House Republicans Pass Deep Cuts in Food Stamps

Ron Nixon, New York Times, September 20, 2013

House Republicans narrowly pushed through a bill on Thursday that slashes billions of dollars from the food stamp program, over the objections of Democrats and a veto threat from President Obama.

The vote set up what promised to be a major clash with the Senate and dashed hopes for passage this year of a new five-year farm bill.

The vote was 217 to 210, largely along party lines.

Republican leaders, under pressure from Tea Party-backed conservatives, said the bill was needed because the food stamp program, which costs nearly $80 billion a year, had grown out of control. They said the program had expanded even as jobless rates had declined with the easing recession.

“This bill eliminates loopholes, ensures work requirements, and puts us on a fiscally responsible path,” said Representative Marlin Stutzman, Republican of Indiana, who led efforts to split the food stamps program from the overall farm bill. {snip}

But even with the cuts, the food stamp program would cost more than $700 billion over the next 10 years.

Republicans invoked former President Bill Clinton in their defense of the bill, saying that the changes were in the spirit of those that he signed into law in 1996 that set work requirements for those who receive welfare.

But Democrats, many of whom held up pictures of people they said would lose their benefits, called the cuts draconian and said they would plunge millions into poverty.

“It’s a sad day in the people’s House when the leadership brings to the floor one of the most heartless bills I have ever seen,” said Representative James McGovern, Democrat of Massachusetts. “It’s terrible policy trapped in a terrible process.”

The measure has little chance of advancing in the Senate, and Senator Debbie Stabenow, Democrat of Michigan and the chairwoman of the Senate Agriculture Committee, called it “a monumental waste of time.”

The bill, written under the direction of the House majority leader, Eric Cantor, Republican of Virginia, would cut $40 billion from the food stamp program over the next 10 years. It would also require adults between 18 and 50 without minor children to find a job or to enroll in a work-training program in order to receive benefits.

It would also limit the time those recipients could get benefits to three months. Currently, states can extend food stamp benefits past three months for able-bodied people who are working or preparing for work as part of a job-training program.

{snip}

The bill would also restrict people enrolled in other social welfare programs from automatically becoming eligible for food stamps.

In addition, the legislation would allow states to require food stamp recipients to be tested for drugs and to stop lottery winners from getting benefits. The Senate farm bill also contains a restriction on lottery winners.

Critics of the measure said the cuts would fall disproportionately on children.

“Yes, the federal government has budget problems, but children didn’t cause them, and cutting anti-hunger investments is the wrong way to solve them,” said Bruce Lesley, president of First Focus Campaign for Children, a child advocacy group.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, nearly four million people would be removed from the food stamp program under the House bill starting next year. The budget office said after that, about three million a year would be cut off from the program.

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  • Deep cuts my foot.

    It’s a $40 billion over ten years decrease in the projected rate of increase. So it’s not a cut, much less a deep cut.

    Yet, certain leftists are still panicking.

    • MikeofAges

      Sorry, I forget. Up is down. Red is green. Increases are cuts. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

      • sbuffalonative

        Diversity is our greatest strength.

        • MikeofAges

          More than anything, diversity is a paradigm for designing the workplace. In general, a workplace functions better when everyone is “the same”.

          The “Third Culture” concept tell us that people who have been raised in two cultures see themselves as having much in common regardless of what the “second culture” is. Hence the term “Third Culture”. Hiring “diversity” and native born people with as many “Third Culture” characteristics as possible, i.e. experience living or studying abroad or experience growing up around “diversity”, provide a workforce which is paradoxically quite homogeneous. Native born people raised in traditional manners need not apply. That mean not only whites, but even blacks as well. Except those who can attain honorary “third culture” status.

        • Whitetrashgang

          Can you imagine, that almost all the politicans just lie lie lie. Its so nuts why don’t people get it? I mean what percent of people believe the garbage they spew? 1984 is starting to look like a parody

    • Sentinel9

      It’s a $40 billion over ten years decrease in the projected rate of increase.

