Latrines May Not Improve Health of Poor Children

New York Times, October 27, 2014

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Researchers supported by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the International Initiative for Impact Evaluation and the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine picked 100 villages in the Odisha state of India with a total of 51,000 inhabitants and built large numbers of latrines in half of them. They focused on reaching households with young children.

After more than two years, they found that the health of children in the villages with latrines had not improved. Diarrhea rates were virtually the same. So was the prevalence of parasitic worms that can cause stunting and mental impairment. Children in villages with latrines had not grown faster than children in those without, nor had they even gained more weight.

The authors, whose work was published by The Lancet this month, could not fully explain the failure of latrine building to do more good. Some households did not use the latrines consistently, they said–compliance was particularly bad among men and children. Many users who had to clean themselves with their hands did not wash their hands with soap afterward. And animal feces lying around may have caused problems.

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  • MekongDelta69

    Results don’t matter to leftists.
    As long as Gates feels ‘morally superior‘ to the hoi-polloi.

    • Strider73

      In addition to feeling “morally superior,” Gates gets himself a nice tax write-off — which is likely the real purpose.

    • 1stworlder

      They might have needed to teach people how to use the latrines, there are some 3rd worlders that don’t know how to use a toilet, much less washing hands afterward.

  • What, microcredits didn’t save the third world?

    Just to be clear, this is referring to latrines, not black women named Latrina. And there are.

    • SlizzardAjeosshi

      Please tell me you’re jesting

      • No I’m not. Shitavious is a real one, too.

        • SlizzardAjeosshi

          Lord Almighty is there a limit somewhere at some distant far away bottom to their depravity and sheer idiocy ?

          • Kenner

            A middle-class, portly, black gal came into work one day. Her first name? -‘Rotunda’.
            I rechecked the spelling, and yep, Rotunda.

          • journey

            Liked the sound but had no idea the meaning. This is common. There is a story where the black mother like the sound of a word and named her child as such. Except the word meant a female sexual part.

          • newscomments70

            That is common; it was even an SNL skit.

          • journey

            Really? How funny. The story was originally about a New Orleans woman who had just given birth.

          • 1stworlder

            I guess the parents knew what she would be like.

          • Kenner

            They played the odds.

        • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

          There are a couple pages of these names in the new Face to Face with Race book from Amren. One of my favorites is “La,poo” (yes, with a comma).

      • Sue

        He isn’t. It’s very real.

        • Who Me?

          And don’t forget good ol’ Lay-MON-jay-lo spelled LemonJello–Not kidding.

          • Sue

            Thanks! I AM learning.

  • Oil Can Harry

    Gates cares deeply about India. That’s one of the top countries where he and Silicon Valley want to outsource our jobs to.

    • B.A_2014

      I cannot wait for his beheading video on YouTube… and it won’t be ISIS doing the honours.

  • Kenner

    Aim matters.

    • Robert Binion

      There may be gender privilege here. We men can hit it when we want but sometimes don’t give a darn.

    • me

      I bet you a sani-wipe that these Indians were using the latrines for bathing. Did the wonderful wizard of nothing, Monopoly Gates, show these naïve Third Worlders what the latrines were, what to use them for, and how to use them?

  • dd121

    Hygiene is not the goal. The point of liberals doing being altruistic is to feel good about themselves.

    • journey

      Have to give Gates and his wife some credit. They did try to push for population control.

      • Lisa

        Actually, I just found out that his father was head of Planned Parenthood. And now they’re finding that his donation of polio vaccines in the third world is paralyzing children. Coincidence?

  • OS-Q

    Not washing their hands made latrines pointless basically. It probably doesn’t help that the traditional way of eating food in India is with your hands – maybe Gates could donate his silverware.

  • Anglo

    Bill Gates needs to live among the impoverished in India so that he will know what is needed and how to help them, but he’s not about to do that as he plays that great humanitarian.

  • SlizzardAjeosshi

    India is a pathetic mess of a country, the most backward rural areas of inner China look like Switzerland in comparison

    (I’ve been to Sichuan and Gansu, 2 poor provinces, for work: neither is a place where i would want to live, but it’s still acceptably civilized and there’s a palpable sense of progress, India imho will never go anywhere)

    • Kenner

      Indians lack the Chinese knack for order and organization.

