Wide Racial Gap Persists in Education Testing

Collin Binkley, The Columbus Dispatch, September 22, 2013

Even if they come from affluent families or attend highly rated schools, black students in Ohio continue to lag far behind their white peers in school, according to a Dispatch analysis of data from state standardized exams.

On more than two dozen state tests given to students in kindergarten through high school last year, the average passage rate among black students was 64 percent. On average, 87 percent of white students passed.

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In Ohio wide race gaps persist even on a level economic field.

Average passing rates among affluent white students last year topped those of affluent black students by 16 percentage points. Poor, white students outperformed black students from poor and wealthy families.

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New state report cards penalized schools this year if certain student groups, including racial minorities, didn’t improve enough over a year. Schools that have long earned high overall marks received D’s and F’s in that area.

At the same time, parents of black students have formed groups in their districts to advocate for minority children. {snip}

“There are clearly divisions along ethnic lines within the district,” said Vaughn Bell, a Westerville parent who revived a defunct group for black parents last year. “I do believe that schools are failing our African-American students.”

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“These gaps are traceable back to early-childhood education,” said Shaun Harper, the director of the University of Pennsylvania Center for the Study of Race and Equity in Education. “If kids show up in kindergarten not having had high-quality instruction in preschool, they’re already starting behind.”

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Beyond poverty, though, some say schools set the bar too low for minorities.

“We expect less of our low-income students and students of color,” said Natasha Ushomirsky, senior data and policy analyst for Education Trust, a Washington, D.C., nonprofit group that works to close achievement gaps.

Studies have found that black and Latino students are less likely to be placed in advanced courses, even if they show promise in a subject. Minority students are also more likely to be taught by less-experienced teachers.

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The consequences of achievement gaps can be crushing.

For example, 61 percent of black students in Ohio pass the third-grade reading test, compared with 87 percent of white students.

That’s important because one study found that students who don’t read proficiently by third grade are four times less likely to graduate by age 19. It’s 19 times less likely for poor students who don’t read well by third grade.

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Some of the widest gaps in Ohio are in urban schools, which have long struggled to improve scores among large minority populations.

In 2010, less than 5 percent of black students passed the Ohio third-grade reading exam at Lincoln Park Elementary, a majority black school at the time. More than 70 percent of white students at the Columbus school passed.

But even in suburban districts, including Dublin, Worthington and Westerville, there are schools where whites routinely outperform blacks by wide margins.

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Ultimately, though, there is no magic bullet.

Some experts such as Ushomirsky argue for school-level solutions, such as pairing top teachers with low-performing students. Harper says governments need to invest more in minority neighborhoods. Both agree that the stakes are clear.

“If we don’t do something about these inequities, the long-term consequences for our economy are enormous,” Harper said. “Inevitably we will see more poverty, more crime and so on.”

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  • D.B. Cooper

    Here’s what will happen, the curriculum will change so the most difficult math problem in the “advanced AP” classes will be:
    3+Y=8
    Solve for Y.

    • Compliant with Commune Core, you need not actually arrive at the correct answer. Just make sure your work at arriving at whatever answer at which you arrive is sufficiently social justicey, and cites the struggles and challenges of at least one protected and historically oppressed minority group.

      • ncpride

        Good thing there is growing backlash about Common Core. Parents and States alike are realizing what a mess that is, and backing out of it, or trying to.

        • Who had his hands really deep in the Commune Core jar? Jeb Bush. Just something to think of before we put another one of the Bush litter into the White House, though as far as that goes, I know I’m preaching to the choir.

        • Sick of it

          Florida is certainly doing their best to get out of it.

          • ncpride

            That’s pretty funny considering QD’s post above yours.

          • Sick of it

            The last news story I read about specifically mentioned Jeb too. Florida’s current governor wants no part of it.

    • Northerner

      The solution has always been to throw money at the problem, while dumbing down the curriculum. Those in charge are frustrated because they can’t solve this issue, and it will never be solved until people stop denying the effects of racial and cultural differences.

      • dd121

        The liberals who control education have no intention of doing that. They already know the outcome.

      • sbuffalonative

        I’m waiting for them to run out of theories, initiatives, and excuses and announce that the only explanation for the achievement gap is that race and associated IQ are genetic realties. Unfortunately, they never run out of theories, initiatives, and excuses.

        • leftists are delusional

          There is no credit limit on the race card.

        • Erasmus

          Can you seriously blame them for offering all these excuses? It can’t be easy for people like Oprah, Holder or Obama to privately admit that they come from a race of morons, and I’ve little doubt that somewhere, deep down, they do know it.

          • MikeofAges

            “What’s de longest river in the world? What’s de longest river in the world? It’s de Nile. It’s de Nile. It’s de Nile. It’s de Nile. Dat’s de longest river in de world.”

