Southern Polish Town Wants Rid of Roma Community

Polskie Radio, September 4, 2013

Poland’s attorney general is investigating whether a racist crime occurred when a group of citizens in Andrychów, Małopolska province, called for the Roma (Gypsy) community there to be kicked out of the town.

“The Anti-Roma Movement of Andrychów” Facebook account received 1,500 fans in just 24 hours after it called for the 140-strong Roma community to be banished from the town in southern Poland, with a population of around 20,000.

The demand was made after a 16-year-old Roma boy beat up a Polish teenager.

Once the profile was shut down by Facebook administrators, a similar one surfaced soon after, quickly drawing 2,000 ‘likes’.

The Roma community lives in dilapidated tenement buildings in the town centre and are considered the area’s main social problem by the majority of inhabitants.

A local ‘Safe City’ committee has been established in the town, with the aim to prompt the local mayor to “stop sweeping the issue under the carpet”.

In May 2011 a Jewish cemetery was desecrated in Andrychów after graves were vandalised.

Attorney General Andrzej Seremet has said that if a racist crime has been committed then local prosecutors will act accordingly.

“The problem we are dealing with here is more complex than just being a legal issue, as it also has to do with social behaviour towards people of other nationalities and ethnicities,” Andrzej Seremet has told Polish Radio.

“I believe that if there were larger minorities in Poland, we would now be dealing with a far greater problem,” he added.

It is estimated that there are between 12 to 35,000 Roma living in Poland.

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  • Spartacus

    “It is estimated that there are between 12 to 35,000 Roma living in Poland.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    The number is probably a lot higher. Here, gypsies are less than 700.000 on paper, but in reality probably nearly 2 million, although that number might be decreasing as tons of them have been flooding Italy, France, Spain, Germany and Britain . Still, even a single one is unacceptable as far as I’m concerned…

  • gemjunior

    I hate the possibility that even the Poles will kowtow to this “Race crime” nonsense. If they start having white Poles put in prison for race crimes, there is probably no hope because they usually have a strong national identity and are less likely to cave into this baloney. They have experience with gypsies and Jews over centuries and do not like them.

    • JohnEngelman

      Jews are resented for their superior intelligence and success.

      I have never known Gypsies. I know little about them. Therefore I will reserve judgement.

      I used to think hostility to blacks was irrational, until I began to have a lot of contact with them.

      • IstvanIN

        Superior intelligence or superior cunning? How about the 10s of millions starved to death in the Ukraine by them? How about the attempt to impose communism on Hungary in 1919? Of course they became successful after the war and guess who ran the secret police and executed the Hungarians who didn’t want to live enslaved? And speaking of executions, let us not forget the Christian Tsar of Russia, his wife and children, and many other nobles. And then 70 years of enslavement in the USSR. Maybe the Poles know something you do not.

        • JohnEngelman

          You make the mistake of conflating “Jew” with “Communist.” All of the leaders of the Soviet Union were Gentiles. The Soviet government persecuted Jews.

          • IstvanIN

            The only religion allowed after the fall of the provisional government was Judaism. They were given protected status. They were the ones who ran things. It wasn’t until well after their front man Stalin died that things started to change. They ran the secret police. Remember Marx was a Jew.

          • Alexandra1973

            A Jew trained by Jesuits.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Marx was a Christian whose parents had converted from Judaism before he was born. His system is full of Christian principles without endorsing the Christian church, which exploited their “flocks” in concert with their collaborating monarchs. You can thank him for a 40 hour work week and other worker protections that didn’t exist during his time.

            I have studied the Russian Revolution, Bolshevik and Soviet Union party history, but never found that Judaism was allowed. People were not forbidden to worship in their homes, but the institution was shut down, put out of business, so to speak. It was just that you could not be religious if you were an actual member of the communist party. Most people living in the Soviet Union were not party members. Just note how quickly people resumed religious activities once the USSR collapsed. It is also a fact that even though Marxism promised that everyone would be treated equally, it wasn’t long before Jews were subject to the old persecution style. The only Jew among the founding Bolshevics was Trotsky, who Stalin had assassinated while he was in exile in Mexico.

