wars/

        • journey

          The best approach is to prevent the problem before it happens which means birth control implants which is easier to manage than sterilization, abortions, and pills. This should be done as quickly as possible but ….

          The giving out condoms have been used for other creative purposes than the intended purposes = useless.

          • winn sutanto

            I am a believer in different IQ rates among different races.
            Askhenasi Jews have the highest IQ, followed by East Asians (Chinese, Korean, and Japanese) followed by White Caucasian Gentiles (German, the Scandinavians, British, Dutch, Irish
            French, etc etc.) and then Hispanics, Asian Indians/Pakistanis, and the very bottom of the pole are Black Africans from Kalahari desert and pure blooded Australian aborigines.
            Having said all of that. I do not believe at all on the Abortion.
            Abortion is a killing of unborn human being.
            It is abominable in the eyes of God Almighty.
            The doctors take an oath to preserve life and not to destroy it.
            And contraceptions should only be used by marriage heterosexual couples joined on the holy matrimony.
            I know that situation is getting worse, but abortion should never ever be the solution. It is morally very very very very wrong

        • 1stworlder

          Stop sending food and medicine to see Africa collapse 3 weeks later.

    • TL2014

      I guess a good start would be to get a onsensus about these facts. Ha, I’m dreaming I know.

    • Garrett Brown

      70 IQ.

    • JTK

      Dr.
      Arthur Jensen cites the following four IQ thresholds:

      (1) An IQ of 50 or below. This is the threshold below which most adults cannot
      cope outside of an institution. They can typically be taught to read at a 3rd
      or 4th grade level. However, they cannot normally function in the customary
      classroom setting, and they require special training programs.

      (2) An IQ between 50 and 75. At this level of intelligence, they generally
      cannot complete elementary school. Most adults will need smarter help in coping
      with the world.

      (3) An IQ between 75 and 105. Children in this IQ range are not generally able
      to complete a college prep course in high school.

      (4) An IQ between 105 and 115. May graduate from college but generally, not
      with grades that would qualify them for graduate school.

      (5) An IQ above 115. No restrictions.

      For IQs in these ranges, the influence of IQ upon
      socioeconomic status is dramatic. 31% of those with IQs below 75 were on
      welfare, compared with 8% of those in the 90 to 110 IQ interval, and 0% in
      those with IQs above 125. 55% of mothers with IQs below 75 went on welfare
      after the birth of the first child, compared with 12% of those with IQs between
      90 and 110, and 1% of those with IQs above 125. Income is highly dependent upon
      IQ up to an IQ-level of about 125.

      • 1stworlder

        With blacks it functions more along the lines of mental age. A black with an IQ of 70 has the mental capacity of an 11yo in an adults body while an Asian/YT with a 70IQ would have serious problems.

      • none of your business

        ” They can typically be taught to read at a 3rd
        or 4th grade level” Did Jensen really say that about people with 50 IQs? I doubt they can be taught to read at all. 4th grade level is sufficient for almost all reading. I know newspapers and magazines are geared to 4th grade level. I believe it takes about 7 years to just toilet train people with 50 IQs
        A lot of the government employees with BAs and affirmative action management jobs can’t read at 4th grade level.

        • JTK

          This was direct citation from Arthur Jensen’s book
          “Straight Talk About Mental Tests”, The Free Press, A
          Division of the Macmillan Publishing Co., Inc., New York 1981, pg 12.

    • none of your business

      According to John Derbyshire 40 percent of blacks have IQs of 80 and below. They are not all on welfare and in prison. Many work for federal, state and local agencies.

      • Man of the West

        Yeah with a mean of 85, 40 % at 80 or below sounds about right.

  • dave

    I can’t take credit for this but someone said blacks are nothing but “Obsolete farming equiptment”

    • mikekingjr

      If the USA does not become energy independent that obsolete farm equipment may gain a new lease on life.

      • journey

        Not so. The Hispanics are more than happy to do menial work. They are more preferred than the hapless lazy deluded blacks.

    • none of your business

      Some else wrote it. I picked it up and I posted it for months. OFE pronounced OFEE.

  • Luca

    In the 20 years since “The Bell Curve…” was published, all the Left has managed to do is go through elaborate mental contortions to avoid the truth, make excuses for the truth, distort the truth, lie, change the subject and name call.

  • antiquesunlight

    Unlike many here, I am optimistic. I feel change in the air, somehow. Unfortunately, it’s a patience game because the change is not likely to happen fast at all. I think there will be a time, probably after I’m dead, when people will look back on this time period and laugh.

    • Usually Much Calmer

      My sense is similar. It is not based on hope, the situation now is simply unstable and anything could set off a rapid change. It may not even be toward an improvement from my point of view. But some kind of change is highly likely.

    • 1stworlder

      Yea Obola might take out all the democrat strongholds. If only we can stop the dead from voting.