    • Jesse James

      and the majority of students will not be able to solve the equation. No bar is low enough.

    • bilderbuster

      Trayvon have a bottle of robitussin & sum watermelon juice.
      How many skittles he need to make purple dank?

      • Oil Can Harry

        That’s a trick question. St. Trayvon was making watermelon drank, not purple drank.

        • bilderbuster

          You cheatin’.No usein’ yo White Privilege!
          Okay:
          1) Juan have an ounce of pure coke an Trayvon have an ounce of cut.
          How many grams can they make to sell at school?

          2) Trayvon doin’ a drive-by.
          His AK47 have a 30 round clip.
          Only 10% of his bullets hit his targets.
          How many gang bangers Trayvon shoot?

          3) There be 12 ho’s in Trayvon’s 10th grade class an Trayvon knock up 4 of da ho’s.
          What percent of da ho’s now be baby mommas?

          4) Trayvon can steal 2 car stereos an hour an he get 1 crack rock a stereo. How many crack rocks can Trayvon smoke if he be workin’ from midnight an 4am?

    • rowingfool

      There is no way most black kids will ever solve this problem because it involves Formal Reasoning Skills. Substituting a contentless variable for a concrete number is a higher-order ideational ability. In fact, many whites lack this ability which is why they “hate” algebra. And we all know that blacks, with their IQ one whole standard deviation below that of whites, etc, etc…..

    • CharlesFinley

      Dat’s a racist problem, you [email protected]$$ cooper. (-:

    • Alexandra1973

      Is subtracting 3 from both sides simple enough for certain people, I have to wonder?

    • Brian

      That is the white man’s racist math. The black man solves spiritual equations with song, folklore and interpretive dance! C’mon, this is Kumbayah Koolaid 101.

  • “I do believe that schools are failing our African-American students.”

    In old time America, blacks failed school. In our new Soviet America, school fails blacks.

    • Erasmus

      Plus, while we’re trying to save the unsalvageable African-American students, we short-change white students who could benefit from a good education.

      Bussing largely guaranteed the destruction of a good public school education for all. Politicians had no business sending white kids to school with black children, who are by objective standards borderline retarded.

    • Jenkem Huffington

      The old Russian reversal. I like it!

    • 48224

      Agreed. And as I have said before….Being poor doesn’t make you stupid. But being stupid will make you poor.

  • John Ulfsson

    How is anybody a racial egalitarian? No data set anywhere suggests whites, asians, and blacks all being on the same level. Even ones that control for socio-economic status.

    Also, take note that latinos were grouped in with whites in this data, so likely the gap is even higher.

    • Andy

      Aha. I thought those results looked unusual.

    • How can anyone be a racial egalitarian?

      Cults, ideological or otherwise, can wield a lot of power.

    • Erasmus

      Good point!

    • Sick of it

      The cult of egalite has been around a good 300 years now.

    • leftists are delusional

      Leftists are delusional

      • Erasmus

        A conservative believes what he sees. A leftist sees what he believes.

        • Sick of it

          It’s better to be a “doubting Thomas” than a gullible moron.

        • Brian

          That doesn’t tend to apply to evolution/creationism, though. Some exceptions exist.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      Also keep in mind that “non-hispanic white” is a very broad definition that doesn’t really follow actual racial lines.

      For example, arabs and north-africans are grouped in as “non-hispanic white” in USA, while we clearly in Europe see that there are large differences between these groups and europeans.
      Where do afghanis fall in the american definitions? As asians? As blacks? As hispanic?
      With the increasing immigration from these groups, the gap between blacks and “whites” in USA will decrease, since the scores of “whites” will drop.

      Wanna see some fun statistics about discrimination?
      Try comparing black and white numbers in colleges and universities, but cut out jews from whites, since they for some reason are a distinct group sometimes, when it benefits them, but not otherwise.

      Look at the Supreme court for example, where there was a great need for a “wise latina”.
      How many whites do we have? How many blacks and how many latinas?
      OK?
      Now, how many catholics do we have? Especially considering that it’s being claimed that a muslim should get on the SCOTUS as some form of equality. How many jews?
      Now for the big question, the biggest religious group in America, protestants. How many protestant judges sits in SCOTUS?
      That’s right, not a single one…..

      For some reason, whenever “whites” are considered too many, the ones being excluded tend to be non-jewish whites, because we can’t be discriminating the jews, despite the fact that it is the “jewish whites” that make up a large part of this “too many”.
      The end result being that non-jewish whites could actually be less of a group at certain universities compared to their number of the population since the “white” number is made up of such a large number of jews, which of course can’t be kicked out in favor of anyone, unlike non-jewish whites.

