Berkeley Schools Focus on Black Student Discipline Issue

Doug Oakley, Mercury News, October 22, 2013

Too many African-American students are being suspended from the city’s schools here, prompting an accelerated effort to retrain teachers in recognizing cultural differences between mostly white teachers and their black students.

The problem is the same in Oakland schools, where administrators and teachers are frantically trying to reduce suspension numbers as part of a voluntary agreement in response to a complaint by the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights.

“Looking at the data, my emotions border on anger,” said Berkeley school board President Karen Hemphill, who is the only African-American on the board. “You don’t have to be black to teach black kids. It goes back to having adults who can relate to you, maybe having been where you’ve been. We really need to accelerate what we are doing in our equity work.”

Berkeley is in its third year of conducting “cultural competency academies” for teachers in order to close the achievement gap, which includes reducing suspensions, but that hasn’t helped bring suspension numbers down much. The school district, in a partnership with the city of Berkeley and UC Berkeley called the Berkeley Alliance, has completed training of about 250 teachers so far and will train another 100 to 150 this year. Other efforts to reduce suspensions include bringing restorative justice programs to all three middle schools, training in “positive behavior and intervention systems” and mentoring and case management of targeted students.

Last year in Berkeley, 60 percent of all the suspensions given were of black students, even though they make up just 20 percent of the student population. That number has stayed the same over the last three years. Seen through another lens, 10 percent of all the black students were suspended last year, down from 14 percent in 2010.

In Oakland, 11 percent of all black students were suspended last year, down from 17 percent in 2010.

Pamela Harrison-Small, executive director of the Berkeley Alliance, said part of the problem between Berkeley’s white teachers and its black students is the issue of “talking back.”

“That’s one of the major things,” Harrison-Small said. “Inside your culture, maybe you’ve been taught to have conversations about things, but when a student tries to have a conversation a teacher may see that as talking back and see it as a deviant behavior as opposed to a communication style.”

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Hiring more teachers of color is important too, Hemphill said. Currently, 67 percent of Berkeley’s teachers are white, 8 percent are Hispanic, 8 percent are Asian and 7 percent are African-American.

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  • The assumption peddled here is that every black suspendee is suspended for talking back. In reality, it’s probably more like serious physical violence, dope dealing, weapons.

    • Oil Can Harry

      And in many cases the “talking back” consisted of racial slurs and threats of physical violence against the teacher.

      • Erasmus

        To play off Rudy Giulani the schools should use the broken window policy. Address misbehavior at a young age. Stop letting Kyreesha, Shitavious and Shaneeqwa get. away with talking back and acting like little thugs at a young age. By the time they get to Hi’ Skoo’ , hopefully, they’ll know not to indulge in criminal behavior.

        But the big problem remains to get their crack-smoking baby-mommies and baby-daddies to enforce good behavior at home that not even they will follow.

        • Jesse James

          The black middle class used to run the segregated schools in the South and they got much better results back then than anyone gets today.

          • dd121

            I’m surprised some liberals haven’t suggested that racism just runs too deep and the only solution to educating groids is to return to segregated schools.

          • Jesse James

            Actually there is a movement like that and I believe there have been experiments with segregated schools for just black boys because of their special needs.

            Home » The Education Zone » Task Force Recommends All Black Male School

            Task Force Recommends All Black Male School

            Aug 7, 2013

            In order to better deal with challenges that Black male students face in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools (CMS), a task force has recommended that the school system create an all-Black boys school in district, WBTV 3 News reports.

            Here’s one of the staggering statistics that inspired the
            idea: 20,000 Black male students were given short-term suspensions in
            CMS last year in comparison to only 3,000 White male students were given
            same disciplinary action.

            The task force believes such a school would build leadership,
            business and academic skills for Black male students. While all-Black
            male schools are not a new concept, taxpayers in the
            Charlotte-Mecklenburg area have mixed feelings about the idea.

            Though one Black student thinks it is an excellent idea. “The African
            American male wouldn’t have to argue over females,” Rising 9th grader
            George Whitley said. “And we can just get along and relate to each
            other.”

            Whitley also believes a new school with one gender and one race would be safer.

            “We wouldn’t have to worry about insults and racism,” he added.

          • Jesse James

            I am all for this then maybe we wouldn’t have to worry about our daughters in elementary school being molested, our sons pummeled on the school bus and our young teachers having their throats slit.

          • rowingfool

            Pamela Harrison-Small, executive director of the Berkeley Alliance, said part of the problem between Danvers High School white teachers and its black students is the issue of “talking back.”

            Berkeley school board President Karen Hemphill, who is the only African-American on the board said “When you hear students like Philip Chism say ‘the teacher isn’t fair,’ or ‘the teacher doesn’t like me,’ or ‘I don’t respect the teacher because they don’t respect me,’ you can believe that class is going to have kids who are suspended. It’s on the teacher, Miss Danvers, to manage that situation.”