      I have heard that song before, many times over the years.

      Nobody cares. It doesn’t matter.

      What matters is it’s a net transfer of wealth from whites to dark folk. The move is a change that, on average, benefits whites and disadvantages non-whites. That’s all that matters. But “conservatives” will never call anti-whites on that. “Conservatives” are reduced to arguing about what a cut is, and are destined to lose.

    • Stentorian_Commentator

      It’s so “heartless” because it cuts the money flow between Democrat politicians and their constituents, and makes it more difficult to roust the welfare queens to vote Democrat. In short, it makes it tougher for them to rally their base, and gives the GOP something to offer their base. Therefore it is precisely what the GOP should be doing.

      • It makes it tougher for them to roust them because they won’t have their 8,500 calories per day.

  • Erasmus

    If our “leaders” had enforced our laws and deported the illegal aliens like they’re supposed to, our country’s fiscal crisis wouldn’t be as critical. Why should US citizens bother obeying the law when our “leaders” don’t?

    • borogirl54

      The reason why illegal aliens have been tolerated is that they are a source of cheap labor and the Latino population is growing and are seen as a voting block that no one can ignore.

      • Bobbala

        All labor would be “cheap” if the market were free … but you insist on paying $10+ for lunch at McDonalds, $150,000 for a house, etc.. But hey, your “rich”, right.

        • Xerxes22

          I would love to able to find a decent house in a decent area for only $150,000. That’s impossible in my state, even though a lot of houses are built with illegal non-union labor. The profits from the cheap labor go to the contractors and the real estate people. They are not passed on to the consumer.

          • Bobbala

            Being illegal, they are more detached from the state controlled market and a little closer to a free market economy. The money always chases the real freedom and flees the state control fantasy.

            The state says that you want the obamamobile. The state says who you want to hire. Michelle Obama says what your kids want for lunch.

            Reality speaks loudest and last.

            The day that Americans are free to command what their skills are actually worth is the day that someone will hire them with their own money (not mine).

            Don’t blame the Mexicans for being smart enough to live in reality (whether they like it or not). Americans are the ones that need to stop pretending. You are not worth a minimum wage. That is why no one will hire you.

        • DonReynolds

          Gosh. With no coupons or discounts at all TODAY, I had two McDouble hamburgers and an endless supply of Coka-Cola for three dollars and twenty-eight cents. …. and there were no blacks or hispanics working there.

        • Sentinel9

          Switzerland’s emphasis is on quality. Quality is expensive. The ties I have bought in Switzerland have all lasted longer than the ties I have bought in the United States. The closest I have been able to obtain here was a $200 tie I once bought in NYC. Clothes bought here in the U.S. tend to fall apart, and fall apart faster than they used to. Today they are made cheaply in Asia.

          Labor is quite expensive in Switzerland, houses are exorbitant, and meat is especially expensive. Switzerland slaps a massive duty on any food item that is domestically produced.

          Overall, compared to Switzerland, the U.S. is indeed “cheap” — in both senses.

          The McDonald’s burger alone is $10 in Switzerland, never mind the meal. Purchasing power parity be damned, it is well worth it because you are eating it in Switzerland, where there are many many white people and virtually no blacks or Mexicans.

          • OlderWoman

            McDonalds. A waste of money. Very poor quality food.

          • Sentinel9

            Not if it’s Swiss meat.

      • DonReynolds

        No, blacks have more votes than Hispanics. Illegal aliens do not vote that much…..too much, but not enough to outvote the blacks.

  • FormerlyEdNY

    The whole food stamp program is abused. The blacks sell their food stamps for pennies on the dollar to buy drugs, alcohol and sneakers.

    • Spartacus

      “…drugs, alcohol and sneakers.”

      ———————————————————————————————————–

      That’s the Holy Trinity in Black Liberation Theology, isn’t it ?

      • FormerlyEdNY

        Fat ugly white women fit in there some place.

    • the other guest

      Simple. Ban blacks, browns and yellows (S.E Asians)from receiving any sort of aid. Problem solved.