      • Sick of it

        A very good point, when many Arabs are at BEST Hexadecaroons. Others could be considered anything from Mulatto to Quinteron.

      • MikeofAges

        I am of Jewish descent myself, partially, and I am very aware of the discrimination against, or at least underrepresention of, the mainstream of white American within the higher reaches of the American system. Partially, though, this is due to qualified individuals not applying. Part of the reason why many of the superior students do not apply to selective universities is that they do not suffer from the pathological dissatisfactions or smary desire for future preference that drives many who want to attend selective universities. Working as a reporter in small towns in Central California I met enough kids who could have applied to selective colleges and universities that if I had dollar for each one of them, I could buy a pretty nice dinner. Maybe even a tank of gas.

        As it is, rural and small town high schools, at best, maybe once or twice in a decade send a “showpiece” grad to Harvard, Yale or Princeton. Beyond that, none ever apply to the “Ivys” though more could get in if they did. Particularly of interest is the number of high quality girls who could apply and be admitted to one of the Eastern women’s colleges. But why would they want to? Jewish-American author and radio host Michael Savage calls these Eastern schools “institutes of lower living”. Gosh, by golly. Where ever would he get that idea

  • Texan1st

    White kids consistently outperformed black kids? You don’t say! Next they’re going to tell us that water is wet. Shocking!!!

    • JohnEngelman

      Whenever a fact like that is mentioned, whites are expected to feel guilty.

    • Erasmus

      On the SAT most white kids from the lowest economic rungs of society outperform black kids from the richest families. Blacks really are not as smart as whites and Asians.

  • Look_A_Squirrel

    It used to be that urban schools offered the very best education. Even children of illiterate immigrants succeeded in urban schools with high standards. It is only in the last 40 years that big city public schools became the least desirable choice – filled with crime, failure and decay even while funding has increased per child at an exponential rate.

  • MekongDelta69

    This will be the 3,406th time I’ve posted the following comment on AmRen (and everywhere else):

    IQIQIQIQIQ

    • dd121

      Everybody knows it’s true. This article is merely the latest installment of this information that has been know at least a 100 years.

    • Luca

      Not only IQ. Students with average IQ’s or even lower could work hard and with a little bit of encouragement and discipline could easily graduate high school. It doesn’t take a genius. They could then move on to secondary trade schools. Not everyone needs a PhD. This is the academic mafia pushing this baloney.

      • Sick of it

        Students with below average IQ could easily pass the curricula in use today.

  • Rhialto

    To understand schooling in America the key fact must be kept in mind: The Liberals have turned schools into Liberal indoctrination centers.

  • Spartacus

    “If kids show up in kindergarten not having had high-quality instruction in preschool, they’re already starting behind.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    High-quality instruction in preschool ? Are these people insane ?

    • John Ulfsson

      Give them a break, the wiggle room for excuse-making is getting increasingly slim.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      Not good enough. We need to fund high-quality education in utero, or we’ll be failing black students!

    • FransSusan

      Yes!

  • John Ulfsson

    I wonder when the movement will start to abolish racial categorization in test scores so us evil white racists can no longer oppress underprivileged peoples of color.

    • dd121

      I know you’re being sarcastic but nobody’s oppressing groids. They’re merely stupid.

      • Spartacus

        Stupidity is oppressing them !

        • Whitetrashgang

          Blacks should be protesting their low IQ. What do we want(to be smart) when do we want it (now).

  • Erasmus

    That biology plays a major role in intelligence the left will never admit. They continue to pretend that it’s possible to make people with the innate aptitude for only the most basic tasks into rocket scientists.

    And, even if they aren’t qualified to do anything more than wash dishes or drive a garbage truck, the left is going to damn well make sure they get put into professions they can’t perform and where their ineptitude puts others at risks.

    • John Ulfsson

      But professor Mozelberg told me that race was a social construct and that black failures are a result of white racism and oppression!

      • Mergatroyd

        Stop listening to idiot professors.

    • Sick of it

      Humanity knew centuries ago, perhaps millennia, that people inherited intelligence. It obviously ran in families. Everything the left pushes ignores human nature though, so why should their notions of intelligence be any different?

      • Erasmus

        Yes, you can find allusions to your assertion about the inheritability of intelligence in Aristotle and Plutarch. There is nothing new under the sun.

        • Sick of it

          I was thinking about the Greeks as I typed. But also the European Middle Ages.

  • Lewis33

    “Harper says governments need to invest more in minority neighborhoods.” I bet you could fill a house full of all the articles written since 1964 that mentioned this. When will it be enough? I’ve seen reports of 50,000+ per pupil in some “urban” areas…when will they give up? 100,000, 200,000, a million per pupil?

    • Mergatroyd

      This is to squeeze whites dry, to steal their wealth and property and transfer it to blacks. It’s been going on for 50 or more years with no end in sight.

