How Bad Is White Nationalism?

Bryan Caplan, Library of Economics and Liberty, December 30, 2013

White nationalism is one of the most reviled ideologies on earth. But what exactly is so awful about it? Menachem Rosensaft‘s piece in Slate quotes some leading white nationalists, but never really explains why this nationalism is worse than all other nationalisms.

As you’d expect, white nationalists dominate Rosensaft’s comments. Several point out that he’s is a staunch Zionist, and quip, “Nationalism for me but not for thee.” I’m a staunch anti-nationalist, so I’m tempted agree with this critique but “level down”—to embrace the view that every form of nationalism is just as bad as white nationalism.

What’s so bad about nationalism in general? Perverse moral priorities. Human beings are naturally biased in favor of the groups they identify with; psychologists call this “in-group bias.” Once you recognize this human failing, your moral priority should be bending over backwards to treat out-groups justly. No nationalism I’ve ever heard of even tries to do so.* Instead, nationalisms embrace in-group bias—shouting and shoving to maximize their side’s share of wealth, power, and especially status.** {snip}

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On reflection, though, I should resist the intellectual temptation to equate all nationalisms. Nothing in my critique rules out moral distinctions between them. So how does white nationalism measure up on the most obvious metrics?

1. Historical track record. Even if you count only Nazism and European colonialism, white nationalism has a massive body count. But several non-European nationalisms—especially Chinese and Japanese—are in the same bloody ballpark.

2. Expected track record. Given white nationalism’s ongoing half century of pariah status, it seems unlikely to do much damage in the foreseeable future. For the time being, white nationalism looks about as dangerous as Luxembourgian nationalism.

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4. The viciousness of the advocates. Being unpopular doesn’t make a moral theory more or less evil. But as I’ve argued before, we should expect people who support evil views despite unpopularity to be especially morally vicious. This prediction seem to fit the facts well. The average white nationalist really is angry and hateful. Indeed, it is very hard to locate white nationalists who are even civil to people who disagree with them. (Feel free to prove me wrong in the comments . . . or right, as the case may be). Reliable statistics on contemporary white nationalist violence are hard to find, but if you divide white nationalists’ most visible crimes by their tiny population, their per-capita violent crime rate looks very high indeed.

So how bad is white nationalism? Back when white nationalism was popular, its sins were massive, but hardly unique. The doctrine currently does little harm because it’s so rare. If however white nationalism regained popularity, it would be a cataclysmic disaster because white-majority countries have the firepower to wreck the havoc other nationalist movements can only fantasize about. Finally, white nationalists score as badly as you would expect in terms of moral character. Intellectually, their nationalism is no worse than hundreds of other nationalisms; but the kind of people willing to embrace white nationalism despite the stigma against it really do tend to be hateful, if not violent.

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  • Bryan Caplan is accurately describing himself as opposing all nationalisms. Because he’s certainly one of the biggest advocates of open borders and unfettered immigration around.

    • Puggg

      One other reason I’m glad I found this community on the internet. Now I know that Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are offshoots of this mind cult, and when you boil them both down are both as anti-white as Bryan Caplan. Before I really found this community, but after I started getting interested in politics, I probably would have fallen sucker into voting for someone like Rand Paul or Paul Ryan.

      Now I know better.

      Thank Dog for AmRen.

      • Garrett Brown

        I too supported Paul Ryan and Rand before I became a normal reader of Amren. I am glad for everyone, especially Question Diversity AKA QD, for “showing me the light” politically.

        • I’m going to have to pass through that credit you want to give me to Jack Ryan.

          • Garrett Brown

            Haha well, you are the one I read my friend.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Sorry, QD, but you are the one I consistently read. Same goes for your SBPDL comments before I bailed from that website.
            Solid gold, my man.

          • I better stop reading all this flattery before I get a big head and allow myself to become a legend in my own mind.

            Errr…too late for that; that whiskey is under the bridge.

            Incidentally, I’m QD on Disqus-based blog comments but I use my blog name, countenance, on non-Disqus blogs, and a mashup of the two, “countenanceqd” on Instapundit.

          • Garrett Brown

            All heil QD! *bows*

          • itdoesnotmatter

            I knew you as countenance too, QD.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I stopped going to PJ Media recently.

            Too much Israel-Firster activity over there. Hornik is channeling Menachem Begin over there.

            He’s spewing everything but the schematics on how to make a bus bomb.

      • scottthestrategerist

        Ron Paul is a soft sell of the anti-bank movement which traces its origins to Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. What Ron Paul has learnt is that this issue appeals to minorities, that if he talked about race he could never talk about anything else and so he has focused on an anti-Fed lite message. Rand Paul is a lite version of his father. But they’re on board with us. Even if they’re not, if they were to abolish the fractional reserve system, impose upon the banks a 1005 reserve ratio, abolish the Federal Reserve, and get us out of military interventionism in the Third World, I imagine you would be happy? I know I’d be!

        • On the flip side, open borders.

          Which would make all of that good stuff moot.

          • RyanP

            Not necessarily. With the open borders comes a restoration of the freedom of association. It would be legal to create whites only areas. Since an all white america would still trade with non white people in other parts of the world, it is really only a difference of scale to have america divided into racial regions(assuming there is no massive welfare sate redistributing between regions).

            Of course the white liberals will be appalled and want to live in racially mixed regions(or at least say they do). Let them. They are not going to be won over by forced segregation. Freedom and persuasion are the only way.

            Amusing thought: Imagine how funny it would be to watch the “white flight” phenomenon play out all over again within the racially mixed regions.

          • Okay, so we swing the borders open to our formerly “white only area,” in order to restore freedom of association. If we get new whites only areas, libertarians within the whites only areas will be demanding that we open its borders.

        • Brian

          The Pauls and the Bushes are alike in one respect: the father is better than the son. How much better? Not nearly enough.

    • Hunter Morrow

      Can we just say jew? Pretty please? This is goddamn childish.

    • Svigor

      As you’d expect, white nationalists dominate Rosensaft’s comments. Several point out that he’s is a staunch Zionist, and quip, “Nationalism for me but not for thee.” I’m a staunch anti-nationalist, so I’m tempted agree with this critique but “level down”—to embrace the view that every form of nationalism is just as bad as white nationalism.

      This is probably a lie. Jewish ethno-nationalism is a dramtically more powerful force in the world than European ethno-nationalism. How many pieces has he written condemning Jewish nationalism? He should have several for each piece he’s written opposing European ethno-nationalism. Does he really oppose ethno-nationalism, in all its forms?

      Writing a piece opposing European ethno-nationalism while claiming to oppose ethno-nationalism in “every form” while neglecting to write pieces opposing Jewish ethno-nationalism is like writing a piece opposing gun violence in Scandinavia while claiming to oppose gun violence in “every form” while neglecting to write pieces opposing gun violence in sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, etc.; it smacks of cowardice and hypocrisy.

      Human beings are naturally biased in favor of the groups they identify with; psychologists call this “in-group bias.” Once you recognize this human failing, your moral priority should be bending over backwards to treat out-groups justly.

      Where’s the part where he shows how “in-group bias” is a failing? He skipped over that bit. That’s a leftist failing. It’s the failing of ignoring human nature, and the pain caused by needless attempts at social engineering.

      Historical track record. Even if you count only Nazism and European colonialism, white nationalism has a massive body count

      By that standard, “anti-racism” and “egalitarianism” are much worse; communists championed both, and racked up a far more massive body count.

      • Le Fox

        Leftists already talk about Jewish ethno-nationalism. It’s one of their fears, actually. So you’re behind the times.

        • Svigor

          No they don’t. They ignore it.

          • Sick of it

            Except, strangely enough, inside of Israel.

        • Stan D Mute

          As Svigor said below, they do not. At most, leftists will whine about the plight of the Palestinians. They may whine about Afros being evicted from Israel. They will NOT – EVER – question or challenge the Jewish ethno-nationalism itself.

          • White Light

            The academia leans toward anti-Zionism, but most of the powerful politicians either support it or pretend it doesn’t exist.

          • Truth Teller

            And nobody questions the fact that the people there may be indigenous themselves. There are families in Nablus aware of their Samaritan origins, many of which converted to Islam. However, these people are seen as “Arab invaders” when it’s furthest from the truth.

        • Garrett Brown

          Anything on CNN I catch would lean towards liberals still supporting the state of Israel and wanting to keep it a country no matter the cost of the US. That seems to be one of the few things the left and right are in agreement with, which should give you a clue about something yes? Make you think why?

          • bilderbuster

            Does it start with a J & end with a W & rhymes with JEWS?

        • Dirk Agia

          Nonsense! No one discusses it.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          If Hitler had helped America with our Negro problem instead of picking on European Jews, European Jews would have been as pro-European as European Gentiles in the Post-War Era, and the whole sixties debacle which started the slow and sure fall of Western Civilization would never have occurred. Plenty of Jews elected to be Baptized as Christians during the 1800’s in Germany because they loved Germany and German culture. The descendants of most of these folks are now White Protestants. If Hitler had been a true race realist, he would have recognized the Negroid race as inferior instead of focusing on a Caucasian sub-group.

      • anew

        I have no love for the guy, but Caplan is consistent in his universalist libertarian logic: all ethno-nationalism, all national particularism really, is bad.

        In a vacuum, all ethno-nationalism is equally bad, but in the real world some have more potential to do “harm” than others. He observes that our society holds a special scorn for white nationalism, and considers whether this makes sense. While making a lot of inaccurate claims about our aims, he seems to conclude that it does not make sense. Although he does make the curious claim that, because white nationalism is a more courageous position than other nationalisms, we are somehow more morally vicious than others, but other than that, it’s the same stupid line-of-argument he always uses. His most significant flaw, as always, for him and for all libertarians, is that his “logic” assumes that selfishness + liberalism=the ultimate Good.

        • Svigor

          No, he’s not even remotely consistent. But sure, I’ll bite: show me where Caplan’s written, oh, at least ten similar pieces condemning Israel, Jewish ethnocentrism, and American Jewry’s support for Israel. That would be at least a start toward consistency (Jewish ethnonationalism is far more than 10 times the power in the world that European ethnonationalism is.).

          • anew

            You’re missing the point of the article; his point here is not to bash white nationalism, but to determine if it deserves to be treated the way American society currently treats it i.e. worse than other ethno-nationalisms.

          • Svigor

            That wouldn’t be hard, since I didn’t even bother to read it. I only skimmed most of what was excerpted here. Let’s assume you’re correct, and say I wasn’t addressing the point of the article, just the parts where he bashed European ethno-nationalism.

      • scottthestrategerist

        Had we gotten out of Germany’s war or even (gasp!) helped them, the horrendous death toll of Soviet Communism would have been far lower. At least the bleeding would have stopped!

        • Sick of it

          It was a war that most Americans did not want to get involved in, thus the election of an anti-war candidate…who turned out to be just like the previous anti-war candidate Wilson (excepting his origin of course).

        • White Light

          Hitler would have killed many more people than he did. He planned a huge extermination campaign to take place right after the war, when all the Slavs would be expelled, enslaved, or killed.

          • scottthestrategerist

            Please provide the documentary source for this claim as I would like to read it. Since something like a thousand TONS of Nazi documents were recovered after the war, and the Germans are meticulous recordkeepers, this shouldn’t be too hard for you.

          • Max Krakah

            you ever hear of “Mein Kampf”? He layer out his intentions right there.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Had he been a race realist, it would have been written in English, and entitled The Negro, Scourge of Western Civilization, written in English for the consumption of White Southerners and White South Africans who were dealing with actual racial problems.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Hitler was a race traitor par excellence. Where was his genocide campaign against the vile Negroids?? They are the true inferior race. If he wanted to address inferior race issues, he could have helped the American South with their Negro problem, and helped the Boer Farmers of South Africa. Just imagine what the results would have been. America would still be the pride of the European world, not the culturally debased poop chute it is becoming due to the glorification of the inferior Negro, and their inferior culture. European Jews, on the eve of his Genocide campaign against them, had an excellent culture that deserved to survive. A handful of crooked Jewish bankers and business people needed death penalties, but they were just a handful of the European Jewish population. Gas chambers full of Negroid rapists would have been a good thing. Gas chambers full of Klezmer violinists was a tragedy. Without Hitler, a thriving Judeo-Christian Europe could have thwarted the rising tide of color that is now destroying Western Civilization.

        • Max Krakah

          I was under the impression that the majority of state engineered deaths in the USSR occurred in the 32-33 famine, before the war.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Not true, the massacres started in 1917 and continued until WW-II. After the war, the Gulags swallowed up millions more until the fall of the Soviet Union.

        • Max Krakah

          What good does it do to constantly link white nationalism to WWII and Hitler? You instantly marginalize it. You play right into the enemies hands. Why not link white nationalism to the founding of a jewish ethno state and throw it right back at them?

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Exactly. Der Fuhrer was a race traitor par excellence. White Nationalists are men like Jared Taylor who value all White nationalities, and seek to protect all of us from the rising tide of color. Hitler did nothing to stem the rising tide of color. He only succeeded at dividing Whites along nationalistic lines by conflating nationality and religion with race. The Slavic peoples are European to the core. Hitler was stupid enough to consider them a different race.

      • tlk244182

        “in group bias is a failing.” That bothered me too. From an evolutionary standpoint, any group not showing significant in-group bias will be quickly annihilated, it seems to me (as White Europeans are currently rushing upon their own extinction.)

        • Svigor

          Yes. At worst, European populations are currently undergoing a population bottleneck; eventually, the only whites left will be highly ethnocentric. The question is, how many will be left. My guess is, about 20% of the current population, but that’s just a wild guess. I’d love to have some hard data on the behavioral genetics involved.

          • Stan D Mute

            I’m not so optimistic. I see in my crystal ball the US becoming Brazil. Whites will continue to seek status by coddling Afros only they’ll be “protecting” them from the wicked mestizo masses rather than other whites. By this time, whites will be only the “elite” class as we see today throughout most of Latin America. Meanwhile – in Europe – the Muslim and Afro invasion will have led to major social upheavals with some large areas effectively under sharia law and many cultural/historical works destroyed. In South Africa, whites will be a memory only as they are today in Zimbabwe. The wild cards are southern South America (Argentina, Uruguay, Chile), Russia, and Oceania (particularly NZ). The scope of Chinese influence will have expanded enormously.

            Keep in mind this will happen within the century.

          • Svigor

            Oh, I agree. I think the U.S. is on its way out. Which isn’t such a bad thing; I don’t think countries should be so big. Smaller states work better, are more responsive, allow for more diversity (the good kind). Whites will probably carve one or more pieces of it off for themselves.

            Europe is another story. I think it’s way off base to assume European populations will all just roll over for demographic annihilation. Many of them will fight to survive, I think. They’re already showing indications of doing just that.

          • Brian

            At some point between now and then, though, our economy would resemble Brazil rather than the former USA, and Americans will not react kindly to that. Being poor is one thing, but going backward is another. What happens when the SNAP food cards are shut off and we start getting regular electrical blackouts is the wild card. If enough whites acquit themselves well in this annus horribilis, a phoenix may arise from the ashes. If not, it’s lights out.

          • White Light

            My prediction (or wild guess) is that the multiculutralist charade will continue to go on for another maybe thirty years or so, during which the White population will gradually decline due to miscegenation.. The upper class groups will do it the least, and mostly with Asians. The lower class (I use those terms relatively) will see the many of the less-ethnocentric White out-marry, but it won’t be a great decline in population, although it will certainly make Whites a smaller proportion of the country. After that time Mestizo and African behavior will destabilize the system, and we will likely see a combination of greater authoritarianism and greater White nationalism among the remaining lower class population.

          • White Light

            Perhaps this will lead to a White ethnostate, perhaps the government will repress it and institute a Latin-American style “racial democracy.”

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            It won’t last that long. All indicators point to an inevitable economic collapse. The system as is is not sustainable for much longer. Trillions of fake dollars have been printed and the avalanche is getting ready to move. I’d say prepare yourself and make sure you’re armed.

      • White Light

        This article sheds some light on the subject:

        http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/04/joe_saccos_pale.html

        On the one hand, he states:

        When he explains his project to two Israeli women, one asks, “Shouldn’t you be seeing our side of the story, too?,” Sacco responds with voice-over: “And what can I say? I say I’ve heard nothing but the Israeli side most all my life…” Growing up in the U.S., that sounds about right.

        On the other hand:

        3. Suppose all the Jews left Israel tomorrow. What would greater Palestine’s GDP per capita be ten years from now? Want to bet on that?

        4. Suppose all the Jews left Israel tomorrow. How many Palestinians would still die violent deaths during the next ten years? How many political prisoners will there be in ten years? Want to bet on that?

        I doubt he’d ever make that statement about the South Africans.

    • scottthestrategerist

      I’m a white nationalist just like you, but you are wrong to lump Murray Rothbard into the mix of anti-whites. First of all, he has done the best job of ANYONE EVER in explicating the depredations of the fractional reserve system and the Federal Reserve system. Even if you opposed everything else he said, his works on the monetary system deserve to be national law! If we can preach Rothbard, we can free the world from privately-owned banks creating money out of nothing. He also went through quite an intellectual journey throughout his life. Please bear in mind he passed away at the very beginning of the internet age and lived through a time when there was no right-wing outlet of any kind. His views also evolved rightward on issues such as abortion, immigration and free trade. He was even accused of racist writings and it was his influence that caused famous (infamous?) Ron Paul newsletters that pointed out that (horror of horrors) the black rioters in Los Angeles in 1992 were black! Oppose all the others, but please don’t dump Rothbard in with the rest of them. He doesn’t deserve it.

      • Rothbard was at least somewhat reasonable, and his article about Sam Francis in a 1994 issue of RRR is how I first heard of him. Also, Ayn Rand herself was personally cagey on the whole universalism vs particularism issue.

        So why are almost all the modern day people who count them as intellectual idols, Caplan included, universalist to the core?

        • Svigor

          Cagey? Her essay, “on racism” didn’t strike me as “cagey.” Rife with logical fallacies and devoid of real argument, but not “cagey” at all.

        • nicholasi

          Her name was not “Ayn Rand”.

    • Max Krakah

      I think Milton Friedman was a very strong influence on Libertarianism, yet even he said that a welfare state with open borders is a recipe for disaster.

      • That’s definitely one of the most accurate statements of all time.

        There’s a catch, though.

        If you would have pressed him on which one he would have wanted realizing his own axiom that having both is impossible, he would have picked open borders.

        As me, and I pick welfare state.

        • Max Krakah

          why do you post that he would have wanted open borders. Why do you propose the premise that out of the two he would have definitely wanted one?

          • Because I’ve read a big majority of his works, and I know how he thought.

          • Max Krakah

            well, it’s been years since I read a couple of his books. I don’t remember him as being a staunch internationalist.

          • SoulInvictus

            2 words.
            Cheap. Labor.

        • Luca

          Friedman approached illegal immigration (open borders) from a strictly scientific/technical standpoint devoid of all the social impacts. Economically, illegal immigration is good in one sense only, it drives down the costs of goods due to the low labor cost and discourages companies form moving overseas. In that sense and that sense only, it is a good thing. However, as we all know, the social and tax consequences far outweigh the economical benefits. Therefore, Friedman was right, but only in a very narrow sense. When he was speaking as a citizen and not as an economist his intelligence would not allow him to disregard the horrible social downside of the open borders question.

          • JohnEngelman

            “Low labor cost” means lower wages for most working Americans. Because immigrants buy things their presence does not drive “down the costs of goods.” It drives them up.

            More immigrants mean more consumers and more job applicants. By the law of supply and demand this means higher prices, lower wages, and higher profits.

            This is why rich Republicans favor easing immigration restrictions. They talk about the need to win Hispanic votes. The real reason is that they want to become richer Republicans.

    • RyanP

      To be fair to the libertarians, they are fanatical about private property rights and freedom of association. In a libertarian society groups would be free to buy up regions of land and exclude any other group from entering that territory.

      • “Buy up regions of land and exclude any other group…”

        First off, even if the modern libertarian thought that was okay, they would be too chicken to bring that mentality into practice because of all the media screaming about “racism.”

        Second, “regions of land…to exclude any other group” sounds a whole lot like an ethnostate to me. To which most modern libertarians are opposed.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      He should have received a dunce cap in his stocking this Christmas!! The borders of all European lands should be welded shut as far as the Third World is concerned.

  • WR_the_realist

    The author does not define his terms, What is a white nationalist? Does every race realist get counted as a white nationalist? What if that race realist is Japanese? If the Nazis were white nationalists, why did they invade Poland and Russia, two other white countries?

    And why is in-group bias evil? If it is so universal it probably aids survival, as it was selected for by evolution. Is having a particular attachment to and bias in favor of one’s own children an example of in-group bias? If so, should we work to eliminate it?

    • David Ashton

      Some would say yes to your last question! One can love one’s own people and homeland and culture, like one’s family and home, without wishing harm to those of others unless they threaten or invade one’s own. Were the Swedes and Irish white nationalists during WW2? How many white nations had overseas empires and how many did not? There were pros as well as cons to British, French and Dutch imperialism, and even to fascism; the history is factually complex and morally nuanced. The question is whether the white nations are going to be swamped by non-white invasions, and whether world supremacy will be a contest between China and Islam, with our nations bypassed as plundered ruins. If “white nationalism” resists that outcome, it is worth supporting – Cecil Rhodes and Adolf Hitler are separate “issues”.

      • WR_the_realist

        Winston Churchill wanted Great Britain to stay white. He would be appalled if he were alive today and saw what has happened to London. Of course he was the staunchest enemy of Hitler and the Nazis. So tell, me, Bryan Caplan, was Winston Churchill a white nationalist? I’m trying to figure this out. Maybe we need a better term than “white nationalist” to describe white people who have the same natural concern for their own race that blacks and Asians and Hispanics have for theirs.

        • Ella

          Kaplan seems to blur the lines between White nationalism and ethnocentrism to give a dramatic effect in his article, “the evil White racist.” You can favor your own ethnic-group and culture without being militant and vicious. Many Whites just desire their own space without the threats of mass immigration and racialized politics against Whites of course. Most Europeans do not desire to be a White Nationalist Ethno-state. Is Kaplan this paranoid?

          • Sick of it

            No, he’s another one of the many genocidal maniacs who want to rid the world of us.

          • nicholasi

            “Winston Churchill wanted Great Britain to stay white” ? — He wanted more K. shekels so he could get fatter and buy more booze.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            It should be clear to you that he did that intentionally and why. He’s trying to dissuade whites from asserting themselves, and when our enemies are no longer able to do that by calling us racists, that is when the are going to start killing us en masse. Be ready to learn how to use your dark streak as a weapon as I already learned have.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            He’s another that preaches to Whites about how WE should be universalists and “we all bleed red” and other platitudes aimed at keeping Whites placated and ignorant. Meanwhile, if he’s typical of other “anti-racist” Jews, he’ll fight to the death to keep Israel as an ethnically pure homeland for the Jewish people. So typical of these hypocrites.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Of course he does what he does, because he’s a genocidal hypocrite. He is just like the vast majority of Jews, which is why I and many Slavs detest them, all of them along with their culture and death cult that masquerades as religion.

          • Ella

            I am Prussian descent. I’ve seen what they did to the Prussian people in the 40’s. We are lucky to have emigrated earlier before WW2.

        • scottthestrategerist

          Churchill was HORRIBLE as the NeoCon of his day, but he was GREAT for the British Empire and domestic economic issues. (Hayek was his economic guru and he didn’t want to give away India or the remainder of the Empire.)

          • bilderbuster

            After Churchill there was no Empire.
            The Great Race Traitor started a war that killed tens of millions of Europeans to keep Poland “free”.
            Six years later his good friend Stalin was sitting atop all of Eastern Europe & the British Empire was in ruins & it’s likely that even England may no longer be inhabited by the English in a few decades.

          • White Light

            keep Poland “free”.

            Poland was much freer when the Nazis invaded and turned it into a paradise, right? I don’t see how Churchill can be blamed for something he clearly would have had no sympathy with, multiculturalism.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Churchill was a war criminal. He had no issue with carpet bombing housing in German neighborhoods at night, where noncombatants were sleeping, like women, babies and little children. He even talked about blanketing Germany with poison gas to kill as many Germans as possible. He instigated WW II and refused Hitler’s many offers of peace going so far as to refuse Hitler’s phone calls. Hitler had actually been in WW I, Churchill had not seen warfare up close and personal, ditto for FDR, as had Hitler who didn’t want a repeat of the massive killings.

          • bilderbuster

            Correct you are & Churchill had no problem using poison gas on rebellious Iraqi tribesmen. The Germans never used poison gas.

          • Max Krakah

            I have no problems using poison gas on iraqis either

          • bilderbuster

            Iraqis in Iraq don’t bother me at all.
            I do have a problem with Iraqis in & around the Detroit area.

          • Max Krakah

            go back to stormfront

          • SoulInvictus

            Ok… I’ve got a question for you then.
            If Britain had managed to stay neutral and uninvolved, where would Germany have stopped?
            Now where would the Japanese have stopped?

          • nicholasi

            K as his economic advisor? No wonder Britain is a sewer now.

      • JTK

        For most of the black Rhodesians life was much better under White minority rule of Ian Smith.

    • Sue

      They invaded Poland because the communists were slaughtering the ethnic Germans in the area that was given to Poland from wwi. Bloody Sunday (German: Bromberger Blutsonntag; Polish: Krwawa niedziela) was a … or tolerating violent ethnic cleansing of ethnic Germans living in Poland.They went into Russia because Stalin was lining up his military to invade Germany. Please read both sides of what they call history not what’s set before you.

