Israel’s Elections Bring ‘Racism’ to the Fore

Jonathan Cook, Yahoo! News, October 21, 2013

In some parts of Israel, voters in Tuesday’s elections will be casting a ballot not on how well their municipality is run but on how to stop “Arabs” moving in next door, how to prevent mosques being built in their community, or how to “save” Jewish women from the clutches of Arab men.

While the far-right’s rise in Israeli national politics has made headlines, less attention has been paid to how this has played out in day-to-day relations between Israeli Jews and the country’s Palestinian-Arab minority, comprising a fifth of the population.

According to analysts and residents, Israel’s local elections have brought a tide of ugly racism to the fore, especially in a handful of communities known as “mixed cities”, where Jewish and Palestinian citizens live in close proximity.

Jewish parties, including local branches of the ruling Likud party, have adopted openly racist language and fear-mongering suggesting an imminent Muslim takeover of Jewish communities in a bid to win votes.

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Last week, as electioneering intensified, Salim Joubran, an Arab judge, stepped in to ban adverts by the Likud party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the cities of Karmiel and Tel Aviv.

Joubran, who is the first Arab in Israel’s history to chair the Central Elections Committee, which oversees elections, said the ads were “racist and almost certain to hurt the feelings of Arab Israelis and disrupt public order”.

In doing so, Joubran overruled the advice of the attorney-general, Yehuda Weinstein, who had argued that the committee had no authority to regulate online ads and posters.

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Notably, Netanyahu and his ministers have refused to condemn or distance themselves from the campaigns run by their local branches.

In Jaffa, the commercial capital of Palestine before Israel’s creation in 1948 and now a mixed suburb of Tel Aviv, Likud ran ads against local Muslims. A third of Jaffa’s population are Palestinian, but they face increasing pressure to leave under a programme of “gentrifying” neighbourhoods.

One ad–using the slogan “Silence the muezzin in Jaffa? Only Likud can”–echoed threats Netanyahu made in late 2011 to ban mosques from using loudspeakers to call Muslims to prayer.

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Sheikh Ahmed Abu Ajwa, an imam in Jaffa, said: “This is a racist campaign but we must not forget that those who promote hatred against Muslims and Christians in Jaffa are simply following the lead of the government.

“It is a great impertinence to tell us we need to silence our mosques. We were here–and so were our mosques–long before Israel’s creation. If they don’t like it here, they are welcome to leave.”

Another poster, implying that Palestinian citizens are not loyal to Israel and that Likud would intensify moves to remove them from the city, said the party would “Return Jaffa to Israel”.

Joubran similarly banned a phone ad used by the Likud party in Karmiel, a so-called “Judaisation” city in the Galilee designed to bring Jews to a region with a large Palestinian population.

Jewish residents had received a recorded phone message from someone calling himself “Nabil” inviting them to a fictitious cornerstone-laying ceremony for a new mosque in the town.

Karmiel’s Palestinian residents, believed to number less than 2,000 in a city of 45,000 people, say they have not even proposed that a mosque should be built in the city.

Koren Neuman, head of Karmiel’s Likud electoral list, said the election committee’s decision was unjustified.

“Our message is that we want to keep our city Jewish-Zionist. That, after all, is the mission of the state of Israel. We’re not against anybody. But Karmiel is supposed to be a Jewish city and we must not allow its character to be changed.”

He added that at meetings with voters, “the fear that is raised is that the city will become mixed”, and there would one day be an Arab mayor.

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Naama Blatman-Thomas, a local political activist, said Jewish parties in Karmiel had resorted to “dirty tricks” in response to the emergence of a joint Jewish-Arab party, Karmiel Rainbow, contesting the council election.

“When I have spoken to Jewish residents, the narrative in their minds is that their city is under threat of a takeover, that the Arabs will take our women, and so on. The views expressed in Karmiel are part of a much wider trend across the Galilee.”

Most communities in Israel are segregated on an ethnic basis.

However, in recent years Palestinians in the Galilee have started migrating to Judaisation cities such as Karmiel in growing numbers because Israeli land policies have deprived their own communities of land for new house construction, said Zeidan.

In rural communities such as the kibbutz and moshav where housing is available, vetting committees have been put in place to ensure housing is off-limits to Palestinian citizens.

But in cities such as Karmiel, homes are available for purchase if Jews will sell to Palestinian citizens. Blatman-Thomas, who is researching segregation policies in Karmiel for her doctorate, said Jews were emigrating from the city because of a shortage of employment opportunities, opening the way to Palestinians from the surrounding towns and villages to buy apartments.

Recent surveys show a strong aversion from many in the Jewish public to living in shared communities. According to the annual Israel Democracy Index , published this month, 48 percent of Jews would not want an Arab neighbour, while 44 percent favoured policies to encourage Palestinian citizens to emigrate from Israel.

Such sentiments have received official backing from municipal rabbis. More than 40 signed a decree in 2010 that Jews must not sell homes to non-Jews.

At that time, Karmiel’s deputy mayor, Oren Milstein, set up an email “hotline” on which residents could inform on Jewish residents who were intending to sell to Palestinian families. Milstein claimed he had managed to stop 30 such sales.

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Similar tensions have erupted in Upper Nazareth, a Judaisation city built in the 1950s to contain the growth of Nazareth, the Biblical city of Jesus’ childhood.

Over the past decade, large numbers of Christians and Muslims have moved into Upper Nazareth, with some estimates suggesting of the city’s 55,000 population a quarter may now be Palestinian citizens, most of them from Nazareth.

The mayor, Shimon Gapso, has erected large Israeli flags at every entrance to the city in the run-up to the election, in a move he said was designed to make clear that Palestinian citizens were not welcome in Upper Nazareth.

Raed Ghattas, one of two Arab members of the local council, said Gapso’s whole election strategy had been based on a hatred of Arabs. “There are four candidates for mayor–for us, it is a matter of which one is the lesser evil. But Gapso is definitely the worst of a bad bunch.”

Earlier this year Gapso issued a pamphlet to residents warning: “This is the time to guard our home! . . . All requests for foreign characteristics in the city are refused.”

He has rejected building a church or mosque, allowing Christmas trees in public places or, most controversially, building an Arab-language school for the 2,000 Palestinian children in the city.

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Defending his election campaign in an article in the Haaretz newspaper under the headline “If you think I’m a racist, then Israel is a racist state”, Gapso accused his critics of “hypocrisy and bleeding-heart sanctimoniousness”. The important thing, he wrote, was that his city “retain a Jewish majority and not be swallowed up in the Arab area that surrounds it”.

In another interview , he said: “95 percent of Jewish mayors [in Israel] think the same thing. They’re just afraid to say so out loud”.

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  • Rhialto

    The Arab judge is being foolish. Because of Halocaust, the Nation of Israel cannot be Racist.

    • Spartacus

      Careful now, talking like that might get you killed .

  • Spartacus

    OH MY GOD ! THOSE JEWS ARE NAZIS !

    • c684570

      You say it like that’s a bad thing. They want to preserve their people. Nothing wrong with that.

      • Manaphy

        “They want to preserve their people. Nothing wrong with that.”

        We understand. I firmly believe that every race, creed, and religion has a right to nationalism and their own state. So do Jews. However, Jewish nationalism conflicts with ours, so we must fight it vehemently. Jews like Caroline Glick and Debbie Wasserman Shultz champion non-white immigration to the U.S. and to Europe, yet they call you a Nazi if you question why the Israeli government doesn’t give citizenship to non-Jews. Jews lead ALL “Anti-Racist” organizations, yet if you speak out against anti-white racism, Jews will call you a Nazi.

        Jews may have a right to preserve their people, yet it seems that they have done everything in their power to make sure that Whites cannot preserve their people. While I understand why Jews don’t want to be a minority in what they consider to be their homeland, Jews are trying to make it so that I am a minority in MY homeland. If the global perception of a people is determined by how they treat others, then Judaism will end up in the dustbin of history.

        Amren will delete this comment in 5…,4…,3…,2…

        • Svigor

          Precisely. When “reciprocity” means you should be punished, you’re up to no good.

      • Svigor

        Yes, there’s something wrong with one half of the tribe seeking to preserve, protect, and defend their ethnostate (the Fatherland in the Levant) while the other half does everything it can to prevent white “gentiles” from thinking about or creating any thing like an ethnostate for themselves (or any of the prerequisites thereof), much less preserving, protecting, or defending same, even as the two halves of the tribe maintain warm relations and cooperate extensively.

        That’s not just love for one’s own, that’s malice for the other.

      • RisingReich

        Nope nothing wrong with it until you want to do it here in the US on the behalf of Whites and all of a sudden YOU are the NAZI.
        Tomorrow the number will be seven million. By the time your kids are in college 10 million would have been killed.
        “Hypocrites then, hypocrites NOW.”

        • Raydonn

          Profitable, itz.

  • Spartacus

    “Our message is that we want to keep our city Jewish-Zionist. That,
    after all, is the mission of the state of Israel. We’re not against
    anybody. But Karmiel is supposed to be a Jewish city and we must not
    allow its character to be changed.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    And when we say the same thing in our countries, there’s a bunch of jews who have a problem with it, and go as far as to send us to prison or even kill us . Then they wonder why the whole world hates them…

    • JohnEngelman

      Fortunately, the Jews have not been “kicked out of” the United States. We need their IQ power.

      • Spartacus

        You need them like you need bubonic plague .

        • Manaphy

          Don’t even bother responding to John Engelman. He is an idiot. If you try to debate him, he will bring you down to his level of intelligence, and then beat you with experience.

          • Spartacus

            I have to. We have to. Keep in mind, most people are really dumb, and someone reading his posts without seeing a logical counter-argument (which isn’t really that complicated, considering what utter gibberish most of what he says is) might take it for the truth. So just debunk him every time, no matter how annoying it might be . Remember, a small crack in the dam will eventually bring the whole thing down if we don’t patch it right away .

      • White Mom in WDC

        Jews cheat and lie. I have had experience testing Jewish kids in the Capitol Hill area to get kids into private schools. This one Jewish father practically bullied me into getting me to say his kid was a prodigy. I didn’t. Because of this I have been scorned by the Jewish families in hat area. Oh well. As I said before, Jews invented intelligence testing so they know how to teach their kids to the testing. Many psychologists are Jewish so I am sure palms are getting greased regarding test results. IQ measurement is line everything else in the USA, dirty business and pay to play

        • JohnEngelman

          With an average IQ of 115 Jews do not need to “cheat and lie.” They earn their academic distinctions and high incomes honestly.

          • White Mom in WDC

            Really? You don’t get out much do you? Sorry but you do not function in reality. Ever heard of the expression ‘getting Jewed?’ Jews are honest like Chinese are honest- they are not.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews are resented by those who cannot compete with them because they lack the IQ power.

          • White Mom in WDC

            I don’t resent people who are smart. I resent people who cheat and step on others to get ahead. Are you Jewish? If not, the Jews see it fit to crap on you and your family and tear your society apart using minorities as their henchmen.

            By the way, you keep repeating the same thing ‘Jews have high IQs’. Old and not sound argument. You obviously have not read my posts or have had any REAL life experience with Jews. If you did, you have a different tune.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have known, liked, and admired Jews all of my life.

          • HamletsGhost

            And I’ve liked Rocky Road ice cream my whole life. What’s the point?
            Your personal likes are not an argument.

          • Svigor

            You sound like a cheap date.

          • Spartacus

            No… Jews are resented because they created marxism, feminism, communism, gay “rights”,, and a million other things that have killed hundreds of millions of people throughout history, and are destroying our entire civilization as we speak. . And I’m only talking about recent times, and not going back to when they sold White women and Children as slaves to muslims, or how they acted as a fifth column for the same muslims who were invading Christian lands…

          • White Mom in WDC

            Right on. All we hear about is the Holocaust, but never Holomodor

          • Jesse James

            Jews are resented by those who cannot compete with the tightly organized and often corrupt Jewish in-group networks. Jews concentrate their efforts in certain areas and seek to dominate them entirely so often that you would have to describe their wealth generating process as clearly anti-meritocratic. White groups that attempt to organize in this way are often targeted for legal action by the government and are open to charges of racism and discrimination by this countries socialist mobs.

          • Svigor

            Jews are resented by those who are wronged by them, because that’s what people tend to do – resent those who do them wrong.

          • c684570

            JohnEngelman, perhaps you should look at your horrid like to dislike ratio for that comment.

          • Svigor

            Jews don’t have a mean IQ of 115, not even close. The best estimates for the global Ashkenazi mean is around 108, which is significantly higher than the global Jewish mean.

      • David Ashton

        Do “they” need “us”?
        I express no view for or against “the Jews”, but am interested to see your answer to this question.

        • JohnEngelman

          The need is mutual. They need a safe place to live. We need them to fill positions requiring superior intelligence.

          • David Ashton

            Next question:
            Is Israel a safe place to live?

          • White Mom in WDC

            If you look at my blog vikingbitch, you will see a post highlighting an article/cumn where this Jewess kevetches about Israel being a terrible place. Oh well, so much for ‘superior’ intelligence spawning safe communities. Jews are sociopaths who mimic and cheat, hence the turd mound Israel. Stay away and stay in Israel o wretched people!

          • bigone4u

            You forgot the web address. Your blog is blondegynocide(dot)wordpress(dot)com

          • HamletsGhost

            Parasites can’t live off of other parasites. This is why the Zionist project has failed and will ultimately end in disaster for Jews and non-Jews alike.

          • Kenner

            Oh, that’s you?!

          • White Mom in WDC

            Yep!

          • Hunter Morrow

            Utter poppycock. A nation of 200 million Whites needs several hundred jews calling the shots? 2.3 percent of Whites have IQs of 130 or higher. There are more Whites in the U.S. with a 130 or higher IQ than total jews in the country. There are more Whites (2.3 percent of 700 million) with 130 or higher IQs than jews on Earth!

            Whites need jews the way a salmon needs a lamprey.

          • JohnEngelman

            No country can have too many people with high IQ’s.

          • Hunter Morrow

            Why have you so utterly fetishized IQ to a point where you’ll let non-White wealthy opportunists with race interests contrary to the White race come into our countries and benefit from our systems? You Asian-adoring IQ test worshipers and “The look White to me!” philo-semites really baffle me. How much are you getting paid to be this stupid?

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not see how my interests run contrary to those of Orientals and Jews. How do they?

          • Svigor

            Orientals and Jews don’t agree with you; they keep their countries oriental and Jewish, respectively.

            Why are you advising us to do the opposite of what your supposed role models are actually doing? You give every impression of being a thoroughgoing liar.

          • JohnEngelman

            No country can have too many people with high IQ’s.

          • David Ashton

            Just as it stands this makes sense, but “country” and “people” are ethnocultural concepts in addition to mere individual brainpower.

            In Britain it is quite clear that our Chinese communities think of themselves first as Chinese, as the recent London Chinatown demonstrations in effect supporting illegal immigrant labor indicated.