  • tech

    I’ve always been able to “see”, but the one thing that really pushed me into being a realist was learning about how nationwide poor whites, outperform affluent blacks. I think that is something that is so powerful for someone to try to justify, it makes them question what they believe. Yet, its so rarely mentioned.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      Yes, that fact pushed me into being a racial realist as well. The elites don’t like people mentioning it because it undermines all their propaganda about black failure being due to poverty.

      • Andy

        Yeah, poverty really is the only plausible non-genetic explanation for racial differences, so I suspect that bit of information makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

    • Sick of it

      History and personal experience were enough for me. Scientific studies were icing on the cake.

  • Funruffian

    “There are clearly divisions along ethnic lines within the district,” said Vaughn Bell, a Westerville parent who revived a defunct group for black parents last year. “I do believe that schools are failing our African-American students.”
    we’ve heard this tired old statement in a variety of forms for ages. Isn’t it about time they look toward IQ gaps and overall aptitude? Insanity is repeating the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result.

  • Luca

    Yes, the schools are failing the African American students. They should be throwing them out on their derriere’s, holding them back or suspending them from school. Instead they promote the false narrative that these blacks are equal to all other races intellectually.

    Rather than admit the obvious, they perpetuate this deranged never ending song-and-dance of denial, blame and excuse making.

    This is why in previous decades blacks were found at the lower rung on the job ladder. They performed the jobs that required few responsibilities and fewer intellectual challenges. Janitors, porters, domestics, wash women and doormen.

  • IKantunderstand

    OMG! Why, oh why, does everyone in the government refuse, absolutely refuse, to acknowledge the truth that is sitting there in plain sight, for all to see!!! What, exactly, does the government think will happen, if it is widely acknowledged, that Blacks are stupid! We all know it! We have all been passed over for promotion, because, the promo “needed” to go to a minority. We all have, every single one of us, either a personal experience with discrimination against us, because we are White, or, we have friends and/or relatives, who have been discriminated against, in the “interests” of affirmative action. This BS showing in the media, in Hollywood, in commercials, of competent, smart, accomplished Blacks, is nothing more than the biggest P.R scam ever perpetrated in the history of the world! When you know the statistics of how many Blacks, actually manage to become Doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc., their numbers shown on T.v. as such, are hysterically funny! Come on! How effing stupid, do the power elites think we are? Oh, wait, what should we believe? Them? Or, our lying eyes?

    • FransSusan

      That’s exactly the problem. And the ‘powers that be’ and the dumb white liberals and the black power brokers will NEVER face the truth. Never!

    • Sick of it

      I’ve stated elsewhere, and their marriage trends prove my point, that the elites could care less about the racial or ethnic structure of the world’s population as long as they are in charge. They target us because we are a natural threat.

      • Andy

        What are their marriage trends?

        • Sick of it

          Am I the only one who has noticed that these people marry nonwhites? From the super wealthy George Soros to political hacks and their families.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Are you ever amazed at the richness and variety of black failure theories and ideas? Blacks failure is due to “lack of quality preschool,” “lack of teacher training,” lack of resources,” “circumstances,” “too many White teachers!”

    Every regurgitated excuse imaginable!

    All of which have been thoroughly, and repeatedly debunked.

    There’s such a simple explanation, but one that the PC overlords of the educational gulag will NEVER allow : Black average IQ is one Standard Deviation below that of Whites.

    Low IQ does not lend itself to reading:

    Ability to read and ability to comprehend what one has read are two different things — the latter of which is what counts for academic success – and this is where black fail because the average black does not have the cranial capacity to understand meaning past a very rudimentary level and is unable to draw on past knowledge, infer, deduce or put together concepts in a meaningful way. These things cannot be taught to those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve.

    “Learning to read, in the beginning, is learning how to decode strings of letters and associate them with known words. After this level, students must have the ability to interpret, draw conclusions from and make sense of those strings of letters — something beyond the ability of the average black with a mean IQ of 85.

    This is why little progress has been made in black literacy levels despite the government spending a trillion or more dollars over the past 50 years specifically targeted at raising black reading scores.

    Prof. Jensen writes in The G Factor that the problem is not the decoding of written language but rather comprehending it. Most illiterates do no better on reading tests when the selections are read to them than when they do the reading themselves.

    Bottom line: no significant Black gains in educational achievement for over 50 years.”

    http://psychology // uwo // ca/facul…

    Can you imagine if I gave a power-point presentation on this at the next teachers’ professional development? The facts are on my side but this is complete heresy and goes against education dogma that “IQ is meaningless.”

    I also need my job and wouldn’t want to get Watson-ed.

    Bon

    • Sick of it

      You’d be Richwined for sure.