    • winn sutanto

      The argument is always nature versus nurture.
      So for most people are “either/or”.
      But if you look very carefully throughout American history.
      Actually it is both. So yes, both nature and nurture contribute to how black people are now, and how black people were before civil right movement.
      Take a very good look on how American society before mid 1960’s
      Up to 1965, America was a conservative society. Having great respect to parents, teachers, and authorities. Not to mention also the fact that God was honored inside the school. And the white authorities (the police, the judge, the politicians) will take no crap from black people.
      At that time, black people could not just go around being violent the way they are now. Because if they became violent the police would kick their butts.
      So blacks learned at that time to have a good orderly life.
      Respecting their parents, going to the church, earning a living in an honest way, and at the school black children learned to respect their teachers.
      And yes they were also studying and doing their homeworks.
      As a result, blacks actually did much better back then compared to how they are doing now.
      No doubt blacks genetically always have lower IQ than whites.
      But then if you have the lower IQ but you are raised in the nurturing and healthy environment, more likely you will come out as healthy, productive, well-balanced human being.

      • winn sutanto

        And by the way. My statement that said Blacks on the average have lower IQ than whites is NOT a racist statement.
        Because I will also say that Caucasian White in general have lower IQ than East Asians (Koreans, Japanese, or Chinese).
        And East Asians in general have lower IQ than Askhenasi Jews.
        Accurate assessment is accurate assessment.
        It needs not to be racist.

        • journey

          Not to argument with you since you are just repeating dogma. The IQ of whites rank the highest on this planet which is why their gene pool must be protected by not breeding with say blacks. As you stated earlier, whites are the builders of advanced civilization on this planet, not the Jews or Asians. Most of the wealth, innovations, and inventions on this planet are from white brain power. This is so because the whites possess an unique gene pool – not evolutionary originally.

          • antiquesunlight

            Where did you read that whites have the highest IQs? According to everything I’ve ever seen, that is definitely false, unless you count Ashkenazi Jews as whites (as I do). But I think even if you include Jews in the white average, our overall average is lower than Asians.

            That being said, I’m starting to think that whites used to be the smartest in the world (or at least much closer to the Asian average) but have simply declined over the last century or so because of dysgenics.

          • journey

            The dogma that whites do not have the highest IQ on this planet was so that the originators would not be branded as racists. BUT it does not take much brain power to observe the empirical evidence that white brain power is the highest of all the races on this planet. Both China’s and Japan’s wealth came from this country due to the inventions and innovators from whites. As for the Jews, they would not have Israel except for the whites. And it was German brain power that had given Israel a leg up in technology. The Asians/Jews do well in white created nations but again it is a nation created by whites.

            One can manipulate numbers/stats but not real inventions and innovations. And the Chinese send their children to be educated in this country in large numbers. Why the need for this if their IQ’s are higher than whites? This country should be sending our children to Asian countries to be educated and inventions should be forthcoming from Asian societies. But in reality, it is the reverse.

            To raise the esteem of the poor hapless blacks, myths are created so they can feel good about themselves, along with their handlers. For example, the new Detroit’s patent office is named after a made up black inventor.

          • antiquesunlight

            But IQ researchers don’t claim that blacks have high IQs, so it doesn’t make sense to say that they are protecting blacks.

          • journey

            But academia/policy makers suppress/oppress the discussion and research of the low IQ/intelligence of blacks so yes, they are “protecting” them. And the creation of black myths also falls under this “protecting”. It is a taboo topic even concerning Hispanics. Remember Jason Richwine?

            Globally, everyone knows about the low IQ of blacks. They are treated as like eternal pets/children. The latest Ebola crisis, fingers are being pointed at other than blacks on getting it contained and managed.

          • antiquesunlight

            Just because the published IQ data is rationalized or to some extent suppressed does not mean the data is false. In fact, if it was altered to fit an agenda, there would be no reason to suppress it at all.

            You’re not doing yourself any favors by pretending that the average white is smarter than the average Asian or Ashkenazi Jew. We all need to recognize the facts as the facts and then decide on what we can do to improve ourselves through eugenics.

          • journey

            The data that is suppressed is that the white IQ is the highest on this planet. As noted prior this IQ level is supported by the empirical evidence for the reasons why. The whites therefore should be increasing their rate of reproduction not the reverse as it is their gene pool that pulls this planet forward.

            As for eugenics, this should have been implemented on blacks, Muslins, and Hispanics long ago. Now, the western countries have to deal with their ever increasing problems. The more intelligent races have already limited their population growth as they understand the land man ratio law that must be respected.

          • antiquesunlight

            Look, you don’t make any sense. You can’t just assume that whites have the highest average IQ when all actual IQ data suggests that we don’t. Claiming that scientists are suppressing the truth because their data does not conform to your expectations is very silly. If you have any real evidence of this data altering conspiracy, I’m all ears.

          • journey

            “I’m all ears”, too, if you have any evidence that most of the major innovation/inventions did not come from white brain power = highest IQ/intelligence on this planet. And also refute what I stated earlier regarding the Asians and Jews benefiting from white brain power.

          • antiquesunlight

            Major innovations =/= higher IQ, necessarily. Furthermore, it is a possibility that white IQ has declined over time. The current white IQ =/= past IQ, necessarily. The primary evidence for IQ levels are IQ tests. You have not presented any good reason to reject IQ data.

          • journey

            I have consistently shown you why IQ test data is not to be trusted completely which you persistently have refused to acknowledged. The IQ test data regarding whites does not match the empirical evidence. Do you understand this logic?