            What do you make of Herzl’s statement that when down, the Jews are the officers of the proletariat, and when up, they use the terrible power of their purse?

            To clarify all to briefly my own position, I criticise Jews who want foreign immigration into England and other hitherto “white” homelands, but support those against it. I was acquainted with the late Sir Alfred Sherman, an anticommunist Jew, who helped to promote an anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism lobby in London, along with two MPs, four leading academics, a former senior MI6 officer, a famous writer and a barrister.

          • JohnEngelman

            My attitude about any immigration is nuanced, as I think I have indicated. I like immigrants and the cultural diversity they provide. The Mexican restaurant near where I live displays a Mexican flag. That does not bother me. I kind of like it.

            I am confident that when Italian immigration was more current many Italian restaurants displayed Italian flags.

            At the same time, I recognize that immigration has economic costs. As one whose twenty year computer career was essentially ended by H1B Visas, that is a concern of mine.

            Finally, I prefer Oriental immigrants to Hispanic immigrants, and see no reason to admit Muslims and/or blacks.

          • JohnEngelman

            What do you make of Herzl’s statement that when down, the Jews are the officers of the proletariat, and when up, they use the terrible power of their purse?

            – David Ashton

            It is an interesting statement, with much truth to it. In the United States Republicans complain that while Jews have the incomes of Episcopalians, they vote like Puerto Ricans.

          • David Ashton

            Disraeli can be similarly quoted, but I don’t want it deleted!!!

            The Jewish historian Norman Cantor notes that in the 1920s and 1930s the contention that Jews were both communists and capitalists was supported by “empirical data” (“The Sacred Chain” [1995] pp.274-275 &c).

            Jacob Schiff contributed to the revolution against the Czar, and both Olof Aschberg and Alexander Helphand were Jewish financiers with communist views who helped the Bolsheviks.

          • PesachPatriot

            I have always liked Disraeli’s quote about his religious beliefs being the blank page between the OT and the NT

          • Mike Conrad

            To repeat: for your own reasons, you studiously ignore virtues such as “practical intelligence, creativity, emotional intelligence, social intelligence, musical or artistic talent…”
            Not to mention athletic ability, strength of character, belief in fair play, integrity, or honesty.

          • JohnEngelman

            “Practical intelligence, creativity, emotional intelligence, social intelligence, musical or artistic talent…” all correlate positively with IQ.

            “Athletic ability, strength of character, belief in fair play, integrity, or honesty,” do not correlate negatively.

          • Svigor

            Agreed. Israel should go first; they can’t have too many high-IQ Chinamen. Israel’s entire gov’t and industry should be turned over to the much more intelligent Chinamen.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence, followed by the Orientals. European Gentiles come in third.

          • Svigor

            Is that supposed to be your way of denying the obvious fact that there are more Chinese geniuses than there are Jews, of any kind? If Israel allowed high-IQ immigration of only people with IQs over 120, there would be more Chinese in Israel than Jews, in short order. For every Jew holding a position of power in Israel right now, there are five smarter, more diligent, more talented (in short, superior in every way) Chinese who should have the job.

            And, did you just acknowledge that the Ashkenazis are a separate race from white “gentiles”?

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ashkenazim are a sub race within the Caucasian race. Because they are so superior they are resented by those who are obviously inferior.

          • Svigor

            They can’t be superior; if they were, they’d welcome high-IQ immigration from China, and turn all important positions in their gov’t and industry over to the many better-qualified Chinese available.

            They don’t because they resent the obviously superior Chinese.

          • David Ashton

            I would say they were a mixed ethnic subset. Their biological composition, as described by the German anthropologist Guenther, has been largely confirmed by modern genetic studies. But they are not a “separate” race in terms of intellectual superiority: their individuals overlap in this respect with other Caucasids albeit in the higher range of IQ.

            Resentment of their “superiority” is too simple as a sole explanation for antisemitism in history and in different “host societies”. The ancient charge was that they “hated mankind”. The christian charge was that they had killed their own saviour. A persistent common accusation against both Sephardim and Ashkenazim has been that they are “sharp” in financial or trade matters, a moral rather than intellectual complaint. These matters are quite complex, and it is useful to study diverse Jewish sources closely as well as the writings of so-called “self-haters” (e.g. Bernard Lazare) and “antisemites” (e.g. Kevin MacDonald).

            A good place for any UNprejudiced person to begin might be Albert Lindemann, “Esau’s Tears: Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews” (Cambridge University Press, 2000).

          • JohnEngelman

            All of the races overlap in ability levels. Some whites play professional basketball. Some blacks become professionals and scientists without the help of affirmative action.

            Ashkenazi Jews have genetic markers that point to Israel three thousand years ago, Italy two thousand years ago, and the other European countries they have lived in.

            During the existence of the Roman Empire the Jews staged two costly rebellions against the Empire. This probably generated some populist hostility against them. When Europe became Christian antisemitism was religiously motivated. It still is in Muslim countries.

            Christian authorities did not allow Christians to practice money lending. They did not allow Jews to practice trades and professions Christians were allowed to practice. They did not allow Jews to own land. They did allow Jews to become money lenders.

            Money lending is essential to commerce. It is not the way to make friends. People do not like to have to borrow money. They do not like to have to pay it back.

            In eastern Europe Jews were often hired to manage aristocratic estates. This incurred the hostility of serfs and peasants.

            In the United States there is little hostility toward Jews. Support for Israel is not a political issue. The only political issue is how best to support Israel.

            Evangelical Christians support Israel, because they think the existence of Israel is evidence that the Second Coming of Christ is imminent. This support for Israel segues into a positive attitude about Jews living in the United States.

            It is unfortunate that American Renaissance attracts a few antisemites. I have it on good authority that Jared Taylor does not welcome their presence.

          • David Ashton

            Just one point: many Israelis welcome evangelical support because of a second coming fantasy they do not share, but simultaneously think the NT itself is the cause of “antisemitism” and the “holocaust”.

          • JohnEngelman

            My reading of the New Testament enhances my appreciation of the Old Testament, and of Jews.

            I have read a book by a Jewish scholar who described Jesus as a “Yiddish Mench” in a Jewish setting.

          • David Ashton

            There have been quite a number of books with different views of Jesus by Jews, Christians and atheists alike. It is worth looking at a variety of them. I wouldn’t recommend Ben Hecht.

          • JohnEngelman

            Although I like the blacks I know, I have a low opinion of the Negro race. It is easy for me to explain why. Members tend to be less intelligent than whites and Orientals. They have much higher rates of crime and illegitimacy. These assertions are easy to document.

            The only areas where Jews differ from white Gentiles is in higher average intelligence, and higher average income. Here again, this is easy to document.

            Where are there statistics compiled by credible sources that Jewish businessmen and financiers tend to be less honest than Gentile businessmen and financiers?

            I access American Renaissance nearly every day. If anyone has posted any evidence of Jewish immorality and crime I have never seen it.

          • David Ashton

            Again you just reissue your stock sentences verbatim and simply ignore evidence, e.g. of Jews involved in sexual crime.

            If Jews differ from white Gentiles ONLY in average intelligence and income, how can you distinguish “Jews” from other people? There is an ethnic difference here, and also an ethnic co-operation among Jews that is not the case with “Gentiles”. Read some Jewish literature if you don’t believe me.

          • JohnEngelman

            The stock sentences are about how “the tribe” hates whites, is responsible for the decline and fall of American civilization, was responsible for the cruelties of the Soviet Union, and so on.

            None of the charges against the Jews are documented. It is all anecdotal. It is clear that the Jew hate comes first, and the excuses come later.

            If you have credible sources documenting that Jews are more likely to commit sex crimes than white Gentiles, post it.

          • David Ashton

            The only important points from me, relevant to your comment, regarding “the tribe”, which is not an expression I have ever used (except in a joke about “tribesite”) are: (1) comments on the statistically disproportionate numbers of people of Jewish heritage in the leadership of the Hungarian and Soviet communist parties and their secret police, and in the CPUSA, and (2) references where you can yourself examine the role of Jews formerly in “white slavery” and currently in commercial porn.

            (1) You will find some statistical data in Andre Gerrits, “The Myth of Jewish Communism” (2009), and with care, Denis Fahey, “The Rulers of Russia” (PDF). What matters is how such facts are explained.

            (2) Actually bother to read through the substantial evidence in several “Radio Islam” threads on white slavery and pornography, and then explain to us why the sources are incredible.

          • JohnEngelman

            On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 10,000 members, of whom 364 were ethnic Jews…

            According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total.[20] Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[22]

            Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, and 12 Germans…

            In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People’s Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[20]…

            According to historian Iakov Etinger, many Soviet state purges of the 1930s were antisemitic in nature, and a more intense antisemitic policy developed toward the end of World War II.[28] Stalin in 1952 allegedly said privately that “every Jew is a potential spy for the United States”.[29]
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

            It does not surprise me that many Jews became attracted to Marxixm if they lost their religious faith. The Marxian ideal of the classless society is similar to the Jewish idea of what life will be after the coming of the Messiah.

            Nevertheless, Jewish complicity in Soviet tyranny has been greatly exaggerated by those who are looking for excuses to hate Jews.

          • Svigor

            The Jewish prominence in Soviet tyranny has been totally ignored by those who write mainstream history. In fact, pretty much any and all Jewish malfeasance has been totally ignored by those who write mainstream history. To them, Jews are never the bad guys.

            As for Soviet tyranny, often the NKVD hand wielding the gun putting bullets into the backs of heads was a Jewish hand. Jews were very prominent in the revolution, and very prominent in the “security” services torturing, killing, and imprisoning the natives. In many ways, the Jews’ role in communism resembles their historical role in Medieval Europe of bailiffs, an exploiter class. Often, when foreigners were brought in to run and oppress the natives in an Iron Curtain country (because the natives couldn’t be trusted to fully exploit and oppress their fellow natives), the foreigners were Jews.

          • JohnEngelman

            You have not documented any of those assertions.

          • Svigor

            The only areas where Jews differ from white Gentiles is in higher
            average intelligence, and higher average income. Here again, this is
            easy to document

            Another of your silly assertions. Yes, please do document that the only way white “gentiles” differ from Jews is in average intelligence and higher average income. Note, the “only way” part is what I want documented.

            LOL.

          • PesachPatriot

            I read a pretty interesting book called Rabbi Jesus when I was in high school but I forgot the author’s name…it might be something you would find intellectually stimulating…

          • David Ashton

            I think you must mean Bruce Chilton’s “biography”. Like so many writers, though more scholarly than many, he picks and mixes from different sources from his own judeophile angle. He is right, I think, about Jesus as a “marginal” sort of Jew of uncertain paternity.

            There are so many different angles that one could make an alphabetical list – Jesus the Aryan, Buddhist, Communist, Deity, Essene, Fiction, Galilean, Hasid….right through to Zoroastrian (my own favorite), and start again at the beginning. Various alternatives over the years have been collected by a witty Catholic writer Charlotte Allen, “The Human Christ” (NY: Free Press, 1998), which remains a useful popular introduction to this subject, which has intrigued me intermittently since boyhood.

          • Svigor

            When Europe became Christian antisemitism was religiously motivated. It still is in Muslim countries.

            Another oversimplification. Religious conflict almost always has an ethnic aspect, and often amounts to little more than a proxy for ethnic conflict. Just look at Martin Luther; he did a 180 on Jews. First, he took the Church’s position (philo-semitism) because he was a cloistered monk. When he got out into the world and took a look at what the Jews were really like, he did a 180 and turned to anti-semitism. If it were simply religious, then there would be no anti-semitism because the church and the nobility were philo-semitic because that’s where their bread was buttered; they made a lot of money off the Jews, who in turn made a lot of money off the commoners. It was like that in medieval Europe wherever Jews were found.

            “Gentile”-Jew conflict was almost always a matter of competition for resources between ethnic groups.

            Christian authorities did not allow Christians to practice money lending. They did not allow Jews to practice trades and professions Christians were allowed to practice. They did not allow Jews to own land. They did allow Jews to become money lenders.

            Most everyone was forbidden from owning land. Landowners were nobility, generally. This is what philo-semitic historians are referring to when they say Jews were forbidden from farming; they were forbidden from becoming part of the landowning nobility (the folks who owned (either effectively or outright) the peasants who actually did all the work).

            As for being barred to trades, it’s not that simple. In some places, they were, in others, they were encouraged into the trades. In either case, they weren’t looking to become menial laborers, or to work the land. This should be obvious from looking at Jews today, who are absent from menial trades.

            Money lending is essential to commerce. It is not the way to make friends. People do not like to have to borrow money. They do not like to have to pay it back.

            Yet, Jews have always flocked to the trade.

            I’ve always found it comical that Jews and their water-carriers act as though Jews were “forced” into money-lending. Yes, the poor Jews, forced to become bankers and hedge-fund managers, oh, let’s break out the violins for the Jewish usurers!

            In eastern Europe Jews were often hired to manage aristocratic estates. This incurred the hostility of serfs and peasants.

            That’s because you’re using “manage” as a euphemism for “exploit.” Exploiting the peasantry and wringing every possible penny from them was a bailiff’s job. That’s why they were universally reviled. The only thing more reviled than a bailiff was a whole ethnic group full of them. Jews were especially good at it not just because they were smart and diligent (not something praiseworthy in a bailiff from a peasant’s point of view), but also because they were an alien people, and an especially ethnocentric one at that. They tended to take a mechanistic, utilitarian view toward the peasants they were exploiting. They squeezed them harder than the natives would, which is why they consistently got the gig.

          • Sick of it

            110 IQ is a joke to me.

          • Svigor

            Yes, the worldwide mean for Ashkenazi Jewry of 107-108 is impressive as far as worldwide means go, but in terms of individual perspective, I don’t think of a 107 or 108 as impressive. In fact, I’d call it “middling.” I find the implication that a 107-110 or even a 115 IQ is some sort of bragging right to be laughable; the typical Ashkenazi Jew, from my point of view, is a middling intellect.

          • Sick of it

            How did you become a moderator on AR? You’re an oriental supremacist.

          • JohnEngelman

            Race realism is not the same as white supremacy.

          • Sick of it

            What comments do I make regarding white superiority? On the other hand, you incessantly invoke oriental superiority.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do so quoting material I have found on this website.

          • HenryWWolff

            Mr. Engelman is not an AR moderator. Please stop peddling rumors.

          • Sick of it

            That’s what I was told quite a while back. Thanks for the response. By the way, it should be noted that he lets people think he is a moderator.

          • Dapper Dan

            Jews discriminate against Arabs because they resent Arab excellence in the petroleum industry.

          • JohnEngelman

            Arabs drill oil that was discovered by Westerners using technology invented in the West. They drill it using technology invented in the west to fuel vehicles invented in the West.

          • HamletsGhost

            Jews make movies with technology that was invented in the West. They use it to brainwash masses of youth in the West to hate themselves and their ancestors.

          • JohnEngelman

            In a free country like the United States people do not voluntarily expose themselves to a message they dislike. Hollywood movies appeal because they are appealing.