    • MikeofAges

      The merchants who give them cash at 50 cents on the dollar are crooks, just like the business owners who hire illegal aliens are crooks. We had a Chinese woman who owned an independent market in Seattle go to jail for food stamp fraud.

      Once you understand, all welfare is corporate welfare, it starts to make sense.

  • JohnEngelman

    Reducing aid for the unemployed does not reduce the unemployment rate.

    • So CAL Snowman

      Socialism only works in small homogeneous White countries with expert leadership and a thriving economy. The US does not meet those requirements

      • JohnEngelman

        What does that have to do with people who can’t find jobs?

        • Bobbala

          … you mean people that can not provide for themselves in a manner that they feel their skills merit … So they just vote themselves possession of what others produced. Anyone can work at anytime. Just start. See.

        • DonReynolds

          John…..they are not going to find a job as long as they can collect nearly the same amount (or more), sitting on the couch at home and f**king the old lady. Believe it.

        • Ella

          John, there are jobs in many cities, but people don’t like the type of work, hours, commute or pay. You can collect more welfare combined benefits p/hr in half the States instead of working for honest pay. Attempting to deal with poor salaries of enlisted soldiers and larger family size, DOD tried to reduce family size by NOT paying for extra children back in the early 80’s! People on welfare have pay incentives to increase family size because the system does not tell them “NO!” The tax payer should not be forced to pay past the avg. White and Asian fertility rate of 1.7 children. Any welfare program supposed to be temporary, for emergencies.

        • Sick of it

          Well, considering that benefits are often denied to white people who actually need them, it seems like a good time to end the programs generally.

      • Beetlejuice

        There is nothing compassionate about giving away other people’s money. Forcing one person to labor to support another is a form of slavery.

        • MBlanc46

          Socialism is not about giving away other people’s money. It’s about the workers in an enterprise controlling the enterprise.

          • Where was socialism ever practiced in such a fashion, MBlanc?

          • MBlanc46

            That depends a bit on how “workers controlling the enterprise” is construed. But that is independent of the issue of what socialism was intended to be. In a really socialist economy, there wouldn’t be any money to give away, to other people or anyone else.

      • Sick of it

        It’s starting to fail there as well. Economies don’t boom forever.

    • Our current system of paying dysfunctional minorities to breed like rabbits and engage in all sorts of vile behavior obviously isn’t reducing the unemployment rate, either.

      • MikeofAges

        You have good point. In 1865, the ratio of whites to black was about 9:1. In the 1960s, the ratio of whites to blacks, including the descendants of European immigrants who arrived after the civil war was about 9:1. Today, the ratio of all non-blacks to black is about 7:1. Meanwhile, the ratio of white European to black is about 5:1. If there had been only limited immigration allowed after the Civil War, the ratio of whites to black might be 4:1 today. The historic “10 percent” ratio has been maintained only because of two cycles of massive immigration, first from Europe after the Civil War and then from non-European countries after 1970.

        Appurtenant to the coverage of the 50th Anniversary of the 1963 March on Washington, a national news magazine noted that the black population had in that time grown from 20 million to 44 million. During that time, the descendants of the white population of 1960 has grown from maybe a 155 million to 200 million. If the black population had merely kept pace with the white population it today might be 26 million. Honestly, I don’t see how you could call growing from 20 million to 26 million genocide, but that’s what we would be accused of wanting if we said that is what should have happened.

        If nothing else, how can a minority which is disadvantaged in multiple ways expect to be better off growing at a rapid rate compared to the majority?

        Demographers do say that in not too long, the black population will begin to numerically decline.

        • MBlanc46

          Didn’t know that you were a South Side guy. I’ve spent most of my life in the western and southwestern suburbs, but most of my city connections are South Side, including 20 years in Hyde Park in two separate stints.

          • MikeofAges

            Way back, I said something about that. I designate Hyde Park as the neighborhood I grew up. We lived in Woodlawn until I was eight. Two years in South Shore in my early teens. Enough to catch the tail end of the “James Dean” era. And even the remnants of the “Studs Lonigan” age.