          • Chris Granzow XI

            B.S. Putin just said a couple months ago that 80-85% of the original soviet government was jewish. Even Trotsky was at one time a member of B’nai B’rith. To this day, more and more documents are being released to the public that show how some party members went to great lengths to cover even a shred of jewish ancestry. And claiming Marx isn’t Jewish because he converted to christianity is like saying “I’m not German because I converted to Chinese.” This is a race realist site. You of all people should know that Ashkenazi Jews are a distinct ethnic/racial group regardless of what religion they adhere to.

          • alex

            “…Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time…”
            Karl Marx

          • OlderWoman

            My father was a Biblical scholar. He did research on Germany, reading an abundance of books on each side of the argument. He claimed that some Jews in Germany betrayed the government which put them in jeopardy with the Nazi’s. I wish I had asked him for the reading material he had. I also wish I had discussed the matter with him in more depth. I might add that my father was not an anti-Semite. He, in fact, was a proponent of Israel, actually paying the airfare for a few Russian Jews to move to Israel.

          • jeffaral

            Someone who is a biblical scholar is at best useless, a parasite living on the backs of the workers. No wonder your father helped the jews.

          • Sick of it

            Gentiles like Lenin and Trotsky…

          • John Ulfsson

            You want a real surprise? Go look up the “1918 German Revolution” on Wikipedia and check out how much of the leadership came from a Jewish family. Almost every single one, I think only one didn’t.

          • Sick of it

            I don’t need to, having taken a German History class. The names stood out to me back then. Perhaps I should add that it was taught by a Jewish professor. He still told many things as they were.

          • Chris Granzow XI

            « “The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,” Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center…” »

            -source: jta. org/2013/06/19/news-opinion/world/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish

          • JohnEngelman

            So what? Most Jews were not Communists.

          • Chris Granzow XI

            “So what?” Well, you’re the one on here proclaiming that anyone who potentially has a problem with the actions of prominent jews in society, only has that problem essentially because he’s jealous. But then, you go on to admit that you were just as naïve and arrogrant regarding africans, until you had your own experience with them and realized everyone else was telling the truth. Learning from that experience, at what point do you not ask yourself if anyone else has a real point when they’re talking about jews? The biggest problem with us white people I truly believe is arrogance and naïvety. We don’t take other peoples word, we have to find out for ourselves, and then we never learn from our history.

          • One German Jew stood out: Werner Voss.

          • Ilya Ehrenberg told the bipedal filth to rape German women.

            The Soviet government did persecute Jews. One of my old co-workers was widowed because her husband was summarily executed by a Moscow policeman. “This is what happens to Jews here”: BAM.

          • gemjunior

            No John not at all. The majority of the Bolsheviks were Jews, and they were at the helm not only of the revolution itself but the successive governments that followed. They were completely overrepresented in Soviet politics. The Soviet gov’t didn’t persecute Jews. If you believe that the Only reasons Jews are resented is because of their superior intelligence and success, you are certainly not looking at the entire picture. It’s not “hate” or anti-Semitism, just plain facts. Whenever a group or nationality does great things they are given credit where it’s due, just like they are subject to disapprobation for their negative traits. Most knowledgeable people are aware of the disproportionate level of Jewish intelligence, work ethic, success and their contributions to science and medicine, among many other ones. It is also true that their ethnocentrism has led to a great deal of influence that is far out of proportion to their numbers, anywhere they go. How they use the influence is the subject of debate. One thing is for certain, if we were to model our own race after theirs, we would be in far, far better shape than we are right now.

          • Ilya Ehrenberg? Lazar Kaganovich? Leon Trotsky?

          • JohnEngelman

            Most Soviet Jews were not Communists. Most were persecuted by the Communists.

    • Spartacus

      You have to understand that here in eastern Europe, institutions aren’t what they are in the West. Just because some state official says he’s gonna do something, doesn’t really mean he’s actually gonna do it. Just because something is against the law, doesn’t mean you’re gonna go to prison for doing it . So don’t worry, the Polaks are still in a good position .

