The STEM Crisis Is a Myth

Robert N. Charette, IEEE Spectrum, August 30, 2013

You must have seen the warning a thousand times: Too few young people study scientific or technical subjects, businesses can’t find enough workers in those fields, and the country’s competitive edge is threatened.

It pretty much doesn’t matter what country you’re talking about—the United States is facing this crisis, as is Japan, the United KingdomAustraliaChina,BrazilSouth AfricaSingaporeIndia . . . the list goes on. In many of these countries, the predicted shortfall of STEM (short for science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) workers is supposed to number in the hundreds of thousands or even the millions. A 2012 report by President Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, for instance, stated that over the next decade, 1 million additional STEM graduates will be needed. In the U.K., the Royal Academy of Engineering reported last year that the nation will have to graduate 100 000 STEM majors every year until 2020 just to stay even with demand. Germany, meanwhile, is said to have a shortage of about 210 000 workers in what’s known there as the MINT disciplines—mathematics, computer science, natural sciences, and technology.

The situation is so dismal that governments everywhere are now pouring billions of dollars each year into myriad efforts designed to boost the ranks of STEM workers. President Obama has called for government and industry to train 10,000 new U.S. engineers every year as well as 100 000 additional STEM teachers by 2020. And until those new recruits enter the workforce, tech companies like Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft are lobbying to boost the number of H-1B visas—temporary immigration permits for skilled workers—from 65,000 per year to as many as 180,000. The European Union is similarly introducing the new Blue Card visa to bring in skilled workers from outside the EU. The government of India has said it needs to add 800 new universities, in part to avoid a shortfall of 1.6 million university-educated engineers by the end of the decade.

And yet, alongside such dire projections, you’ll also find reports suggesting just the opposite—that there are more STEM workers than suitable jobs. One study found, for example, that wages for U.S. workers in computer and math fields have largely stagnated since 2000. Even as the Great Recession slowly recedes, STEM workers at every stage of the career pipeline, from freshly minted grads to mid- and late-career Ph.D.s, still struggle to find employment as many companies, including Boeing, IBM, and Symantec, continue to lay off thousands of STEM workers.

To parse the simultaneous claims of both a shortage and a surplus of STEM workers, we’ll need to delve into the data behind the debate, how it got going more than a half century ago, and the societal, economic, and nationalistic biases that have perpetuated it. And what that dissection reveals is that there is indeed a STEM crisis—just not the one everyone’s been talking about. The real STEM crisis is one of literacy: the fact that today’s students are not receiving a solid grounding in science, math, and engineering.

In preparing this article, I went through hundreds of reports, articles, and white papers from the past six decades. There were plenty of data, but there was also an extraordinary amount of inconsistency. Who exactly is a STEM worker: somebody with a bachelor’s degree or higher in a STEM discipline? Somebody whose job requires use of a STEM subject? What about someone who manages STEM workers? And which disciplines and industries fall under the STEM umbrella?

Such definitions obviously affect the counts. For example, in the United States, both the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the Department of Commerce track the number of STEM jobs, but using different metrics. According to Commerce, 7.6 million individuals worked in STEM jobs in 2010, or about 5.5 percent of the U.S. workforce. That number includes professional and technical support occupations in the fields of computer science and mathematics, engineering, and life and physical sciences as well as management. The NSF, by contrast, counts 12.4 million science and engineering jobs in the United States, including a number of areas that the Commerce Department excludes, such as health-care workers (4.3 million) and psychologists and social scientists (518 000).


Another surprise was the apparent mismatch between earning a STEM degree and having a STEM job. Of the 7.6 million STEM workers counted by the Commerce Department, only 3.3 million possess STEM degrees. Viewed another way, about 15 million U.S. residents hold at least a bachelor’s degree in a STEM discipline, but three-fourths of them—11.4 million—work outside of STEM.

The departure of STEM graduates to other fields starts early. In 2008, the NSF surveyed STEM graduates who’d earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees in 2006 and 2007. It found that 2 out of 10 were already working in non-STEM fields. And 10 years after receiving a STEM degree, 58 percent of STEM graduates had left the field, according to a 2011 study from Georgetown University.

The takeaway? At least in the United States, you don’t need a STEM degree to get a STEM job, and if you do get a degree, you won’t necessarily work in that field after you graduate. If there is in fact a STEM worker shortage, wouldn’t you expect more people with STEM degrees to be filling those jobs? And if many STEM jobs can be filled by people who don’t have STEM degrees, then why the big push to get more students to pursue STEM?

Now consider the projections that suggest a STEM worker shortfall. One of the most cited in recent U.S. debates comes from the 2011 Georgetown University report mentioned above, by Anthony P. Carnevale, Nicole Smith, and Michelle Melton of the Center on Education and the Workforce. It estimated there will be slightly more than 2.4 million STEM job openings in the United States between 2008 and 2018, with 1.1 million newly created jobs and the rest to replace workers who retire or move to non-STEM fields; they conclude that there will be roughly 277,000 STEM vacancies per year.

