‘No Indians No PRCs’: Singapore’s Rental Discrimination Problem

Helier Cheung, BBC News, May 1, 2014

When Sunil first moved to Singapore, he had trouble finding an apartment.

“I called up several landlords who had listed rooms for rent,” Sunil, a Sri Lankan who spent eight years living in the UK, said.

“Things would start out OK, maybe because of my [Western] accent–but the moment they heard my name, they’d blank out. Many said ‘sorry, we don’t rent to these people’, or ‘sorry, no room for Indians’.”

Sunil, a civil engineer who arrived in 2012, said he was rejected by at least four landlords.

“I told them that Sri Lanka was not India, that I wouldn’t eat or cook in the apartment, and that I would be outside all day. But still, they wouldn’t offer me a room,” he said.

“At that point, I got fed up and decided to only try Indian landlords. I was invited to viewings right away.”

‘Cleanliness and culture’

Sunil is not alone. A quick glance at online rental listings shows many that include the words: “no Indians, no PRCs [People’s Republic of China]”, sometimes followed by the word “sorry”.

A count on 24 April found that there were more than 160 housing adverts on the website PropertyGuru that clearly stated that the landlord did not wish to rent to Indians and/or mainland Chinese.

The issue appears more common with less expensive properties and on sites where content is posted directly by users, such as Gumtree.

It is not clear how many foreign workers have been affected. However, several expatriates have described experiencing varying levels of discrimination.

One Indian expat said his agent told him that many landlords would refuse to rent to him because “Indians always cook smelly curries”. Another Briton of South Asian descent did not experience any direct discrimination, but was warned by his agent that some landlords could be difficult.

It was something I experienced too, albeit indirectly. When I searched for a flat, my housing agent received a phone call from one landlord who was worried that I was from mainland China, presumably after they learned about my Chinese ethnicity.

I listened to them discussing my background for what felt like an agonisingly long time. After she hung up, I asked her if it would reassure the landlord if they knew I was British.

“It doesn’t matter,” she said. “They may still think you’re a PRC who obtained a British passport.”

Mathew Mathews, a senior research fellow at the Institute of Policy Studies, says: “There are stereotypes that people have about different immigrant groups and how responsible they are in terms of the upkeep of a rented apartment.

“There are notions of which groups take care of their homes better, and what cooking supposedly leaves permanent smells in the house. People have notions about what would devalue the property.”

Charlene, an estate agent, said it was common for landlords to prefer not to rent to tenants from India or mainland China because such tenants “are not people who are house proud”.

“Many don’t clean weekly, and they do heavy cooking, so dust and oil collect over the months. They may use a lot of spices that release smells people don’t like.”

There are also fears that those tenants will illegally sublet to others, she said, adding: “Cleanliness and culture is a very strong factor.”

Another estate agent made similar points, saying that landlords were less willing to rent to Indian and mainland Chinese tenants as they believed they would not maintain the property well.

‘Private spheres’

Singapore is an ethnically diverse nation, consisting of 74% Chinese, 13% Malay, 9% Indian and 3% from other groups. However, as 90% of Singaporean households own their homes, a significant portion of renters are foreigners.

Immigration has also become a sensitive issue, amid concern over living costs and rising housing prices, which many locals blame on foreigners.

Eugene Tan, Associate Professor of Law at Singapore Management University, says: “In the current state of ambivalence towards immigration in Singapore, my sense is that race and country of origin have taken on a stronger accent with regards to how landlords may view Indian/PRC tenants.”

Singapore’s government places a strong emphasis on racial harmony. Studies suggest that there is relatively little racial discrimination in the public sphere, but things can be different in private.

“The Singaporean state has considerably influenced Singaporeans’ willingness to work and be alongside those who are racially different,” Dr Mathews says. “Singaporeans have learned to accept the realities of living in a multi-racial and multi-religious society. The private sphere, however, is one which the state has not tried to influence.”

A landlord’s choice of tenants “would probably fall within people’s private spheres in terms of who they would choose to come into their home space”.

