Meet the Dark Enlightenment: Sophisticated Neo-Fascism That’s Spreading Fast on the Net

Jamie Bartlett, Telegraph (London), January 20, 2014

Since 2012 a sophisticated but bizarre online neo-fascist movement has been growing fast. It’s called “The Dark Enlightenment”. Its modus operandi is well suited to today’s world. Supporters are dotted all over the world, connected via a handful of blogs and chat rooms. Its adherents are clever, angry white men patiently awaiting the collapse of civilisation, and a return to some kind of futuristic, ethno-centric feudalism.

It started, suitably enough, with two blogs. Mencius Moldbug, a prolific blogger and computer whizz from San Francisco, and Nick Land, an eccentric British philosopher (previously co-founder of Warwick University’s Cybernetic Culture Research Unit) who in 2012 wrote the eponymous “The Dark Enlightenment”, as a series of posts on his site. You can find them all here. 

The philosophy, difficult to pin down exactly, is a loose collection of neo-reactionary ideas, meaning a rejection of most modern thinking: democracy, liberty, and equality. Particular contempt is reserved for democracy, which Land believes “systematically consolidate[s] and exacerbate[es] private vices, resentments, and deficiencies until they reach the level of collective criminality and comprehensive social corruption.”

The neo-fascist bit lies in the view that races aren’t equal (they obsess over IQ testing and pseudo science that they claim proves racial differences, like the Ku Klux Klan) and that women are primarily suited for domestic servitude. They call this “Human biodiversity”–a neat little euphemism. This links directly to their desire to be rid of democracy: because if people aren’t equal, why live in a society in which everyone is treated equally? Some races are naturally better to rule than others, hence their support for various forms of aristocracy and monarchy (and not in the symbolic sense but the very real divine-right-of-kings-sense).

The whole bankrupt edifice, they think, is maintained by what they call “The Cathedral” (what conspiracy theorists call the New World Order): a cabal of universities, newspapers, and establishment values which perpetuate the status quo and prevent dissent.

Whenever someone is arrested for a racist tweet, it is taken as proof that the Cathedral is pulling strings. You become darkly enlightened when you start to see these constructs for what they really are: modern atrocities that go against the natural order of things which must be torn down. It’s all a little bit like the movie The Matrix (and indeed some adherents refer to the Red and Blue Pill scene, in which the protagonist if offered a choice between blissful ignorance and painful reality).

So how many have been enlightened? No one knows, but unlikely to be many. Yet. There is certainly a growing interest in this type of rejectionist philosophy and politics. As I argue in a forthcoming essay for the think-tank IPPR, radical anti-establishment politics of all shades are on the rise, driven by a growing belief (and surveys bear this out) that our current way of doing things–our parliamentary system, our judicial system, our economic system–don’t work.

While researching my book about internet subcultures, I’ve bumped into plenty of online movements that reject democracy, believe in racial superiority and fantasise about a purer more “natural” life before the French Revolution or the Normans came along and ruined everything.

The internet has transformed the ability of niche movements to gain support across the world: already the Dark Enlightenment has picked up interest from the bigger (though still tiny) New Right and other reactionary neo-fascist movements. By bringing together diverse elements of alternative Right-wing and fantastical rejection of the system into a single political philosophy for internet intellectuals, this could well grow. I’ll be keeping an eye on them, and report back here with any interesting developments as they happen.

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  • dd121

    I don’t know about the Dark Enlightenment but this guy certainly lives in a fantasy world if he believes half of what he just put in print.

    • Max Krakah

      white ten year olds can read cursive, nuff said

      • dd121

        This guy’s description is just a stick-man caricature of people who are opposed to the marxist destroyers of our civilization.

        • gemjunior

          Good description. The truth is that idiots like him are pain to make sure everyone stays dumb. So he writes an article charging as laughably stupid anyone who suspects all isn’t well. It’s not working, everyone knows what’s up.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    I read a lot of Dark Enlightenment blogs. They’re pretty good except they don’t criticize the tribe enough. I think neoreaction is a bit better than The European and American New Right in terms of theory.

    Besides the race and gender difference issue, there is a real problem with democracy that even some on here usually miss. Democracy is also a big part of the egalitarian problem. It empowers low IQ, high time preference people and destroys high culture and virtue via prole drift. The forces of egalitarianism shift give more power and influence to the masses which are stupid and the elites follow right behind due to the human need to be inclusive. This combined with capitalism lead to mediocrity and cultural decline.

    • Spartacus

      I agree that the current political system is a problem, but it would be wrong to call it Democracy . Democracy, when it was founded in ancient Greece, relied first and foremost on personal responsability, which is why only men who owned land were allowed to vote. They decided whether the city went to war or not because THEY were the ones who would’ve fought it. They decided how big the taxes were, and what they were going to be spent on because THEY were the ones paying them, and so forth …

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        Yeah and democracy in Greece pretty much destroyed itself (it was only practiced in some areas and was vastly different than modern Democracy). Big problem with it is that more localized and or constrained forms of Democracy pretty much always evolve into what we currently have.

        But i do think that form of democracy is better than what we currently have. Democracy works better at a smaller scale like that without the vast unaccountable unelected bureaucracy.

        • Jesse James

          The Federal bureaucracy is probably the worst and least accountable part of our government. Unelected, unaccountable, impossible to fire, and worst of all organized into Public Sector unions that allow them to loot the treasury. Add to that the fact that Federal diversity hiring had destroyed the old merit system where testing was actually rigorous and allowed incompetence and racial spoils to rule the day and you have a perfect disaster. Nothing short of a complete dissolution of the current government will rid us of this parasitical infection.

      • So CAL Snowman

        100% agreement. The lefties throw the word “democracy” out there so often that it has lost its originally intended meaning, never mind the fact that the United States is a Constitutional Republic NOT a democracy. For the lefties the word “democracy” simply means NO WHITE POWER. To lefties the word “democracy” also means a Western nation replete with multiculturalism and diversity. “Democracy” is synonymous with marxism because it seeks to give the power to the people (the black and brown people) which is what the lefties want. I would bet my last dollar that lefties do not believe democracy is possible without racial diversity. It’s just a horrifying inversion of the English language that they use to destroy us.

        • jeffaral

          If you would replace “lefties” with “conservatives” your argument would still be correct. The lefties suck, the conservatives even more!

        • Brian

          The other irritating aspect of ‘democracy’ is the ‘Harrison Bergeron’ effect– because we’re supposed to be equal under the law and have a chance to rise or fall on merit, somehow we get the insane idea that everyone’s opinion is equally valid and expertise is an illusion.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        “democracy”
        What a useless word in the modern context. The only way we will be able to implement something resembling a responsible “democracy” we will need a period of “Dark Enlightenment” followed by a period of “cleaning up the mess”.

    • BillMillerTime

      “This combined with capitalism …”

      What do you mean? Do you mean private property? Freedom of association? Freedom of contract? Don’t just say “capitalism.” Tell us precisely what you mean.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        Just the general freedom to make voluntary transactions. Unless it’s subservient to higher values, it will just lead to destructive hedonism among other things.

        While i believe that the government is too big and bureaucratic, i don’t believe in that sort of natural rights “muh freedoms” classical liberalism. I don’t believe in non-aggression or any of that nonsense either. I also believe that too much individualism is harmful.

        • BillMillerTime

          I don’t understand what you are saying.
          What do you mean by “too much individualism”?

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            Too much focus on individual rights, autonomy, happiness, etc and not on the greater good for society or virtue.

            Freedom should be infringed upon when it significantly conflicts with the stability of a society.

          • BillMillerTime

            There’s nothing particularly moral about the state. The state is violence. Here’s what you’re saying: “I don’t like how other people are leading their lives, therefore I want the state to impose my will on them.” You dress it up in terms of “virtue,” but there’s nothing at all virtuous about it. You’re basically a fascist, right?

          • Max Krakah

            Sophistry, PURE sophistry. The state is nothing more than a reflection of the society, a society always has values and norms. People can not all live solely governed by their own desires, they need to be responsible and consider the effect of their actions on others or society will not function. They need to submit their wills and egos to a higher purpose, This is what distinguishes whites from blacks, it is called maturity, Whites develop in this fashion at around age eleven. That is when this consciousness starts to dawn on them. Without this submission to a greater purpose than mere self gratification then one has a jungle..There will be anarchy and violence. Happiness for a mature adult is not the ultimate goal, being and living correct is

          • BillMillerTime

            “The state is nothing more than a reflection of the society…” No, the state is merely a group of people – politicians and bureaucrats lusting for power – exercising a monopoly on the initiation of violence within a certain geographic area. I’m going to quote Lew Rockwell here from his recent book, Fascism vs. Capitalism. “All social theory can be reduced to two categories: those that conceive
            of society as the result of peace, and those for which the indispensable
            ingredient is violence.” If you are a liberal, a communist, or some variety of socialist, then you worship at the altar of state power and fantasize about pushing people around.

          • Max Krakah

            people get the government they deserve

          • Sick of it

            You must not read the news if you think this is a peaceful society.

          • BillMillerTime

            I never said that we lived in a peaceful society, or a free society.

          • Sick of it

            Funny thing about what you just said is that that is how our people lived in this country (by choice) until the 20th century. To a certain extent, until the 1960s and 70s.

            Today, we have an extreme minority enforcing its will upon the vast majority, using the United States military and vast armies of police as a bludgeon if anyone gets uppity. So what kind of country do you want? Obviously not what we’ve got.

          • Brian

            Is jury duty fascist? Where do you draw the line on this?

          • Max Krakah

            Freedom used to have strict limits. Porn was illegal, cross dressing in public was illegal, copulation outside of marriage was illegal, all that is just for starters. Then we also have the fact that voting was originally restricted to white land owners. Freedom has been the trojan horse that has been used to destroy a great race and a great country.

          • BillMillerTime

            I’m more concerned by the human wreckage left behind in the wake of the state’s activities.

            “copulation outside of marriage was illegal,”

            And you dream of making fornication a crime? You really are a fascist.

          • Max Krakah

            it was up to a very short time ago

          • Alexandra1973

            Look what’s happened since the stigma’s been pretty much removed from it. More and more babies born out of wedlock, which means their homes won’t be stable.

