Link Found in Genetic Connection Between Modern Europeans and Native Americans

Ellie Zolfagharifard, Daily Mail (London), September 17, 2014

It has long been believed that modern Europeans descended from indigenous hunters and Middle Eastern farmers.

But a new study suggests all Europeans today have DNA from a third mystery group: Ancient North Eurasians.

This group appears to have contributed DNA to present-day Europeans, as well as to the people who traveled across the Bering Strait into the Americas more than 15,000 years ago.

The study is based on analysis of ancient DNA which has shifted scientists’ ideas of how groups of people migrated across the globe thousands of years ago.

It also revealed that ancient Middle Eastern farmers and their European descendants can trace much of their ancestry to a previously unknown, even older lineage called the Basal Eurasians.

‘Prior to this paper, the models we had for European ancestry were two-way mixtures. We show that there are three groups,’ said David Reich, professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School.

‘This also explains the recently discovered genetic connection between Europeans and Native Americans,’ Professor Reich added.

‘The same Ancient North Eurasian group contributed to both of them.’

Europeans

By comparing nine ancient genomes to those of modern humans, researchers have shown that previously unrecognised groups contributed to the genetic mix in Europe.

‘There are at least three major, highly differentiated populations that have contributed substantial amounts of ancestry to almost everybody that has European ancestry today,’ said Professor Reich.

Northern Europeans have more indigenous hunter DNA, while southern Europeans have more DNA from the Middle East. All Europeans also have DNA from Northern Eurasians.

The new group arrived in Europe sometime after the introduction of agriculture, which means the major movements of people into Europe was later than previously thought.

‘That was a crazy observation, but it’s very strong statistically,’ Professor Reich says.

‘We argued that this is because of the contribution of an ancient north Eurasian population some of whose members contributed to the peopling of the Americas more than 15,000 years ago, and others of which later migrated to Europe.’

To confirm this theory, scientists collected genetic data from nine ancient skeletons and 203 present-day populations living all over the world.

They then isolated human DNA and sequenced the complete genomes from the bones of a 7,000-year-old skeleton found in Germany, as well as eight skeletons of hunter-gatherers who lived in Luxembourg and Sweden approximately 8,000 years ago.

They compared those genomes to those of the 2,345 people in their contemporary populations.

‘Figuring out how these populations are related is extremely hard,’ Professor Reich said.

‘There’s a lot that happened in Europe in the last 8,000 years, and this history acts like a veil, making it difficult to discern what happened at the beginning of this period.

‘We had to find statistics that were able to tell us what happened deep in the past without getting confused by 8,000 years of intervening history, when massive and important events occurred.’

Professor Reich claimed they’ve found unambiguous evidence that people in Europe today have all three of these ancestries.

This means every modern day European has DNA from early European farmers who brought agriculture to Europe, the indigenous hunter-gatherers who were in Europe prior to 8,000 years ago, and these ancient north Eurasians.

When the study began, the ancient north Eurasian population was a ‘ghost population’–identified based on genetic patterns without any ancient DNA.

But last year, another group analysed DNA from two skeletons found in Siberia, one from 24,000 years ago and one from 17,000 years ago, and found that it shared genetic similarities with Europeans and North Americans.

Although DNA from ancient north Eurasians is present in nearly all modern Europeans, Professor Reich’s team did not find it in their ancient hunter-gatherers or the ancient farmers.

That means the north Eurasian line of ancestry was introduced into Europe after agriculture had been established, a scenario most archaeologists had thought unlikely.

‘We have this amazing observation that only two ancestries are represented among the first farmers, from about 7,000 to 5,000 years ago,’ Professor Reich continued.

‘And then suddenly everybody today has ancient north Eurasian ancestry. So there must have been a later movement of this ancestry into Europe.’

The time of the ancient north Eurasians’ arrival remains to be determined, but Professor Reich said their later-than-expected movement into Europe might help explain the complex mix of languages that exists there today.

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  • LHathaway

    They used the term ‘Indigenous Europeans’ even placing the term on the map. Call the hate police. I suppose they have balanced it out by calling us ‘hunter-gatherers’. Where would we be but for political correctness? Also on the plus side, now that NAmericans are officially white, no one, anywhere, will care about their past mistreatment.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      There claimed UNDESERVED “mis” – treatment.

  • Stiv44

    Is this why some American Indians have somewhat caucasian facial features, on occasion?

    • Sharps Rifle

      I’ve noticed that for years. There are some who are enrolled in a tribe and have fairly recent European ancestry, but most tribes won’t enroll unless someone is greater than 1/4 of that blood, regardless of whether someone is all Indian or not (example: The Navajo won’t enroll someone who is 3/4 Zuni and 1/4 Navajo, but Zuni Pueblo will). There are some people who will insist that this study is meaningless…but as the weight of evidence accrues (DNA, archaeological, etc.) it will have to be accepted that American Indians are a distinct ethnic group with two sources of origin, and unique to the Americas.

    • The Worlds Scapegoat

      East Coast Indians (feather) are from Europe. West Coast Indians are from Asia. This has been know for a long time, but covered up fr obvious reasons. It is unknown who first stepped foot on American soil. If you only consider Alaska or the Aleutian Islands, it was probably the Asians that first stepped foot on the American Continent. The earliest proof of man on this continent is the Clovis arrowhead. It shows similarities with European hunters and not Asian hunters.

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      • Michael Mason

        I can’t agree with your claim about east coast Indians. They have Asiatic DNA and there is little genetic variation between some east coast and some west coast tribes.

        • Bossman

          Genetic testing has confirmed that all the natives of the Americas are of the same race and are closely related.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Reading your posts leads me to believe that you are related to the Indians of South America. The Cherokee and the Aztecs were like night and day when they were discovered by Europeans.

          • Bossman

            Not true at all. The Aztecs and the Incas are the two tribes that achieved the highest degree of civilization in the Americas. Of course, compared to Europeans, they were still savages who practiced human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            If they practiced cannibalism, they were not more civilized than the Cherokee or Iroquois Five Nations, the Seminole, or Choctaw. At least you are admitting the ugly truth about the violent, sociopathic nature of the South American Indians. The descendants of these cannibals haven’t had a problem making formerly safe and clean Chicago neighborhoods quite scary.