  • Alexandra1973

    I’ve heard plenty about Gypsies when I was a child, none of it good.
    I wonder…is that where the term “gypped” came from…?

    • Nick A Siggers

      Yes.

    • Sick of it

      I’ve read stories and books talking about their bad behavior dating back to the 16th century.

    • OlderWoman

      ‘gyp’ is considered a racist term.

  • Jenkem Huffington

    A close friend of mine lives in Poland (a native). I remember one time asking him about the gypsies. He said they’re pretty much Eastern Europe’s version of n!ggers. He gave a few illustrations/stories about their behavior and yeah. It seemed a concise enough description.

    • Nick A Siggers

      They have the black tendency for theft and certain antisocial behaviors, but with much higher IQ.
      Much more challenging to stop their activities.

    • Spartacus

      They’re basically like blacks, but much less violent, with far fewer murders and rapes .

    • FormerlyEdNY

      A native Bulgarian married into my family. 15 years ago she told me that they had gypsies in Bulgaria and we had blacks in the U.S. She said the gypsies are bad but the blacks are much worse. BTW, while growing up in Bulgaria she was taught that American blacks were wonderful people that were oppressed and persecuted. She arrived in this country thinking blacks were great people. After very little exposure to blacks she immediately became a race realist. Most White people have to learn the hard way.

      • Some Japanese arrive in the US thinking the same thing. They are quickly disabused of this notion about blacks. Chinese are thoroughly racist and need no such convincing.

  • Have their adult sons registered for conscription into the Bundeswehr?

    Would anyone want to share a trench with a Roma?

    • Spartacus

      Considering how they smell, I’d rather take my chances with mustard gas.

    • OlderWoman

      MCS. In the past I took a dislike toward you. But over time I’ve come to realize what an intelligent and well-spoken man you are. I apologize for my past offense against you. Looking forward to more of your posts.

  • bigone4u

    The Polish people are standing up for themselves–taking action in spite of their spineless politicians. They learned firsthand during WW II that when your enemies control you, genocide follows–always, no matter how civilized your enemies may seem. The authorities in Poland should be taking action to expel the invaders, not punish good Poles who seek to be free of the pernicious influence of the Gypsies.

    • White Mom in WDC

      Right on. Time for people in White western countries to stick up for ourselves. Many of us are still too comfortable, but things will get worse economically and whites will be attacked as we are perceived to be privileged. Screw the Roma, the Groids, and those who will not be named

  • JohnEngelman

    In other words, the Bolshevik Party was 3.64 percent secular Jews. So what?

    • Kit Ingoldby

      The bulk of the leaders of the Bolshevik Party were Jewish.

      Odd but true. (and I’m not using that to make any kind of anti Jewish point)

  • Guest

    Rap is the soundtrack of failed peoples. Metal is the soundtrack of Vikings and conquerors, champions and gladiators.

  • Spartacus

    There’s a fundamental difference – there, you have a small group that wants to wipe you out, and does so in an organized manner. Here, it’s basically anarchy – the state is weak and corrupt, poverty is a huge problem but there’s very little violence .

    • Sick of it

      Well, we Americans can say from experience that it’s better to have a weak State than a strong one. You have more freedom.

  • borogirl54

    Don’t blame them. Roma are criminals and they are undesirable wherever they go.

    • shmo123

      They seem to have absolutely no endearing characteristics whatsoever. They smell horrible too, as anyone who’s ever passed them on the street or been passed by a gang of them.

  • The Final Solution

    That’s pretty ironic considering that the Germans tried to exterminate the gypsies.

  • The Final Solution

    So what race are the Roma exactly? Not sure how this is a ‘racist’ story.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    My German ex mother-in-law, said of Romas, “Mama and Papa told us Hitler had the right idea taking gypsies off the streets; they did nothing but pickpocket, create filth, go door to door trying to sell you something to create a distraction. Then one of their kids would sneak into the house and steal anything he could touch. They were really good at thievery and nothing else.”
    No one told them that they were being exterminated, or
    at least, they claimed not to know.