            The family is the building block of society. Once it goes, society goes. The liberals know that. In fact the feminists have even stated that they want to destroy the family. Satanist Aleister Crowley said the same.

            That’s why they promote hedonism. It creates chaos.

          • Lagerstrom

            That hedonism plan sure is working!

          • Alexandra1973

            Basically to these guys “freedom” means “hedonism,” in a nutshell.

            They whine about bad language being censored…you know what, that’s not a violation of freedom of speech. You should be able to give your opinion without using profanity.

          • Lagerstrom

            Freedom does indeed equal hedonism. The only freedom that ‘free’ people seem to be concerned with is ‘free’ access to drugs and pornography.

          • Brian

            Would you favor a draft, either military or for some general public service, for all young people? It would impinge upon individual liberty, almost to the point of ‘indentured servitude’, but could also bind a society together with an experience that all citizens, regardless of station, would have in common, instilling a sense of sacrifice and purpose to the greater good and such.

      • SoulInvictus

        Vulture capitalism, monopoly, celebretized consumerism, and parasitic lending=our current form of capitalism. Freedom of association would also mean unions, which we don’t have or are highly discouraged against. This business model in cooperation with corporate pursuit of third world labor is not ever going to lead to success for any but the international bankers.
        It’s neo-feudalism under the guise of capitalism.
        Global “free market capitalism” does not benefit first world countries.

        • BillMillerTime

          Forgive me, my training is in economics. Terms such as “vulture capitalism,” “celebretized consumerism” and “parasitic lending” are not serous critical categories. They actually sound like the kinds of things you might read in some pamphlet prodced by the Socialist Workers Party. Care to distinguish between “parasitic” lending and other types of lending? What makes it “parasitic”? 3% APR? 13%? 30%

          As for monopolies, they are entirely creations of the state. They simply do not exist in a free market economy.

          As for unions, I was unaware that “we don’t have [them]’ or that they “are highly discouraged.” Is there some law that prevents you from forming or joining a union?

          “Global ‘free market capitalism’ does not benefit first world countries.” Oh really? I rather enjoy such commodities as coffee and petroleum every morning. And you think that trade among nations is bad? That is somehow hurts poor people?

          • SoulInvictus

            My training isn’t in economics (aside from a few courses in college), but I have sense enough to recognize a raw deal when I see it. So sure, I’d be happy to address the valid points you raised.

            ” Terms such as “vulture capitalism,” “celebretized consumerism” and “parasitic lending” are not serous critical categories.”

            I disagree.
            Vulture capitalism, such as outsourcing almost an entire nations manufacturing sector (stupidly since the workers constituted a large portion of the consumer base) in favor of peasant labor. Demolishing the middle class here and opportunity of upward mobility. Then outsourcing the IT and tech support industry in favor of cheap third world Indian labor. Then paying the remaining store jobs a slave wage while reaping the windfall profits off the third world goods. And then hiding as much of the loot offshore as possible to further avoid any domestic tax responsibility that might benefit those impacted.
            It’s unpatriotic at best and vulture-like at worst.
            I don’t lay this solely at the feet of big business, government has played its role.

            Celebretized consumerism. What else would you call the never ending bombardment of marketing and social pressure for people to buy what they don’t need and can’t afford. Couple that with…

            Parasitic lending, and you have disastrous results. Several generations of easy credit that allow people to get mired far beyond their ability to repay, ever, equals debt slavery. Credit cards, payday loans, title loans, mortgages people never should have been approved for, spiking interest rates and fees once you miss a payment that would make a loan shark blush…
            it never ends. Having been on the recieving end of it, it is ridiculous how the credit card companies will not work with you, at all, oh… until you’ve defaulted and incurred massive fees and compounded increased interest rates on top of it.

            Now add on top of that, once you’ve fallen into that trap, it can eliminate you from being hired for many of the few decent jobs left that would enable you to repay, because your credit is either trashed or shows a bankruptcy.

            “As for monopolies, they are entirely creations of the state. They simply do not exist in a free market economy.”

            And you say your background is economics… that statement makes me doubt that. Why were anti-trust regulations needed then?
            It is the natural tendency of businesses to grow, collude, merge, absorb or eliminate competitors, etc. Monopoly is what every business, ever, desires and strives towards. Growing your market share until you dominate the market, or own it completely, then diversifying to the next game.

            “As for unions, I was unaware that “we don’t have [them]’ or that they
            “are highly discouraged.” Is there some law that prevents you from
            forming or joining a union?”

            Right to work states, and businesses in general, are very anti-union because organized labor is not desirable for management. Union membership has declined by 8.8% since 1983 and now constitutes only 11.3% of the workforce.

            Private-sector workers only 6.6 percent.
            It isn’t workers making that happen.

            “”Global ‘free market capitalism’ does not benefit first world countries.” Oh really? ”

            No, it doesn’t. My best comparison for this is to imagine any other country in western civilization trying to compete in cotton production during the era of slavery.
            Except now, it’s every product, and it’s our people trying to compete with third world child, peasant, and political prisoner labor.
            There is no way you can compete with that and maintain the standard of living desired by even modest Americans.
            Buying a home, paying cash for a new car, sending kids to college without massive debt, are becoming relics unfamiliar to the current generation when only a short time ago, it was within reach of most Americans.
            So, yes, it hurts poor people (I’m thinking it’s been a while, if ever, since you were poor.)
            Cheap third world crap on demand isn’t any consolation when jobs are few, pay crap, and onerous debt is chaining you down.

          • Sick of it

            We had things like coffee and bananas while also having plenty of jobs for Americans. While also keeping factories in America open. Now those factories and jobs are gone. Now people cannot afford the over-priced coffee. Your POV is pure b.s.

          • BillMillerTime

            I am glad that we are free not to buy that overpriced crap coming out of Detroit. I am glad that we can buy higher quality automobiles for less money produced in other places. The US auto makers, under pressure from unions, priced themselves out of the market. Too bad for them.

            I am glad that we in Texas (and much of the South) are free not to join a labor union as a condition of employment. Why the hell should I? My labor is my own. I should not have to join from cartel in order to sell my own labor.

            German workers are among the highest paid workers in the world; and yet they continue to trade with countries all over the globe. They have not adopted the kind of protectionist policies that several here apparently support. Free trade is good. Hume, Smith and Ricardo proved this centuries ago.

            A monopoly is impossible in a free market. It requires state intervention. We no longer live in a free society.

            There are plenty of American factories open; they have been moving to the South.

            Countries with free market economies do astoundingly well.

            Suggested reading: George Reisman, Capitalism: A Treatise on Economics (2012).

            “Now people cannot afford the over-priced coffee.”

            You seriously believe that? Folgers sells coffee to consumer for $3.26 PER POUND.

            There is incredible ignorance of basic economics here on AmRen.

          • Brian

            I should not have to join from cartel in order to sell my own labor.

            ===
            Because without the ‘cartel’, you can negotiate just fine with General Motors, by your lonesome. Just call up the CEO and have a chat about working conditions…

            As an IT worker in the south, I would like some ‘cartel’ on my side to push back against the Zuckerbergs and their H-1B madness.

          • BillMillerTime

            Compare the economic growth of the right-to-work states with economic performance of the closed shop states.

            ‘Nuff said.

      • M&S

        Capitalism: The use of debt leveraged monetary systems of coinvestment to finance ideas which are then exploited into systems of control whose dominance by the few leads to exploitation of the many.
        Nominally this is done through joint ownership of risk in trading companies but it ultimately falls down on the principle of ‘Capitalis’ (Latin, From The Head) or my favorite: ‘Caput’ (The Head) which should tell you all about how it’s originally intended to work.
        A man walks into a medieval village square and calls out: “Because of my religious affiliation*, I am looking for good ideas to invest in. Anyone who has an idea, come to me!”
        And so a man who wanted to run an Inn suggests that more road traffic would stop at the crossroads if there was something to eat and a bed to sleep in. And another man suggests that an inn without a farrier is a horse without fresh shoes. And another thinks that a farrier needs a smith. And another that a the whole lot of them will be eating wormy rabbits if there isn’t a mill to grind the grist that makes good bread in a bakery.
        And each gets their money but the stranger doesn’t pay /everything/ on their investment, he only pays a fractional amount of it on a weekly payment schedule. Which leaves more left to be ‘invested’ in other businesses. In turn, he demands a piece of the weekly action which he in turn uses a part of to pay their debts.
        And then he ruins the action by causing the value of the money and it’s circulation to become restricted which sends inflation soaring and nobody can buy anything. If he’s half the devil he sounds, maybe he starts a war to reduce trade along the roads too.
        And buried deep within the loan contract is a small print item which says: “And if you fail to make payment, for two weeks, I own everything.”
        And so by collapsing the inflated market which he helped to create, he ends up being, not an investor, but the owner.
        The owners of America have long since realized one key element of wealth building and that is that you don’t get filthy bleeping rich by doing work. You get rich by owning the /processes/ by which work provides useful goods and services and then -taxing- those who do the work, for the privilege.
        The Head gets bigger. The body gets smaller. Until the rich own everything.
        In the modern condition, capitalism is modified by the word ‘distributionist’ because capitalism distributes jobs to those who will work for slave wages in trade for the right to create more jobs to ship resources to the slaves for fabrication into parts for manufactured goods and then from the slaves to the market.
        Every process waste that they can add ‘as an extra step’ of thermodynamic inefficiency then becomes a company whose investment makes them personally richer.
        It’s not about levering up the world to our level. Oh no. It’s always about ‘more room at the top’ so the head can indulge in ever greater feats of macro-cephaly. Like a bloated tick. Fed on the lifeblood of the society they were slowly killing.
        A smart society would recognize that progression from labor to ownership was limited by the starting size of the population gene pool as time indexed starting point for building the wealth and not allow a wealth class to ever have more than they needed to be comfortable via a one-time payment for any creative act and fixed salaries for management.
        So that at least if they did no further work, the value of what they owned could not be used as a lever of control and gaming theory to channel ever more dominance over the currency which allowed them to ‘invest’ outside their racial bond group.
        In this, Marx was right. Social Mobility after the Industrial Age is largely an illusion and if so, it should apply equally to the filthy rich as to the enfeebled masses who made them that way.
        Robotics could change all of this by allowing common men who knew how to do specific work to own the /labor/ rather than the processes by which to bring control back to the effectors and away from the bankers.
        But such an invention would require that the rich disenfranchise themselves from the process ownership system (stock-ades and bond-age, it’s an in joke) to return control to the working classes and so it will never happen.
        Because ‘capital’ means not just /from/ the head. But for it. Everything.
        (*Templar of course, you racist! 🙂

        • BillMillerTime

          >And then he ruins the action by causing the value of the money and it’s
          circulation to become restricted which sends inflation soaring and
          nobody can buy anything.<

          Really? Actually, the opposite is inflationary. Printing up more currency causes prices to rise.