But the Georgetown study did not fully account for the Great Recession. It projected a downturn in 2009 but then a steady increase in jobs beginning in 2010 and a return to normal by the year 2018. In fact, though, more than 370,000 science and engineering jobs in the United States were lost in 2011, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

I don’t mean to single out this study for criticism; it just illustrates the difficulty of accurately predicting STEM demand and supply even a year or two out, let alone over a prolonged period. Highly competitive science- and technology-driven industries are volatile, where radical restructurings and boom-and-bust cycles have been the norm for decades. Many STEM jobs today are also targets for outsourcing or replacement by automation.

The nature of STEM work has also changed dramatically in the past several decades. In engineering, for instance, your job is no longer linked to a company but to a funded project. Long-term employment with a single company has been replaced by a series of de facto temporary positions that can quickly end when a project ends or the market shifts. {snip}

Any of these factors can affect both short-term and longer-term demand for STEM workers, as well as for the particular skills those workers will need. {snip}

So is there a shortfall of STEM workers or isn’t there?

The Georgetown study estimates that nearly two-thirds of the STEM job openings in the United States, or about 180,000 jobs per year, will require bachelor’s degrees. Now, if you apply the Commerce Department’s definition of STEM to the NSF’s annual count of science and engineering bachelor’s degrees, that means about 252,000 STEM graduates emerged in 2009. So even if all the STEM openings were entry-level positions and even if only new STEM bachelor’s holders could compete for them, that still leaves 70,000 graduates unable to get a job in their chosen field.

Of course, the pool of U.S. STEM workers is much bigger than that: It includes new STEM master’s and Ph.D. graduates (in 2009, around 80,000 and 25,000, respectively), STEM associate degree graduates (about 40,000), H-1B visa holders (more than 50,000), other immigrants and visa holders with STEM degrees, technical certificate holders, and non-STEM degree recipients looking to find STEM-related work. And then there’s the vast number of STEM degree holders who graduated in previous years or decades.


What’s perhaps most perplexing about the claim of a STEM worker shortage is that many studies have directly contradicted it, including reports from Duke University, the Rochester Institute of Technology, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, and the Rand Corp. A 2004 Rand study, for example, stated that there was no evidence “that such shortages have existed at least since 1990, nor that they are on the horizon.”

That report argued that the best indicator of a shortfall would be a widespread rise in salaries throughout the STEM community. But the price of labor has not risen, as you would expect it to do if STEM workers were scarce. In computing and IT, wages have generally been stagnant for the past decade, according to the EPI and other analyses. And over the past 30 years, according to the Georgetown report, engineers’ and engineering technicians’ wages have grown the least of all STEM wages and also more slowly than those in non-STEM fields; while STEM workers as a group have seen wages rise 33 percent and non-STEM workers’ wages rose by 23 percent, engineering salaries grew by just 18 percent. The situation is even more grim for those who get a Ph.D. in science, math, or engineering. The Georgetown study states it succinctly: “At the highest levels of educational attainment, STEM wages are not competitive.”

Given all of the above, it is difficult to make a case that there has been, is, or will soon be a STEM labor shortage. “If there was really a STEM labor market crisis, you’d be seeing very different behaviors from companies,” notes Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at the Rochester Institute of Technology, in New York state. “You wouldn’t see companies cutting their retirement contributions, or hiring new workers and giving them worse benefits packages. Instead you would see signing bonuses, you’d see wage increases. You would see these companies really training their incumbent workers.”

“None of those things are observable,” Hira says. “In fact, they’re operating in the opposite way.”


Clearly, powerful forces must be at work to perpetuate the cycle. One is obvious: the bottom line. Companies would rather not pay STEM professionals high salaries with lavish benefits, offer them training on the job, or guarantee them decades of stable employment. So having an oversupply of workers, whether domestically educated or imported, is to their benefit. It gives employers a larger pool from which they can pick the “best and the brightest,” and it helps keep wages in check. No less an authority than Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, said as much when in 2007 he advocated boosting the number of skilled immigrants entering the United States so as to “suppress” the wages of their U.S. counterparts, which he considered too high.

Governments also push the STEM myth because an abundance of scientists and engineers is widely viewed as an important engine for innovation and also for national defense. And the perception of a STEM crisis benefits higher education, says Ron Hira, because as “taxpayers subsidize more STEM education, that works in the interest of the universities” by allowing them to expand their enrollments.

An oversupply of STEM workers may also have a beneficial effect on the economy, says Georgetown’s Nicole Smith, one of the coauthors of the 2011 STEM study. If STEM graduates can’t find traditional STEM jobs, she says, “they will end up in other sectors of the economy and be productive.”

The problem with proclaiming a STEM shortage when one doesn’t exist is that such claims can actually create a shortage down the road, Teitelbaum says. When previous STEM cycles hit their “bust” phase, up-and-coming students took note and steered clear of those fields, as happened in computer science after the dot-com bubble burst in 2001.