          • antiquesunlight

            You’ve only presented one argument for mistrusting IQ test data, and it is not convincing. It is not the least bit surprising that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQs in the world. Every one that I’ve ever met has been well above average in intelligence. There are two that I see semi-regularly; one is a lawyer and another does some kind of complicated math stuff that I don’t even know what it is and that I certainly couldn’t do. Most of the Asians I’ve known have also been at least of average intelligence. I don’t think I’ve ever met a stupid North Asian, though I have met a few who are not by any means brilliant. Of course, the IQ spread here in the states is possibly not as broad as it would be in native North Asian countries, due to immigration self-selection. Nevertheless, the idea that Asians have a high average IQ is not out of step with my personal observations.

          • journey

            Once again, “I’m all ears”, too, if you have any evidence that most of the major innovation/inventions did not come from white brain power = highest IQ/intelligence on this planet. And also refute what I stated earlier regarding the Asians and Jews benefiting from white brain power. Jews only have Israel due to whites.

            If Asians really do have IQ’s higher than whites explain why the Chinese send their children to be educated in this country in such large numbers. And why most Chinese are still living in
            poverty. Some still live in caves!

            Your examples are just antidotal of a few not of the whole population. If the evidence is overwhelming, no other evidence is needed least of all questionable data from “studies” which does not support empirical data. Understand?

            What are the studies you are quoting from?

          • winn sutanto

            I must say that I partially agree and partially disagree with you on East Asian and Ashkenazi Jews regarding their IQ.
            According to very reliable research East Asian on average have slightly higher IQ than white gentiles.
            But you are right, that East Asians are not really inventive nor innovative. They do know how to imitate and duplicate.
            It takes more than high IQ to innovate. It takes boldness and great spirit of adventure and willingness to take a risk.
            Those boldness are very much part of the traits of westerners.
            But that kind of adventurous and bold spirit are largely absent in Japanese/Chinese/South Korean societies.
            East Asian culture is a culture of conformity, and NOT a culture of adventure and boldness

          • winn sutanto

            Regarding Ashkenazi Jews. They are the smartest human being in this world. Israel is a START-UP nation. So many new innovations started on this tiny nation.
            Wasn’t Albert Einstein a German Jew??
            If you use a cellphone, some of the basic technologies used to build a cellphone invented by the very beautiful and very glamorous
            Hedy Lamarr.
            And as we know, Hedy Lamarr was an Ashkenazi Jew.
            And I am puzzled why you do not consider Jewish people white?
            Ashkenazi Jews indeed white.
            In any case, the Great western civilization was created by both Jews and white Christians.
            As I understand history, the large aspects of western culture are based on Judeo-Christian principles.
            Western civilization began in Jerusalem, Athens, and Rome.

          • journey

            I also have read some of those IQ studies. No studies are perfect = quality of the input data determines the output data = the population that was selected and the amount; how the data was interpreted; and the parameters of the research. These IQ studies are still evolving along with the discovery and understanding of the human genome. IQ/intelligence is the essential raw material that must be presented. The white race happened to possess the highest IQ level plus the other needed requirements. The Jews do come close but there is still something missing. So once again, the empirical data supports the conclusion that whites do possess the highest level of IQ/intelligence on this planet. In order for studies to be credibility, it must correlate with the empirical evidence.

          • antiquesunlight

            You are just being illogical. You cannot simply dismiss valid data because you don’t think it harmonizes with history. That is irrational. I agree that it is an interesting problem that whites have been so historically innovative but have lower IQs, but it is not logical to jump to the conclusion that the IQ data is wrong. You must consider that there might be some historical or biological explanations for this phenomenon. If you cannot see this, there’s not much more I can say to you.

          • journey

            answer my questions then we can continue the discussion. One of the questions = What are the studies you are quoting from?

            I can see that you do not much know about research studies. Just to educate you: No studies are perfect = quality of the input data determines the output data = the population that was selected and the amount; how the data was interpreted; and the parameters of the research. IQ studies are still evolving along with the discovery and understanding of the human genome. In other words, take the IQ studies with a grain of salt, instead of gospel.

          • journey

            The highest IQ and intelligence on this planet which is possessed by whites are supported by empirical evidence (types and levels of innovations and inventions both socially and technologically). This
            conclusion is based on deductive reasoning. As for racial IQ data/stats, all can be manipulated and suppressed due to political reasons. This is common human behavior. Just look at the examples of the irrational behavior toward the racial IQ data from Arthur Jensen, William Shockley, and Jason Richwine. So, once again, the most reliable evidence is the actual end products of the inherent racial genetic differences.

            And don’t forget the current anti-white environment western societies have found themselves in. So, for one to say whites
            are superior in IQ/intelligence, it would destroy careers/lives just look at Jason Richwine, Arthur Jensen, James Watson, and William Shockley as some examples. Luckily, Jensen had tenure at the time he published his data. Shockley already received his Nobel Prize. And Watson was at the end of his career. But Richwine was not so lucky.

          • antiquesunlight

            Saying whites have the highest IQs is not any more controversial, and probably less controversial, than saying that blacks have the lowest, as all of them do in fact say.