      • WR_the_realist

        Some say that the anti-German attacks by Poles that Hitler used to justify the invasion of Poland were false flag operations by the Nazis. I really don’t know. But I do know that the Nazis were German nationalists, not white nationalists.

        • scottthestrategerist

          From my very limited reading, the NSDAP (apparently they didn’t like being called “Nazis” as it was some kind of slur which nobody today gets) were evolving into pan-Europeans, or white nationalists to use the modern nomenclature.

          • Sue

            How do you get “nazi” from nsdap anyway? Only thing close to it is Ashkenazi.

        • Sick of it

          The Poles were attacking Germany after WWI ended. I’m not sure that they actually stopped launching attacks against the German people until they were invaded and crushed. The Freikorps was formed to deal with this situation before the NSDAP was created if I recall correctly.

          • Max Krakah

            BS

          • Sue

            Dresden too I’d wager you’d say? After all it was only Germans and they deserved it, right?

          • Sick of it

            I would have told him that I got my information from my German History professor, except his comment was deleted. Oddly enough, he’s a German Jew. He was also fair re: the Holocaust (i.e. not beating everyone over the head with it).

          • nicholasi

            and Poland invaded and annexed part of Czechoslovakia.

        • nicholasi

          Some say Sprite is better than 10 year old Port.

      • JohnEngelman

        The acquisition of new land and soil for the settling of the superfluous population has no end of advantages…

        For Germany, therefore, the only possibility out a sound territorial policy was to be found in the acquisition of new soil in Europe proper…

        If one wanted land and soil in Europe, then by and large this could only have been done at Russia’s expense.

        – Adolf Hitler, from “Mein Kampf,” Volume I, Chapter IV, “Munich”

        Mein Kampf was written in 1923. From the beginning of his political career Adolf Hitler intended to conquer Slavic countries, treat the Slavs harshly enough that they would die off, and replace them with German settlers.

        • KhanBoi77

          Stalin beat him too it with the Holmodor that is estimated to have killed 20-30 million Ukrainians.

          • JohnEngelman

            What you say is true.

            I was disputing Sue’s assertion that, “They invaded Poland because the communists were slaughtering the ethnic Germans in the area that was given to Poland from wwi.”

            To begin with, Communists were not in control of Poland, so I doubt they were killing many ethnic Germans. Second, my point is that Hitler always intended to conquer the Slavic countries.

          • Hitler also intended that Slavs such as Poles, Ukrainians and Russians be enslaved and worked until they were extinct. An otherwise intelligent, hard-working people went along with this.

          • JohnEngelman

            As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mould the best of them to the shape that suits us, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pig-styes; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitant and civilizing him goes straight off into a concentration camp!

            – Adolf Hitler, from “Hitler’s Table Talk”

          • Max Krakah

            At that point, the German public really had no option. Their country was at war and any opposition to the government would be seen as treasonous, as endangering the life of all Germans. Also, to speak against the NAZIs was extremely dangerous. Their hold on power at that time was complete and even children were encouraged to inform on parents who said anything against the NAZIs. They may have “gone along with it” but it was more out of fear and confusion than anything else. What other choice did they have?

          • Some of their old-school generals tried. Lieutenant Colonel von Staufffenberg should have simply shot Hitler instead of using that bomb. He wore his sidearm into that meeting, and could have run his magazine dry before anyone reacted. Of course he would have been killed, but any soldier must accept that possibility.

          • Max Krakah

            Well yes, Hitler had escaped a few attempts at assassination . There was a bomb at a German beer hall in 1939. But you speak of the elite when you speak of Stauffenberg .The elite had much more access to him and to weapons than the average civilian. What was the average civilian to do? Assassinate the local gauletier? They knew their family would be wiped out for doing so and that they would not survive the attempt. NO, they were DRAGGED along with it, they did not “go along” with it.
            IF obamma were to seize total control in this country, we would have a much better chance of opposing him that a german did in opposing hitler. We KNOW that the majority of white american’s are not in favor of him.

          • The problem for civilians is where one draws the line. Most of us just want to make honest livings and enjoy our lives. When our governments do things of which we disapprove, we still go to work on weekdays and in the end we pay taxes to support whatever it is our government decide to do.

            Some of my friends said “If Patriot-II passes I will move to Canada”. Of course they did not.

            In my own case, the feds wouldn’t get me my patent money and then locked me up for three years, so I will never work to pay taxes so they can operate. I won’t move away from Colorado, but I also won’t work to allow them to hand out money grants to Morocco.

          • Luca

            Wikipedia lists 27 attempts on Hitler’s life, I previously heard there were about 40. When one factor’s in the Beer Hall Putsch march and his war time experience it truly is amazing how he could have survived all that. The odds are overwhelming. Was God trying to tell us something? In the end, the only one who could kill Hitler…was Hitler.

          • Sick of it

            You make a good argument re: Obama, but I still think that most of our people would turn coward and even betray people who try to stop said monster from doing as he pleased.

          • Max Krakah

            mmmm. I disagree and the reason I do is the recent Phil Robertson situation. There seems to be a very large number of white people who simply are not going to go along with the BS anymore. Also, the public, especially young white people, are NOT going along with the “health plan”.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            That I fear is what lies ahead for us, we are all probably going to be dragged into a very brutal war nobody wants. However, our enemies will more often than not be apparent. It’s the ones that are no so easy to spot that worry me tremendously.

          • Luca

            You’re right and he was killed anyway. In the end, the simplest plan is usually the best. I suppose Von Stauffenberg wanted to have his cake and eat it, namely kill Hitler and then be a big shot during the takeover.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Indeed they did Michael, and so did some Russian and Ukrainian officers too. All were disgusted with the wholesale debauchery and barbarism, which they knew full well was going to blow up in their faces. You of all people, understand that better than most.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Hitler was both insane and a genocidal idiot. Had he seen the Slavs and Baltic peoples for what they were, Stalin and all of the Bolshevik leaders would have been shot or hung in Red Square by the end of 1942. You are correct, the Nazis had indeed killed a huge number of Germans suspected or actually working to oppose them. Dissent was mercilessly crushed, even more so as my father’s people were blasting their way into Germany.

          • Max Krakah

            I read an account once of the situation in the eastern German lands as the Russian armies were approaching. I can’t remember if it was Prussia or Silesia. The “Gauletier” would not let anyone speak of the impending situation. It was considered “defeatism” and such people were executed. Young men/boys in the Hitler Youth, who decided to try to flee west were caught and the roadsides were clines with the hanged bodies of such boys. Many lives were wasted when the Gauletier let people flee maybe a week later, but by then it was so late that they were caught up with the army and it slowed everything down.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Could you please post a link for that. Thanks.

      • JTK

        The event you are referring to, called Bromberg Bloody Sunday, took place on September 3, 1939, after the WW2 already started. Most of the WW2 Nazi propaganda has been rebutted long time ago. Stop reusing it.

        • Sue

          Of course, it’s always propaganda isn’t it? One and only one side will be accepted, yes?

          After World War I the Treaty of Versailles gave vast territories of
          Germany to the newly formed Polish state, although a large number of
          Germans were living in those areas. Polish hatred against this group
          already showed years before WWII. The first Germans were murdered during
          the “Third Polish uprising” in Upper Silesia (May 1921). Starting in
          April 1939 raids and assaults on the minority’s residential areas and
          its inhabitants were recorded. Months before the war started the Polish
          media announced that “in case of war no indigenous enemy will be able to
          escape alive”. Months before the World War two big Polish concentration
          camps were established where the victims of the planned manhunt against
          the German minority were going to be imprisoned.

          Manhunt against Germans:

          The hunt started on September 1st, 1939. The centre of the operations
          was the city of Bromberg and its surrounding area. Other regions were
          similar things happened were the Polish industrial hotspot in and around
          Lodz, villages and towns near the German border and the “corridor”
          (area between Danzig and East Prussia). Those crimes consisted of
          unorganized killings of civilians and the planned abduction of the
          German elite.

          Mass Murders:

          In villages of the western borderlands up to half of the German
          population were killed. Polish sources cite 3,841 victims while 5,490
          killed and missed people were reported. The real number of victims is
          probably more than 6,000.

          • bilderbuster

            Excellent post except you didn’t mention the 80,000 ethnic Germans who escaped the massacres & fled to Germany as refugees before the Germans put a halt to it.

          • Sue

            I stand corrected. Thank you for expanding. It should be repeated loudly and often.

          • Max Krakah

            Everywhere in Europe where there are two or more ethnicities living in the same area there has been conflict. The way to deal with this issue is to respect every country’s right to handle their minorities the way they want to. Peace between the countries is more important. Magnitudes more Germans were killed and displaced as a result of WWII than during the interwar period in Poland, so going to war to aid the German minority in Poland turned out to be extremely counterproductive didn’t it?Today we have the issue of the Slovak treatment of their Hungarian minority, and the Rumanian treatment of their minorities, the conflict between the Flemish and the Walloons in Belgium etc, etc.
            The only way to deal with white internecine ethnic conflict is to not interfere with the white ethnostates’ internal affairs. Respect their autonomy. IF Hungarians are not happy with the treatment of Hungarians living in slovakia then they should make room for them in Hungary.
            The German’s loss of Pomerania, Silesia, and Prussia are the result of their invasion of Poland. We must make it understood that all ethnostates have the right , at any time, to expel their minorities. The only time warfare should be considered is when a Government of one European ethnostate decides to kill a minority that can be displaced to it’s own existing European ethno state.

          • Sue

            The “victors” should also remember not to carve up countries at will.

            You’re not suggesting that what happened in Poland caused WWII? With or without it England was going to war.

          • Max Krakah

            England and France had a treaty with Poland that if Germany invaded Poland, they automatically declared war on Germany. You are not suggesting that if Germany did not invade Poland, that England and France would still have declared war on Germany are you? The Phony war only ended when Germany invaded the low countries and then France.

          • Sue

            I absolutely am.

            Rather than repeat it please read Dr. Mobias’s comment below.

          • Max Krakah

            If you are suggesting that then you don’t understand what you are talking about. Chamberlain was still in power in England, it was the allied defeat in Norway, which happened AFTER the German invasion of Poland that brought down his government and brought Churchill to power. The treaty was clear, and even with the treaty England and France were in no hurry to go to war with Germany, thus “the phony war”. No invasion of Poland, no excuse at all for England and France to declare war.
            A discussion of the Danzig situation is very interesting, but not relevant. The fact is, if Hitler had not invaded Poland, then France and England would not have declared war on Germany.

          • Sue

            Britain was ready for war a week before Germany invaded Poland.

            An early draft of the King’s Speech reveals Britain was ready to declare war
            on Germany a week before Hitler invaded Poland.

            The draft of the King George VI first wartime radio broadcast, which has come
            to light for the first time 74 years after it was written, is dated August
            25, 1939 – seven days before Germany crossed the border into Poland

          • Max Krakah

            To he victor goes the spoils. That is the way it has ALWAYS been! I dare say you would be happy if Germany ad never gone to war with Russia and had kept Czechoslovakia and Polish territories.

          • Sue

            Russia would have attacked Germany anyway as would England. It wouldn’t have mattered. Look at what we gained from our blood lust. Russia swallowed Europe.

          • Max Krakah

            If Germany had not entered Poland, Russia would have had to attack Poland to get to Germany. THEN you would have had France and Britain fighting Russia. They may have even made peace with a German state that included the Sudetenland and Austria, and Germany may have gotten it’s Polish corridor and Danzig. It is pointless to play the what if game, it is a game for children.

          • Sue

            Papers which were kept secret for almost 70 years show that the Soviet Union
            proposed sending a powerful military force in an effort to entice Britain
            and France into an anti-Nazi alliance.

          • Max Krakah

            goodby, take your meds

          • Sue

            It’s in the London Daily Mail look it up.
            The disparaging remark doesn’t make you right.

          • Dr. Möbias

            You are correct of course.

            Danzig is 95% German and the Germans in Poland (those not expelled in 1919) are a persecuted minority.

            Hitler tried to solve the problem of the “Polish Corridor” peacefully. He proposed that the people living in Danzig, and the “corridor” be permitted to vote in a referendum to decide their status. If the region returns to German sovereignty, Poland will be given a 1 mile wide path, running through Germany to the Baltic Sea so that it would not be landlocked.

            The Poles considered Hitler’s solution, but behind the scenes, Poland was urged by FDR to not make any deals with Germany. When it becomes apparent to Hitler that Poland will not allow a referendum, he then proposed another solution – international control of the formerly German regions. This sensible offer is also ignored.

            The FDR, France & the UK remain oddly silent about brutal Soviet aggression when Joseph Stalin decided to break the Soviet-Polish Non Aggression Pact of 1932. Poland is stabbed in the back as Soviet forces pour in from the east. The advancing Reds carry out massacres, the most infamous being the Katyn Forest Massacre in which 10,000 Polish Army officers are shot in the head.

            Poland appeals to Britain for help, citing the Poland-British Common Defense Pact that had been signed a few weeks ago. …The British Foreign Secretary responds with hostility, stating that it was Britain’s decision whether to declare war on the Soviet Union!

            In a speech given in Danzig after it was all over Hitler said:

            “I attempted to find a tolerable solution – even for this problem. I submitted this attempt to the Polish rulers in the form of verbal proposals.”

            “You know these proposals. They were more than moderate.. I do not know what mental condition the Polish Government was in when it refused these proposals. …..”

            “As an answer, Poland gave the order for the first mobilization. Thereupon wild terror was initiated, and my request to the Polish Foreign Minister to visit me in Berlin once more to discuss these questions was refused. Instead of going to Berlin, he went to London.”

            .

          • Max Krakah

            Why are you living in the past? WE are talking about white nationalism, a white ethnostate. What on earth does any of this have to do with that? Go back to stormfront!

          • Mergatroyd

            So says someone prattling on and on about the past.

          • Max Krakah

            I didn’t bring the subject up

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Let’s keep other Whites ignorant of their own history,shall we? Let’s let the victors, the Jews, write the history of the White race, that we are ALL exactly like the most evil beast that ever lived (Hitler) and that all Whites are “little Hitlers” who should be eliminated for being just like him. They like to tell us that but for THEM, the ADL, SPLC and other Jewish-led organizations, keeping tabs on White Supremacists — meaning each and every White — Whites would be goose stepping in the streets hunting down Jews, blacks, and other non-Whites. This is the anti-White narrative that is thrown in our face 24/7.

            Unlike you, I resent this revisionist history being used as a cudgel against the White race to “prove” that we don’t deserve a homeland and that by denying us a homeland, a 4th Reich cannot rise. Better for them that we are genocided, then the world will be a better place, so they say. The empirical evidence points to THIS being exactly the plan, flood all White lands with non-Whites until Whites are a small, hated minority and push miscegenation down our throats until we are blended out of existence.

            Problem solved for them, right? A White-free world. Stopping the revisionist history being used against us helps prevent the genocide against us and if you cannot see it that way, I cannot help you.

          • Max Krakah

            i think you and the other stormfronters are what ware called “ambulatory schizophrenics” your thinking is disjointed and illogical. Go ahead, have endless discussions of WWII. See what good it does you. AS far as Jews are concerned, I have made made posts on this site stating that they have been treacherous, that they formed the NAACP, created the media propaganda that has led to where we are today. Regarding Europe, I have stated that they were the creators of the Bolshevik revolution and comprised all of the upper echelons of the Bolshevik government, were the architects of ( Laza Kaganovich) and extremely overrepresented in the foot soldiers of the HOLODOMOR.
            You stormfronters though want everyone to agree with you on everything, and if they don’t then you cast them in your paranoid schizophrenic view of the world as in league with a jewish conspiracy. You refuse to take an objective view of NAZI Germany. It can never be criticized, it can never be doubted, and everything about it that we know is all propaganda. All one has to do to get you to go insane is throw out one fact you can not argue with and then you are ready to toss a person into the fiery pit of hell. Grow up.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            You are silly along with being delusional.

            You’ve done a great job attacking Whites on this thread. No wonder you are getting so many downvotes!

            What do you think the thousands of readers who come here and read your post think about you, and your political view if all you can come up with is personal attacks, harassment and total lack of respect? Do you even care about that?

            Instead of bashing pro-Whites, why don’t you direct your anger at REAL White enemies instead of pro- Whites? It is you who are wasting his time, LOL.

            Do you think there’ll come a time when you’ll stop denouncing pro-Whites as your life’s work? Makes me wonder about your loyalties and who is paying you to attack Whites, is it the ADL? The SPLC?

            You can go ahead and have the last word. Please be advised that until you provide a reasonable answer and stop with the ad hominem attacks, I will no longer discuss anaything with you.

          • Max Krakah

            You are not pro white, you are pro NAZI Germany. You are still fighting a war that ended decades ago. IT DOESN’T MATTER!. IT IS NOT RELEVANT!

          • Sue

            Again, spot on.

        • Luca

          Speaking of propaganda, why is it no one talks of the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 Sept. 1939? While Hitler was attacking from the west the soviets were pouring in from the east. That little tidbit is conveniently left out of most discussions regarding the start of WW2. In fact, it was the Germans who drove the Soviet invaders out of Poland in 1941.

          So the question begs, if England and France declared war on Germany for attacking Poland, why didn’t they also declare war on the USSR? Russia and Poland had been at each others throats for centuries. There was a significant Polish-Soviet war in 1920 and no one spoke of going to war against the USSR then, so why go to war when the Germans and Poles have a conflict?

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            That was because Hitler and Stalin agreed to invade, then divide Poland.

          • Luca

            I understand that. However, Poland was being attack on two fronts by two different countries, yet England and France only went to war with Germany. Why the double standard? That is my point.

          • Sick of it

            Because the people who founded and funded Communism were working with the Soviets. Remember that, according to official history, a significant number of western nations and Japan had sent troops in to attack the Bolsheviks…yet were somehow turned back. I mean really, Japan alone could have annihilated the entire Bolshevik force back then. More likely, said nations were waging war against the numerous groups OPPOSING the Bolsheviks in Russia.

          • Max Krakah

            “So the question begs, if England and France declared war on Germany for attacking Poland, why didn’t they also declare war on the USSR?”

            …well, that has to be one of the most ridiculous questions I have ever heard. Do you think They wanted to fight TWO enemies instead of ONE? Do you think that when BOTH England and France are threatened by Germany, they would throw away a chance to have an ally attack Germany on another front? That would be utter foolishness.

          • Luca

            Oh, I see. So, when your ally is being attacked you respond by saying “I will only help you 50%, I will not defend you against both foes”.

            And when Britain was involved with WW2 and we entered the war, we should said “Sorry fellows, we’ll be fighting the Japanese only, you’re on your own when it comes to the Nazi’s, we don’t want to make too many enemies.”

            Stunning logic, you would have made a great world leader.

            Just so you know, enemies are enemies no matter their number.

          • Correct, and the US identified Germany as the more formidable enemy. The horrendous damage suffered by the US navy at Pearl Harbor that removed battleships for several years and in the attrition battles of 1942 which sank or damaged lots of carriers and cruisers would take some time to remedy anyway, so Germany was naturally “it”.

          • Max Krakah

            So you would have battled both Germany and Russia. Brilliant.

          • JTK

            This is a very good question. Hitler deployed about 80
            percent of his forces against Poland in 1939, leaving only insignificant forces
            in the West. If France and England were really committed, they could defeat
            Germans in 1939. Unfortunately, they just waited at the
            German border. This is why we call this period a “phony war”. In 1939 and 1940, Soviets attacked not only
            Poland, but also Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania.

      • White Light

        The people who supposedly slaughtered German civilians were Polish, the communists were the ones who Hitler allowed to control half of Poalnd after he invaded. But in the simplistic world of the Nazis, anyone who opposed them was a communist.

        • Sue

          Supposedly slaughtered?

        • bilderbuster

          Hitler “allowed” the communists to control half of Poland?
          It was Poland’s allies the Brits & the French who had no objection when Stalin invaded Poland.
          Hitler kicked Stalin out of Poland but with the help of England & the US Stalin was able/allowed to return & Poland received all of the blessings of Jewish Bolshevism.

          • White Light

            Read a book.

    • SirMe

      The Nazis weren’t “white nationalist”, they were German Nationalist….

    • bilderbuster

      If you’re wondering why Germany invaded Poland may I remind you that Germany wanted their city of Danzig back but Poland foolishly refused to negotiate in good faith as they were backed by war guarantees from the British & French Empires.
      Why did Germany attack the USSR?
      Because Stalin was amassing the largest army in the world to conquer all of Europe only the Germans surprised him in a heroic attempt to destroy communism forever.

      • Stalin had a bad time with Finland. I doubt he would have wanted to try conclusions with Germany.

        • White Light

          Stalin planned for eventual war but didn’t expect it to start before at least 1943. He wanted Britain and Germany to wear each other down.

        • bilderbuster

          German intelligence before the attack suggested otherwise.
          After the attack it became clear that Stalin had been preparing for a massive invasion west. One of the reasons the Germans captured so many POWs & weapons so early even they were surprised & overwhelmed by the numbers.
          They came to the conclusion that there was absolutely no way that Soviet forces given their numbers & their positions were anything but offensive.
          Stalin had more paratroopers alone than all the other countries in the world combined.

          • KhanBoi77

            The author Viktor Suvorov wrote a book titled ‘Icebreaker’ confirming this!

          • Max Krakah

            could Russia be doing the same thing today . pitting tow enemies against each other in order to take advantage of the resulting conflict? I speak about Russia supposedly helping Iran with it’s nuclear technology? IF Israel takes out Iran, Russia goes in!

          • SoulInvictus

            Putin may be evil but not stupid. He knows nuclear armed muslims is not likely to end well for russians.

          • Max Krakah

            It is not a confirmation, it is a weak thesis, it is opinion, it is conjecture, and the man rejected much evidence that contradicted his thesis. Please, do not be so bombastic.

          • KhanBoi77

            Whats wrong with being bombastic on a White Nationalist comment thread? If anything Whites need to get more fired up about what is going on (including interpretations of History). Lets get the Zombies up off the coach away from football!

          • Max Krakah

            OK. I agree, whites need to be more fired up and I have said before that it will not be the genteel academics that will accomplish anything, it will be the likes of a Phil Robertson. This is no excuse though to peddle erroneous histories, backed up by nothing, that are in fact contradicted by all of the evidence that an author refused to consider, and claim this is “confirmation” . That is bombast for a falsehood that has no relation to our present struggle.

          • KhanBoi77

            Well I would take issue with the concept of ‘erroneous histories’ as I think some things are still open for debate and the real History of World War 2 is certainly one of them.

            There is clearly an attempt to even outright censor some views on History, just look at what has happened to David Irving as an example.

          • Max Krakah

            There is a lot that is definitely not open for debate. Sorry, evidence is evidence and open does not reach a laid conclusion by cherry picking evidence

            from wiki,

            “A noteworthy rebuttal of Suvorov’s thesis is contained in Colonel David Glantz’s work Stumbling Colossus: The Red Army on the Eve of World War. Glantz views Suvorov’s argument as “incredible” on a variety of fronts: first, Suvorov rejects without examination classified ex-Soviet archival material, and makes highly selective picks from memoirs. Glantz points to this as a serious methodological flaw. Further, Glantz argues, Suvorov’s thesis is strongly contradicted both by ex-Soviet and German archival material, and the facts do not support the argument that the Red Army was prepared to invade Germany.[1] On the contrary, the appalling lack of readiness, poor training level, and abysmal state of deployments show that the Red Army was unprepared for static defense, much less large-scale offensive operations. Glantz’s conclusion is that “Stalin may well have been an unscrupulous tyrant, but he was not a lunatic.”

            For his part, however, Suvorov not only admits his selectiveness but justifies his methods, recalling his work in the intelligence community”….

            Although Suvorov claims that an attack date of July 6, 1941 had been selected, this is contradicted by the evidence as presented by Glantz and others. There were no stockpiles of fuel, ammunition, and other stores held in forward areas as would have been needed if an invasion was about to be mounted. Major ground units were dispersed into small garrisons rather than being concentrated at railheads, as they would have been had they been preparing an invasion. Units were not co-located with their own transportation assets, leaving, for example, major artillery units immobile. Over 50% of all Soviet tanks required major maintenance on June 22, 1941. If an invasion were being planned, these maintenance tasks would have been completed. Most Soviet armor units were in the process of re-organizing into new Tank Corps; the German invasion caught these units in the midst of this reorganization. Such a large-scale reorganization is inconsistent with an impending invasion.

          • KhanBoi77

            Alright this will be my only ‘counter-post’ as I think we will have to agree to disagree on this, but I do want to point some things out before moving on (there are only 24 hours in a day!)

            ‘first, Suvorov rejects without examination classified ex-Soviet archival material, and makes highly selective picks from memoirs.’

            That is very wise to reject that material! Stalin is well known to have manipulated all sorts of stuff. Taking images of people he had purged out of photographs and the like.

            ‘Most Soviet armor units were in the process of re-organizing into new Tank Corps; the German invasion caught these units in the midst of this reorganization.’

            Soviets used all sort of tricks to hide the troop movements they were REALLY up to. And that was to be a pre-emptive invasion of Germany! (note that the Soviets used the same cunning use of troop movements to trick the Germans during the battle of Stalingrad, which was probably the turning point in the war on the Eastern Front)

          • Max Krakah

            sorry, you are trying to sell nonsense. The book is laughable.

          • That “Victor Suvarov” author was actually a Mr. Razun, and while he is a great fiction writer, readers should check their credibility at the front cover.