      • SlizzardAjeosshi

        Yep and despite their totally fake peacenik image, they are also a pretty violent lot

      • journey

        Not the higher IQ Indians. Like the Chinese, they succeeded wherever they go. I remember reading about the Indian merchants in Africa taking inventory of their merchandise, which the absolutely could not relate to.

        • Kenner

          Many stores have fled neighborhoods because of blacks ‘taking inventory’.

          • journey

            Like here. Free shopping spree.

        • John Ambrose

          These Indians represent the crème de la crème, they’re not the great unwashed masses.

        • B.A_2014

          How many high IQ Indians are there?

          Not many.

          • journey

            Enough that they are able to develop the nuclear bomb. And after speaking with an Indian, Indians at the top are doing quite well. While our younger generation is suffering for lack of opportunities.

          • Dr. Chandrasekhar did much of the early work on the physics involved in black holes.

        • 1stworlder

          They took in too many black slaves and the gene pool got dirty.

          • journey

            Actually, the blacks originated there then migrated to Africa.

          • Kenner

            No, the original population of India were the very dark-skinned Dravidians. They still dominate in the south.

          • journey

            Actually, the Dravidians were descendants of the first wave of Aryans and the native stock. They did build advanced civilizations primarily along the Indus, Ganges, and the Deccan. They were of the earliest to build cities and to engage in export and import business. Perhaps, they were dark-skinned as the second wave of Aryans did not recognize them as related to them.

          • Who Me?

            When I was quite small my grandmother used to take me to church with her. There was a teen-aged Indian girl (18 or 19) who also attended. This girl had the blackest skin I ever saw on a human being, and long, straight blue-black hair. She also had brilliant, bright blue eyes–very striking looking.

          • They are not negroes. Dravidians are probably related to Australian Aborigines.

          • Paul

            If they are, then the capacity for building advanced civilizations has long since departed.

      • 1stworlder

        the top caste of india is like the worse of china.

    • John Ambrose

      That’s what you can expect when comparing a country like India where the average IQ is probably somewhere in the low 80s with China where it’s roughly 20 points higher.

      Basically India has “a small subsection of Ashkenazi Jewish-like Brahmins with very high IQ’s; and a huge mass of peasants with genetic IQ ceilings somewhere in between those of Europeans and Negroids.” Moreover, “the average IQ of Indian immigrants to the US is an Ashkenazi Jewish-like 112” which therefore causes many Americans to wrongly assume that most Indians are brainiacks. – Taken From ‘The Puzzle Of Indian IQ: A Country Of Gypsies And Jews’

      • journey

        The high IQ came from the Aryan invasions which occurred twice over a period of time. The second wave tried to installed the caste system to prevent breeding with inferiors and tried to eliminate most of the inferiors by pushing them further south. The blacks were pushed into the southern part of China and else where.

        The British centuries later used some of the bricks made by the Aryans for their railroads. The quality and workmanship were of such high quality.

        • Nomad

          Well that’s only partly correct. India has a good chunk of East-Asians mixed in as well. There were waves of huns (Mongols) into India. Do you have a reference for your statement about the bricks? I do know that ancient India had quite some contribution towards metallurgy so it doesn’t come as a surprise to me.

          • journey

            Here are some links concerning the bricks and the
            advanced civilization found there:

            Harappa – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harappa

            Indus Valley Civilization – Wikipedia, the free
            encyclopedia
            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization

            India was a melting pot of many races in its ancient past. It was in the highlands of India some 500,000 years ago that the six colored races appeared. It was in Asia that the yellow race defeated the red man who consequently migrated to North American some 100,000 years ago.

            The early humans (humans appeared 1 million years ago) along with the Neanderthalers are also part of the gene pool of India. The Neanderthalers actually appeared in India some 850,000 years ago. They are descendants of the early humans and of humans who had mated with primates. Since the differentiation between human and primate was still recent, humans could still mate with primates which caused great regression of the human gene pool in certain areas. The Neanderthals later migrated to Europe to interbreed with the blue race. The blue race had earlier migrated from India.