          • journey

            No, in today’s political time to say whites are superior in intelligence/IQ would be branded as racism/white supremacy. If you are white, would you dare say it at your work place/public places?

          • antiquesunlight

            But IQ data does say that whites have higher IQ levels than blacks (and Hispanics), it just doesn’t say that they have higher IQ levels than every race on the planet.
            You are missing the point. IQ data, which shows blacks to have substantially lower IQ levels than everyone else, has been published by many different researchers over a long period of time. Whatever pressure may or may not be on them, the data is nevertheless published.

      • MBlanc46

        There were middle class blacks before 1965 and they behaved pretty much as you describe. But the great mass of the black population were agricultural laborers and menial workers and they spent as much of their time as they could drinking, fighting, and copulating. As you point out, white society kept their behavior somewhat under control. The difference now is that white control is almost nonexistent and we subsidize the behavior.

        • winn sutanto

          I do not totally disagree with you. Back then probably large number of blacks were agricultural laborers and menial workers.
          But back then in 1940s and 1950s, when whites were the vast majority in the US, even menial workers and laborers could earn a very decent living. Because when whites were still a majority, America was at its most prosperous time.
          Blacks at that time could not possibly do the crimes at the level they are doing now.
          I slightly disagree with you when you said that “white society kept their behaviour SOMEWHAT under control”.
          I believe that the white society kept their behaviour FIRMLY under control.
          Modest amount of control will not keep blacks under control.
          It has to be an iron hand to keep blacks under control

          • winn sutanto

            I am a naturalized US citizen. I was born in Indonesia, but my parents are ethnic Chinese. I love America with all my heart and my soul.
            America is my homeland now. And I will defend her until the last drop of my blood.
            Currently I live in Indonesia, but I shall return to the US 2 years from now.
            When I travel to Malaysia, I notice that the ethnic Malay in Malaysia also take an advantage of some kind of affirmative actions
            They are given the advantages that will not be given to ethnic Chinese or ethnic Indian.
            The ethnic Malays never ever have to pay income tax.
            Chinese and Indian do.
            Malaysian government also want to make sure malay school children and malay businessman get preferential treatment over Chinese or Indian.
            The HUGE differences between Malay in Malaysia and Blacks in the US is the Malay cleverly use these advantages of affirmative action to IMPROVE their life and the life of their family.
            They seldom play a “Victim game”.
            And they never use a victim card.
            And being religious, the Malay strongly oppose violent behaviour.
            So, believe it or not. Affirmative action works beautifully in Malaysia. The Malaysian government will not beat around the bush on declaring that they give preferential treatments to ethnic Malays.
            But the ethnic Malays very very seldom abuse this privilege.

          • winn sutanto

            Blacks in America, on the other hand, wildly abuse all the advantages given to them.
            They perpetually play a victim card.
            They perpetually commit crimes in a huge scale.
            Every time you criticize them, you will be branded racist and bigoted.
            They way I see it is Black people are busy milking out the guilty feelings that White people have.
            And white people tend to forget that they actually do not owe black people anymore.
            White American society, in my opinion, owe black people NOTHING.
            ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
            Please stop feeling guilty.

          • journey

            You take a very common sense approach. If whites were truly in control of their countries, this endless pandering to blacks would have stopped long ago. Who in their sane mind would keep handling out massive welfare, AA, etc. to the detriment of their own children? But you see, in white societies, another group of peoples have insidiously and persistently infiltrated the white institutions
            created by whites and have used them against them. They cleverly have branded these white created institutions by the Founding Fathers, so that democracy can function, as “institutional racism”. Now, the police, the last stance against local anarchy is under attack with the events in Ferguson as the tipping point.

            The blacks have been cleverly used by these peoples to step by step wrestle power from the whites in the control of their nation’s destiny. We are actually living through the decline of Western societies as the whites become the minority in their own countries due to massive infiltration of low IQ third worlders.

          • winn sutanto

            I completely agree with you

          • journey

            I have read of what you wrote about regarding the Malaysians. It says a lot of the IQ level of the native population when special preference has to be given in order for them to compete against non natives. In this country, it is the reverse.

            Generally, the Indians and Chinese succeed in whatever countries they immigrate to.

          • winn sutanto

            That is true

          • winn sutanto

            That is true that ethnic Malay get a leg up from Malaysian government to compete with Chinese and Indians.
            On the surface, that looks unfair.
            And it is unfair.
            Still though, the Malays use this advantage to improve themselves.
            Blacks in America, on the other hands, never bothered to use any opportunities to improve themselves.
            Affirmative action is basically wrong.
            No doubt whatsoever about it.
            But blacks do not even bother to take an advantage of this golden opportunities to improve themselves.
            If blacks do what the malays do to this affirmative action (i.e. to improve themselves), they will come out of this cycle of poverty so long time ago. But the blacks need to start improving themselves since 1965 when the civil right movements just got started.
            Starting that time, blacks have been given unlimited opportunities by US government.
            And they should never get into culture of violence.
            Blacks are minority in America, so if they improve themselves, the amount of public assistance given to them will not be enormous.
            And if they learned to improve themselves since 1965, over the years the need for affirmative actions will be less and less and less.
            Instead over the years blacks become more and more violent.
            They perpetually cry victimhood.
            They continuously play race card.
            They eternally blame white people for all their failures.
            They almost never take a good look at themselves in the mirror.
            Why should white people tolerate this ungodly attitudes.
            This ungodly behaviors should NOT be tolerated nor forgiven by any fair-minded persons of any race.

