Convert, Pay Tax, or Die, Islamic State Warns Christians

Yahoo! News, July 18, 2014

Islamist insurgents have issued an ultimatum to northern Iraq’s dwindling Christian population to either convert to Islam, pay a religious levy or face death, according to a statement distributed in the militant-controlled city of Mosul.

The statement issued by the Islamic State, the al Qaeda offshoot which led last month’s lightning assault to capture swathes of north Iraq, and seen by Reuters, said the ruling would come into effect on Saturday.

It said Christians who wanted to remain in the “caliphate” that the Islamic State declared this month in parts of Iraq and Syria must agree to abide by terms of a “dhimma” contract–a historic practice under which non-Muslims were protected in Muslim lands in return for a special levy known as “jizya”.

“We offer them three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract–involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,” the announcement said.

A resident of Mosul said the statement, issued in the name of the Islamic State in Iraq’s northern province of Nineveh, had been distributed on Thursday and read out in mosques.

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The concept of dhimma, governing non-Muslims living under Islamic rule, dates back to the early Islamic era in the seventh century, but was largely abolished during the Ottoman reforms of the mid-19th century.

Mosul, once home to diverse faiths, had a Christian population of around 100,000 a decade ago, but waves of attacks on Christians since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion to topple Saddam Hussein have seen those numbers collapse.

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  • Jimbo Jones

    The former employee at the National Agency for American security, Edward Snowden, revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the ex-EIIL or Islamic State Iraq and the Levant, according to Iranian news agency Farsnews.

    • References?

      • Sick of it

        Just as reliable as this current administration.

      • Wholly Unconvinced

        As opposed to the American press? I’d say they’re at least as trustworthy, probably more.

  • Luca

    “… if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,”

    Aha… the religion of Peace strikes again.

    • Publius Pompilius Quitus

      Not to mention the darling intentions of the neoconservatives to liberate that wretched country, which served for religious minorities to be further persecuted.

      • Let’s not forget their ongoing support in Syria for anyone except the Assad government, which by Middle Eastern standards was religiously very tolerant.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Arabs do not have the genetic potential or intellectual capacity to develop or maintain a first world democracy. They can only thrive under totalitarian dictatorship. For this reason, Assad and his Alawite Baathist party are the only people capable of holding the country together, just like Saddam and the Baathists were the only people capable of maintaining ethnically heterogeneous Iraq as a single, unified country.

          Assad is the only force for good in this region of the world. He’s a defender of modern Syria against Muslim barbarism and cruelty. Muslims are enemies of civilization who threaten to plunge the country into the darkness of 7th century Arabia, when it was under the religious tyranny of the prophet Mohammed.

          • Pro_Whitey

            And don’t forget Asma Assad (check out the pics). Dang, she fine!

          • MBlanc46

            Alas, I’m beginning to fear that Europeans, North Americans, and Australasians no longer have the capacity to maintain first world democracy.

          • propagandaoftruth

            The infusion of black African genetics when White civilization began to eclipse Islamic and could resist enslavement by…

            Has, I think, significantly lowered the IQ of the modern ME Semite. Not the same as the ancient Fenics or Assyrians. Islamic tyranny is all they can handle.

      • Oil Can Harry

        The neocons said that if we just overthrew the leaders of Iraq, Libya and now Syria those countries will become Jeffersonian democracies similar to Denmark or Canada.

        After all, the races are identical except for skin color and hair texture. “We’re all the same under the skin”.

        • IstvanIN

          Not likely, both those countries have female monarchs and you know how fond muslims are of women who don’t live their lives covered in black trash bags from head to toe.

        • archer

          Exactly who are the so called “neocons”? Let me guess.

  • MekongDelta69

    More “Religion of Pieces” family ‘values.’

  • me

    Muslims….causing pain in the rectums of all decent peoples since the 14th century….

    • JohnEngelman

      It started before then.

    • ElComadreja

      7th century actually.