          • Max Krakah

            Believing the “Icebreaker” thesis is akin to believing the “illuminati” nonsense.

      • White Light

        The Poles knew what Hitler did to the Czechs. And, after he conquered Poland, he planned to rid it of Poles.

        • We Yanks would have settled them all near Milwaukee. We don’t hate Poles. At least I don’t.

          • Max Krakah

            German’s should not hate them either. They are almost the same people ethnically. There were many Germans that became “Polonized” when living in Poland. The German landowners, the Junkers, were protestant. Many Germans that had settled in Poland were Catholic. They over time, identified with the poles in a class struggle against the Junkers. They Polonized their names and stopped speaking German. Even earlier, the Polish princes sent agents to Germany to recruit settlers, often times children and very young adults went. This is thought to be the scorch for the story of the Pied Piper, only he did not lead the children into a mountain, he was one of many agents who took young people to settle areas in Pomerania.

            from wiki

            “Local Polish telephone books list names that are not the typical Slavic names one would expect in that region. Instead, many of the names seem to be derived from German names that were common in the village of Hamelin in the thirteenth century. In fact, the names in today’s Polish telephone directories include Hamel, Hamler and Hamelnikow, all apparently derived from the name of the original village.[15]”

        • Max Krakah

          The Czechs were treated much better than other slavs,

        • bilderbuster

          Come now.
          Hitler got rid of the Czechs?

          • Max Krakah

            I was under the impression that that Czechs were considered to be closer to German than other Slavs and were slated for Germanizing, instead of replacement.

      • Max Krakah

        but doesn’t it seem foolish now ? Wasn’t war so much more counterproductive? Danzig had a large German majority. In a decades time the political situation could have changed and Danzig could have reunited with Germany without war.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      The author probably doesn’t even understand the true meaning of race. Many people who consider themselves educated think that race is nothing more than skin color, and manage to engage in such cognitive errors as mistaken Mulattoes for being Mestizoes, Mestizoes for being Sicilian descent, and other such errors that are laughable stupidity to us race realists. Anyone who is a race realist easily sees the Negroid features in a light skinned Mulatto, and quickly picks up on the Negroid mentality when around them.

  • MekongDelta69

    Did you ever want to refute an article, sentence by sentence, and realize, “What the hell is the point? I’m wasting my time.”?

    That’s how I feel right now…

    • DiversityIsDeath

      I know exactly how you feel. Enlightened white race realists who are the academic type, well versed in history and politics, can parse each line of this article and painstakingly refute it point by point.

      • Hunter Morrow

        Yet all you need to do is call Caplan a silly concern troll
        jew and have a good laugh at him.

        Everybody understands a good joke. This article is earnest and a bit, how to put it? On the nose.

      • Alexandra1973

        What good is it, though, when all they do is stick their fingers in their ears and scream “racism”?

        Yep, I can see where it’s a waste of time.

    • sbuffalonative

      I know what you mean. But you can do it in your spare time and then compose a counter argument; even ask to post it on AR.

  • Hunter Morrow

    You have to go to different websites to get it so most people here would not know.
    Unless you really think complaining about blacksandhispanics is white nationalism,
    then yes. This place fits the bill.

  • DiversityIsDeath

    “The average white nationalist really is angry and hateful. Indeed, it is
    very hard to locate white nationalists who are even civil to people who
    disagree with them. (Feel free to prove me wrong in the comments . . .
    or right, as the case may be).”

    No way. Compare the impeccably mannered Jared Taylor, Kevin MacDonald, the late Dr. William Pierce, for example, to typical adversaries such as Tim Wise or Cenk Uygur. Shouting, interrupting, cursing, and name calling are the behaviours of antifas and liberals– not WNs.

    • Hunter Morrow

      We nedto shout and curse and dare to say all naughty words, to include JEW.
      Weak civility gets nowhere.

      You got a thumbs down for even daring to mention Pierce positively.
      Language control is how jews get power to write the crap we should all
      be laughing at when when we read it here.

    • Alexandra1973

      How can you love black people and try to make them live like whites? Is it really fair to them, when you think about it?

      It’s because I don’t hate blacks (I’m not singing kum-ba-ya) that I believe they should stay in their own nations. They stay out of our face, we stay out of theirs, everyone’s happy.

      So “average white nationalist is really angry and hateful” can go whistle Dixie. I would say some of us are angry…at the way we’re being treated. Hateful…not so much.

      • tlk244182

        “Average WN is angry and hateful.” So’s the average progressive. And what does ‘hateful’ mean, anyway? To borrow from Sam Dickson, it sounds like ‘hateful’ is anyone progs hate. I would get angry (and hateful) if I saw someone (old enough to know better) pulling the wings off a butterfly. I see ‘diversity’ pulling the wings off of Western Civilization. Something is wrong with those who dont see this, or see it and aren’t angry.

        • scottthestrategerist

          “Hateful” means the Left is full of hate for you!
          “Hate speech” is speech which the Left hates!

          • Alexandra1973

            A quote I like: Truth is hate to those who hate truth.

        • Sick of it

          There are plenty of people angry about this situation, they’re just cowards. They will likely not even lift a finger to prevent their family from being wiped out of existence. They obviously won’t do anything about the criminals in charge of this country who break laws like we breathe.

          • Max Krakah

            It would be better to understand what exactly is going on with so many white people than it would be to throw up our arms in despair and hate them for being traitors. Most people live in fear and are followers.
            Most “liberals” are merely narcissists who live in fear of “looking bad”. Others live in fear of the “reality” of what black people are and the dangers that whites are in. Both choose to live in a fantasy world where they pretend everything is OK. When you voice race realism, you are seen as speaking against the “accepted narrative” The knee-jerk reaction oaf the extreme narcissists amongst them is to denounce you, as to protect themselves by going on record as one who fought for the accepted narrative. They are in essence concerned only with their self preservation and will willingly sacrifice other whites out of fear of the , social-media-government machine.
            Those whose fear overwhelms them will be less cynically driven to denounce and destroy race realists but just as or even more ruthless. To destroy their elaborate mechanism of psychological self [preservation is a big threat. They will definitely hate those who voice race realism. They do not want to face the dangers. They want to go back to their sitcom generated and sustained comfort zone, their rainbow stupor.
            Why this is important is that it puts the lie to one thing that liberals claim, and that is that the fairly recent changes to society are permanent and irreversible. They are not, the changes require a continual reinforcement from media and authority. All of the changes, feminism, multiculturalism, affirmative action , gay liberation…etc.. go against the real nature of people. Remove the continual reinforcement for these changes and people will once again live by their common sense and natural ideas of good and bad. WE, only need to WIN once, by WIN I mean take control of society and eliminate the institutions that have been used to reinforce the liberal agenda. Such a WIN would require a complete take over and suspension of our current system. We will NEVER achieve our goals working within the current system unless we are stealthy enough to get control again and then declare a type of martial law.

        • Max Krakah

          what about moths?

      • bilderbuster

        But the poor Blacks will miss us.
        Sniff. Sniff.

    • Le Fox

      “The impeccably mannered Kevin MacDonald” – That’s a big stretch there, bud. He may not yell or anything but he moderates and ignores any comment that refutes his views. His “The Culture of Critique” was so riddled with errors and a complete ignorance of Soviet Communism that there is no possible way he could have wrote that in four years UNLESS he cheated. Which he did.

      Kevin MacDonald cherry-picked from Jaff Schatz, took his words out of context, and proceeded to say that Schatz agreed with him when the actual work did not! MacDonald did not bother to do research – broad research, that is – but quoted from a total of three books. That, or he did the Rachel Carson way and used a lot of sentences to make it appear as if he had more sources. He cheated, and even if someone politely tells him he is wrong, he tells them they’re Marxists and runs away, posting his big posts on his website to make him look like an Internet Tough Guy. The truth is, he is just a psychologist, not a historian, and he needs to know that it takes more than four years to write a huge history of Jews and Communism.

      As for William Pierce, he also got the Bolshevik thing wrong; everyone and their mother believes it was a Jewish conspiracy despite the evidence showing otherwise.

      Jared Taylor is by far the most civil. He does not care for WN Jewish conspiracies. He tells the truth as it is and he is left alone. It is those who try to lie and cheat their way that get attention. MacDonald is one. And to WN Revilo P. Oliver, Christianity is also a Jewish plot as it came from Hebrew origins. So WNs are always divided, and yet none of them know the whole and actual truth.

      • Hunter Morrow

        Jared Taylor, the most civil, because he has nothing to say about jews.
        My hero.

      • Geo1metric

        So, who has the truth, Mr. Fox?

      • Garrett Brown

        What evidence shows that Jews weren’t behind it?

      • Sick of it

        Yep, Lenin and Trotsky were obviously Christian Crusaders trying to bring back the Inquisition. /sarcasm

    • tlk244182

      Absolutely. Caplan is probably up against a deadline, so he’s making stuff up. I did the same thing when I was in college.

    • Hunter Morrow

      I still cannot get over a William Pierce/Jared Taylor comparison.
      Really, think about that for a moment.

  • Puggg

    Even if you count only Nazism and European colonialism, white nationalism has a massive body count.

    European colonialism seems to have resulted in long term population booms of indigenous people in ex-colonies, so he’s wrong in that count. So all he has left is Hitler, and that seems to be the only thing that bothers him about white nationalism, because of the personal ethnic angle and incentive he has to dislike Hitler and the results of his rule. His mistake is that he thinks that Hitler was “white” nationalism, when it was really Germanic nationalism. White non-Germanics in Eastern Europe weren’t so enthusiastic about Hitler’s brand of nationalism.

    • Druid

      Maybe the “non-Germanics” didn’t like Hitler’s brand of nationalism too much, but they liked it better thn the alternative, cummunism. That’s probably why there were so many eastern European units within the SS.
      ____________________________________________________________
      As far as today’s White Nationalist movement goes, we will have to settle accounts the black and swarthy people at some point, unfortunately. Too bad. I wanted so much for our American experiment to work, but non-Whites just don’t fit in here. So they just have to go.

      • Puggg

        I do know that the biggest military defection in history was when a million Ukranians switched from Soviet to German.

        • So CAL Snowman

          Yeah a little fact the lefties like to leave out regarding World War 2 is that when the Nazi war machine swept through the Baltic countries, hundreds of thousands of these people decided to fight with the Nazis against the Communists. Those that felt the jack boot of communism most forcefully were among the first to turn on their communist masters and fight for the destruction of the Soviet Union.

          • Geo1metric

            Virulent anti-communism was a huge reason that Hitler came to power.

          • Alexandra1973

            The whole thing is like pro-wrestling…you have the “faces” and the “heels” but their paycheck is signed by the same person.

          • So CAL Snowman

            No doubt, but we can’t mention WHO the communists in Germany were.

          • RisingReich

            I will – same people who ran the Communist Party in the Soviet Empire. The “Tribe” kind. Sorta resemble rats.

          • Hunter Morrow

            Do they look like Bryan Caplan?

          • bilderbuster

            Or Sweathog Gabe Kaplan?

          • Triarius

            Holodomor

          • White Light

            There was a large Jewish presence in the communist party in Germany, but it was hardly the only element. In the election of 1993, Communists received 17% of the vote.

          • bilderbuster

            And the boot of the Jewish commissars.

    • RisingReich

      Finally an accurate description. You’re right – very German centric. But many White non-Germans accepted the Germans with open arms. Communism was much worse, much more murderous and ‘genocidal’.

      Just ask the Ukrainians.

      • Puggg

        Ukranian is half of my ethnic heritage.

        • scottthestrategerist

          Then I extend my condolences for your tremendous loss. It still brings a tear to my eye… and makes me HATE the Left in all it forms, because the inevitable result of unfettered Leftism is the Communists and their Red Terror.

          • Geo1metric

            The BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM is an informative read.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Ukrainian and Russian also makes up half of mine too Puggg.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Exactly, and they aren’t forgiving the ones who did this to them. The Ukrainian Holodomor was a genuine Holocaust, the one whites are beaten over the head with today is not, it was retribution. Neither are the Russians and Poles, who also lost immense numbers of people because of those who could not be named. They can only blame themselves for inciting Poles, Ukrainians, Latvians, Romanians and Lithuanians to rise up and kill them en masse as well as join forces with Nazis.

        • Whitetrashgang

          So true, I remember watching a program on the Spanish Influenza and WT was killing the cats instead of the rats. Most white people are idiots.This is why we need a strong leader, most people have to be told what to do and not think.

          • New strains of influenza mainly result from the south Chinese practice of keeping ducks and pigs together. Ducks eat weeds in ponds that are full of pig feces, and they exchange viruses.

        • White Light

          What hateful rubbish. Killing women and children is NEVER justified. Hitler murdered millions of Slavic people in addition to the Holocaust, one of the greatest human tragedies.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            The Bolshevik Jews killed far more of my father’s and therefore my people than the Nazis ever did, and the Nazis killed millions of them. War is war, you clearly have no idea what the Holodomor was about, let alone what happened to entire strata of the Ukrainian and Russian people at the hands of the Bolshevik Jews.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            So did Churchill. He sanctioned night bombings of German neighborhoods where families were sleeping, instead of military targets. Same with Dresden which had NO military value and was full of refugees fleeing the Soviets and he knew it. He also desired to blanket Germany with poison gas to kill as many Germans as possible. Churchill was a War Criminal who rejected all offers of peace from the Germans. He should have been sent straight to the front lines like those he doomed to death.

          • White Light

            The difference between killing civilians by bombing a city and killing them by gassing them in concentration camps is like the difference between killing enemy soldiers on the front lines and killing them after they surrender.

    • scottthestrategerist

      The Romanians seemed to like it. 🙂

  • newscomments70

    My black neighbor complains about illegals and Mexicans, that they destroyed his once peaceful, bucolic town. He had to leave because he didn’t like hearing gun shots. A Mexican friend once commented about illegal Mexicans, “My God, we can’t let them all in”. Are these men white evil white nationalists?

    • Sick of it

      I’ve known an Indio type who is 2nd generation from Mexico and who constantly calls illegals wetbacks. He’s not a fan of open borders.

      • newscomments70

        There are minorities that tell it like it is about race realism. My first lessons about race realism were from a black man I knew from the South Bronx. I would see him at the gym occasionally. He warned me in his preacher voice, “Don’t be naive! Blacks in the hood HATE you. The will attack you. Stay OUT of there!” I believed him. No white liberal or neo-con would ever say those things.

  • Hunter Morrow

    Wow,comments about jews and william luther pierce didnt even last five minutes.
    Record speed, moderators! Commendable censorship!

  • DiversityIsDeath

    “Reliable statistics on contemporary white nationalist violence are hard to find, but if you divide white nationalists’ most visible crimes by their tiny population, their per-capita violent crime rate looks very high indeed.”

    Another lie. Reliable stats on WN violence are hard to find because there isn’t any WN violence. It is so rare as to be zero. We know that blacks commit far more violent crime than all the evil ray-siss white nationalists combined. And what kind of formula is that anyway? “.. if you divide WNs ‘most visible crimes’ by their ‘tiny’ population, their per-capita violent crime rate looks very high indeed.” No, WN’s violent crime rate does not look “very high indeed”, no matter how he wants to calculate it. (And what are WNs most visible crimes anyway?)

    • Hunter Morrow

      Backwards swastika graffiti?

      Hey rabbi, whatchyadoin?

      • This was from this past October in Philadelphia.

        This isn’t the first time I’ve seen news about a hoax swastika mis-drawn in this way.

        • Lagerstrom

          Looks like a running stick-figure.

          • robinbishop34

            It reminds me of ‘Walk Like and Egyptian.’

          • Max Krakah

            I hear the “Peanuts theme ” in my head when I see it. It reminds me of the way one of the kids danced.

    • 1. How does he know precisely how many “visible crimes” that WNs have committed? Does he count incidental crimes on the part of a person that happens to be a WN to be a WN-motivated crime? If a WN gets a speeding ticket, does he count that as a WN-motivated crime? And a lot of these “visible crimes” on the part of people that are supposedly WNs are very debatable in their motivation, and sometimes they’re outright hoaxes.

      That takes care of the numerator.

      2. But what about the denominator? How does he know how many WNs there are exactly in order to arrive at a rate?

      He doesn’t.

      That whole phrase on that part is something he just pulled out of his place where the sun doesn’t shine, and is just a bon mot that makes him feel good about his conclusion that WN is worse than all other kinds of Ns.

    • M.

      You really should repost your comment under his original article. The author is a douche, but he seems to be open to commentaries.

      • Hunter Morrow

        Of course,Caplan is open to a good Commentary.

        • Svigor

          In my experience, he’s fond of deleting opposing views, at least from racialists/WNs/Euro ethnopatriots. Maybe he’s making an exception since they’re the subject of the piece.

    • I have tried to explain this to my wife, but she can’t think past KKK/nazis/evil racists bad. Yeah, she’s a liberal.

      • Garrett Brown

        How did you marry a liberal? How long have you been married.

        • Hunter Morrow

          Fine to ask Roger but not Jared Taylor?

        • I was young and foolish!

          She’s not THAT liberal, just more so than me. Her world view is completely based on her personal experience. If she doesn’t have direct, personal experience with an issue, it doesn’t exist; anybody she knows who is associated with an issue is indicative of everybody associated with it. For instance, all of the black people she knows are educated, employed and friendly therefore all black people are educated, employed and friendly. She’s one of those who have to get “mugged by reality” before they start really thinking.
          She’s coming around, slowly, after lots of effort to explain statistics and probability.

          • Svigor

            Women are like that – less capable of abstract thought than men. The world is what they perceive, and no more. Everything is personal.

          • Garrett Brown

            I feel sorry for you. I don’t see how people that are so distant in political views can take the time to get to know and love each other. If you two do truly love each other however, I commend you. Now you must show her the light!

          • Its not so bad. Debating somebody who sees the world differently can be educational. Makes you think!

          • Svigor

            Bah don’t try to convert her. Just have five kids.

      • Svigor

        Tell her the commies killed far more people, and they were rabid “anti-racists,” egalitarians, etc.

      • Sick of it

        Ask her if she’s a fan of Chairman Mao, Vladimir Lenin, or Joseph Stalin who have killed more human beings than anyone else in human history…and they were Communists. Tell her that Communism is a form of SOCIALISM. That the things she supports are what the Communist International set into motion starting in the 19th century!

        • I guarentee she doesn’t care. Put it on pinterest, maybe she’ll pay attention.

          • SoulInvictus

            lol, that was good.

        • Svigor

          More specifically, communists were, and are, virulently “anti-racist,” egalitarian, and universalist.

      • bilderbuster

        Tell her that the KKK is a wholly owned subsidiary of the FBI.

        • That’s what I’ve always heard growing up in the South!

  • Ograf

    Instead of all the journalistic masturbation I will sum up my feelings to this author.
    “KMLWA”

  • Hunter Morrow

    A guy named Bryan CAPLAN doesn’t like White nationalism.

    Wonder why that is? He looks white to me.

    This is the freaking Riddle of the Sphinx here.
    Who KNOWS why Bryan CAPLAN does not likeWhite nationalism?

    • Hunter Morrow

      Maybe we tease him a lot when we got him on the spot?

      • AutomaticSlim

        Now, how many people do you think will get that reference to the 70s TV show?
        Have to be a TV junkie to know that one…

        • Hunter Morrow

          Oh, Caplan with a K. My apologies for the mixup, gentlemen..
          Truly a tragedy, the Shoah all over again.

          • Pro_Whitey

            Actually, Kotter, but I got it. I figure Caplan will shoot his mouth off, but when push comes to shove, he’d probably be a good Zionist. Israel uber alles.

          • Hunter Morrow

            The actor, Gabe Kaplan.

            Ah,everything for our greatest allies!
            The best little outgroup friends the White man ever had.

        • tlk244182

          Or be from that era.

        • bilderbuster

          As a child I watched that lovable ghetto Cosby Kids cartoon & the multicultural Kaplan & his Sweathogs.
          Thank heavens I had my trusty White Privilege there to protect my impressionable young mind from this anti White propaganda.

    • scottthestrategerist

      hahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahaha

    • White Light

      Jews?

      If his name was John O’Neil, and he wrote for a mainstream publication, I doubt his views would be much different. Multiculturalists are completely dominant now.

      • Hunter Morrow

        The jews pushed the multiclturalcrap andhave nationalism for me,not for the as their credo.

  • haroldcrews

    “Once you recognize this human failing (in-group bias), your moral priority should be bending over backwards to treat out-groups justly.”

    This moral precept is clearly in error. It’s true ONLY if the majority of the members in every group were to abide by it. If only some groups make every effort to counter the bias then the members of those groups who do not attempt to counter their in-group bias will instead exploit the other group’s efforts. Seriously this is rudimentary game theory and someone who claims to have sufficient expertise to write on economics and politics but doesn’t take game theory into account ought not be taken seriously by anyone.

    • Hunter Morrow

      What in group is Caplan, the author a part of?

      White, right? Oh wait. He is a part of G-d’s Gift To All Outgroups, jews.
      Everyone is delighted to have that outgroup around.

    • haroldcrews

      Presumably the group attempting to counter its own in-group bias is doing to in the pursuit of justice. However if other groups do not make the same attempt to counter their own in-group bias to the same extent as the group(s) that do counter their own bias ends up not receiving justice but putting in place instead a system of its own oppression. And this is what we see today with minority privilege.

      Since the game players are employing different strategies and also seeking different goals the game being played is asymmetric. One group, whites for instance, has a goal of a color-blind defined just society and attempts to achieve it through non-discrimination or even ‘remedial’ discrimination. Another group, blacks for instance, have the goal of domination through legal privilege and seek to achieve it through putting in place a system of legal privilege. Each group has different goals and different strategies. In these circumstances the black group is favored to win because of in-group solidarity and the simple fact that the white group game’s goal of a color-blind society is impossible to since only the white group is playing it.

      The only rational action for the white group is to stop playing a game it can not win and join the same game all the other groups are playing – advancing group interest.

      • scottthestrategerist

        Yours is one of the best posts (if not the best) I’ve ever read explaining white nationalism. Thank you. 🙂

        • haroldcrews

          You’re welcome. Thanks for the compliment. You should probably be better read however.

      • Geo1metric

        And thus the expression, “Race is destiny”.

  • Luca

    Arguing, debating or picking apart this article would be about as productive as taking the time to analyze and dispute the validity of Jack and the Beanstalk.

  • Hunter Morrow

    Bryan Caplan is a jew. Five shekels to whoever guesses the minute this is deleted.
    Clock at fiveoh nine. GO

  • One of the most poorly thought out articles I’ve read in the past few years. You can’t start out by saying “White nationalism is one of the most reviled ideologies on earth” and expect any kind of unbiased view after that.

    • Hunter Morrow

      Oh, you thought this was journalism and not a Mossad hit piece.
      Try looking at an author’s name before reading.
      Quite instructive.
      I hope you already knew that.

    • Svigor

      Actually, he’s right, and it’s quite telling that he’s bothering – by his own admission – to attack the least salient example of what he claims to oppose (in all its forms) while ignoring the most salient examples (foremost of which is the nationalism of his own tribe).

      • White Light

        He has mentioned it.

        • Svigor

          Mentioning it is kind of a low bar.

  • M.

    “Indeed, it is very hard to locate white nationalists who are even civil
    to people who disagree with them. (Feel free to prove me wrong in the
    comments . . . or right, as the case may be).”

    Jared Taylor.

    • Hunter Morrow

      When did he become a White nationalist?
      I thought Christmas was over.
      Somebody tell David Duke he won’t get kicked out anymore.

      • M.

        He wrote an entire book about White Identity! Jared Taylor is definitely a white nationalist.

        • Hunter Morrow

          Yet he skipped the most important chapter!
          I have the book.

    • WR_the_realist

      In my experience it is very hard to locate radical leftists who are even civil to people who disagree with them.

      • Non Humans

        You dont even have to go as far left as radical. The dogmas are so effectively ingrained that even most barely left of centers are not civil during even light racial discussions.
        .
        Moreover, it does a reall good job of displaying their immaturity.

        • bilderbuster

          And gullibility.

      • Alexandra1973

        My mom’s an Obama supporter. Yet she prides herself on having taught me to think for myself.

        We get along just fine, just don’t let us get into a political debate.

        • WR_the_realist

          Some members of my family voted for Obama. Given that the alternatives were McCain and Romney, I can understand why they did. I will always vote for a third party candidate in preference to the turd sandwiches offered up by the mainstream parties.

          • Alexandra1973

            I voted Constitution Party the past three presidential elections myself. Michael Peroutka and Chuck Baldwin (2004 and 2008 respectively) have columns on the News with Views site.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            I refused to vote, period. Why vote when ALL of the candidates work to further drive whites to extinction? They do not have and will not get my vote. It’s time for ardent, even extremist pro-white politicians to appear.

    • Svigor

      People like Caplan infuriate all red-blooded males by holding forth from his blog, while ruthlessly policing dissenting opinions, all under color of the libertarian flag. It is only natural to be uncivil with such characters.

      • Just a hunch on my part, but Caplan is the kind of “libertarian” who on the one hand would oppose state action in the cause of white ethnonationalism as government overreach but then would turn right around and find no problem with state action to repress and dismantle private actors and actions that help white ethnonationalism.

        If I’m right, then the essence of libertarianism isn’t advocacy of restrained government, but being anti-white.

        • All libertarians are multiculturalists, blank slate is intrinsic to their belief system.

          • scottthestrategerist

            No, not all!