      • Waterfall

        There is no evidence to suggest that Native Americans of the east coast are from Europe and overwhelming evidence to contradict it. If the arrowhead of a single Indian culture (that coincidentally did not live on the east coast, but in the southwest) is proof that they were European, then central American pyramids are proof that they were also influenced by the Egyptians, and the teepee is evidence that they had contact with the Scythians as well. Genetic and linguistic studies clearly show that all indigenous Americans were descended from northeast Asian settlers.

        • Bossman

          I’m in general agreement with most of what you say. I read in one book that if pyramids can be found in Egypt and in Central America, it is because both groups had a common origin in Central Asia, one group traveled East and the other group travel West.

          • Waterfall

            I’m glad we can finally agree on something.

        • The Worlds Scapegoat

          The Central American pyramids are almost exactly like the ones in Angkor Cambodia. The natural ocean currant flows from around Cambodia/Vietnam to Nicaragua. It doesn’t take a genius to see that that some group could have taken a boat from Cambodia/Vietnam to Central America.
          The Cambodian culture came from India. The word Cambodia is some derivative of an Indian word, as is Khmer. The people that built Angkor were most likely not the Asian/Cambodians that are there now. They Asian Cambodians believed evil spirits built the temples in Angkor, and not their own people. The original builders of the American Pyramids was the Olmec who bare a resembelance to Hawaiians, and not the Mayans who ruled the area later. Hawaii is almost in line between Vietnam and Nicaragua. Buddhism was also sarted in India and moved to East Asia.
          There is evidence that the original Egyptians who built the pyramids were closer to being white than what is inhabiting Egypt today. There are stories in India about the white people who came to India to build and create a civilization. It is most likely these people had some link to the original Egyptians.
          The oldest Pyramids on earth/Egypt were built around 2600 B.C.E. It is not hard to imagine that a group of people with knowledge to build pyramids migrated from Egypt to India and then to Cambodia in 1500 to 2000 years from the construction of the first pyramids.
          Just because an article is on Amren doesn’t mean it is correct. Europeans came here a long time ago and were killed off just like what happened in the last 200 years. Taking a DNA sample of negros in Oakland today doesn’t mean Africans came to the US first.

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          • Waterfall

            This forum is wearing me out

            – The Angkor temples began to be built around 900 AD – 1200 years after they appear in the New World. They are all Buddhist monuments.

            – Many cultures of antiquity built pyramids; they’re a relatively simple way of making a large, stable structure. They’re found in China, Greece, ancient Nubia, and the Near East, as well as Egypt and central America.

            – Amerindians are about as related to Polynesians as they are to Sub-Saharan Africans. There is no evidence that Polynesians established civilizations in the Americas.

            – The White people that came to India were Aryans. Indians themselves are descended from Aryans.

            – Ziggurats (a pyramid-like structure) were built in Mesoptamia a few centuries before the earliest pyramids are found in Egypt.

            – Yes, it is hard to imagine, given that there is no genetic, linguistic, archaeological, or even anecdotal evidence to support such a claim. If I were to assume that an ancient people descended from the Egyptians came here and enlightened the natives, what’s to stop me from believing that Israelites also came to the New World and established a society here or that Jesus of Nazareth preached to the Native Americans after he was killed in Israel (as the Latter-Day Saints believe)? I could even claim that the Egyptians learned how to build pyramids from space aliens. No one can disprove it. No, we don’t know everything, and we never will. It’s much more beneficial to work with what facts one does know, rather than making assumptions and looking for facts to support those assumptions.

          • Cid Campeador

            Waterfall,
            Gadzooks! I’m starting to agree with you.

            If Jesus is the Messiah then why is it so hard to believe that he visited ( then to mortals) unknown other parts of the earth to preach his gospel?

          • Waterfall

            I apologize, I was getting exasperated.

            The banner on this site quotes Thomas Jefferson as saying, “There is not a truth existing which I fear or would wish unknown to the whole world.” How does knowledge help us if we don’t use it? Ignoring logic never helps anyone.

            There may or may not have been people in the Americas other than the natives. I just don’t expect someone to find Israelite bones in El Salvador anytime soon… but, hey, “‘With God, all things are possible,'” right? – Mt. 19:26

          • journey

            The peoples who you speak of building advanced civilizations globally originated from the Middle East (Iraq – cradle of civilization) now known as Aryans. They are of the same gene pool as the ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Aryans in India, Incas, Mayans, the Minoans, etc. This is the reason why there is such similarity in architecture. Yes, Angkor Wat was built by them.

            And they carried the genetic seeds after the collapse of the Roman Empire to develop the Western advanced civilizations that we see today. Now, the destiny of this country is in danger due to the very foolish demographic shift of whites becoming the minority.

            The migrations from the Middle East occurred in waves. As noted by you, the migrations also occurred from where they eventually settled to seeded other areas of civilization.

        • Fr. John+

          That’s right. Deny the Solutrean Hypothesis all you want, and ignore the fact that the male DNA line was wiped out in Eastern Amerindians of that ‘European DNA’ whereas the further west you go the Asiatic paternal line is quite evident. The reason? The Indigenous Whites of Solutrea, (and the Vikings- all the way to the Kensington Runestone in MN!) were murdered en masse by the Asiatics, and their women taken as ‘booty.’ “Ways that are Dark”, indeed!

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Eastern U. S. Indians are racially Caucasian? That makes some sense. That would explain the advanced civilizations of the Cherokee, and the five nations of Iroqouis when the Europeans discovered them. Are the South American Indians of an original Asiatic racial stock then? To me, the South American Indians and the Western U. S. Indians certainly look and behave as if they are a distinct race, while many of the Eastern U. S. Tribes seem as if they could be from a Caucasian racial stock. Thomas Jefferson felt that the Native Americans of the East could live amongst Europeans, but that Negroes could not live amongst us, and are clearly our inferiors.

    • journey

      Interbreeding with whites when the whites migrated here.

      • John R

        False. That is what they THOUGHT. But since, it has been established that this DNA similarity occurred long before the European discovery of the Americas.