A broader view, I and many others would argue, is that everyone needs a solid grounding in science, engineering, and math. In that sense, there is indeed a shortage—a STEM knowledge shortage. To fill that shortage, you don’t necessarily need a college or university degree in a STEM discipline, but you do need to learn those subjects, and learn them well, from childhood until you head off to college or get a job. Improving everyone’s STEM skills would clearly be good for the workforce and for people’s employment prospects, for public policy debates, and for everyday tasks like balancing checkbooks and calculating risks. And, of course, when science, math, and engineering are taught well, they engage students’ intellectual curiosity about the world and how it works.

Many children born today are likely to live to be 100 and to have not just one distinct career but two or three by the time they retire at 80. Rather than spending our scarce resources on ending a mythical STEM shortage, we should figure out how to make all children literate in the sciences, technology, and the arts to give them the best foundation to pursue a career and then transition to new ones. And instead of continuing our current global obsession with STEM shortages, industry and government should focus on creating more STEM jobs that are enduring and satisfying as well.

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  • Diversity Awareness Brigade

    Whatever makes a minority of the White community all the faster will be framed as “an urgent crisis which we must address with immigration reform and a path for citizenship for the stranger among us (no blonde, blue eyed Germans need apply).”

    • negrolocaust

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  • bigone4u

    Shortage of ANY workers in the USA? No way. All just another manufactured fake crisis designed to destroy the white middle class. That there are former colleagues of mine at the university knowingly perpetuating this myth causes me great shame.

    • Evette Coutier

      Keeping the myth alive keeps more students enrolled in their classes. It’s job security for STEM instructors.

      • bigone4u

        While employed at the university, I considered some of my colleagues prostitutes. My opinion has not changed. They keep their jobs while saddling students with massive debt. Last night I ran into one of my old students, a gay man who had come back to the university to get an education degree in 1999. At age 66, he still has $43,000 of student debt unpaid. I guess payments are taken out of his SS check.

    • sbuffalonative

      The Tech industries have been trying to drive down wages since at least since the late nineties.

  • Puggg

    Can anyone see the glaring contradictions in the third paragraph?

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      Oh yes.

      “And until those new recruits enter the workforce, tech companies like Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft are lobbying to boost the number of H-1B visas.”

      Thinking they only want H-1Bs “until the new recruits enter the workforce” is extremely naive. They want to flood the market with both H-1Bs and a torrent of new American STEM grads to drive STEM wages down into the gutter forever.

      They won’t be happy until they can hire a STEM worker for the same price as an illegal Mexican crop picker.

    • Stentorian_Commentator

      I think I can, through all the blather. Spend money to educate STEM folks here and then import a lot of cheap foreign workers so the ones we educate can’t get jobs. There is a consistency to it, though, from the perspective of the instructors. They will import the students, who will then become the H-1Bs (it’s happening now).

  • Extropico

    Nothing scares the plutocrats as much as the idea of having to pay a market wage.

    • John R

      Or, better yet, just drive down the market wage, by upping the supply of labor. (Business’s way of saying “up yours!” joke.)

  • JohnEngelman

    The nature of STEM work has also changed dramatically in the past several decades. In engineering, for instance, your job is no longer linked to a company but to a funded project. Long-term employment with a single company has been replaced by a series of de facto temporary positions that can quickly end when a project ends or the market shifts.

    – Robert N. Charette, IEEE Spectrum, August 30, 2013

    What this means is that STEM workers frequently work at contract positions lasting three months to a year. These contract positions provide no benefits. A contract advertised as lasting for six months can end abruptly earlier. When the contract is over, the STEM worker must look for another job. This may take months. There may never be another STEM job.

    If the STEM worker finds another job it is likely to be hundreds of miles away. The new employer seldom pays moving expenses.

    STEM work is highly specialized. Employers are not interested in years of general experience. They want years of specific experience. In this economy, and with H1B Visas, they can find it. Employers frequently state in the job advertisement that they are looking for “the perfect candidate,” who “will hit the ground working.”

    • My longest term of employment as a chemist was six years. I was the best in my field in the world, and that’s no exaggeration. It also got me a blood pressure of 175/105 by my 31st birthday. I would like to be able to do that sort of work again, but only part-time and only for the right people.

      I haven’t had a regular job since 2006, and my BP is down to 85/45 – too low to donate blood.

      I miss the money but I also miss my old gun collection, so I won’t go to work for the first unless I can have the second.

      • Bossman

        How were you able to reduce your blood pressure from being so high to being so low? And what was it about the nature of the job that made it hectic? I would think that being a good chemist would make you feel like being master of the world.

        • A large part of the problem was that my Brazilian boss lied like other people breathe. He would make all sorts of insane promises and us guys would have to figure out how to get the work done under completely unrealistic deadlines. My other boss was nicer on the surface, but Larry knew Carlos was lying and went along with it. Carlos had the right idea initially, and the company was run like a research group in grad school. That worked wonderfully. The problem was that as things became a bit too hectic, Larry’s approach was to install layers of dysfunctional bureaucracy. People developed their own petty empires within the company.

          We had a problem with our bismuth 2-ethylhexanoate precursor for SrBi2Ta/Nb2O9 and I figured out exactly what was wrong, but nobody would listen. Finally, some of the Indian H1b process engineers ran an experiment I had suggested that proved me right, but I wasn’t told about this until six months later, by their boss, not my own. I’ll never work with an Indian again for the rest of my life, and I’ll never work for any company that hires them.