          That's quite an active imagination you have. (My polite way of calling you a kook.)

          • M&S

            No.
            In a medieval village, if you pulled gold from circulation, because it had been devalued by contamination with base metals, prices continued to go -up- because nobody trusted the value of money until a new coin of the realm was issued and that new money only further depreciated the value of the old one which meant that prices stayed high because the exchange rate of moneys was such that people _could not_ afford to sustain commerce.
            People have this false assumptive notion that constriction of money’s causes prices to plummet to meet a lowered demand. No, it does not. Because retailers of all sorts have a base vestment in their existing inventories as service delivery plans, below which it doesn’t profit them to go, simply to buy more stuff whose price has not also gone down, relative to the home market.
            Eventually these retail/service providers go broke and their liquidation profits those who caused the recessive currency collapse by constricting the currency, not by extending it.
            It is blatantly false to assume otherwise.
            Which is where ‘the business cycle’ doesn’t cause temporary resets in market economies, it crushes them flat with mercantile tactics designed to induce recession into depression so that independent economic classes become dependent on supply of services and goods from hugely centralized institutions which are, again, owned by those who control currency.
            The efficiencies of scale inherent to small business (lean) practices are used to hook a market and then, once the market is ripe, it is ‘captured’ by tearing down the small business owners and replacing them, literally ‘wholesale’, by their suppliers.
            The truly powerful can control this from all three sides of the market complex now: Overseas manufacture (beyond U.S. regulation of monopoly and business practices); Monetary (creating and depressing currency value by constricting interest rates as much as circulation); and Distribution (which runs the gamut from on-time delivery to venue costs as real estate).
            We are in a hellish position and it is all down to the action of less than 2% of the worlds richest playing mind games with what people /think/ are the economic freedoms of the market.
            There is no market. There never was. That has been the object of the game all along.
            A kook I may be, my understanding of economics is mine to own, with or without your endorsement.

    • tetrapod

      Mencius Moldbug, the chief articulator of the DA, has a Jewish father. Hence the absence of any criticism along that line. He also dismisses the work of Kevin MacDonald, essentially implying KM cherry picked the data for “Culture of Critique”.

    • Brian

      The Kardashian Effect?

  • IstvanIN

    hence their support for various forms of aristocracy and monarchy (and not in the symbolic sense but the very real divine-right-of-kings-sense).

    1) The divine right of kings held little support and only for a brief period of time.
    2) Current race-realists do not support the return of a powerful hereditary aristocracy.
    3) We would be better off with a hereditary head of state who could put the brakes on most of the nutty, and dangerous, ideas our “democratically” elected officials have foisted on us.
    4) The majority is not always right.
    5) Most people mistake democracy with universal suffrage. You can have one without the other.
    6) Equality under the law and equality of results are two different ideas. Most intelligent people have no problem with the law being applied equally. Expecting equal outcomes among the races and sexes, however, is a fools errand.
    7) 20th century notions of equality are destructive.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      I take issue with some of that.
      1. The divine right of kings has existed for thousands of years. Much longer than any democracy.
      2. That’s true (there are a few exceptions),
      but that’s an argument from popularity. Most race realists are still slaves to popular opinion and whig history on most issues.
      3 and 4. I agree
      5. Democracies will naturally progress towards universal suffrage because politicians want more votes.
      6.
      Equality under the law makes little sense when you consider mental inequality. We don’t treat children the same because of mental inequality and I think the same should apply to adults. In a Democratic system, there will be a tendency to drift towards equality of results unless you use power to suppress them (which is authoritarian and undemocratic)
      7. Agree

      • IstvanIN

        1)The “divine right of kings” where the King was only answerable to God had its adherents on and off, but was never as strong as people seem to think.
        5) That maybe true, although they could just electioneer among those eligible to vote. The Swiss didn’t give women the right to vote until 1971. Of course if you can not get the current electorate to vote for you, elect a new people! Then their are the politicians who court people who will never vote for them, such as Republicans for Hispanic votes, especially illegals, which never ceases to amaze me. They have “dissed” the backbone of the party for a fantasy.
        6) No equal rights for children, the insane and criminals I assumed was a given. However one set of rules for the average adult is ultimately fair. One speed limit, or voting qualifications, or qualifications for entering the military, or for the entering into or enforcement of contracts etc. should be a given. I do believe in some common sense differences in treatment between men and women. But then common sense rarely prevails these days, does it?

    • Jesse James

      No sane nation would allow people on welfare to vote themselves more and more slop from the public trough. Combine that with all the so called compassionate assistance in the form of EBT, WIC and a hundred other programs designed to turn poor single mothers into breeders of an angry and useless ever growing underclass and you have the perfect political example of a runaway loop.

      • dd121

        The Founders knew this was the biggest danger to this form of government. Politicians just can’t resist buying votes with other peoples money. It will be our ultimate doom.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    I love how the author lists the beliefs about human biodiversity, and then dismisses them as “bankrupt”. Generally when you see an intellectually dishonest liberal dismiss valid points with just one word, that word is “racist”.

    • frederickdixon

      Unless I misread the article, I don’t think the author was describing the ideas of the Dark Enlightenment as “bankrupt”, but as how the Dark Enlightenment views the whole post-modern NWO thing – in other words, exactly as we on this blog view it!

      • Frank_DeScushin

        On a second reading (after I’ve slowed down a bit), it certainly looks like you’re reading is correct and my initial reading was incorrect.

  • Alfred the Great

    “…radical anti-establishment politics of all shades are on the rise, driven by a growing belief (and surveys bear this out) that our current way of doing things–our parliamentary system, our judicial system, our economic system–don’t work.”
    Yes, totalitarianism doesn’t work!
    And, while I’m here, somebody, please, disprove: The great White burden. And, while you’re at it, disprove: Manifest destiny.

  • Svigor

    indeed some adherents refer to the Red and Blue Pill scene

    Now they’re just giving them credit for other people’s memes; I saw this one all over the place at Stormfront when I first visited, more than ten years ago.

    And PS, Moldbug is full of [email protected]; he’s a 10-cent-word-using version of iSteve’s Whiskey/Evil Neocon/Testing 99.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      Dark Enlightenment is not strictly Moldbuggian and red pill/blue pill comes from the Matrix movie.

      • Svigor

        I’m aware. I’m saying that it was big among WNs long before the DE was a gleam in anyone’s eye. And I know the DE isn’t Moldbuggian; I’m somewhat a DE guy myself, and I think he’s full of [email protected]

        • Daniel Schmuhl

          I’m aware of that. He’s extremely dishonest on the Jewish question and Kevin MacDonald’s work despite ostensibly being into HBD. The Synagogue is a more useful term than the Cathedral.

          • Svigor

            Indeed.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      Red pill and blue pill come from the Matrix movie and not all of DE is Moldbuggian.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        Ooops commented twice

        once as a guest hehe

  • Truthseeker

    “Whenever someone is arrested for a racist tweet, it is taken as proof that the Cathedral is pulling strings.”

    When I read this sentence, I get the sense that the writer is implying that there should be nothing objectionable or unusual about someone being arrested for a tweet. Only some nutjob on the fringes could believe something like that.

    I don’t think this guy understands anything about the neo-reactionary movement that’s been brewing for years. But that’s to be expected. He’s a member of the brainwashed masses who has been programmed to reject these ideas reflexively.

    • danallison

      Not only was that chilling sentence slipped in too casually, but apparently Telegraph editors don’t scan any longer for subject-verb agreement.

    • Spartacus

      Iu iz wayciss…

      • Lagerstrom

        Wow! Free-dom mann!

  • MekongDelta69

    “Its adherents are clever, angry white men…”

    Uh oh. UH OH. Better look out for those ‘evil white men.’ I’ve heard they’re ‘clever and angry.’

    • John_HD

      Why would any self-respecting white man NOT be angry about their own dispossession, and laws that specifically discriminate against them, a Cathedral that teaches that they are evil, etc, etc, etc, all while Whites invent nearly everything humans use, and are the backbone supporting the enormous parasite class, and the thanks we get is vilification? Damned right we’re angry.

      Only fools, traitors, and cowards would NOT be angry about that. Far from being angry, these creatures actually cheer on the demise of white people, which would be fine if they damaged only themselves, but they mean to take down all Whites and every White society.

      • MekongDelta69

        While you’re exactly right, you must be new here.

        I didn’t think I had to put /sarc on EVERY post…

        • John_HD

          Yeah, obviously, Mekong. I was actually responding to what you quoted, and not your sarcasm. Guess I might have just quoted it myself and avoided confusion.

    • Saisyet

      My ethnic studies “professor” also called Samuel Hungtington an “angry white man” just because he was against mass illegal Hispanic immigration. She said it with a straight face as if she was explaining a scientific term. There is little logical argument with liberals, mainly name calling and ad hominem attacks.

  • Spartacus

    “The whole bankrupt edifice, they think, is maintained by what they call “The Cathedral…”

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    “The Synagogue” would be much more fitting…

    • Sick of it

      Indeed it is, Spartacus.

      • Alexandra1973

        Take off the yarmulke and mustache and put on a backwards collar and whatever it is priests wear on their heads, and you’ll have it!

        (I have to say, though, the reptilians thing is WAY out there. It’s the main reason why I don’t listen to David Icke. He says Jesus doesn’t exist, yet claims to be the son of God, go figure.)

        • Sick of it

          Icke is one strange fellow, as is von Daniken. Amusing to read from time to time though.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      But, Rabbi Engelman says their average IQ is 109.666

      • JohnEngelman

        110.

        • Garrett Brown

          You didn’t get the joooooke! You didn’t get the joooooke!