        • journey

          The Caucasoid like features (DNA) originated from the Middle East (the cradle of civilization to be exact). The American Indians after crossing the Bering Strait some 85,000 years ago were isolated
          after it sank. They had no other contact with the external world except some encounters with Eskimos and then much later to be discovered by whites.

          If what you are saying is correct, then this DNA should also be found in Asians as well since the American Indians migrated from Asia. Especially, since Caucasoid mummeries (the Tocharians) were found in the Tarim Basin (modern Xinjiang, China).

    • Waterfall

      Actually, it would be why some Europeans have Asian-esque features.

      • journey

        The Mongols invaded parts of Europe and left their genome behind in answer to your posting. Also, the Eskimos were the first peoples in Europe for over 500,000 years until the colored races appeared. Also, Google: Laps/Sami those peoples lived in teepees just like the Northern Indians (amazing) so are they of the red race that stayed behind while migrating to the Americas? And some look very white due to interbreeding with whites.

        Human characteristics whether physical or intelligence is inherent, e.g., cannot be altered or influenced by external factors like environmental. But human traits can be altered by racial interbreeding. This country has spent
        trillions in trying to raise the black IQ/intelligence by external factors – the old nature vs nurture debate. We are still wasting trillions, even more so, with a new class, the ever increasing Hispanics

        • Waterfall

          – The Mongols invaded Europe well after the interbreeding discussed in this article occurred.

          – The Eskimos are descendants of the same people who inhabit the rest of the Americas, and they certainly weren’t there 500,000 years ago.

          – The Sami are a northern European peoples that have no relation whatsoever to American Indians.

          – Living in tent-like structures was very common in many nomadic cultures across the globe.

          – Yes, that interbreeding occurred during the colonial era. Their progeny were referred to as the mestizos.

          – There is a degree to which human traits are influenced by external factors; however, it is correct to say that much of it is simply genetic.

          • journey

            This country does not call Hispanics “mestizos”. That is a caste denotation derived from the Spaniards. This country is now using the
            word Hispanics in racial terms as their racial population ever increases. Go look at the health care studies.

            As for the rest of your posting, those are your conclusions, believe whatever you want.

          • Waterfall

            Thank God for the Electoral College.

          • journey

            What do you mean? You truly believe the Electoral College is any better? It is even worse. So go check your information again.

          • journey

            The Electoral College takes the ballot destiny out of the common man hands. Either way this country is finished when the whites become the minority which is projected by 2060. So think again before you hurl out veil insults.

    • Rurik

      How does Princess Fauxcahontas relat to this?

    • John R

      Thank you. And no wonder Hollywood had no trouble using White actors to play Indians. They are really not that much different from us, in contrast to Negroes, which are definitely different. And note that this study doesn’t even mention black African DNA in Europeans. They are definitely DIFFERENT from us, barely even the same species, I suspect.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        That was what Thomas Jefferson said. The Indians he encountered could live peacefully amongst Whites, he felt, and are compatible with us. As far as Negroes, he felt that they are not compatible with Whites, and would need to be segregated, or sent back to Africa. He was forthright in asserting his belief that Negroes are clearly our inferiors.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      And some Caucasians, if you look closely enough, have some Indian features, like Crystal Gayle.

      • Stiv44

        Her features aren’t what is so Indian. She is dark-haired and dark-skinned. Since her family is probably Celtic she got that from the tendency of some Celts, of the modern era, to have darker skin tones and hair.

        Spanish or Roman influence? I don’t know.

        • Mary

          She is reportedly of Scots-Irish and Native American ancestry. So that slightly darker appearance could come from either or a combination of both.

          • Bossman

            Even Brittney Spears is claiming to have some Native American ancestry and I don’t see any reason to disbelieve her.

          • Mary

            Some Americans have it; many don’t. Many believe they have some until DNA tests indicate otherwise. Since it is largely found in very small amounts (less than 5%) where it exists in Whites’ DNA, its presence is largely irrelevant in practical terms for America today.
            Nothing to be ashamed of and nothing to celebrate.

          • Bossman

            I agree with that. What that says to me is that so-called Hispanics can be racially assimilated into white Anglo culture.

          • Mary

            To a point, but there is a numbers problem. There won’t be another infusion of millions of Europeans into America, and Whites don’t seem to want to reproduce very much. There is a big difference between a largely White population with a small Native admixture, and a mostly Native population with some White admixture.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I think not. Europeans found a highly civilized tribe in the Cherokee, a far cry from the barbarism found amongst the Aztecs. The South American Indians are, at the very least, distant racial cousins of the Eastern Indian tribes, I suspect, as the radical cultural differences between them reflect.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            The Scots-Irish in the Southern mountains did quite a bit of breeding with the Cherokee in particular. They surely did not do the same with Negroes.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      Maybe, but even more is the recent confirmation of the Soultrean Hypothesis. Get a copy of the book, “Across Atlantic Ice.” It shows how the Clovis culture in North America came from Europe BEFORE the Bering migration and that they were wiped out or absorbed into the later arrivals.

  • This study seems to support the multiculturalist agenda. If Euro man is already a mixed race, including Middle Eastern, then why would whites in Europe want resist the importation of their cousins, the Muslims. That’s a great argument for the multicult to use.

    Related to that, it’s easy to see the Asian features in many of the Eastern European porn models featured on the Internet. In fact, some of the Eastern Euro women are deliberately misidentified as “Latina” by the pornographers. I assume that these modern Euro females have a larger percent of Asian DNA, which creates the “chinese eyes” look, along with the black hair, brown eye color, and darker skin pigmentation.

    • Mack0

      It also allows us to say we already new about multiculturalism before it was cool.

    • journey

      The Arabs are a mixture of the blue and yellow races. There were originally 9 distinct races at one time on this planet.
      And the Mongols invaded Europe leaving much of their genome behind.

      • DaveMed

        Blue?

        • Waterfall

          He has his own form of anthropology.

          • journey

            The kind that is still being discovered as shown by this article.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            So it seems. My eyes and perceptions tell me that Caucasoid mixes strongly with West Asian in Asia Minor, Armenia, Georgia, Russia/Ukraine, whereas Greeks, Slovaks, Poles, Serbians, and Croatians have little to no West Asian lineage. Hungarians also look and behave as if there is a strong dose of West Asian.