            Perhaps, you know of this, in the Siwalik Hills of northern India may be found fossils that approach nearer to transition between human and prehuman.

          • journey

            I posted the links as part of a long response to you. It was deleted. But it is easy to find. Just Google, ancient bricks India used by British railroad.

          • Nomad_x

            Thanks for the links.

          • journey

            Hey, just noticed the posting got posted! Guess the links were okay.

            Thanks, Moderator!

      • Nomad

        I am one such. I am not sure if the comparison with Jews in the above statement is metaphoric but I was surprised to find out from my DNA test that my Y-DNA is similar to Ashkenazis and some southern Euros although nearly a tenth of me is northern-euro as well.

    • Whitetrashgang

      India is the most mixed race country in the world, mystery meat all over the place. Green eggs and ham, sam I am.

      • Nomad

        LOL but true. There in lies the riddle of intelligent people from a land teeming with ignorant people.

    • journey

      Gansu was an area once settled by Aryans from the Middle East. There are Chinese paintings of yellow haired people.

    • Lygeia

      India is an acronym for travelers that means:

      “I Will Never Do It Again (INDIA).”

  • Even the article says that the Curry-tards don’t use them.

  • ncpride

    I hope spends…er…wastes millions and millions more on his pet minorities.

  • WR_the_realist

    India has nuclear weapons and launches its own satellites. Shouldn’t the Indians be the ones installing their own outhouses, toilets, and sewer systems?

    • journey

      The country is too corrupt and too large of a low IQ population to effectively govern. India needs to seriously implement population control especially at the lower end. They breed then toss away.

      • Kenner

        They’ve tried, but ethnic and religious rivals in demographic competition resist it, and impoverished parents have only their offspring to care for them in old age.

        • journey

          They need to try harder. Although, it’s easy for us to talk. There are still residual Aryans of long ago caught in that hell hole. Once in awhile, the media will present pictures of them (light haired and fair skin).

          • Kenner

            Those Aryans have all resurfaced in Bollywood.

          • journey

            No. I am actually holding a picture from a 7/13/2010 WSJ article showing an Aryan mother holding her child in Lahore (Pakistan). India and Pakistan were at one time the same country until the British came along.

          • IstvanIN

            Actually the subcontinent was a bunch of little kingdoms and principalities.

          • IstvanIN

            Actually the subcontinent was a bunch of little kingdoms and principalities.

        • IstvanIN

          They need a government like China to put a stop on the unbridled population growth.

    • Nomad

      The current Prime Minister of India, a nationalist and a very effective leader, had just a week or so ago undertaken a huge nation-wide cleanliness drive. While such high visibility events are undertaken by most politicians this PM has an impressive track record of accomplishing goals.

      Part of this drive is to install toilets on a massive scale among poorer communities. Like ‘journey’ and ‘John amrbose’ mentioned already on this forum India is a very challenging place with a small high IQ layer and a massive low IQ layer.

      Mastering space (or any) technologies will provide commercial opportunities (already launched a few satellites for other countries) which can earn precious capital to invest in social programs. India is a massive welfare state as such.

    • Whitetrashgang

      So a nuclear power toilet is in our future?

    • 1stworlder

      Only the top/smallest caste has any IQ. The rest of the nation is why india has more cell phones than toilets

  • none of your business

    I have to laugh. What is it; 8,000 years of soooo superior to us White European’s civilization and they are too dumb to dig a hole and cover it up when it gets full? And these are the people with whom Gates wants to replace American White male computer programmers. His stock is worthless unless you sell it too.

    • journey

      India actually has a wide IQ range. The Aryans invasions brought the IQ level to a high level with blacks (as usual) at the lowest. India has numerous different racial groups since the colored races appeared there originally.

      The Aryan IQ’s have been suppressed due to inter-breeding with inferiors but a residual still exists which explains their ability to possess nuclear weapons.

    • MannyR

      Yes just like those high IQed Asians that everyone keeps saying are the next superpower. Strangely enough they weren’t generating any wealth until we started outsourcing every f_cking job white Americans in this country used to do. Their also so intelligent they believe eating animal penises will increase the size of their own genitals and that dog is a supremely tasty dish. Disgusting people.