          • Lagerstrom

            He’s a dour fellow. He’s probably re-reading the ‘Cantos of Ezra Pound’ by lantern-light as we speak. He was finished with Vonnegut before he left kindergarten.

          • Lagerstrom

            Correction: Ezra Pound was a Mussolini supporter. I’m actually reading his Cantos by candle-light. Good night everyone.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            He has an too low IQ to understand such jokes.

          • JohnEngelman

            The average IQ of the Ashkenazim has been estimated to be as high as 115.

          • Max Krakah

            and who made that estimation? why the ashkenazim

          • Lagerstrom

            Ohh, 110, 115. Finish off your Arthur Koestler book tonight will ya!

    • Winston_Jack

      Couldn’t agree more.

      Interestingly, someone by the name of Sam addressed precisely this topic yesterday on the Mindweapons In Ragnarok blog. He wrote:

      “According to wiki:

      …Although the word “cathedral” is sometimes loosely applied, churches with the function of “cathedral” occur specifically and only in those denominations with an Episcopal hierarchy, such as the Roman Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, and some Lutheran and Methodist churches…

      So Roman Catholics and Anglicans run Harvard? So Roman Catholics and Anglicans run the news media? So Roman Catholics and Anglicans run the government of the USA? I don’t think so. The last time a fellow in robes strolled through a college the whole place was closed down with a Klan alert. I know people are fond of new (neo) terms so I now “Christen” it (two can play at this) the
      #Neo-Synagogue. I, as part of the diverse White community, am sick of the
      #Neo-Synagogue perching its philosophy and works upon the tired creaking
      edifice of the Christian Cathedral.”

    • ViktorNN

      Yeah, as soon as I read a blog that goes on and on about “The Cathedral” I start looking to find out who is doing the writing – it’s very often not someone who is pro-white.

      If we agree that choice of symbolism makes a difference, “The Cathedral” is a bad choice of term as cathedrals are historically significant white forms of monumental architecture that are inextricably linked to our traditional past in a way which speaks to white aesthetic and technological accomplishment.

      “The Synagogue” or “the Temple” would be much better choices of symbols in every respect.

      • Brian

        The Cathedral is used just to signal a multilayered, linked system of enforced orthodoxy, which is what the Cultural Marxist Complex does. But yes, the anti-Christian connotation weakens its effectiveness as a mental model some.

        I prefer the other term: The Hive.

  • Seminumerical

    Visit the original article. The author gets slammed in the comments.

  • ncpride

    You have to love the comments section. I’m seeing more and more of this online, and it’s encouraging.

  • RisingReich

    Fascism m is simply a government that attempts to balance free market capitalism with preserving the people’s blood, culture, and Nation. That’s ALL it is.

    Just so happens that in those pursuits, Fascism intersects Nationalism and race-realism because diversity is at odds with those goals.

    Of course, I wouldn’t expect some dull-witted whipped libtard to have any intellectual capacity or honesty to investigate those terms.

  • 4321realist

    “I’ll be keeping an eye on them, and report back here with any interesting developments as they happen.”

    Good idea. That way when your country slips into riots in the streets due to an economic catastrophe, and the Muslim hordes in your country as well as the Caribbean blacks, have taken to looting everything that isn’t nailed down, you won’t need to cover things like that because they are so trivial and unimportant. You can devote all your attention 24/7 on looking for someone who might make a slur against blacks or criticize a Muslim bombing somewhere.

    Or maybe you can put Nick Griffin on trial again for not having his “mind right.”

    Do you intend to set up cameras?

  • Max Krakah

    spreading fast? Boy, the MSM is WAY behind the ball. It has already saturated . We’re here , we’re NEAR, and wha choo gawn doooo bout it?

  • WmarkW

    Dark Enlightenment : where factual correctness trumps the political kind.

  • WR_the_realist

    That IQ correlates well with real world outcomes, that races differ on average in IQ by significant amounts, and that IQ is highly heritable are three of the best established and most replicable results in the field of psychology, So when Jamie Bartlett calls these results “pseudo science” he is showing himself to be an ignorant ass.

  • NorthernWind

    I never even heard about a “Dark Enlightenment” until a couple of weeks ago. It sounds childish and a name that the MSM jumped on simply to discredit them. I’ve been reading alternative right-wing and Traditionalist websites for a while now (counter-currents, alternative right (now defunct) and more) and never even heard about these people. I had heard of Mencius Moldbug but only his name.

    Whatever the case may be, this article is clearly a hit-piece. The MSM simply cannot help itself it seems; “The neo-fascist bit lies in the view that races aren’t equal (they
    obsess over IQ testing and pseudo science that they claim proves racial
    differences, like the Ku Klux Klan) and that women are primarily suited
    for domestic servitude.”

    WOW. I was always taught to be charitable when evaluating another persons claims. I guess that doesn’t apply at all to anyone to the right of Mitt Romney. Not surprising, let’s be honest.

    As for my beliefs, if you want to deal with real anti-Liberal views start by reading Julius Evola’s three main works; Revolt Against the Modern World, Men Amongst the Ruins, and Ride the Tiger. They are like a detox after years of Liberal brainwashing.

  • David Ashton

    I haven’t been carefully through the five UK dailies I take during the last few days and did not see this until now. Nor have I followed these particular websites (though I shall look into them now). But Mr Bartlett appears to think that all human population groups have identical brain functions. Those not so stupid are “neo-fascist”. Does this fellow know what he is writing, or writing what he knows is foolish?

    • AndrewInterrupted

      He’s just and average MSM poodle getting his diversity cookie.

  • Lt_Greyman_NVA

    My God! Pseudo-science?!? You mean like Watson (who discovered the Double Helix in DNA) or Rushton or Murry?

    Unbelievable.

  • Actually we’re on 2 really bad paths. First of all is the increasing black and other demographic character of our country. It’s been said that there is a large black underclass which exists at the core of many decrepit major cities. [see Fred Reed: aka Fred on Everything]. This core is kept in check by regular infusions of money, drugs, & etc, via welfare payments. Also our burgeoninng prison system houses many of them although there have been releases due to inadequate funding.

    Completely separate from this our present Government, in it’s incredible cash for votes scheme has completely bankrupted the country. Deficit stands at nearly 17 trillion. According to everything I’ve read the US debt is a very real entity and must be paid back. When this happens the dollar will crater and the Gov’t will no longer be able to just print money to cover expenses. When this happens welfare payments to the black underclass will dry up. This is even despite the fact that taxes on the despised, white, tax paying class, will double: to the point of being nearly 100% of income.

    This two trends will make the coming depression much worse than either the one in the US in 1929 or in Germany during the inflation of 1923. These events were merely monetary and were survived by civilized populations working together. What’s coming to this country will be much worse. Also it’ll happen globally (due to our globalization).

    • Brian

      Your book sounds more like it would be prophecy than fiction. You should get it on paper.

      • To be honest the Gov’t will not default on the debt since it’s dollar denominated. It appears that taxes will rise but since Fed Income tax & Capital gains are already 40%, even if they went to 100%, not much more additional revenue would be generated.

        Our Gov’t lacks the political will to cut social spending and this needs to be done drastically to balance the budget. Actually when I wrote the above post our debt was under 17 Trillion but as of 1/23 in the am it’s now 17.3 Trillion.

        Since we obviously are not going to go to work and raise exports, (also we couldn’t export enough anyway) the only direction to go is to devalue the dollar. However when this occurs buying food to feed the welfare class will become increasingly difficult. Also the disruption to our society caused by the lack of a usable currency will halt a lot of production. Thus apparently it’s not just a case of getting paid $2000/ hr yet paying $200 for a loaf of bread: all sorts of inefficiencies occur.

        Actually I should write a book along the lines of the “Turnr Daireies”, not that I advocate that type of violence, just that that book is an interesting fictional account about the distegration of the American Government, which fate eventually comes to all Governments: even the Roman Empire.

  • Seminumerical

    I had never heard of Demos, the “think tank” the author works for. I just went to Wikipedia:

    “Demos was founded in 1993 by former Marxism Today editor Martin Jacques, and Geoff Mulgan, … .”

    Priceless!

    You’d have thought it was all over after the Cambridge five betrayed Britain, but no, they are still hard at it. Marxists love their abstract theorizing, unsullied by contact with reality (think Rachel Maddow).

    I guess a puffed up title like Director of the Centre for Analysis of Social Media for a Marxist organization is about as divorced from reality as is possible without being committed to an psychiatric institute.

    • Rick Brooks

      I love when you say left-wing intellectuals engage in “abstract theorizing, unsullied by contact with reality.” That’s so true of them.

      • John

        My grandmother use to explain to me as as a child that intelligence that leads to nothing or leads to the wrong conclusions is not really intelligence and is useless to man or beast.To summarise stupid is as stupid does.

      • Brian

        Justin EH Smith, who wrote the recent, awful article complaining about how the French are becoming so anti-immigrant, expresses this ivory tower detached idiocy thusly:

        I became a philosopher, like many others, in large part because I
        imagined that doing so would enable me to rise above the murky swamp of
        local attachment, of ethnic and provincial loyalty, and to embrace the
        world as a whole, to be a true cosmopolitan.

  • Max Krakah

    NO, YOU are wrong, WN’s only use IQ’s to show the difference between the races, we don’t NEED to justify OUR RIGHT to self determination and freedom from oppression by other races. WE don’t NEED to justify our right to claim our heritage with IQ, the record speaks for itself, IQ is only an insight, it is only ONE characteristic in which we differ from other races. It makes NO DIFFERENCE at all what an individual white person’s IQ is. WE are a NATION and that nation is determined by race, NOT IQ. IQ is just a distinguishing feature of our race. So, it matters not one whit what the IQ of another individual of another race is, they are NOT one of US! The question is not which individual is better, the question is, are they one of US or not!

  • Max Krakah

    that reality will end up being, you are either one of us or you are not, your name tells us you are not one of us

    • jambi19

      He is a friend and an intelligent one at that. Read more of his post you will see you have much in common with him.

      • 4321realist

        That’s the image he wants to project.

      • Max Krakah

        I have read his posts, he is not that intelligent. Read my post above. I am a white nationalist. The race is the only criteria that matters, the snobs who think they will create an IQ propositional nation are sorely misguided. Do you understand? YOU and those that think like you, are just replacing one proposition- our constitution, with another-IQ. It won’t work, you can’t ignore race.