            “That’s one of the major things,” Harrison-Small said. “Inside your culture, maybe you’ve been taught to have conversations about things, but when Philip Chism tried to have a conversation with Colleen Ritzer a teacher may see that as talking back and see it as a deviant behavior as opposed to a communication style. That why he did what he did.”

            “I’m just worried that Philip will be suspended from school for murdering her and treating her lifeless body like human garbage. I mean, white boys is six times more than black boys in the school district so if you suspend Philip, you got to suspend six white boys too. That’s justice.”

            Hemphill said. “Philip was reacting to the environment, and I think we have some of those situations in our schools where the child is being disturbed by the environment.”

          • rowingfool

            Of course Hemphill and Harrison-Small didn’t actually say the things I quoted above. I substituted the characters from one real news story into their narrative and carried their reasoning out to its logical conclusions. Reductio ad absurdum to highlight the absurdity of these administrator’s fretting about suspensions when teachers are being murdered in the classroom.

          • We already have these institutions. They’re called “prisons”.

          • Brian

            They didn’t tolerate the foolishness being prescribed here, of letting things slide. They maintained control.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Actually, the city where I lived in the 60’s built a beautiful new red brick school for the blacks in their community. The blacks completely destroyed it in a very short time.

    • ZeitTrash

      Here’s a “conversation” between a black student and a white teacher – https://www.youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=iy39k1EUZgg

      • What conversation? 90% of it was bleeped out.

        Then again, I’m a fine one to talk; you’d have to bleep out 90% of the words I say these days, because I say a lot of cuss words like “Southern Poverty Law Center” and “Republican establishment.”

        • Erasmus

          Listen to even white kids talk today, especially the ones who’ve gone to school with blacks and been acculturated by them. Separate but equal was best.

          • Brian

            Segregation = no wiggers, and very few coalburners. What’s not to like?

  • Jesse James

    I have a different idea, instead of white teachers lowering the generally accepted standards of conduct for blacks why don’t blacks just behave and follow the rules. If they are unable to do that because of some defect let them attend special schools with black teachers who can better understand them. There is no leveling up, only leveling down. Stop trying to constantly run our classrooms down to the lowest levels of expectations. We need to stop catering to “no limit nigga’s” to borrow Trayvon’s motto.

    • OnGuard

      When I worked as a teacher’s aide in Pre-k through 2nd grade, there were vast differences between black and white kids! The black kids apparently had little to no parenting; they were uncivilized, w/o table manners, more violent, could not speak in sentences, did not know even the names of colors (at age 4-5!) nor any alphabet or numbers! This was not a “ghetto” school, but a school which had kids chosen to reflect the make-up of the state’s population (therefore middle and upper class blacks too).

      • Sick of it

        Speak in sentences? Some can’t pronounce words alone. They throw out their ridiculously truncated slang version of each and every word.

    • Erasmus

      I have a different idea, instead of white teachers lowering the generally accepted standards of conduct for blacks why don’t blacks just behave and follow the rules.

      Right, and King Canute wouldn’t have been insane to command the sea to retreat.

  • MekongDelta69

    EVERY single excuse has been used to excuse black behavior in the last 50 years.

    And the CAUSE for black behavior… BLACKS.

    Ta da…

    • A Freespeechzone

      Don’t forget that since Obama has been in the WH, the bad, violent and dangerous behavior has been embolden by his comments, that of Eric Holder, the media and the courts.

      Furthermore, you have a government school system that refuses to deal with the real problem–only pass it off on those who ‘play by the rules’.

      Someday, those who have to deal with this will push back hard….it WILL be ugly.

      No Apologies.

      • Erasmus

        Two words: Home schooling.

        Obama and Eric “my people” Holder can try to hide what everyone sees, but truth breaks out. If these two cocoa-colored r-tards weren’t so arrogant, they’d realize they can’t keep spitting in the wind without it blowing back in their half-white faces.

        • Mergatroyd

          Look for home schooling to be outlawed like it is in Germany.

          • Erasmus

            When it is, the beginning of the end of the establishment is at hand. Anyone who believes in this New World Order shi’ite is nuts, and public schooling (indoctrination) is a big part of it.

            Nations are extensions of families, and this latest attempt at a supra-national will fall apart, overwhelmed by the forces that brought down the Austro-Hungarian, British, Russian Empires, Yugoslavia and the USSR.

    • JohnEngelman

      The cause is bad genes.

  • MikeofAges

    Has any considered that the reason why black students are suspended is because administrators want to chose a punishment that speaks to the individual in question? Not the race, the individual. In my experience, socializing is very important to black adolescent and post adolescent youth. So much so that excess time spent socializing probably is a significant cause of academic failure in that group. Not not that others cannot be likewise afflicted, mind you. But cutting a black kid off from the opportunity to socialize with his peer group in pretty significant and likely to make an impression on him. Suspension might not have the same effect on white kid, who would simply use the time of to pursue individual pursuits. For a white kid, something shaming might be more effective, something like after school detention or being removed to from regular class to a disciplinary classroom.