          • If you’re not a blank slatist, you’re not a libertarian. The libertarian faith is premised on the idea that all people are individuals and groups don’t exist.

          • Max Krakah

            They are the most treacherous ones. It was they who were singing of the bounties that NAFTA would bring back in the 80s

        • scottthestrategerist

          Well, no, that’s what SOME Leftist libertarians (the kind Murray Rothbard fought against his whole life!) believe, but please don’t lump them all together. I’m not even completely libertarian, although it’s Ron Paul who got me interested in politics.

        • Sick of it

          Technically, you are describing libertarian socialism. There is a difference, though one could say that libertarianism came from libertarian socialism.

          • Svigor

            Yeah, anarcho-fascism is a form of libertarianism, right? I don’t know much about it, but what little I’ve read has been spot-on IMO. In any event, while I don’t call myself a libertarian, apart from my racialism, I find I find my positions have more overlap with libertarianism than with any other ideology. Generally speaking, freedom is a great default position, IMO.

      • Laika

        It is not your duty to be civil to those who are trying to destroy your race, it is also right to be dogmatic when it comes to the preservation of one’s race.

        • Svigor

          I usually try to be civil. It just doesn’t last long when it isn’t reciprocated. And many times, I feel people’s abuse of facts and logic to be uncivil, no matter how sweetly they smile while they say it.

          But, I think being civil definitely has its place, and is as good a default as any. We have a duty to do what works most effectively, I think.

    • I’m civil in a quarrel, but I’m not quite completely W.N. I’m on their side to the extent they are on my side. Of course I’m also on your side to the extent that you are on my side. Funny, that.

      • M.

        Who’s “they”, white people?

    • SoulInvictus

      Because to agree there is even something to debate and be civil about is to countenance the extinction of your own people and culture.
      I wouldn’t expect WN’s to be any more hospitable to people that “disagree” with them than jews are to the arabs that will only be happy when they’re pushed into the sea.
      Like the above post by haroldcrews says, you can’t compromise when you’re not even seeking the same goal. Extinction being a “win” for the other team.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    “Human beings are naturally biased in favor of the groups they identify with; psychologists call this “in-group bias.” Once you recognize this human failing…”
    ——————
    If all humans have in-group bias then why is it a “failing”? It seems odd that all humans would have been born with this trait and evolution would not have weeded it out if it is a failing. Perhaps it’s not a failing, but a strength.

    • Hunter Morrow

      What group is Bryan Caplan a partof? Anybody care to raise their hands?
      Nobody? Okay, just me then. HE IS A JEW. Of course he does not want white nationalism and White race cohesion. DUH. Weare outgroup competitors.

    • In-group bias on the part of human beings is a feature, even though Caplan sees it as a bug.

      • RisingReich

        It’s survival instinct – is it any wonder this Nation is dying b/c it is denying this universal FACT?

      • Who Me?

        “In-group bias” is a survival tool. It starts with self, then close family (father, mother, brothers sisters, sons ,daughters, etc). Then that it spreads to extended family, (in-laws, aunts, uncles, cousins, and further). After that, it spreads to community, and finally race. This is NOT bad, it is natural and good. It is how a people survive and thrive and get ahead.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    Caplan is an ideologue and his position on immigration is stupid beyond all belief. However because of his strict adherence to libertarian principles, his ideology sometimes leads him to interesting insights (Read his stuff on education as signaling and stereotypes it’s actually pretty good.) I read some comment somewhere that something similar to this and it sums up my thoughts as well pretty much.

    • Hunter Morrow

      No, the position on immigration is GREAT for his in group, the jews.

    • Hunter Morrow

      No no no! Jews want immigration to beak up White nations.

      Read history,read Kevin Macdonald.

      He is a JEW who pushes libertarianism. He is not a libertarian that happens
      to be jewish. Try again.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        You haven’t even read MacDonald I bet. You guys extrapolate way beyond what Kevin MacDonald actually argues for in those books.

  • bigone4u

    White nationalists have the facts on our side. Thus, the vicious, lying ad hominem attack by globalist libtard Caplan. As the old saying goes, “If you can’t sway them with logic, baffle them with bull.”

    • Sick of it

      Mostly they seem to use guns.

  • So CAL Snowman

    So White nationalism is bad because Whites have the “firepower” (read intelligence and ability) to wipe out the other races? So I guess White nationalism is bad because we are SUPERIOR to the other races. This begs the question as to WHY we have not destroyed the other races when White Nationalism was still in vogue. Perhaps White Nationalists do not want to destroy everyone, we simply wish to be left alone to forge our own destiny. I’ve often found that the greatest admirers of other cultures are White nationalists because we have the intellectual curiosity that the other people of Earth lack. We understand the ONLY way to preserve the unique cultures of the races are to keep them separate.

    • Hunter Morrow

      Israel is White and packing way too much nuclear firepower.
      Those rabid White nationalists need to be brought to heel.

      They have oppressed the semites, Palestinians, long enough.
      Not content with brutalizing semites, they persecute blacks, too.
      The White Supremacist Jews in Israel are appalling.

      Botcott, sanctions and divestments!

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      That is because unlike those who cannot be named or blamed, that is correct. Whites collectively do not wish to destroy everyone, they want to live in peace within their own homelands.

    • SirMe

      Its both Conservatives and Liberals that have made white nationalism ugly. They usually compare White Nationalism to Islam Extremism, and place them in the same category.

      • And yet they remain curiously silent about rabid Zionism…

        • SirMe

          Yeah, very strange that, I wonder why Zionism doesn’t get any traction??

          • Geo1metric

            “Those you cannot criticize are the ones who rule.”

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Just another way the Jewish author is making ALL whites look like a threat to be killed off, that was the intent behind that remark. Bolsheviks, most of which were Jews, used “firepower” to kill 100 million whites, many of them women, children and others who couldn’t fight back.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    This is probably going to be a somewhat unpopular contrarian posting.

    The problem with white nationalism is that there is a very proportion of self-destructive idiotic white nationalists who can’t effectively argue their position and instead rely mostly on stupid slogans. This site is good as well as a few others such as Counter-Currents. VNN is not so good in my opinion. Other sites like Stormfront are stylistically way behind the times, and almost no one i talked to there knew a lick about political philosophy or human biodiversity besides a few acontextual crime and IQ statistics.

    It’s pretty solid as an ideology, but I don’t subscribe to the label because it really doesn’t cover enough. It’s true that I want an almost entirely population, but the label doesn’t really say much beyond that. It doesn’t say what kind of government the nation should have or anything of that sort. Not only that but it has negative connotations so i see no use of using it.

    • Hunter Morrow

      VNN is great. You are silly.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        It preaches to the converted that’s all, it will never have any broad appeal.

        • Hunter Morrow

          It appeals to lotsof people here. Have not had a comment deleted yet.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            Openly advocating racial genocide even if you really believe it is a terrible idea when trying to advance white interests.

            Not a big fan of Jews either but that seems a bit much.

          • Hunter Morrow

            Well, people who openly advocate for the end of White nations
            and the White race are doing swimmingly. Just why exactly are you talking about White nationalism, anyhow, Mr. SCHMUHL?

            Just wondering.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            Are you insinuating that I’m Jewish? That’s pretty low.

          • Hunter Morrow

            I am flat out stating it with your last name and behavior.
            But you keep giving me the business and you will make moderator in no time flat! Keep that big nose to the grindstone!

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            You act in a completely crazed conspiratorial manner which confirms what I said about that website.

            No evidence at all that I’m Jewish other than that I have a surname common among Ashkenazi Jews.

          • Hunter Morrow

            No evidence except name and behavior.
            You got me.You are just as likely to be a Kahlahari bushman.
            Are you or are you not a jew?

          • Hunter Morrow

            Jewbabble. The hallmark.

            :p

            I am German, Norwegian and Italian.
            Put it on the table. we are sick of babble.

          • Geo1metric

            My last “name” is “metric” but that doesn’t mean I’m a mathematician. 🙂

        • Hunter Morrow

          Bet me? Looking to make some pennies are we?

        • Hunter Morrow

          So are you a jew or Not. Have not forgotten!

          • Talltrees

            His surname is German-Jewish; therefore…….

          • Hunter Morrow

            I bet he looks white. Close enough!

        • Laika

          You are right. Most Whites will roll over and accept the loss of their homeland, their culture, their way of life and will go to the killing fields willingly with their children believing it to be a noble act, that Whites have NO right to life because of slavery, colonialism, apartheid, etc.
          To love one’s race and heritage if one is White is a hateful act, to believe in the genocide of the White race is the most noble thing one can do in this twisted, messed up world that most Whites seem to be buying into.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Not this one, if I am going to die in the killing fields our enemies are preparing for us, I will bring company when I meet my maker.

    • Brian

      The problem with white nationalism is that there is a very proportion of
      self-destructive idiotic white nationalists who can’t effectively argue
      their position and instead rely mostly on stupid slogans.
      ===
      How is that different from any other movement? Environmentalists, gun controllers, goldbugs, et al.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        Advocating racial genocide (which many White nationalists such as VNN) is far nuttier than being wrong about monetary policy or the climate. If you can’t tell the difference I feel sorry for you.

        • Brian

          Nice job attacking a strawman. I don’t dispute that advocating racial genocide is worse than being wrong about monetary policy or the climate. My point is that in ANY movement formed by humans, most people will not have well-reasoned arguments, and will instead rely on sloganeering.

          Try reading what I wrote next time before issuing a response.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            You asked how it was different and I gave you an answer, but here is one more specific.

            The quality of thinking in the white nationalist movement is very poor because of the simple fact that most of the intellectuals are left of center. There are a lot of irrational and abnormal people in the movement compared to the mainstream.. White nationalism is disproportionately lead by nutty people compared to other groups (with some exceptions such as Taylor, MacDonald, Francis etc).

      • SoulInvictus

        The most self sabotaging of which has to be when I watch some ignorant white trash spouting heil hitler. That always launches palm to forehead and a” way to win hearts and minds genius” in my mind.

    • White Light

      Indeed. The worst are the hateful anti-semites. I’m not talking about the ones who criticize the behavior of the Jewish elite, indeed I frequently criticize those traitors, but those who hate every single Jewish person for the sole crime of being born to Jewish parents.

      • Laika

        Sort of like how they feel about us White, isn’t it? Blaming ALL Whites with this “guilt” garbage for things in some nebulous past. How is it fair to blame White children for something that happened centuries before they were even born. Well, this is what is being done to us, each and every White, young, old, etc. White enemies make NO exceptions and believe ALL of have to go because of “past bad acts.”

        • KhanBoi77

          Time to get rid of ‘Whiteness studies’ on the liberal university campuses.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Indeed, they are blaming all whites for everything they deem wrong with the world, and killing us accordingly. That is another reason why many Slavs hate them with white hot intensity, including this one.

        • WR_the_realist

          It isn’t fair to blame all whites for what only the most wicked white people do or did. It also isn’t fair to blame all Jews for what only the most wicked Jewish people do or did.

    • Sick of it

      Generally, Jews who considered themselves to be a part of our people have become a part of our people. Those who maintain that separate tribal identity in opposition to us remain Jews.

  • So CAL Snowman

    From the original article commentator Massimo said :

    “There is big business and opportunity in targeting white communities and
    nations, seizing and redistributing their assets under guises of guilt,
    equality, and racism. Many groups of politicians have made mass fame
    and fortune through seizing assets/land/culture from whites. Those
    opportunities don’t exist for targeting other ethnic communities and
    nations, so there is no well funded industry of shaming those ethnic
    groups.”

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    The Nazi expression of extreme nationalism is well known.

    “Banzai,” the 6th episode in the acclaimed 1974, 26-episode The World at War documentary series on World War II details the consequences for China, Southeast Asia and the U. S. of technical competence coupled with extreme nationalism within 1930s Japan.

    Just as this site exposes the enormous risks of today’s worship of “the Other” — of multiculturalism and of diversity — that will ultimately destroy white people and the West, its ideological opposite, an extreme nationalism, coupled with by technical and scientific competence, poses risks of its own. It can lead to extreme cruelty toward “the Other” — and retribution.

    Nationalism is human nature. It’s why our ancestors survived, but taken to extremes it can cause massive suffering and loss for the vanquished and the vanquished alike.

    • scottthestrategerist

      What would be the suffering for the vanquisher?

    • Read “War Without Mercy”, by John W. Dower. This is about the racial aspect of the Pacific War.

      ISBN 0-394-75172-8

  • Alexandra1973

    I can imagine some equate white nationalism with anti-Semitism. Not hard to figure out why. That’s why you won’t find me on sites such as Stormfront.

    You can be a white nationalist without being anti-[name group here]. I for one do not believe that the Jews run it all. Yeah, they seem to have quite the presence, fingers in quite a few pies, but the question is, who put them there? Yes, they are God’s chosen people–but sadly they’ve pretty much turned their back on God as a whole, and according to the Bible they will be dealt with for this, during the Great Tribulation, also known as the “time of Jacob’s trouble.” I mean, the Old Testament tells how they obey God, fall away, get into trouble, cry out for help, God bails them out, rinse, repeat. That’s why salvation was then offered to Gentiles (see Romans 11 KJV). To provoke them to jealousy.

    I’m also not anti-black. I don’t hate black people, but I sure don’t believe they assimilate very well (and that’s an understatement). I don’t hate wild animals, but I don’t think they should be running around freely, tearing up stuff and wreaking havoc.

    And one for our beloved Mr. Engelman–no, I’m not anti-Oriental, I simply believe they belong in our own nations. I can be friends–pen pals–with a Chinese person, doesn’t mean I want them to take up residence here.

    • Svigor

      **Yaawwwnnn**

      • Alexandra1973

        Want some No Doz? 🙂

    • RisingReich

      Well I for one wouldn’t be so ‘anti-fill-in-the-blank’ if all these groups of ‘fill-in-the-blank’ weren’t so HELL BENT on destroying my People and Whiteness everywhere. It’s only a natural reaction (at least to anyone that hasn’t been completely emasculated).

      Fight fire with fire. No apologies, b/c they sure don’t pull any punches. We’re fighting a war, regardless of if you want to recognize or admit it.

      • Alexandra1973

        My point is–look at who their masters are. Back in Jesus’ time they said “we have no king but Caesar.”

        History repeats itself.

        Rome ruled Jerusalem at that time, but you had the Pharisees who pretty much sold out. Annas was named as one of them, as was Caiaphas, one was married to the other’s daughter.

        • Grantland

          Well I’m intrigued – who are their masters?

        • Sick of it

          “We have no king but Caesar.” And then they rebelled against Caesar. History DOES repeat itself.

    • Hunter Morrow

      Alexandra, You are another, I mean this as politely as possible, with as much smarm and civility possible, a Brothers in Christ dope.
      Please, drop christianity.

    • SoulInvictus

      I don’t even mind if they live here. A little (and I do mean a little) diversity is good. It is healthy. And fun.
      With a little diversity, you get chinese buffet, jazz, italian food in general, Hendrix, eastern philosophy and martial arts, and a cornucopia of hot women to choose from.
      Too much (and primarily mexican refugee&black) diversity, you get reconquista and Detroit.
      Pre-leftist dominance we were able to maintain that balance. Now all social restrictions for it are obliterated and the legal ones (immigration) aren’t far behind.
      When you’re 8% of the world population and everyone is flooding in to take advantage of your success in an impoverished world=extinction…

      • Laura Dilworth

        i just read that in 2010 we were 13% of the world population and that by 3000, we’ll be down to 3%-despised, persecuted…

        • SoulInvictus

          We’re well on our way to the jews’ situation so we better start taking some notes on how they’ve managed to survive and thrive for thousands of years while surrounded by the hordes.
          I guess arguably they wouldn’t have if they hadn’t migrated into western civilization and used it for shelter. So likely our deterioration will be fatal for them.
          Ironic that it’s largely their liberal activism bringing down the house around themselves like a deadly parasite.
          You and I better get to work on population growth. 😉

          • Laura Dilworth

            ha!

  • Truthseeker

    If this writer is anti-nationalist toward all groups, then I can at least respect his consistency. All the same, anti-nationalism is one of the most wrong-headed, reality-denying positions one could possibly take. It’s incredible to me that this writer could actually know that in-group bias is natural and label it a “human failing.” Every attempt to fundamentally transform human nature has led to misery. This guy is in the same ideological camp as the Communists. I prefer to be a realist: work within the limits of reality and find the optimal solution, which I personally believe to be nationalism for all.

    • Alexandra1973

      Isn’t that what liberalism is all about, taking what’s natural and labeling it a “human failing”?

      • Brian

        In-group bias is one of those stubborn aspect of biology that doesn’t jibe with the tabula rasa delusions of cultural Marxism. They try hard to deny the existence of aspects of human nature, like this, but if that doesn’t work, the fallback position is “it’s a thorn in our side that we need to extract through social engineering.”

    • Svigor

      Let’s do a quick fact-check:

      Caplan is Jewish.
      Jewish nationalism is the most salient in the First World.
      European nationalism is the least salient in the world.
      Caplan attacks European nationalism.
      Caplan does not attack Jewish nationalism.

      So, no, he’s not even remotely consistent.

      • Hunter Morrow

        Caplan is a jew, speaks of White nationalism, jews are White and jew when it suits him, what is happening in Israel again?

        Who cares, lets talk about Nazis some more.

      • Hunter Morrow

        Never, ever, talk about Israel except to praise it and get it some goodies.

        Feel free to run down Germans as much as you want, though.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        He’s consistent, he condones, nay approves of genocide for one. For another, he’s a hypocrite.

      • Talltrees

        Menachem Z. Rosensaft is vice president of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and Their Descendants. He teaches about the law of genocide and World War II war crimes trials at the law schools of Columbia, Cornell, and Syracuse.

        • Svigor

          And? In any event, I’m trying to recall why his name is familiar…

          • Svigor

            I suppose because he was quoted in the piece, lol. But it seems like I’ve read his name before…

  • Geo1metric

    It does not matter whatsoever that there are factual errors in the article. Nothing about the actual content of the article matters at all.

    What matters is that yet another article that says WHITE NATIONALISM…BAD, BAD, BAD has been published.

  • ben no

    I would say the opposite is true – its very hard to locate multiculturalists who are even civil to people who disagree with them, “What’s that you say? You’re anti-multicultural? You wish to preserve your people and culture? RACIST! NAZI! BIGOT! Right, for that, we’ll give you a double dose of immigration next year.”

  • The comments at the original article are interesting.

  • RisingReich

    Blah blah blah, Nationalism is bad b/c the oh so evil Nazi’s were smart enough to be Nationalists, blah blah blah, in group bad, white people bad, everyone else good.

    What a waste of a column.

    • Alexandra1973

      Hitler gave nationalism a bad name.

      You mention a black/white race war and you might get lumped in with Manson.

      You just have to wonder if they were put up to it somehow….

      • scottthestrategerist

        I’ve actually had that suspicion. You do know that Hitler’s sister-in-law later wrote a book claiming that Hitler was a British agent? I’m not saying it’s true and I haven’t read the book, but I have read Professor Sutton’s book (twice!) and I have another book here on my desk entitled “Conjuring Hitler” with the same theme, so it could be true.

        • Geo1metric

          Well, he got his financing from somewhere, n’est pas?

          • Sick of it

            Look at the checks to the NSDAP. He had financing from multinational banks and corporations…which just happened to be dominated by people we call “Eskimos.”

          • Geo1metric

            Of course! I thought no less.

          • Whitetrashgang

            Both sides of WW2 were financed by the tribe, you cant fight a war without money

          • Laika

            Look closely at who paid off Churchill’s heavy debts in the 20s and who FDR surrounded himself with. Same deal.

        • Alexandra1973

          I think I saw a picture of the book’s cover.

          I was also reading something a LONG time ago about how Edward VIII was pro-Nazi so he had to be taken off the throne, enter Wallis Simpson as the excuse for his abdication. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it’s something to consider.

  • dd121

    They accuse us of “moral viciousness” only because the cultural marxists hate us and would like to destroy us. How vicious is that?

  • Conrad

    “Intellectually, their nationalism is no worse than hundreds of other nationalisms; but the kind of people willing to embrace white nationalism despite the stigma against it really do tend to be hateful, if not violent.”
    The more a people come to realize that they are in danger, and the more they understand that this said danger is leading to their genocide, the more violent they will get and the more they will hate what this enemy is doing.

    • Alexandra1973

      Agreed. You can only push people so far, then get ready for a backlash.

      I guess the multiCULTists are seeing the backlash coming, and now they’re wringing their hands…”We can’t push them around anymore!”

      • Laika

        Who do you suppose is doing this to us? Other Whites? I didn’t vote on massive non-White immigration, multiculturalism, diversity and Affirmative Action, did you?
        These are weapons being used against Whites and ONLY Whites. These things are being done TO us, Whites are not committing suicide as so many here think with that “fatal flaw” and all that which is nothing more than a red herring. Our enemy does best when we are fighting each other and endlessly discussing black crime and IQ stats.
        This is how they’ve exploited us, to pit us against each other, examples of which are all over this very thread. Meanwhile, our White homelands are being wrested away from us.

        Who do you plan to fight to stop the genocide against the White race?

        You need to identify your enemy first before you can even begin to fight back. Otherwise you are stabbing at windmills while your country and history are being taken away from you.

        • Geo1metric

          ” By deception, thou shalt wage war.”

  • Marc Zuckurburg

    Bryan Caplan. My hero!

    Make my immigration reform comprehensive, please!

    • M.

      Hey, you’re back!

  • Hunter Morrow

    It is lovely that Bryan Caplan is willing to tell us how to be good White Nationalists.
    The first step chutzpah.

  • sbuffalonative

    “in-group bias.” Once you recognize this human failing, your moral priority should be bending over backwards to treat out-groups justly.
    How did a natural and normal human trait become a human failing?

    • Hunter Morrow

      Only a human failing when Whites do it.

      What about Israel then? Or ” black pride?”

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Genocide Incorporated, that is what both are.

    • Geo1metric

      Only because “they” say it is a human failing. Mother nature will not be fooled.

      Rip down the curtain and expose the shill. That’s all that’s needed.

  • Spartacus

    You know, I understand Amren’s position on jews, and I don’t condemn it. Quite the contrary – I think what they’re doing is very intelligent. You see – proving that blacks, gypsies, mestizos, arabs and pakistanis are inferior to us isn’t really a complicated matter. Quite the contrary – There’s nothing that can make you hate them as direct experience, as seeing them for the worthless sub-humans that they really are. But it’s not the same with jews – they don’t whack you in the head to steal your shoes, or beg at the train station, or deal drugs at the corner. They’re much more subtle, too subtle for lemmings to understand.

    That being said – This article is probably a reminder why each and every last one of them is the enemy, and why each and every last one of you disagreeing is a traitor. And you know how Captain Codreanu advised us to deal with traitors, right ?

    • WR_the_realist

      Sorry, I don’t see Nicholas Stix, H Reuben, Professor Michael Levin, and a good many other Jews as my enemy. And I don’t see those who want to impose National Socialism on me as my friends.

      • Spartacus

        Some of those you mention are shills. Others, I have no doubt, are quite honest. But it doesn’t matter. All warfare is group warfare, and in group warfare, all members of the enemy group are enemies, period. There is no negotiation of this, and no place in our ranks for those who deny the simple truth that the enemy is the enemy PERIOD .

        When your country nuked Hiroshima, they didn’t stop to think “Hey wait, all those people that are gonna be pulverized – there’s gotta to be some nice ones there” . When they fire-bombed Dresden, they didn’t care how many of the Germans they were incinerating were national-socialists and how many weren’t, how many of them were soldiers and how many were civilians, they just did it.

        If you want to win, there can be no mercy towards the enemy group, nor even any suggestion that the enemy group should be allowed to continue existing. To claim otherwise is treason .

        • WR_the_realist

          Who are the shills? So far as I can tell they are all sincere in their views.

          • Spartacus

            Have you read beyond the first two sentences ? It doesn’t matter which one of them is a shill or not, they are the enemy, we cannot afford to treat them as otherwise, or else we will lose .

          • Evette Coutier

            The game of genetics is about winning. There is no play fair. It’s win or lose.

          • WR_the_realist

            Somebody making an enemy out of every Jew is not my ally. Hell, I don’t even see every black person as my enemy. The more conservative blacks make more sense to me than the left wing whites. I just wish more blacks were like them. I recognize that races, ethnic groups, and the two sexes differ on average, and this means that given equal opportunities we will see different outcomes, and that attempts to get equal outcomes means that we will have an ever more totalitarian state trying to rig the system with increasingly unfair rules. That doesn’t mean I want to divide the world into two groups — white gentiles good, everybody else bad.

          • So CAL Snowman

            Spartacus is not saying that every single Jew is your enemy. He is simply stating that AS A GROUP they are indeed the preeminent enemy of the White race. Just like every single black is not our enemy but AS A GROUP they are completely incompatible with our race. The only way we can rise to our full potential while remaining peaceful and prosperous is to have WHITE ONLY homelands. Anything less will just continually lead to the problems we face today, You cannot have a bleeding heart for the “good ones” in every race and attempt to remain a White nationalist. I have only seen the light of truth for few years but each and every day reinforces my belief that we must separate ourselves from the rest of humanity if we wish to survive.

          • WR_the_realist

            Spartacus is making it plain that he sees every Jew as his enemy simply for being a Jew, even people like Nicholas Stix, who is in no way anti-white, and H Reuben, who has posted here a long time and attended Amren conferences. I don’t deny that there are many Jews, often with considerable wealth and influence, who push for open borders, and affirmative action. That doesn’t make the Jews who disagree with them my enemies. And I see plenty of powerful gentile whites also pushing for open borders and affirmative action. That doesn’t make them my allies.