Attitudes to race came to the fore in December, when hundreds of foreign workers from India and South Asia rioted after an Indian national was killed in a bus accident. The incident sparked a strong response on social media–many made comments denouncing foreign workers, although many others also spoke out against racism.

Legal gap?

Of course, rental discrimination exists in many countries. A BBC study in October found that several estate agencies in London would refuse to rent to African-Caribbean people at the landlord’s request.

However, while the UK has legislation banning discrimination on ethnic or nationality grounds, covering situations including “buying or renting property”, Singapore offers fewer legal protections.

“There is no specific anti-discrimination law that can be used by non-citizens,” says Prof Tan.

“Even if there is an anti-discrimination law, there is the challenge of proving discrimination . . . Indication of tenant preferences in rental advertisements may not amount to discrimination.”

In a statement, PropertyGuru said discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or nationality was “absolutely not” allowed under its guidelines.

“There is a whistle-blowing feature for viewers . . . to report [content] that may be objectionable or derogatory,” it said, and objectionable statements would be removed.

Around 1% of listings on its site contained objectionable content, it added.

The Council for Estate Agencies (CEA), a government body that regulates the real estate agency industry, has guidelines stating that agents should “advise their clients against placing advertisements that are discriminatory, offensive or stereotyped in nature against any particular race, religion or group in society”.

In a statement, the CEA and the Ministry of National Development said: “We do not condone racial discrimination. There are advertising guidelines in place.

“Some landlords have explained that they face practical considerations renting out their properties, leading to certain requirements in rental transactions.”

The statement added: “The Government will continue educational efforts on the importance of mutual respect to preserve ethnic harmony.”

Prof Tan believes that the discrimination will reduce over time.

“With more apartments coming on stream in the next few years, landlords cannot afford to be so choosey,” he says.

Sunil also believes that views may change over the decades.

“All the landlords who rejected me were from older generations, but I find I’m not treated differently at work, where the people are younger. I think attitudes are changing, it will just take some time.”

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  • Rhialto

    The important question is how can Singaporean Rental Discrimination be blamed on White men. BTW that might make a good PHD thesis in Feminist Ecology.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      White men will always be blamed for racism. Even if the racism has absolutely nothing to do with whites, leftists will always find some way to pin the blame on whites.

    • borogirl54

      No, it is not white men doing the discrimination it is Singaporean Chinese that are refusing to rent to Mainland Chinese and Indians.

      • benvad

        They’ll find some way to implicate us as the “real” culprits of this injustice.

    • IstvanIN

      They were part of the British Empire.

    • T_Losan

      There was a discussion on reddit a while back on rape in India. I wondered to myself how long it would take for someone to blame this on whites. Sure enough, someone managed to do so within the first few comments.

    • HamletsGhost

      Another sorry legacy of white colonialism.
      Done.

    • Chip Carver

      Hilarious sarcasm. The sad thing is that so many of our enemies actually think like this in what passes for the real world these days.

    • FeuerSalamander

      Without white men, there would be no tall apartment buildings nor skyscrapers. Housing would have been at most one to three stories tall. Most chinese would be living in a “four corners house” or “Siheyuan”. All traditional Chinese architecture is built around a shared communal courtyard and almost always consists of single story buildings. The very existence of city blocks that go UP instead of spread OUT , and the resultant rental apartments is something that the white man must be blamed for. The ability to pack incredible numbers of people into a small area and have everything function cleanly, be sanitary and healthy, and be peaceful and pleasant is also something that can only be blamed on the white man. Only after contact with Europeans did the Chinese build multistory dwellings in cities, The famous and charming “Shikumen” houses of old Shangahai. These houses still maintained a courtyard, though much smaller and not nearly as communal as there weren’t as many branches and generations of a family living in one compound or building.

  • Truthseeker

    I’ve heard Singapore touted as the only country where diversity has been successful. I guess this goes to show that even under the surface, people are aware of and concerned about group differences.

    • Oil Can Harry

      The Left also claims that “diversity works in Brazil”.