    • OlderWoman

      Santa Monica has gypies who wander the 3rd Street Promenade area and rob unsuspecting Whites.

  • Hans Schneider

    open up Auschwitz again as a residence for the Roma.

    • jeffaral

      I am sure the Auschwitz facilities are far more confortable and cleaner than the filthy tenements the gypsies inhabit.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    Have you ever read the “Doctor’s Plot”? It was said to be an anti-semitic conspiracy dreampt up by Stalin, supposedly where jewish doctors were conspiring to poison him. Nearly 6 months after he made the plot known to the public, he died. Modern-day researchers think he was poisoned by his doctors. So let’s see: He comes out and says his doctors are going to try to kill him. A couple months later, he dies. And here we are still calling the doctor’s plot “an anti-semitic myth.” Connect the dots.

    • alex

      Correlation doesn’t mean causation.
      Who taught you logic?
      Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton?

      • Chris Granzow XI

        “Correlation doesn’t mean causation”
        Well, let’s not be disingenuous. It’s very very very suspicious that he says some jewish doctors are plotting to kill him and then a couple months later he dies. Then modern-day researchers confirm that he was most likely poisoned by his doctors. The only reason someone wouldn’t make the obvious connections is because their conclusion might be deemed “anti-semitic.”

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          There’s a fine line between “connecting the dots” and witch hunting. That is why we have laws and courts and due process in civilized regions of the world. But perhaps you’re not used to that.

          • Chris Granzow XI

            “Witch hunt” would imply that I’m bringing up jews in a completely irrelevant situation; i.e. the Yankees lost and somehow I blame jews for it. The Doctor’s Plot is all about jews…..so it’s not like they’re irrelevant to the topic at hand. Two months after “The Doctor’s Plot” was made known to the public, Stalin died. Anybody who’s not a moron would see that there’s at least some possibility instead outright denying it. Coincidentally, in his later years, he started shifting his opinion towards the creation of a jewish state.

            – mailstar. net/death-of-stalin.html

        • alex

          Who are the researchers? Did they have access to Stalin’s body?
          Stalin and his henchmen also murdered millions of people because of their alleged crimes against Soviet State.
          He ordered execution of top military commanders of Red Army for “plotting” against him.

          • Chris Granzow XI

            Believe me, I’m the last guy to be an apologist for Stalin. I just think that it’s a very interesting case. This link has a lot of interesting info:

            – mailstar. net/death-of-stalin.html

    • shmo123

      If they really did kill the sob, they should be applauded.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Connecting dots can be done for any conspiracy theory. Stalin is well known for his paranoia driven purges of millions. If one instance turned out to be true, it really doesn’t matter. He was exposed by Kruschev and quickly condemned by the party after he died.

  • THE SOVIETS DID THIS TO POLAND AFTER WWII.

    The USSR kept the land they invaded with their Hitler agreement attacking Poland in 1939. In 1945, the USSR took a chunk of Germany and gave it to Poland to compensate for land Poland lost. Communist FDR had agreed to do this and Truman did nothing to prevent it even though the US had the nuclear weapons. Now we see the problems Stalin and FDR created. One day Germany will want their land returned.

  • Chris Granzow XI

    I’ve had many jewish friends too…..but that doesn’t mean that you can’t look at them from a historical perspective and see all the harm they did toward their gentile host nations. And looking at them from a racial perspective, if given a chance to choose between being a Jew or having my German/Swedish ancestry, I would most certainly stay with what I am. The problem with all those IQ tests, relating to white people, is that they put all white people into the same basket. I would be thrilled to see in-depth IQ research that tested specific European races (i.e. Swedish, Polish, Italian). From the ones already existing, they show Denmark, Poland and Italy have higher average IQs than East Asians and Israeli Jews. So there goes the IQ advantage of jews. And when comparing other racial/biological features, most jewish people are extremely unattractive and have squirrel-like (can’t think of a better word) personalities. In my opinion, white men are more masculine, more muscular (and have more attractive bodies), more athletic and are better fighters than jewish men. So, 2-3 IQ points (allegedly) isn’t much of an advantage when you lack in every other biological category.