          • Svigor

            Lol. Criticize Jews and watch Nicholas Stix go ape. He can dish it out, but can’t take it at all.

          • Brian

            N. Stix is our friend and ally; DiBlasio is my enemy. There is some cross-over.

          • Talltrees

            Imagine a war between Whites and Jews in this country. Do you think Reuben and Stix would side with us or liberal Jews? Since I’m not that familiar with Stix, I do think Reuben would side with us. He’s a good guy.

          • Luca

            And in your White Homeland, if you have White Liberals, you will very soon have all the problems they bring with them. Namely, their useful idiots.

            Beware of being seduced by “race” only. My thesis is against the Liberals, regardless of their color, race or religion. I call them Liberals, to save time but they go by many names: socialists, egalitarians, Communists, leftists, progressives etc.

            They are the true problem. When they are gone, all the other problems become manageable,

          • scottthestrategerist

            Yeah, what about good blacks like Clarence Thomas? I sure as Hell don’t want anything to happen to him! In fact, I want him to be the first person since Biblical times to live to be 1000 years old, and to be on the Supreme Court the entire time! 🙂

          • Geo1metric

            The problem is that if you admit one C. Thomas into your ethno-state, his “cousins” come to visit, and some stay, and then you begin to have problems.

            BTW, I also like most of Thomas’s S.C. votes.

          • Evette Coutier

            It’s about genetics. If you don’t divide by genetics, you dilute the gene pool with bad genetics. It’s not about good and bad. It’s about maintaining our genetics and not polluting them with inferior genetic factors.

          • Laika

            It is not our job, Spartacus, to be fair to people who are trying to destroy our race. I know YOU know that but others here do not, they actually supports them.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            It is our job to be as merciless and to eliminate as many of THEM as necessary to secure control of our homelands, not be fair with them. Survival trumps everything else, and as far as I am concerned I could care less about non-whites or what happens to them. It’s their job to look after their own legitimate interests, ours is to prevent a repeat of the massive massacre against whites in Eastern and Central Europe.

        • scottthestrategerist

          I wouldn’t have bombed Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki, so I am intellectually consistent. I consider Franklin Demon Roosevelt, Churchill and Truman to be MONSTERS and I’m sure they’re all burning in Hell right now!

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          Well put, Spartacus.

          Wait until resources such as water, food and living space become scarce — or are denied to us Whites — and see how people divide themselves up.

          When we Whites are lorded over non-Whites in our homelands, which is inevitably happening in the US and Europe, I’m sure those nice non-Whites will allow us access to the resources they now control, right?

          I’m sure those Eskimos that look Whites will identify with the White race at that point, right?

          Or will they side with their own people?

          Bottom line: It will ultimately come down to warfare over basic resources, as has been the case since humans were first on this earth. People will divide themselves up along tribal lines, as they always have, and as they always will, and is normal and natural.

          Pity so few see this and believe otherwise, that others not of the White race will come to our aid.

          Laughable.

          • JohnEngelman

            If economic growth comes to an end in the United States white nationalism may vie with democratic socialism in the United States for dominance.

            Up to now most Americans have thought that economic growth is preferable to economic redistribution. If economic growth no longer seems possible, the majority may opt for economic redistribution.

            On the other hand, many whites will respond as you do Bon and try to somehow impoverish non whites.

            More Americans under the age of 30 favor socialism than capitalism. Most of those who favor capitalism have probably never heard of white nationalism. Racial consciousness is declining in the United States.

            The side that wins will be the side with the best leaders and the most compelling messages.

          • Laika

            I and several others have explained why you are wrong several times over on this thread and many others. If you refuse to educate yourself on the topic and spout off based on your feelings then you cannot be helped.

            You wallow in your own ignorance, where how you feel must be the fact.

          • Luca

            “More Americans under the age of 30 favor socialism than capitalism.” JE

            And from what experience are they forming their opinions?Probably form being indoctrinated by liberal academia and Hollywood blowhards like Michael Moore, Charlie Sheen and Lady GaGa. That’s where the kids today get their information, therefore I put very little stock in their opinions. Once they get in to the real world and gain life experience they are inclined to change their opinions.

          • JohnEngelman

            A lot of them graduate from college and find that their college degrees do not lead to good jobs. They see one or both of their parents lose good jobs, and not find jobs as good. They know that while they are struggling the rich are getting richer.

            For them capitalism is not working. They are not indoctrinated. Political messages are only effective when they tell people what they want to believe and/or what they know to be true in their lives.

            Telling these people that hard work leads to success leaves them cold. Their hard work has not done them any good.

            At the same time they are not prone, as are many who post comments here, to blame the economic stresses in their lives on non whites.

          • Luca

            Capitalism works fine when Government doesn’t screw it up.

            When Government shovels tuition money into the wind and runs schools that lower standards, then we wouldn’t have so many phony liberal arts grads looking for jobs they don’t deserve.

            When Government raises taxes and EPA standards, manufacturing moves offshore and with it goes the jobs.

            When Government favors big Unions that bleed companies dry, those companies also move or go under.

            Prior to 1920’s we were a world powerhouse and Government wasn’t the behemoth it is today.

            Rich people get richer because they practice a formula of success. Some of that is smart spending, saving, smart investing, smart education, hard work, risk taking and hard work.

            Poor people stay poor because they practice a formula of failure. Some of that is going to include spending more than they can afford, saving nothing, investing nothing, using student loans for education that is not marketable, poor life habits, not using common sense, complaining and blaming others, demanding “equal” or more pay for less work and believing what comes out of the mouths of Liberal politicians and news media.

            I watched my parents practice the formula for staying poor and I practiced a formula of getting rich.

            The Liberal agenda wants to create more dependent poor people who rely on Government for everything from cradle to grave. This gives the Government enormous power and of course we all know what happens when any entity possesses too much power.

            There is no law of equality in nature, it is a man-made concept invented for political gain. It is a concept believed by fools and used by the evil.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            “They are not indoctrinated.”

            That is your ant-White OPINION.

            You are wrong as usual, but then you are a government uber-alles type. Young people in this country are presented with a one-sided narrative only, one that preaches Soviet-style socialism and that Whites are the scourge of the earth. Whites are never presented in a good or even reasonable light and everything we’ve given the world is ignored, but then you believe Whites should be subjugated under Asians and Jews.

            Your logic and reasoning are delusional.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are delusional if you think intellectual freedom in the United States is as constrained as it was in Communist countries. Americans are exposed to many points of view. They agree with those that are consistent with what they want to believe, and what they know to be true in their lives.

            Even in Eastern Europe, Communist political messages were ineffective, because they conflicted with the nationalism of the various countries. They were told that they were part of an alliance held together by socialist solidarity. They felt that they were part of an empire conquered in war and held together by force.

            That is why as soon as Mikhail Gorbachev indicated that Soviet soldiers would not shoot at demonstrators in Eastern Europe Communist dictatorships there fell.

          • Geo1metric

            “Americans are exposed to many points of view.”

            All one has to do to see the lopsided views American youth are exposed to is to, at least the “college youth”, is to observe how much of the academy self-identifies as liberal or radical – liberal.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            There is NO intellectual freedom in the U.S., not when stating the truth can cost you your job or career. The only difference between the U.S. and the USSR is dissenters are not murdered, imprisoned or drugged up in psych wards, which often leave people with brain damage. At least not yet, and even then schools seem to be targeting white male children as potential resistors in school today. It will however please you to know those evils are soon to be a reality here. Be careful what you wish for, because you might find yourself a victim of the gulag archipelago that has taken root here, and it’s spreading through our society like a malignant form of brain cancer.

          • JohnEngelman

            Whenever I quote J. Philippe Rushton and Jared Taylor about the intellectual and moral superiority of Orientals to White Gentiles. I get voted down. Some people do not want to be told the truth.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            You are such a fraud. You pretend to be a “race realist” but you negate that Jews are an non-European race. A thing that they themselves acknowledge.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ashkenazim have DNA pointers to Israel three thousand years ago, Italy two thousand years ago, and the European countries they have lived in since. It was in Europe that they evolved their superior intelligence.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Both Sephardim and Ashkenazim belong to the same race. However, only the Ashkenazim are the super-smart ones. Of course, with the exception of those who aren’t.
            Moreover, by your “logic”, the Gypsies are a European race too.
            The Tatars of Crimea (Geographically Europe) and the Turks of the Balkans and the European part of Turkey should be deemed White too, isn’t it?

        • Sick of it

          There were a lot more women, children, and elderly in those cities than able men of military age.

        • Of course we did those things, Spartacus, but when Germany and Japan surrendered, we stopped.

          • Spartacus

            The jews never surrendered.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Then what would you call what we are doing in the middle east to this day? Tell those subjected to American bombs in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc. that the U.S. government has stopped its war machine.

      • alex

        You don’t need to apologize to a fake Romanian.

      • Grantland

        You’re absolutely right WR. Not every Jew is guilty. It would be unfair to blame “the Jews” for the unethical snooping of the Jew Murdoch with the News of the World scandal, or the leering fraudster Jew Maddoff as he is led off in cuffs. One would have to concede the point.

        Yes, let us not blame the Jews for the crimes of the killer settlers and the NWO conspiracy. Let us not blame the Jews for the lies of the Jewish media and the filth and poison vomited out by Jewish Hollywood. Not all Jews are Zionists or media moguls or moviemakers.

        And let us not blame the Jews for the hideous evil of Communism which they used to enslave our Eastern European people, and systematically murder tens of millions of our best and brightest, following the dictates of their satanic Talmud. Let us not blame all the Jews for the feminism that has made enemies of our women and crashed our birthrate, nor for the rampant pornography industry which they control and which debases our women in all eyes. Not all Jews are feminist instigators like Betty Friedan or Gloria Steinem or Bella Abzug.

        The child porn market and the white slave trade might be dominated by Jews, as is the monstrous “Russian” mafia or organizatsia.. but not all Jews are involved. Let us, furthermore, not ascribe to all Jews the evil of the Illuminati or the destructive machinations of the Federal Reserve Bank, which they own lock, stock and barrel.

        Boazian anthropology, (denying race differences), and Gould and Diamond’s lies, and Affirmative Action which has so damaged race relations, is totally Jewish, as is the whole sick, life-killing illness of liberalism, Political Correctness and the homosexual agenda pushed and pushed and pushed by the Jewish media octopus and the Jewish advertising agencies and the Jewish led activist groups.. But not all Jews are culpable.

        Third world immigration, for which organized Jewish groups are principally responsible, is still pushed relentlessly by AIPAC and the like, as is the pressure to keep the borders open to illegal mestizo swarms, but not every Jew is a member of AIPAC, or the SPLC, or B’nai Brith.

        Not every Jew is a neocon warmonger, or a crooked shyster lawyer or an ecstasy peddler. Not every Jew shoots Palestinian children or assassinates intellectuals or stages false flag attacks to start wars. Many Jews are not involved in financial criminality like Ivan Boesky or Eric Stein or Michael Milken or the bankster criminals now strip-mining the USA and the world. Others in no way teach our children at school to hate themselves, or encourage them to miscegenate with “cool” black rap singers and basketball stars and bogus noble negro heroes on the boobtube that they control. Not every single Marxist Multikulti Professor poisoning the young minds at the Universities is a Jew, and there is a huge majority of Jews who are not Professors of any kind.

        There are no doubt Jews who do not denigrate Christianity or Christmas, or do not despise “goyim” and “shiksas” and believe that we are cattle destined to serve the Chosen, as is written in their Talmud.

        No, let’s not blame the Jews as a totality that is deadly to us as a people in their COLLECTIVE, certainly not! That would be “anti-semitic”.

      • scottthestrategerist

        I would add to that list Murray Rothbard, Richard Epstein, Mark Levin, Aaron Klein and others. Not all Jews are bad, and some have blond or red hair, and blue or green eyes. I know because I’ve seen it for myself. If we are to be ideologically consistent, we must accept at least those Jews who meet these physical criteria and are not anti-white.

        • Sick of it

          The very last bit of the last sentence is the problem.

    • Hunter Morrow

      Condemn it. People know to dislike them.

      • Spartacus

        Not enough of them yet.

    • alex

      ” And you know how Captain Codreanu advised us to deal with traitors, right ?”
      I hope you meet the same fate as you hero.

    • Alexandra1973

      Know what happened to help Hitler come into power?

      You had Jews who were loyal to the pope buying up land and doing other stuff, and it created quite the firestorm of anti-Semitism. That’s how come the Nazis were able to get the Holocaust going.

      I might add that it was another inquisition. Christians were persecuted, as was anyone who didn’t kiss the pope’s derriere. Hitler modeled the SS after the Jesuit order. He considered Himmler as “their Ignatius of Loyola.” It’s been Catholicism’s policy to go after the Jews, even Hitler said as much.

      This is why this anti-Semitism has me concerned. We’re going to have a Holocaust part 2 coming about.

      I actually have a copy of this “comic” book from Chick Publications. It is a really good read: http://media(dot)chick(dot)com/digital-comics/0114/0114_4.html

      This is where I’m coming from. Like I have said, I do not deny a Jewish presence…but it’s not orchestrated by Jews. They’re just willing puppets.

      • Grantland

        So who orchestrates it then? Who are the puppet-masters? Do tell.

        • Alexandra1973

          Did you go to the link? Even though you only see the first few pages of that book, it’s enough.

          • Laika

            Have you read the Culture of Critique?
            You obviously do not understand who is destroying White homelands and why this is happening.

    • It’s quite a leap to say that since there are a lot of anti-white Jews, it must follow that “each and every one” of us is the enemy.

      Comments such as yours might be responsible for people such as Caplan claiming that “each and every” white-nationalist lacks reasoning – and that “each and every” white nationalist lacks the ability to discern between group trends and individuals.

      • Alexandra1973

        As I’ve said, I don’t have to be an anti-Semite to be a white nationalist. For me, that’s just not part of the package. Being pro-white, believing that each race should have its own nation(s), and being aware of the differences between the races is enough for me. And not being ashamed of my heritage.

        • Geo1metric

          Exactly! Wanting to live in an ethno-state in no implies hatred toward any other race or ethnicity. It simply means, for me, the need to protect, nurture, and grow the unique culture of “my people”.

          • Sick of it

            Survival is even more paramount at this point.

          • Laika

            You have no clue as to who and what you’re going to be fighting to the death keep your White enthno-state. A White ethno-state that is being wrested away from Whites and handed over to third world blacks and muslims.
            I’ll give you a hint: Your main enemy is not the blacks and muslims that are flooding into White lands to make Whites minority; it is those who are pushing for White dispossession and race replacement.
            You need to educate yourself FAST otherwise you will be ruled over by blacks and or other non-Whites. Ask White South Africans what that feels like. There WILL be no White homeland for you and your children.

          • Geo1metric

            I have understanding of the enemy. I know the enemy. I have studied this issue for many, many years. I have read widely. You should not jump to conclusions.

            I also think that generalized hatred for out-groups damages the person carrying that hate. I am motivated by love for MY people more than I am motivated by hatred for the other.

      • DiversityIsDeath

        Do you think that Israeli jews take the time and effort to cherry pick which Palestinians are “friends” and which are “enemies”? Do you think Israelis stay up at night worrying about unfairly tarring this and that Palestinian as “enemies”? Or do Israelis just bulldoze over all Palestinians indiscriminately in the selfish interest of their own jewish survival?

        • Firstly, the hatred and violence between Jews and Arabs in Israel is far more intense than what we have here between whites and blacks – let alone between Jews and non-Jews.

          Secondly, you do what you need to do in order to survive. But there’s a difference between behaving in a practical way toward generally hostile groups, and considering each member of that group to be one’s enemy. For example, I avoid black neighborhoods, but I do NOT consider every black therein to be my enemy. I’ve known some refined, caring and honest black people. They are NOT my enemies. Do I want my daughters dating those black men? No. But this does not make them my enemy. A hostile attitude, dangerous proclivities, careless habits, abusive demeanor, or willful affiliation with violent/threatening causes will make somebody my enemy.

    • My old gun show partner was Jewish. He was scrupulously honest. He had been a Lt. Colonel in the US Army. He certainly wasn’t my enemy or anyone else’s.

      • Svigor

        On a personal level, Jews are frequently mensches. It’s when you “scratch” them that they bare their fangs. E.g., the vast majority would steadfastly oppose Europeans having for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. That’s called taking a side, and it ain’t ours.

        It’s easy for Jews to be mensches when they’re holding all the cards (i.e. when the status quo aligns with their interests). Try scratching them some time and see how they react.

        • Geo1metric

          Well yes, they have extremely strong “in-group bias” which is why they are so successful.

      • Whitetrashgang

        So you found the one good jew, invite him over for a barbeque.

      • Laika

        Yours is an anecdotal example which cannot be extrapolated into a larger group.

      • Luca

        Your example is a good one and illustrates a broader concept that I embrace: There are the good, the bad and the ugly in ALL groups of people. But it’s the percentages that matter.

        I think the “Bell Curve” can be applied to a large number of instances in nature, for me it is a type of Fibonacci Code.

    • Gianni_Paolinzetti

      AmRen’s position on Jews is based on the fact that, if you really identify yourself as a race-realist, you basically cannot craft a coherent and meaningful definition of the white/European race without including the phenotypically white Ashkenazim as part thereof (or at least as very closely related cousins). Obviously, the Ashkenazy Jews have a closer genetic bond with Middle Eastern Semitic peoples than most of the white gentile Europeans have, but if you peel off the peculiar political ideologies and religious traditions of the Jews, you’re left with a people who are essentially and phenotypically white. In-group bias and kin selection theory – which provide more than some of the basis for racial identity – wouldn’t lead you to predict that white gentiles would naturally segregate themselves from Ashkenazim if they couldn’t rely on the political and religious identity of the Jews as a basis for the segregation; whereas, kin-selection theory would lead you to predict that white gentiles would naturally segregate themselves from Pashtuns, Koreans, or Hutus. This is not to say that Jews are indistinguishable from Germans or the English (either phenotypically or otherwise), but just that the distinctions are not especially significant from a kin-selection or long-term evolutionary standpoint. As I see it, Ashkenazim are just one of a number of ethnic sub-groups within the white race (just like the Poles, the Greeks, the Germans, the Belorussians, the Irish, etc.).

      I guess I understand — or at least have an adequate explanation for — why so many white nationalists have a knee-jerk negative reaction to the Jews, but I don’t think it’s an especially intellectually honest position to take for self-described race realists.

      Anyway, feel free to let me know where I’ve gone wrong if you disagree with me.

      • Sick of it

        Semites do not look Mongoloid.

        • Gianni_Paolinzetti

          I don’t follow…

      • Talltrees

        Don’t you think objectionable behavior is the cause of our disliking certain groups? Stereotypical images represent the truth at varying degrees. It’s those at the extreme that create the stereotype. There are differing behavior/personality traits between British, German, Italians, and Jews, as well. Before the intermarrying between Europeans in the U.S., their stereotypes were obvious and frequently targeted with jokes. What throws a monkey wrench into our stereotypical image is when we meet someone who is not stereotypical, like the Jewish man who lives across the street from me. While he may be astereotypical, it doesn’t mean that many are not.

        In addition to behavior, culture may be objectionable. None of us want to live in black or Mexican neighborhoods. From my experience, Jews move into both European and Jewish neighborhoods without repercussions from Europeans as would be with other minorities. Although, Jews are tribal, they live more like Europeans than other groups. Important, they don’t devalue the neighborhood.

        I think stereotypical group behavior and culture are why we don’t want to associate with certain groups even though there might be some who are not typical of the group.

        • Gianni_Paolinzetti

          Right, I basically agree with you. Personally, though, I find it more objectionable when a gentile white liberal evangelizes for leftist racial politics; at least the Jews’ behavior can be explained in terms of tribalism and advancement of their tribal interests. If you look at a group such as New England white liberal Episcopalians, on the other hand, there is no satisfactory explanation for why they should buy into such idiocy; for them, it’s just a shameful exercise in self-flagellation without accruing any benefit on their tribe’s account..

          My main point about the Jews was more directed at the claims I see regularly on this and other websites about how they are not members of the white race. Obviously, I agree that Jews embrace essentially anti-white leftist politics at a much higher rate than do non-Jewish whites — and certainly in some cases Jewish thinkers and activists have wielded very destructive influence over white Christian civilizations. I don’t think it follows from that, however, that the Jews are inherently treacherous by virtue of their being Jewish. They are racially assimilable into white Christian societies in ways that Hindu Tamils, for instance, are not. It’s more owing to the fact that they choose to live as clannish outsiders within white Christian societies, and the fact that they refuse to assimilate (or aren’t welcomed to assimilate), that their interests haven’t come into alignment with other whites’ interests, and it’s why the gentile vs. Jew problems are perpetuated. If the Jewish immigrants to America had done what many Irish, German, and Italian Catholics had done, and actually made attempts to knit into the maturing American identity, I don’t think it would be problematic two or three generations later that they had come from Jewish ancestry. The same cannot be said of the Han Chinese immigrants to the Pacific coast, however. Even if those Chinese had tried to assimilate, the racial differences inherent in their being Chinese prevents them from ever being bona fide “members” of western/European civilization.

          • Laika

            Should Jews be considered Whites?

            “Jews typically do not identify with the people and culture of Christian Europe and its offshoots; traditional Jewish attitudes conceptualize Judaism as separate from White, Christian society; partly because of their lack of identification with non-White Christian culture, Jewish groups have led the campaign to remove Christianity from the public square.”

            “There is a long history of very mainstream Jewish activism and identity that sees Christian Europe as an evil outgroup responsible for a long history of persecuting Jews; an important aspect of Jewish self-conception in America.”

            “Jews are a relatively powerful group that has often been in competition with non-Jewish Europeans”

            “Jewish ethnic activism typically excludes non-Jewish Whites and favors Jews, as in the appointment of Elena Kagan and the Jewish campaign to increase Jewish enrollment in Ivy League universities.”

            “As a result, the distinction between Jew and non-Jewish White is of considerable real world importance.”

            www (dot) theoccidentalobserver (dot) net/2012/12/ron-unz-on-the-illusory-american-meritocracy/

          • Gianni_Paolinzetti

            Right, I don’t really dispute any of that. But insofar as we both agree that race is not determined by social conditioning or mere self-identification, then, for purposes of racial classification, it doesn’t especially matter how the Jews think about themselves any more than it matters what the Irish or the Afro-Caribbeans consider themselves to be. Obviously, the historical track record of the Ashkenazy Jews in Europe and America is characterized by considerable friction between them and whoever happens to be their host nation. I am not by any means trying to suggest that Jewish people in the aggregate have had a net-positive effect on the campaign to preserve western European civilizations; I’m just suggesting that we need not universally consider them our enemies or inherently hostile to our cause simply because they happen to be Jewish. Personally, I’d prefer the company of people like Paul Gottfried and Nicholas Stix to people like Robert Jensen or Peggy McIntosh, or to someone like Thomas Sowell (who I’m sure is a fine gentleman).

          • Sick of it

            “I am not by any means trying to suggest that Jewish people in the aggregate have had a net-positive effect on the campaign to preserve western European civilizations; I’m just suggesting that we need not universally consider them our enemies or inherently hostile to our cause simply because they happen to be Jewish.”

            Gianni, why is that some Jews married white people and have white Christian descendants while others did not? This has little to do with blood and ancestry and much more to do with a culture/tribe hellbent on destroying the lot of us.

            We’ve had several posters admit to being partially Jewish. They do not think the same way as most Jews, they do not identify with them, and they will not hunt down white people like dogs and put them in the ground out of abject hatred for us.

            Why are they not simply white people? Why does a certain SMALL PORTION of those who have Jewish blood worldwide maintain this tribal identity in opposition to us and maintain this hatred of us? You’re thinking forest when you’re only looking at a few trees.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            “they do not identify with them, and they will not hunt down white people like dogs and put them in the ground out of abject hatred for us.”

            I heard the same thing about WW II where tribes living next to each other NEVER thought they’d kill one another. But when the bombs started falling, it was take one side or the other and ethnic groups lined up with their own tribe, friendships aside.

            Wait until the fight starts over living space and see how things line up.

          • Geo1metric

            Aside from sex, I suspect “in group bias” is right at the top in human “drives”.

            That’s why the libtard “cumbaya”, multi-culty world is a bong-pipe dream.

          • Max Krakah

            the REAL question is what place will they have in a white ethnostate. They clearly are “white” but they also clearly have an identity that sees itself as apart from white christian europeans.I say, judging by their past history of treachery. They should be strictly controlled, not allowed to be involved with media, education, government, nor law, and encouraged to live in their own ethnostate. Is this discrimination? Yes, it is, just as much as the ethnostate will “discriminate” against non whites. So what, it will be OUR land and we will not repeat mistakes of the past.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            The answer to that if I have anything to say about that is absolutely NONE.

          • Max Krakah

            I can go either way, but if they are allowed, they should be restricted from several spheres of influence. In the beginning, there will be some by the virtue of the fact that they will already be in the territory that will be chosen as the white ethnostsate. The question is how do we deal with them . I say limit their available occupations and influence and let them emigrate voluntarily. Perhaps by exorbitant taxes on their reproduction. It should be declared at the outset though that their activities were fundamental in the destruction of the US as a white ethnostate and that they can not be considered as assimilable.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            They have a homeland, which constitutes a threat to all whites by virtue of the fact it has enough nuclear weapons alone to kill hundreds of millions of US. No thank you, I think they should be all forced to leave.