          • David Ashton

            Not quite as simple as that. Taste and addiction can be manufactured by the mass-producers of entertainment, publishing and fashion, for purposes of sheer profit, although in the case of Hollywood the proportion of films on Nazi crimes as distinct from Communist crimes indicates a particular message.

            Pornography is “appealing” but undesirable, as you and I would agree, and non-observant Jews figure disproportionately in its production in the US and UK.

          • JohnEngelman

            Pornography is “appealing” but undesirable, as you and I would agree, and non-observant Jews figure disproportionately in its production in the US and UK.

            – David Ashton

            That assertion keeps being tossed around here. It may be true. However, I document my assertions. Can you or anyone document that assertion from a credible source?

          • David Ashton

            (1) I do not wish on AmRen to publicise “antisemitic” US websites as you can do your own internet search on this subject, which may include examples of indecent material as well as many names. Start with “Professor Nathan Abrams” quoted by e.g. Radio Islam’s “Jewish Dominance in the Porn Industry” and work from there. Personally I think commercial avarice is more important a motivation than an attempt to undermine (rather than emobdy contempt for) Christian morals, or personal lust. In Britain, look into e.g the Gold family “sex” industry and Desmond’s media empire accepted with equanimity by the mainstream Jewish press.

            (2) The “biological superiority of Ashkenazi [not Sephardic] Jews” is not an absolute caste stratum; there is a statistical mean IQ overlap with individuals of other ethnic origins, and in any case problem-solving capacity is only one aspect of human behavior. To quote Ashkenazic biologist Professor Steven Rose: “IQ doesn’t capture such elusive features as practical intelligence, creativity, emotional intelligence, social intelligence, musical or artistic talent” (New Scientist, October 26, p.28).

            (3) Two quotations I trust will be left intact by the moderator:

            (a) “Offences for which the Jew is convicted are almost invariably those which are common in urban communities, which accounts for the fact that offences against the commercial code are the most common…. Today few Jews take part in this [prostitution] traffic, and the reduction in their numbers is due to Jewish activity.” – Sidney Salomon, “The Jews of Britain” (1939) pp.140, 142.

            (b) “From August 1912 [New York] Jews were active [in] theft, receiving, gambling, prostitution, pimping, drugs, labour racketeering, horse poisoning, diamond smuggling and corruption of public officials…. Arnold Rothstein [was] arguably the founder of modern American organized crime…. [Meyer] Lansky would create a unique role for himself as the financial brains behind the Mafia but by 1930 he commanded a crew of killers…. With men like Lansky and {Bugsy] Siegel driving the industry forward it is hardly surprising that fifty years of legal gambling has changed the face of Nevada…. In 1949 [Moe] Dalitz and his friends used some of the millions they had laundered through the tax system to buy into Las Vegas…In 1983 B’Nai Brith..held a dinner in his honour….
            “Today pornography is the Mafia’s biggest growth industry, worth $6 billion a year…Reuben Sturman…Al Goldstein….’Jewish-American funds originating with the American underworld’…about 1,000 women are brought into Israel every year….” – Martin Short, “The Rise of the Mafia” (2009).

          • Mike Conrad

            “IQ doesn’t capture such elusive features as practical intelligence, creativity, emotional intelligence, social intelligence, musical or artistic talent”

            Not to mention athletic ability, strength of character, belief in fair play, integrity, or honesty.

          • stewball

            Are you talking about the Chinese?

          • Svigor

            No, charges against Jews are not always undocumented. But no one is interested in playing your OCD game where we have to re-document the charges in every thread. Have you read MacDonald’s work? No. Because you would much rather say “the charges are undocumented” than actually bother to read the documentation – because the documentation doesn’t matter. Hasbara 101.

            Not that MacDonald’s the sum of the charges, of course, but that’s a great place to start.

          • Katherine McChesney

            British film is superior to Hollywood movies. Hollywood movies, in general, are trash.

          • David Ashton

            Thank you on behalf of my living or dead compatriots like David Lean.

            Some of the old black-and-white Hollywood movies were also great, because they had good plots and interesting characters – no burning buildings, car chases, or pervy sex.

          • stewball

            Horrible man.

          • David Ashton

            Who me, or David Lean?

          • stewball

            Not you of course.

          • stewball

            I think I like you. I love our films.

          • stewball

            All religions have their self-haters
            but Jews more than most.

          • Svigor

            I find that to be the opposite of true; Jews whine more about their less ethnocentric members because, being so very ethnocentric in general, the exceptions are all the more salient. Plus, being so ethnocentric, they have much stricter standards of loyalty, meaning, so many more Jews are willing to accuse their own less-loyal members of treachery.

          • Sick of it

            Stolen technology used illegally at the very beginning of Hollywood. Not that anyone remembers that today.

          • stewball

            That’s funny.

          • Katherine McChesney

            “Arab excellence”…..Hahahahaha.

            Thanks for the laugh.

          • stewball

            Talk to me.

          • stewball

            What a ridiculous statement.

          • stewball

            Do you think the Arabs worked it

          • stewball

            The arabs would not be able to do everything alone? They have European boss’s cjg

          • Svigor

            Agreed. That’s why I say we should lobby to force Israel to import all the smartest people from China. Israel will become a Heaven on Earth once all their most powerful decision-making posts are staffed by Chinese geniuses.

          • stewball

            China at the moment is courting Israel to get some of their technology.

          • David Ashton

            And they’ll get it. Britain is also supplying the Chinese Communists with technology in return for their gradual take-over of our homeland energy security. No foresighted observer thinks this is a bargain except the global financial elite that profits from such trade.

          • stewball

            Are they going to build something that will be massive expensive?

          • David Ashton

            They are working with the susbsidised French to restart our nuclear industry but apparently on condition that in future similar ventures they will have a controlling share. These are the expedients of a dying nation by the rats that run it – and ruined it.

          • Dapper Dan

            America is fast becoming an unsafe place to live. We are also getting dumber as a nation. And it’s not because of “anti-semites”, but rather due to a large Jewish influence that is explicitly anti-White. Your logic does not make much sense.

            Oh, and the inventions that have shaped the modern world, such as the transistor, microprocessor, internal combustion engine, rocket engine, are the creation not of Jews, but of Whites.

          • stewball

            White Jews. You’d be surprised at the things you use that were made by Jews. However I find this very entertaining. You still blame the Jews for everything. It’s like a mantra for you lot. Of course none of you or your ancestors have done anything like the Jews. Maybe lower intelligence? That’s why blame the Jews. They’re to clever for their own good.

          • David Ashton

            There’s good and bad in all “races”. Jews can be too good and too bad, an historic misfortune?

          • stewball

            You put a song in my head that I can’t shift. Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson singing ebony and ivory go together in perfect harmony etc then there is good and bad in everyone etc. I thank you for messing withmy llittle brain

          • Svigor

            Jews benefit from far more things made by white “gentiles” than the latter do from things made by the former. Jews owe far more of their modern lifestyle to white “gentiles” than vice-versa. White “gentiles” have done far more for Jews than vice-versa.

            Et cetera.

          • stewball

            So that means you have done so much for the Christians,RCs, jehova witnesses and all the other religions that live round the world. You’re all just jealous that we’ve done that you lot can’t do.

          • stewball

            Prove it.

          • stewball

            Jews are whites. As far as I’m concerned I’m a British/israeli whose religion happens to be Jewish.

          • Extropico

            That goes beyond rational thought into being nakedly servile.

          • JohnEngelman

            I admire superior people. Why is that difficult for you to understand?

          • Extropico

            The alacrity with which you beg to be ruled over is disturbing to people who aren’t obsequious invertebrates, presuming you are actually white.

          • stewball

            Do you mean me? My grandparentsvcame from Russia before the revolution. I don’t think there were any non-whites milling about. You’ll have to take my word for it as I’m not going to post a picture of myself.

          • Svigor

            It’s difficult to believe: you claim to admire them, then recommend we do the opposite of what they do. Seems more consistent with a person who hates us, rather than admires them.

          • JohnEngelman

            I try not to hate people like you Svigor, but you are not lovable.

          • stewball

            Maybe John has a bit of guilt about the German in his blood. I’m not being nasty John. It was just a thought.

          • Raydonn

            My ‘admiration’ is directly proportional to the distance between us…..

          • White Mom in WDC

            What remark is servile?

          • Svigor

            The need isn’t mutual. You cannot name a Jewish contribution that couldn’t have been transferred across borders. I.e., they have light bulbs in China without importing the race of the man that invented them, or offering them a home.

            Yet I can sit here all day naming ways in which America would be better off without Jews in positions of power.

            Your pretense at the intellectual high ground is a bit silly in light of the fact that your accounting practices disregard arithmetic; when it comes to Jews, you can add, but not subtract. Who would hire an accountant who could tally income, but not expenditures? Who could use black ink, but not red. Jews are, on the whole, a negative contributor to our civilization, but you wouldn’t know that because when it comes to Jews, you use selective math; you add, but refuse to subtract.

          • JohnEngelman

            Antisemites like you are a negative contributor to our civilization, and this website.

          • blight14

            Patently incorrect…………..

          • stewball

            Of course I disagree with you. You’d probably be surprised how difficult things would get if all the Jews were to leave your noble country (with liar and a coward for a president) en masse.

          • Svigor

            I’ll take my chances. That’s the wonderful thing about freedom: people are free to experiment. This is an experiment I would definitely undertake, given the freedom.

      • bigone4u

        Some of them use their IQ power to create porn, Hollywood junk movies, and “game” (how to seduce women using trickery). I am not a prude, but some of this I could live without.

        • JohnEngelman

          I have always disliked the sexual revolution. The two main promoters were Hugh Hefner, the publisher of Playboy, and Helen Gurley Brown. Both of them were Gentiles.

          • Hunter Morrow

            Wow, to overlook the tremendous influence of jews in the sex slave and pornography trade because Hugh Hefner. What game are you playing at, here?

          • JohnEngelman

            The Mafia, which is largely composed of Italian Americans, dominates both areas.

          • Hunter Morrow

            Absurdity. It figures you’d toady for a non-White and bash Whites, too.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ashkenazim are whites.

          • The Bogeyman

            Not to mention Reuben Sturman, Al Goldstein, Seth Warshavsky, Steve Hirsch, Nina Hartley, Ron Jeremy, Mal Warub, Adam Glasser (“Seymore Butts”), etc., etc., etc.

          • Svigor

            Porn is pretty thick with Jews.

          • The Bogeyman

            Nah, according to engleman those folks are all eye-talian mafiosos.

          • Svigor

            I’ve never quite known what to make of Hefner. He claims to be a “gentile,” but he both looks and acts Jewish, and most of his best buddies seem to be Jewish (just look at who he hangs out with). He seems to be an honorary (i.e., de facto) member of the Tribe, like Whiskey of iSteve fame. Jewish crypsis (AKA, crypto-Jews/crypto-Judaism) is not new. Kevin MacDonald has written a lot of interesting stuff about Jewish crypsis.

            That’s leaving aside the idiocy of boiling the sexual revolution down to your two cherry-picked “main promoters.”

          • stewball

            What does crypsis mean?

          • Sick of it

            The name gives it away, as does the company he keeps.

          • Mike Conrad

            Not much in this realm is 100%. Still you can count on the preponderance of evidence in most cases. For my part, I think Donald Trump should be made an honorary jew…

          • stewball

            You didn’t answer my question.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Hefner is a jerk, Jewish or no. McDonald is a conspiracy theorist who needs to get to know some Jewish people, than spend some time around some Blacks, so that he gets a grip on reality. McDonald is originally from Madison, WI, though, where the Black population is small, and locals don’t like the extroverted New Yorkers that move there for the University, and assume that all of these New Yorkers are Jewish. These same folks tend to think that everyone with an eastern accent is Jewish.

        • stewball

          What? Lol.

        • China_Rising

          The average Jewish IQ is actually pretty low. It’s only the Ashkenazim Jews that have exceptional IQ’s.

          Not sure why people keep getting this wrong, but Jews, as an average, do not have exceptional IQ’s. Only when you start dividing them up into their regional ethnicities (Sephardi, Ashkenazim, Mizrahim, etc.), do you find a sub-group (specifically the Ashkenazim), which have exceptional IQ’s.

          Why take a minority of Jews though, a sub-group, and present them as standard for their race? It’s not true! Just look at Israel. A fairly trashy country, with some exceptional cities reminiscent of low-to-middle-income European cities.

          The average Jewish IQ is probably around a median of 95.

          The average Jewish IQ by subgroup:

          Ashkenazim: 110

          Sephardi: 98

          Mizrahim: 91

          Ethiopian Jews: 68

          SOURCE: Richard Lynn. The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement (2011)

          • Mike Conrad

            Interesting. This comports well with Ron Unz’s study about Ivy League admissions.

          • Svigor

            IIRC, that mean for the Ashkenazis is an American mean. The Ashkenazi mean in Israel is 104. So globally, their mean is substantially lower than 110.

          • China_Rising

            Ahh, great point actually.

            Taking that into account, and taking into account that around 45% of all Jews live in the USA, we can easily say that the mean Jewish IQ is not 95, but closer to 90.

            More research should be done on this, but I surprising remember a study conducted in the 80’s which put the median Jewish IQ at 90 as well.

          • Svigor

            My best guess is that the global mean IQ for Jews (of all stripes) is around 107 or so, but that’s a back-of-a-napkin estimate I did using current population figures and the best IQ data I had available.

          • China_Rising

            Did you take into account the Mizrahim and Sephardi Jews? These two groups score lower than 100. The Mizrahim especially, which score a median of 91 (in the latest study).

            In addition, seeing as how the Ethiopian Jews are recognized as Jewish, ‘officially’…. 🙂 …. they should be included as well.

          • Svigor

            Yeah. I forget exactly which groups I included, but I know I included the Sephardim. I probably just used the average for Israel as a whole, the average for Ashkenazi Israelis, the average for American Jews as a whole, the average for Ashkenazi Americans, and the relevant population figures. If memory serves, I put all the details into a comment at Steve Sailer’s blog.

          • stewball

            You people are so, I don’thave a word ffor you.

      • Svigor

        Jews in Israel need Chinese IQ power, yet, they don’t seem to want it, do they? There are more geniuses in China than there are Jews in the world, yet, the Israelis don’t want them in Israel. These Chinamen would create paradise on Earth in Israel with their big brains, and run Israel far more efficiently than the Jews there do now, but, no invitations from the racist Jews in Israel.

        I guess having lots of “IQ power” means trying to get the other guy to give his home to someone smarter, while keeping smarter people out of your own.

        • stewball

          The Chinese are setting up special universities for israelis to go to teach our high tech stuff or whatever and Israel is doing the same.

        • stewball

          How ignorance you are. First there’s more Chinese in the world than Jews of the any kindif you read newspapers you’d see that the 2 countries are working together.
          .

          • Svigor

            I think you have missed the point. Probably aided by the genocidal campaign against comments to this thread, lol. I wasn’t making a point that had anything whatever to do with national cooperation or exchange students or universities. I was talking about demographics and critiquing the idiocy known as “cognitive elitism,” a poison pill of a policy that boils down to “never do what smart people do, always do what they tell you to do.”