        • dmxinc

          Think “Avatar”

          • journey

            And some of the ancient paintings found in India.

        • Bossman

          He believes in Adam and Eve so he shouldn’t be taken seriously.

          • journey

            You do know that in the Middle East, the belief in Adam and Eve still exist? Their descendant now called Aryans or Yazidi (the blond bloodline)? Adam and Eve’s massive civilization is still yet to be discovered under the sands in Iraq and in the Sumerian clay tablets sitting on dusty shelves in museums. There is much to be discovered by man yet. Perhaps one day, that massive civilization will have a chance to be discovered once the constant wars cease.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Blue race? Which race is the blue race? The Turks are mostly Caucasoid with a strong West Asian admixture. A lot of Russians look to have fairly strong West Asian admixture. Most Poles, by contrast, seem to be strongly Teutonic.

        • journey

          The blue race no longer exists as a pure race. It long ago merged as now known as today’s white race. The blue race along with the Eskimos was the original inhabitants of today’s Europe. The white race is predominately of the blue race and Aryans (which gives the whites the unique genome base to be the main innovators and inventors on this planet) with some sprinkling of other races. The evolution of man on this planet is complex not the simple out of Africa theory.

          This article calls the Aryans the “farmers from the Middle East”.

    • Bossman

      All the more reasons not to be afraid of Mestizos and Hispanics, They are already your distant cousins.

      • Waterfall

        Everyone – everything – is related at some point, Bossman.

      • John R

        I’ve scene some of these “cousins” coming from Central America. Believe me, they ain’t MY cousins.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          They certainly are not. No doubt. David Yeagley being our racial cousin is believable. George Zimmerman, as much as I respect his acting in self defense against a Negro homicidal predator, is clearly not our racial cousin. Yeagley was half German/half Comanche. Zim is half German/half Peruvian. You and I can plainly see which guy might be our racial cousin, and which guy clearly is not. Behaviors attest to this as well. Yeagley was a racial realist and White advocate. Zim, before his act of self defense, was pals with a Black neighbor. Yeagley’s forebears gave us Indian Territory, one of two territories in The Confederacy, where thousands of men went to fight with White Southerners against Negro loving Northern abolitionists. Clearly not the same race as the LaRaza invaders crossing our Southern border.

      • Bob

        I’m also distantly related to Ebola, should I be embracing it as family now?

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Pure hogwash. Northern Europeans are not related in the least to your violent LaRaza ancestors. The English were extremely lucky to encounter the most civilized and culturally advanced American Indians in the Americas upon their arrival here. The descendants of the Iroquois, in New York State, have built prosperous farms on their reservations, and towns that are clean and almost crime free. Quite a contrast to Mexico, eh?? I suppose you think that the descendants of the Cherokee and Iroquois have been recipients of White privilege. They look nothing like Mestizos. Think the late David Yeagley. How is it that Yeagley, half German/half Comanche, looked nothing like George Zimmerman, who is half German/half Peruvian. Zim looks obviously Mestizo. Yeagley looked like most Whites, and would stand out as obviously not Mestizo in South America. Just look at a picture of Yeagley and one of Zim, and the different racial characteristics, from a physical standpoint, of South vs. North American Indians are obvious. Yeagley could not have walked through a Hispanic Barrio without being stared at, if not harassed verbally or even beaten up, for being a “gringo”.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Your cousins. Not mine.

      • Anna Tree

        Sea sponge and humans are also distant cousins, but I wouldn’t want to marry one or live among sponges. Closer in DNA, apes and humans are also distant cousins, but I wouldn’t want to marry one or live among them either.

        I don’t think Race realists Whites are afraid of Mestizos and Hispanics, or any non-whites. We just want our children to look like our parents and have the rights of self determination and the freedom or association, rights and freedom our ancestors fought and died for, for everybody to enjoy: but we are the only one now who are called racists to want to enjoy them! And actually are forbidden to enjoy them.

    • Waterfall

      It does seem to have that slant. But apparently Daily Mail is a conservative news source.

      • DaveMed

        I don’t think so. Isn’t the Telegraph the “conservative” site?

        • Waterfall

          Daily Mail says it’s conservative. Maybe their conservative is the equivalent of center-left in the U.S.

          • DaveMed

            Yes, that’s probably true.

            But I was not aware that it was a self-styled conservative outlet. Interesting to know.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      Yes, until they’re willing to discuss IQ differences of populations and how that might be influenced by DNA, I’ll have to take these kinds of studies with a grain of salt.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      I agree. The Whites I’ve known with some American Indian lineage had Cherokee mixed with Anglo-Celtic. The result is looks and temperament that would fit in better in Greece or Sicily than Britaina.

  • dd121

    Oh goodie! Now I’m not worried about my 1/1000th (or thereabouts) Cherokee ancestry.

  • SolStans

    Of my eight great-grandparents, one was Anglo, one Dutch, one German, one Irish, three were Italian, and the last was Anglo-Irish. I already feel swarthy with the Roman blood; I don’t need to know I’m Elizabeth Warren’s teepee-mate.

    • SolStans

      And I have to second bigone4u’s comment about this supporting the multicult agenda. This will all be warped into “whitey’s just potpourri, so why should he fight blending to beige?”

    • De Doc

      Warren is about as Native as my left nut. Hey, in America everyone has some Cherokee blood, right?

      • SolStans

        The Warren comment was mostly snark at her Fauxcahontas claims.

      • Waterfall

        Especially if you’re black.

        Those Cherokee got around.

    • Bossman

      Any American whose ancestry goes back more than 200 years in America, chances are will have some native heritage. The early Europeans interbred heavily with native women.

      • SolStans

        I don’t mean to do a rain dance on your “we’re all a big red-brown-beige world” routine, but we kept records. My American line is good old Anglo-Dutch YT.

        • Mary

          Sounds like my folks. Massachusetts Bay Colony, New Amsterdam, and Jamestown.

          • SolStans

            My dad’s line was from New Amsterdam/York, though our foremother was descended from MBC folk who moved down to NY. Genealogy’s a lot of fun!