            I was in South Shore long enough to get it about the “greasers”. For the most part, what a bunch of blowfish. Of course, there are tough guys everywhere and in every era. But most of them were about as tough as a pile of sawdust. The ones that were dangerous were so because they were hoodlums and violence-prone psychopaths, not because they were greasers. The “serious” greasers, the ones who stayed with it as they got older, were extraordinarily self destructive. The ones like Milner in “American Graffiti” and Fonzie in “Happy Days”, who had some internal compass, were the top of the heap.

          • MBlanc46

            After I posted that, it occurred to me that perhaps we’d discussed the South Side previously. By the time that I got to Hyde Park, Woodlawn was pretty much a no go area. There was a Chinese restaurant on 63rd Street–Tai Sam Won, or something like that–where we used to get takeaway and there was still a Jewish-run men’s store on 63rd where I bought a few things. A fellow student had an apartment in South Shore, so it was still reasonably safe for whites, but it must already have been changing. I know that there’s been some gentrification in Woodlawn in the past 20 years, but all I really have direct recent knowledge of is driving down Stony Island to pick up the Skyway. There are actually Starbucks’ and a couple of banks on Stony in South Shore, but I wouldn’t want to get onto the side streets, even in the daylight. I still have dreams of reclaiming the South Side.

          • MikeofAges

            The redevelopment of the South Side began in the 1950s, and I was there. Literally, a lifetime has gone by, and the whole project at best is one-third complete. Maybe within another lifetime, an energetic college student will be able to walk from from the Illinois Institute of Technology (IIT) campus on 35th Street to the University of Chicago (UC) campus 55th Street and live to tell the tale. The risk to one’s life is not metaphorical, as you well know. A student who attempted it over city streets today would be highly likely to suffer harm along the way.

            The South Side of Chicago has some great physical assets. The UC and IIT campuses, and Chicago State University at 95th St. with it excellent transportation access. The South Shore neigborhood has great physical assets.

            The South Side has a future potential to be a great center of higher education and gentrified life. The South Side of the future might be Indian, Asian and gentrified Hispanic far more that white. But it will a literal lifetime again before we see it. That is why I say no one without deep ties to one of these troubled areas ought to be willing to commit their life to their redevelopment. I said that about the Oakland area in Northern California and I say the same about the South Side of Chicago. I’ve lived in both.

            I’ve lived on the West Coast for almost 40 years, but I know the South Side of Chicago like Lestat le Lioncourt knew New Orlean. After being away for 140 years (he’s a vampire) he walks down contemporary Bourbon Street and says he knows the air and knows he is home. When Barack Obama became a candidate in 2008, on the online forums, I often said of the Obama and cohorts, “I know the ground they walk on. I know the air they breath.” Nothing about what has happened since has surprised me. I knew he was going to come to the office with a tired old full of the ideas of the elitist liberals from the old neighborhood. I also told people, you don’t want to elect a president from neighborhood that doean’t have a gas station in it, a fast food, or a chain supermarket.

          • MBlanc46

            I agree with you just about 100% about the potential of the South Side. I won’t live to see the South Side rise again, but I believe that it’s possible. I like your idea of being able to walk from IIT to Hyde Park. That certainly used to be possible back in the days when my great uncle lived on South Drexel (not that I know anyone who did it). When I was first at UC in 1968-69, I used to walk from Hyde Park to Michael Reese (to save the train fare). I’d never do it today and was probably foolish to have done it then. Obama was my state senator during the last part of my second sojourn in HP, so I knew a bit more about him than most people did. He revealed his true nature to me during the 2004 Senate campaign and I’ve had no use for himself.

          • MikeofAges

            Energetic colleges students might make the walk. For someone who knows the area, it’s more just a way to make note of what the South Side is like and how little it has changed for all of the effort that has been put into it.