    Who is to say suspension is a worse punishment than any other? The purpose of these summary punishments primarily is to make an impression on the individual. Higher rates of suspension I am sure are a reflection of higher rates of violent and threatening behavior. But I don’t think that’s the whole story at all.

    • Punishments only work on kids who give a rip. I always assaulted adults who sassed me at the age of 14. They thought they were in charge, even when they weren’t. I could take criticism from Mr. Myers, but he wasn’t deliberately cruel. The last time my ex-father beat me up, I couldn’t stop laughing at him. This made him angrier and kept him going, but it was hilarious. My mother divorced him for that. She thought he had broken my back. He stopped kicking me when I said “Kill me, bitch. Get it done you coward.”

      I pissed red for a week and walked really slow for a month.

      It still says it never hit any of us.

      • MikeofAges

        You have to find something the particular kid “gives a rip” about. If there isn’t anything, there’s a word for that kind of person: incorrigible. One of the biggest problems American society has is that we don’t want to recognize that there are some adolescent youth for whom the classroom is not quite the right habitat. In earlier eras, kids went to work in their teens. But how could we send a select some of them to work and into apprenticeship when we don’t even have jobs for ten’s of millions of experienced adults and we are incessantly bringing in legal and illegal immigrants by the tens of thousands every month?

      • Erasmus

        The effectiveness of punishment presupposes the possession of a conscience and a desire to adhere to acceptable mores. First, a lot of these kids haven’t a conscience anyone could call normal (or at least not developed to a normal level) and second the group mores are anti-social, at least to people not inclined to dysfunctional behavior, if not outright criminally inclined.

        Separate but equal schooling was best.

        • It also assumes the punishment is reasonable, and for a genuine infraction of established and necessary rules.

  • Jefferson

    “That’s one of the major things,” Harrison-Small said. “Inside your
    culture, maybe you’ve been taught to have conversations about things,
    but when a student tries to have a conversation a teacher may see that
    as talking back and see it as a deviant behavior as opposed to a
    communication style.”

    {snip}

    A urban inner city yoof’s idea of having a so-called “conversation with a White teacher is by responding to her with “I am a kill you White bytch”.

    I can’t blame a White teacher for seeing that as deviant behavior.

    • Alfred the Great

      That’s what that 14-year old did. Cut up his teacher with a box cutter.

      • Katherine McChesney

        His tool wasn’t a box cutter it was a carving tool used for art. Something like an x-acto knife.

        • Alfred the Great

          The article that I read, earlier in the day, stated that the weapon used was a box cutter that the kid took from his art class. I am only as good as the information that I read.

    • Brian

      Maybe he’s trying to talk his way through a novel technique in geometry class to prove a Euclidean theorem?

  • Extropico

    Were this still a sovereign nation, the Blacks would have to assimilate to our culture or be deported. I look forward to the day when we are once again in control of our destiny.

    • Erasmus

      As others have pointed out, you’ll have to get rid of the McCains, the Grahams, the Cantors, the Bushes and the Clintoons before that happens.

  • ncpride

    But when a student tries to have a conversation a teacher may see that as talking back….

    Give me a break here. I don’t believe this nonsense for a second. I can just imagine this so-called ‘conversation’ coming form the black ‘student’….

    White teacher: Please have a seat DeMarcus, and please don’t interrupt while I’m talking.
    Black Student: STFU b***h, you don’t tell me what to do!

    That’s normal ‘conversation style’ for blacks, and poor miss White teacher had just better get over it, and stop thinking of these insults as deviant behavior.

    • OnGuard

      Reminds me of a William Raspberry( a black columnist) article years ago, where he pointed out that blacks, esp. young ones, had more arrests then non-blacks, after being stopped because of the belligerent behavior they showed to the cop, instead of, for example, saying “Oops, I was going too fast” or “Yeah, I should have pulled over sooner, rather than leading you on a chase!”. They use the racism excuse, because they are never at fault.

  • D.B. Cooper

    “Hiring more teachers of color is important too, Hemphill said.”
    What really disgusts me more than that statement is that Hemphill could’ve gone to Grambling, Prairie View A&M, or Morehouse. There are plenty of black teachers there, yet they just have to go to a still mostly white school.

    WELL, I say hiring more Affirmative Action quota teachers to replace the white male democrat faculty is an outstanding idea! I believe being replaced or rejected by diversity ranks up there with being victimized by diversity in order to be cured of diversity.

    • Xerxes22

      Karen Hemphill isn’t a teacher. She is the president of the Berkeley school board, just an over paid AA administrator. I would bet that she never spent one day in a real classroom. No real teacher would ever say something like that.