          • Mary

            Yes, I’m passionate about genealogy. I’m descended from the family who supposedly had the first European child in the state of New York (1625). My husband is from the New York area, and I tease him that my New York roots are much older than his, even though I’m a Southern girl.

          • SolStans

            So, you’re part Bergen too, eh?

          • Mary

            I’m actually descended from Marritje Rapelje, who married Michael Vandervoort. I believe her older sister Sarah married a Bergen, if I’m correct. Are you a descendant?

          • SolStans

            Of the Bergen line, yes. Since most all go back to Hans and Sarah, I’m pretty sure I am. I’ve found an online copy of the Bergen family genealogy book from the 1800’s that covers to mid-century, as well as a cousin’s research that goes back to the mid-late 1800’s. That brief era between is all that I’m having trouble with.

          • Mary

            It sounds like you likely are a descendant. If so, I guess we’re distant cousins. Quite an impressive lineage! Good luck with your search.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        In North America, the results of this have not been a problem, as predicted by Thomas Jefferson. In South America, the results have been a watered down version of Spanish/Portuguese culture, replete with very non-European levels of violence and social dysfunction. Drug cartels running local governments, gang violence, LaRaza, and neighborhoods a White person cannot safely set foot in. North America gave us the late David Yeagley, and Indian Territory in The Confederacy. South America gave us The Latin Kings, Mexican Mafia, and East LA

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Of my eight Great Grandparents, one was Ashkenazi Jewish from Germany, two were Swedish, the rest were German Lutherans. The Ashkenazi Great Grandparent grew up in the Lutheran church, as parents had become baptized as Christians after coming to America. My one Grandparent who was a lifelong Lutheran, but half Ashkenazi descent, had wavy black hair, olive complexion, brown eyes. My other three Grandparents all had blue eyes, and burned easily in the sun. My Grandparent of Swedish descent was blond, the other two Brown hair.

      • Augustus3709

        So if you don’t mind me asking how do you identify yourself (in short)?

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          German American, or German/Scandinavian.

  • Andy

    After 5,000 years ago from northwestern Asia? That sounds like the Aryans. Maybe we *are* descended from them, rather than just having adopted their languages.

    • journey

      True.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        If America still had warriors like David Yeagley running the show instead of Obongo and Holder, ISIS would have already been ground into the carpet. Yeagley understood that the Islamists have declared war on the West. Obongo is a typical Negro. Many Negro love Islamists, but nearly all Negroes, whether Islamist or not, hate all non-Negroes. Mulattoes like Obongo are no exception.

        • journey

          The ancient Aryans in India installed the caste system to prevent miscegenation but it failed. And their advanced civilization eventually collapsed. This country once also recognized the dangers of miscegenation but massive brainwashing has neutered it.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      This is the only thing that makes sense. People just don’t change their language unless they are strongly pressured by outside influence. I think it’s accurate to say modern Europeans have a fair amount of Indo-European blood.

  • The subtitle reads:

    “some of them mystery of European origins.” You probably meant “some of the mystery of European origins.”

    • SolStans

      Correcting English is a microaggression. Eric Holder will be hearing about this comment.

  • journey

    The red man did migrate into Europe from the highlands of India not just into the
    Americas. And the red man genome can be found in the Chinese and the brown man in Asia (Malaysia, Philippines, etc.)

    The white race is pre-dominantly consisting of the blue race (now submerged into what is now known as the white race) and the descendants of Adam and Eve (giving the white race the fair skin, hair, eyes, and their unique gene pool). The blue race (“indigenous hunter-gathers) was already in Europe having migrated from India years earlier (all the colored races appeared in the highlands of India) when the majority of Adam and Eve
    descendants (“early farmers”) migrated to Europe by the way of the Caspian Sea
    and Russia. At one time, Denmark was their capital and they were known as the Vikings.

    The other route Adam and Eve descendants took was by the way of the Mediterranean
    giving rise to the ancient Greek civilization.

    • Bossman

      The minute you begin to talk about “Adam and Eve” I know what what you’re saying has no basis in science.

      • journey

        You do know science is limited by what man knows (chance findings) and his technological advances, e.g., his research methodology and equipment? One prime example is this article.

        And, there are abundance of events on this planet that today’s man will never know about because he was not there. But, it does not mean those events never occurred!

        • Max

          Likewise, this in no way “proves” your Adam and Eve hypothesis which is particularly weak in view of the Bible stating that Jesus of Nazareth, clearly a Shemitic middle-eastern Jew, was the descendent of none other than -Adam.

          Or is ther a new cult teaching that Jesus was a blonde, blue-eyed Nordic?

          • journey

            I was waiting for someone to bring up Jesus as Adam and Eve are associated with Bible stories. You do know the latest is now to say Jesus never existed? He has been reduced to as a figure of the imagination along with his rising from the dead. And, the coming of Jesus was just ~ two thousands ago. While Adam and Eve came about 38,000 years ago. So of course, Adam and Eve are now regarded as just Bible stories. But how about Abraham and Moses (both were after Adam and Eve) are mentioned in the Bible should they also be regarded as myths? (Both actually existed).

            And no, Adam and Eve were not the first humans, as related in the Bible. Remember Cain went to find a wife among the surrounding tribes after he confessed to the killing of his brother, Abel? So, the Bible contains contradictions.

  • B.A_2014

    A professor studying racial origins named Reich lol

  • B.A_2014

    The daily Mail is not our friend. Don’t expect them to do us any favours. They would rather complain about house prices and publish celebrity gossip. The odd time they publish a story where a non white person isn’t portrayed as the epitome of courage and virtue, the left screams racism. We should know better than to trust an establishment rag. We wouldn’t be speaking to each other in this very dark corner of cyberspace if people in the national press had the sack to print what is actually going on. No European nation is reproducing itself and 2% of the earth population are European females and they are aging. That is the type of headline I would like to see in the Daily Mail but I won’t hold my breath.

    • Yeah, you’d better not hold your breath. They are a schizophrenic newspaper with influence from the usual suspects. Hypocritical does not even come close to what they are.

      They whine endlessly about immigrants and such, yet when anybody stands up and says something, they are one of the herd there shouting them down as “extreme” or “far right” or “racist”.