          • MBlanc46

            There was a great deal of violence and debauchery among blacks throughout their history in the US. Whites often turned a blind eye to it unless it was directed against whites, in which cases is was ruthlessly punished.

  • me

    It’s real. He’s “Gipper”. Google Tosh.0 Gipper. Stupid Negro.

  • JohnEngelman

    The fact that No Child Left Behind left most blacks behind provides fresh and graphically public evidence that assertions made in The Bell Curve are true.

    • LHathaway

      When head start isn’t enough, fund another program giving an advantage to everyone but white children.Then say the system is rife with institutional racism (against people of color).

      • Nonhumans

        That’s Common Core

        • LHathaway

          common core affects all students equally. Head start and no child left behind are mean to target, help, give preferences to certain segments of society.

          • 1stworlder

            Common core math is how math is taught in Haiti. It penalizes Asians and whites by forcing them to go through 100+ steps to do math they are able to do in their heads.

  • Simonetta

    No one is going to honk at some idiot black yoof dancing in the street. They can tell that he is deliberately trying to provoke an incident and they will drive around him. Plus he wasn’t that far into the street before getting hit.
    Ice cream truck operators aren’t the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree. It’s likely that the driver was putting on headphones, changing the CD, looking at iPhone porn, and picking up a popcycle that dropped into his lap when this idiot bootyed-bopped out in front of his truck and the driver didn’t see him. Plus the ice-cream truck has a huge blind-sight in its 45 degree windshield corner.
    This video is definitely real.

    • Magician

      Thanks for the detailed response. I do not see anything in your post I can disagree with

      • Alexandra1973

        My son actually gets a kick out of watching it (he’s on the autism spectrum). He figured out how to go to YouTube and type in “guy hit by ice cream truck.”

        I told him that’s what happens when you dance out in the street.

        • I am probably undiagnosed Asperger, but we aren’t actually “disabled”, per se. The level of focus has stood me in very good stead. I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world.

      • Magician

        IQ 100 and higher : Only crosses the traffic when it is safe to do so

        IQ 90 ~ 99 : Tries to cross the traffic when it is not safe to do so

        IQ 80 ~ 89 : Tries to dance his way across the traffic when it is not safe to do so

        IQ lower than 80 : Tries to dance his way across the traffic backwards when there are tens of cars travelling on the road

  • Fathercoughlin

    Murray could’ve saved himself a lot of work;just tell people to look at this video and the IQ controversy is OVA!!!

  • LHathaway

    “This difference is not the result of test bias, but reflects differences in cognitive functioning”

    The gap is measuring willful ignorance. Citizens who don’t want to learn, and are imprisoned in world where it is good to be bad, cool to be tough, ignorance is rewarded, no boys are protected, and girls pick the loudest, most anti-social boy, at least for fun. The IQ’s of white boys are dropping, too. IQ scores measure intelligence and in a reverse manner they also measure ignorance a racism.

  • IKUredux

    It doesn’t matter any more the truth about anything. An orthodoxy has been established that all races are equal. Excuse me, that’s a given. Now, they are on to re-writing world history to include the dumbest people ever, as having contributed to White Western Civilization. As our numbers dwindle, their roles will increase. Can’t wait to see if the history of the world textbook includes life after Whites are gone. Of course it won’t. These dumb, primitive, superstitious savages, don’t care about history. Hell, they can’t even imagine a future. When Whites are gone, so is civilization. Period. Buh Bye.

    • There won’t be any textbooks in non-white America. Unless the Asians help them it will revert to the stone age in no time.

    • winn sutanto

      I am a non-white American citizen. And I have a tremendous respect to USA.
      As an Asian. ALL my loyalty and patriotism are toward this Great Nation (USA).
      But I must agree with you, if White are gone. So will the Great Western Civilization.
      White people are the founder of western civilization.
      No other race groups can replace whites to maintain Western Civilization.
      No non-white in this world is more westernized than I am.
      I am completely and thoroughly 100% westernized, but I will never dream to call myself a westerner.
      Not because I do not like to be called a westerner.
      I really really really like to be called a westerner.
      But if I call myself a westerner, I will simply disrespect white people the founder of western civilization. And I could never ever do that.

      • IKUredux

        Look, you are not getting any absolution from me. You can call yourself Batman, for all I care. I don’t want ANY Asians in this country. I don’t care if you are a Chinese industrial traitor, or some sort of weird Anglophile. Go back to your roots. Go back to whatever your home country might be. You will be much happier. If your home country does not appeal, then change it. I, like most White people have no interest in moving to your country, whatever it is. I, like most White people, am delighted to be White, and, rejoice in White culture. You, Winn, are fighting your natural proclivities dictated by your DNA. No offense, despite your love for Western Civilization, you are correct: YOU WILL NEVER BE A WESTERNER.