  • JohnEngelman

    Those responsible for forcing this ridiculous policy should be required to work as substitute teachers for several years in some of the blackest and most dangerous public schools in the San Francisco Bay area.

    • Spartacus

      To hell with that ! Send them to Detroit !

      • Erasmus

        Forget hell. Detroit is where God is going to send the really wicked after they die.

    • Jefferson

      You can find some very Black public schools in the following Bay Area cities.

      1.Richmond
      2.Vallejo
      3.Oakland
      4.East Palo Alto

      John am I missing any more cities ? Or does that pretty much cover it ?

      • JohnEngelman

        I have read on this website that the racial quality of East Palo Alto is improving as Hispanics move in.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          As long as whites are replaced, right?

        • Well, I guess it couldn’t get worse.

        • Katherine McChesney

          I’ve lived in an apartment complex at Sepulveda and National in Los Angeles that was predominately “latino”. These were not immigrants. It was a nightmare. Drug dealing, fights, an home invasion, theft and one group who holed up in an apartment cut through the floor boards to hook up to the electricity after they had been evicted. Police were there at least once a week. I finally moved into a better neighborhood in Santa Monica. But, I’ll always remember that ‘latino’s’ are a violent culture.

    • Funruffian

      That’s what I did, JE. It all started over 5 years ago at the inception of my Racial awakening.

  • We need to revert to segregated education.

    • Spartacus

      No. You need to revert to a White nation .

      • DLRisVH

        I like both ideas but yours is better.

  • Erasmus

    The problem is the same in Oakland schools, where administrators and teachers are frantically trying to reduce suspension numbers as part of a voluntary agreement in response to a complaint by the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights.

    There’s an obvious solution staring them in the face right there. Abolish the US Department of Education, and, voila, the problem goes away.

    • Mergatroyd

      Abolish mandatory education. At all levels.

  • Spartacus

    “Last year in Berkeley, 60 percent of all the suspensions given were of
    black students, even though they make up just 20 percent of the student
    population.”

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    • He be a good chile.

      • Erasmus

        Yup, that’s the sort of trash our well-behaved kids are told to embrace in the name of diversity. Better they learn not to step in that sort of k-rap pictured above in the first place.

  • guest

    “Schools are “frantically trying to reduce suspension numbers” for blacks.”

    I just can’t see any point in trying to keep those black students who cause so much trouble at the schools when they obviously really don’t want to be there.

    • Sick of it

      Forced education is the law, comrade. Are you in need of psychological evaluation? Your thoughts are approaching the criminal realm.

      • Guest

        Watch out Sick you are on the list yourself. You better hope you get billeted with a big Indian to put you out of your misery.

      • Jesse James

        Better watch out Sick you know you are on the list too. If you are lucky you might get billeted with a big Indian to put you out of your misery.

        • I knew some injun murderers in federal prison and they were OK. They liked blacks even less than Mr. Spartacus does.

          • Jesse James

            I was just razzing Sick, going to a mental facility always makes me think of “One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest”.

        • Sick of it

          I’m pretty sure I could get along with an American Indian, assuming they are from North of the border.

      • guest

        I’m just saying that those troublemaking kids who obviously don’t want to be in school at all make it very hard for other kids who actually care about learning so they can make something good of themselves and for the teachers who are now forbidden to discipline them. Bottom line – they don’t want to learn, they don’t care about giving everyone else the decency of behaving themselves, and they really don’t want to be at school. Are we really supposed to care more about keeping those troublemaking kids in schools than for the other kids who actually want to learn and be successful? If that’s what you think, I really hope you don’t have kids.

  • Rhialto

    The White Liberal schoolpersons know more about Black behavior than I do. They know that Black students are suspended less considering their actions than White students. They know what every Black mother knows: Black children can be controlled only by force. They know that everybody else knows it.

    They also know that if you talk about it, you lose your well paying job.

    • Sick of it

      They were better behaved under corporal punishment.

      • Jesse James

        So was I. The last time I got beat I was 17 and had already been to Basic Training (the summer before my Senior year). Yes it hurt, my coach could swing a mean ass paddle. Yes it had holes in it. Yes I did somewhat adjust my attitude. No it did no lasting damage. Yes I did brag about it when I got back to class. No I didn’t get beat when I got home but my Granddad made me go out in the brick yard and chop weeds with an old broken handled sling blade in the hot sun.

        • Brian

          My dad had a firewood business and we lived next door to his parents who had a horse-boarding farm. So if I acted the fool, there were plenty of punishments awaiting…chopping wood, mucking out the horse crap from the stables, etc. Good times!

        • Sick of it

          Ahh those thick wooden paddles with the air holes so there’s less wind resistance…we had those until pretty recently where I grew up.

  • APaige

    Well if White teachers can teach Whites, Asians, and to some extent Hispanics, the problem could be the BLACK ‘students.’
    This is the same school system that eliminated science labs because they were used mostly by Whites and Asians.