      In reality, down there the races are at each others’ throats.

      • David Ashton

        Ah, that’s just “vibrancy”.

      • IstvanIN

        Just walk through a favela.

    • David Ashton

      It was pretty well-ordered until Indian cheap labor was imported with consequent crime and rioting.

  • Howard W. Campbell

    Good heavens, where is Obama or Holder so they can address this issue? Is guess Eric Holder is more concerned with adult film stars opening bank accounts. Isn’t Obama ready to read the President of Singapore the riot act?

    Good for Singapore, where it seems they respect the rule of law and private property. My mom had a large house with empty bedrooms that could have been rented out. However, there were a lot of groids in the town where I grew up, and she couldn’t legally discriminate in favor of young single white women that would not be troublemakers. Needless to say, she never rented the rooms.

    • IstvanIN

      People should be allowed peace and quiet in their own home. Gosh, even NJ let currently allows discrimination if you are sharing the living space or the building as three or fewer apartments and the landlord occupies at least one.

      There was an assemblyman who wanted to change the law to a building with two apartments but I don’t think it went through.

  • Tom Thumb

    I’m all for renting to who you want and not renting to who you want, wherever it is on this planet.

    • IstvanIN

      Freedom of association.

      • Lagerstrom

        Yeah…what was that again?

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Singapore is 77% Chinese, 14% Malay, 8% Indian.
    ====
    Demography is destiny. The Chines are utterly unconcerned about western norms of political correctness. That’s according to John Derbyshire, in a conversation I had with him after his presentation on China at this year’s American Renaissance conference.

    • Bartek

      At least they will carry on civilization when we are long gone.

      • IstvanIN

        But not ours, although they will no doubt treat us like we treat the ancient Egyptians, trying to preserve our history, artifacts and writings.

      • FeuerSalamander

        They won’t though. DNA is destiny. The modern world is made by the white man. If the white man disappears then civilization will eventually revert to nothing more advanced than that of the Ching Dynasty, which was basically the same thing as it had been in China for thousands of years. There will be great wars and cataclysms that will set humanity back. How much humanity can recover from these things depends on the natural abilities of the races involved. The Roman and Greek world was much more advanced that most people realize. What never happened in that time was the transformation to industrialization. The technology they had though was not equaled by Europe until the 1800s. It was never equaled by China. China reached a level, which in reality is quite primitive, and remained there. It’s history is a continuous cycle of dynastic rise, decline, wars and new dynasty. Some crude attempts to use technologies when something was accidentally discovered occurred, but many were soon abandoned and forgotten, none were developed beyond the rudest form. The Chinese are fundamentally collectivist. That is how their brains are designed to function. This is why they have, and will voluntarily abandon complex technologies and choose massed manpower instead. Mao’s “Great Leap” was just such an example of this tendency manifesting itself. China has copied the forms of a Western European Industrial country, but it has done so in a way that will prove disastrous for China.

        • Anna Tree

          Great post FeuerSalamander!

          From RobertB

          unamusementpark(dot)com/2012/05/guest-post-what-good-are-white-men-anyway/#comment-23915

          “The Ancient Greeks, followed by the Romans, laid the groundwork–including science, for everything that exists in the modern world that is good. No one, other than Americans, with the invention of the iron girder, has ever surpassed Roman engineering skills–no one. To this day, the ancient dome of the Hagia Sophia remains one the world’s greatest engineering triumphs. Have you any comprehension of what it took to build such a vast, free standing dome? The MATH involved? The fact that, to this very day, we still build them that way? There is an even older one in Rome.”

          Some cultures, i.e. some races, indeed think more about society, while others more about the individual. It seems that here again, N-E Asians are in the first group, blacks in the second and as
          usual whites are (or were!) somewhere in the middle between the two. I think whites have embraced individualism too much in the last decades. The dangers increased because we became also less homogeneous as well and for example trust and unity have decline as a consequence.