  • journey

    Because of the oppression and suppression of the truth regarding inherent racial
    genetic differences, a whole generation have been feed and raised on untruths
    and half-truths. If you put a critical mass of whites in any environment whether the tropics or like Iceland/Greenland (barren) they will find a way to succeed (build a progressive advanced civilization). Blacks you place them in the easiest of living environment (tropics) their evolution would still be static – extreme primitive conditions relative to whites. Unfortunately, the American Indians were also living in Stone Age conditions when discovered by the whites (still using tools made from flint which was discovered when man first appeared 1 million years ago). These examples point to that racial genetics
    come as is. The environment can enhance superior genes but it cannot change inferior genes to superior ones.

    The current academic and political environments are such in Western countries that truths
    concerning inherent genetic racial differences in ability cannot be discussed freely. This occurred after WWII due to the constant stream of infiltration of certain peoples into institutions at all levels. Prior, the whites had more freedom in their institutions to discuss such matters more freely which resulted in the testing of IQ. And of course, this testing has led to the constant attempts to cover up truths regarding racial differences.

    • Gina Tingles

      Being a bit unfair to American Indians there. The level of technological development depended on the tribe in question. Plains Indians were hunter gatherers, but the did have domesticated animals (dogs first, then horses). Eastern Indians understood and practiced agriculture. Southwest Indians built stone structures. The Meso Americans had sophisticated societies, with stone buildings, temples, agriculture, commerce, and some understanding of astronomy. Some South American tribes understood enough metallrurgy to refine silver and gold. While not to the level of Europe or Asia, these Indians were way ahead of sub-Sahara Africa.

      • journey

        My posting was specific to the North American Indians (the red man). As for Central and South American, those particular achievements you mentioned came from the explorers out of the Middle East – Iraq, cradle of civilization (Aryans). This is evidenced by the ziggurats found in Central and South America. It takes certain level of material and engineering knowledge to build those temples. Machu Picchu was built by them.

        The North American red man for sure was not lacking in courage or integrity but unfortunately he lacked the genes to innovative and invent at the same level as the whites. He fought courageously for his homeland but against superior genes.

        • winn sutanto

          I actually agree with you

      • The more settled Amerinds did things with crops that Europeans did with livestock.

  • journey

    “[C]ontinued long after humans left Africa along different paths in different parts of the
    world”. Incorrect. It has become academia dogma due to the very reasons Murray complains about: “Because the social sciences have been in the grip of a political orthodoxy that has had only the most tenuous connection with empirical reality, and too many social scientists think that threats to the orthodoxy should be suppressed by any means necessary. Corruption is the only word for it.”

    It must have been pretty strong magic for whites/Asians to have evolved from blacks! In actuality, the evolution of man on this planet is much more complex than the out of Africa and humanity from blacks myths. Example: The Sumerians or even the Greeks evolved from blacks with all their advanced knowledge. How believable and delusional is that myth?

    • me

      It’s not. Unless, of course, you don’t use logic when evaluating the current zeitgeist dialogue.

    • Bill Moore

      Hello journey,

      Several years ago, Nature magazine presented DNA evidence that Caucasians originated in the Caucasus region of Europe (what a surprise). By the way, that’s why we’re called “Caucasians”.

      They presented DNA evidence that Caucasians traveled south to Africa, probably due to incursion of the ice sheet moving in from the north, and were probably raped by chimpanzees, and that resulted in the birth of the first “Africans”.

      When the ice sheets retreated, the Caucasians move north again. The Africans stayed behind in Africa.

      The article was quickly suppressed.

      Just My Thoughts,
      Bill Moore

      • ThomasER916

        Whites are not allowed to have a history.

        Whites are not allowed to have a culture.

        Whites are not allowed to have a country.

        Whites are not allowed to have a religion.

        Whites are not allowed to exist.

        Thus are the commandments of the Culture of Critique.

      • none of your business

        The Caucasian mountains theory of where we came from was developed cerca 1800 by linguistics people who realized that the languages of all the White European and Indian people came from the same roots in the Caucasian mountains. It was generally accepted until cerca 1975 when the totally bogus faked Out of Africa theory was cooked up by a feminazi at UC Berkley.
        It’s an old theory and the right one but it was destroyed by the Out of Africa theory.

      • journey

        Hi Bill,

        The article was kind of spot on but not quite. Actually, the unique white gene pool originated in Iraq (cradle of civilization). From there, that superior gene pool fanned out globally spreading their civilization.

        As for the blacks, they migrated from the highlands of India (where the colored races first appeared) to Africa. Being at the bottom of the racial totem pole, they sought the topics (less strenuous environment) while the superiors, the reverse. When the humans first evolved from primates, the differentiation was still close so some humans did regressed and mated with primates which greatly retarded the human gene pool of that particular group.

  • Adolf Verloc

    I re-read “The Bell Curve” recently and was struck with how careful Murray and Herrnstein were to avoid going beyond facts and inferences they could clearly demonstrate. As he says, they were officially agnostic about whether differences in cognitive ability were genetic, but drew strong conclusions that they were familial and changed little with changes in environment, as in twin studies.They were experts in social science and statistics and did not pretend to have genetic expertise they did not have.