  • John_HD

    I’ve suggested this for years; film the classrooms every day. That way there’s video evidence of the behaviors in question. That’s way too obvious, though. See, they don’t really want the truth to be shown or known. They’d rather pretend that black suspensions are the result of white racism.

    • rowingfool

      This is an excellent idea.

    • Jesse James

      Did you read the article on the teacher who got here throat cut? They had 130 working cameras in the school. They have video of him dragging here body through the hall in a recycling bin. You have to appreciate that detail, a recycling bin, well at least the kid learned his conservation lessons. I imagine one of the few places where there weren’t cameras was the bathrooms which is probably why he attacked her in there. There must be years of video across this country that is full of black misbehavior beyond belief by most people. If it got out whites parents would be pulling there children out of the public schools. This information is controlled and suppressed by the school administrators even more than the network news or the Obama White House.

      • Kenner

        I thought of this long ago. Remember the ‘driving while black’ ruckus some years back? They put cameras at areas where motorists were being pulled over, and found that the reason more blacks were pulled over was, you guessed it…..

        • Katherine McChesney

          …..and….

      • rowingfool

        Jesse says “I imagine one of the few places where there weren’t cameras was the bathrooms which is probably why he attacked her in there.”

        This is just a terrible thought, but regrettably, all too likely to be true. It just shows a level of forethought and planning that I find incomprehensible. But then again, I don’t understand the basic reasoning behind the kid’s actions anyway. If he had a crush on the poor woman, and wanted to show it, why then would he arm himself with a knife first? It makes no sense.

        • Jesse James

          Stop thinking like a humane being and start thinking like a merciless predator and you will understand better.

          • rowingfool

            I CAN do that. I just don’t like to. And I think that feeling is shared by most people. Who wants to go through life with the hammer literally half cocked? I think that’s why whites are always so surprised when they get sucker punched or beaten.

            Someone the other day made a fine comment about the 500 million dollar museum to black something or other being built on the mall in Washington D.C. Their comment was something to this effect “Black people were seen leaving the museum with their lips drawn tight and their eyes in slits, just looking around for a white person to punish or pummel.” And I believe that this states very well just what the problem is with all this propaganda that incites black feelings of indignation.

            Some powerful group in America is stoking the flames of racial hatred. I can’t see the long-term benefit in this. It can only play out in violence. Who or what benefits from this? I’m a fool, but I don’t like being fooled (anymore than anyone else does).

          • Jesse James

            I was only suggesting that you try and think that way if you want to understand savage attackers since you stated that you didn’t understand the kids reasoning NOT that you should make it the thought practice that guides your life.

  • Andy

    “Hiring more teachers of color is important too, Hemphill said. Currently, 67 percent of Berkeley’s teachers are white, 8 percent are Hispanic, 8 percent are Asian and 7 percent are African-American.”

    What about the other 10%?

    • Jefferson

      The other 10 percent are made up of people who are so racially mixed that they have no clue what they should identify themselves as.

    • Brian

      They didn’t have time to learn math because they were so busy having conversations.

  • Nice Guy

    I’m a teacher (university professor, actually), and if I had to teach a bunch of unruly blacks, I’d quit and move cities.

    • Andy

      At my school, the black students are well-behaved and often bright. (These are, of course, the black students taking real classes instead of grievance studies.)

      • 1stworlder

        How many unicorns at the petting zoo?

        • Andy

          Unicorns do not exist. Smart, well-behaved blacks are a statistical anomaly. There is a difference.

          • Jesse James

            Just for the sake of fairness let me speak up for Andy here. My three kids all completed high school within the last five or six years and they were in a magnet program that had a number of very intelligent and well behaved black children, boys and girls. They were not monsters and they weren’t stupid. It doesn’t do our cause any good to over exaggerate the failings of blacks. It was the good experiences that my kids had with this talented 10% that make them all disagree with my views on race relations. They have a much more hopeful attitude about the future.

            Also I would like to say that I graduated High School in the early 80s in a rural school system that was about half black. I got in a few fights and there was some tension but by and large people got along. The way we used to avoid the problems that we are seeing today is that although the schools and work places were integrated our private lives were VERY segregated. To the point where dating out of your race was just unheard of at all. We didn’t eat at each others houses or even hang out at the same places – other than the county recreation ball fields. There was order of a sort and we did know each others families more than is typical in say an urban area. I like to think that we respected each others differences and carefully stayed on our own turf. I went to school and worked side by side with blacks in our lumberyard and I was comfortable around them. We did share a somewhat common culture as to food we liked, fishing, sports, rural conservatism and Christianity. Those times are gone though, somehow even though there material situation is much much better than it was then their spiritual state and anger is much worse now.

          • Kenner

            Excellent post, Jesse. Many upper-middle class whites have not been in an economic situation where they had to work with, and deal with, the ones who be keepin’ it all too real.

          • Mergatroyd

            Like most of liberal New England for example.