    • WR_the_realist

      Another reason why I am not a White Nationalist. I do not divide the entire world into two groups — all whites good, all non-whites bad

      • 4321realist

        I don’t know anybody who does that.

        But when it comes down to us or them there’s no question that a person has to take sides.

        I think you’re confused.

        • Max Krakah

          The reality is that other races do. I think the Trayon Martin, the OJ simpson, The Rodney King, Every action of the Eric Holder and the obamma administration prove that this is the case. United WE stand, divided we fall. Those sitting in academia stroking themselves will not be the ones who will fight for their rights as whites.

      • Max Krakah

        Too bad for you. The other races do.

  • dd121

    What you suggest didn’t work out so well for the Romans. History will probably repeat itself. They had waves of civil war and they still couldn’t fix it.

    • Conrad

      The motive & situation is a lot different these days. What will fought for will also be different.

  • dd121

    And what’s you’re “therefore”?

  • Anon

    Under fascism, could he not prove what he is saying (he can’t), he would be removed from his position.

  • sshadow

    “Liberals think that every last Black, Hispanic, or White female person is superior to every last White male. Hardcore WNs think that every last White male is superior to every last Black/Hispanic/White female/Homosexual. ”
    I don’t think I have ever seen either a liberal or conservative espouse either of these positions. The artifice known as a straw man applies. We are commonly labeled as White Supremacists because our forefathers and ourselves have built nations that are the envy of the world, and to which browns are flocking to by any means available. The left side of our Bell Curve isn’t as illustrious as the right, but their crime rate is far less disastrous than most browns and blacks. I hope this clarifies your uncoalesced observations.

    • Max Krakah

      The logic of his position and that of those like engleman is that , well we have whites with lower IQs, so THOSE people should be replaced with other races. Really? Do I need a genius to plow my driveway, to work the register, to bag groceries? Do I need to replace those white people with africans, mexicans and asians who are my natural enemies? The white people that do those jobs presently live good, honest, nonviolent lives and in most cases are working them temporarily and will work their way up as they go through life. Do I need a low IQ minority to be stuck in such a position his whole life and constitute a member of a community that is hostile to me? No, WE are a NATION of white people.

      • sshadow

        I will go with the honesty and decency of the left side of our Bell Curve as jurors or voters way before any part of the Bell Curve of any brown or black group.

        • Brian

          Yes. I’d rather have Goober from the Andy Griffith Show than Jose or Darnell any day.

  • ben no

    In the future, I suspect there is going to be an epidemic of post traumatic stress disorder, particularly in white women. This will be a normal reaction to an abnormal event – forced demographic replacement, a complete change of living and sense of being, humiliation, dispossession, and hopelessness and despair. There will be too many ill white women to conceive children, and we will see the biggest steep in birth-rate on record. The psychological effects of such catastrophic destruction and up evil to ones nation-hood will
    prevent births in the minority white group, especially in the working class who
    will be simply too poor and isolated by then to be emotionally stable and willing to have children, pushing them into an endangered minority and thus the eventual extinction of the group. Which I’m sure is all part of the sinister plan.

  • Garrett Brown

    Sounds like their beliefs are based on what was common and accepted knowledge for hundreds of years. You know? When the world was a much better place.

  • 4321realist

    You might want to take a course in journalism in order to be able to describe what you want to say with more clarity.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    Anonymity.

    • JohnEngelman

      Thank you.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    Strawman. WN don’t think that way. They do think in average differences between groups, not absolute ones. And it is also well known among WN that there are differences between white groups too.

    • Alexandra1973

      I simply believe each race should have its own nation(s). And I believe in the average differences (Bell Curve). I don’t have hostility towards any other race (though I wish blacks would take their TNB and LEAVE already).

      I shouldn’t have to be ashamed to be white. I shouldn’t have to apologize for my ancestors owning slaves (I recently found out I had some that did!). Slaves who, for the most part, weren’t treated that badly. Yeah, we should have picked our own cotton….

  • I never knew I was a philosopher and adherent to the Dark Enlightenment!

    Somebody did point me to the writings just a few weeks ago, but I assumed it was another quite densely worded series of articles and did not spend much time taking a look.

    As somebody else pointed out in the comments, Demos, which this author allegedly works for, was founded in 1993 by former Marxism Today editor Martin Jacques and has quite a web under its spidery legs, including “common purpose” and links with the Leveson inquiry.

    It is interesting to see a mild sweat on the brow of these people about a rise in a movement that is rejecting the current systems which they tend to have spent decades gaining control and influence of.

    It is also interesting to see one of their writers admit that a majority of people are seeking some sort of change in the way things are going.

    I don’t know much about “Dark Enlightenment” and I might have to find out, but to me it sounds like the general Nationalism I already know, with tinges of New Right, Identitarian, “neo Fascist” meets “Social Nationalism”…

  • ViktorNN

    Without going into too long of a rant, the best things about the Dark Enlightenment are the race realism and the bravery to think and say ideas which are unpopular and which in many places are becoming illegal to say. Free thought and speech should never be suppressed. I support the activity of DE writers and thinkers 100% on these grounds alone.

    But like anything, nobody’s perfect and some DE folks get some things wrong from time to time. The biggest mistake in my book is too many pro-white nationalists necessarily link pro-white racial consciousness and advocacy with forms of authoritarian forms of government, as if the two naturally go together.

    This is wrong. If you look at the history of democracy, it is almost entirely a white invention that has been best carried off by white societies to the benefit of quality of life for millions upon millions of white people. It is probably no exagerration to say that the democratic impulse among whites is something which is a natural biological expression by us, and this is probably due to the fact that we are a highly creative and high IQ people.

    And second, given the high average intelligence and creativity among white people in general, many DE types make the mistake of going down the road of Muslim-style suppression of women, which again is a mistake when it comes to white people. Perhaps it works for Muslims – but not us. Far too much white achievement would be lost by repressing white women the way a lot of the DE types would want. Plus a lot of them – especially the “game” types – have such a hostility to white women, there’s very little way any race respecting pro-white white man could get on board with them other than to acknowledge those few of their observations about gender relations which don’t actively work against the best interests of white family and nation building.

    • Snakes on a Car

      Traditional gender norms are not oppression. Don’t be a “white knight” nationalist. There’s a reason the number of manoshpere blogs have grown exponentially these past few years. These blogs are dead on about the nature of women. The only healthy society is a patriarchal society.

      DE never said monarchy is the only good form of government. You are still too infected by liberal universalism. DE states that the form of government should be suited to the race/ethnicity/culture of the people being governed. Some peoples would benefit from the stability of an autocratic dictator other people may be suited for a form of government with limited suffrage. What DE is against is the progressive religious belief that Democracy and universal adult suffrage are the best things ever for everyone everywhere.

      • ViktorNN

        I’m not usually one to use semiotic arguments, but I would be cautious about using the slur “white knighting.” It’s no secret that many manospherists are non-white, and that many are likely to be anti-white. This term plays easily into that hostility to white interests.

        And in general, assuming you are a racially aware pro-white white man like me, I would suggest to you that you look at manosphere sites through the prism of white racial awareness and solidarity first. When you look at them from the perspective of what is best for white families – the basic building block of white nations – you will see that much of what concerns them is either irrelevant or destructive. To put it simply, our enemies want to see white people stuck in divisive battles of the sexes and engaged in mindless pursuit of sexual conquest. What they don’t want to see is white people finding ways past these impasses and spiritually empty diversions.

        As far as your comment about DE and democracy goes, I don’t see any disagreement – I clearly said that democracy was best for white people, a claim which doesn’t contradict your argument against liberal universalism.

        • Brian

          I read Chateau Heartiste regularly, and the atmosphere there, especially from the author himself, has a great deal of overlap with AmRen. It’s not just about chasing women, but also about HBD, western civ, traditional masculinity, opposing the cultural Marxist Hive/Cathedral, etc. As for ‘game’, a lot of it concerns tactics for ‘living with the decline’…i.e. not a statement that this is the best way to live, if you were designing a society, but merely a tactic to make the best of the bad situation we currently find ourselves in. The same applies to The Return of Kings website.

  • scutum

    Let me just clarify the difference between democartic governments who embrace capitalism and autocratic governments that embrace the central planning model. In the first instance the efficiency of the market will make adjustments for changes in price, supply, and demand on dynamic basis. In the second instance a planned economy will unable to make these adjustments on a dynamic basis and will have to wait for input from the centarl planners, which is often wrong. This results in a misallocation of resources and explains why planned economies like the old Soviet Union always fail. This flaw in central planning is impossible to overcome. In order for a planned economy to make the necessary adjustments for changes in supply and demand, they would have to be able to predict the future, which is impossible. The magic of the market is that it automatically makes adjustment in resource allocation based on changes in price, supply and demand.

  • John

    As in every family, you can have members of your own family with a wide range of intellectual abilities but we do not tend to treat them differently depending on their particular IQ’s especially if they are younger members of our families. However this changes completely if one of those members start exhibiting anti social behaviour like violence, trashing the house or activities that cause massive disruption to the house hold.Even the most loving parents will at some point throw a violent family member out of the home.I therefore suggest IQ per say is not the problem

    • Max Krakah

      Correct, it is only ONE characteristic/personality trait/ cognitive aptitude, amongst many that distinguish the races. Impulse control, submissiveness, aggressiveness, cooperativeness, and inborn ideas concerning morality and capacity for empathy are all other areas where the races differ

  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    “Its adherents are clever, angry white men patiently awaiting the collapse of civilisation, and a return to some kind of futuristic, ethno-centric feudalism.”

    Hah! The writer of this article thinks that there are no ethnonationalist women, because he said that there are only “White men” who want Western society to change. I think that the writer of this article suffered from a delusion that ethnonationalism is only a hobby of White men. I feel sorry for him that he is so misinformed.

    “and that women are primarily suited for domestic servitude.”

    It’s my right to stay home if I want to, dimwit. Besides, how are children supposed to be raised well when their mother cannot take good care of them at home? It’s the children’s right too to have a mother who can take care of them at home.

    “I’ll be keeping an eye on them, and report back here with any interesting developments as they happen.”