            The University of Chicago has done pretty staying on the South Side. I can’t say them same about IIT. The Illinois Institute of Technology in the 1950s considered a move to the suburbs. This was an institution which had, and still has, the potential to move to a rank close to MIT and Cal Tech. A hundred years or more is a long time to wait. The decision to stay on the South Side cost them, and I’m sure many promises were not kept.

          • MBlanc46

            There were serious plans at UC to merge the institution with Stanford University. I got the story on the authority of Herbert Lamm of the Committee on Ideas and Methods. Apparently they were unable to do so because too many of the fundamental documents tied the institution to the place. They the university hunkered down and kept HP segregated, and when they could no longer keep blacks out, they managed to keep from being over-run through “urban renewal” As the gentrification of the South Side continues, perhaps IIT will be able to benefit.

          • MikeofAges

            That’s a new twist. The history of the institution after 1950 is pretty murky. Maybe the story about considering a move out of Illinois entirely was just misdirection, a effort to distract attention away from the merger idea.

            My brother went to graduate school at Stanford. I have spent considerable time around both institutions, and I can honestly say, I’ve never heard a worse idea in my life. Each of these institution, as a corporation, is horrible in its own special way.

            One thing I have always wondered is what would have happened to the physical plant, i.e. the buildings, had the University of Chicago moved. I think the political machine would have gone ahead with its plans to save Hyde Park as the South Side’s “middle class West Berlin” and the anchor of South Side redevelopment. Other institutions and facilities would have been persuaded to move in.

            One thing I am very sure of is that the powers behind the scenes were very aware that the failure of the white demographic in public education was in the pipeline already by 1950. For that reason, they neglected to build a community-based public high school until they were forced to. The Hyde Park Herald online archive reports that in 1964 the community debated whether or not it was “racist” to want to build a communty-based high school, even though that high school would have had a black majority. By 1967, there were less than 100 white kids from Hyde Park attending public high school. The community based high school, Kenwood, opened in 1969. Presently, there are about 50 white kids there in a student body of about 1500.

          • MBlanc46

            A few years ago, I saw a magazine article (or piece of an article) on the proposed merger. It must have been in the UC Magazine. What would have happened to the physical plant is an interesing question. Without the university, the neighborhood would have turned into another Woodlawn or Oakland. I imagine that all of the housing would have been used, but it’s hard to believe that the Negroes would have found a use for the physics labs. Wherever they’ve settled in Chicago and elsewhere, they’ve turned vital, prosperous neighborhoods into poverty-stricken, rubble-strewn wastelands.

    • DonReynolds

      Sure it does. Cut off the free money and they will stop playing video games and try to find work, even if it is part time.

    • The owner of a Japanese restaurant we know said recently that’s it difficult to hire people: they only want to be paid in cash. The reason is that they’ll lose welfare benefits if they gain employment.

      However most businesses can’t afford to pay cash: the reason being is that then they can’t write the salary paid off against taxes. The revenue used to provide cash payments would actually be counted as extra profits by the IRS, it would be extremely unprofitable for a legal business in a competetive environment to make undocumented cash payments.

      Thus at least in this one small case I believe that welfare benefits do lead to higher unemployment.

      • Andy

        Yeah, I knew some drug addicts who got disability from the state while they worked under the table. What was their disability? Drug addiction.

    • Andy

      I read that a good percentage of those drawing unemployment find work within a few months of the cutoff date, and if they make the cutoff date earlier, the average time for finding work moves up accordingly.

      • JohnEngelman

        Really?

        I have read that there are five people looking for a job for every job opening, and that many employers are only interested in hiring people who already have jobs doing what they are applying for.

  • Let President Orangutan veto it and then explain why we need to borrow more money from China to feed useless mouths.

    • bigone4u

      The propagandist in chief will show videos of starving babies and old folks to move the needle on food stamps and get the money back. The false appeal to the emotions is powerful, but taxpayers are tired of being abused, so Obama might lose this one. Our side should show pictures of the lazy dimwits who abuse the program, complete with a rundown on their criminal records.