    Twenty years down the line, the genetic differences between the races are well understood, and the genetic causes for variations in intelligence are becoming clearer. Murray’s and Herrstein’s work remains a superb example of cautious science taking care not to overdrive its headlights.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    Technology has helped raise awareness tremendously. Everything is caught on camera phones, digital recorders and security cameras, then uploaded to the internet for the whole world to see. It makes it harder and harder for the denialists to deny the differences and call you a liar when the proof is up for everyone to see.

    • benvad

      They’ll always deny the truth to further their agenda.

  • JohnEngelman

    In October 1971 Richard Herrnstein anticipated assertions he later made with Charles Murray in an article in the Atlantic, that was titled “IQ.” One of his assertions was that as time went on intelligent people would climb the social scale, and the rich would become more intelligent.

    About a year ago I read an article in The New York Times I wish I kept. it said that SAT scores of children of the rich were improving dramatically. In other words, Richard Herrnstein had been right in 1971. Brilliant people become rich and have brilliant children.

    • In other words, young, wealthy men and women are intermarrying with the sons and daughters of the the brightest of the middle classes. This has been occurring from the dawn of human civilization, and has only accelerated since the beginning of the Western industrial age.

      • JohnEngelman

        Professor Herrnstein’s argument in 1971 was that as economic inheritance becomes less important, genetic inheritance becomes more important. For that to really work it would need to be the case that all young people attend schools of the same quality, and that no one inherits money from their parents.

        Since he wrote his article a higher percentage of young people attend private schools. This gives the children of the rich an advantage. Moreover, economic growth increasingly goes to capital rather than to labor. This also enables rich people to pass on their wealth to their children, even when the children are not brilliant.

        These factors may be slowing the process he described in 1971.

        The Students for a Democratic Society met at Harvard in the spring of 1972 in an effort to get Professor Herrnstein fired. Fortunately, they failed.

        The fact that SDS tried to get Professor Herrnstein fried from his teaching position at Harvard shocked me at the time. At the time I thought that it was the right that tried to suppress intellectual freedom with their witch hunts, loyalty oaths, and black lists.

        In the early 1960’s the folk song television program Hootenanny refused to feature Pete Seeger because of his affiliation with the American Communist Party. What wee they afraid of? Did they think Pete Seeger would be sending coded messages to the KGB?

    • none of your business

      What about regression to the mean? There are a lot of 125 each pairs of Drs, attorneys MBAs etc but they haven’t produced a significant amount of 140 IQ children..

      • JohnEngelman

        IQ is a crap shoot. Most of the children of intelligent parents are above average, but less intelligent than their parents. Every now and then intelligent parents produce a brilliant child.

        If there is a high degree of social mobility based on intelligence the upper class will become more intelligent over time.

  • Ograf

    I was called a racist and a liar for reading statistics right out of the Dept of Justice website. I couldn’t get these 2 liberal women to even consider the evidence. I guess if the truth is not what they want they will never hear it. However they are convinced I am a bad person. It is so ironic that they stay locked in their ivory towers at night and don’t see the real world, but are quick to condemn one who is trying to teach them the truth.

    • superlloyd

      The three wise monkey syndrome with regard to blacks. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

      Yet, simultaneously, they are very willing to believe in fantastical chimera such as white privilege and the effects of slavery and jim crow to explain black failure, with zero empirical evidence.

      Cognitive dissonance or more probably wilful ignorance.

    • silviosilver

      You shouldn’t think that you are having no effect on these people though. Their outward reactions to you are not necessarily a guide to their innermost thoughts. If there continuously exposed to viewpoints such as yours what can happen is that they eventually allow themselves to accept the truth of what you are saying. That is why we must never relent in our efforts to assail race deniers.

      • Ograf

        Thanks silviosilver you of course are right. Since we speak the truth we must never remain silent regarding racial matters and or social matters.

  • Juggernaut3000

    “On this score, the roof is about to crash in on those who insist on a purely environmental explanation of all sorts of ethnic differences, not just intelligence.”

    Those who deny racial differences in intelligence should be labeled in the same way as those who continue to maintain that the earth is flat or the moon is made out of green cheese: mocked, laughed at, ridiculed and impugned for spreading silly, childish OPINIONS based on emotion and feelings.

    The entire Boas narrative that race is a social construct needs to be disemboweled once and for all and treated with the scathing contempt and mockery it deserves. That goes for anything the charlatan Gould said as well.

    • ThomasER916

      It has been destroyed by the Culture of Critique series. The problem is Whites have allowed and defended the Engelman’s among us while chasing out Kevin MacDonald. This is why Amren has stagnated. It chases away our Elite to appease and empower the genocidal criminal Tribe.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    Communists are the masters of “The Big Lie,” so I cannot believe that the “roof is about to fall in” on race-deniers. The focus of Marxism in the West — the Corrupt Leftist Media — will put on a full-court press to prevent acknowledgement of such a thing.

    The idiot left’s entire House of Cards would begin to collapse if the general public ever suspected that the 15 to 20 I.Q. point advantage enjoyed by whites over blacks “explains” all disparities in income and academic achievement, rather than race discrimination…

    • ThomasER916

      Western Civilization will collapse from mass non-White and Muslim immigration. Our only course would be to expose the Culture of Critique to Muslims and rile them up. Let loose the Jihadi on our Wise Overlords while we gather in the shadows and dust.