    Yes, report more! I could use a good laugh sometimes.

    • Max Krakah

      The Amish double their numbers every 20 years. Their women seem very content with their situation. In the show “An Idiot Abroad”, the english guy visits an Amish family in Indiana. It was the episode about Route 66. It is interesting in that in every show he moans and groans about just everyone and everything that he encounters, but regarding the Amish, he has little bad to say, in fact he says ” I think they may have gotten it right”. Except for the beard, I think that was his only objection to the Amish. The family he visits has five or six beautiful kids running around too. All of them are well behaved as well, the scene was downright serene in fact. No loud voices, no fighting and screaming, just kids peacefully playing together.IT really makes one feel good to see that. I remember that when I was growing up there was a Norwegian family in my neighborhood that had TEN kids, all towhead blondes.

      • LovelyNordicHeidi

        MK: “The Amish double their numbers every 20 years. […] The family he visits has five or six beautiful kids running around too. IT really makes one feel good to see that. I remember growing up there was a Norwegian family in my neighborhood that had TEN kids, all towhead blondes.”

        I am aware of the success of the Amish. Regarding the Amish as a good moral example, the race-conscious Nordic families will be more successful than race denialist families, because the race-conscious families will have more children if they keep themselves to their moral imperative of multiplying their kind. We can defeat the race denialists in the same way that the anti-Whites have been trying to defeat us: large families are the omens of victory.

        • Max Krakah

          Yes, I agree. It is easy to see, when one realizes this ,that the feminist movement was used as a way of sabotaging the white race. The homosexual movement as well. Both movements worked off each other actually. The rise of the acceptance of homosexuality changed societies values. In the 80s, traditional couples decided to emulate the homosexual lifestyle. Children were no longer seen as a definition of, and ultimate purpose of marriage. Traditional couples realized that they were at a material disadvantage to gay couples if only one spouse worked. They wanted the THINGS, the VACATIONS, the shiny fancy apartments and houses etc. Thus, the YUPPIE” was born. I think that in an earlier time the shows on HGTV such as “curb appeal”, “trading spaces” etc, all those makeover shows about constantly “redoing” the exteriors of our lives are a result of this. Many have forgotten about the interiors of their lives.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            Anti-Whites use critique as a means to achieve their ends. They want the White race to be reduced to zero, so they advocate the reduction of the White fertility rate by means of critique of White culture in the form of fighting for human rights.

          • Zounds123

            That’s not a bad synopsis, though it’s astonishing how many whites who identify as conservative think in similar terms.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            “That’s not a bad synopsis, though it’s astonishing how many whites who identify as conservative think in similar terms.”

            That’s why they ought to be called neo-cons (they are just liberals who call themselves conservatives, their world view is just liberal). However, we need to ask the fundamental question: How can we dig up and destroy the roots of those anti-White sentiments? What do we need to do to change people’s world view so that they become in favour of a high White fertility rate. The conversations, concerns and plans about the preservation of the White race probably need to be rendered legitimate by emotional persuasion, because intellectual persuasion does not seem to work with these people, their views are irrational so they need to be converted in another way. Emotional and intellectual persuasion can go hand in hand, but it seems that the focus needs to be on emotional persuasion. Our ideas need to feel right.

          • Zounds123

            Hence your avatar.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            “Hence your avatar.”

            I’m emotionally persuaded by your owl, because it’s cute!

            But seriously though, emotional persuasion is highly important.

          • jeffaral

            You’ve both emotionally and intellectually persuaded me Heidi. The French have Joan of the Arc, the British Boudica, we have you Heidi. If we had a few more Aryan girls like you we would already be victorious. You’re gold girl!.

          • Max Krakah

            Well, we need authors to write books, movies , plays etc. They just refused to make an honest movie about who MLK really was. WE need movies about victims of black violence. WE need undo what has been done the same way that it was done. TV shows that show single white feminist career women as looney, nasty, etch, and contrasting that with the stay at home mother who accepts her life with grace. WE need movies that tell a story of the profess of white civilization, highlighting the heroes of invention and art. WE need to contrast this with the paucity of the civilization of the other two races. WE need movies that show blacks as they really are, the way we see them on youtube.We need to start our own media. Web sites like this ARE in fact,a start.

          • emiledurk16

            Definitely agree. I used to take the “rational approach” but I’m convinced that emotions and feelings should get the call 65-35. Definitely no fan of the Enlightenment. German romanticism gets the nod in my book. “Our ideas need to feel right”. Excellent.

          • Sick of it

            Intellectual persuasion, logic, etc. are increasingly less effective as you move from right to left on the bell curve.

          • Max Krakah

            OK, I trust that you are not an imposter now

          • ben no

            Indeed. The biggest abomination is steeling the human right to exist away from White groups to benefit others in their survival.

      • Alexandra1973

        I bet you won’t see black Amish. The Amish work and have no use for bling.

        • RisingReich

          Dem dar Ameesh bees raycis!

    • Brian

      If he admitted that women are involved, it would paint the movement in a more sympathetic, universalist light, and he can’t have that. As long as he can say it’s male, it can be safely dismissed more easily…the same as liberals do in the US when castigating the Republican party as being ‘old white men’…as if being old, white, and male are suspect traits inherently. For them, this is about controlling the narrative and framing.

  • Zounds123

    Is Mencius Moldbug a real person and not a pseudonym? Is this verified or verifiable?

    • Max Krakah

      Of course it is a Pseudonym. Mencius was an ancient Chinese philosopher.

      • Zounds123

        You say “of course,” but here is a professional reporter who fails to clarify this point.

        • curri

          They don’t make reporters the way they used to.

        • Reverend Bacon

          Yes, it’s only the professional reporters like Paul Kersey and Colin Flaherty that have ever clarified the point about me not actually being Reverend Reginald Bacon from Bonfire of the Vanities. Talk to anyone from the MSM and they just assume that my real surname is Bacon.

        • Brian

          He could more accurately be called a ‘professional distorter’.

      • Zounds123

        So who is it? What’s the real story? One of the comments on the Telegraph said this movement is anti-white nationalist and pro-Zionist. So that’s a rumor as I put to you here, but it would be good to know the truth and have a clear idea about this.

        • Max Krakah

          well then, it doesn’t surprise me that the cultural marxists, who like chinese restaurants, would pick a name strait out of a fortune cookie

        • The_Racist_Atheist

          Mencius Moldbug is a Jew. The “Cathedral” he describes is just the old Cultural Marxism meme with a certain tribe written out of the narrative.

          • Zounds123

            Yes, and it’s a terrible choice of symbols for a group with anti-modern views. Many alienated people today look to cathedrals as a source of lost beauty, even if they are not Christian.

  • freddy_hills

    Up til now, the only exposure I’d had to Dark Enlightenment ideas was
    RamzPaul’s youtube video on the topic, It was brief but I agreed with
    a lot of it. I had, however, seen (though not read) Nick Land’s Dark Enlightenment essays because they include a link to an article on my own blog. It caught my attention a while back when the visitor stats showed a number of my visitors had been referred from his site. I didn’t read it at the time but now that I’ve read this article I probably will.

  • Max Krakah

    “people of the lie” it is a book that describes that spirit

  • Reverend Bacon

    “that they claim proves racial differences, (as did) the Ku Klux Klan…”

    Similar to, “…who liked warm, fuzzy, cute puppies, as did Adolf Hitler.”

    • Alexandra1973

      So in other words if you agree with someone on one point that puts you in their camp.

      • Reverend Bacon

        Yes, Alexandra, I think that’s the takeaway. If you agree that there’s a racial difference, you are essentially a member of the KKK. If you like puppies- well, then the liberals will call you the H word.

    • freddy_hills

      I noticed that. Guilt by association.

  • Alexandra1973

    Lincoln was against blacks voting…and against them “serving” in Congress.

    He was a realist.

    • Bill Moore

      Hello,

      Abraham Lincoln stated that a nation divided against itself will not stand. Lincoln wanted to ship all of the Africans back to Africa, but Congress said that would be too costly, and refused to fund it.

      Thank you,
      Bill Moore

    • Anonymous

      If Lincoln was against all Black ppl voting, why did he say that the very intelligent members of their race should vote? I believe he was just against most Black people voting, but he supported the very right end of their bellcurve voting.

  • VitaBrevis1

    Since when were racial differences ‘pseudo science’? Surely the idea that racial groups that lived in geographical isolation for tens of thousands of years are identical is absurd.

    Galapagos finches living on different islands display various adaptions to their different environments. Excuse me, but is the human animal supposed to be exempt from the same kind of forces, and if so , why?

    • Brian

      We need to call out the libs on their susceptibility to the ‘reverse moralistic fallacy’.

  • emiledurk16

    “Dark Enlightenment” ..These libs love oxymoronic terms. At my place of employment they encourage “active listening”…these people are sick.
    Sorry, Ms. Bartlett if we’re takin a stand. It’s your philosophy of egalitarianism and anti-white quota systems which are driving the degradation of civilization.
    You are the problem, Ms. Bartlett….not us.

  • Edruezzi

    All the world needs is something catastrophic to upset the little order there is in it, and we’ll see people turning on each other and there’ll be a slaughter. It’ll be like Syria, but worldwide, with races pitted against races. A hit from a comet or asteroid will be enough.

  • ben no

    If only one of our super awesomely clever ancestors from around 1900 could invent a time machine into the future to see what its like, and then return home to their own time and begin a strategy of protection against the 1950s deception.

  • Funruffian

    “While researching my book about internet subcultures, I’ve bumped into plenty of online movements that reject democracy, believe in racial superiority and fantasise about a purer more “natural” life before the French Revolution or the Normans came along and ruined everything.”

    This guy believes that anyone who is a Race-realist or is able to see the truth is a Neo-Nazi. I am sorry, but this liberal-multi-cultural wing-nut is not worthy of our time. But it’s important that we know there are pseudo-intellectuals, like him, out there who are cultivating this Anti-White male agenda. Noticing racial differences does not make one a White supremacist. It just takes an intellectually honest person who will accept nothing shy of the truth.

    “By bringing together diverse elements of alternative Right-wing and fantastical rejection of the system into a single political philosophy for internet intellectuals, this could well grow. I’ll be keeping an eye on them, and report back here with any interesting developments as they happen.”
    Yea, nimrod, you keep doing that. Keep proving that you are an unproductive wannabe writer.