  • Alexandra1973

    It’s quite true that Jews are God’s chosen people. Unfortunately a lot of today’s Jews repeat history. Their forebears said “We have no king but Caesar.” Now it’s “We have no king but the pope.” Remember who was ruling the known world during the Dark Ages–the popes. The Reformation broke that power and they kind of want it back. I believe that the Vatican uses Jews to do its dirty work. It’s a front. Hitler himself admitted that the Catholic church has always had an anti-Jew philosophy.
    It’s because the Jews rejected their Messiah that salvation was offered to Gentiles (see Romans 11). The Great Tribulation, known as the time of Jacob’s Trouble, will almost wipe them out. And all this “blame the Jew” crap is setting the stage for that persecution.
    The good news is, eventually they WILL receive their Messiah.

  • stephengreen

    Obviously, theological debates aside, I tend to agree with Cocharan/Harpending’s (10k explosion) assessment that Jews were a relatively unremarkable people until 200 years ago. Even now when we talk about Jewish smarts (as they do) it is a narrow group of Jews, the Ashkenazim, whose origins are shaky and who we mean when we discuss things like over-representation in Nobel prizes and other IQ loaded areas. Other Jews are actually fairly intellectually unremarkable and as (IIRC) Lynn mentions, national IQ in Israel is actually not so great – under 100.

  • alex

    He was also 25% German/Swede and 25% Russian.
    Are Jewish genes so dominant?

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    I just viewed an excellent youtube documentary on Stalin’s life. He was often up all night long signing death warrents, with 3,000 in one night as his record. The documentary showed actual papers. One was an order to exterminate 6,000 people in one town. He scratched out the 6,000 and added, “Make it 9,000).

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Not true, only Trotsky was Jewish. The rest is a myth dreamt up by post WW2 neo-nazis. I have a very long document penned by one such that includes ever conspiracy theory ever imagined, including aliens from space, with Jews as the culprits. Too ridiculous to belief unless you saw it for yourself.

  • Spartacus

    Sorry, I’m Romanian, not British, so I can’t vote for UKIP. But if I were, I would 🙂

  • jeffaral

    Enslaving, life-denying Christianity is a sure path to self-destruction.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    ”“I believe that if there were larger minorities in Poland, we would now be dealing with a far greater problem,” he added.”

    He accidentally speaks the truth.

    The more ‘diversity’ the more ‘minorities’ the more the problems.

  • stephengreen

    They suggest that the selection dates from the Middle Ages but did not result in any notable or significant intellectual successes until well after the 1800s. They also do not suggest that their intellect was under a blanket of oppression, the lifting of which allowed it to be demonstrated but that the areas open to them due to restrictions on Christians was actually the impetus for their rise in intelligence.

    It’s true that the Ashkenazim dominate modern Jewry, but its still important to note other Jews do average under the Euro mean and as mentioned, in Israel it’s about 95.

  • My wife’s family says “That’s the bravest man in the world.” I don’t even want it.

  • Nick A Siggers

    Could be, my knowledge is from observation of a relatively small number in the US. As anecdotal and limited in scope I concede it may not be an accurate representation.

    I will restate, the small number of Romani I have encountered have been far more clever than most of the large number of blax I have had experience with.

  • convairXF92

    Have to report an exception…some of the big-name European musicians in the last few centuries have been ethnic Roma. Look up Roby Lakatos, Kalman Balogh, Dinicu, and Yuri Yunakov. It’s said that they became great partly because they didn’t have to go to school and so could spend all their childhood time practicing. The fathers and uncles who gave them their first lessons were hard-as-nails disciplinarians.

    The music and dance of Spain has been largely driven by Gitanos (part-Roma, part-Arab, part-white, probably part-Jew). The guitar work and footwork require immense amounts of practice to develop properly.

  • Mike Conrad

    Wagner: The greatest composer who ever lived