      They are anti-European Union, yet find time to sneer at and publish silly photos of UKIP spokespeople who are the only ones against the EU.

      They condemn the public for getting nose-jobs on the NHS because some clown wants to look like a certain celebrity…..they condemn the fashion industry for contributing to anorexia and bulimia by having all these model types and focussing on looks and celebrity……yet a massive column down the right hand of the Mails website is full to the brim of celebrity culture, gossip about some woman wearing a revealing bikini or a ‘plunging neck line’, congratulating people on the flatness of their stomachs after giving birth two weeks prior lol

      People like Richard Littlejohn herd the “white van man” readers around in circles by the nose – as he whines endlessly about the changes going on in Britain, then goes on to say in the next paragraph how idle and lazy the British are and how he likes a good curry with his Punjabi mates.

      Every single day there is a “Nazi’s ate my hamster” story – with such complete far fetched drivel you think the bottom of the barrel could not be scraped any further…..yet they have one every day, regardless! I sometimes call it the Daily Hail!

      I have pot luck with getting my comments in that paper. Last week I wrote out about eight comments to articles…….none of them rude, crude, nasty, etc……and how many were let through? NONE.

      One was even on an article that claimed at the bottom that “comments have not been moderated on this article”…… Oh yeah?! Liars.

      • B.A_2014

        I hear it was a pretty good paper in the 30s lol

  • Bossman

    I’m glad to hear stuff like that. It means that being afraid of Mexicans and other Hispanics doesn’t make much sense since these people are already related to white people in various degrees.

    • journey

      You missed the point again. It’s the type of culture and level of society that Hispanics and blacks generate that will regress this country. They come here to run away from their own countries that does not take care of them.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Bossman always misses the point. We can see that the South American Indians and the North American Indians are of different racial stock just by looking at their appearance, behavioral patterns, and the cultures they created.

        • journey

          Exactly. The peoples of South and Central America are of more diverse original racial stock than the red man. But they should not be classified under Caucasoid because their original genome is very different. Their correct racial classification is Monogloid.

          The red man of North America is primarily of a single genome base – the red race. And you are correct. The red race genome is of a much higher racial quality. The red man refused to be subservient to the white man so to due superior technology of the whites, the red man eventually lost the war.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Of course. Older adults used to refer to the red man when referring to North American Natives. This seems the most accurate. There is definitely a Native American look and temperament that is totally different from the South American Native look and temperament as well as the White European look and temperament. The red race, as you accurately point out, is far higher quality than the bronze race, far more compatible with us Caucasians. Thomas Jefferson found the Red race compatible with Whites, but Negroes clearly our inferiors, and completely incompatible with us.

          • journey

            Wish I could mention a book which you would find fascinating in how the different races came about and why there are inherent racial differences (like IQ/intelligence) between them. But this website will not allow it.

    • M.

      The common ancestors are too ancient to mean anything racially. North Eurasians gave rise to both East Asians and Amerindians, but the two are very much distinct today.

      • Bossman

        But according to the article, these North Asians mixed with Europeans and the evidence for that is still there. In modern America, if you look white then you’re white and that’s what is important.

        • M.

          Okay, first, they’re North Eurasians, not North Asians. We don’t know how they really look like, but they probably looked more mongoloid than caucasoid.

          And second, as I said, they’re too distant to be of any racial value. 20,000 years of isolation between Amerindians, East Asians, and Europeans have resulted in different races that make their common ancestors nearly irrelevant.

          North Eurasians were the direct common ancestors of East Asians and American Indians. Yet notable differences can be detected between these two populations today.

          Also, keep in mind the North Eurasian ancestry in Europeans is quite small, if you look at the percentages between the two women. Nearly as small as the Neanderthal ancestry.

        • Waterfall

          Check out the genetic distance chart towards the center of the page on this URL. The distance between Northen Europeans and Amerindians is 0.167 percent. This is greater than the distance between Northern Europeans and East or Southeast Asians (0.122 and 0.125, respectively), yet no one would call East Asians
          White. The distance between Mediterranean (i.e. Southern European) peoples and Amerindians is 0.205 percent. This is much greater than the distance between Mediterranean peoples and Sub-Saharan Africans (which is only 0.178 percent)! Yet, no one would dare say that Sub-Saharan Africans are White. Amerindians are only 0.009 percent more closely related to Northern Europeans than Sub-Saharan Africans are. Why should they be considered White?

          http:
          // dienekes. blogspot. com/2010/12/ human-genetic-variation-first.html?m=1

          • Bossman

            They mix well with white people and have been doing so since Columbus landed in the Americas in 1492. That is what is important.

  • Sick of it

    “All Europeans also have DNA from Northern Eurasians.”

    If they are referring to a Mongoloid group, genetic testing has conclusively disproven this.

    • OS-Q

      No, they’d be referring more to Indo-Iranian (or Indo-European or Aryan) types, like the Scythians, Saka, Yuezhi, etc.

    • Bossman

      That is correct. Most modern Europeans are not related to East Asians but they may be related to distant North Asians who also carried West Asian genes.

  • Alex Dihes

    Geneticists unravel some of them mystery of European origins.

    =================
    Is this an English or Ebonics?

    • journey

      Just a typo = “the”.

    • Waterfall

      When I first saw the the description, I thought it was a joke.

      Geneticists be talkin ’bout that DNA.

  • MekongDelta69

    Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid – Bering Strait Bridge. America.

    I’m done…

    • journey

      Those are the three main race classifications of today. And today’s Hispanics (the majority jumping the borders are classified under “Mongoloid” not “Caucasoid”).

      • Bossman

        Many of them are part Caucasian and as for the Mongoloid part, more than 20,000 years separate them from Mongolia. When the police in the USA hands out a traffic ticket to a Hispanic, they are always described as white.

        • journey

          Missed the point again. Blacks have white DNA in this country but they are still classified under Negroid. Racial classification is determined by the original genome. And some Asians have white DNA but still classified under Mongoloid.

          “Always”?

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Bossman is a Mestizo. He is modeling for us the cognitive inferiority of the Mongoloid sub-race of South American natives that The Bell Curve accurately describes. Miscegenation between these round headed Natives and Mediterranean Europeans has produced sewers such as Mexico City.