    • Another really good one I’ve heard is that black children need black teachers.

      Great! Let’s have segregated schools again!

  • libertarian1234

    As the above story reveals, blacks LOVE to claim that the schools are failing their children.

    It’s the schools that are to blame.

    If the schools are guilty of anything, it’s lowering the bar in teaching in an attempt to dumb down the curriculum so blacks won’t fall so far behind.
    This raises the very Obvious question: Why don’t they show the gap between blacks and Hispanic? Blacks and Asians? Blacks and Indians? Blacks and Middle Easterners?
    These gaps between non-whites and blacks have existed for as long as the gap between white and black. Why is it NEVER discussed or pointed out?
    Why do they include blacks in with all non-whites? Asians are doing fine. Hispanics are pulling even further ahead of blacks then before, and all the various groups in the country outperform blacks in I. Q. tests.
    And there’s an even bigger gap between blacks and Northeast Asians, but it’s never mentioned.
    Why not. What are they afraid of?

    “If we don’t do something about these inequities, the long-term consequences for our economy are enormous,” Harper said. “Inevitably we will see more poverty, more crime and so on.”

    • FransSusan

      I believe that black parents really think that the schools are at fault. No one in the black community even understands what IQ is–they’re too dumb to understand that concept–and even the few who do will never admit that it’s the problem. Even intelligent, respected blacks either don’t believe there’s an I.Q. issue or won’t admit it.

      • Erasmus

        On a sympathetic note can you blame them? Having to admit one comes from a race of morons must be very painful.

  • e2657383

    There goes the poverty explanation.

  • Sick of it

    Considering the quality of many black congressmen, I must respectfully disagree. And their IQs decrease because their culture has a tendency to marry down.

    • Andy

      I suspect black doctors and lawyers, while not on par with white doctors are lawyers, are brighter than black congressmen, though.

      • Sick of it

        Agree regarding competent doctors. I’ve known a local black lawyer who has literally never won a case, so…

        • MikeofAges

          Maybe he’s never had a client with a case.

          • Sick of it

            He has, he just loses in court due to incompetence.

          • MikeofAges

            Why does anyone hire him?

          • Sick of it

            Mike seriously…think about why you’re here. Most ethnic groups are 100% biased in favor of their ethnic group.

          • MikeofAges

            That’s an objective answer, by insinuation. I still think anyone with a serious case would go somewhere else. Anyone. Any lawyer that can’t at least handle minor personal injury cases for their clients is pretty sad.

  • leftists are delusional

    ” Poor, white students outperformed black students from poor and wealthy families.”

    Not the first time I have heard the poorest Whites outperformed more wealthy blacks….

    • These statistics show that at low income levels, the racial gap is actually widest. In short, DNA really begins to rear its head there, making income a bit less important.

      • leftists are delusional

        That is a plausible conclusion.
        One could also suspect that the “smarter” blacks, due to AA, have incomes that would be difficult to attain at there IQ level were they White.

        • Note that not only are our two explanations not mutually-exclusive, they actually dovetail rather nicely.

          • leftists are delusional

            Yes, I agree.

  • leftists are delusional

    “New state report cards penalized schools this year if certain student groups, including racial minorities, didn’t improve enough over a year.”

    Can you say incentive to fraudulently pass along the low IQ crowd?

    • Evette Coutier

      This nonsense is why schools and government opposes IQ testing in early elementary. The achievement gap is justified and they can’t use federal funds to buy votes from teachers unions, advocacy groups, and minorities. Real accountability is the last thing they want.

  • Sick of it

    As always, it depends upon who one marries and their genetic background for the past 3 generations or so.

    • leftists are delusional

      Yes, you regress to the mean of your ancestor’s average not the societal average.

      • Sick of it

        Shouldn’t go back more than 4 generations at that. Too many biological changes.

      • Brian

        Each family has a deck of cards that’s stacked one way or the other, but each child has to draw a hand from that deck. Regardless of the quality of luck in your parents’ draws, you’re still pulling from the family deck.

  • Evette Coutier

    The old saw, “You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’ s ear,” comes to mind. I guess the entire academic community must have skipped the day they covered that saying in third grade.

    • e2657383

      *Gated academic community.

  • MBlanc46

    They cover just about every base except the average IQ of 87.

  • cablegirls

    I’m surprised no one here has addressed what I clearly see as the that r point of this Columbus Dispatch story. It was the Dispatch itself which read the data and pointed out that even when the playing field is level — that is, when black students live in affluent neighborhoods and attend “white” schools — the black students lag the white students as badly as ghetto black kids do.

    The point — that black kids on average just aren’t as intelligent as white kids, on average — would come as no surprise, of course, to the race realists who’ve seen the same results over and over again from past similar comparisons.