          • Max Krakah

            Well, I’m not going to die on that hill. If that is the will of the people or the people who will rule the white ethnostate, then so be it. They can always live in the rump/diversity state instead of the white ethostate, or move to Israel.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            There has been no history on earth of Jews “helping” their host nations; in fact history shows it to be the exact opposite, that they desire to change the world to fit THEIR ethnic group, no matter what the natives want of how many of them are killed off.
            What people here don’t seem to get is that Jews don’t give a rat’s *** for Whites and when the final SHTF starts, the “good” Jews will side with their own people. This is how it works because it is human nature, anecdotes aside.

          • Gianni_Paolinzetti

            Frankly I’m not very interested in getting bogged down in some dispute over the correct interpretation of some improbable hypothetical future event, but suffice it to say, it’s silly opinions like this that work hard to prevent white nationalist ideas from gaining any traction among the general public. We’re not really breaking any new ground in this discussion on the relationship between Jews and gentiles anyway. My point is simply that embracing a robust pro-white philosophy does not lead one inexorably to the conclusion that Jews = our sworn enemies.

      • Max Krakah

        I would say that at least a good third of Jews are indistinguishable from Germans and English. Completely and totally indistinguishable. In the Boston area there are many families of mixed Jew/Gentile marriages. I have met many “Jews” that could be models for the “Aryan” ideal. I’d say another 60% look completely European although of indeterminate nationality. Very few have a “jewish” look.

        • Hunter Morrow

          You need to train your eyes and ears better. Aryan jews, you cannot be serious.

          • Max Krakah

            well, in Nazi Germany, a Mischling, a half jew,Werner Goldberg, was used as the posterboy for the ideal aryan soldier. So, guess what, there are jews that are more “ARYAN” than YOU

    • Sick of it

      Behind every drug dealer is a drug-lord. And then there’s the pornography racket. Prostitution. Arson. Assassination. Economic assassination. Some groups are more dangerous than others.

    • Tarczan

      Blacks hate whites because they find themselves outsmarted at every turn,and it’s pretty much the same for enmity towards Jews. Jews are smarter than most other groups, in addition they have a strong group identity which adds up to a recipe for dominance.

      I’ve never had any problems with Jews, it would be nice living in a Jewish neighborhood, just keep me away from blacks.

      • Spartacus

        The jews are the ones who want to make sure you live around blacks…

      • Laika

        You will be an outsider forever. Why is it I am not welcomed in Jewish organizations then?

      • Geo1metric

        Nor have I ever had any problem with Jewish folks. I enjoyed beating my Jewish dorm mates in chess in college on a regular basis.

        The problem is that you will never be accepted as an equal. They insulate themselves at some level from the culture in which they exist.

        It has always been so and, I suspect, always will be so.

        Read A PEOPLE WHO SHALL DWELL ALONE.

    • What happens when every Jew you’ve ever met is really nice and you decide that they’re normal people? The guys who’ve betrayed my trust were all Catholics, and while I will never trust a Catholic again, I certainly don’t hate them. I’m not even religious, but experience has taught me to distrust Catholics.

      Not all Jews are liberals, and not all liberals are Jews. I believe you are over-simplifying things.

    • Truth Teller

      You are aware that Christians from the Middle East are some of the highest top income earners. Do you see Carlos Slim Helu as “inferior” to you? Also the Christians in Israel outperform not only the Muslims but Jews too.

      • Spartacus

        That’s because they’re White, the vast majority of them anyway. The middle east and north africa used to be entirely White. Then, Egypt brought black slaves during ancient times, and mixed with them, and it became non-White, but with the rest of the place remaining pure.

        Then the muslim hordes conquered the whole thing, and started flooding it with black slaves, some of whom they would breed with, and in some cases convert by marriage.

        Since the Christians there never had slaves, black or otherwise (or at least, had so few they weren’t worth much thought), they have remained White (or Whiter, on a case by case basis) .

        So that’s why the middle-eastern Christians perform better. It’s not because of their religion, but because of their race .

        • Truth Teller

          There was less mixing with slaves and this is why you see a difference in appearance between the various religions. I find it ironic sometimes that some WN say they support slavery though, given what happened in areas that had a lot of slaves.

          • Spartacus

            I have nothing against slavery in principle, so long as it’s done right (Whites enslaving dark-skins, and sterilizing them) . That being said, I wouldn’t want it in my own country, as it would make life miserable for poorer Whites, who couldn’t compete with the low price of slaves, and with have a very low standard of living because of it, kinda like how it was for poor Whites in the south of the US .

          • Truth Teller

            I don’t think someone has the right to own another person ever but in slavery, there is often an economic incentive to have the slaves breed more in order to produce more workers on the plantation and what have you. A slave owner wouldn’t want them to not reproduce but to rather reproduce a lot more to get more value. This leads to very different demographics.
            It also, like you said, results in less employment for the working class or at least significantly lower wages.

          • Spartacus

            It might not be the case anymore, as shipping them in from the sub-sahara, or another place, would be much easier with today’s technology, and infinitely cheaper. So owning slaves in today’s age wouldn’t be as valuable as it was two-three centuries ago.

            If this were to actually work in modern times, I’d imagine a state monopoly on slavery, with the state “renting” them to farms and mines, as well as using them for medical experiments, spare organs, etc. That might work without causing a massive hit to the livelihoods of the working class.

          • Max Krakah

            shipping them back is easier and cheaper too Give each one a bottle of barbecue sauce as they will be on the menu when they arrive in Africa.

    • alex

      Is there any difference between Gypsies and Romanians?

      • Spartacus

        Is there any difference between you and a worm ?

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Aside from the usual slander, lies and half-truths, this whole article is a splendid example of projection. Our enemies accuse and point fingers at us for the very activities they are engaging in covertly and overtly against us, to deflect attention and blame from them. Since they control the mainstream media, we never get our side of the story aired, and they can make us appear to be the bad guy when in fact we are being oppressed. They just keep repeating the same lies against us, and the non-whites and self-hating whites alike swallow them hook line and sinker. They are however creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, dispossessing and then threatening the lives of a people in their own country always results in violent rebellion and worse against their enemies. They are creating a growing hatred and rage among us that will sooner or later find a target, the correct targets at that.

  • Spartacus

    “This prediction seem to fit the facts well. The average white nationalist really is angry and hateful.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    While not technically a White nationalist, I really am angry and hateful. And I have every right to be.

    • JohnEngelman

      Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.

      – Eric Hoffer, from “The True Believer”

      • Garrett Brown

        Does that explain your hatred towards blacks?

        • He hates criminals. I was once a criminal, but I hate blacks.

        • JohnEngelman

          I like every black person I know by name.

          • Garrett Brown

            So about two? Lol.

          • Max Krakah

            and you hate the rest.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am not a hater.

          • Max Krakah

            so you dislike the rest, so what does it matter

      • Max Krakah

        a white ethnostate is born of a positive desire for a land where one’s people have a home and their interests are protected. Once again, you use lies to mischaracterize the whole enterprise. The goal that gives meaning is a positive one, born of love for one’s own kind.

      • ben no

        “Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.”

        Tell me about! Little jealous E Asian women who fume with envy at the sight of pretty white women, and then get verbally abusive in an argument about it, and project their feelings of inadequacy onto white women.

    • Alexandra1973

      There’s a saying, be careful who you hate, because you might wind up like them.

      I don’t blame you for being angry, though, as we Whites have been basically dumped on for decades.

      • Max Krakah

        Whites will not end up like blacks, Hate dos not change genetics. We will get our ethnostate, and we will control the number of minorities in it. IT will not be a “propositional” state as America is. America is a failure. Whites made it the success it once was but it was flawed at it’s very beginning. Certain peoples have used those flaws to destroy it and that destruction is happening before our very eyes. Retreat and regroup is what will happen.

  • willbest

    Treating an out-group justly isn’t the same thing as inviting them into your home, letting them clog your toilet, steal your kids allowance, kill your cat, and then letting them claim the south 40 for their own.

  • Evette Coutier

    What these fools seem incapable of seeing is that when whites become the minority we will also become the victims of black and Hispanic nationalism. What evidence do they have that makes them believe that other groups will not have in group bias and will bend over backwards to embrace us? The evidence is just the opposite. They will do a South African to us.

    • Grantland

      They are not fools. They are cunning and evil. The fools are the gullible Whites who take them at face value.

  • Hal K

    To these people, a white advocate is a white nationalist, and a white nationalist is a white supremacist. There is a constant shell game going on to make whites look worse and nonwhites better. The real agenda is to keep white identity politics out of the mainstream. They use white nationalism as a boogeyman / straw man. We have no white identity politics in the West. There is mainstream identity politics for nonwhites but not for whites. Politicians never engage in “outreach” to whites specifically. They never talk about how their policies will benefit whites specifically. They have dealings with nonwhite ethnic advocacy organizations but not white advocacy organizations. This is the key to the anti-white agenda. It keeps whites from thinking in terms of their group interests, and this keeps official anti-white discrimination, white demographic displacement, and slow genocide through race mixing going.

  • Evette Coutier

    Another thought. Caplin’s moral system is to promote other people’s welfare before his own on the basis that in group bias is morally perverse. This is hypocritical double talk. Does he do the same with his family and friends or does he put them before others to avoid the perverse in group bias. Of course he puts his own first, and then calls others immoral for doing the same. People who put the genetics of their own kind second to others belong on the trash heap of evolution. Chaplin, screw you. You are both morally perverse and a hypocrite. The correct moral value is to place you and your genetics first. Those who don’t die off and they lose.

  • Dave4088

    Bryan Caplan is Jewish so this fact should be kept in mind while reading his hit piece. Most of us could easily provide examples showing how Jewish, black and Latino nationalists are every bit as “morally vicious”, if not more so, and their respective creeds as repugnant, pernicious and genocidal as he claims white nationalism to be, but why bother?

    The irrational fear and hatred of he and his tribe towards white nationalism (and white nationalists) stems from the fact that it cannot be co-opted and neutered because it deals forthrightly with race and the JQ unlike every other movement and ideology (liberalism, libertarianism, conservatism, environmentalism, neo-Marxism, etc.) that his kind have either created, or infiltrated and misdirected.

    White nationalism is diametrically opposed to their goal of destroying all white nations through miscegenation and of transforming humanity into a raceless, formless blob.

  • ben no

    White nationalists, racial realists, and separatists…Let’s stop blaming Jews for everything.

    Jews may have strong media control, prevailing influence and deep pockets, but they don’t literally force whites to go along with their ideas and deeds. We wish to entirely blame them if only to free our people of any self-blame. That is wrong. Look, I think it is time to accept the possibility of there being a sort of mental illness in our race that is highly self-destructive in nature. It may be the same mental illness that caused

    numbers of our ancestors to want to harm others in a cruel manner. It’s those
    individuals of our race who have narcissistic tendencies to where this illness
    acts upon its audacity, I think, as we are generally the most compassionate people on earth. It is reasonable to believe that political leaders have narcissistic tendencies that tend to dominate their thinking when there is a case of vindictive oppression.

    Our oppression isn’t a consequence of bad, foolish choices, but rather such choices are intentional do inflict harm and will find validation through lies and distortions. It’s not about the immigrants value to the economy or their cultural enrichment and never was, but primarily it’s about them liberals getting the voting numbers they want, and our racial and cultural suffering at the expense of the economy and demographics. Yes, our oppression is more important than anything – and just about anything else can suffer as a consequence. This is very narcissistic in nature. Their favorite trick is invalidation, including a particularly nasty and insidious form of invalidation called gas-lighting. No matter what concerns and fears you bring up, they’ll dismiss them on the basis of you being simply racist and wanting supremacy. They may even try to make you feel guilty for asking for things that don’t benefit the immigrants. This stand point is indefensible and horribly abusive.

    Gas lighting is one of the most insidious, vicious, and nasty and effective forms of emotional and psychological abuse being practiced on our people by our leaders. Our perceptions of reality on our racial existence and right to remain the majority with a distinct culture, are constantly denied, and above all, denied by our very own, the people you turn to the most for support and reasoning, it is very, very head-wrecking and
    crazy-making. They’re getting us to commit racial and cultural suicide by emotionally abusing us with invalidation and gas-lighting while being put in a penalized position.

    This is going to mark history as a first, and it precedes any other malignant destructive plan with genocide effects known to man. No people on record have been – in a calculated and tactful way – emotionally abused to the point of racial and cultural suicide. It’s completely abnormal and unrepresented in the history of the world. It is evil in essence. An evil I feel could only be of white minds. You say that white liberals are the puppets of Jews, and yet the puppets will act on their own accord to be especially malignant toward their own beyond the Jews expectations I think. It is mental illness and it is white mentality. The Jewish supremacists must be laughing since they get to exploit this mental illness in whites against them. That is their ultimate weapon, not their media dominance.

    A small percentage of liberals need to be literally sectioned. The rest need to go to jail and/or be executed for committing a genocide plan against white groups, unlawful and insidious by international law and carrying it out with apparent success.

    Replies please…

    • Hunter Morrow

      Jews do 101wrong things that victimize Whites,but could we please stop blaming them? No,no and no. We Whites gave the world everything but we get preyed on by jews and called public enemy number 1!

      Never,EVER saysomething like “Stop blmaing the jews.”

      Weblame them because they do so many blameworthy things and have done them for thousands of years!

      You would not say stop blaming blacks, hispanics,arabs, illegals, etc.Why jews?

      • NoMosqueHere

        Blaming the jews for thousands of years. Boy, you really hold grudges, don’t you?!

        • Fak_Zakaix

          Exactly, we are all Jews now. So this notion of anti-Semitism is rubbish. It is like blaming ourselves. The anti-Semites are just self-hating Jews.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Does that mean I can immigrate to Israel now because, according to you, “we are all Jews.”

        • Svigor

          You can keep dumping your 70% stat, won’t make it any more real or relevant.

        • Laika

          “More than 70 percent of secular or reform jews — in other words, most jews — inter-marry nowadays.”

          Prove it.

    • The big issue to me isn’t how diabolical that this tribe of non-Eskimos supposedly is or is not, and I suppose in the abstract and in good taste, the issue is worth discussing.

      But the more pregnant question is this:

      Why do we non-Eskimo non-tribal white people fall for their propaganda? Why are we (not the typical person reading these words) so gullible?

      Bryan Caplan might perfunctorily denounce Japanese or Chinese nationalism in this article, but there’s no way he would be able to make a living in Japan or China doing that. For some reason, the Japanese or Chinese are far more internally hardened against this kind of external treachery than most white people are, and even among white people, there are levels of gullibility, with Russians perhaps being an example of a group of white people fairly well resistant to that plague.

      There are no Southern Poverty Law Centers in Japan, China or Russia.

      • Grantland

        Every race has strengths and weaknesses. Our goodwill and honesty and trust – our civility – is a unique strength that helped build Civilization, and a weakness that our mortal enemies are using to doom it. Conformist, robotic E. Asians have different strengths and weaknesses, and different avenues of attack. The birth rate in Japan is down to ~1.2 (2.1 is needed for replacement) – happenstance?

        • JohnEngelman

          Fewer people mean that there is more of everything good to go around. Japan is more densely populated than the United States. A declining population has many benefits.

          The relationship between population and standard of living can be explained with an equation:

          (natural resources x level of technology) / population = standard of living

          • Geo1metric

            Fewer people means fewer brains and hands to produce “stuff”.

            Are you also part of that group that proposes to reduce the human population to 2 billion??

          • KevinPhillipsBong

            I’m not sure why people are down-voting this comment. It’s true and proves that deporting illegals would raise wages for middle and lower-class whites.

          • JohnEngelman

            Some posters vote me down out of spite even when they agree with a comment I post because I like Jews and Orientals.

          • I’m married to a Japanese gal and I’m 3/16 Injun, but folks don’t down-vote me quite as much as they do you. Japanese were so kind to me when I was loaned to a chemical company there it was embarrassing. I had lots of Chinese friends and one South Korean lab partner as a university undergrad. Two of my best friends in Australia were Everett Lee and William Lao, both racial Chinese, though William was ethnically Australian, from back to front. I miss those guys.

          • JohnEngelman

            You do not point out that Jews and Orientals tend to be more intelligent and consequently more prosperous than white Gentiles. I do. Moreover, I document my assertions by quoting material I find on this website.

            That gets under a lot of posters’ skins. They do not like what I say, but they cannot disprove it.

            Many of the posters here are angry about their economic circumstances. They would rather direct their anger at non whites and Jews than at rich white Gentiles. They want to be told that the prosperity of Orientals and “the Tribe” is due to dishonesty, rather than hard work and talent.

          • Laika

            You have claimed victory in ignorance to the issue. Claiming victory in your case only increases the delusional quality of your logic.

            I will simply say you are more destructive to the conservative cause by promulgating opinion instead of dealing with fact

          • I don’t know that they’re more intelligent. They weren’t brighter than me, but in a friend I have always loved honesty, and Everett and William were every bit of that. William was very far-right but not so talkative as Everett.

          • ben no

            To say simply “Asian” will always be incorrect, retard. The fact that NORTHEAST Asians are slightly more intelligent that Whites is irrelevant to White survival in the west. Don’t you understand – you are lost in your own supremacy and its darn right pathetic.

          • Geo1metric

            You delude yourself. You get voted down because you post lots of drivel, canned statements, and repeat yourself endlessly.

            You simply ignore facts which contradict your ideas or facts which show you to be wrong.

            Lots of posters here like individual Jews and Orientals, myself included, but we don’t advocate for them AT THE EXPENSE of Whites.

            We want to SAVE our people and culture from extinction, not to melt into the great multicultural world as you seem to want to do.

          • I voted you down here to be ironic.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            I downvote you because you are an anti-white. You’ve proved that through your comments.

          • JohnEngelman

            Just because I admire Jews and Orientals does not mean that I am “ant-white.” I am anti race bigotry.

          • Max Krakah

            NAh, YOU are anti-white, you oppose the whole agenda here. Yo oppose a white ethnostate. You advance bedroom genocide. You tell white people they are biologically inferior, in contrast to all worldly evidence such as the proof of the white man being the sole creator of the modern world. The antikythera mechanism ALONE demonstrates a degree of technology, in ANCIENT TIMES, which the Chines never equaled in all of their history. But hey, they had the “abacus” right?

          • JohnEngelman

            I draw attention to what the creation of a white ethno state would require. It would require a civil war, along with mass extermination or deportation.

            What you call “bedroom genocide” is interracial marriage. Interracial marriage is a settled issue.

            I point out that Jews and Orientals tend to be more intelligent than white Gentiles, and that this superior intelligence leads to superior prosperity. I document my assertions. Some of the documentation comes from this American Renaissance website.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Of course it will require very bloody warfare and the elimination or expulsion of those who have the same intentions towards us. What do you think my ancestors did to the likes of the Tartars and Nazis who killed millions of them? That’s right, they often returned the favor by putting all of them to the sword including women and children and letting their maker sort ’em out. Your favorite Orientals have invaded and killed ever last person in every Ukrainian and Russian city they destroyed. It is irrelevant not whether or not whites aspire to a white ethno-state or ethno-states, the genocide and mass expulsions are coming whether you like it or not.

          • Geo1metric

            Being an advocate for one’s race is not necessarily “race bigotry”. If you really believe that, your favorite people, the Orientals and the Jews are extreme racial bigots.

            I, for one, don’t believe they are bigots. They simply have super strong “in-group bias”. Whites need much more of that.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            How can anybody like the Jews?

          • JohnEngelman

            I find them more likable than you are.

          • Laika

            Many people have tried to have a reasonable argument and discussion with this poster. It is a waste of time, as there is no reason or discussion, just unvalidated, incorrect statements Engelman masks in the facade of some sort of rationality.

            Many have seen the transparency of his or her veneer. Engelman is a person who violates the fundamentals of good debate, honesty, reason, and good will.

          • Geo1metric

            Max Krakah has a point; more brains and more hands produce more stuff. It takes hands and brains to create and sustain wealth. Malthus was wrong to a large extent. What makes a huge difference is how the society is organized. Communism will not maximize wealth creation.

            Whites bought into the idea that fewer people mean better living and decided that two children was the ideal family not realizing that two children is not even replacement. Big part of why we are where we are today.

          • Max Krakah

            Thank You. Yes, I see feminism, careerism, and materialism as more subtle threats to a people’s survival. they seem benign, but they lead to a situation where other rot sets in. They weaken the organism and allow illnesses to take hold. Those illnesses would be corporatism and it’s treasonous desire to replace the original stock thorough immigration, multiculturalism -the spin that the elite use to make this seem acceptable, and hedonism- the abandonment of reproduction and family altogether.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Deporting illegals would cut into the profits those who make weapons, build prisons and create new means of tracking and “controlling” the rabble. But you are right, deporting them all by force would be an immediate pay raise for all Americans not just whites. Their wages would go up, taxes would go down, insurance rates would go down, crime would decline drastically, and the workplace would improve for both working folks and management.

          • Max Krakah

            a declining population has no economic benefit whatsoever. Physical capital such as cities require maintenance and upkeep. Cars and machinery, and power plants require the same.You think there might be more to go around but that will only be temporary. Parts of Japan may look like old ghost towns from the american west, or perhaps like much of present day Detroit, a more industrial version of deserted towns. Declining populations, from low birth rates, are top heavy with older people who will not be up to physical work. Populations that declined from the top age brackets down, such as Cambodia after the killing fields, do not fare to well either.

          • Max Krakah

            wow, four down votes, How can people vote down common sense? Declining populations are declining economies, there is no argument about this. This is why Europe has allowed immigration, this is why America has allowed immigration. Technology may be approaching the day, especially with 3D printer manufacturing, when John’s equation might someday be valid, but at present, it is not . It has been known for some time that immigration greatly stimulates an economy so this is not arguable. BUT!!!!! I AM NOT making an argument for immigration. The economy serves the nation, the people, the people do not serve the economy. A healthy nation has a positive population growth. To choose TEMPORARY economic stimulation and riches over the LONG TERM integrity and survival of a nation of people is like killing the goose that lays the golden egg.IT is selling a race’s future for a short span of comfort . This is what is happening to us now. It would be FOOLISH to not recognize that a higher birth rate is the REAL solution. IT is foolish to think that a lower birth rate will mean we will all have abundant riches. IT is socialism, redistribution of wealth through demographic decline, through ethnic elimination. John is a socialist, he has shown that many times before on here. He is now advocating demographic suicide for the purpose of spreading the wealth around.

    • Talltrees

      “they don’t literally force whites to go along with their ideas and deeds. We wish to entirely blame them if only to free our people of any self-blame.”

      “Mind control (also known as brainwashing, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform) refers to an indoctrination process which results in “an impairment of autonomy, an inability to think independently, and a disruption of beliefs and affiliations. In this context, brainwashing refers to the involuntary reeducation of basic beliefs and values”[1] The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual’s sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making.”
      Wikipedia

      Brain washing:

      “Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person’s basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.

      The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.”

      Impressionable youth are sent to schools and colleges to learn. Ideally, taught the truth; however, they believe untruths just as much as truths since they don’t know
      what is a lie or truth. Why would trusting young people question school curriculum? The intentional plan to change the United States was to target youth
      with propaganda because of their young vulnerabilities. In other words, adults at that time wouldn’t accept the change. Youth become indoctrinated adults. Those who have been indoctrinated during their youth run our government.

      Brainwashing works, not just on Whites, but all races and ethnicities, particularly, on young brains. Censoring important information, the public needs to know, and filling it with propaganda is a tactic that works on adults, as well.

      No, I don’t think it is generally White’s fault, but I do blame undoctrinated White adults, particularly legislators, teachers and professors of yesteryear for permitting it to occur. But, it has been insidious, just like Islam, creeping into schools, colleges, media, and entertainment. We don’t notice the ocean is rising, do we?

      Why is it those of us on AmRen and other White sites recognize it and other Whites don’t? My experience has been, relying on the news, they don’t know much, and the news tells them nothing because the group that controls it doesn’t want them to know. They, too, then have been brainwashed to think that nothing is wrong. Why would any White person suspect White genocide? That is huge. Why isn’t much said about Whites in South Africa? What sparked my interest was the 2010 census White decline. Looking it up on the internet, the only place to find out why, led to a shocking discovery.

      As I spread my findings to other Whites, reactions have been mixed, from disbelief, to “We Lost,” “Our legislators won’t do anything about it,” “I know, but what can we do about it?” Few actually knew the details.

      Companies target their markets using the best available means to advertise their products and services. They use TV and now the internet. TV is still the best medium for reaching the most people. We don’t have TV or the internet. We have no way of reaching the majority of Whites.

      “primarily it’s about them liberals getting the voting numbers they want”

      Except for that one particular group. They have a different agenda. There’s safety if all groups are minorities. No White majority. White Europeans are a threat.

      They do here what they have done in all other countries they lived and why they were thrown out and why Hitler was very angry. They also were instrumental in starting a worldwide embargo against Germany before World War II started.

      • Grantland

        True about the brainwashing. But you seem a little brainwashed yourself if you have swallowed the clever red herring that their motivation is safety. “There’s safety if all groups are minorities. ”

        Their objective is conquest. Divide and rule.

        • Sick of it

          Genocide seems more their ultimate goal. They’ve already conquered the world, through proxies if nothing else.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Spies, saboteurs and infiltrators when they are not using others to do their dirty work for them.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            “They look just like us!” According to some on this thread, therefore they’re JUST like us and have the same dreams, desires and goals and we should welcome them into our culture, just like they welcome us, right?
            They mean to genocide us and those who say otherwise are delusional.