          • journey

            Have to agree with you. He certainly enjoys giving us illogical viewpoints.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Three is innacurate and misleading. The Bronze race, Red race, and Orientals may all stem from an Asiatic base, but are easily decipherable by looks, and by temperament. Have George Zimmerman, David Yeagley, and Jackie Chan stand side by side. The differences in facial features make their race obvious. If we located a photo of Jared Taylor and David Yeagley standing side by side, which man is half Comanche would be obvious.

        • journey

          Three is the easiest because of all the inter racial mixing. But, I have been thinking about say 50% white, 50% Asian, where does that individual belong in the three? I guess classified by the most dominant physical appearance.

          There used to be 9 distinct racial groups on this planet. Just because one today cannot see the 9 does not mean it never existed.

          Eventually, there will be only one blended race and one language on this planet. This will be easier to accomplish the brotherhood of men and peace on earth.

  • Heinrich Salian

    None of this is new. It’s long been recognized that, especially in eastern europe, Indo europeans had a strong influence.

    • Waterfall

      That’s what I thought. But I guess there’s evidence of another, more recent admixture.

    • Ernst Stavro Blofeld

      So I was banned from The Right Stuff. That post was a total accident really sorry you had to see that. I enjoyed your comments on TRS. Hopefully I can talk them out of banning me.
      I comment on other Alt Right sites so I hope to see you around. You have solid opinions. I apologize again for that posting, the picture was on my phone and a joke with my wife-not meant for posting. I am a huge moron.

      • Heinrich Salian

        I understand man. 🙂

  • HJ11

    Ah, the article might as well have said that there is a link between Whites and the first molecule of DNA to make the leap from the so-called non living mineral world to the living mineral world.

    The point I’m making is that one can imagine a time lapse film of evolution, and then run the film backwards and all life would collapse back into that first molecule. Yes, all life that we know about comes from the same ultimate source, but evolution has changed us and caused us to diverge (because that’s what evolution does).

    What should be important for us Whites today, is that we are now a unique people and we should try to keep evolving along a White trajectory and not blend back in with the non-White masses.

    • The White Wolf

      It is also of interesting note that the white race is being ‘chased’ across the continents at a higher rate than many would like to admit. At current rates whites will become minorities in many countries across Europe and the US within 40 years. What was once a proud, pioneering, strong willed people only 200 years ago is a shadow of it’s former self. It now resembles a fat, in debt and proudly incompetent fool living in constant fear and resigned apathy. If things continue as they are there will simply be nowhere left for ‘white flight’.

      • Waterfall

        ‘White flight’ would have to reach a tipping point eventually.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Very true. Here in the U. S., Whites have been allowing Negroes to reach that tipping point in city after city, at which point most Whites simply move to a Whiter pasture, so to speak. As the late David Yeagley always reminded us, we European descended Whites dispossessed the North American Indians in much the same fashion as Negroes and Mestizoes are now dispossessing us. If the North American Indians are indeed fellow Caucasians, American Whites were just dispossessing our brethren, and are now, as Yeagley pointed out so accurately, asking them to join us as we allow Negroes and other incompatible non-Whites to dispossess all of us together. When Yeagley asked where our warrior spirit is, he was right. Where the heck is it? Back in the sixties, Whites fought to keep our neighborhoods our neighborhoods. Most of us AmReners would fight to expel the invaders, but we are only criticized by most other Whites.

  • Waterfall

    I was a bit confused by the diagram. According to the graphs, all Europeans have equal amounts of this north Eurasian lineage. That would mean that this group either: A) mated with a single European population before the Europeans spread across Europe, or B) found and mated with every group that was already spread across Europe. “A” being the more reasonable choice, that would mean that modern Europeans did not proliferate throughout Europe until about 7,000 to 5,000 years ago (which is when this Eurasian admixture apparently happened). But I was under the impression that Europe had been settled by contemporary populations earlier than that. And, why do we have no skeletons of people from this Eurasian group in that area during that time period? Where are they today? What happened to them?

    • M.

      The article said the north Eurasian DNA wasn’t found in early Europeans. Which means that the early Europeans remained a small population that was later on invaded by north Eurasians, and mated with a considerable number of the latters so that their DNA spread among Europeans.

      I said “invaded”… it may not have been invasion, but merely a migration.

      But this term “north Eurasian” is racially useless today. It split in many populations that remained apart long enough to be racially distinct. Most considerably East Asians and Amerindians.

      • Bossman

        More than 20,000 years separate American Indians from East Asians and many genetic mutations could have occurred during such a long time.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Well, well!! You are recognizing the racial distinctiveness of all of the races of humans. Race is a social construct when it suits your agenda of your Bronze race pouring across our Southern Border in droves, but race suddenly becomes a reality when you compare your Bronze race to Orientals. Do you see the hypocrisy in this?

    • journey

      I would say take this article with a grain of salt. Humans (science) can only hypothesized from the known. The evolution of life and man himself is a complex story on this planet. There will be missing pieces that man will not ever know in trying to piece together the events that occurred on this planet. Those missing pieces are long gone and not discoverable. At the very least, hopefully, this article and others will be the start of a detour from the incorrect theories that man (humanity) evolved from blacks and out of Africa.

  • looking at the Lapps of northern finland/sweden etc, you can see from their faces that they have asian links. Also, the designs on their clothing has similarities to what american indians had. The Lapps no doubt had trade links all the way across the arctic eons ago.

    • journey

      One does not trade the living in teepees. Also, not all American Indians lived in teepees. So, some American Indians continued the tradition while others did not. It was the Plains Indians who primarily lived in teepees.
      Also, the Bering Strait sank isolating the red man until the white race discovered them.

      • Melvin Bonzarelli

        Many native Americans today live in small groups just outside of liquor stores, waiting for them to open.

        • journey

          Very sad to see an once proud people reduced to living on government handouts.

    • Heinrich Salian

      You’d think so but you’d be wrong. The Lapps are a very strange and isolated Caucasian population. The correlation in question is an example of convergent evolution.

    • Bossman

      Some Lapps who were protesting their government actions have been taken in by Canadian Indian tribes.

  • Michael Mason

    What on earth are we?

    • Evette Coutier

      We are lucky we are not black.