          • stewball

            The Chinese don’t want to dilute their blood with a bunch of foreigners and they’re not Jewish.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I would hope that most Jewish people have too much pride in their heritage to miscegenate with the cold, clinical Asians. Asians produce electronic gadgetry, but tasteless food and soulless music. I’d rather answer a wall phone like 25 years ago and have Klezmer music and Knishes on my dinner plate than a bunch of electronics.

          • PesachPatriot

            I have to agree with you there about the “cognitive elitism”….even the smartest people have to put their pants on one leg at a time in the morning….Lots of people, especially in america and probably europe and canada too are too smart for their own good…

        • stewball

          Huh? That has to be the most idiotic post I’ve ever read.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          There may be geniuses in China, yes, but they are mostly technically minded, and will bring us more electronic gadgetry, not things of beauty. I would rather have the beauty and soul of Klezmer music any day over the next model of phone made in Asia that can do everything except for soothe the nerves after a hard day. A world dominated by Asians is going to be too cold and clinical. We Caucasians must stand up against our dispossession.

      • RisingReich

        You can type until your fingers bleed, John, but history repeats itself and it is in the process right here. IQ isn’t everything and eventually people get tired of theivery, hypocracy, and traitorism.
        Traitors will not be forgotten, nor fogiven.

        • JohnEngelman

          Jews are achievers, not traitors.

          • Like Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?

          • JohnEngelman

            No race is perfect, not even the Ashkenazim. The Soviets would have invented the atomic bomb without help from the Rosenbergs.

          • David Ashton

            People of Jewish heritage – not just the Rosenbergs and their circle – figured prominently in the CPUSA and in various espionage activities in the west, understandably if not forgiveably so because of their mistaken attachment to the USSR as a post-czarist progressive paradise, threatened first by German and then by American “imperialism”. Some of leading traitors in Britain were Gentiles. There is too much “terrible simplification” in these matters.

          • JohnEngelman

            Can you document that? Jews had the right to join the CPUSA and to be active in it. Aside from the Rosenbergs, were they guilty of passing classified information to the Soviet Union? If so, how important was this information.

            Also, I see no reason why CPUSA members and their sympathizers should not have been able to work for the U.S. government, and to shape public policy and public opinion.

            I think the United States made grave mistakes during the Cold War that could have been avoided if the American Communist Party had been more prominent in the United States.

          • Luca

            And I think that when there is fire, a gasoline-tanker truck should be allowed to fight the fire along with the fire engines.

            The US is politically a Democratic Republic and economically based upon Capitalism.

            Communism is an authoritarian, one-party system and advocating state-run, controlled businesses.

            Communism can only work in a society where the populace are useful lazy idiots content with minimal government handouts.

            This country was founded on the concept of a government of, by and for the people. not a government that controls the people.

            Communism is nothing more than a monarchy disguised as group leadership.

          • JohnEngelman

            First of all, Communism is a dead issue. Second, there was never a chance that the United States would “go Communist.” Third, members of the American Communist Party have the right under the Constitution to be politically active. Democracy works best when the voters are exposed to many different points of view.

          • stewball

            You are all so scared of the communists. Mccarthyism
            Witch hunts. Look under the bed. Mad.

          • David Ashton

            McCarthy had a point, and non-communist Jews like George Sokolsky, Ralph “de” Toledano and Raymond Aron saw it at the time. Nowadays it seems to be Jews who see antisemites under the bed, and vice-versa. In every case we have to follow the facts wherever they lead, and also follow the money.

          • stewball

            I have absolutely no idea who these people are. Throwing their names at me is a waste of your time.

          • Ella

            I agree. When the people figure out they have an oligarchy or ruling class worth billions, then, they have a revolution. Sadly, they start the process all over again with a new set of communist leaders who make promises to their people again for unlimited power or access to wealth. It is insanity.
            On America’s problems, American people need to get the government politicians to “fear us.” We the People are the government.

          • David Ashton

            I have documented it at least twice in answer to your previous requests, but you have not followed the references up (lazy boy).

            The problem was that CPUSA members and sympathizers were also working for the Soviet government, subjectively and/or objectively to use their own jargon.

            How could someone committed to William Z. Foster’s “Toward Soviet America” (1932) and the Comintern honestly pledge allegiance to the USA?

            We’ve been over your last point, which turns common-sense on its head, before, but you can save me the effort of repetition by adding Robert Gellately’s “Stalin’s Curse” (2013) to the reading list I suggested on communist espionage. Too many documented details for me to summarise for lazy boys who don’t wish to improve their minds.

          • Svigor

            Yes, Engelman is extraordinarily lazy. Selectively so, of course.

          • stewball

            I thought Oppenheimerdid!

          • Luca

            And Nicole Simpson would have died eventually without help from OJ. Does that make it less of a crime?

          • stewball

            What’s that got to do with anything.
            Another disaster for America. Aquitting OJ!

          • Sick of it

            People who were using vacuum tubes until after the fall of the Soviet Union?

          • Mike Conrad

            So why not let them then? What was the virtue of giving them the intelligence as you seem to believe?

          • JohnEngelman

            For the record I am opposed to what the Rosenbergs did. My point is that it did not make much of a difference in the nuclear arms race.

          • HamletsGhost

            So if someone shoots at your head with a pistol and misses, you shouldn’t get too upset, since after all, he didn’t actually hurt you, right?

          • Svigor

            So, the Nazis would have killed Hungarian Jews, without Hungarians’ help. And no race is perfect! So, Hungarians are off the hook and Jews should STFU about them.

          • stewball

            Why are the hungarians off the hook? The nazis wouldn’t have been able to kill so many without the co-operation of all the invaded countries.

          • Svigor

            I just explained that: using Engelman’s logic. The Nazis would’ve got the job done without the Hungarians, just as the Soviets would’ve got the bomb without the Jews. Thus, the Hungarians are off the hook. This can be said of all the collaborating nations, obviously, I just pulled the Hungarians out of a hat.

          • stewball

            Ethel wasn’t a spy. Her delightful brother was and he ‘turned her in’.

          • David Ashton

            See Matthew Vadum, “The Rosenberg Traitors”, Frontpage Mag, June 21, and its references, all available on the internet. This source is run by pro-Israel Jews.

          • HamletsGhost

            Why do people keep bringing this up like it’s worth anything at all? Do you seriously expect me to believe that Julius was a spy and his wife didn’t know about it? The Rosenbergs and the Greenglasses played bridge together in their New York apartment and at least three of them were guiity of treason. But somehow lil ‘ol Ethel was clueless about what her husband and brother were doing.
            You can go and try to peddle that slop on Huffpo, but spare us your violins here.

          • stewball

            I don’t think I said she didn’t know.

          • HamletsGhost

            Of course she knew. And since she did, she was an accomplice to her husband’s treason. Yet Jews from around the world treat her like a martyr even after the Venona transcripts firmly established the Rosenbergs’ guilt.
            Your snarky dig at her “delightful” brother was a rather lame attempt to spit on what Jews consider to this day to be the real traitor: Greenglass who betrayed his tribe, rather than his fellow tribesmen who betrayed their country.

          • stewball

            Spies are disgusting and I certainly don’t think of her as a martyr. That’s insane but would you turn your family in if push came to shove? I can’t put state above family

          • HamletsGhost

            It’s not state vs. family, but nation vs. tribe. That’s the essential issue why Jews are reviled world-wide. They put their tribal interests ahead of those of the peoples among whom they live.

            Ted Kaczynski was turned in by his own brother. Nobody considers his brother to be a villain for what he did. But Greenglass lives in hiding to this day.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Kaczynski is of Polish Catholic descent. His contempt for American big business greed was why he mailed the bombs. While a very misguided response to this issue, I think anyone who has a spirit of White European American populism can respect where good old Ted was coming from. Big business greed is the enemy of traditional European culture. I just wish that good old Ted had put his woodworking skills to work making beautiful furniture, or cases for musical instruments, not cases in which to mail bombs.

    • Hunter Morrow

      120 explusions in 80 different regions. Every single group of people that has come into contact with them was preyed upon by them and rightfully came to loath them.

      Anti-semitism: A disease caused by contact with jews.

      • David Ashton

        To generalize, the Jews as an international people with a distinctive culture without a territory of their own have periodically come into conflict with national peoples of different culture with territories of their own. It is an entirely comprehensible sociological phenomenon, and undeniable.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Yes!! With the exception of the contingent of usurious bankers/crooked businessmen, the Jewish people have prevailed against adversity. The shtetl was a place of learning and great music. I’ve never understood the intense resentment of them.

          • David Ashton

            John Engelman has a point when he suggests that “Gentiles” resent Jewish mental ability, but this is because they believe rightly or wrongly that this ability has been used in ways to their comparative disadvantage or in ethically dubious ways. The interaction between a landless international people with its own distinctive culture, and peoples with national territories and cultures of their own, has caused friction over time and in many places. “Faults” have not been only one side.

            Music of the shtetl is not to my taste, but I can and do appreciate the learning that some Jews have contributed to historical as well as scientific research; I would never have got into studying communism but for critical writings on Soviet affairs by David Dallin, though I am also well aware of the malign contribution of many other Jews to leftist revolution and “egalitarian” propaganda.

            If you have not already read them, you may be interested in Jerry Z. Muller, “Capitalism and the Jews” (Princeton UP, 2010) and Antony C. Sutton, “Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution” (Clairview 2011).

      • stewball

        Arabs are also semites. Wait until the world becomes muslim and they will kill all the Christians as they are doing in their counties or doesn’t that bother you?

        • Sick of it

          You should know that we aren’t fond of Arabs…

          • stewball

            Who does.

      • China_Rising

        Why oh why did your people not finish them off when you had the chance?

        This vermin could have been finished off for good, and now it’s too late.

  • bigone4u

    The Israeli Jews and I have something in common. We want a safe, peaceful, racially homogeneous homeland. I wish the Jews good luck in their quest for their own place in the world. I wish the Jews would wish me good luck for having a similar wish.

    • White Mom in WDC

      They give themselves all the wishes for luck in the world and drown us goy in diversity to satisfy their genocidal new world order. The Jews will never stop until every last person. of White European Christian descent is dead.

    • HamletsGhost

      If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

      Jews are hard-wired for hatred of all non-Jews. Before you express any hatred for blacks and what they do to us, save it for the gang that sicced them on us.

    • Svigor

      I think a better way to proceed is reciprocity; condemn Jews for pursuing their quest for a place in the world until they stop condemning you for doing the same.

  • IstvanIN

    What goes around comes around.

  • Hunter Morrow

    What, they’re not celebrating diversity? Make no mistake, White man, Schlomo wants black, brown and yellow in every White neighborhood, with gays and junkies to boot.
    Not just in your nation, but world wide.

    They should be forced to deal with nothing but Arabs for the rest of their rotten, thieving
    lives over there. Celebrate diversity! Mazel tov!

    • White Mom in WDC

      Look out. They are already starting their kvetching so they can refugee status here and further feed their parasitic need to be right up against the goy to suck off our resources. Get the word out to your friends with their Jew goggles on.

      • Hunter Morrow

        “We hate the goyim so much, but we want to be in every major White city and running it.” They’re no better than the blacks and hispanics this place rails against, and rightfully so. They both leech off the White race. One in a more brutal and obvious way, the other in a more conniving fashion. Which is most damaging, who can say?

        • Romulus

          “which is more damaging”
          If the answer to that question doesn’t immediately come to mind…….

          • Hunter Morrow

            It is the jews. The tool is no match for the wielder. Blaming blacks and hispanics and arabs here while tip-toeing around the jews pumping non-Whites into White countries, filling their heads with racial animus and false notions of “equality”,abusing them and siccing them on Whites like bioweapons, the answer is clear. Blaming non-Whites over jews is like blaming bullets for an assassination.

        • HamletsGhost

          Blacks are a hemotoxin. Jews are a neurotoxin. While both are bad news, one merely destroys tissue on contact, while the other shuts down the central nervous system leading to certain death.
          You have a fighting chance if you get bitten by a rattlesnake. If a mamba bites you, it’s game over.

          • Kenner

            Okay, Hamlet, that is one for the ages—!!

      • dave

        its good to see alot of people are waking up to these devils in disguise. they have destroyed every nation they infected with porn,multiculturalism,diversity,gun control,affirmative action,political correctness,gay rights,etc.

        • Svigor

          I don’t much care for this sort of rhetoric. There are too many instances of it in this thread for me to respond to all of them, but suffice it to say that I don’t think heated, hyperbolic, emotional rhetoric like “devils” and such is productive.

          (Mods, if you delete any of my other responses in this thread, please delete this one, too)

      • HamletsGhost

        When Israel finally collapses, get ready for a flood of refugees streaming into your neighborhood, all greedily scooping up government benefits to establish themselves in their new digs. Get ready to hear a new round of sob stories that will rival the big H in mawkish mendacity. And then get ready to pay for it all.

        “The light unto the nations” is really just a fireball of white phosphorus ready to burn everything in its path.

        • White Mom in WDC

          I know. This is why Whites in the USA must go stealth. We must not feed the beast any longer.

    • Romulus

      I’d like to give them a Molotov!

  • Hunter Morrow

    Did you know that the statement…

    “We are not against blacks and arabs, but we want London/Paris/Oslo/Berlin/Rome/Athens to be White cities” is illegal but the people who made those sentiments illegal are whining and moaning that the statement “We want our city to be jewish and we want to vote for politicians who will keep non-jews” is illegal?

    One rule for them, and one rule for the people-shaped animals they call goyim and minim.

  • White Mom in WDC

    Oh well Jews, just deal. Diversity is a bitch isn’t it?

  • dave

    an antisemite is not someone who hates jews, it is someone the jews hate

  • Romulus

    Hurray!! The Birds come home to roost! I hope the Arabs run them over. The @$&#! SOB’s. They will get their comeuppance. Considering the harm that “they” have caused the west, im singing praises.

  • MBlanc46

    “…certain to hurt the feelings of Arab Israelis…”

    Ruin our country and destroy our way of life? No problem. But hurt someone’s feelings? Never!

    • Katherine McChesney

      There is no such thing as an Arab Israeli. They’re squatters who have no right to any land in Palestine/Israel. They stole land from the native Hebrews centuries ago.

  • HamletsGhost

    Not gonna happen. Wishing Jews would leave our nations alone is about as realistic as hoping that mosquitos would leave us alone. They won’t because they can’t. Jews need to have enemies, and if they don’t have them they’ll make them.

    • Svigor

      This is readily apparent. Just look at how many Jews live in the diaspora, among the awful “gentiles,” and compare to how many live in Israel, among their own kind. Then compare the mean IQ for Ashkenazi Jews in Israel (c. 104) to the mean IQ for Ashkenazi Jews in America (c. 110); the smart ones know where the living’s good. All of this belies their mewling about “antisemitism.”