          • Max Krakah

            When you have to lie, then you know you are defeated. I have stated that look just like us, but at the same time I also stated that they have an a separate identity and a separate agenda.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Some may look like us, but they are nothing like us in thought, belief or deed. Their efforts to exterminate us is all the proof that anyone would need to see that.

        • Talltrees

          Their obsession with anti-semiticism, the holocaust, controlling the media, colleges and schools, banks, entertainment, corporations, legislators, playing unfair in hiring practices, are the symptoms of that fear. I do agree they’d like to see Europeans gone, but decreasing Whites to a minority is a step to that objective.

          Not all have the same motivation, but they lead to the same result. Some, obsessed with power and money, unpatriotic to any country, will take advantage of anyone other than a Jew, to obtain their objectives. For example, if third-world immigrants boost their bottom-line, then they vote for it, not necessarily with the intention of wiping out Whites. Some are Communists/Marxists and just believe in that system of government. They are basically looking out for themselves, regardless of whether their actions hurt Whites or the country. They don’t care. It’s very complex, too much to go into here. Read Kevin MacDonald.

          “There’s safety if all groups are minorities.”

          There’s safety only in being the majority. A minority can easily become a majority as we will see with Hispanics in the near future. For us, safety is maintaining a White majority.

          Can you name another paranoid minority that fears being annihilated? Blacks have been brainwashed; therefore, don’t
          count.

          “Their objective is conquest. Divide and rule.”

          I think that has become a natural Jewish trait, one of the reasons they have been thrown out of so many countries. Their children are
          taught at young ages about the holocaust and that Whites are evil; therefore, the only way, as adults, they think they can survive is taking the power away from Europeans. While this might sound contradictory, in some, I think it is a personality trait, one that doesn’t need the holocaust to drive it. The problem, as I see it, is their obsessive need to rise to the top, to control, and to make money leads to unethical behavior to get there regardless of who it hurts.

          • Geo1metric

            Many Jewish children are also taught in their homes, schools, and Summer camps that they are a superior people to all other people, that they are smarter, and that God favors them and has given the whole world to them.

          • Laika

            It’s written in the Talmud,

            “Even the Best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

            –“Tob shebbe goyyim harog,” from the Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10

      • Sick of it

        Said group was real big in the international drug trade centuries ago (and obviously today). See David Sassoon.

    • So CAL Snowman

      Ben No you are 100% right, the White Race does have a tragic flaw or mental illness called Pathological Altruism. It has been covered on this site before. it’s basically “the White Man’s Burden” but inverted so that we must sacrifice ourselves on the altar of diversity instead of trying to rule over the colored masses to improve their lot.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        I think of it as “Suicidal Altruism.”

        • ben no

          Yes, our altruism is off the charts and out of hand, and if our men aren’t bad enough, our women being softer and weaker can be the worst offenders of ultra altruism. Now, the feminists would wish to kill me for saying that, but of course I’m right.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      “A small percentage of liberals need to be literally sANctioned. The rest need to go to jail and/or be executed for committing a genocide plan against white groups, unlawful and insidious by international law and carrying it out with apparent success.”

      Thing is, ben, you do that and there will be so-called “disparate impact” against a whole bunch of the folks you think we should not be blaming.

      • Svigor

        Haha, indeed.

    • Svigor

      It’s not “blaming Jews for everything” to point out that the guy spouting hostility toward us is a Jew.

      • ben no

        I said we should stop blaming them for everything. I never said we shouldn’t blame them for anything. There is a difference here and you’re all jumping to conclusions. We have to take some self-blame as well.

        • Svigor

          I agree with you, people who blame Jews for everything should take a step back. I just don’t encounter those people often. At all, actually.

          • Ograf

            You only encounter them everytime you watch TV, read a newspaper, or see a film from Hollywood. Get real, there has been an indoctrination process going on for decades.

          • Svigor

            I’m not sure I follow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone on TV or in Hollywood movies, or any articles in mainstream papers, blaming everything on Jews.

          • Dalek_1963

            “I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone on TV or in Hollywood movies, or any articles in mainstream papers, blaming everything on Jews.”

            Or indeed blaming them for *anything*. Ever.

          • Ograf

            Not that you encounter the people who blame Jews. It is the Jews that orchestrate the news and movies and mass media. See what I mean ?

          • Dalek_1963

            “Not that you encounter the people who blame Jews. It is that they orchestrate the news and movies and mass media.”

            Are you saying that people who blame the jews orchestrate the news, movies and mass media?

          • KevinPhillipsBong

            I think you misread Svigor’s post.

      • Laika

        We sure are generous to Jews, to the tune of $4 billion a year sent to Israel. What do we get in return? Cultural Marxism and promotion of outright hatred of Whites.

    • sshadow

      What you say is interesting, but what about the 1965 Immigration Act which forces approx. since passage, 85% of all legal immigration going forward, for all time, to be brown and black. This is an absolute and statutory guarantee that whites will be a small minority in this country. This is totally and easily predictable. There is no possibility that the results can be otherwise. There is a litany of Jewish names involved in engineering the formation and passage of this bill, which abolished national origins as a basis for immigration, and brought us what we have now in a short 50 years, Jacob Javits, Emmanuel Celler, Herbert Lehman, Harry Rosenfield, Philip Perlman, ADL, are notables. They influenced LBJ and Ted Kennedy to wring their hands over the inegalitarian nature of the then current law. Just as Jews brought I Christianity to our people, they have pushed Cultural Maxism as the new modern religion upon us. Their organization, messianic bent, money, and superior verbal skills permit this. I don’t know how we get this turned around.

  • lily-white

    “but the kind of people willing to embrace white nationalism despite the stigma against it really do tend to be hateful, if not violent.”
    —————————————————————————————————–

    you mean violent like a Chicago or Philadelphia flash mob????

    or maybe violent like the first day some glow in the dark Nikes hit the mall???

    • That could be a scene right out of Africa except for the meticulously well-kept pavement and the fact that they have electricity.

  • ViktorNN

    In-group bias is a natural human failing?

    Statements like this are why libertarians are idiots.

    In-group bias which is the basis of nationalism is neither a moral failing or a moral benefit. It simply IS. It’s part of what we are as humans. To try to socially engineer humans to behave otherwise is as dangerous as it is futile.

    Like Christianity and like communism, libertarianism is just another brand of utopianism that’s not based on reality, that’s not based on the biological truth of human nature, which sees humans as essentially flawed, and seeks to cure humanity through some fashionable dogma imposed by some self-appointed elite.

    To put it in a way that an open-minded libertarian might actually understand: there is no liberty in telling yourself a lie about your essential nature. In fact – that’s slavery. True liberty comes from the epression of one’s true nature. We’re white European people. We can never change it, nor should we want to. True liberty is when we consciously, proudly act as what we are. Moral sickness is to be ashamed of what you are.

  • Massif1

    How bad is Jewish nationalism? How bad is Muslim nationalism? HOW BAD IS BLACK NATIONALISM? Blacks voted at 96% for Obama the second time around just because he’s black. Obama gave blacks nothing for their support except a few extra handouts and they still voted for one of their own. Blacks never condone black on white crime, but will always cry racism when a black thug gets killed by any other race.

    • Spartacus

      “How bad is Jewish nationalism?”

      ———————————————————————————————————–

      Maybe we should ask some Palestinians about that:

    • Tarczan

      You forgot the Obama phones.

    • Garrett Brown

      I believe it was 95% the first election and 92 the second. If anyone wants to question black intelligence, only three percent realized he was a commie.

      • KhanBoi77

        ‘If anyone wants to question black intelligence, only three percent realized he was a commie.’

        Many Blacks view being a commie as an asset!

        They think in terms of ‘Racial Socialism’ (taking from the wealthy Whites and giving to the poor Blacks)

        • Dr. Möbias

          You are right. The NAACP is a communist-based organization as is the NBPP (black panthers). Kwanzaa is based on Communist principles as well.

        • Garrett Brown

          Yes, indubitably. But if they had any kind of common sense, they would realize that will run out very quickly.

  • Geo1metric

    The “sticks” to keep you in line; if that failed, the “axe” to chop off your head.

  • SirMe

    I hope people here relies that the eduction system puts White Nationalism and Islamic Extremism in the same category in social studies. So people get turned off by the moment from the very beginning.

  • There’s a psychological term for doubling down on what you know to be a flawed opinion or belief, though I can’t remember what it is right now. The pain of accepting that you were completely wrong about something that’s so important to you causes you to mentally shut your eyes, plug your ears, and screech, “LA LA LA LA” in the face of evidence disproving your most cherished ideals.

    This explains why so many genetic dead end multicultists extend sanctimonious forgiveness when Glorious Diversity affects them personally. Being robbed, beaten, raped, and humiliated by a savage is less excruciating than admitting to the world–and themselves–that maybe, just maybe, they were wrong.

    • Geo1metric

      Some sage once said/wrote that

      “Most men can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it obliges them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven thread by thread into the fabric of their lives.”

      That mind-set is what stifles human progress and brings untold misery to untold numbers of people.

      • Svigor

        It comes from investing one’s ego into one’s ideas; one identifies with the ideas, comes to regard them as a part of one’s self.

        It makes revision difficult, if not impossible. The solution is to invest one’s ego in mental flexibility, in values, rather than ideas; be proud to be the sort of person who learns from one’s mistakes, experiences, etc.

        • Geo1metric

          If you mean that the quote I used echoes your post above it, I agree. I have the bad habit of not reading all posts prior to posting my own thoughts. That said, I have, for a long time, appreciated the elegance of the quote I used. I think it was Jefferson’s writing. Not sure.

          • Svigor

            No, I mean I made a double post.

    • Hunter Morrow

      Cognitive dissonace. Great case studies are religions with their specific prophesies that do not pan out.

      People immediately rationalize it so the pain in the brain goes away.
      Cognitive Dissonance could be explained kind of as a True Believer Syndrome.

      • Svigor

        This is a result of investing one’s ego in one’s beliefs and ideas (and of having a fragile ego). The ideas become an extension of one’s self – the man identifies with the ideas. Damage to the ideas becomes damage to the self. Revision becomes difficult, if not impossible.

        The solution is to regard ideas in a utilitarian way. To invest one’s ego in being mentally flexible; in values, not ideas. This way, one can learn from one’s mistakes and experiences.

    • Brian

      There’s a psychological term for doubling down on what you know to be a flawed opinion or belief
      =====
      Semmelweis reflex?

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    The average white nationalist really is angry and hateful. Indeed, it is very hard to locate white nationalists who are even civil to people who disagree with them.

    Try questioning the Holocaust narrative or stating that blacks have lower IQs than Whites and see how vicious, hateful, angry and VIOLENT ethno-centric, non-White nationalists are.

    Human beings are naturally baised (sic) in favor of the groups they identify with;
    psychologists call this ‘in-group bias.’ Once you recognize this human failing

    It is not “human failing'” it is human nature, it is NORMAL and to go against what is ingrained in human DNA elicits warfare, violence and mass killings. The old Soviet Union is a perfect example of government efforts to deny human nature, a denial that caused massive starvation, human misery and bloody ethnic warfare that cost 62 and possibly up to 100 million lives.

    Why don’t you go tell blacks, Hispanics, Asians or Jews that identifying with their respective groups is a “human failing?” Nope, this “human failing” is reserved for Whites and ONLY Whites who wish to preserve their unique heritage, culture and history.

    Bryan Caplan claims to be against any sort of “nationalism;” he is not “anti-nationalism,” he is anti-White.

    Anti-nationalism is code word for anti-White.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Yah, they would react like the malignant machine NOMAD in this clip.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6o881n35GU

    • Max Krakah

      What is the point in challenging the holocaust narrative, really, what is the point. What is to be gained from that. It is a waste of time, a total diversion. The holocaust narrative is in fact one of the BEST arguments we have for an ethno state. IT was the reason jews were given an ethnostate, It is the threat that hangs over whites if they lose their ethonstates. Why on EARTH do you waste time with “challenging the holocaut narrative”. Tell me, list ONE advantage to be gained from changing that narrative!

      • Max Krakah

        I see, you down vote but can not name one advantage.

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          You’ll have to blame someone else for the downvotes, LOL.

          Wasn’t me. Read my post again carefully and maybe you’ll understand what I’m trying to say.

          Why should I be prevented from questioning anything I damn well please? In Europe and Canada people are tossed into jail for questioning anything the hypocritical cultural Marxists don’t like.

          This goes against the great Western Tradition of—rationalism, self-criticism, the disinterested search for truth. The West recognizes and defends the rights of the individual: we are free to think what we want, to read what we want, to practice our religion, to live lives of our choosing.

          If the lesson of the Holocaust is that having a homeland is necessary to protect one’s race, heritage and culture, then this applies to us Whites as well.

          And I will object to, question and fight anyone that tries to prevent Whites right to a homeland.

          • Max Krakah

            Oh, clarification, I was speaking to those who down voted.

  • Hunter Morrow

    The expected outcome of nationalism is to be irrelevant as Luxembourgianism?
    News to France, Italy, Greece, Hungary, Ukraine, etc.

    Is that why nationalists are murdered and their parties are banned?
    Because they are so irrelevant?

    Just like Caplan to put out demoralizing defeatism when nationalism grows in power by the second. If it was really so irrelevant,why would a jew antinationalist even spend time on it?

    Thanks but no thanks for the concern trolling,Mr. Caplan.

  • Sue

    Could you show me where you got this information, please?

    • bilderbuster

      The Nuremberg Kangaroo Court Show Trials where under torture Germans “confessed” to the de facto “crime” of “Waging Aggressive War”. A crime that did not exist until after the war started.

      • Max Krakah

        Does it really do the white nationalist movement any good to reignite inter white conflicts?

        • We should discuss it precisely so we do not do this to each other again.

          • Max Krakah

            yes, I agree with that, but the tone of many on here is not in that vein. The tone of many is to “set the record straight” , which to them means rebranding Hitler and NAZI Germany as the sympathetic underdog party. We should not join our cause with that impossible task. WE do not need to justify Hitler to justify white nationalism, all we need to do is point to Israel’s existence as an ethnostate and claim the same rite.

          • Mergatroyd

            It is you who has the combative, petulant angry stance. No wonder you are getting so many down votes. You deserve every single one. Pretty soon you’re going to catch up with Engelman.

          • Max Krakah

            you are the one who sound angry. All I have said is that it is pointless to dwell on this past history.

          • Max Krakah

            Tome for you to “exit, stage left”

          • SoulInvictus

            I generally don’t understand the value of any Hitler conversation.
            Jews don’t need the help pimping the holocaust, Hitler was a failure, a german nationalist not a european advocate, a piss poor military strategist, and would have been perfectly fine with the Japanese killing all of us.

        • Mergatroyd

          So says someone who has gone down this thread attacking other Whites.

          Good way to build support for pro-White issues, just like Engelman.

          • Max Krakah

            Wow, you stormfronters are amazing, you live 24 hours a day refighting WWII . Do you think you are going to somehow , miraculously, find a way to mentally change history so your heroes, the NAZIs will have actually won?

          • Max Krakah

            Heavens to Mergatroyd!

      • Sue

        Vicious victors justice, yes? Hanging German women was not above our morals either. As they condemned Hess for “crimes against peace”. How does one get condemned to solitary confinement and ultimately murdered trying to make peace with Britain?

        • bilderbuster

          Another phony de facto “crime”.

        • Dr. Möbias

          The German women who were hanged were the lucky ones.

          • Sue

            Sadly true, sir

        • Sick of it

          And shooting at German women who tried to bring food to their imprisoned menfolk.

    • Sue

      Now why would someone vote down a question as to where information was retrieved from?

  • Dave4088

    Racially conscious whites need white nationalism since all of the other isms (liberalism, libertarianism, conservatism) subscribe to the belief in the equality and interchangeability of the races which will lead to our demise as a unique race. Liberalism, libertarianism and conservatism all support global race replacement of Europeans in varying degrees.

    Tribe members like Bryan Caplan have a visceral reaction to white nationalism and single it out for opprobrium since most WN organizations address the JQ from a pro-white perspective and since WN provides white people with an intellectual framework and mindset for long term survival….which the Bryan Caplan’s of this world vehemently oppose.

  • Spartacus

    How bad is jewish nationalism ?

    • Katherine McChesney

      How bad is “Palestianian” nationalism? Deadly attacks on native Israelites persist. Israel is forced to defend itself against the fake Palestinians.

      • Garrett Brown

        Is there such a thing as a “native” Israelite? My studies and subsequent major in history (ancient) has printed me to saying no.

      • Laika

        You show a profound lack of knowledge of the situation. Most likely from following misinformation put out by the msm.

        • Geo1metric

          I would say that most Americans have no idea how “controlled” our media are.

          Having traveled and worked extensively overseas, I have a pretty good idea.

          My suggestion to folks is to read foreign media outlets, to the extent they are available to us, on a regular basis.

          I consider “msm” to be primarily propaganda.

          • Dr. Möbias

            The British papers frequently publish black-on-White American crime that our own papers refuse to print. The English-language Russian and even Arab papers are very good as well for printing important news that American papers won’t touch.

        • Max Krakah

          Tell her where she is wrong so that you can have a discussion then.

          • Hunter Morrow

            Talking about “fake” Palestinians who lived off the land for millenia
            but thinking European squatter Ashkenazis were ” promised” parts
            of land they barely if ever lived on, on the basis of an archaeological and historical fairy tale from the Torah. Israel’s policies of only letting jews in under “right to return” rules is as preposterous as it is racist and hypocritical.

  • ben no

    1. Top-dog Jews are frightfully intelligent, though morally degenerate. It is that degeneracy that sweeps the west like a plague.

    2. Whites have a degree of altruism that is harmful and exploitable, and it used as a great weapon against us, whether we realise it or not.

    3. Narcissistic liberals act upon their audacity to inflict vindictive oppression on whites, particularly the working-class.

    4. Narcissistic liberals act upon their malice to emotionally abuse (invalidating and gas-lighting) whites into committing racial and cultural suicide.

    5. Non-white immigrants are used as pawns on a Jewish chest board to demographically conquer white lands, and also used as decoy by promoting multiculturalism to distract away from the main goal.

    Jewish influence and their leading role is obviously to be despised, but the biggest evil is within the traitorous white liberals who act out of malice and spite toward their own. Like I said in my other post, there is a sort of mental illness in our race that is highly self-destructive in nature. It may be the same mental illness that caused numbers of our ancestors to want to harm others in a cruel manner. It’s those individuals of our race who have narcissistic tendencies to where this illness acts upon its audacity, I think, as we are generally the most compassionate people on earth. White liberal malignant narcissism is a strong contender with Jewish supremacism. The former is actually having a genocidal effect on whites, the latter merely promotes it.

    • Hunter Morrow

      Biggest evil is with the jews. Stop it.
      People are “leftwing” and”liberal” from jewish institutional control.
      The failure of the phony right wing in this countryis more damning than
      the behavior of boring people just going with what is pushed to them.

      The1980s was not Reaganite bliss. Department of education, deficit spending, simpson-mazzoli, and the jewish neocohenservaive movement was lights out for Republicans.

    • Sick of it

      Where are all of these insanely intelligent Jews? Seriously, I’ve never met one.

    • Guest

      The traitorous white liberals are those of us who sold their soul to the Devil, they are merely auxiliaries in the way to exterminate us. These narcissists naturally gravitate towards sociopaths, if not often being them at the same time. That is what I think we have on our hands, white elites and those who they are aiding are worse than sociopaths, they are evil in human form.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      These white liberals are not just narcissists, they are sociopaths at best, evil in human form at worst. However, they are mere auxiliaries in the war to exterminate us as a people and all evidence that we ever existed. They will have to be dealt with harshly if and when whites ever regain control of homelands. They are black hearted opportunists who must not be allowed to remain at large if we win, because the brutal wars that will precede our victory would be in vain and millions would have died for nothing.

  • Sloppo

    “Indeed, it is very hard to locate white nationalists who are even civil to people who disagree with them. (Feel free to prove me wrong in the comments . . . or right, as the case may be).”

    I wonder if he has been to Amren. I know this isn’t a scientific analysis, but from my observations, disagreement here tends to be much more civil (and rational) than the normal expressions of disagreement in the Communist News Network comments sections.

    • Hunter Morrow

      That is because this place is ludicrously censored, especially about jews.

  • Neuday

    Nationalisms get in the way of economic globalist government. In the same way monarchies and early nations fought over the loyalty of the people with the church, claiming that religion causes violence, now the globalists accuse nationalists.

    What does a man consider worth dying for? His family, his tribe, hist way of life, his God. The globalists want us to believe there is nothing worth dying for, nothing worth believing, nothing worth living for. Nothing but money, sexual gratification and goodies. To hell with them, where’s my AK? Oh, is that sentiment too “hateful”?

  • Neuday

    Nationalisms get in the way of economic globalist government. In the same way monarchies and early nations fought over the loyalty of the people with the church, claiming that religion causes violence, now the globalists accuse nationalists.

    What does a man consider worth dying for? His family, his tribe, hist way of life, his God. The globalists want us to believe there is nothing worth dying for, nothing worth believing, nothing worth living for. Nothing but money, sexual gratification and goodies. To hell with them, where’s my AK? Oh, is that sentiment too “hateful”?

  • Sue

    Thank you much appreciated. Now I understand completely where it came from.

  • Sick of it

    You know you can trust a guy named Bryan Caplan to give you the unadulterated truth. /sarcasm

  • Brian

    psychologists call this “in-group bias.” Once you recognize this human
    failing, your moral priority should be bending over backwards to treat
    out-groups justly.
    ===
    Human failing? It’s a survival technique. I know my people on the west side of the river, and I don’t know that tribe on the east side. And I’m not a mindreader. Erring on the side of caution is Darwinian success, same as avoiding snakes.

    if you divide white nationalists’ most visible crimes by their tiny population, their per-capita violent crime rate looks very high indeed.
    ====
    Who does he count as a white nationalist? I’m guessing he’d be happy to include Klansmen, but somehow, I have not been phoned for a survey.

    Finally, white nationalists score as badly as you would expect in terms of moral character.
    ===
    There’s a test? Who wrote the questions? Who is tabulating the scores?

    • Sick of it

      Caplan’s definition of morality is good = evil while evil =good.

      • Laika

        Caplan’s definition of morality is good = every race except White.

        Evil = White Race.

  • Brian

    1. Historical track record. Even if you count only Nazism and
    European colonialism, white nationalism has a massive body count. But
    several non-European nationalisms—especially Chinese and Japanese—are in the same bloody ballpark.
    ====
    Whites and Asians have the bloodiest track record because we’re the ones smart enough to invent and build weapons beyond the level of the spear. Blacks and the various Abos lack the means, not the motive.

    • ben no

      Technically, the most aggressive and crime-prone races would have the biggest motive. But since they lack the capacity and means to carry out such plans, they don’t or haven’t done it to the same degree. This is precisely why Europeans and East Asians have a track record for nationalism and colonialism. There is a clear correlation between the intelligent races being more successful at it. That is the simple truth in which they are trying to neglect. As individuals, you can be as harmful as a fly or as a tiger. Individual only have represented crime of any kind, including organized crime, both past and present. The general nature of a racial group of people will reflect in the averages of their population, in their ability to show compassion, and in their ability to be law abiding. This is the only correct estimation of “racial evilness”, if you like. The greater the crime, the more insidious the crime, and the more degenerate the laws of a nation, the less humane those people will be. Islamic Countries are the biggest offenders on earth, closely followed by some African countries. Those people have the biggest evil tendencies in them and are the most likely to commit it.

      • Brian

        We saw what Africans are capable of in Rwanda not too long ago, with the Hutus and Tutsis killing at least 500,000, much with machetes. The death toll was 10-20% of the entire country…compared to 2% of the US/CS in the Civil War (620k out of 31 million).

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Yes, all correct, and we saw what Hispanics are capable of in Mexico and here in the U.S. However, atrocities they commit pale in comparison to what those who cannot be named are capable of. Look no farther than the Ukrainian Holdomor of 1932 and 1933, and you have a good idea what the perpetrators of that crime against humanity have in mind for US.

          • Brian

            I hate to admit that I don’t know as much about the Holodomor as I should. I never heard about it (mentioned by that name I mean) in school, have never seen a film about it…compared to the Holocaust it gets almost no attention…for that matter, other things like the Rape of Nanking or Armenian genocide don’t either. What oxygen the Holocaust doesn’t consume, slavery takes, it seems.

            I know some things at the Wikipedia-type level, but can you or someone else recommend a good book or two on the subject, that would fill in the gaps for me?

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Solzhenitsyn’s 200 years together and the Gulag Archipelago are my recommendations towards that end. You can also find surprisingly enough, documentaries about the Holodomor on You Tube of all places. Solzhenitsyn paints a damning and accurate picture of the perpetrators of the greatest mass murders and genocides of all time.

          • Brian

            Thanks. I have a pile of audiobooks to work through (doing Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire now) and I have The Gulag Archipelago, so I guess I’ll move that up the queue and start there.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            I have Gibbon’s book, a must read for anyone who studies history.

          • Mergatroyd

            Start here: “200 Years Together.” Not all of it has been translated but what has is damning.

            www DOT theoccidentalobserver DOT net/2010/12/in-the-1930s-chapter-19-of-alexandr-solzhenitsyns-200-years-together/

    • Max Krakah

      Whites have not yet equaled the victims of Genghis Khan

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        True, Genghis Khan alone killed forty million people from China all the way to Russia. His descendants killed untold millions more in present day Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Bulgaria, Hungary, China and Russia. There are still areas that are still totally depopulated as a result of the Mongol genocidal hordes.