          • Brian

            A warehouse in Clayton Cty? Man… there is a monumental difference between the top 10% of blacks, who are not world-beaters but are typically fine, and the bottom 10%.

          • Funruffian

            I like the way you phrased your timeline and experience growing up in a very segregated community. However, I cringed at the implication of some Blacks being very intelligent, I will admit that it is possible but very sparse. But even in the days when there was still strong social segregation after the Civil Rights Movement, it had to have been enlightening knowing what they were really like as a whole group instead of the heroic versions we see on TV. Don’t most kids find it odd that the Blacks they endure in their schools are totally different than the ones portrayed in the media? Southerners must be really annoyed with that.

          • Jesse James

            We have been annoyed by the (mostly) Northern progressive tendency to glorify blacks since well before the Civil War. Although the current generation of progressives has denigrated the concept it was Northern progressives who invented the idea of the “talented tenth” that W.E.B Dubois publicized in 1903 a widely read essay, I have found that it is pretty good shorthand for explaining to people how a bell curve distribution of intelligence works. Some people make the wrong assumption that I am rabidly anti-black and that would be a mistake. Growing up in the South I have many fond memories of working and interacting with blacks, they are certainly not all evil. Understand that though I don’t buy into glorifying blacks and their culture I also don’t believe in demonizing them.

            I am against the leftist propaganda that constantly keeps blacks enraged and stirred up so that they can be manipulated to support the agenda of the socialist Democratic Party. When the communist and socialist realized that the white working class had basically been bought off through increased shared prosperity they turned to the blacks to provide the angry mobs needed to push through their revolutionary agenda.

            I also think that the progressive fantasy of human equality serves to confuse the average black who have something of a primitive cargo cult mentality when it comes to understanding how whites generate personal prosperity. This makes them susceptible to the idea that their is some secret white racial privilege, which is of course incorrect. Though you could say that although their reasoning as to the cause of generally greater white prosperity is wrong they are right that it exist. The reason of course is our genetically higher intelligence. If more of them really understood that this is just a function of nature, which I think they do know on some deep level, they would not be so easily agitated by Marxist agitators.

            As to how young people conceptualize their experience with blacks in school you have to remember that kids, even those who live relatively close together geographically can have radically different school experiences. If you are a white kid who goes to school in the minimum security prison like schools of Clayton County, GA you will have a very different experience than a suburban kid in a Magnet program in Rockdale County. Unfortunately what seems to happen is that the minority whites in majority black schools become “whiggerized” in an attempt to just get through the day. They are in the words of Osama Bin Laden, “backing the strong horse.” After all the President and the Attorney General are black, most sports stars they see are black, rappers and black movie stars are portrayed as icons of rebellion and free thinking. The often talk black and begin to act black. Even more unfortunately this even plays out in suburban majority white schools, a phenomena that is completely the fault of the media that generates popular culture.

          • Alexandra1973

            Basically there is an exception, but you have to be careful not to make it the rule.

          • Rhialto

            You bring back old memories. I graduated HS in the late 1950’s. It was not a “magnet” school; rather it was a “repulsive” school, all students over 16 who were trouble makers or just non-performing were told to leave and get on with your life.

            Our prom was non-segregated, of course, but the word was out among the Blacks that thuggy behavior was not acceptable. The prom was a place to show that Blacks could act polite, if they had to. All Blacks did exactly that at the prom. At the after prom gatherings, it was a bit different.

          • 1stworlder

            Actually there is more evidence unicorns exist even if genetic abnormalities than “Smart, well-behaved blacks”. Even the neighborhoods created by 6 figure earning affirmative action govt. tokens has more crime than it should, and the top 20% of income earning black families only beats the avg SAT for white families earning under $20,000

    • I taught laboratory chemistry at both CU Boulder and UNSW Sydney. I had exactly one black “American” (CU) and one tan Egyptian (UNSW). Everyone else was white, Oriental or subcontinental. The Egyptian was a very good student. The groid was not.

      I really liked teaching, but since these were university science majors, almost all of them honestly wanted to be there. It was thus very pleasant. I could never tolerate teaching at a high school or middle school.

  • Sick of it

    Constantly throwing out the F-bomb is NOT a communication style. Ignoring the teacher to talk to your neighbor is NOT acceptable in a school. Getting up in the middle of class except to go to the bathroom is also NOT acceptable in a school. Hitting other kids during lunch should result in an actual punishment, but these punks usually don’t get anything other than a lecture.

  • retrain teachers, voluntary agreement, complaint, anger, relate, need to, equity work, cultural competency, achievement gap, restorative justice

    Or in other words, White privilege is still hurting the black community and holding us back, so we must force White teachers to blame themselves and “adapt through adjusting their Whiteness” to fit the blackaloid Diversity circumstances. Check your White and the achievement gap will close itself.

    Meanwhile, we invite all those suffering White teachers to do the right thing and repeat the New White Mantra: FIGHT DIVERSITY, FOSTER RACISM, SAVE LIVES.