      Like blacks, they whine about us because that’s where the money is, but you couldn’t pry them away from us with a crowbar.

  • HamletsGhost

    In Israel, the ultra-Orthodox perform the same role as Jews do in America. They’re the Jews’ Jews.

    • Kenner

      That is brilliant.

      • HamletsGhost

        Thank you!

        • Kenner

          I was disappointed your ‘Hemotoxin/Nuerotoxin’ comparison got deleted. I already used ‘brilliant’, so I’m at a loss for words.

          • HamletsGhost

            Just pass it on forward to others. Some memes deserve a wider circulation.

        • Kenner

          Please, less ‘Ghosting’, and more commenting. Your knack for boiling it down to the essence is something I strive for, and you’ve mastered it…

    • Mike Conrad

      And they are known for spitting on Christians with complete impunity. Even Haaretz admits it.

      See “Orthodox spitting attacks on Old City clergymen becoming daily”

      This is what Americans finance with their tax dollars, not to mention their Madoff dollars…

  • HamletsGhost

    Funny. China wants to destroy Taiwan, but that little island doesn’t seem to need American financial and military support.

  • Lewis33

    Very OT, but whatever side of this you are on, you have to find this funny…from some irish news outlet came this picture of a old mans birthday cake…

  • Terra Magnum Imperium

    More news from the worlds largest gated community.

  • Svigor

    You cite Lynn’s opinions, yet ditch his IQ estimates for Jews (mean of 110 for Jews in the US, not 115 globally (the numbers globally are substantially lower because all the smart Jews move here)) in favor of cherry-picked data.

  • Svigor

    Then why do all the smart Jews live in America, and the less intelligent ones in Israel? Why do all the smart Jews choose to live around the “inferior” “gentiles,” why all the dumb ones choose to live around the “superior” Jews, in Israel?

  • Svigor

    If they want to enact laws which we ourselves would enact if we could, regarding our respective problems, why not?

    The same reason you don’t let your enemies sit down to a nice dinner with his family, when he has prevented you from doing the same with yours. You ruin his dinner in the hopes he’ll get the message and stop ruining yours.

    In a word: reciprocity. Let Jews tell you how to act: ask them if they’ll let white “gentiles” have for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. Their answer will tell you how to proceed. Better yet, just examine their collective behavior, and it will tell you how to proceed.

    And please, let’s not hear they Jews stole that land from the Palestinians. MOST of that land was BOUGHT from Palestinians or Arabs who held the land.

    So what? Most of the land the USA got was BOUGHT from the Amerinds. That doesn’t stop Jews from taking the Amerinds’ side (then switching and taking the colonists’ side when it comes to their Fatherland in Israel).

    We should too.

    Guess who’s the number 1 obstacle to us getting your policies implemented? That’s right: Jewry.

  • Kenner

    I have a knack for physiognomy. There are several ways of looking Irish, and I can spot them all. It’s not always obvious, the sum is much more than the parts.
    I’m sure I watch more TV than most of you.
    Acting in TV commercials is lucrative. Over the past four years, I’ve discerned a striking trend, starting with the ads for prescription drugs that seem to be named for gang bangers, and with the same side effects. The actors in these ads are often Jewish. It’s how to keep money in the ‘family’. The perfect ‘LL Bean’ scene is now filled with not Biffs and Buffys, but Rachaels and Murrays. Just look more closely.
    It’s true in movies and TV as well. I rented a Harvey Weinstein flic, ‘Dark Skies’, and most of the ‘neighbors’ in the film had strikingly Jewish features. Again, keeping the money in the family.
    ‘The Goldbergs’ is a new sitcom about a family living through the Eighties. Taking a name often used as a derogatory slur at Jews, and redefining it as endearing is brilliant, and who can blame them? But–
    When a group is a tiny fraction of our population, -however talented, and I’ll give them that- Should they be 30-40 percent of the faces in front of the camera? I’m seeing the notorious ‘overreach’ the tribe is known for, and it feels like my Irish nose is getting rubbed in it.
    The movies increasingly feature Jewish players. In one recent comedy, a character pointed out that his buddies’ buddies were all Jewish. The reply? ‘There’s a reason you weren’t Chosen!’….funny.

    • David Ashton

      I think in the US movie/TV world you get Jews talking to themselves about themselves, so to speak. This is obvious in the sitcoms we get in Britain. However, I thought “Seinfeld” particularly funny and miss this Jewish Jokefest on our screens.

      • Sick of it

        Seinfeld was funny, but could also be quite dirty.

        • bebe

          I could never get into that show. I didn’t think Seinfeld was particularly funny at all. It was such a disjointed show to me.

          • Svigor

            I’d have to watch it to like it, but my Jewdar was well-developed long before the show aired and always drives me away from anything that kosher. I’ve never watched an episode.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Each to his own. My Nigdar has always been extremely keen. Never could stand to watch any of their shows, and the ones who present themselves better are the most disgusting, namely Cosby and Oprah. At least Redd Fox as Fred Sanford depicted Blacks as they really are, not some sanitized version to try to brainwash naïve Whites. Cosby is a disgusting jerk who intentionally tries to sway Whites into thinking that Black can be trusted. I can see right through his nice clothes, clearer enunciation, and empty castigation of typical Bantu behaviors.

          • Svigor

            Same here, stopped watching anything with practically any blacks in it a long time ago.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        I miss it as well. Enjoy the reruns. Never could stand the 80’s Negroid sitcoms with them invading the suburbs. Whites who like Cosby are naïve. He is no different from the rest of the Groids. Behind the nice clothes and clearer enunciation, it is the same old hateful attitude. I wish all Whites could learn one essential thing about Blacks. Never, ever trust a Ni**er. Never!!

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Yet Hispanics and blacks scream White Racism — at us Whites — when they’re not shown in what they deem to be the correct proportions in movies and TV. They’re barking up the wrong tree.

      And yes, what you wrote is certainly true.

      • Kenner

        Bon, your contribution to the conversation here has been immeasurable. Thank you.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      This Goldbergs is evidence that Ashkenazi Americans are treated with the same disrespect and disdain by the Libtard media as all of us Whites. They have already disrespected Italian Americans with Mafiosi stereotypes over and over. Now, they are throwing Ashkenazi Americans under the bus. Does anyone think that we will see a show anytime soon, on a major network, that showcases a stereotypical Negroid household?? Of course we will not. Will we see any shows that play us Hispanic stereotypes?? Of course not. And why is that? Because Obama and his henchmen hate Whites, and hate all White culture. Their goal is too not only see us as a minority group in America, but to make an many White youth into Wiggers hooked on rap music with saggy pants containing bags of marijuana and crystal meth as possible. They are also on a quest to make as many White women into sluts who sleep with Negroes as possible, and as many White men that cannot be Wiggerized into gays as possible. This is the plot that I am worried about the most, and that we all should be wise to, and it is not a Jewish plot. It is a Black plot, and has been ever since the days when that slimy, sociopathic, venereal disease infested MLK was trying to brainwash America.

  • Hunter Morrow

    What in the world has overcome this website? Letting the truth about the Jews be told just a little bit? You know something? This comment section looks White to me tonight!

  • Hunter Morrow

    Can it. We all know how riddled rotten with jews Russia was. It ain’t called judeo-bolshevism for nothing. Even Putin said Communism in the early days was majorty jew in crucial positions and gave the figure of “80 percent jewish or married to them” just last year!

    Kruschev used to brag that the USSR was a Jew Worker’s Paradise. He’d often note that the government was almost a third jew and whoever wasn’t a jew had a good jew wife.

    “Not all jews are communists, yet communism was created by jews, for jews, and would not be possible without them.”-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

  • How many countries do Muslim Arabs possess?

    • Garrett Brown

      A whole lot

    • HamletsGhost

      Not as many as the Jews possess.

  • JohnEngelman

    I do not understand how my interests are at variance with the interests of Jews and Orientals. How are they?

  • Rhialto

    Since Israeli Jews and Israeli Palestinians are the same race, how can Racism be invoked?
    As the late Helen Thomas pointed out, “How can I be Anti-Semitic, when I am a (non-selfhating) Semite”.

    • M.

      Then you’ve obviously never had to deal with Arabs. Arabs are on average a lot more primitive than Jews and a lot dumber. And they have nonnegligible Negroid blood in them.

    • curri

      It depends on how you define race. There is no hard,strict definition of “race”-or even of species, for that matter. Recall that non-African homo sapiens are actually of part Neanderthal ancestry. Anyway, check out Steve Sailer’s blog and put “jews” +”race” in the search box for a series of discussions on that topic.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Most Jews are racially Caucasian. Many Arabs are part Negroid.

        • Svigor

          But I do not use “white” and “Caucasoid” as synonyms. “White” to me means, at its broadest, “European Caucasoid.” But I prefer “descendant of European Christendom.” Either definition excludes Jews, who have substantial non-European ancestry.

          Then there’s the cultural definition of “white,” which also excludes Jews, who are all able and mostly willing to opt out of whiteness when it suits them (Just try blaming them for slavery or the other sins of real whites and you’ll see what I mean).

          Try immigrating to Israel with your “whiteness” card and you’ll see what I mean. Reciprocity is my watchword: I don’t mean to let them get into my Zion with their “whiteness” card, either.

    • M.

      You’ve obviously never had to deal with Arabs. They’re a lot more primitive and dumber than Jews.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        A lot of Arabs have quite a bit of Negro admixture in their gene pool. Very few European Jews have this admixture, so there is racial basis to calling Arabs non-White, and European descent Jews White.

  • Raydonn

    Hmmmmm, for some strange reason, the proverbial ‘we/thee’ comes to mind…….but yet they assure us that ‘diversity is OUR greatest strength’……..

  • David Ashton

    Thank for your reply to my second of two polite and reasonable questions I put to Mr Engelman, which have been deleted along with merely abusive “jew jabber” from others. I think that as a proposed “solution” to “antisemitism”, the state of Israel has not been a great success. This fact neither pleases nor annoys me: it is just an observation on a tragic historical mistake.

    • HamletsGhost

      There is no solution to “anti-Semitism” for the same reason there is no solution to “racism” or any other ism defined by the cultural Marxists. It’s not a problem in search of a solution, but a simple and normal human reaction to black and Jewish behavior. These terms are demonized in order to mentally disarm whites from defending themselves.

      • David Ashton

        Without going into the “ism” issues in science, semantics or sociology, I take the point made in your last sentence, and have said much the same in previous posts.

  • David Ashton

    For a really balanced and informative understanding of the role of Jews in the Soviet revolution and western communism generally, google and get the books by Andre Gerrits (“The Myth of Jewish Communism”) and Alexander Solzhenitsyn (summarised in English by the “Barnes Review”).

    The question is: WHY this prominent role?

    Also, note the “virulent” ANTI-communism of Jews such as Oscar Levy, Eugene Lyons, David Dallin, Raymond Aron, Max Beloff, Isaac Don Levine, etc.

  • Hunter Morrow

    More than 50 comments deleted, to include the top one.

    I guess we were all supposed to complain about the Arabs, who are victimized second class citizens on their ancestral homeland?

    • Anglokraut

      Yeah, I don’t know why Amren even posts stories about Israel, considering their policy of heavy moderation. Just close the comment section on Jewish stories if you don’t want to provide a discussion forum for your readers.

    • Katherine McChesney

      They aren’t victims. And their ancestral homeland is Jordan. Quite simply they are filthy squatters on the Hebrew ancestral homeland.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Precisely!! They are scum. The Ashkenazi Jews have introduced a slice of real civilization to this corner of the world, and are re-claiming their ancient homeland. The European Jews have been to this area and Europeans were to the Americas, building a real civilization here.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      They deserve to be second class citizens. If they do not like this, they should quit embracing a backward religion that believes in treating Women as slaves, thinks violent acts such as gang-raping underage virginal girls is permissible, and wants to declare Jihad against all of Europe. These scum bags are living in the stone age, and this is why they are treated as second class citizens. Their ancestral homeland was a backward scum pit before Askenazi Jews from Europe made their desert bloom. They are no different from the Negroids in South Africa who resent the English and Dutch for bringing sanity, prosperity, and civilization to them.

  • Hunter Morrow

    Why were comments exposing judeo-bolshevism deleted? This is beyond the pale. The only race that gets this beneficial treatment on this website is the jew race. Would these people delete hispanic dropout rates or black crime statistics? Why does this site have so many TOADIES FOR JEWS on it?

    • Sick of it

      One moderator may well belong to the tribe. If not, he deserves to be made an honorary member.

      • Mike Conrad

        This is a very pro-tribe website. But other than that it’s an interesting place to get news.

        • David Ashton

          Or as they say a “tribesite” – just a joke. If more non-tribe posters could express themselves rationally instead of screaming abuse, I doubt if they would be so regularly “deleted”.

          • Mike Conrad

            I will trust what you say because I do not know differently. There sure are a lot of deletions though. A couple I wish I could have read (the pr0n connxn for example).

          • David Ashton

            I have found some of these either before deletion or on the Disqus archive, but the latter now also seems to have got rid of some of these posts also. One I remember was the description by Spartacus of a certain people as carriers of a fatal plague (to put it mildly, so this explanation itself remains here).

          • stewball

            Well you can’t believe what sparky says.

          • Svigor

            There wasn’t much to it. You can use a few web searches to find plenty of info.

          • stewball

            You don’t know differently about what?

          • Sick of it

            David, my post above will probably be gone by the end of the day. A LOT of posts disappear when you even mention the word Jew, Jewish or anything like that. It’s why we started talking about Eskimos.

          • stewball

            Laugh out loud

          • Svigor

            This is true, a lot of “ANTISEMITES!!!” should probably find something more productive to do than comment on the Web; they’re too emotional, and their understanding of the issues is too rudimentary. Their hearts are usually in the right place, but they should find a more productive outlet. Not everyone is suited to the task.

          • HamletsGhost

            My posts are not abusive, merely truthful. And they get deleted all the same.

          • David Ashton

            I am sorry. I haven’t had this problem with detailed comments on Jewish issues, but then I take an independent line. I am neither a raving judeophobe, nor a creeping sycophant of the “chosen”.

          • stewball

            You may not admit it to yourself but David look deep into how you really feel because I can read anti semitism in you comments. Read the last sentence of your comment

          • David Ashton

            I am afraid that “antisemitism” (flexibly defined) can be “detected” rightly or wrongly in lots of sentiments, statements or activities; for example, criticism of the historic credibility of the Torah, or opposition to shechita, or advocating the withdrawal of Israel to its 1967 boundaries.

            I do not regard “the Jews” as the “chosen” people, as you do, and regard Jews, and their customs or activities, as susceptible to criticism or praise as members of any other group of people, and therefore do not give them a special deference because some of them (e.g. Abe Foxman) regard themselves as “chosen”. On the other hand, any such criticism should be based on accurate information, without blind hatred or threats of persecution. I am quite prepared to give credit where it is due (no pun intended).