      • How about the fact that it has been ruled illegal for them to be subjected to random drug tests while they are on the public dole?

      • Greg Thomas

        I have yet to see a “starving” illegal mexican or black.

        • ms_anthro

          Tell me about it. They’re morbidly obese little hairy brown medicine balls and probably eat more calories in one day than an average-sized White taxpayer eats in a week. Freedom!

  • MekongDelta69

    Oh man. How am I ever going to patronize all those strip clubs I go to after I post here?

    (But before I go to the club, I’m gonna hafta stop off at the liquor store to get me some alky-hall, see my pusher on the corner to grab some ‘dimes,’ face stomp somebody to get me some new ‘kicks,’ go into Stop ‘N’ Shop and steal me a ‘foty,’ rip off some dude coming outta Best Buy with his new GTA5, and maybe shoot some 3 y/o at a hoops court.)

    I’d better go. I have a busy night ahead. Nahmeen? Nahmsayin’?

    • Puggg

      The Smoking Gun

      Florida Couple Jailed In “Grand Theft” Robbery

      Suspects sought to rob “cracker,” opted for mentally challenged (black) man

      A mentally challenged Florida man who had saved up for months to purchase a copy of “Grand Theft Auto V” was robbed of the video game as he left a GameStop store this week, police report.

      Here are the suspects.

      • MekongDelta69

        Yeah – I saw that earlier in the day and was going to send it in to AmRen, but I didn’t b/c I figured they already had their stories set for the day.

        This is the link:
        http://www[dot]thesmokinggun[dot]com/documents/grand-theft-auto-game-robbery-678453

      • Ooops! The fact that the victim was mentally disabled likely will qualify these two for tougher sentencing. I think the official term is “at-risk adult”. Lots of luck getting any love from a judge!

        • capnmorgan5150

          Hate crime! Hate crime!

        • Greg Thomas

          Well, we have a mitigating factor here and that is the perps are black! They will be out in no time.

      • Whitetrashgang

        Their living the dream.

    • FormerlyEdNY

      Pace yourself dude. Don’t wear yourself out before the night is over.

    • borogirl54

      Where is the money to tip the dancers ands to “make it rain”?

  • bigone4u

    Soup kitchens serving gruel–that’s what most of these freeloaders deserve.

    • DonReynolds

      Laced with pork, so the moose limbs will not partake.

  • Spartacus

    Finally, the evil-pretending-to-be-stupid-party does something good. Starve the dark-skins!

  • willbest

    Deep Cut? 40 billion from 700 billion is akin to getting a large fry from McD’s and chucking 4 fries.

  • Spartacus

    At least 90% of them… The others are Uncle Toms.

    • borogirl54

      Not true. The rest of them are like Dr. Ben Carson who are conservative and see the damage the Democratic Party has done for the black community.

  • Easyrhino1

    Don’t fool yourselves, a lot of Whites are the recipients of food stamps as well.

    If the corrupt weasels on both sides of the aisle in DC had an ounce of integrity they’d pull the plug on the $50,000,000,000 of US tax-payers dollars that is given away in the form of foreign aid before they cut benefits to US citizens.

    • Agreed. If they want high-end, US-made armaments, they can pay cash. If they want to boost their civilian economies, they can sell us useful raw materials or decent finished products. Everything else is nonsense.

      • MikeofAges

        Remember. All welfare is corporate welfare.

    • Extropico

      They have given away trillions in foreign aid via immigration, quotas, gullible trade agreements and foreign warmongering. You are quite understated and modest with the $50 billion.

  • Puggg

    Republicans who voted against the “cuts.”

    Peter King (NY)
    Shelley Moore Capito (WV)
    Chris Gibson (NY)
    Walter Jones (NC)
    Richard Hanna (NY)
    Chris Smith (NJ)
    Frank LoBiondo (NJ)
    Don Young (AK)
    Frank Wolf (VA)
    Mike Fitzpatrick (PA)
    Jeff Fortenberry (NE)
    Michael Grimm (NY)
    Patrick Meehan (PA)
    Gary Miller (CA)
    David Valadao (CA)

    • DonReynolds

      Where are the Southerners? Hardly any on the list.