    So what say the parents and professionals interviewed for this article about said data? It’s not clear whether or not the Dispatch writers illustrated their findings to these people, but it’s pretty obvious that at least the professionals would know about these affluent student disparities. Yet they still sidestep the issue and go straight to their standard talking points. Head in the sand. The machine must eat.

    I came to a full stop, by the way, at Ms. Ushomirsky’s contention that “studies have found that black and Latino students are less likely to be placed in advanced courses, even if they show promise in a subject.” I highly, highly doubt this — in these times there’s coast to coast bending over backward to usher forward any black student who could possibly qualify for such study — and wonder exactly what those studies actually reported and how Ms. U, whose livelihood depends on finding inequalities in education, spun it to into her particular talking points.

  • bubo

    Why is it so hard for these people to accept the fact that whites have advantages in IQ over blacks? People accept without question that blacks are faster runners but we must delude ourselves to believing that all the races are equal in intelligence when in nature, NOTHING IS EQUAL!

    Why do so many want to believe in this fairy tail of equality?

    • SFLBIB

      “Why do so many want to believe in this fairy tail of equality?”

      Because the basic postulate [assumed true without proof] of the liberal is that differences are due to discrimination; therefore, the only way to be moral is not to discriminate … between anything, because an act of discrimination is a reflection of personal bigotry. Consequently, non-discrimination is a moral imperative because its opposite is the evil of having discriminated and being judgmental and therefore bigotry.

    • Brian

      In other words, why do they think evolution only applies to the paint job?

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    Study after study showing what those who choose to see the world with an honest eye have known for hundreds, even thousands of years. Yet, what do the delusional egalitarian Liberals do every time reality smacks the piss out of their face, like a women in a John Wayne film? They simply pick up their hammer and continue trying to beat that square peg into the round hole. What I worry about is when the delusional egalitarian Liberals finally except realities massive bitch slap for what it is.

    Only to come up with a new plan to chip away at the circle shaped hole, in the hopes of turning it into a much more satisfying square shaped hole. Come to think of it, we may very well be witnessing the beginning of this strategy change from up lifting blacks, to dragging down whites right now. With such things like the school who decided to cut funding and close up it’s Science labs because it was used mostly by white students.

    • SFLBIB

      “…when the delusional egalitarian Liberals finally except realities…”

      They never will; they wouldn’t be liberals if they did. They are the authors of political correctness: the rejection of truth that conflicts with their ideology. It requires that we pretend not to know something that we do know.

  • Who and which have gotten a better understanding of the immigration issue as of late. Notable because they’ve had a race denying reputation over the years. However, they’re probably single handedly responsible for the NYPD not having a civilian review board.

    • Romulus

      I was speaking with D. Giordano last week about just that. Due to the politically incorrect position of discussing race in any political platform, their program direction reflects the need to get the message out, but covertly. Much like fox snooze does. The charge of the evil R. Word can potentially shut down all dialogue. I don’t agree with that position, however, getting the information out in any way we can is paramount to our survival.

    • Sick of it

      But QD, JBS has been telling folks about the overthrow of our nation since the late 50s. They’ve certainly done more than any other group to warn people.

      • They’ve done a pretty good job telling us about symptoms, but are mostly too scared accurately to cite the cause, because that would be “racist.”

        • Sick of it

          Symptoms? No, they’ve been pointing out the cabal of men behind the whole scheme. The WHOLE scheme. And when they name names like a Rockefeller or a Harriman or a Stillman or a Soros or a Rothschild, who do you think they’re pointing out?

  • CharlesFinley

    Do dey be chicken in doze buckets?

  • David Ashton

    This is one of the problems of miscegenation, recognised even by its advocates like Kenneth Dyer.

    • JohnEngelman

      Because Orientals have higher average IQ’s than whites, whites benefit from marrying them.

      • Over here, I’m the brains in the outfit. Sayaka is the well-behaved one.

      • David Ashton

        The races overlap in IQ statistically. They are not stratified in a hierarchy of absolute layers. The fully established average gap between Negrids and Europids, however, is much greater than the less well established average gap between Mongolids and Europids.

        Would the IQ gap between Jews and “white Gentiles” in your view recommend marriage between them to benefit the latter? Would you agree or disagree with Jews concerned about the increasing community “leakage” from marriage with non-Jews? What do you think of the rabbis who claim that this process “completes the genocide that Hitler began”?

        • JohnEngelman

          Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are sub races of Caucasians. Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews, and Reform Jews belong to religious denominations.

          I do not see any reason non religious Jews should not marry people of other races. I am troubled when religious Jews marry people of other faiths, and compromise on religion by not practicing any religion.