          So yes, I don’t think the Chinese will carry on civilization as we did, and unless whites fight back and take back their countries or some of them… who will…

        • captainc

          I think that is too simplistic. Read The Changing Chinese, it is interesting observation.

          • FeuerSalamander

            They are not changing, they are trying to imitate

          • captainc

            well, gunpowder and paper come from the Chinese. Would you say we are trying to imitate too?

  • borogirl54

    I had an Indian co-worker once who moved out of an apartment who told me that even though he and his wife had cleaned the apartment but they were refused their full deposit because of curry smell.

  • dd121

    It’s their country and their property and they can damn well rent to whom they wish. Of course, that isn’t true here in the land of marx.

  • Alexandra1973

    One time we had a man from I think it was India or thereabouts living in the apartment across the hall from us. My husband could not STAND the smell of curry or whatever it was the neighbor was cooking. Nice enough guy…but oh boy!

  • IstvanIN

    “Indians always cook smelly curries”
    A woman I know bought a house from Indians and got it for a good price because of the smell. No matter how much she cleaned, or painted or wallpapered, they could not get the smell out. Eventually her husband replaced all the wall board to finally get rid of the smells.

  • Truth Teller

    The big problem with asians is that you rent a 600 sq ft 2 bedroom apt to 4 college students or a couple with 2 kids and a month later 15 people are living in the apt. Colleges have a lot of problems with this. Asian students often allow other asians to live in their dorm rooms and eat food stolen from the cafeteria. It is a big problem.

    • obot

      I’ve seen that with Mexicans, but not Asians

  • Lagerstrom

    You can count on the BBC to inform you about the most pressing issues affecting humanity!

    • benvad

      White liberals imposing their values on the world. Like that Israeli broad (with nasally Queens accent), helping Europe to adapt to multiculturalism.

      I think we in the west should listen to Singaporean Chinese wisdom of the likes of Lee Kuan Yew.

      • benvad

        “One-man-one-vote is a most difficult form of government.. Results can be erratic.”
        – Lee Kuan Yew, Dec 19 1984

        “If you are a troublemaker…it’s our job to politically destroy you. Put it this way. As long as JB Jeyaretnam stands for what he stands for – a thoroughly destructive force – we will knock him. Everybody knows that in my bag I have a hatchet, and a very sharp one. You take me on, I take my hatchet, we meet in the cul-de-sac.”
        – Lee Kuan Yew, The Man And His Ideas, 1997

        • captainc

          He is no-nonsense leader, I also admire Mahathir Mohammed. He once suprised all world leaders by saying unspeakable, Jews fight their enemies by proxy.

        • benvad

          Like Clint Eastwood or Gene Hackman in Unforgiven ready to kick English Bob’s ass. They really don’t make em like Mr.Lee anymore.

    • benvad

      “Now if democracy will not work for the Russians, a white Christian people, can we assume that it will naturally work with Asians?”
      – Lee Kuan Yew, Asahai Shimbun symposium, May 9, 1991

      “You’re talking about Rwanda or Bangladesh, or Cambodia, or the Philippines. They’ve got democracy, according to Freedom House. But have you got a civilised life to lead? People want economic development first and foremost. The leaders may talk something else. You take a poll of any people. What is it they want? The right to write an editorial as you like? They want homes, medicine, jobs, schools.”
      – Lee Kuan Yew, The Man and His Ideas, 1997

  • Bartek

    Most countries are far more sensible than the present day USA.
    Used to be a time when Americans had private property rights too.
    Wonder what happened to that concept?

    • benvad

      It was replaced by section 8 housing.

  • MBlanc46

    Maybe Sunil should just go back to Ceylon. Why does he think he has the right to live in Singapore?

  • Mrfinoni

    I have worked for a few contractors years ago painting apartments. In Toronto where we have hundreds of thousands of Asians I have personally experienced the smell of curries that overwhelm the entire building. It is grossly unfair to the other tenants, and I personally like curry. Additionally the south Asians totally violate the landlord agreement by pouring their relatives in small apartments, dramatically increasing the density and wear and tear on the building. Most of the time the Whites just leave. I know a few who lost money on a condo investment. you cant control who the other owners rent to. Asians do not play by the same rules. And a good chunk of them are on social assistance in this country. Likewise I have seen some of the side streets in Toronto’s ‘heralded’ Chinatown. The Chinese neighbourhoods are not that well kept.