          The bismuth precursor had been overheated, which reduced it to only vaguely oxidized forms. During anneals of the thin films, this allowed conductive oxygen vacancies to form in the perovskite lattice and worse, metallic bismuth aggregated into the grain boundaries. Of course these test capacitors all shorted.

          I’m much happier raising my daughter than I ever was busting my back working to make other people rich.

          • Bossman

            Thanks for the reply but you still did not answer what was responsible for the great change in your blood pressure.

          • MikeofAges

            If you don’t know about the effects of commuting, trash diets, sleep deprivation, the stress of working for implied rewards that are never delivered and so on, you never will.

          • Beloved Comrade

            Many of us now are forced to commute long distances to avoid living in fourth world hell and sending our children to schools trashed by de coloreds.
            We also (myself included) work the jobs of two or three people now who have been laid off and not replaced i.e., their jobs became our jobs. If we don’t comply or like it, there is a fresh H1B worker ready to take our place. I stopped taking my blood pressure years ago.

          • MikeofAges

            I forgot about that one. Doing the jobs of at least one and a half people.

            “Fourth world” is an exaggeration. But we have plenty of Second- and Third- World here in America. Even some white enclaves resemble “Second World” conditions.

          • Not working in that environment anymore is what did it.

          • Bossman

            These were extreme conditions.

  • Spartacus

    “Many children born today are likely to live to be 100 and to have not
    just one distinct career but two or three by the time they retire at 80.”


    People retire at 80 in the US ?

    • bigone4u

      Many in their 50s have been forcibily retired by the New World Order’s Obama economy. Back in the 90s a little white man named Ross Perot warned that Amerika would become jobless due to NAFTA. He was right, but not only NAFTA, but also the NAD bank, most favored nation treaties, etc. have driven jobs overseas and many have no job prospects.

    • NM156

      Those born in 2013 may very well retire at 80 and have a life expectancy of 100.

    • negrolocaust

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  • Daniel Schmuhl

    I’m not going to going into the specifics of high skilled labor but there is no need for STEM immigrants.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Yes, I can’t tell you the number of Indians I know who have sponsored their parents to the US (claiming hat they will support them), and then get them on SSI. Just another huge cost to the taxpayers subsidizing the cheap labor lobby.

  • Vonhauer

    This flames my hide like little else! I graduated with a Master’s in Computer Science in 2000 — top 1% of my class and couldn’t buy a job in my field!

    I was forced to go into a completely different occupation. My degree is essentially a worthless piece of lamb’s hide.

    I have friends who worked for Boeing Aircraft that were forced to train H1-B workers from India to take their OWN jobs! The Indians were hired, my friends fired!

    Who is involved in this sham? Nearly everyone. Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, the list includes ALL the big players. May they burn in hell.

    • MBlanc46

      “May they burn in hell.”

      And may we all do our part in bringing that outcome about.

    • Ella

      I also had friends who went through major lay-offs as companies lost contracts or merged. They were engineers and programmers with 8 plus years of experience. They now work different jobs outside their expertise or work contract-related positions, which end at job completion. To mention, some chemical engineers left the country to find jobs!!!

  • borogirl54

    My brother in law has been working as a computer programmer ever since he came out of a trade school over 30 years ago. He has never completed a Bachelor’s Degree in any STEM field but has been consistently employed since he finished school.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      How many times has he had to change jobs? And how has his income changed since 2000? Just wondering if his experience has paralleled mine.

    • Bossman

      He must be programing in one of those old obsolete languages.

    • Beloved Comrade

      Because hardware engineers are in demand over software engineers.

  • bigone4u

    The university would routinely claim that it could not fill professor positions with an American, and would then do the government paperwork to hire a foreigner with a doctoral degree. I know this was a lie because I rountinely gave them names of American doctoral degree holders who were looking for jobs. They ignored Americans because the turban tops would work cheaper and did not believe in academic freedom. I can believe that mechanics and repairmen are hard to find because everyone has been brainwashed into going to college rather than trade school. In economics we teach that as wages rise for mechanics more people will go that way and the shortage will go away.

    • M&S

      I can believe that mechanics and repairmen are hard to find because everyone has been brainwashed into going to college rather than trade school. In economics we teach that as wages rise for mechanics more people will go that way and the shortage will go away.