            Nevertheless, the whole question of “antisemitism” is a complex, though interesting and important, conflict-laded historical issue, which impacts on our present need to protect western civilization against attacks from several different quarters.

          • stewball

            Your like the civil servant whose name I have forgotten in yes minister/prime minister.

          • David Ashton

            I take that as a compliment. See this excellent actor in “The Madness of King George”. I am not gay.

          • Sick of it

            As you can see from the below, there’s no way of declaring yourself free of anti-semitism without worshiping Jews. Which is ridiculous when one considers how many Europeans are part Jewish, but people are easily manipulated.

          • David Ashton

            See my reply to “stewball” (sic) above.

          • stewball

            Why do you have to worship us.

          • David Ashton

            I don’t, but some Gentiles are afraid to incur the displeasure of some Jews – for example, the recent demand from “Lord” Sugar to boycott advertising in the London “Daily Mail” just because it noted that the Labour Party leader’s marxist father was Jewish.

            Some people mistake the Golden Calf for the Stone Tablets. This is a riddle to keep you occupied, and give you a rest from the computer keyboard.

          • Sick of it

            “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

            But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

            For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

            But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

            No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” Matthew 6:19-24

          • Sick of it

            You tell me. You just called David an anti-Semite when he’s against anti-Semites and has made that very clear. Numerous times.

          • David Ashton

            I define an anti-Semite as someone who hates or seeks to injure Jews on account of race or religion. I am not against someone who makes reasonable criticisms of Jews or even specifically Jewish activities if they might injure other people. Of course, the explanation of “antisemitism” historically is a complex matter, and how to handle various post-WW2 activities by influential Jews that encourage undesirable multiracialism in “western democracies” is also complex.

          • stewball

            The last sentence shows your true feelings David.

    • ms_anthro

      Because apparently Whites require Jewish approval and permission to protect their own interests. Naming the key perpetrators of certain crimes against us is not okay if those perpetrators happen to be members of the self-Chosen.

      • stewball

        We didn’t chose ourselves. The Lord your God did

        • ms_anthro

          We don’t worship the same God. Christ made this clear in John 8:44.

          • stewball

            Oh rubbish. Is your God on a different planet? Besides anything else Jesus was a religious Jew. Probably wore side curls and a skullcap – where do you think the idea came from for all the R.C bishops & co. His family was religious. Took him to Jerusalem for his circumcision when he was 8 days old. And why do you think he was in Jerusalem when the Romans took him? He was there for the passover and the last supper was the passover meal. Your lot took him as the messiah about 200 years after the fact. The crucifixion was nothing special just for him. That was the way the Romans did things in those days. And John was probably fibbing.

          • Mike Conrad

            Jesus was born a jew, it’s true… but he renounced judaism as thoroughly as a person can. See the Six Antitheses if you’re truly unclear on the concept. And… sorry if it sticks in your craw.

          • stewball

            None of this sticks in my craw but thanks for the apology. When did this renouncing take place. Before or after he died?

          • Sick of it

            Actually, he fulfilled the scriptures. He was/is the fulfillment of the Law. If you mean modern Talmudic Judaism, I agree 100%.

          • China_Rising

            Yep, Jews existed since the beginning of time.

            When the first neanderthal crawled off his haunches and walked on two legs, there was already someone named Goldblatt walking up to sell him life insurance

          • stewball

            How long did it take you to come upwith that!

          • China_Rising

            Funny thing is, you people support the SAME people that have caused (or help cause, at least) the mess in your country.

            The fact that 80% of Jews voted for Obama should have been an indication as to their intentions, but no, you’re still in the dark.

            The only ‘White’ people to vote for Obama, and do so in ridiculously overwhelming numbers (if a 10% difference is considered a landslide, what would a 60% difference be considered?) and you still think they are your people.

          • stewball

            We they’ve learnt their lesson haven’t they. I was stunned when he was re-elected. The worse president in America. Besides ruining other countries he’s trying to ruin his presumably his.

          • David Ashton

            Let us suppose that the Romans crucified Jesus as an historical fact. Why in your opinion did they do so?

            It seems unlikely that Christians would have taken him as a Jewish messiah for the first time 130 years after the destruction of Jerusalem.

          • Sick of it

            And then there were the Christian communities ranging from Egypt to Rome to India in the first century Anno Domini.

          • stewball

            Because he was a bloody great nuisance.

          • David Ashton

            To whom and how?

            The earliest Jewish accounts say that Jews hanged him on the eve of the Passover. The earliest Christian accounts say that the Romans crucified him at the behest of Jews.

          • stewball

            They probably did

          • stewball

            Why? Because he claimed he was the son of God? If anything it was Arc Angel Gabriel! And his mum was a virgin when she was pregnant. Sigh. Do you all believe this as much as I don’t think we were chosen by God.

          • ms_anthro

            Blah blah blah, nothing you say matters. We don’t require your permission nor your approval to protect our own identity from swindlers, grifters, and cultural parasites. You are totally irrelevant.

          • stewball

            Not according to your last post. Make up your tiny mind.

          • Sick of it

            “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

            I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

            They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

            But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

            Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

            Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

            Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

            Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

            And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

            He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

            Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

            Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.” John 8:37-51

            And, as He said, a man may not serve two masters.

          • stewball

            Who was the murderer? Abraham? Who was the second father? Our lustful dads? But it is still one God. Even Allah.
            Whats with be that do not believe in me….
            So only those people will get into heaven if it exists
            Do you believe in all this?

          • Svigor

            More deliberate trolling that should be deleted. There are plenty of Jewish and heretical “Christian” venues for this sort of alien, anti-White and anti-Christian polemic.

          • stewball

            Excuse me but I am not anti white or Christian. Maybe a little RC.

        • Svigor

          Now, that’s just blatant trolling, and should be deleted.

          • David Ashton

            The trouble is: “everyone is entitled to their own opinion” – however ill-informed, illogical, ludicrous or venomous it may be.

            What we need more of on this site are constructive contributions towards protecting and strengthening western civilization and the primary race responsible for its creation and maintenance.

          • stewball

            Adam and Eve?

          • David Ashton

            I don’t know what this comment is meant to answer. Personally I do not believe in a literal Adam and Eve in a Garden where God walked in the shade and a Reptile spoke some 6,000 years ago, but I prefer Adam and Eve to Adam and Steve.

        • Keiser

          You worship a lazy demiurge now not God, you broke your covenant with God when you denied Christ.

          • stewball

            I’m rolling my eyes. Are youa an RC!

          • Keiser

            Holy crap how did you know 🙂

          • stewball

            If you really are then you know that the RC’s think we won’t go to heaven!!! If we don’t convert! Tell me all those RC’s who killed, tortured and burned so many different people to make them convert, did they go to heaven? After all your God is a gentle God.

          • David Ashton

            As a matter of interest, the numbers actually killed by the Spanish Inquisition compare favorably with the numbers of Christians killed by communists of Jewish extraction in Russia and Hungary. If reference to the latter fact makes one “an anti-Semite” (and therefore excluded from polite company) does criticism of medieval Spanish Catholics make one “an anti-Romanite”?

          • Keiser

            If they repented their sins, genuinely and humbly asked for forgiveness, were truly sorry, then led a good life and truly acknowledged him as the highest good, which he is, then of course he forgave them. Surely you must recognise that Jesus is the Messiah that Daniel foretold. Sorry for calling your God a lazy demiurge but you are worshiping a false image now. I hope you can see the truth in the mystery of the Trinity, how we are all connected with God and redeemed through Christ but wait that would make your people not any more chosen than anyone else so I can see why you don’t like it.

          • Keiser

            Wow how did you know I was a Catholic. That’s amazing. However with regard to “RC”, we don’t use that term.

      • stewball

        More fool the whites.

    • stewball

      Your guess is as good mine. Quite honestly these comments amuse me. You all seem to have read the same books.

  • Luca

    Even the smartest people on earth (according to IQ tests) are victims of their own Liberalism. People can be simultaneously smart and blind.

    A country, any country, should expel any people living within its borders that do not share the same values, customs and morality that give that country its identity. Are you listening America?

    It is no different than having people who live in your home, even family members, who do not adhere to the house rules. Sometimes you have to kick out the lazy teenager, the crazy brother-in-law and or visitor who is stealing form you. You kick them out. As my father used to say “The door swings both ways.”

    Here in the US we have minions of useless people, simply parasites, or criminals, or those who have anti-American sentiments, they should not be kept in our house.

    We need not overthrow the government or secede or find a new homeland. We need to purge the cancer that lives among us. Deport now, and deport often.

    The same could be said for Israel. When are countries going to learn to not import third-world browns to clean their toilets and then give them citizenship?

    • Svigor

      But they aren’t blinded by their own liberalism. In Israel, they do an about-face and embrace ethnocentric policies. Because they’re the majority there, and it’s their country. And supposedly liberal Jews in America are the best friends and allies the Israelis have in the world.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Liberalism is not a Jewish plot. A lot of Episcopalians are sickeningly Liberal, as are many Irish Americans. The Kennedies are surely not Jewish, nor are Bill and Hillary Clinton. Nancy Pelosi is Italian, and most Italian Americans are pretty conservative and racial realist. If a chunk of red county America did secede successfully from the multicult, anti-White albatross run in D.C., and adopted an immigration policy of no third world immigration, White Libtards, Jewish or Gentile, would be moving out, not moving in.

        • Svigor

          Episcopalians are not as reliably liberal and pro-western-destruction as Jews, who vote 75-80% Democrat. Granted, the Irish can be disturbingly liberal/leftist, but even they don’t begin to approach Jews. Irish split pretty evenly between Democrat and Republican.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Muslim FILTH.

    • David Ashton

      This is not a contribution to discussion, though if you had put the adjective of a different religion it would have been deleted. I deprecate posts that urge the “extermination” of “vermin” whether applied to Arabs, Jews, Blacks or any other collective of human beings. They do NOT advance the cause of the survival of white people, whether Christian or not.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        What is wrong with the extermination of vermin?? If Germany had just exterminated the parasitical usurious bankers and crooked businessmen in WWII, not only would the lives of Millions of innocent Jews have been saved, but the lives of millions of Poles, German, Russians, etc. Maybe Jewish Americans also would not have exhibited such munificence towards Blacks during the Civil Rights Era, and the North would have allowed the South to maintain segregation, and the huge influx of Blacks into the North would have been halted. I am all for exterminating vermin, so that the lives of decent people can be saved.

        • David Ashton

          I am in favor of capital punishment for calculated murder after due process, and reparation through forced labor for other offences.

          The problem with Hitler and other leading Nazis was the mistaken conviction that Jews as a whole were criminals or parasites not only by culture but also by nature, and that many Slav peoples were inferior to Germans. The primary documentation of this is indisputable, and quite separate from any questions about the credibility of “gas-chamber survivor” stories. So instead of being the valiant champion of the white race, as a now deleted post implied, he became effectively its worst enemy, first by needless bloodshed and then by posthumous paralysis of our post-war self-defense.

          The chief nest of “usurious bankers” and “crooked businessmen”, not only Jews, in WW2 was in the USA, and still more so today.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I have immensely enjoyed all of your posts. We need not only more folks here on AmRen as sensible as you, but more folks as sensible as you in general. Hitler was indeed the worst enemy the White race has ever had. He was responsible not just for the deaths of millions of innocent European Ashkenazim, but the deaths of millions of Gentile Europeans as well, many of them fitting his definition of “Aryan”. I was reading that roughly 4 million Gentile Poles died during the war. His fixation on the inferiority of Slavic Europeans to Teutonic Europeans made him, in my mind, a race traitor par excellence. Slavic Europe is the core of Europe, and Hitler even had a lot of support in Slavic Europe, due to the hatred of Jews over Usury.
            As if his disgusting anti-White and anti-European hatred of the Slavic nations wasn’t enough, he was also revered by the Arab Muslim slime, and did nothing to help America with our Negro problem.

          • David Ashton

            My own view of Hitler’s personality and ideology is more nuanced. A really thorough, dispassionate biography has yet to be written, though Werner Maser (1973) and Richard Weikart (2011) came fairly close in contribution.

            I do not regard the Arabs as “slime” any more than the Ostjuden of pre-WW2 Europe. Both hateful words as well as actions are among the mistakes we must learn from the past, and what matters is how the defend our collective future from the moral and rational high ground. Thank you for your compliments.

          • Martel

            Survival matters, anything else is dessert.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            When I say slime, though, I am not advocating unprovoked violence against Muslims, or denying that some Muslims are decent people. I say slime because the Muslim religion breeds backward and abhorrent societies. I am being blunt spoken, yes, and that is my intention. We need to get back to speaking the truth on race and culture issues, so that we can halt the cultural dispossession within our own lands of our kin. I applaud Israelis for exercising some good Jewish chutzpah, and standing up against their dispossession by the Muslims.

          • David Ashton

            Clarification welcome. The huge downsides of Islam decisively outweigh any positive features in the package.

  • Sick of it

    You do realize we are attacked by blacks and hispanics every single day in this country, right? We suffer more deaths at their hands every year than have died in like the past 30 years in Israel. So yeah, it’s easy to complain from the middle of an armed and well defended compound…compared to the gigantic undefended ghetto which is modern America.

    • PesachPatriot

      I live in america too…my sympathies are entirely with you guys…not the 13% or the illegal invaders…

      • Svigor

        In turn, my sympathy is with Jews like you, who usually wind up suffering with the rest when the backlash happens.

  • stewball

    What about white people putting their interests ahead of your interests. I’d say like Obama but of course he’s not white. Maybe not Christian. Maybe not even American and he’s certainly putting his interests ahead of your country. Depose him. Depose him

    • David Ashton

      He could probably be impeached.

      • stewball

        Wish he would be

    • Mike Conrad

      Here, your rant needs a photo to go with it.

  • Sick of it

    You’re actually proving our point, believe it or not. White liberals are selling our country out to foreign interests. White liberals want the American populace fundamentally transformed via unending immigration from third world countries. White liberals are fond of big government oppressing the people. White liberals praise mass murderers like Chairman Mao and Che Guevara.

  • Svigor

    Not true. There is a profound difference at the core of their identities. If you do a web search for “Jews are not white” you’ll find my blog entry where I explain my position.

    Short version: Jews are ethnocentric, white “gentiles” liberals are anti-ethnocentric.

  • Svigor

    Look folks. To the Jews, the Palestinians are akin to OUR black problem.

    So, shouldn’t we complete the symmetry, by doing everything we can to return the favor and exacerbate THEIR black problem?

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      We could send the Groids back to Africa, and the Isrealis could send the Jihadists over to Africa to duke it out with them. Let ’em all kill each other.

  • Hunter Morrow

    This Comment Was Deleted Because It Said The Truth About Jews

    • DisasterArea

      To counter it say something about the muslims trying to take over the world then follow up with a suggestion to bomb them all in a nuclear armageddon.

      You’ll find your comments recommended and unmoderated.

      You may even get promoted to moderator.

  • Svigor

    If they want to enact laws which we ourselves would enact if we could, regarding our respective problems, why not?