  • TheLastAngel

    Wow, in what kind of democracy is it ever ok when people get arrested for racist tweets?

    “Whenever someone is arrested for a racist tweet, it is taken as proof that the Cathedral is pulling strings.”

    I mean, how are you supposed to reason with people like that?

    • The author of this article misses the point.

      The cathedral isn’t in that someone gets arrested for a “racist” tweet. The real cathedral is the criminalization of “racism” to begin with. I can take it one step further, and say that the real real cathedral is thinking that “racism” is wrong.

  • Truth Teller

    BillMillerTime
    I lived and worked in Germany for 3 years. My sister and her husband lived and worked there for 11 years. Almost all Germans belong to very strong labor unions. Virtually all Germans including retail clerks, restaurant workers are well trained, well paid and have certifications.
    They are very socialist in their POV. Even the well paid professionals consider themselves workers first and foremost and appreciate labor unions.
    It is the strong tradition of unions that is the reason why German workers are so well paid. It’s also because of cold war competition. The USA wanted W. Germany to be a showplace of how capitalism could benefit the workers. But it’s mostly the labor unions that created German working class prosperity.

    • I understand that in Germany, there is strong cross-pollenization between corporations and organized labor, in that union representatives have some seats on corporate boards of director, and corporate representatives have seats on unions’ boards of directors.

      I can completely understand and agree with this setup. The point is to keep either unions or corporations from becoming inbred teams to which one is supposed to have fealty and loyalty toward akin to or even strongly than the tribe, nation, ethnicity or country at large. The fundamental unit of loyalty is supposed to be the German nation and the German people, not some relatively ephemeral institution based on current economic conditions. Another benefit is that unions with some corporate representation on their boards and corporations with some union representation their boards prevents and deters either corporations and unions from turning into rapacious weapons against the other side. A union won’t make ruinous demands on a corporation if corporate people are within, nor will corporations operate in such a way to hurt the people that work in their employ if union reps are on its board. It helps achieve the happy median.

  • Truth Teller

    BillMillerTime
    It’s true what ABTOL said about Germany protectionist policies. I don’t think I ever saw a non German car the entire time I lived in Germany. Neither did my sister and her husband in 11 years. The taxis are all Mercedes. We were on vacation in Germany for my son’s 9th birthday. His present was a remote control car MADE IN GERMANY, To everyone’s astonishment, it lasted 7 months before it broke. It was sturdy enough to use on the sidewalk. The remote cars and other toys sold in the USA are from slave labor Asian countries and break within days. One reason legos are so popular is that they are made in labor union Sweden and don’t fall apart within days of purchase. Many parents actually buy duplicate toys for Christmas because so many toys fall apart within days. Anyone remember those sturdy metal made in the USA Tonka trucks? Now there are Asian c**p of plastic.
    One thing I have noticed about this website. Too many people pontificate about places they have never been and people they have never seen. A few days ago someone suggested that the USA end third world immigration and implement only selected immigration from Germany and Sweden. Dream on. No German would put up with the degrading working conditions of even them most highly paid employees, the micro management, eating lunch at their desks, the 60 hour work week, requirement that professionals spend weekends on their computer and phone working from home, affirmative racial discrimination hiring and promotion of incompetents and all the rest of the cannibal capitalist workplace.
    I don’t know what you do for a living Bill Miller, but so many formerly well paid professionals have seen their salaries fall relative to the cost of living in the last 30 years.
    Are you aware that registered nurses nurse anesthetists and other nurse specialties often make almost as much as MDs? That’s because nurses have very strong labor unions. Their unions are very militant. That’s why nurses have gained so much in the last 30 years. Drs. consider themselves professionals first and workers last. They don’t have a labor union. That is why their salaries are getting lower and lower every year.
    You are an economist. Economists have a term for the cost and time spent to make a profit, I forget what it is. But the cost and time involved in lost wages and the cost of schooling means that over a lifetime, Drs and nurses make about the same. Real estate is most of wealth for the average person. Who has more equity, a nurse who buys his or her first house at 28 or a Dr. who buys his or first house at 42?
    My daughter is a commercial industrial inside wireman IBEW general electrician. For most of 2010 2011 she was a foreman on the Golden Gate Bridge. If race to the bottom economists like you have their way, the electrician foreman on the Golden Gate Bridge would be some Guatemalan jungle illegal picked up at a day labor site. Her income is probably higher than yours. Of course she had to get a high score on engineering, math and mechanical ability to join the apprenticeship program.
    I only write about things I know about first hand. I wish others would do so. If you want to pontificate about Europe go live there for a few years. Those of you who proclaim that Spanish, Italians and even French are not White, scrounge up a couple thousand dollars and take a 10 day tour and look at the people of those countries.

    • LHathaway

      hehe, I’ve claimed that Spaniards are looking quite dark, before. Not that I have anything against being darker. . at least when I’m considering dating. I may be ‘pro-white’ but I do have my weaknesses.

      Um, as to other posts. . there was a lot of Italian clothing in Germany. And Every country seemed to have very high tariffs on imports, as if trying to squeeze each other out (this well before the Euro).

      Another interesting, likely social construct. . . Those in Northern Europe were better off financially than those in southern europe, at least apparently. If you live in Europe, you vacationed and had fun in Southern Europe because it was cheaper. Those darn Europeans love their warmer weather. . . .

    • Actually the big thing hurting physicians in the United States and their salaries is H-1B.

      And it’s starting to hit the nursing profession.

  • Truth Teller

    Bill Miller Time
    One thing I forgot about Germany. All the clothing and household things my sister and her husband bought in 11 years were MADE N GERMANY by well paid German workers.

  • Truth Teller

    BillMillerTime
    How does affirmative action, aka the hiring and promotion of total incompetents who spend 7 hours of an 8 hour workday causing problems affect the marketplace? What do the vulture or as I call them the cannibal capitalists think about the fact that so many workplaces are filled with incompetents? I hope you reply because I am very interested.
    I have posted this rant before and I will post it again. This is a White nationalist site. Capitalism, socialism, abortion, guns, gays religion etc are so called conservative issues.
    It doesn’t matter what the economic system, both our government and the employers are bent on White genocide. England is a socialist state and its government, elites and employers are just as anti White as conservative economists as Bill Miller,
    Freerepublick is a general conservative site Bill. Why not go there to discuss capitalism vs socialism? Neither cannibal capitalism nor socialism and strong labor unions will save Whites. Neither Christianity nor militant atheism will save Whites. Having a huge stash of weapons will not prevent your children’s being turned down for college because they are White. Those guns will not help you overcome affirmative action discrimination in the workplace. Even well organized gun owners cannot prevail against the military. As far as I can see the anti abortion conservative cause is also anti White because most abortions are black and brown.
    Has the NRA ever said just one word against affirmative action, school busing, the destruction of so many cities, black on White crime? Never, not one word in 70 years.
    Have the family values, anti porn, anti destruction of the family, pro Christian etc crew ever said one word against affirmative action, school busing and black and White crime?
    Every once in a while someone suggests I work for some conservative organization if I feel so strongly. I always reply that my only issue is the survival of Whites and the conservatives are as bad as the liberals.
    I would like to see amren posters stick to the issue of White survival. There are plenty of libertarian and cannibal capitalist sites Bill Miller.

    • Everyone should read your post, then re-read it.

      Our people sometimes get too worked up over systems, paradigms and ideologies.

      Like I said back in the thread about Jared Taylor’s Turkish excursion, I think that if we get race right, the economics will take care of themselves. That’s the simple shorthand version of what I think.

      A more sophisticated and accurate way to put it is that people, if they are smart enough and have the security of an ethnostate, will, by trial and error, (and hopefully for their case not much error), eventually find an economic, political, constitutional and legal system to fulfill their needs.

      A better yet way to put it is that, contra Adam Smith, the real wealth of nations is purely the result of three factors: 1. Blood and soil ethnonationalism, 2. High group average IQ and the requisite public respect for intelligence, science and innovation, 3. Access to plentiful land and natural resources. If you have all three things, then you can afford to make some mistakes in the realm of economic ideology or political-legal-constitutional system, yet still be prosperous. In fact, if you have those three things locked down, you actually have a lot of leeway to experiment with systems and ideologies and still have prosperity. But if you lose any one of those three factors, or two of the three, or all three, then your margin for error on ideology gets smaller and smaller to the point where even getting the system right doesn’t matter anymore.

      • Carney3

        Right. 1960s Sweden, despite suffocating taxation, socialism and regulation, was a much more pleasant place to live than any Jack Kemp style “enterprise zone” or “empowerment zone” could ever be.

        • Speaking of, does not Obama’s “promise zone” proposal sound a lot like Jack Kemp’s (recycled by Rand Paul) enterprise zones?

          And of course it too will be a failure, because it’s based on the silly theory that blacks are the way they are because they don’t live across the street from a job.

          Besides, how many more liquor stores, hip hop clubs, take out Chinese joints and hair hat weave stores does Bell Curve City really need?

          It also should be noted that Sweden eased up on the tax-spend-regulate craziness awhile back. Proving my point about trial and error.

  • Truth Teller

    BillMillerTime and Solinvicgus
    An enormous amount of credit card debt goes to the cost of just getting to work by car. Triple A estimates that 80 percent of auto costs are commuting to work. So add up all your car expenses for the year. Then add depreciation. Multiply by 80. Divide that amount by 12. Subtract that amount from your monthly take home pay. You will be appalled. I call it the work tax. What a country, we go into debt just so we can get to work.

    • Brian

      And people don’t want to ride the subway or live downtown because of the Diversity ruining it– we get to pay for the city infrastructure and transit and can’t even take full advantage of it. Yet another ‘benefit’ of Diversity. Back in Jim Crow we could live and go where we wanted, and BUILD, without the shenanigans. Even when I was a kid my mom could drop us off at the library to read without a bunch of homeless crackheads and porn-web-surfers there.