      No because it’s not a strict market rebalancing it’s a permanently perishable _resources_ loss.
      As a living resource goes away, the institutional knowledge base, equipment and logistical chains to support that skilled labor goes away too. And the resource is reexploited by designing single-use cycled engines which are replaced as complete powerpacks along with transmissions and electrical and eventually whole cars.
      Such is how America is being divide et empera’d to death based on class assumptions that /their/ job will always be needed when in fact their job depends on people being willing or able to pay for a SYSTEM which is no longer in place.
      Of course the ‘resource’, as labor, is still present elsewhere (China yearly grads 50% of their students with STEM degrees according to _Wired For War_) but where the point is to create waste so that you can create more jobs to cover the waste with planned obsolescence rather than active repair, owning a piece of each of those jobs that sells the as-new replacement maintains the stocks and bondage by which ownership ‘makes a broader base of profit’.
      Of course profit does not equal participancy or utility except through the false concept of capitalization (i.e. believing in the illusion of money).
      It’s just cheaper to own a Chinese STEM graduates efforts in his own country, forcing the U.S. market to pay full price and raking in a massive markup in the process, than it is to share out the wealth within an internal market system that is self regulating and non inflationary because it can never outsource more than it needs.
      Distributionist-Centrist economics is thus an utter failure as deliberate fraud, thermodynamically, because it directly contradicts the Three Laws:
      1. You can never get more Work Product Out than you put Energy (as resources, including living wages that keep jobs open in the home markets) in.
      2. You can never have a more efficient E->WP-> process than the total number of process steps inbetween because each added step (distribution principally) adds energy loss as inefficiency.
      3. All systems are entropic as a function of finite resources and increasing demand eventually destroying the functional method by which E->WP-> is efficiently achievable. Like an engine that works fine on high octane gasoline getting worse and worse as you water down the fuel.
      True Mercantilism is the driven and unforgiving pursuit of conserving the value of innate resources by forcing all others to pay in trade more than the value of what the ‘going rate’ for that item is, on an internal market basis. Whether in representative coin or other resources.
      When the U.S. lost market control over that (via technology proliferation as outsourcing, among other things) they instantly made the entire world competitive as slave labor states in which the profit goes to those who own the oil, the ships, the plasticization plants, the trucks and trains and manufactories, the packaging and longshoremen and more ships and planes and trucks and cranes as the distribution network.
      ‘Profit’ is all class division virtual as an illusory means to empower those who already have wealth while denying it to all others. This is what Marx and Engels meant when they said the illusion of social mobility was a trap as ones and zeroes are carefully added up to make sure the -class balance- remains exactly the same as access to goods and services.
      This is where the crash will start when everyone wants something, and only those who can barter a straight resource trade will be able to get it because everyone is tired of paying the middle men whose only worth was their one time control over the moneys (the scaleability of which says that one dollar is worth 1,000 Rupiya) and if that mercantile protectionism, having long since slacked, no longer grants them exclusive, cheap, access (or in fact never did if they are one of the third world cogs) they will dump the money changers for direct trade.
      Or war.
      It’s amazing how many nominally smart people die in wars that they themselves engendered, seeking to lever themselves up, ‘beyond their station’, by stepping on the necks of others.
      It doesn’t happen very often but the barbarians love it because it’s their one chance every dozen generations or so, to become the new hoi poloi.
      Think about that when you look at the crime rates of Blacks and the quiet infiltration of Mexicans.

  • JohnEngelman

    A degree in STEM might not be marketable, but a degree in the social sciences or humanities rarely is, unless like Jared Taylor, one goes to an elite university.

    Any education after high school needs to be job and career oriented. Look for a field where there are more openings than people qualified to fill the openings. Look for a field that is not specialized, and which does not change rapidly.

    • ShermanTMcCoy


    • Since we’re here, I believe it is quite obvious that Mr. Taylor has created his own job.

  • JohnEngelman

    The reason it is difficult for employers to fill positions for IT workers, engineers, and technicians is because these fields are highly specialized, and because employers do not want to train employees and give them learning curves.

  • DelmarJackson

    Immigration is a racket, it is a transfer of money from labor to capital. Those that favor it almost always profit from it, and then pass on all the social, economic and environmental costs to the communities, and the smear all who speak out against immigration as racist to shut up all debate.
    Economics Professor Borjas of Harvard, who is one of the few in America to have studied the effects of immigration on labor, has concluded that there is a small economic benefit from the current massive level of immigration, but only those that hire the immigrants and the immigrants themselves capture the benefit, leaving the rest of us to pay for our own dispossession.

    • I agree. This battle of immigration, political correctness, multiculti etc is a battle of Capital vs Labor.

      Nonwhites are the weapon of Capital against the white majority.

      This is a battle of whites vs corporations…in america, in europe, canada, australia.

      The nonwhites are being encouraged to be aggressive, to be pushy, to push their way into white societies. Capital, the corporations, want lower wages, and nonwhites are the weapon they use against the white majority.

      This is war.

      And our enemy aint no Al Qaeda. It is Capital.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        A lot of truth there. Perhaps an oversimplification, but then I (and many others here) see the racial aspect of our destruction, and crony capitalism as one of the tools to achieve it.

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    I LOVE this guy!!!

  • Vonhauer

    Oh yes. You would not believe how common this was between 1999 and 2005. Thousands of American citizens were duped into getting computer-related degrees because of the supposed enormous demand for high-tech workers. The U.S. Commerce Dept. projected huge shortages. Thousands of students changed their majors with the false assurance that they would have no problem getting a job after graduating. It was all a big lie and thousands of lives were damaged. Financial debt and years of study wasted. I already had a degree in mathematics so I got by.

    Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett Packard, and many more lobbied congress for more H1-B workers claiming they could not find Americans for their jobs. This was all corporate greed. They saved millions by not hiring Americans.

    I went through hell and back trying to find a job but I survived. I am a software engineer/programmer only as a hobby, my expensive degree being now worthless.

    • Jenkem Huffington

      I also threw away years of my life getting an IT degree. There is very little I learned in those years that added any value to my life. Really the first 2 years of college was largely spent amongst muds “learning” the stuff I had covered in 3rd year high school (1 spade in graduating class of 300+)
      I was certainly sold a false bill of goods there. I was even working on a masters for about a year but luckily realized that wouldn’t really help either and that half the classes I had to take were still all propaganda, and redundancy of things I already knew.
      I do a small retail business and have a farm that I am growing slowly. In truth, I should have taken a loan and bought 20 acres and a tractor 20 years ago and I’d be way ahead of where I am today. Believe it or not, if you’re not afraid of actual work, there’s plenty of opportunity to have a good life.

      • watling

        I spent 2 years getting an IT Masters degree while also working full time. The effort made me ill. Now I’m in a non-STEM job with no prospect of returning to a STEM career because every job I see advertised is swamped with applicants.

        There is no shortage of STEM skilled applicants.

  • John R

    Hardest jobs to fill? Huh! Give me a (bleep, sorry moderator), break! I DON’T BELIEVE IT!

  • John R

    Yeah, but much easier to just lobby their local congressman to import more turban heads.

  • John R

    Big difference. The auto workers belonged to UNIONS! And the government in those days was not importing turban heads to compete with them. Totally different situation with today’s tech workers, who must compete with others in the marketplace, as well as with cheap foreign labor imported by their government. No, you ARE defending a greedy industry.

  • you know that there is only one way to end this–buncha rich folks, tv talking heads, politicians, etc, all hanging from ropes. It will not end till that transpires.

  • JohnEngelman

    Employers claim that they do not have time to train people. As long as they are swamped with job applicants they do not need to.

  • Sick of it

    HA! They don’t hire #5 out of college anymore just about. And apparently there are enough accountants with years of experience floating around to take the jobs that come open. And then there’s the conversion from permanent positions to temporary placements, as well as increases in automation of accounting activities…AND outsourcing!

  • MikeofAges

    One thing should be obvious enough. If there is a need to develop native born people in STEM fields, that effort should be focused more on whites than on blacks or Hispanics. And on men more than women, frankly. Nothing against blacks and Hispanics succeeding if they can, but white men have proven their ability over centuries, literal millennia actually. East Asians have proven their ability as well, but their numbers are small.

  • Earl Turner

    I can tell you first hand why mechanics are hard to find. The qualified ones already have jobs that they intend to keep. The repair shops that are constantly advertising for open positions and complaining about how hard it is to find someone have only themselves to blame. Low pay, crappy working conditions, inadequate tooling and information access, and of course you have the shops that locate in the middle of the ghetto because it’s cheaper but get swamped with Obama voters for customers.

  • Beloved Comrade

    The NSF, by contrast, counts 12.4 million science and engineering jobs in the United States, including a number of areas that the Commerce Department excludes, such as health-care workers (4.3 million) and psychologists and social scientists (518 000).

    On what planet are health-care workers, psychologists and social scientists considered a part of STEM? Oh that’s right. In obongo’s NWO anything or anyone can be STEM. Words — or acronyms — mean whatever the NWO wants them to mean.

    I and many others would argue, is that everyone needs a solid grounding in science, engineering, and math.

    Everyone does not need a solid grounding in science engineering and math. These fields take a certain IQ level just to handle the basic mathematics alone, an IQ that excludes 90% of de coloreds.
    Not mentioned in the article is the ongoing and deliberate race-replacement of whites in STEM fields. American whites put a men on the moon and safely returned them without looking for the “best and brightest” in fourth world countries like India or China. That we need the best and brightest from the fourth world is another specious lie and myth used to race-replace white American males in the workforce.

  • smaller is better. That means breaking up the federal union

  • Jenkem Huffington

    Ross Perot was a Rockefeller agent. His “run” for the presidency was merely to split the conservative vote to elect Bill Clinton. He did his job.

  • watling

    I have also spent most of my working life in IT. I have a so-called STEM degree but now find myself in a non-STEM job.

    Sometime in the 1990s the burden of ensuring adequate training seemed to switch from the employer to the employee. I can recall going on two week and one week courses but they dried up and then you were simply expected to magically know all you needed to know to do your job.

    If there is a genuine shortage of STEM graduates why aren’t employers contacting skilled people like me? The answer is that immigrants accept low wages and they boost a company’s ethnic minority headcount.

  • JohnEngelman

    When Henry Ford opened his first assembly line to build Model T Fords he paid twice the going rate for factory work. Other factory owners called him a socialist. They were really angry because by paying his workers more he required them to pay their workers more to keep them from quitting and working for Ford.

    Henry Ford replied, “I want my workers to be able to afford the cars they build.”