  • captainc

    Let’s learn from Islam, here is a real example of how create your own political entitiy. Might is Right.

  • dd121

    There aren’t enough Christians left in this country to generate enough pressure to give them any aid.

    • Pro_Whitey

      Has anyone heard the radio commercials on Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh’s shows from the “International Council of Christians and Jews” seeking donations to help poor Israelis because the government has had to divert resources to border control? Talk about chutzpah with a capital “hhhhhhh”. And nothing for the Christians who get it in the neck all over the Middle East.

      • dd121

        I know they’re both pretty much pro-Israel. The reality in this country is that if your’re not pro-Israel you’re not going to have any access to any media, liberal or conservative.
        I’ve listened to Rush over the years, not so much Beck, and he stays clear of religion. I get the impression is that he is not a practicing Christian.

  • Adolf Verloc

    My take on this is different from some. This is an example of how ethnic or religious identity trumps nationalism at the end of the day. The process is most evident in the Middle East, but it is happening in some form all over the world, including here. Multiethnic and multiconfessional states are imploding, and we are only seeing the beginning of it. I sympathize with the Iraqi Christians, but this is not a fight we should be involved in.

    • A lot of these ISIS types aren’t even Iraqis; plenty of them are Syrian militants and foreign jihadis. I also think they’re playing with fire, because (a) the Shi’ites still outnumber the Wahhabist Sunnis who make up ISIS, and (b) this will inevitably drive Iraqi Shi’ites farther into the arms of Iran.

      • Adolf Verloc

        Agreed, but remember that fewer and fewer Iraqis think of themselves as “Iraqis” firsts. I suspect that they soon will have what good old Joe Biden predicted in 2006: a Sunnistan, a Shiastan and a Kurdistan. The Kurds get the biggest oilfields, the Shiites get less, and the Sunnis get much smaller but still substantial fields. Come on in for the big win! And, of course, Iraqi Christians are royally screwed. Their best bet will be in Kurdistan.

        • It’s an artificial country, and has been since the borders were drawn in 1919. I suspect the British representatives at the Treaty of Sevres had gotten stuck into a bit too far into the gin beforehand.

          • dd121

            I think they knew what they were doing. They wanted to keep the Arabs weak and divided and that’s what’s happened. Their 21st century civil wars trace back to that partition.

          • Doesn’t that then give the lie to the whole “War to End All Wars” propaganda about World War One? Where the Middle East is concerned, the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire constituted a Peace to End All Peace in the region.

          • dd121

            They knew it was a lie even as they spoke the words. I saw a documentary about Churchill the other day. They didn’t mention one word about his disastrous invasion at Gallipoli.

        • Kenner

          I was thinking the Christians only chance for for survival would lie with the Kurds as well, if they’re willing to fight alongside them.

      • captainc

        don’t underestimate the power of one fanatic jihadis with hundreds of timid Iraqis, Muslims conquered thousand of miles of areas back then just by bunch of fanatic Arabs.

        There is no substitute for fanatic jihadis with weapons.

    • Sick of it

      Unfortunately, “our” government continues to interfere on behalf of muslim terrorists.

  • D.B. Cooper

    Mark my words, you brain dead Republicans. I predict millions of Iraqis will convert to Christians, say they are persecuted, and granted asylum in either Europe or North America. Once YOU are paying for them, these refugees will reconvert back to Islam.

  • There is no peaceful coexistence with this group. There is only victory or defeat. Does the West have the will to exterminate the muzzie religion? If we don’t, we are as doomed as those aboard Flight MH17. In fact, better to die that way than at the hands of the coming caliphate.

    • Holy ^__^, man. Who said anything about exterminating them? Who friggin’ cares what they do in their own lands on their own time with their own people, on their own dime? Not me. Damn.

      Everytime you make a once-sided post like that about Muslims, a Jew somewhere rubs his hands together in joy.

      • Adolf Verloc

        Exactly. What we need is about a century’s worth of separation from the Muslim world as best we can manage. Sort of like the way that Japan withdrew from the world during the Shokugawa shogunate. The way they conduct their business in the interim is not ultimately our problem.