  • Evette Coutier

    It really doesn’t matter our exact genetic mix from 100,000 years ago as much as the evolutionary changes that have taken place since then. This is the crux of race realism. White benefits made superior adaptations that lead to higher intelligence, improvements in social traits, and rational and creative thought processes. It sucks for them, but blacks got the short end of the stick. In the reality of adaptive evolution, there are winners and losers. Racism is not hate. It’s fact.

    • Bossman

      Most Blacks would like to mix with whites to improve their breed.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Yes they do. The result of Black/White miscegenation is a smarter Negro, but still a Negro. The White genes may as well have gone into the garbage. White/Black miscegenation, for Whites, just increases the presence of Africa in our midst. Miscegenation had the same effect in South America. White/Native Indian miscegenation produced Mexico City, not Barcelona.

        • Waterfall

          The vast majority of American blacks have some White heritage, yet, by-and-large, they haven’t assimilated. Just imagine if they were all pure African! Our friend Bossman believes our goal should be to get them to mix with as many Whites as possible until the U.S. has a new class of people akin to the “Pardo” of Brazil or the “Coloureds” of South Africa. Yet, in no country that has a “brown” race living alongside a pure White race do the browns have the highest standard of living. In Brazil, Pardo are still essentially second-class. In South Africa, wealth, culture, technology and scientific research are all in White hands. It’s as the original post said, not just the intelligence but the improved social traits and the rational and creative thought processes make Whites different. Donating White genes to Africans may make them a bit brighter, but, as you said, they’re still African. Their instincts, inclinations, thought processes, and hormones are just… different.

  • Waterfall

    From the article:

    ‘These results suggest that the light skin seen across Europe today is a development of the last at least 7,000 years.’

    This work suggests that present-day Europeans derive from three ancient populations of early inhabitants of the continent.

    Incredible.

    • Bob

      It was another blow to the bullshit that 60k years was too short for evolution to happen – the statement was ludicrous from the beginning. Evolution is not a function of time. It’s a function of the strength of selection pressure acting on the available genome.

  • De Doc

    Other Y-haplogroups are common among S. Euros to include R1b & I2 that are not recent intrusions into those areas. E1b1b has some areas of heavy concentration, such as Greece, Sicily, and Adriatic coast, yet are far less common in others such as southern France and Spain.

  • Samuel Hathaway

    Here’s one of my favorite singers of all time… Crystal Gayle. Unlike Elizabeth Warren, Crystal does indeed, posses some Cherokee Indian heritage.

    • Bossman

      There are millions like her in the USA, Canada and all the countries of the Americas.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Part Mexican my left nut. Part Cherokee or Comanche, maybe, but not part Aztec. One can see that is not true.

        • Bossman

          Have you never heard of a thing called Google? You can use it to get facts.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I don’t see the Bronze race in her looks.

  • Leon NJ

    Where does the invention of the taco come into all of this?

  • Alex Dihes

    Being from Russia I firmly – definitely – assuredly – completely believe – take – accept – buy – trust ANY “scientific” info coming from the American mass-media! Firstly, due to their illiteracy, secondly and most importantly due to the PC where they squeeze everything possible. And impossible as well.

    • Waterfall

      Daily Mail is from the UK, and this study was done at Harvard. It has been reported by several news sources, not just this one.

  • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

    I believe that the real thrust or purpose of such studies is to blunt the genetic data that has tended to support the very un PC notion of eugenics. It is well known that such remote connections have little bearing on the final product of evolution where all groups, but in this case, Europeans are concerned. The argument has been made and substantially, that “white” European or “Anglo” characteristics were a later development due to a mixture of factors, some natural and some actually intentional. That doesn’t mean that European genes or the classic physical characteristics loose value, but this is the undercurrent of this study. I believe its intention is to mock the notion that there is a such thing as “white.” The intended result is the further loss of white identity. Don’t buy it.

  • TXCriollo

    So there saying were not black?

  • I walked to the nearest liquor store late yesterday evening and bought two bottles. Someone black was going slow down the hill on north Union, and I rapidly gained ground on him without walking faster than I normally do. I decided it was a short guy instead of a skinny gal because his toes did not point inward in his gait. There was loose gravel on the sidewalk, so I figured he would hear me. I was two feet away and turned onto the grass closer to the street to politely pass him, and he just about jumped out of his skin, shrieking “Oh My God”. He looked like Count Dracula had gotten him, so I smiled, said I was sorry and continued marching home.

    Us “Indigenous Hunters” can move quickly and quietly without intending to do so.

    When that becomes “Indigenous-Hunter-Americans”, I suppose we will be belled like cats.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Nice!!! Good to see you on this thread Mike!! I’ve been thinking of you as I post on this thread, wondering if you were going to chime in. This article made me think of the late David Yeagley, Indian Territory in the CSA, and, of course, Michael Christopher Scott!! I’ve always wondered why the South American Indians look and behave so

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Moving quickly and quietly is good. Most Mestizoes are short and heavy set. George Zimmerman resembles the average Mestizo guy in appearance. Compare Zimm, half German/half Peruvian, to the late David Yeagley, half German/half Comanche. Yeagley would clearly stand out as a “gringo” in a Hispanic neighborhood. Not only was Yeagley a White advocate, he looked like a White guy.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Exactly. Negroes are obviously radically different from Caucasians. Their looks make this obvious, and their behaviors equally so. Their minds work differently from ours. They are not meant to live amongst other races. The differences are just too intense. A lot of Arabs obviously have a strong Negro admixture, as evidenced by their Negroid features/behavior. Most of the radical Islamists are at least quadroons, and would have been classified as Coloreds down South in the days of segregation.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Poles and Lithuanians tend to look a lot more like Swedes or Germans than like most Russians. A lot of Russians appear to have significant West Asian admixture.

  • Augustus3709

    My current understanding is that White Europe is the combination of Old Europe, and then the later Aryan invasion which brought the P.I.E languages. According to the current state of studies of Haplogroup movements, the likely Aryan R(1) group split off from P and an alternate evolution was Q. R went west and Q went east, eventually over the bearing strait to North America. So, there is a racial fork in the road there between some Whites and Amerindians. Interesting no?