    That attitude has disappeared from the employer class. Now, employers would rather increase profits by cutting pay checks and pay rolls than by attracting new customers.

    • Charles W.

      That probably has a lot to do with the fact that “the employer class” now looks a lot less like Henry Ford and a lot more like a certain group of people that Henry Ford tried to warn us about.

      • JohnEngelman

        Republicans often complain that while Jews have the incomes of Episcopalians, they vote like Puerto Ricans.

        Jews are prosperous because they are intelligent. They are liberals because they have a collective memory of the poverty of the ghetto and the shtetl.

        Antisemites blame Jews for liberal social changes they do not like, and for negative aspects of capitalism.

        Antisemitism is motivated by envy of Jewish superior intelligence and the wealth and power it earns Jews.

        • Sloppo

          Some people who self identify as Jews are just like you describe and I count some of them among my trusted friends. On the other hand, a particular subset of the world’s population which self-identifies as “Jewish” is very powerful and hostile to my people. It is described in Revelation 3:9.

        • Paul

          ‘they have a collective memory of the poverty of the ghetto’??

          I think Engelman has laid all his cards on the table now. There’s no reason at all for him to be coming to this site except trolling.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have always made it clear that I love Jews, Judaism and Israel.

          • Beetlejuice

            Then you can go fight their wars for them in the Middle East.

          • JohnEngelman

            Given the opportunity I would.

            The only reason I supported the War in the Gulf was because I saw Iraq as a threat to Israel.

          • Did you ever visit Israel when you were young enough they would conscript you as a visiting Jewish male of military age? If I’d been Jewish, I’d have done it, but then I was never a coward.

          • I supported it because Soddamn Insane had sent his army to invade and conquer a nation friendly to his own and then annexed it as an imaginary “lost province” while mistreating the locals and pillaging the place. I’m no fan of Muslims, Arabs or their governments, but the 1990 invasion of Kuwait was plainly criminal.

          • JohnEngelman

            The United States military can defeat the military of any country in the world with our high tech weaponry. We are not good at occupying hostile populations that are willing to fight back because we are not ruthless enough.

          • Paul

            Ah.. it’s called bombing Engelman. Not ‘defeating the military of any country’

          • Paul

            You saw what happened to your Israeli ‘military’ when they actually put soldiers on the ground in Lebanon. Ran home like whipped curs.

          • JohnEngelman

            During the Wars of 1948, 1967, and 1973 the Israelis won against overwhelming Arab numbers.

          • Paul

            Yes and we both know it was was achieved with overwhelming amounts of hi tech Materiel provided by Germany, England and other Countries.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Israelis were greatly out numbered. The Soviet Union supplied the Arabs with hi tech material, but the Arabs lacked the intelligence to take full advantage of it.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have made it clear that I love Jews, Judaism, and Israel.

            You have made it clear that you admire Hitler and his Nazis, and regret the outcome of the Second World War.

            I am an asset to American Renaissance. You are an embarrassment.

          • Paul

            Really? have a look at the likes on my comment. There’s literally a million other sites out there for people with your views John. Why keep pretending to be something you’re not.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have never pretended to be what I am not. I have clearly expressed my opinions on many subjects.

        • Beetlejuice

          Yeah, John, anti-semitism is motivated by “Jewish superior intelligence,” and are liberal because of “collective memory of the ghetto and shtetl.”
          Pathetic and laughable.

          Vote down and flag for removal.

          • Bossman

            John is right. Jews have created a formula for success that works. He’s not pathetic and laughable.

          • IstvanIN

            Cunning and tricky can be part of a formula.

          • He’s a Monday-morning quarterback some of the time, precisely because he didn’t go to Israel and serve in the IDF.

            Here’s what the aftermath of a battle looks like: three burned-out M-60 tank wrecks. How many men does anyone think got out of the one in the middle before it blew up?

            Where is the turret?

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Blown clean off, all 15 or 20 tons of it, and now it’s sitting to the right of the burned out tank.

        • Mr. Engelman, I wandered to this website by mistake. My outburst might get us both banned, which isn’t my intent. Jews aren’t like you described, not now. I don’t understand. All the values of my immigrant great grandparents from Zhytomyr are vanishing. Examples Charity should be given anonymously. Ostentatious behavior and self aggrandizement are anathema. Scholars, attorneys, CPAs, teachers and physicians are to be respected! Modesty, family and community are good. Courtesy, curiosity, compassion and honesty are praiseworthy, not disdained.

          This is terrible, but most Jewish men (that I know disavow being Jewish, or they are gay. I don’t know ANY Jewish women. Jewish families are rare other than atavistic neo Orthodox that live in their modern conception of a mittel Europa shtetl and everyone else has to work to support the preservation of their lifestyle. Meanwhile, nonsecular American Jews don’t circumcise their sons, despite the fact that the World Health Organization, millennia of tradition and women say they should! Arab, Persian, Pakistani and southeast Asian men are nicer and more friendly to me than Jewish men. They don’t ridicule religion as “magical thinking”. They marry and have children with Arab, Asian etc. women that their parents approve of, which is what Jews are supposed to do too, yet don’t.