        • The Tokugawa shogunate succeeded in isolating Japan, but it left them with an enormous amount of catching up to do, some 250 years later. In the meantime, Europe had finished the Renaissance, extensively settled the Americas, and then Europe and North America had gone through the Enlightenment and begun the Industrial Revolution.

          Mind you, we’re not going to drift technologically behind Islam, but isolating ourselves doesn’t seem practical.

      • Sick of it

        We should at the very least remove all muslims from our nations. As well as you know who. One enemy is not preferable to another.

        • Muslims will fight you in such a way that at least everyone understands they’ve got a problem with you and they’re mad about it. Jews corrupt from within and talk out both sides of their mouths. I would rather have an honest fight with a defined external foe than to suffer constant psychological warfare and propaganda such that many of us don’t even understand we are under attack.

          • jayvbellis

            Jews work to flood USA and Europe with millions of Muslims.

            Opposing mass Muslim immigration – you’re also opposing the worst Jews.

      • Long Live Dixie

        Who friggin’ cares what they do in their own lands on their own time with their own people, on their own dime?

        I don’t care either, but when have they ever stayed in their own lands? And what are their own lands? The entire Mediterranean was in the European realm before Islam’s conquests. At minimum, I suggest pushing them out of Europe, Anatolia, the Caucasus, and all lands bordering the Mediterranean.

        • To make something like that happen which would include I think turning the Turks out of land they’ve been in for a thousand years we’d have to initially gain military and political control of a single country. We don’t have that now. From a strategic standpoint, exactly like a game of Risk when you’re weak, I seriously think we should consider all dogpiling into single European country, by the millions, immediately taking political and military control through sheer numbers and then work on retaking Europe one country at a time.

          • Luca

            Do what Hitler did prior to 1939. Expel undesirables from your country.

            From 1933 through 1939 the German economy sky-rocketed while the rest of the world was mired in the Great Depression. There is no doubt that Hitler went overboard, but the concept is sound: Expel undesirables.

            Too may people make too much money with little or no effort. Generally those people are liberals. They make money in the entertainment, banking, media, sports, jewelry, financial and educational markets. They have no respect for hard work or the hard working people whom they prey upon. They take more out of an economy than they put back. With all that money they buy power and create propaganda to further their cause. They poison a country and destroy a people..

      • Luca

        The Muslims are trying to overtake the West with a population/immigration bomb. Their women are having ten kids apiece. Why let them emigrate? Let them wallow in their own filth and then eat each other.

        The problem is European politicians are addicted to Arab oil.

        • Overtake it from whom exactly? From us? We don’t have it now. Our country is run by Jews which is the only reason the country is being flooded with Mexicans and assorted other dark-skinned hordes. If the country was ours we wouldn’t do that to ourselves. We could boot out the Muslims and the negroes tomorrow and the Jew would let them back in by next week. Some of you here perpetually fail to keep this in perspective.

          • Luca

            When I say “West” I am referring to the Western World or Western Civilization. What I am stating is the Muslim game plan to defeat the West can only be achieved through overpopulation and immigration. This is very evident in most of Western Europe at the moment. My comment above was somewhat directed to Europe.

            Muslims want to establish a world caliphate which excludes Whites, Christians, Jews and secularists. They most certainly want to eradicate Israel.

            Liberal, elite, powerful Jews in the US are a whole other topic and I get your drift.

          • captainc

            I think Muslims don’t think in terms of race, they think in terms of ideology, it is either Islam or others. And others can get lost or pay taxes to breathe in Islamic state. These others can be arabs too.

    • IstvanIN

      Actually there can be peaceful coexistence, it is called each in his own nation with his own faith and culture.

      • Long Live Dixie

        . . . each in his own nation with his own faith and culture.

        That is a contradiction of basic Islamic teaching. To my knowledge, there is no period in the last 1400 years when Islam has kept to itself.