    “Under the circumstances, racism really is the best option.”

    -RevJeddy

  • Funruffian

    “Looking at the data, my emotions border on anger,” said Berkeley school board President Karen Hemphill, who is the only African-American on the board. “You don’t have to be black to teach black kids. It goes back to having adults who can relate to you, maybe having been where you’ve been. We really need to accelerate what we are doing in our equity work.”
    This is just another uppity AA She-Ape frothing at the mouth about how her fellow Bantus always have the worst reputation. She blames it on White racism and not the maladaptive behavior of her brethren. The only reason why the suspension numbers have decreased slightly in the past three years id due to severe intimidation and pressure placed on the faculty by the NAACP and the teens’ parents.
    You have it wrong, you oppressed and fat piece of lard! Teacher are bordering on furious and their warranted disgust of your race is boiling over everyday.

  • ViktorNN

    Who is Harrison trying to fool?

    Talking back to white teachers is considered sport for black kids. Every time they talk back it’s considered another “disrespect” of the “white b*tch” teaching them. Every time the teacher backs down it’s considered a win for them. There’s no “conversation” here – it’s a challenge to authority that can only be answered by kicking the troublemakers out of class. Not kicking them out is a disservice to every other kid in class.

    There’s no cultural difference involved unless we admit that blacks live by some dysfunctional moral code where nothing can get done if the most stupid, aggressive, and rude decide so for everyone else.

    • Mergatroyd

      The elephant in the room is the liberal belief that black and white behavior is the same and any deviation due a reaction against institutional racism.

  • Whirlwinder

    The liberal socialists are living in a dream world. Lets close the academic gap and reduce suspensions. Meanwhile, the black undertow is destroying the education system in Oakland as well as the culture in that city. The academic gap will not be closed because it cannot be closed. Lets face reality. And the suspensions should really be reported to the local police department as teachers are not equiped to deal with lawlesness.

  • Ella

    “…..part of the problem between Berkeley’s white teachers and its black students is the issue of “talking back.” Meaning, your Black students will talk back to you and show much disrespect in front of other students. As an educator, you’re trained to take their abuse and intimidation without being offended. It’s a “cultural” thing.

  • RileyDeWiley

    The comments posted beneath the original article read quite a lot like the comments here.

    Anyone else see ‘School Colors’? It was a docu about Berkeley High School and race, shot in the early 90s, and it was good, which is why it is nearly impossible to find.

  • Brian

    Too many African-American students are being suspended from the city’s schools here

    Translation: too many blacks can’t act like humans.

    “We really need to accelerate what we are doing in our equity work.”

    Translation: ‘gibsmedat’.

    Other efforts to reduce suspensions include bringing restorative justice programs to all three middle schools,

    Translation: hold hands, sing a negro spiritual of old, and forget the offense ever occurred.

    part of the problem between Berkeley’s white teachers and its black students is the issue of “talking back.” “That’s one of the major things,” Harrison-Small said. “Inside your culture, maybe you’ve been taught to have conversations about things, but when a student tries to have a conversation a teacher may see that as talking back and see it as a deviant behavior as opposed to a communication style.

    Translation: teachers have no authority to command silence when they have the floor, because children and adults are the same, and teachers and students are the same. You’ve been taught to run your damn-fool mouth from ‘yo culcha’– because the mom of the brat didn’t get proper discipline either. And now it’s normalized. This is called ‘defining deviancy down’. Apparently when blacks can’t shut up in a movie theater, this is a ‘conversation’ and ‘communication style’ too. I call it ‘acting the fool’.

    training in “positive behavior and intervention systems” and mentoring and case management of targeted students.

    I bet it would be a lot cheaper to use some hickory switches or a paddle.

  • Brian

    She said Berkeley’s school district is trying to move in the direction of “creating spaces where people can have conversations.”

    If the teacher knows algebra, and the students are there to learn it, the teacher needs to instruct the students, not ‘have a conversation’ about it.

    “There are districts that are not doing suspensions anymore for defiance,” Hemphill said.

    Can you say ‘white flight’? I knew you could.

  • Mergatroyd

    The schools in this area will eventually be 90% black as parents pull out their white and Asian kids out for private, charter or home schools. Blacks will scream racism but they’ll do that no matter what. The good citizens of this city should remember articles like this when it comes time to vote in school bonds or school board members.

  • Sloppo

    The solution to this problem is simple. Punishment levels need to be curved slightly based upon the race of the perpetrator in order to create fairness and equality. For example, a jay-walking Japanese student should receive a punishment which is similar to the one received by an African who commits murder.

  • Luca

    This problem was publicly articulated very well as far back as the mid 1800’s during many political debates such as Lincoln – Douglas. To wit: Whites and blacks simply cannot live together.

    Almost everyone of every political affiliation could agree on that one.