    • FeuerSalamander

      I like curry too, but that doesn’t mean I like my living space saturated with the smell, 24 hours a day.

  • Brian Cooper

    I am on the Executive Committee of a Strata Plan for a block of 100 apartments. Over the past 5 years, the residents have become more and more diverse (not harmonious) and it is absolutely true what has been said about Indians and their curry smells. We have one level here which is inhabited entirely with Indians, and the smell is nauseating whenever I have to go to their level, especially in the evenings. Whenever owners on that level want to sell, it is only other Indians who purchase. We have had problems with Arabs and their cooking smells etc. We had one tenant who used to set off the fire alarms whenever she cooked one particular dish. The smell from her cooking would have been enough to knock out an elephant. We solved the problem by passing onto them the cost of a false alarm which the Fire Brigade billed the Strata for. If the Firies identified the apartment as the cause of the alarm, then we sent them the bill and at around $1250 per false alarm, the tenants decided to move out rather than paying for more false alarms.

    We also had a problem with our car parking. Each apartment had a certain number of allocated car parking spaces, but for some reason, some of the residents felt it was OK to bring in more cars than they had allocated spaces, so they parked wherever they found an empty car space, regardless of the other residents. We also found that people were parking there during the day when they went to work. Our property is right in the middle of town, so is very close to all businesses in town. People were able to buy a remote control for $70 and encode it with the correct code and they had full access, knowing full well that we couldn’t legally either tow or clamp their vehicles. We we powerless to stop this. In fact, the law prevented the authorities from even telling us who was the registered owner of the vehicle.

    We tried everything to stop people from doing this, but we couldn’t stop them. One one occasion, I was in the car park and a woman was parking three vehicles there, and I knew she only had one car space. First, she tried the ‘no speaka da english’, then she said she thought it OK to do this on the weekends.

    The asians were the worst. They are sneaky and tell lies. Arabs are not far behind them. We put bollards in to stop parking in dangerous areas but they still parked in the no parking zones and other peoples car parks.

    Finally, we had to spend approx $140,000 and put in a top of the range key fob system where the key fobs can’t be copied in Chinatown. If an owner or resident only had one car park, the only received one key fob to open the garage door, and if they had either 2 or 4 allocated car parks, they only received the appropriate number of key fobs. Once the system was turned on, we just sat back and waited.

    All the phone calls and emails we received from people complaining about the new system were from ethnics who had previously been abusing the system. They were angry because they could no longer do what they had been getting away with for years. We took back control. We locked down the whole complex with a keyless system, and people could no longer roam about the complex freely. If we received any trouble from a resident, we simply deactivated their key fobs which made their lives difficult. They couldn’t get through the front door until another resident opened the door, nor could they use the lifts. They had to walk up the fire stairs. It didn’t take long for these people to modify their behaviours within the complex.

    The people who we have found to be the worst at abusing the system have been Arabs/Muslims, Chinese and the occasional Indian or Pakistani. We are starting to get a few of the boat people who scammed their way into Australia, and they can be a bit of trouble. Their problems seem to be that they have come from Third World hell holes and simply don’t know how to live in a First World society. These people can be very dirty and we do our best to get them to move out and rent somewhere else.

    I fully agree with what the Singaporean landlords are doing. Why should a property owner have to take the risk of renting to people who they don’t want in their properties?

    Over here, we just have to be more subtle about what we do.

  • Ian Schmidt

    This is not really a racial thing. After all Singapore has a Chinese majority, and a significant South Asian population. Its more ‘culturalist’ discrimination —the type we use to have against Italians and Irish. Also a matter of relatively poor people with poor hygiene habits (PRC, India etc) coming to live in a first world environment (Singapore).