        • IstvanIN

          But we don’t have to invite them over, nor do we have to get involved in their affairs, two issues our side is guilty of.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I agree, but what I’m saying is that Europeans can’t just expect a peaceful separation from them because they demand Europe and claim that it is theirs. Even if somehow separation happened overnight, then it would not take long for them to begin trying to move out of the Middle East and interfere again with the West.

          • captainc

            No, you can’t. A Caliph is exptected to do jihad invasion on neighboring countries until they are subdued, or he is unfit to be Caliph of an Islamic state, because he is afraid to get killed more than propagating Islam all over the world until all mankind are under Islamic laws.

            It is every youth dreams to be part in military conquest. Young restless teens love Islam and jihad, it is like online games but with real characters and pride.

      • jayvbellis

        The whole concept of nationalism , patriotism in one country – that’s a white European concept. Not Islamic. Certain Islamic people’s, most notably theTurks copied European nationalism as Europe was so far ahead of Islamic areas and The Turks had been decisively defeated by European nations.

        Secular nationalism was also the system for Batthist in Iraq and Syria under Saddam and Assad. All that’s out the window now.

        We have to get away from the mindset that nasty non White Muslims only bother us because we didn’t respect them in THEIR countries, or everything is the fault of US support of Israel against Muslims in ME.

        Muslims don’t want to stay in nasty Muslim countries anymore than Blacks want to stay in Black places like Haiti, Zimbabwe, Liberia or Detroit.

        Give them hat they say they want Muslim rule, Muslim laws, Black rule, Black power and then they are never satisfied. They will always want more if what we have, want to move to where we are.

        It’s “What’s Mins mine, what’s yours needs to be multi cultural, thn it I’ll eventually become mine”.

        • captainc

          Many Middle Eastern or South Asian muslims move to Malaysia now, it is a much better Muslim country, very modern.

          • jayvbellis

            I have heard the same positive things about Malaysia.

            Also the secular Republic system in Turkey as set up by Turkish nationalist leader Kemel Ataturk seems to have worked well.

            But in all honesty , most of the Islamic world is a mess and a terrible place for regular people, particularly non Muslims to live.

          • captainc

            It’s true, too much politics and too many dictators, the different thing about Malaysia is, it was ruled by a wise dictator for 20 years, the wise and brilliant Dr. Mahathir and I think also British colonial legacy contributes a lot, moreover, Singapore, which is a breakaway state and stolen from Malaysia by Chinese immigrants, is just over the strait, and this makes the competition fiercer to make money or they would lose the authority from the people (50 % Indians + Chinese).

            Other muslim countries are located in Middle East and North Africa, where most political instability lies. You look that your neighbors are poor and that makes you think you are making a progress.

    • jayvbellis

      Look to Russia and Eastern Europeans like Romanians. Follow their lead. They have lots of experience in this area.

  • Long Live Dixie

    This gives Europeans something to look forward to.

  • NoMosqueHere

    “We offer them three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract–involving payment of jizya; if they refuse this they will have nothing but the sword,” the announcement said.

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    This is standard muslim doctrine. Islam is a religion of conquest and war. All infidels are Dar al Harb — the state of war. Islam must be defeated at every turn. Unfortunately, many whites are war weary, and others identify with Islam since it wants Israel destroyed.

  • MBlanc46

    That’s the orthodox Muslim attitude toward Christianity and Judaism. Perhaps regimes have been lax in enforcing it, but it’s always been the case. And the Christians and the Jews got off light; for all other religions (e.g., Zoroastrianism or Hinduism) it was “Islam or the sword”.

    • M.

      Yes, the Chapter 9, verse 29 of the Quran is very clear about that:

      “Fight against those who (1)
      believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which
      has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who
      acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of
      the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the jizya with
      willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

    • They’re currently picking on the Mandeans, too. An odd religion: it’s essentially Old Testament Scripture, but they reject Abraham and Moses along with Jesus and Mohammad.