      • MBlanc46

        There’s an old saying that “There’s no unbelief in Islam”. To a great extent that’s because voicing unbelief would be hazardous to one’s health. There will be no critical theory in the Muslim world for the same reason.

        • ThomasER916

          I’ve read the Koran and Sahih al-Bukhari. I know what they’re capable of and how they dealt with the Culture of Critique in the past. Time has remained at a standstill. The least we could do is give them more Kosher targets because the Culture of Critique isn’t going to stop blaming Whitey.

    • The roof already did crash in upon them, so now the master deniers are claiming that rain is now just a “social construct”.

      • Earl P. Holt III

        Touche` !

  • EiSkogsNisse

    First, a little background: Why did Dick and I talk about race at all? Not because we thought it was important on its own. In fact, if we lived in a society where people were judged by what they brought to the table as individuals, group differences in IQ would be irrelevant.

    I’ll have to disagree with Charles Murray’s elitism. It does matter if there are group differences in IQ. The average qualities of a group determine its nature and most Negros could not care less about art or science. Even if there were bright Negros who managed to accomplish something meaningful, the rest of them wouldn’t care a bit about trying to preserve it for posterity. That’s why we get to reap the benefits of our ancestors discoveries, they knew how important their discoveries and achievements were to the future. In fact the only reason why there are some “bright” Negros today in the US is because they exist within a White environment. On their own Negros do not display any “bright” tendencies at all. Moreover there’s regression to the mean which means that any half-breed will regress beyond the White mean towards the Negro mean.

    Lastly Charles Murray is being to generous with his interpretation of the available evidence. Rushton and Jensen has done a fine job at showing that the genes/environment impact of IQ is at 80%/20% respectively. So yes the environment matters to a certain extent but genes play the greater role.

  • none of your business

    Blacks with low cognitive ability will not sink as low as the author predicts because of affirmative action. We all know that government jobs at all levels are reserved for low IQ blacks and browns. True they are artificially propped up, but so have many privileged groups throughout history. The book states truths unwelcome to the anti White racist elites, but I don’t see how it will change the anti White agenda of our govt, media and business elites.

  • none of your business

    “A deteriorating quality of life for people at the bottom end of the cognitive distribution”. Reality check, blacks like their quality of life. Black men enjoy prison, 3 hots and a cot, medical care, lots of sex and infinite leisure to lay about blathering and babbling. There is also violence, intrigue, sex, causing trouble, all in all an ideal black life. Life on welfare is just what they like, enough money to live on without working, plenty of opportunities do dispute with the welfare agency, trips about town from one agency to another, appeals, opportunity to make loud complaints which draw attention. That is a major black thing, anything to draw attention to themselves, such as throwing a tantrum at the welfare office.
    Conservative intellectuals are just as ignorant of what blacks really want as liberal intellectuals. Blacks do not want to earn their own living through work. They admire criminals and anyone who lies, cheats and bullies their way through life. They are even proud of, and will defend their children’s destruction of every public school they attend.
    AEI might think stints in prison and life in section 8 on welfare is a bad quality of life but blacks like it and flourish in it.

    • MBlanc46

      There’s an awful lot of truth in what you say. I suspect that most blacks (at least those with the intelligence to make such a generalization) know that this is the case.

  • Erika525

    Myths can survive for millennia and regardless of the evidence. Just look at astrology and many religions. As Nick Wade has argued, faith is probably hard-wired into our DNA. Just look at what passes for reality in the Middle East. Scientists have been refuting religion for centuries with no success. Anyhow, millions make a living off of the idea that blacks and whites are cognitively equal. Its hopeless.

    • MBlanc46

      It might not be hopeless, but I sure wouldn’t bet the ranch (or even a mortgage payment) on it. The elites are firmly committed to nurturism and multiculturalism. It will take more than a few facts to change the reigning narrative.

  • Dagworthy

    I think you need to re-work this sentence: “Retardation used to be defined as starting at around 85. Only 13% of
    whites and 8% of blacks fall below that level, while 1 in 3 blacks does.”

  • Maybe, I don’t want to be around to find out though.

  • mikekingjr

    Excellent question. How could you ever poll that? Whom would you ask? Unfathomable task for a dummy like me.

  • Man of the West

    I was making a distinction between education and training. If a person’s IQ is below 100 they lack the cognitive ability to benefit from an education. I’m sorry if this seems elitist but there is a reason that the vast majority of people who can master college level work have IQs 115 and higher. Training is a different issue. And yes, I’m firmly convinced that there are going to be fewer manual labor jobs in the future. Backhoes work better that 10 guys with shovels. The general trend is for low level, low cognitive skill jobs to be automated. I don’t consider this cynical, just realistic.

  • MBlanc46

    You’re right, there still is great need for menial labor. It seems, in fact, that there will soon be only finance, IT, and menial labor. But blacks have other psychological deficits than low IQ. They’re also deficient in future-time thinking and impulse control. That tends to make them poor employees. It’s no surprise that the employer class overwhelmingly prefers Mexicans to blacks.

  • silviosilver

    It’s far less important that blacks accept it than that whites accept it. If whites accept it but blacks don’t so what?