    The same reason you don’t let your enemy sit down to a nice dinner with his family, when he has prevented you from doing the same with yours. You ruin his dinner in the hopes he’ll get the message and stop ruining yours.

    In a word: reciprocity. Let Jews tell you how to act: ask them if they’ll let white “gentiles” have for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. Their answer will tell you how to proceed. Better yet, just examine their collective behavior, and it will tell you how to proceed.

    And please, let’s not hear they Jews stole that land from the Palestinians. MOST of that land was BOUGHT from Palestinians or Arabs who held the land.

    So what? Most of the land the USA got was BOUGHT from the Amerinds. That doesn’t stop Jews from taking the Amerinds’ side (then switching and taking the colonists’ side when it comes to their Fatherland in Israel).

    We should too.

    Guess who’s the number 1 obstacle to us getting your policies implemented? That’s right: Jewry.

  • Kenner

    Thanks, but I’ll stick to NatGeoWild and Turner Classic Movies.

  • stewball

    Yay for the Eskimos.

  • stewball

    Don’t play dumb.

    • Sick of it

      So…a lot of Jews have guilt about the German in their blood? Or the Germans about their Jewish blood?

    • Defoe

      I don’t validate collective guilt. Guilt is felt by someone, with a conscience, who regrets something he or she did that is “wrong”. That’s an individual reaction.

      This idea that the German people should feel “guilty” about anything that may have happened in the past is utterly ludicrous despite the efforts in certain quarters.

      That kind of thinking is comparable to blacks demanding reparations from us for the slavery of the past. Utterly ludicrous!!!

      Shame on you.

      • Svigor

        I have mixed opinions about collective guilt. Yes, the individualistic/libertarian approach has merit. I won’t go into that because it’s a pretty popular opinion and well-established.

        On the other hand, collective guilt has merit. Yes, groups benefit as groups from the behavior of individual members. And yes, they benefit from the cover that the libertarian approach provides.

        Take an example of a tribe which thinks and acts as a tribe, but sends only 10% of its warriors out to pillage and loot other tribes at any given time. That 10% brings back the stolen loot and distributes it to the tribe. The tribe’s whole economy is inextricably tied to that loot. It ends up in everyone’s tent.

        So, along come the authorities to get compensation for the stolen loot. Who’s guilty? Well, the whole tribe, really. Is it really accurate to say that only 10% are guilty? And if that excuse is accepted, isn’t it the “gosh, only a minority of our group loots and steals” practically a license for the tribe to loot and steal at will?

        Are the 90% who remain in camp really innocent? Or are they a tribe guilty of receiving stolen goods, a tribe of fences and money launderers?

      • stewball

        No shame on me. I didn’t say that. I was talking exclusively about John who has kept very quiet for some time.

  • stewball

    Don’t forget the Eskimos.

  • stewball

    Do you feel big and stwong walking around with a big gun in your trousers?

    • Sick of it

      It’s better than getting stabbed without protection. Or having one’s head sawn off with a knife, as happened in Britain.

  • stewball

    Don’t be so stupid.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    And the one who get the most children are the orthodox, they are often unemployed and don’t care about the education of their kids.

    The Orthodox are also exempt from military service which is causing and will cause huge problems in the future. Recently, they were protesting against Israeli demands for their military service — in NEW YORK.

  • Sick of it

    And those ugly little apartments could house an entire extended family. Not what we should want here.

  • Sick of it

    No matter what you say, you will be labeled a hater. No matter what you believe either. That’s how the game is played.

    • Svigor

      It’s better to be falsely labeled a genocidaire, than to be accurately labeled one. Many people can see the truth or falsity of an accusation.

      • Sick of it

        I wish many could see the truth or the lie behind an accusation, but modern American behavior proves otherwise. I’m against genocide, but somehow I’d still be considered anaziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews for questioning anything our masters say. And yes, that’s despite my critiques of Adolph Hitler (who really screwed over the German people).

  • Sick of it

    Son of Abraham, what do you think about Jesus Christ as the prophesied Messiah?

  • Sick of it

    Every word of the Word is true. All of it. The promises were fulfilled with the coming of Christ and God’s work will be completed upon His return. Please read it with an open heart. We see miracles so often in our lives and dismiss them because hateful people told us it’s baseless superstition. Resurrection of the dead has occurred and will occur again.

  • Kenner

    Whether you are ‘pro-Arab’ or ‘pro-Israeli’, remember, in this case, the enemy of our enemy will NEVER be our friend.

  • Svigor

    Yes, it would be awful to have our population 80% white again, to have an all-white immigration policy, to have a population that is overwhelmingly pro-white, where politics are overwhelmingly pro-white, etc. Please not the briar patch…

    • PesachPatriot

      You missed the point I was getting at….Israel was founded in a very rough neighborhood during a very turbulent period of history…hostile enemies with billions of dollars in oil wealth surround it and a decent amount live inside its borders….in a hypothetical future when a Palestinian state were to come into existence there would be a completely judenfrei arab state directly adjacent to a mixed arab/jewish israel….If you ever manage to create a white ethnostate somewhere on the north american continent don’t make Israel’s mistakes with too small a geographical space surrounded by foes….

      • Svigor

        No, I got your point: it wasn’t under ideal circumstances. My point was that I’d trade places with you guys in a heartbeat.

  • Svigor

    I’ve heard of the JPFO. I haven’t seen any polls on how American Jews regard the JPFO, though. What I do know is that American Jewry forms the vanguard and constitutes the brainpower of the movement to destroy the 2nd and Americans’ right to self-defense, and that Jews are overwhelmingly anti-gun and anti-self-defense. And that the JPFO was formed because of the monolithically anti-gun position of American Jewry.

    • PesachPatriot

      I’m not an official jewish spokesperson or anything but I have a pretty high regard for the JPFO….this is another one of those things where jews basically follow the trending opinion amongst their neighbors….sure in the northeast like NYC you are correct, but I have seen plenty of guys with beards and yarmulkes at gun shows here in florida….we may politely agree to disagree on other issues but the 1st and 2nd are non-negotiable in my book….they were made one and two for very good reasons….

      Also, no matter what the feinsteins and debbie wasserman schultzes say the 2nd isn’t going anywhere any time soon….it would be well nigh impossible to get the already illegal handguns out of detroit, chicago, nyc, dc, philly, atlanta, miami and new orleans without a stack of bodies a mile high….no one in their right minds wants to go door to door attempting a disarmament operation in the rural areas of pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, georgia, texas, louisiana, arkansas, missouri, alabama or florida….

      • Svigor

        True, I think the gun-grabbers are losing the fight, for now. But long-term, I think the momentum is in their favor. They have the mass media brainwashing apparatus firmly in hand.

  • PesachPatriot

    Almost no one in Israel wants to establish biblical borders at this point in history because it would either put millions of arabs under occupation or give them the vote….the border security fence along the 1967 green line is pretty much a de facto border between Israel and a future Palestinian state anyway….most people in Israel are ok with relinquishing the west bank for a real and lasting peace but not in exchange for more trouble like they got after the gaza evacuation…

  • Svigor

    True, it’s long passed, but you’ve got to admit, it’s grating that there’s no help from Jews in academia on the conquest of America, even as they practically do the same thing in Palestine, and even defend their actions using the same rhetoric that was used in the conquest of America.

    Michael Savage, though not an academic obviously, is a great example. He’ll wax sympathetic for the Indians in one breath, and then champion Israel the next, sounding very much the advocate of kosher manifest destiny.

    You’d think that Jews would at least revise their position on the conquest of America in light of their position on the events in Israel since 1948, but noooo…

    • PesachPatriot

      Maybe if I had applied myself a bit more in school I could be teaching a college history class justifying the conquest of the west….if science ever invents a time machine perhaps a modern day amerindian can travel back to the late 1860’s or 1870’s and tell his compatriots “hey guys, quit fighting the white man and this iron horse thing he’s building…he’ll make our lives better with food and medicine and casinos and he’ll put us on his money”

      I think the reason so many jews in america sympathize with the indians is because we have been on the losing end of things many times, so its easier to identify with that than with the victorious US army….I recall reading once that the US army actually purchased camels from the ottomans to chase the navajo and apache around modern day arizona and nevada because the horses kept dying of dehydration in the desert sun…

  • DisasterArea

    No nothing has changed bar the choice of weapon, the enemy is exactly the same.

  • stewball

    Tell me. How many spies have been put into prison for life and in solitary confinement?HrHe’s a sick man. Your president claims not to know the whole story! And if he wants parole he should fill in the necessary forms! He’s got them on his desk….but…. he expects us to release prisoners with blood on their hands just to appease abbas and the Palestinians and the rest of the world just so the peace process will work which it won’t as everyone knows and we will be blamed because we are so bloody stupid that we don’t do what abbas does. Going from country to country whining about this that and the other.

  • David Ashton

    Anyone who reads the books on communist espionage and subversion by thorough researchers themselves of Jewish heritage, like Harvey Klehr, David Dallin, Allen Weinstein, Herbert Romerstein, or my half-Jewish friend Nathaniel Weyl, among others, can count the numbers of Jewish names. However, these traitors had, I suppose, some “excuse” in feeling personally threatened by antisemitism and mistakenly investing their support in the Russian “utopia”, but the non-Jewish traitors, like Philby or the homosexual clique in Britain, had no such excuse, and should have known better.

    • Sick of it

      That’s not really accurate when one considers the violent criminals who plotted against the Czars for, what, about a hundred years before the October Revolution. violent criminals beget violent criminals with yet more hateful intentions. These were not innocent, oppressed people. Lenin is a perfect example really. His dad had a nice cushy job in the government (while Russian peasants were treated like garbage) but Lenin and his brother still wanted to kill the Czar. Wonderful lot of people.

      Threatened by American anti-Semitism? What a farce. We have had several Jewish Presidents…we’ve had Jews on the Supreme Court…we’ve had Jews in Congress and all of this did not start as recently as the 1930s.

      • David Ashton

        Let me clarify. I didn’t mean “threatened by American anti-Semitism” so much as by European anti-Semitism as explicitly espoused by the Nazis and their allies, which Jews as an international community saw as an international threat, though with US offshoots in, for example, the KKK whose membership ran into millions in the 1920s and then the AV which HUAC (incorrectly) claimed had nearly half a million supporters in 1930s.

        Some Jews in the Russian Empire were oppressed, and others quite successful. The diffiiculties they presented for the Imperial Government and the restrictions that affected many of them are well documented, and known to all sides in any scholarly debate.

        Further to the references (Gerrits, Fahey) I gave elsewhere to Mr Engelman, I wish to add a few figures here on the role of – mostly non-observant – Jews in rebellion against Czarism and in world communism generally.

        1. “Statistics showed that the majority of the Menshevik faction consists of Jews….The overwhelming majority of the Bolshevik faction consists of Russians, after which come the Jews….” (Stalin’s report on the 1907 London Social Democrat Congress, “Collected Works”, vol.2, Russian Ed., pp.50-1.)
        2. “Leaders who provide the central machinery of the Bolshevist movement not less than 75 per cent are Jews…while among the minor Soviet officials the number is legion.” (The Times, March 29, 1919.)
        3. Until 1938 Jews were second only to Russians among the leading officials of the Soviet secret police (N. V. Petrov & K. V. Skorkin, “Kto rukovodil NKVD 1934-1941″ [1999]).
        4.”The soon notorious communist dictator of Hungary, Bela Kun, and all the commissars of the short-lived soviet republic were Jews” (Albert S Lindemann, “Esau’s Tears” [1997] p.410.)
        5.”Communism was the most dynamic force in left-wing American politics…. CP[USA] historians estimate, moreover, that almost half the party’s membership was Jewish in the 1930s and 1940s…and for each who was a ‘card-carrying communist, there were several who took part in party-led mass organizations but did not belong to the party itself.” (Priscilla Murolo, “Jewish Women’s Archive”, on-line.)
        6.”Throughout the era of Communism, Jews were both influential and disproportionately represented in Communist parties. The Communist Party of Great Britain was no exception…. By the early 1950s, between 7 and 10 per cent of…activists were Jewish…. [and] played a prominent role in all areas…. [T]he party received substantial funding during the 1940s from…a secret body composed entirely of wealthy Jewish businessmen.” (Jason l. Hepell, in Jonathan Frankel (ed), “Dark Times, Dark Decisions: Jews and Communism” [2004].)

        The evaluation of such data is another matter.

        • Sick of it

          I actually did not know Bela Kun was Jewish. Thought he was a nutjob Communist, but local. Great stuff. History should not be buried because it’s politically incorrect.

  • Elsewhere in this thread, I’m reading discussion about American Jewish political involvement in both the immigration and 2nd Amendment questions.

    It’s true that they punch above their weight in both issues, though even if we could factor them out, there will still be powerful political forces on the wrong side of both issues.

    But that’s not my point.

    Ask yourself this:

    Why is the other side much further along on immigration treachery than they are on dismantling the 2nd Amendment? Those of you who I think are too obsessed with Jews for your own good will freely admit what I just did above, that they’re disproportionately invovled in both open borders and gun control. So why isn’t the “tribe” more successful on gun control?

    This is a rhetorical question. And by “rhetorical,” I mean “loaded.”

  • Actually, in terms of money, Bloomberg + Soros is way more than the NRA. Trial lawyers gave more money to one sitting Senator who was running for re-election in 2012 and was pretty much a sure bet to win (Kirsten Gillibrand, New York) than the NRA gave directly to all political candidates last year combined.

    You’re on the right track when you say NRA, but the right answer is more fundamental than that.

    Try again.

  • Yes you’re warmer than your first try, but you need to get a lot hotter. (That’s NOT a double entendre).

    I’ll give you a hint: The right explanation is a sociological one.

    • PesachPatriot

      I suppose the sociological explanation is fear of a 2008 economic collapse leading to chaos, disorder and social breakdown….the doomsday preppers answer…Its also fear of the presidents sons and the general crime they commit with full bellies in the semi functioning society we have right now….

  • PesachPatriot

    I had some trouble getting to the first article but the second one was pretty interesting….I’m surprised mr. hood didn’t post it here…americans will put up with a lot, but not disarmament….I assume you have seen the image going around the web of a bunch of colonists in tri-corner hats locking and loading AR-15’s with the words “an attempt by the british to seize arms from the american colonists in 1775 led to the american revolution….congress please take a hint”

    There are all kinds of big talkers online(especially on a site run by mr. alex jones), but very few want to pledge lives, fortunes and their material goodies right now while there is still some time to do things through political means

    • Forbes articles sometimes frustrate you with full screen ads, so keep trying.

      I’ll end this wild goose chase now with the right answer:

      However much you think that “tribe” is behind both open borders and gun control, you have to admit that they’re far less successful in the latter than the former.

      Why?

      On most issues, the American right (and by that, I mean the right to the right of your typical lamestream conservatism) is divided into lots of little different pieces and tiny little fiefdoms to benefit the egos and wallets of their leaders, trying to combat a left wing that marches like ants and marches with military precision, and keeps the egos of its individual members, foot soldiers, leaders and its internecine squabbles in check. And this is why the left wins more often than not.