    But let’s give the schools more money, another 150 years and I am sure they will solve the problem.

  • guest

    Their solution to “helping” blacks is to be even softer on them. In restorative justice (look it up on Wiki), no one is considered guilty. Both sides did something wrong, and apologize to each other. Yeah that’s just perfect for blacks. No punishment, no clear assertion of authority. All this coming out of UC Berkeley, so it must be the most advanced and ideal program!

    Berkeley High a couple of years ago canceled all its science labs, to devote the money to other stuff, because only whites and Asians can succeed in science labs. Now they will try to use “restorative justice” with blacks.

    This article also says they will be putting the teachers through cultural training to better understand African culture, and they are teaching them about “restorative justice” at the same time. There’s an obvious contradiction here: in all African societies, and black groups within the US, authority is clear and very harsh. Particularly in Africa, there are no human rights, and leaders impose their power and discipline with utmost severity. That is not a legacy of colonialism or slavery; that’s how things were in Africa long before colonial rulers arrived. It’s the exact opposite of a soft approach like restorative justice. Surely some of the experts in African culture must be aware of this? They have a whole academic department in African culture so they must know this?

    • Puggg

      Restorative justice is what lib whites do with their own kids in their dweeby little high tuition lib private schools, so they presume it can work in the whole world. It has even been floated as a way to do criminal justice for adults, especially black adults.

    • Jesse James

      Let them keep going further and further down the rabbit hole until we hear a pop and see a tiny poof of dust where they have disappeared into their own rear ends. It will be a good example for the rest of the country where not all of the school administrators are as fanatically dedicated to the progressive illusion. In the end reality triumphs.

  • Son of Abraham

    I taught many, many black students over the years. Black students do not want “to have a conversation” about this or that subject.
    They are by nature hostile and oppositional to any type of authority or need for restraint. Talking back, called “loud talking” in the ‘hood is a typical technique to try and intimidate whitey. Much like “the black look” everyone is so familiar with.
    In my experience, when you stare back or get loud and in their faces they inevitable back
    down.
    Most are paper tigers.

  • Marlin B. Newburn

    Let’s see; “talking back” is merely a cultural trait for blacks. Whites call that being rude and insolent. Dummy us.

    Aberrant and violent behavior specific to blacks is being completely ignored by the “higher minds” at Berzerkly. They should be sent several cases of the book, “White Girl Bleed a Lot” by Colin Flaherty, and then respond to its contents. Now that would be interesting.

  • MartelC

    what black kids need – or any fatherless male – is MORE not less discipline. ..
    Ironically this will leave black kids worse off. The radical egalitarian mindset sets society in an ever downward spiral”:
    lower standards because black kids can’t live up to them, which only emboldens them to behavior worse…which leads liberals to loosen standards even more… .

  • saxonsun

    Here in NYC, we are about to get the race traitor De Blasio for mayor. The mayor’s mansion is right down the block from us, so we’ll get to see his black family romping around there. Sickening.

  • Alexandra1973

    In which case you don’t belong with da white man, Demario. 🙂

  • Katherine McChesney

    “…recognizing cultural differences between mostly white teachers and their black students.”

    Yeah, the White teachers aren’t savages.

  • De’Ontavious Jizzaiah Jones

    This is all part of new theorizing taking hold in social services – the school to prison pipeline. http://www.naacpldf.org/case/school-prison-pipeline
    Clearly, to rational thinkers this is more explaining away of the problem rather than honest talk about the real problem – that a black feral underclass has been created thanks to misguided government programs (ground zero= Great Society). This feral underclass exhibits behavior outside norms of civilized western societies wherever its members go, whether to school or to county fairs. Its children do not experience any civilizing infuence at home in their first 5 years of life, and then they are sent to school with no concept of proper behavior out in public, let alone during school. I am 50 and remember how well organized and disciplined my lower middle class public schools were from 1967 thru 1980. The behavior I read about in public schools today would never have happened in the first place when I was in school, let alone be tolerated if it did. All of us feared if we misbehaved, that we would first incur teacher’s wrath, then the Principal’s, and lastly our parents who were then rightfully permitted to physically discipline us.

  • And here I was scratching my head trying to figure out some political scheme to get the transfer law either repealed or neutralized. The angle dancing in front of my face that I was blind to all the while was that blacks have a hard time paying their bills, either as individuals or collectives.

    Now let’s see if FH has the spine not to accept transfer students.

    And I’m also with you that we’re going to pay for it. The cult of school choice is way too strong in both parties for this not to happen. Bellcurvius is not to be denied.

  • disqus_irCdmAu8It

    Typically, African-American kids are out-of-control.

  • MBlanc46

    Good luck trying to take the ghetto out of the ghetto-dwellers.

  • Carney3

    The problem is, we’re not deporting a black for each incoming Hispanic. We’re just doubling the minority problem.

  • lessthantolerant

    Insanity runs deep in the liberal mindset.