      • mikekingjr

        I guess I should no longer consume animal penises if they REALLY don’t help enlarge my own. Darn it!

  • journey

    The Gates Foundation earlier had stressed population control but some misguided fools started hollering. So for now, they are using a “softer” approach.
    As for the latrines, evolution has yet to reach that level.

  • Luca

    Maybe instead of training all those MBA’s to answer the Help Desk at Hewlett Packard, India could divert a few of them out to the boondocks to teach their people about the marvels of toilet paper, soap and water.

    • Nomad

      Reality is a lot harsher than you can imagine, seriously. I am an Indian myself from one of those ‘Aryan’ groups. I wondered all through my teens why India looked so backward and untidy compared to many other countries in the world. Contrary to what many here might think a lot of money/time has been invested in educating masses, building toilets etc. It’s an ongoing activity. Results are slow to come given the scale of low-IQ masses. 25% (I suspect more) of the population are officially ‘tribals’. That’s 300 million!

      Also quite a few from my generation donate time/money to help out these tribals/poor but scales are simply staggering.

      • journey

        Without imposing mandatory birth control, your country is just chasing after the problems. Besides, the upside would be tremendous.

        • Nomad_x

          True. And it was attempted back in the 70s I think by Mrs. Indira Nehru the first Brahmin female PM of India. There was severe backlash from lower castes with allegations of silent genocide. So yeah, that’s a pipe dream some of us harbor.

          • cherrie greenbaum123

            Same with the negroes here in the states as well as in Africa. Just suggest mandatory birth control to eliminate all the unnecessary starvation, filth, and poverty, and suddenly you get the, “You be hatin’ on my people!”

      • B.A_2014

        You should warn your generation about the consequences of facilitating the inferior.

        • Nomad_x

          Well when you co-habit the same physical/political space there really is no escape. Helping ‘them’ in a twisted way is a way of helping yourself.

  • TL2014

    You can bring the horse to the water…

    • mikekingjr

      …but you can’t make him bathe in it.

  • Alexandra1973

    My mother let me borrow her book “The Time Traveler’s Guide to Medieval England.” I read about “gongfermors,” who cleaned out latrines at night.

    Maybe that’s what these guys need…if it’ll help….

    • Nomad_x

      Actually they exist. They are called ‘Dalits’. This is the ugly underbelly of caste system. Ugly because they were relegated to cleaning latrines with no means to move up socially/economically. There is a movement of some intensity to replace all ‘dry’ latrines with western ones primarily to relieve these people.

  • Magician

    This is a guy who donated $1B to the United Negro College Fund in 1999

    apnewsarchive[dot]com/1999/Gates-To-Donate-$1B-for-Minorities/id-b3074d01bbb931d10281b2815aa29610

    “Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates pledged Thursday to donate $1 billion for college scholarships for minority students, saying he wants to change the face of American leadership _ including that of his own company.

    The “Gates Millennium Scholars Program,” supported by the world’s richest man _ a Harvard dropout _ and his wife, Melinda, will provide 1,000 scholarships a year for 20 years to Asian-American, black, Hispanic and American Indian students.”

    And your wish came true! the current CEO of Microsoft is an Indian guy and the chairman is an African American guy. By the way, Microsoft is becoming irrelevant day by day

    • Alexandra1973

      Where do I sign up?

      Just joking…I’d like to think I earned a scholarship based on my abilities…not a tiny part of my ancestry!

  • mikekingjr

    Appetizing research.

  • Lygeia

    These people haven’t been taught that they must wash their hands after urinating or defecating, so they spread disease.

  • Paul

    Last I knew latrines didn’t stop diarrhoea, they just gave you somewhere to put it….which would be a novelty for most Indians.

  • StillModerated

    The money will be used to buy TV ads so they can show the clip “Take The Poo To The Loo.” It’s on YouTube. These jokes write themselves

  • Demo P. Seal; PouponMarks

    These are a perfect group and class of people to emigrate in large numbers. This will enrich us as a nation, culturally, politically, and spiritually. Pope Francyst certainly endorses this move.

    Poopdeville.