        • Max Krakah

          and yet we have an engleman that talks about how asians get along so well with europeans

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            He should have talked to my maternal relatives who killed them during WW-II, after they saw what they did to American and British civilians. They fought the Japanese during WW-II, and some of them hated the Japanese until they died.

          • Max Krakah

            Asian history is littered with mass slaughter. The whole province of Sechuan was depopulated at one time. Asians may have a lower testosterone level but that does not mean they have the empathy that Europeans have. In fact, I would argue, based on Asian societies and history, they show a much lower level of empathy than whites. Weak people often become the most vicious when they do acquire power. One can not draw valid conclusions about asian populations by observing how they behave when they are minorities. A submissive people can also be a people with less empathy, and when they find themselves in a dominant position, this will then be revealed. It is telling that there are no significant minorities in Asian societies. The buddhist Japanese exterminated their catholic population at one point in history, and that population numbered in the thousands.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            That has been my observation as well. When they weren’t killing whites, they were killing one another with a savagery that would sicken US.

          • Max Krakah

            The mad struggle to become rich in China is totally without scruples. Massive government corruption is matched only by massive corruption amongst the whole population. It is not just the products that are shipped here that are deadly, pet foods tainted with melamine that kill pets, wall board that gives off deadly gasses and must be ripped out later on, toys painted with lead paints, shrimp grown in sewerage etc. People all over China are trying to make a fast buck in the most ruthless ways. A child in Beijing starved to death as it’s parents always sold it pol pies from one vendor. The vendor used a cardboard, soaked in lard, as a substitute for the meat. Apparently the whole country is filled with new buildings that are faulty, new products that are deadly. No one cares, they are all trying to become rich. Traditionally, in the US Chinese restaurants have been notorious for the failure to meet health codes and their propensity for bribing the inspectors.

        • Ghengis Khan’s armies killed what was probably a quarter of the population of the world. They slaughtered 90% of the population of what is now Iran, about what a nuclear war would do.

  • Brian

    The German ‘nazi’ does not share that etymological link with ‘nazarene’. The Hebrew word ‘netzer’ means ‘branch/root’, and Christians were in Hebrew called ‘notzrim’.

    The identification of Jesus with Nazareth because of the ‘nazarene’ connection is likely a backformation. There is little to no evidence that the town of Nazareth even existed until after the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Before then, the site was a graveyard for the nearby town of Joppa.

    The nazirite was someone like Samson who took a religious vow: no wine or haircuts. But ‘nazorean’ was another religious sect, which probably is connected to ‘nazarene’, and later became confused with the town of Nazareth. That ‘nazirite’ appears cognate with ‘nazi’ is mere coincidence.

    • Max Krakah

      Making a connection between NAZI and nazarene is something that the “illuminati” paranoids get all excited about. It is sheer and utter nonsense as is everything they spout.

  • Cecil Henry

    So GEnocide is okay then, so long as whites are ‘hateful’

    Contemptible drivel.

  • jeffaral

    The anti-White hatred espoused by Mr Kaplan is only too obvious. What about an article about the in-group bias of e.g the Jews?

    • Geo1metric

      And exactly where would such an article be published?

      And that’s our major problem; “they” have the most and biggest bull-horns!!

      We can reach an audience of 10,000 (maybe), while “they”, at the same time, reach an audience of one hundred million.

      • Laika

        “And exactly where would such an article be published?”
        On the Internet…for now.

        • Geo1metric

          Yes, but that is still not a really large audience compared to being published in one of the large circulation newspapers and picked up by the networks.

          For example, consider the way black-on-White crime is suppressed even though it is on numerous sites on the internet.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Newspapers are going out of business across America, the alphabet channels rating are low, especially CNN. I think more people than ever are turning away from mainstream news because it is so anti-White and demeaning. Link to this site and other pro-White sites whenever and wherever you can. People are angry and fed up and it’s about time, that’s why so many articles do not allow comments.

  • jeffaral

    Youve been watching too many Hollywood movies.

    • White Light

      Has there ever been a Hollywood movie about Hitler slaughtering non-Jewish Ukrainians? I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.

  • bilderbuster

    Name a Jewish liberal in congress who hates Israel.

  • bilderbuster

    The only people who seem bothered by being called racists appear to be Whites.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    This whole column from start to finish is a splendid example of projection against whites on the part of hostile racial aliens who are the real and shadow rulers of every white nation. After all, look no farther than whom you’re not allowed to criticize or denounce to see who they are. They accuse and point fingers at us for the very same activities they are doing. They also slander us at every opportunity. With their near total control of the mainstream media, whites cannot fight back against this demonization and ridicule. Not only is this column drivel, it is contemptibly anti-white.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    This is nothing but yet another example of our enemies use of projection against us, namely pointing fingers at us and accusing US of the very thing they are doing. This relentless demonization and slander in the mainstream media cannot be challenged by whites because non-white racial aliens are in control of them. Even worse, the author clearly has painted all whites as a threat to be killed off.

    • ben no

      “This relentless demonization and slander in the mainstream media…”

      Yes, that’s what I was referring to when I mentioned emotional abuse. Supremacist Jews and Narcissistic liberals have many forms of abuse – both subtle and aggressive.

      They demean us and don’t respect us whatsoever. They ignores us when it suits them and overwhelms us with what suits them. They manipulates us, our feelings and our situations for their pleasure and agenda. They ignore our personal boundaries, both physical and emotional. They treats us as objects, only existing for their gratification. They denies our basic existence, our very humanity. They subjects us to their narcissistic range, “Racist! Nazi! Supremacist! Bigot!” when we confront them about their twisted logic and hypocrisy.

      The forces guilt onto us, and shame. They tells us in every moment – verbally and otherwise – that we’re unworthy and never good enough to be a continuing existence. They “gaslight” us, making us doubt our own racial reality and our own sanity, and our right to exist as a distinct people with a distinct culture. They neglects our needs, sending always the message that we don’t matter, that we’re worthless. (This leads to self-loathing and struggles with self-care in Whites.) They misuses our vulnerabilities. Liberals know them as our leaders. Anything we say will be used against us. They fights dirty.

      Since I have an interest in psychology, I tend to explore the mentality behind this evilness, and why it is they wish to denature us Whites and Europeans. It is full-blow emotional abuse on our people, and they are doing this on a widespread level. They are emotionally abusing to get us to commit racial and cultural suicide. That is literally it.

      • Laika

        “Now THIS is a crime against humanity.”

        It’s only a crime when non-whites are involved, as in Dafur or Nepal. If whites face world wide genocide, well, that’s great.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        That is why Ukrainians hunted them down and shot, bludgeoned, tortured and stabbed Jews to death right in front of the Nazi invaders no less during WW-II. That is why I personally hate them, all of them.

        • Max Krakah

          I believe you about Ukrainians. I have met people in the US from Ukraine, and when they take you into their confidence, they will tell you how evil Jews are. It all comes from their history with the Jews.

          • Mergatroyd

            Other Eastern Europeans as well, not just Ukrainians but Georgians and Armenians.

  • White Light

    I posted this in reply, on his site:

    On the subject of the bad White nationalists, the ones who react with violence and such, if you look at the number of people they have killed it is negligible compared to the victims of radical Islam or communism. You might respond that you are not a communist, but I am not a Nazi! Throughout world history the West has been ruled by people that would be considered “White nationalists,” this includes many of the advocates of liberty you admire. People like Abraham Lincoln. There is an example of a White nationalist who clearly cared about other groups! Maybe not the “top priority” though. Would you say that’s your “top priority?”

    You confuse “nationalism” with “supremacism.” Nationalisms usually do always strive to be “shouting and shoving to maximize their side’s share of wealth, power, and especially status?” Nor do they seek to dominate other people’s. On number 3, even if you look at the worst of White nationalism, the Stormfront people and such, they condemn foreign interventionism. And there are many Zionist groups that advocate a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, to benefit the Palestinians as well as the Jews.

    Really, you use a straw-man definition of “nationalism” to advocate your case for total individualism. And although you admit that an instinct for “nationalism” is somewhat innate, your solution is to simply ignore it and wish it away. Do you consider what life is going to be like when your people, White Americans, are the minority? Do you think they will listen to you, or do you think they will put in place the policies that public opinion polls have indicted that most already support, socialism and racial discrimination against your race?

    • Laika

      No offence but I doubt he understood a word you wrote.

  • LHathaway

    “Intellectually, their nationalism is no worse than hundreds of other nationalisms; but the kind of people willing to embrace white nationalism despite the stigma against it really do tend to be hateful, if not violent”.

    I happen to think most ‘white nationalists’, who have a platform, really owe their true allegiance to something closer to ‘hate-watch’. . . however, I think this reporter has it wrong (and there may be 10’s of millions if not a hundred million whites at least sympathetic to ‘white nationalism’). The reporter has it wrong because most whites who are very sympathetic to white nationalism are angry and ‘hateful’ because they’ve been victims of racism. In this crazy time and country, if you’re white, and you resent racism against you or act in even a verbal way to prevent it, you are declared the racist. White have been nearly ethnically cleansed from most major cities in the United States. Whites moved away, cause they are so hateful? Or they moved away to prevent continuing to be victims?

    The 10’s of millions of ‘sympathetic’ whites?, they just ‘know’ or ‘sense’ or can ‘conclude’ that racism is taking place and is even the norm, against their less high status white American partners. Perhaps it’s taking place against whites who aren’t so ‘geographically blessed’ as they might be. The author may be right about nationalism (although I doubt he dismisses the next July 4th celebration). The author may be right about nationalism and white nationalism but we do live in an crazy Orwellian ’emperor has no cloths’ world when the victims of racism are then labeled the racists. It will only end when whites are truly becoming an endangered, declining species in North America and that’s what will act to make doofuses like this author white nationlists. There will be a vote for racial separation/white reservation (perhaps it will take longer than even this doofus author secretly hopes) but there will be a vote for ‘white nationalism’.

    He calls us angry and hateful. I suspect we really are. There will be a reckoning, in the end. ‘Justice’ demands it. What to do with fellow whites on ‘the wrong side of history’? Say, brand them, dropped them off in the middle of the night on the other side of the border? No doubt the author of this piece is not even close to being considered or ‘judged’ for such a fate. Never-the-less, there’s a fair chance there will come a reckoning. So, should average whites now feel scared of being too ‘liberal’ instead of the way they feel now, frightened of being seen to ‘conservative’? Who cares. But it does make me feel better knowing it’s coming.

    • Max Krakah

      we see unrestrained hatred and violence towards whites every day. Every day it grows greater and greater too. I have no idea what the author is talking about when he talks about the violence committed by white nationalists. All I hear about is knock out games, victimizing whites, old white people being killed by blacks, whites in cars being brutalized by blacks. Where are the crimes by “white nationalists”?

      • LHathaway

        I’m not sure I see white victimization limited to violence. lol, what was it a black poet once claimed, it’s the violence in the system that controls all blacks? Not all whites need to be victimized in order to be held under control. Perhaps I’m wrong but I think the real problem is one of the mind and not so much of violence. ‘Affirmative action’ is used by schools, government and business to discriminate against whites. Then whites are taught they or ‘their’ society are evil and that everything people of color do is wonderful. Malcom X might even be surprised (at the way an always liberal society) has turned out. Maybe it will take ‘white nationalism’ to correct this?

        • DiversityIsDeath

          You are absolutely right. But in this particular situation this Caplan creep is making wildly false claims that fed up Whites like you and I are out there committing violent crime against minorities at a “very high rate”. That is a blatant lie and everyone (including Caplan) knows it. We who know this stuff inside out could recite from rote about who does what to whom, at what rate, and use percentages, proportions, ratios etc.

    • Geo1metric

      How will North American Whites know when we have become the minority? Given the untrustworthiness of our government, who knows, for example, how many illegal aliens are in North America right now? Who knows how many blacks are in the US right now? Who knows how many Whites are in the US right now?

      It has happened to me before, but during the recent holiday season, I had reason to be at Dulles airport in northern Virginia a couple of times. I was “counting heads” since I am a racially aware individual. Fully sixty percent of the people I saw were not White.

      In a past life I worked in the DC area and was even then aware of the demographic make-up of the area, but I can say with certainty that Whites are a severely diminished sector of the population in that area since my working days there. I suspect that is the case in most, if not all, of our major metro areas.

      It may very well reach the point, sooner rather than later, when the only places Whties will be a majority will be in only certain rural areas, and those areas could be few and far between.

      How can we truly know how many of us are left right now?

      • Laika

        I have long suspected the government is keeping the real non-white demographic numbers hidden so as not to upset the natives, Native Born Whites, that is. I too have seen this in my travels through major metropolitan areas in the East, West, South and North, even the Far North. It’s the same as adding Arabs under the “White” category for demographic purposes. From what I can tell, it looks like we Whites are far under a majority in the United States.

        • Geo1metric

          Especially when you consider the number of men of breeding age who have been killed off during the big wars, Civil, wwl and wwll. Not to diminish those killed during all the other “wars”.

  • Geo1metric

    A perfect example of “controlled opposition” being used against us!!

    • Laika

      The protest was led by Hal Turner, a known FBI informant.

      Hal Turner, rising in fame as the most blatant hate talk radio host, self-proclaimed neo-nazi, antisemite, racist who hinted at the need to eradicate Jews — turns out to have been fronting a typical FBI COINTELPRO sting operation,” writes Richard Evans. Hackers managed to gain access to his forum server and revealed correspondence with an FBI agent who was apparently Turner’s handler.As documented by Brian Glick and others, under COINTELPRO, the FBI subsidized, armed, directed and protected the Klu Klux Klan and other racist groups, including the “Secret Army Organization” of California.

      • Geo1metric

        Let’s not forget that the same thing is going on, in a huge way, on the internet. Many “right-wing” and “racist” sites are one hundred percent government owned.

  • Laika

    Pro-White groups have a long history of being infiltrated and subverted by operatives working for anti-White organizations, including the FBI. Many so-called Nazi leaders and those waving around Nazi flags have been outted as infiltrators funded by anti-White organizations to raise funds and portray Whites as violent, evil, murderous, etc. The media, of course, prominently display any Nazi or skinhead regalia as “clear examples” of evil Whites, representative of the entire White race.

    It is THEY who are the evil ones; nothing from them will ever portray Whites as anything BUT evil.

  • Dirk Agia

    Nothing makes me laugh more than when people whine over what White Christians did hundreds of years ago when you compare and or contrast the current ongoing plight of the poor, displaced Palestinian people who are being steamrolled over by the Israelis who are staunch Zionists which is their own form of “nationalism”.

    But since the Jews run the news they sugar coat over that…

  • Max Krakah

    ah, you gotta love “The Thin Man” series too!

  • Laika

    I think what you propose is inevitable.

    If the lessons of the Holocaust are that genocide is evil and the best defense against genocide is to have one’s own state, then this lesson applies to Whites too. We will cease to exist as a people if we do not have control over our own borders and destinies. It is time for a new nationalism. We simply refuse to tie our destiny to what happened in the Second World War. We’re over it. We’ve moved on. Jews are no longer being subjected to active, ongoing genocide, but we are.

  • Laika

    The Holomodor in the Ukraine, the bombing of Dresden, the liquidation of kulaks in Russia. Goes both ways, doesn’t it?

  • KhanBoi77

    ‘Given white nationalism’s ongoing half century of pariah status, it seems unlikely to do much damage in the foreseeable future. For the time being, white nationalism looks about as dangerous as Luxembourgian nationalism.’

    Then why does the Left go to such Herculean measures to oppress White Nationalists?

    The SPLC, ADL, and lately Salon.com are all on duty 24/7 to stop the next uprising!

    Heck some Black guy now owes David Yeagley $50,000 for disrupting an Amren Conference.

  • Imported old-world diseases did most of the killing of Amerinds, in an era before germ theory was understood. The deliberate massacres of them were perpetrated in part because of greed but largely to make them stop fighting against whites who preferred European things like farms, cattle-ranches, mines and railroads. There is a terrible irony in the fact that it was an American Indian crop – the potato – which caused the population boom in Europe that ended up displacing the original cultivators.

  • Evette Coutier

    In the final analysis bozos like Caplan feel it’s their right to tell others what their values should be, how you can and should feel, and what is right and wrong. First, I was not aware that he was elected God. It’s not his place to dictate to us what our ethics and feelings should be. Second, you will note that all his ethics he cast upon us are ones that benefit him and his people at our expense. His altruism is a fraud. Last, I doubt he has ever had an honest conversation about race with a race realist. He has no idea what he is talking about. What he states is based on stereotypes and cliches. He is a hypocrite for attacking others for doing what he accuses them of.

  • Max Krakah

    I agree with this guy 100%!!!

  • Dr. Möbias

    Not true. Modern historians claim that the Gleiwitz incident was staged by Germans dressed as Polish terrorists. But as is the case with the Reichstag Fire conspiracy theory, they offer no evidence, (beyond a forced “confession” obtained after the war) to support this theory – a theory that ignores the outrageous and repeated pattern of provocations directed at Hitler’s Germany ever since 1933, the numerous border incidents, and also Hitler’s sincere attempts to negotiate a fair resolution to the Corridor and Danzig controversies.

    See my post below.

    • Max Krakah

      EVEN SO, what did Germany GAIN from the WAR? It lost millions of people, cities destroyed, it lost a third of it’s territory. All you can do is list a handful of doubtful accounts of inter ethnic conflict,conflict that is the NORM throughout Europe where there are several ethnicities sharing a territory.

      • Mergatroyd

        I see you, like Engelman have drunk deeply from the well of ignorance.

        • Max Krakah

          I see you have totally integrated your identity with that of NAZI Germany . You are foolishly living a life looking at the world through this lens and resenting everything. Nothing you do is productive, everything is resentment. You are wasting your time and not serving the interests of white people and their present circumstances, not one bit.

    • Geo1metric

      Wasn’t 1933 the year that International zionism declared war on Germany?

  • John R

    White nationalism harmful? More blacks are killed in one year by the Bloods and Crips, than by the KKK in all of it’s history. Even Hitler-not a true “White Nationalist” btw (nearly all his victims were other White people)-killed fewer people than our “gallant ally” Joseph Stalin.

    • IstvanIN

      And Joseph Stalin was the front man for the group that actually ran the USSR.

      • JohnEngelman

        Who were they?

      • John R

        Joseph Stalin merely a “front man”? Sadly, you are very ignorant of the brutality of the “Man of Steel” aka Stalin. He really ruled the USSR with an iron hand. He was FAR MORE in control of the Soviet Union than Adolf Hitler was of Nazi Germany! And if you are implying that the Jews really ran Stalin’s Russia, you are mistaken. Yes, many Jews worked with the Communists. But, in the end, Stalin turned against them as well, and, using his words, he “cleared out the synagogue.”

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Stalin was a monster, but he had other monsters such as Beria, Trotsky, Yagoda, Kaganovich and Molotov, most of whom where Jews. Stalin’s wife was a Jew. To me as a Ukrainian American, Stalin, Kaganovich and Beria are synonyms for Satan himself. Shortly before he died however, he was about to start killing them off when Beria had him killed. Everyone who knew him and their living descendants are sure of it. They personally oversaw the execution of millions of Slavs, and Beria kidnapped, raped and murdered Russian women, some of whose remains were unearthed at the remains of his home. Jews did run the Soviet Union, they created it, and they killed as many as 100 million whites while doing it. President Vladimir Putin publically stated the USSR was by, of and for Jews, and he would be the one to know because he was a KGB and probably still is a KGB spook.

          • John R

            Thank you. Interesting history. I, like most Americans, are sadly ignorant of most of the details of Russian/Soviet history. I only was trying to point out, to IstvanIN, that Stalin, whatever else, was not merely a “front man.”

          • Ella

            Over the years of reading history books and articles, I’ve seen various stats on the estimated numbers of Stalin’s mass murders. These so-called PC Historians keep changing the numbers. Over the last 15 years, numbers dropped from 28-32 million to 10-17 million and now down to 7 million, which includes the Ukraine. I think Stalin murdered at least 22-32 million from earlier studies. It’s obvious who’s in charge today.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Yes, Stalin very conservatively killed at least 20 million Russians alone, but they murdered in one year as many as 12 million Ukrainians during the man made famine or Holodomor. This does not cove the tens of millions slain between 1917 and the outbreak of WW-II, entire strata of Ukrainian and Russian society were virtually wiped out by Lenin after they seized power. The kulaks, and Cossacks were decimated by the mid 1920’s. You are right, those who cannot be named are changing the numbers, and the reason for that is they know the Ukrainians and Russians will never forgive or forget this. They do not want the rest of us to know what they did to them for any number of reasons, because one of these genocidal infiltrators favorite methods of slaughtering Goyim is man made famine and hunger.

      • Hunter Morrow

        Jews. The JewSSR.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Zionists: A scourge that won’t go away.

  • Stogumber

    Caplan’s idea is wrong from a libertarian point of view.
    Communitarism in all forms (including the particular form of nationalism) means that particular people have special access to resources (i.e. the mutual support between the community members).
    Private property also means that particular people have special access to resources.
    Caplan’s argument is in fact an argument against private property.

  • nicholasi

    Caplan vs Rosensaft on how bad Whitey is? Illuminating, not. It’s pretty bad, full of clowns, but it’s nowhere near as bad as this K-run site and outfit.

    • Geo1metric

      Show your ignorance more blatantly for us!

      • nicholasi

        Ignorance of what? Am I in error? Are Mssrs Caplan and Rosensaft not of the tribe of global parasites?

        • Geo1metric

          Sorry, I mis-read your comment.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    That did indeed occur, with a vengeance. Not all Ukrainians were pro-German, many hunted down and killed them and the Soviets with equal mercilessness. Indeed, they were killing Soviets until 1956 when their armed rebellion against Judeo-Soviet rule was finally crushed.

    • The last division-scale battles between Ukrainian nationalists and the Soviet Army were in 1956, but there was an active Ukrainian resistance into the early 1970s.

      That must have been something to see.

      • Max Krakah

        I’d like to read more about the Ukrainian battles against the Soviets that lasted into the 50s. Any suggestions?

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    All someone does when they call me racist and hateful is to prove that I am right.

    • These terms are really just shorthand for “You are morally inferior to me.” The epithet “racist” is meant as a conversation stopper. I am a racist. I am also a vegetable gardener, a machinist, a woodworker and home-brewer of exquisitely hard cider. I am right-handed and have grey eyes that for reasons unknown are returning to blue. Calling me one of these things or another does not bother me in the least.

      Neither should the term “racist” bother anyone else.

  • The Czechs had – and still possess – a remarkably good armaments industry. Their Model 1938 light tank provided the basis for the German “Hetzer” tank destroyer, which was kept in production postwar, even for export to Switzerland and Mexico. Their ZB-26 light machinegun was the basis for development of the British BREN gun, still in use, and the last firearm I shot, on July 4, 2000.

    • Max Krakah

      Skoda , an arms and auto manufacturer in Czechoslovakia, was one of the largest industrial enterprises in Europe. Hitlers invasion of Czechoslovakia saved the NAZI party. Hitlers economy was running into real financial problems. They simply were running out of money, he had to halt many of his grandiose plans such as the gigantic stadium he was building. His make work projects were not creating revenue and his currency was becoming very weak. All German workers had experienced a 25% reduction of income in the previous year or so. His fascist economy was hitting a wall. When he invaded the Czech republic, he set an artificial exchange rate that brought all of the consumer good from the Czech area into Germany. IF the allies had NOT let him have the Sudetenland, that would have been the end of the NAZI party right then and there. There were elements of the military and the Aristocracy that were poised to take him out. Once he had that “victory” they could not risk it. The NAZI party is NOT a failure of the German people, it is a failure of the British and the French. Many in Germany never thought Hitler would succeed, they did not think he could consolidate and hold onto power. IT was only by the sheer cowardice of the Allies that he succeeded.

  • Raydonn

    I must be a ‘liberal’…………..

  • QuinnTheEskimo9

    Read it. Excellent article for everyone here to read.

  • scutum

    I no longer support libertartianism because they are nothing more than apologists for the Chamber of Commerce types, and those who cannot be named. They are for all the things that the readers of this website are against: IE: open borders, amnesty, miscegnation, outsourcing of our manufacturing base, importation of more cheap labor, and the attitude that people are nothing more than interchangeable economic units, and race and culture do not matter.

  • Garrett Brown

    Prove it.

  • ben no

    The racial realists cause, which is promoted by this website, is to prove that inequality exists and that is why some races can not perform at the same level of other races, academically, and that affirmative action is out-right discrimination against Whites, whose only crime is too be inherently intelligent.

    Their cause has nothing to do with supremacy, in fact they denounce it. This is why people of East Asian decent abuse and taint the racial realist cause, by turning it into a trivial semantics issue of superiority. They do this presumably because they have complexes against Whites who are the torch holders of human civilization. Perhaps they think that their academic achievement can somehow make up for their great lack of creativity and in-put on a world scale.

    Either way, they are constantly in our countries to prove themselves, which speaks for itself really. They don’t belong on this website – they should just go away – and I think you all know who I’m talking about here.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    I’m not sure why there is that distinct bias. The site is run by Dr. Helen Smith’s husband, Reynolds (I think). Her topics are strictly gender related. I read her latest book. They need to do some soul searching, those two.