    If we were to suddenly transport 16th Century Londoners into a developed Western country there would also be settling in problems – but these would be resolved in a generation or two.

    • benvad

      Romanian Gypsy in England are a relevant and comparable example at this moment.

    • FeuerSalamander

      I have to admit that the smell of boiled corned beef and cabbage is not something you want permeating the walls either.

      • captainc

        Indian spices are really strong, and this shows in their smell either.

  • MBlanc46

    I do not think or imply any such thing. Let the Singaporeans do whatever they want. I merely expressed curiosity as to why Sunil thinks he should have the right to live in Singapore. Perhaps you’re not a fluent reader of English and you failed to grasp the meaning of my comment.

    • Isuru

      He has a right to live there because he qualified for a Singapore EP(Employment Pass) – i.e he has skills/qualifications which are required by a Singapore firm which can not be found locally.

      • MBlanc46

        That is not stated in the article.

        • Isuru

          Your respone reveals that you are an idiot who understands nothing about Singapore. EP is the mechanism for work permits for professionals in Singapore.

          Singapore has a very selective migration policy where by the Ministry of Manpower only allows in those who will be positive towards GDP.

          I am a UK expat living in Singapore working for a British firm. There are 45 Brits here. No Western firm would base themselves here unless the government allowed then to bring in qualified people – hence the EP system for engineers, accountants, etc.

          • MBlanc46

            Name calling. The last resort of those bested in argument.

          • Isuru

            Sorry, if I hurt your feelings, but the point stills stands and you continue to show no understanding on how Singapore attracts economic growth. Both your replies have been reactionary and not uninsightful.

            I have given two clear responses to your question “Why does he think he has the right to live in Singapore?” to which you are as yet unable to respond intelligently.

            Can you reply back with either a.) you now understand sovereign governments can grant Sunil the right to live and work in their country or b.) you still don’t understand and need further clarification.

  • Jon Doe

    1. “no Indians, no PRCs
    2. “Singapore is an ethnically diverse nation, consisting of 74% Chinese, 13% Malay, 9% Indian and 3%”
    Realtors and Landlords refuse to rent to 83% of the population? Did I miss something? One can tell mainland Chinese from….???

    • benvad

      Very big difference between a British dominated cultural Chinese and Mainland China. Take HK Chinese are much better behaved than Chinese.

      I think if their island is further away from the continent, the better they act.

      • benvad

        Sunil are you back already?

        • FeuerSalamander

          Sunil is Linus spelled backwards. Do you think he has a friend named Nworb Eilrahc and a sister named Ycul?

          • benvad

            Touché.

  • mikefromwichita

    Stereotypes ALWAYS have a basis in Fact.

  • benvad

    Ain’t that the truth. Singapore a land were PC talk hasn’t poisoned people’s
    way of thinking.

    • benvad

      Even here in Japan if I relapse into that ingrained liberal thought they look at me as if I’m a space alien if I mention that a Canadian can be non white! They think I’m joking, I guess I am the nutcase for even suggesting that!

  • benvad

    Is this Sunil?

    • benvad

      Sunil don’t get so angry! Mel Blanc was just expressing his opinion.
      Now that’s all folks.

      • captainc

        It’s not Sunil but his folks or kin…they are everywhere acting as a fifth column in democracy.

  • captainc

    I think you are a d u m b f u c k marxist or asian. This is Singaporean Chinese complain the fresh off boats Chinese / Indians.

    • Jon Doe

      “I think you are a d u m b f u c k marxist or asian.”

      So.. If I have a difference of opinion/view of things you do not agree with, I therefore.. must be “dumb”, “marxist” or “Asian”?? Really? God forbid I disagree, I will never question or oppose anyone of anything ever again. (you know.. because that b Marxist n stuff)
      Apparently common sense eludes you, clearly one can tell the difference from a civilized Chinese/Indian from those savage wild ones from the “Mainland” smh…

      • captainc

        Yes, you are dumb, it is not about difference in opinion, you don’t know Singapore and Singaporeans, and interestingly, it is Chinese majority, so of course, they could tell whether the man is FOB Chinaman or Singaporean, because it exists and they don’t want FOBs. I don’t know what your ethnicity is or where you are from, but I believe you have been living in an eggshell far too long.