    • Carney3

      It’s true – the commute can be god-awful. But many metropolitan areas have a relatively decent commuter rail system (distinct from the urban subway) designed to take suburban professionals into and out of the city. Might as well take advantage of its subsidized prices and taxpayer-supported operations since you’re already paying for it. Another option is electric cars. Yes they cost more up front but we’re supposed to be smart enough to look beyond the here and now, right? The per-mile cost of electricity is much lower, so after several years those savings add up, often more than paying for the greater cost of the car, especially after the electric car tax credit ($7,500 federal, and many states add more) which brings the cost of the (US-made) Nissan Leaf down to just above $20,000.

  • SoulInvictus

    You’ll never convince this guy. I can peg him just from what little of his I’ve read. He’s a 50-60+ y.o. man who, through work or inheritance, is so divorced from the modern economic reality for people that are starting from scratch (poor), that he can’t comprehend it. It’s not that he’s malevolent, just clueless and unable to relate.
    The only way you could make him understand would be to turn back the clock, make him 20 and trying to make a life, under today’s circumstances. It would only take a week.
    Tell you what Bill… if you want to put your money where your mouth is, take $1000 out of your savings, hell make it two. Go out and try to make it for a month. Try to get a place to live, some food, an entry level job, and find some method of transport (even public) to get there. See what it’s like and how different it is now. You’ll be shocked and it will realign your perspective.

    Also, monopoly being solely a creation of the state, is plain stupid. Never heard of the old company store?
    And how someone can be so blind to the effects of embracing globalism, on this site of all places, is surprising.
    As the above poster say, reality doesn’t bear you out. So we get cheap chinese merchandise… and the rest of our economy incinerates. That’s only good for the 1%, and only for so long. And it’s these types, that after reducing us to a third world shithole, that will disingenuously wonder aloud at how it all happened, while bitching about the masses of unhappy poor of course.

    • BillMillerTime

      I am a middle aged white mate, financially successful. Several years go I lived below the poverty line (although I didn’t even know it at the time). I have lived on less than $1K per month. In the last few years I have had an income that puts me in in a category that Obama now thinks that I am “rich.” So what? It has no bearing on the veracity of what I am saying.

      I know what it is like to survive on $1k per month (or even less). And you know what? That experience has served only to reinforce my belief in the beauty of private property, free markets, and global trade. I do not believe in subsidies to companies, taxes on import, and especially not in the various ways that the government props up the banking cartel.

      >Never heard of the old company store?<

      Name ONE "company store." You can't, at least not one that isn't a creation of the state.

      Remember IBM in the 1970s? Everyone thought that it was a computer monopoly, and then along came Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. "Oh no," they said, "you'll NEVER be able to go toe-to-toe with IBM!" said the nay-sayers.

      And what happened to the people who in 1979 invested in Apple or Microsoft? Now compare that to the people who invested in IBM.

      Again, I point to Germany, which has embraced global trade. According to the CIA, "The German economy – the fifth largest economy in the world in PPP terms
      and Europe's largest – is a leading exporter of machinery, vehicles,
      chemicals, and household equipment and benefits from a highly skilled
      labor force." Right after WWII Germany was flat on its back from the defeat and price controls. The Allies lifted wage and price controls and immediately Germany was back in the game. All the shortages disappeared.

      Listen, I am not not some out-of touch globalist who doesn't give a rat's ass about the condition of my fellow whites. I am just convinced that we know the conditions under which our people thrive: respect for private property rights, rule of law, free trade, freedom of contract, freedom of association.

      Recommended reading:Civilization: The West and the Rest

      Hardcover

      – March 1, 2011by Niall Ferguson.

      • SoulInvictus

        “I am a middle aged white mate, financially successful.”
        It’s almost like I’m psychic huh. 😉

        “several years go I lived below the poverty line (although I didn’t even know it at the time). I have lived on less than $1K per month.”
        The difference between even 10 years ago and now, is huge.
        Do a quick budget on $1000 per month using average rent, fuel, food, and other necessity costs. It would only be feasible either:
        A. living at a shelter or with multiple roommates and walking to work
        B. with government aid
        C. going into deep debt as I described before.
        Now add a child, or child support. You’d be lucky if you could afford Ramen at that point.

        “that Obama now thinks that I am “rich.”
        Then run for office. Seriously, I’ve worked in marketing and would help with your campaign. Or find a potential candidate that will represent things that will benefit us and groom him (I’ve been told I’m quite photogenic and well spoken ;).
        I’m trying to come up with real solutions instead of pining for an apocalyptic reckoning like a lot of people on here. Myself, I’m trying to put together a website to encourage marriage immigration of Afrikaners as natural allies to shift demographics and mindset to our favor.

        “Name ONE “company store.”
        http://en.wikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Company_town
        (At their peak there were more than 2,500 company towns, housing 3% of the US population.)
        I don’t even think it was necessarily a bad thing as back then…
        “Paternalism was considered by many nineteenth-century businessmen as a moral responsibility, or often a religious obligation, which would advance society whilst furthering their own business interests.”
        The opposite of what corporate philosophy is now.

        “Again, I point to Germany, which has embraced global trade.”

        … Others here have already pointed out the problems with that example. A key point of which would be that they haven’t gutted their manufacturing in favor of third world labor.

        ” I am just convinced that we know the conditions under which our people thrive: respect for private property rights, rule of law, free trade, freedom of contract, freedom of association.”
        I agree with much of that, but with a few caveats. Diversity poisons it, as does open borders/amnesty, and a welfare state coupled with the social irresponsibility of modern corporate philosophy.

  • Truth Teller

    BillMillerTime
    How does your version of economics justify the fact that every employer in the country is under draconian monitoring and threats to hire only incompetent useless non Whites instead of well qualified Whites who actually do the work they are paid for? Shouldn’t liberterians and cannibal capitalists also be against illiterate EEOC black women decreeing that businesses hire only woman and minority incompetents?
    Why were the affirmative action, school busing, pro criminal law suits all funded by Ford, MacArthur, Rockefeller, Carnegie etc foundations/ ?

  • Brian

    they obsess over IQ testing and pseudo science that they claim proves racial differences, like the Ku Klux Klan
    ===
    Ah yes, if the Klan was known for anything, it was their love of discussing haplotype distribution and poring over SES-adjusted crime statistics. Come on boys, grab some lemonade and sit a spell under the magnolia, and we’ll begin our lecture on global lactose tolerance patterns.

    I also like how the writer thinks that we imagine the Cathedral to be an actual, literal cabal, with weekly Powerpoint presentations, rather than just a term of convenience like ‘the invisible hand’ for a bunch of idiotic fellow-travellers with ideas we oppose.

  • Truth Teller

    Bill Miller I just got off the phone with my daughter the IBEW electrician. She has a new job. She got the call yesterday but had to take a test. She was puzzled as he never had to take a test for a job. She got the job. She will be in sole control of a 13,000 volt electric motor from 4/pm to 2/am. Caltrans is digging a subway tunnel from 4th st near the ball park to Chinatown. The motor she will control operates the drilling machine that is making the tunnel. With night shift and tunnel differentials she will make about $18o00 per hour.
    I know what you are thinking, how dare a prole blue collar worker make $18.00 per let alone180.00 per hour. I suggest you try frontpagemagezine, freerepublic or other conservative websites. WE are a White nationalist White survivalist site.
    Take your views on economics, abortion, guns, gays porn, religion, and other issues elsewhere. If you and the rest of the race to the bottom economists and cannibal capitalists had their way, my daughter, her husband and the kids would be down on their hands and knees using garden trowels to dig that tunnel
    In union there is strength..

  • BillMillerTime

    America experienced it greatest growth rate in the 19th Century. The 20th Century ushered in the Progressive Era.

    The Federal Reserve Bank was established in 1923. Just 16 years later we experienced the greatest economic crisis that our nation has ever experienced PLUS we got involved in a European war against Germany which led directly to WWII – all in strict violation of the advice given us by the Founders.

    Can you imagine if we had stayed OUT of WWI? The war would have grinded on, and the European power would have had to negotiate a just settlement, prolly to pre-WWI borders. No treaty of Versailles, no punitive measures against Germany and Austria, no occupation of German lands by French African troops, no no impoverishment of Germany and Austria, no WWII.

    Europeans prosperous without all that post-WWII war guilt. The European Left today would be a tiny insignificant noise machine.

  • Brian

    Hardcore WNs think that every last White male is superior to every last Black/Hispanic/White female/Homosexual. Both are wrong. Neither group admits the existence of bell curves or standard deviations.
    ====
    Nice strawman ya got there. Are they running a two-for-one sale today?

    WNs love to flaunt that their IQs may be higher than that of
    Blacks/Hispanics but then act the same way as the NAACP when John
    Engelman points out studies showing that Jews/Asians might have even
    higher IQs.
    ====
    I acknowledge the higher avg. IQ of (NE) Asians and (Ashkenazi) Jews. So what? I want a nation for my extended family: geniuses, average, and retards alike….because _they are my tribe_, and as a group, overall, we build the type of society I like best. Pretty simple.

  • Brian

    Did we all shriek? Of course there is a range of behavior among whites. I’m not claiming we’re all Aryan gods; I only want the chance to chart my own destiny in my own nation, free of the plague of Diversity trying to back me into a corner.

  • Brian

    In the past, East Palo Alto experienced profound crime and poverty, especially during the 1980s and early 1990s. In 1992, it had the highest homicide rate in the country with 24,322 people, and 42 murders

  • Truth Teller

    Cathedral means the seat or headquarters of a bishop. It need not be a large church, it is wherever the bishop operates. in China until very recently it was the prison cells in which all the Chinese RC bishops and the one cardinal lived. In Ukraine the Ukrainian Catholic bishops were underground in hiding for years. Their Cathedral was wherever they happened to be. The Ukrainian Catholic church is a completely different sect from the Russian Orthodox which was approved by the communist state.

  • SoulInvictus

    “that higher education and higher income White women had lower divorce and illegitimacy rates than…”
    I would have to wonder if that is due to them marrying and child bearing later, if at all. If so, then not exactly an apples and apples comparison.

  • Romulus

    This is exactly the kind of person (SPLC employees as well) that runs through our favorite blogrolls and trolls or fishes for information. Anything and everything that is communicable online is known to all, even enemies of the European people and their descendants.

  • Brian

    For now. But I was not born in those countries. I was born HERE. My ancestors have been here almost 300 years. Some of them (3% Amerind) have been here 13,000 years. So…I’m not moving to Andorra.