      The only issue where this isn’t true is on 2A…flip the script from what I said above, which is one of the things you’ll read in that Forbes article.

      Then combine that with what you read in the Gregory Hood article, that for some bizarre reason, 2A is the only issue that we’ll behave in this fashion, all the other issues, most of them more important, we don’t engage in that winning sort of sociological-political organization.

      The long and short of it is that “tribe” hasn’t won on 2A like it has won on most issues because we’re organized on 2A but hardly anything else.

  • Svigor

    If your claim can’t be proven, you probably shouldn’t have made it.

    • JohnEngelman

      You prove your assertion that Jews on the average are morally inferior to white Gentiles. Don’t make vague assertions that “the tribe” hates whites and destroys white civilization. I want statistics garnered by credible organizations.

      If you can’t do that, take your resentment for Jewish superiority and your ugly avatar somewhere else.

  • Svigor

    Obviously I’m not advocating calling children guilty of the crimes of their parents. But what happens when they grow up? When they inherit the house daddy built with his stolen lucre? Is that not receiving stolen goods, a crime?

  • Svigor

    Why would you guys remove a perfectly scientific and rigorous response to Pesach’s points, yet not Pesach’s points? If you don’t want the issue discussed, you should probably delete the entire discussion, no?

    For a hard-data response to PP’s statement that “If every last jew left america tomorrow nothing much would really change,” Google for two articles at a blog site, URL of which have the initials “MR.” Sorry for the cryptic clues, but apparently linking to some intellectually-oriented pro-white sites isn’t allowed.

    By Their Deeds Ye Shall Know Them!
    Jewish vs. Euro-American Voting Patterns

    If memory serves, both articles were authored by Geoff Beck. You might want to throw a couple of keywords like “Jew” and/or “politician” into your search. The articles make for very interesting reading.

  • Svigor

    I’d be okay with criminal infiltrators being as much an issue in America as it is in Israel, and dealt with similarly.

    As for Buffet and Walton: white “gentiles” aren’t lily-white on the issue of demographic suicide, of course, but two points:

    1) they’re not nearly as close to monolithically bad as Jews on the issue.
    2) they’re my people. I have to deal with them, try to reform them. Jews are not.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    We should close the Mexican border entirely. The Isrealis are at least taking a stand against their dispossession by the Arabs that want to commit Jihad against them. These Arabs are the same ones who are destroying cities in Europe, gang-raping pre-pubescent European girls in towns that were once crime free, and exhibiting total disrespect for European style civilization. We need to do the same as the Jewish people in Israel along our Mexican border, and say no to the darkies, in our case, hordes of Mestizos who are making our American Southwest into a third world style cess pool.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    I agree totally. These narrow minded idiots who think Liberalism is a Jewish plot are another element destroying White Unity, and White Nationalism. Muslims are scum, and the Jewish Israelis have every right to stand up against their dispossession by these third world, violence worshiping Muslims. The Muslims hate everything European and Western, and want to destroy our entire culture. American Jews had too much compassion for the Negroes years ago, when they started moving into Northern cities, but they soon discovered that such compassion was a waste of time. Conservative, racial realist Jews know that the culture in which Jewish culture will survive is the European culture, and that the Negroes, Muslims, and Hispanics are their enemies. Jews are Caucasian, and the Yiddish culture is European. Jews had to abandon their neighborhoods when the Bantus started moving in the same as Poles and Italians, and many found out that trusting Blacks, and defending them to European Americans was just stupid.
    Jared Taylor’s eschewing of anti-Semitism makes American Renaissance the best thing that ever happened to White Nationalism. As far as the Jewish question, all we need to do is to apply the same sensible criterion we would to anyone of White European extraction, and not listen to Libtards. If a Jewish person is racial realist, pro-European culture, and wants to live in, and maintain, an all White society, not trusting them is just stupid. There is a great Yiddish culture that can and should be preserved, right along with European culture.

    • Svigor

      These narrow minded idiots who think Liberalism is a Jewish plot are another element destroying White Unity, and White Nationalism.

      Jews are the vanguard of the movement to destroy White Nationalism. The brain trust of liberalism. See, that’s how WNs talk. “Idiots who think Liberalism is a Jewish plot” is how our enemies talk.

      Muslims are scum,

      No Muslim ever called me Nazi.

      and the Jewish Israelis have every right to stand up against their dispossession by these third world, violence worshiping Muslims.

      They sure do. And I have every right to give them a wedgie over it until their best friends, American Jewry, stop forming the vanguard and brain trust against ethnopatriotic sentiment among white “gentiles.”

      The Muslims hate everything European and Western, and want to destroy our entire culture.

      One could say the same thing about Jews. They’ve certainly been more successful in achieving that goal than Muslims have.

      American Jews had too much compassion for the Negroes years ago, when they started moving into Northern cities, but they soon discovered that such compassion was a waste of time.

      It wasn’t compassion. And they haven’t abandoned their alliance with blacks. Nobody gives blacks more cultural covering fire than Jews.

      Conservative, racial realist Jews know that the culture in which Jewish culture will survive is the European culture, and that the Negroes, Muslims, and Hispanics are their enemies.

      I’m sure some of them do, but they’re a vanishingly small minority among Jews. They’re far outnumbered by the Jews chipping away at western civilization via open borders advocacy, multiculturalism, Frankfurt School advocacy, etc.

      Jews are Caucasian, and the Yiddish culture is European.

      Yeah, but culturally Jews really aren’t white. They’re the “other.” Jews always opt out of whiteness when it suits them, which kind of belies their whiteness.

      If a Jewish person is racial realist, pro-European culture, and wants to live in, and maintain, an all White society, not trusting them is just stupid.

      I don’t think it’s ever stupid to mistrust Jews. Their long history of crypsis makes that obvious. Even Reagan knew to trust, but verify.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        If you want to grade my paper, so to speak, as far as how I write, no big deal, but this does not mean that I am not a racial realist. The number one problem group in America has always been Negroes. Their entire culture worships sociopathic deviance and random violence. Every time we try to steer them towards adopting our moral standards, they scream about racism instead of taking a good look in the mirror at themselves. You don’t see Jewish people carrying on like this.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Exactly. The Jewish people are the civilized ones in this scenario, coping with wild eyed, violence loving Muslims. At least Jewish Isrealis are taking action to halt their dispossession by the Muslim Hordes. The French, English, and Germans need to do the same, and stop all Muslim immigration into their countries.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Nazism was the worst thing that ever happened to White Unity. Nazism caused German soldiers to kill millions of innocent Poles and European Jews, and catalyzed a lasting resentment against Germany in England and the United States. Thanks to Nazism, millions of German Americans, such as myself, have been stereotyped as the descendants of violent Jew murderers, and we are still the butt of many a cruel joke about this. If the Nazis had rounded up just the Jews involved in crooked business/banking/usury, and exterminated them, instead of targeting millions of peaceful shtetl residents, something good could have been accomplished. The Yiddish culture is a great culture, and most Jewish people are, and have always been, decent people. It was the crooked, usurious, shady businessmen and bankers amongst the Jews that were bad people, and who deserved the hatred of Christian Europe, not the entire European Jewish community. What is not constructive is Stormfronters obsessing over Liberalism ostensibly being a Jewish plot, when they need to be focusing on who most White Liberals actually are, and holding Negroes, Hispanics, and Muslims responsible for their degeneracy and violence, not trying to re-direct blame to Jewish Liberals.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Protecting our race doesn’t entail hating the other races, that is true, but it does entail recognizing that the Negro race is inferior to our Caucasian race. It also entails abhorring their degeneracy, sociopathy, and animalistic blood lust, and not wasting precious energy blaming their behavior on Jews. Blacks are anti-Semitic, and hate Jews the same as they hate all of us Caucasians. Any excuse for violence, and getting a free handout instead of working an honest day’s work is their method of operation. Ditto for Hispanics and Muslims.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Yes!!! I agree totally and completely. You see the big picture, and the reality. Jewish communities in the United States that are almost entirely Jewish are especially safe and clean. Anyone who has enjoyed the awesome sounds of Klezmer music, eaten the excellent food at an authentic Jewish deli, and pondered the insight of Sigmund Freud realizes that Jewish culture is an important part of our pan-European milieu. It is the non-Whites, and their alien cultures that do not belong in our lands, and do not fit in with our European cultural milieu.

    • Svigor

      Freud was an anti-“gentile” fraud. A racist, chauvinist quack, to be honest.

      As for the non-whites, no one has done as much to bring them into our midst as the Jews.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        If you truly believe this about Freud, I highly recommend that you read more about this great man. He was one of the greatest minds who ever lived. Without even doing Psychological research, he hit upon the basic realities of our Psyche. In this day and age, I believe that Mr. Freud would be a racial realist par excellence, highly philo European, and would bristle at current media/political efforts to repress White racial consciousness and pride. Had he lived in America, and been exposed to the Negro, I suspect that Mr. Freud would have been a staunch segregationist. I’ll bet that he would have written with supreme eloquence and insight about the White psyche vs. the Negro psyche, and racial differences in temperament and behavior, eloquently elucidating, for all of us, the basic truths of these inherent differences.

  • Svigor

    Why would I prove an assertion made by your straw man? And why has this comment appeared in the wrong place?

    • JohnEngelman

      Because if you don’t, your argument fails.

      I have documented that Jews tend to be more intelligent and more prosperous. If you cannot document that that they tend to be less moral, you acknowledge that your hostility to them is based on the politics of envy.

      • Svigor

        That makes no sense.

        • JohnEngelman

          Hatred of Jews is based on the politics of envy. Inferior people resent Jews because of their superiority and the prosperity it owns them.

          • Svigor

            Right. If you get kicked out of every bar in town, it’s not you, it’s every bar in town.

          • JohnEngelman

            Fortunately, Jews have not been “kicked out of ” the United States. They perform well here and make good incomes because they are biologically superior.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    A very apt comparison!! These Arabs should be grateful to be in Isreal, just as the Negroes in America should be grateful to be here.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    I wonder that too. There are a lot more logical reasons in America to hate China and the Orientals than to hate Jews. We don’t regularly find cheap, second-rate junk at Dollar General that was made in Israel. I’ll take a good meal at a real Jewish Deli, with Knishes, Latkes with Corned Beef, and a Strudel for dessert over Sushi in a heartbeat!! Asians are generally hard workers and non-violent, but they can keep their bland music, tasteless food and conformist mentality in their home countries, as far as I’m concerned. The Chinese fancy themselves as taking over the world these days.

    • stewball

      You don’t like Eskimo sushi? Wasabi is like my bobba’s חריין.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Oy. Fried Schmeckle, LOL!!!

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Indeed. Germany has taken way too much individual heat for WWII. Sentiment against Jewish domination of banking/business was an issue all through Slavic Europe. Hitler, though, was a supreme villain for trying to get folks to blame all Jews for this. There was a contingent involved in the shady banking/business dealings that needed to be targeted and put to death. Millions of peaceful and innocent dirt poor shtetl dwellers did not need to die to address this issue.

    • stewball

      What about the dirty dealings in the Vatican bank? Is that the Jews as well! Snigger. Nah. It’s the frightfully religious honest
      Pedofiling RC’s just by way of a change.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Good point. Plenty of Jews have been involved in slippery banking over the years, but they are not the only White ethnic group that has had a contingent that has gotten tragically involved in this greed worship. Greed is one of the seven deadly sins, and no culture on this earth has remained above reproach on this. The New England Yankee culture here in America has spawned quite a few greedy, slippery business people, and has acquired the ire and disdain of more than a few Southerners for this.
        I would never wish for a minute, though, that the South had had a Hitler type madman at the helm instead of good old Jefferson Davis, a madman who might have went on a genocide campaign against every last New England farmer. Most New England farmers were not greedy jerks looking for a way to make money without regarding how this would affect others. These men were a select few, same as the crooked Jewish bankers of Germany who owned all of the banks in Germany save for one. Just as average New England farmer was not at fault for the greed of a few of their kin, the average Jewish shtetl dweller on the eve of WWII was not at fault for the greed of a few of their kin. It was a different ball of wax from the Black community, where most Blacks actually feel it was okay for Trayvon Martin to beat Zimmerman to within an inch of his life, and that verbal provocation actually justified acting this way. Jews as a Caucasian ethno-religious sub-group are, by and large, good and decent people, but there are a few greed motivated monsters amongst them. The overall Jewish culture is not uncouth or morally bereft, as is the Black culture.

  • Northern American-Nationalist

    God bless Israel. They and Japan provide me with real-world examples to show very practical nationalist visions for a modern society, which I argue makes a modern nation an actual nation as opposed to just a market like US.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Exactly. The Jewish Zionist example should be studied by White Nationalists, with the good moves and mistakes being objectively considered. A society dominated by Blacks, Hispanics, or Islamists will treat Whites far worse than our forebears treated European Ashkenazim in the 19’th century. European American Zionism is what we need here in North America. If we act now, we won’t have to carve out an enclave for ourselves surrounded by enemies as European Jews did in Israel. We have wide land and demographics on our side, as well as hearts and minds in red county rural America.

      • Northern American-Nationalist

        I couldn’t agree more friend.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    Contemporary mainstream psychology is a mess and a sham, because it is dominated by Left Wing Libtards, and egg heads who think that every theory must be validated by a scientific experiment. I don’t object to scientific rigor, and validating our theories through scientific experimentation, but I also find it tragic that modern Psychology has brushed the wisdom of Freud aside due to this.
    Modern psychology is stuck in an all behaviors result from nurture rut, because this is what the Left Wing politicians want to hear. Psychologists, of all people, should be racial realists par excellence, and should be staunch segregationists. Anyone who spends much time around Blacks can see that most of their pathological behavior results from inborn tendencies, and can draw the sensible and clear conclusion that the Negro race is clearly an inferior race. Yet, most modern psychologists, who could and should be spearheading a movement back to racial realism amongst Whites, are encouraging the opposite. Many of these folks regularly say highly myopic things, such as encouraging mental health clients that no race is more pre-disposed to certain behaviors than another race. Modern psychology, when it encourages such dangerous and stupid ideas, is nothing but a mouthpiece for the liberal propaganda machine.
    Going back to Freud, one does not need to do an experiment to be a candid and keen observer of people. Freud was definitely this. Had he lived in America, my belief is that he would have taken a keen interest in the Negro problem in the South, and would have been a staunch segregationist, and done what he could to encourage resettlement of Negroes in Africa. Seeing that Negroes have a different temperament than Whites is what one sees through keen and candid observation unencumbered by dictates to not see fault in non-Whites. Had Freud lived in America in place of Europe, during the same time period in which he lived, there is no doubt in mind that he would have had things to say about Negro psychology and behavior that would have positively re-shaped that course of American history.

  • stewball

    95% of Jewish mayors in Israel are crooks.

  • stewball

    But whose idea was it. Who thought up the final solution. Imagine if he’d kept his mind off these things he may have won the war.