        • Jon Doe

          Listen to how you sound in your head when you read your own response.. Seriously..
          It is sad that you really believe in your own opinion,
          so.. blindly ignorant, you even wrote “I don’t know what your ethnicity is or where you are from” ???

          How and why would that be of any relevance? (This is called bigot ignorance) Hi, my name is Jon, I am white, I am a conservative, I love my people, I love my heritage, I am an American, I have traveled all over the world and yes I have witness first hand “exotic and savage” culture.
          I was on a subway in Moscow, I witnessed civilized and polite Russian skinheads “savagely” beat an Indian boy right in front of me. The Indian boy appeared to be a professional/student of some sort, (well dressed, case/bag etc.) The civilized skinheads kick the boy in face while he was sitting down. This savage Indian was guilty of causing no disturbance and minding his business. The polite and caring skinhead recorded the assault with a phone and laughed hysterically. There were people on the train as well and no “civilized” white Russian came to aid or at the very least stop the beating of this kid. Obviously for an American it is not wise to challenge skinhead in enclosed quarters on their land. The best I could do was try to calm them in hopes to end the assault, It worked but not without 1 more kick to the face.
          There.. Happy.. do I have White Credibility now? Do you approve my Whiteness? (You accuse, you judge, you oppress, insult and condemn a man all based on your own opinions, yet… I am the Marxist?) People like you is what is holding the movement and preservation of my people back.

          • captainc

            No, John or whatever. You were observing something evil indeed but you missed the cause, seeing the tree (individual) but not the forest (general population, the stereotype), there are many things ongoing on air between native Russians and ex-Soviet nationals from the south. I believe last time they beheaded an Azebaijani in a forest with a knive (there is a video of it circulating in the internet), They accuse the ex-Soviet citizens of rape, thief, etc.They believe in attack-first-question-later principle. They perhaps mistook Indians for darker ex-Soviet nationals from -stans. Still, foreigner is foreigner, and they were nationalists.

            I had been in Singapore, living there, and I know what Singaporean Chinese talk about their mainland Chinese. You can tell apart, mainland Chinese look better sometimes because they are from the North (not always), bigger body but they have questionable hygiene (I saw one of them spitting inside the airport) and screaming, This was the behavior of their forefathers, before Lee Kuan Yew imposed fines on everything disgusting and un-western. Have you heard the behavior of Chinese tourists all over the world? Even a boutique in Paris bans them for visiting.

            So, I know you are being stupid, you are not Chinese, therefore, you couldn’t tell them apart. But Singaporeans, more importantly Chinese Singaporeans could tell which one is Singaporean (Chinese, Indian) or non-Singaporean.

      • benvad

        Yes

  • FeuerSalamander

    maybe the average Indian can not cook good Indian food and covers it up with an overabundance of spices.

    • captainc

      Hmm, I did that sometimes.. you got me 😀

  • FeuerSalamander

    You mean there is something wrong with millions bathing in the Ganges when it is basically a sewer for those upstream?

  • captainc

    How about Australia, USA and NZ as well :p

  • captainc

    GM, I think you’d be surprised that Indonesian and Eurasian refugees in Netherlands in 1950s would get berated by the native Dutch for taking too many showers, especially in winter. Dutch then didn’t take their showers daily.

    And also why the Jews survived the black plague while the Gentiles didn’t in Europe.

  • benvad

    Maybe your right but the one thing I do know is that I’ve witnessed Chinese from all of those countries eat. Regardless of the places they come from the commonality is their atrocious table manners.

    It’s like seeing a horror movie and iron chef at the same time!

  • benvad

    Well the people who vite in the Singaporean dictator are saying they don’t want Indians or PRCs in their neighborhood. That’s why their discriminating. Get it?