          I am intrigued by Messianic Judaism. Many religious Jews view Messianic Jews with more hostility than they view secular Jews who are avowed atheists and sexual libertarians (like Woody Allen). I regret that hostility, but I think I understand the psychology behind it.

          • David Ashton

            The religion that keeps Jews together is a concern of those who object to anyone who “marries out”. I think it probable that Orthodox Jews who are comparatively prolific are less intelligent on average than non-religious Jews who marry shiksas and whose children are gradually lost to the “chosen people” and absorbed into the “goyim”. A diminishing ethnic demographic would be accompanied by a diminishing ethnic intelligence.

            There are of course Orthodox Jews who not only condemn Christian Messianism but regard Jesus himself as an evil heretic actually foretold in the Hebrew scriptures. You are probably already familiar with the adverse references to him in the Talmud and the Toldoth Jeshu.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews who think of Christians as the enemy have been reading too many history books, and not enough newspapers.

            Because the Talmud was written when Christians were persecuting Jews, it would not surprise me if there were “adverse references” to Jesus in it.

            Awhile I read a book by a contemporary Jewish scholar who described Jesus as a “Yiddish Mensch.” The author said that Jewish legal historians describe the Crucifixion as a “judicial murder,: because nearly every safeguard of the Sanhedrin was violated.

          • David Ashton

            The almost certain references to Jesus in the Talmud originate before the persecutions. Jesus was a “mensch” (a great man) though hardly Yiddish.

            Jewish hostility towards Christianity is understandable but if the NT is to be believed, Jews initiated persecution – of the apostolic church.

          • JohnEngelman

            References to Jesus in the Talmud are few and disputed. Christian persecution of Jews was far more prolonged and intense than Jewish persecution of Christians.

          • David Ashton

            References to Jesus in the Talmud are still disputed by a few embarrassed Jewish apologists, but scrupulous modern scholarship (e.g. Peter Schafer) favours the “authenticity” of almost all of them, including nasty ones (e.g. Gittin, on the fate of Jesus after death, which I shall not repeat in “this family newspaper”). Traces of original Jewish opinion are found in Celsus and the NT itself, and it is ironic that Hitler gave a reverse significance to the paternity issue and the crucifixion. The Talmud is quite different in religious tone from the “Old” Testament.

            Of course, you are right about the length and intensity of Christian persecution of Jews, whether Catholic (esp. Chrysostom) or Protestant (esp. Luther). I get the impression, as a general rule, that Jews were often annoying but that Gentiles reacted with horrible violence; “Esau’s tears” again. It wasn’t simply a matter of intellectual or financial envy.

            “For Jews, the loss of the Temple – and with it self-determination – was a punishment by God. Until the Messiah came, they would be suspended in an eternal present framed by exile and suffering…. European thinkers from Voltaire to Hegel regarded the Jews as a bizarre and unpleasant anomaly…. Some radicals were willing to set aside the charge of deicide but nearly everyone agreed that the Jews were an alien people with obnoxious traits [which] justified their politcal and social exclusion” – Professor David Cesarani, “New Statesman”, September 6-12, 2013, p.40.

          • stewball

            Ah so Maimonadies! Was stupid? What a statement. All our religious books were written by very clever, very intelligent, very religious Jews. You can’t just say that those who marry out are more intelligent.

          • David Ashton

            I don’t think Maimonides was stupid; in fact, I referred to him in some other post (I think in reference to black slavery) with a contrary implication. The contents of the Babylonian Talmud are very learned, often clever, but quite strange to non-Jews. I don’t think that Jews who marry out are necessarily more intelligent than those who don’t. I favor maintaining ethnic continuity all round, so far as possible.

  • Reverend Bacon

    “accepted” vs. “excepted”; “tail” vs. “tale”; “women” vs. “woman”; “it’s” vs. “its.”
    Here’s a friendly reminder to all of you that the eyes of the liberal world are upon us. Poor grammar and spelling, and blatant malapropisms, will be remembered and quoted by them long after your points have been ignored. This is especially important when opining on a subject like intelligence. If one has superior intelligence, one should consider using it.

    • Erasmus

      Your point is well taken, but, nevertheless, few lefties are going to know a restrictive from a nonrestrictive clause, and they wouldn’t recognize a temporal or conditional clause if one bit them on their progressive backsides.

  • canto

    This is just more good news for the academic racial gap industry. This is the perfect industry because it supports, with never ending grant$, efforts to solve a problem which – this is the best part – never can be solved (due to the racial IQ gap which can’t be mentioned). Such a deal!

    So politicians, you just keep dishing out all those taxpayer billions to all those eager gap industry educationists, who, don’t you know, are just about to turn the corner (as always) in solving this. Such a deal!

  • Alexandra1973

    Goes to show that poverty isn’t the cause.
    But somehow “white privilege” will be blamed.