      I suppose it is only a matter of time before the more fanatical Syrian Wahhabist rebels start picking on the Druzes.

      • captainc

        Mike, just like the IRS, they have to collect taxes. 😀

  • HJ11

    I agree with the Caliphate. I don’t want diversity in my land either. It does nothing for me or for my kind. I want a White land, where people believe in Whiteness. Anyone who doesn’t believe in this should just leave…or maybe pay a tax.

    • M.

      I would be content with a simply 90%+ white majority, with the other 10% fully acknowledging that the country and culture are white, and pledge not to engage in activities that would undermine that.

    • All of us already pay extortionate taxes. Another article linked from here today explained that congress stole $392 million dollars of our money to pay for free school lunches for the children of freeloaders… during summer vacation, when they aren’t taking classes, and who’s freeloading parents already qualify for food stamps.

    • I like this idea.

    • NoMosqueHere

      But the west is absorbing very large muslim populations and won’t initiate a tax against them. Most whites still don’t appreciate the threat islam poses to their free and open societies.

    • captainc

      You’re smart, I have been promoting Islam, not because I want you to be Muslims, but because Might is Right. Moreover, by playing Muslims, you’d get military support from faraway lands.

  • Paleoconn

    We got rid of secular, stable, bribeable Saddam, for this. There is a special place in hell for the neocons. I loathe these people even more than liberals.

    • They are both a threat to my existence and the existences of my posterity. They are both cancer.

      • Paleoconn

        You’re right; two sides of the same rotten, rusted, devalued coin

    • Nobody in Washington had a plan as to who should replace Saddam, which made the whole God-cursed exercise pointless from the beginning. When Shrubya was elected in 2000, I was already locked up, and so couldn’t vote, but I thought not even he could be that stupid. I was wrong. There’s plenty of blame to go around, though; President Oogabooga dropped the ball by ignoring Iraq after things had quieted down.

    • jayvbellis

      I am proud to have been 100% right on this. I followed Pat Buchanan’s lead in 1992 and took out full page adverts opposing Bush Sr’s and the Neo cons first war against Saddam . I took out full page adverts in Tennessee newspapers, went on talk radio . I noted that this foreign war for foreign interests was a distraction from our country sliding in to third world status as our borders were undefended. I actually got a rather fair shake by the Tennessee media but most of the public didn’t know what to make of someone like me as they were conditioned to think all anti war protesters were anti American Leftists.

      The powers that be got Hank Williams Jr, Toby Keith and Ted Nugent to produce some quick “let’s kick some as$ and get Saddam” propaganda music which sadly always works.

      There was a small Populist Party group in Tennessee that got my message as they used “America First”.

      • Saddam was begging for the 1991 war. Invading and annexing a fellow UN member nation wasn’t going to fly. Dealing with (and hopefully preventing) sort of war of conquest was precisely why the UN was founded in San Francisco in 1945. Of course, if the UN was worth a damn, they would be able to arrange plebiscite elections in Kashmir and could also make a ruling on islands in the South China Sea seized by China from Vietnam and the Philippines.

  • IKUredux

    I’ll be honest with you guys. I HATE multiculturalism. I hate multi pretty much everything. I don’t know about you, but, I consider myself discriminatory. You know, I hate shoddy work, I hate stores where I feel I have been ignored. I discriminate against restaurants with high prices and lousy food. In fact, my entire life is based on discrimination. And, right now? Whites are being discriminated against, FOR NO REASON!!!!! That’s right. For NO reason. The pc police have taken away the word “gay”. And, now, they are brandishing the word “discrimination”, as a weapon. Meanwhile, isn’t it interesting that we have been primed to accept muslims into our midst. The fact of the matter remains is this: The choices given to non- muslims are pretty much the same choices given to Whites in this not united states. Mostly, it’s the “jizyah” that we choose.

  • ElComadreja

    This is a surprise? It’s what the Koran directs them to do.

  • benvad

    I said once and I’ll say it again betraying Saddam was the biggest mistake ever.