    • He also paid married Christians – and only them – that wage. Did you know?

      • Unions made Henry Ford change his ways. He was not so egalitarian prior to that. However, I don’t challenge what you said regarding that multi-tier salary criteria. I wonder if it continued, even under organized labor.

  • Charles W.

    Syria and Iran are not our enemies. D.C., Wall Street, and Hollywood are.

    • Sloppo

      I’m not sure one way or the other about the first sentence, but I definitely agree with the second one.

  • labman57

    So never mind the numerous comments emanating from management within the tech industry regarding their concerns about a dearth of domestic talent with the necessary skills in math, science, and engineering.

    A lone associate professor claims that he has identified some (non-causal) indicators that suggest otherwise.

    • Libs are We Todd Ed

      The talent is available domestically, the lack is the companies willingness to pay a sufficient salary to attract qualified domestic candidates.

      • Yes, yes, yes. Yet they will not acknowledge what you said!!! It is abundantly obvious. Only those blinded by short sighted greed could believe otherwise.

    • MBlanc46

      “[N]umerous comments emanating from management within the tech industry”.

      Well, that settles it, then, doesn’t it?

  • Libs are We Todd Ed

    Or to boil it down, there is a shortage of candidates who are willing to work for the amount the companies wish to pay.

    Same old story.

  • Funruffian

    You notice that they never consider DNA or IQ in order to identify who the better STEM candidates will be? This is one of the many reasons why I lost faith in the education system. As Davon and Tyreece get their phony diplomas from HS just for showing up, they will be fed a new STEM opportunity by way of AA to acquire some BS degree if they stick with it. The White man or woman will be forced to adhere to traditional and stringent standards of passing. Eventually you will have qualified Whites working next to unqualified and incompetent others and this will spell more chaos and headaches in STEM jobs.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    I remained friends with a friend who was part of my high school graduation class. He was one of the brightest in the entire nation, scoring in the top 10% nationwide on the SAT. He went straight from high school into engineering at a university. I either saw him or heard about him once in a while. Last time I heard, several years ago, he had lost his long time job in Silicon Valley. He could not find another position anywhere. The problem was, I am told, that he only spoke English. I don’t know what’s become of him.

    Through DIversity, we have created American citizens into aliens in their own country. The process of squeezing us out continues.

    (Of course I use “we” as solely a rhetorical device).

    • IstvanIN

      He was probably over 40 only spoke English, was interviewed (if he got that far) only by Hindus, Chinese or the tribe. The whole idea that out of work white, male Americans will not take a job because the salary is insufficient is total bunk. Sure, a 40, 50 or 60 year old male would rather lose everything rather than take a pay cut. Yeah, right. They won’t hire us.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    I know some of the “skilled trades” population around here (where I live). They are being employed and abused by corporations that buy and rebuild foreclosed homes for sale. It is done by a local contractor that will bid a contract with one of these investors for a “flat rate” amount for the project and then pay the workers the least they can while demanding over-time, pressuring workers to not report injuries when they happen, and they do, due to the constant “hurry, hurry” pressure on them. They have to drive to sites which are often far away and do not get travel compensations. It’s horrible and the young, 30 somethings I know doing this are typically white, divorced or near it, one or two kids. It’s hell for them.

  • John R

    It is you who are clueless. How does a worker, acting alone, w/o a union, or any organized representatives, make “salary demands”? It is called supply and demand. So, we should all be nice workers, just live in huts, and say to our employers, “gee, nice company, you only have to pay me a dollar an hour. I am so sorry about my American salary demands.” Yeah, the rich would love all workers to do that. When our living standards fall to those of India, we can all be happy. It is because of people like you that despite my dislike of liberals, I don’t care for Republicans much, either. I am a race realist, not a laissez faire capitalist.

  • Look at the source of this post: IEEE Spectrum. It was correctly and honorably attributed, by the way. If a full member of IEEE says, “In preparing this article, I went through hundreds of reports, articles, and white papers from the past six decades”, I have faith in his conclusions. It is extraordinarily difficult to respond ad hominem to electrical engineers. They have too much integrity, thus there isn’t much fodder. Unlike soi disant public policy types, an electrical engineer with a degree from a land grant university will have the mathematical ability to perform statistical analyses, and the good sense to know how to meaningfully interpret the results. I wish he were leading U.S. public policy, per this, “Rather than spending our scarce resources on ending a mythical STEM shortage, we should figure out how to make all children literate in the sciences, technology, and the arts…” (well balanced: he does not neglect the arts!) and, VERY important, this “instead of continuing our current global obsession with STEM shortages, industry and government should focus on creating more STEM jobs that are enduring and satisfying.” N.B. He says more jobs, not more outsourcing, nor more visas.

  • Cognitive elitist is quite original. I could use some help from you and your colleagues when I expunge factually incorrect, virulently anti-American content on Wikipedia, only to be reversed and overruled by racist idiots. Most are obsessed with defaming American history and institutions, rather than spending any time or effort contributing to knowledge of their own e.g. there ARE other central banks besides our Federal Reserve!