    • If poverty is not the cause, what about “racism” and de turrble, turrble legacy ob de slabery?

      Do those excuses still work?

  • Erasmus

    After the country bankrupts itself trying to salvage the unsalvageable, it will end.

  • Erasmus

    Every single algebra question was on that level and the blacks with their “masters” in education still complained the test was too difficult for them.

    Help me out. Is that laugh-out-loud funny or just pathetic?

  • Sick of it

    By the way, Kerry is signing the UN Small Arms Treaty as a supposed representative of the United States.

    • Puggg

      Let ’em. If it makes him feel good about himself, then who are we to deny him? It’s not getting anywhere near 67 votes in the Senate.

      • Sick of it

        I hope not, but these days up is down, white is black, etc.

    • Romulus

      For those that keep there eyes on the larger picture, the coalescing of north America can’t happen unless the country is flooded and it’s citizens disarmed just like the EU did. The elites will have no racial wars or instability to keeping this gigantic machine running. If the inputs cannot be acquired by oil wars and middle eastern strategic political posturing, then joining the north American continent might stave off collapse for awhile. Even if the white birth dearth continued unabated, it will not slow the rest of the worlds, so eventually earths humans will find themselves in a quagmire of to many consumers and inadequate resources.

      • Sick of it

        We did so much better on our own, with little or no imports from other countries. Lousy globalists.

  • Sick of it

    And then there’s the issue of prefrontal cortex complexity.

  • Brian

    Ultimately, though, there is no magic bullet.

    Sure there is; it’s called eugenics.

    Some experts such as Ushomirsky argue for school-level solutions, such as pairing top teachers with low-performing students.

    And who is going to teach the average and gifted students then?

    • WR_the_realist

      Indeed. We are constantly sowing the best seed on barren ground, and then wonder why the crops do so poorly.

  • Brian

    Another example , killing is wrong but abortion should be legal.

    Let’s turn that around. Women seeking abortions are disproportionately teenage, unmarried, or black. Forcing those women to have kids they don’t want increases all manner of social dysfunction, which conservatives hate. Yet conservatives don’t want to allow the one eugenic safety valve that is legal? That strikes me as insane.

  • Brian

    Yes, the ‘magic mulatto’. The luckier ones get the smart genes from the combination, yet get to suck on the teat of affirmative action also. And the pure Spanish criollo or Argentinian half-Spanish, half-German gets the advantages that were intended to help the short brown Spanish/Aztec mestizos.

  • MikeofAges

    Part of the social capital resides in an infrastructure that is external to the individual or the individual’s family. In other, and more simple words, it resides in the matter of policy and hospitability of institutions to people. How is it that young women from a ghetto or barrio environment could so much more culturally capable of advancement that white women from relatively disadvantaged backgrounds? Cultural outlook and self-abnegation, that “I want nothing for me, and I want nothing for you, too” attitude, plays a role. But so does the availability of outreach in all forms.

    The author of this book, I suspect, is strongly Freudian in her psychological views. The Freudian view is that people who have not received certain ministrations during their upbringing generally are not capable of higher accomplishment. This view is a secular counterpart of Calvinism and parallels the Social Darwinism concept as well.

    There is something to be said for being consistent. I sometimes post comments on a black cultural website I got on the email list for, and said the same thing there.

    I get to wake up with a clear conscience. By the end of the day, I’m not always so sure though. But it is interesting how when you present the same ideas to different audiences, they come across very differently.

  • MikeofAges

    The author you are thinking of may be Annette Lareau. Her majors published are “Home Advantage: Social Class and Parental Intervention in Elementary Education (1989)” and “Unequal Childhoods: Class, Race, and Family Life (2003)”

    An other female sociologist who has published on this topic is Teresa Ciabattari of Pacific Lutheran University in Tacoma, WA She published a journal article titled “Cultural capital, social capital, and educational inequality”.

    Both of these scholars emphasize the idea that socioeconomic and cultural class plays a large role than race in forming the outlook horizons of young people as they grow up. This is an idea I, myself, have at times brought up in this forum.

    Particularly, I noted that Trayvon Martin represented a well-known lower-middle class type not really so different from the “James Dean youth” of the 1950s or the “cornerboys” of the Studs Lonigan era. Many of them came to bad and early ends too. Self-destructiveness is one the type’s salient traits. But it can work itself out in many ways. Street fighting, motor vehicle accidents and addiction, always alcohol and in more recent decades drugs, are the most common modes.

    Another cultural source for the idea that people from working class and lower middle class backgrounds should limit their aspiration is the traditional Catholic Church. Before the 1960s, the church opposed education beyond high school for young people who were not from families that already were gentrified or who were not clearly academically gifted. Either or both of these scholars, and others too, could have been influenced by the residue of this idea.