      • Mostly northeastern or California. Of those that aren’t, only Walter Jones and Frank Wolf surprise me. Fortenberry, being from Nebraska, i.e. agribusiness, does not surprise me. Capito from West Virginia, where there is very likely a high rate of white poverty, is also not a surprise. Don Young was the biggest pusher of Puerto Rico statehood in the late 1990s, so he doesn’t surprise me either. And Peter King is right on the vestibule of becoming a Democrat.

    • Sick of it

      Peter King supports amnesty…

  • MikeofAges

    All welfare is corporate welfare. The recipients are just the pass through mechanism. That they may be helped incidental. Biggest supporters of food stamps: farmers and ag business. Biggest supporters of student financial aid: AAUP. That’s the American Association of University Professors.

    It’s all political theater. In the end, the big ball just keeps on rolling and rolling.

    • DonReynolds

      Same deal with Medicaid and Medicare. The poor and the elderly do not get that money…..it goes directly to the doctors, hospitals, DME, and nursing homes.

    • Sentinel9

      Farmers don’t support it because they need the food stamp money. Farmers and representatives of “urban” districts are just engaged in good old-fashioned logrolling.

      • MikeofAges

        Maybe. Maybe not. It might depend on the region. What crop. SNAP probably does increase sales of agricultural commodities. But not central to very many of them, I am sure.

  • borogirl54

    I think that the job requirement and job training requirement for food stamps is a good idea. There are people who would go along with this because the reason that they are on food stamps and other government assistance is that they have lost their previous jobs and are still unemployed or are working at low wage jobs.

    • DonReynolds

      The truth is……no amount of job training will work for many of them. A good number are permanently unemployed, particularly those over 40, particularly those with criminal records.

      • Bobbala

        Most are darn near unemployable BECAUSE they’re college grads, military officers, etc. …

        • MikeofAges

          Look for my post above, where I explain “Third Culture”. The concept tells all.

      • FransSusan

        A good number also will not take the jobs that are available. In their minds, they’re above doing anything that requires a lot of energy. Working in agriculture, for example. It’s just too much like slavery. I actually heard a black person say that.

  • Bobbala

    So tell me again about this free market that was supposed to have destroyed the World’s Lone Superpower …

  • DonReynolds

    Don’t worry about the 700 billion……this country cannot continue on the same path for ten more years.

  • IstvanIN

    Considering how the government that is supposed to protect us has helped ruin the economy by allowing both an explosive in crease in population due to both legal and illegal immigration, allowing manufacturing here to be replaced by cheap imports and assorted outsourcing of even customer service jobs, not to mention expensive foreign wars and aid, why pick on FS recipients?

  • DonReynolds

    The amount in many states is much more generous than they would spend if they were using their own money to buy food. I know this for a fact.

    • Guest

      What people really do, that means people who do not use their food stamps grant to buy themselves relatively wholesome food, is spend it buying expensive processed and snack foods or normal groceries at more expensive though more convenient markets. When the money runs out, they just muddle through until the next month’s grant.

      Others may engage outright fraud. That could be buying groceries for another person in exchange for a lesser amount of cash. It could be getting cash or ineligible merchandise from a crooked merchant. Or it could be trading groceries for some other commodity — maybe drugs, maybe booze, maybe merchandise, maybe sex.

      I doubt there is anything that can be imagined that doesn’t happen. But most common scenario of questionable use is that recipients squander their grant on eligible but high priced food items.

      Never forget. All welfare is corporate welfare. Only when the grant is not passed through to a designated corporate recipient is there actionable fraud.

  • Beetlejuice

    This is a great ploy by the stupid party before the 2014 elections. The media and DemoRATS will inundate the American public, and indeed are already doing this, with the message that evil republicans are demanding draconian cuts to the social safety net because they want to starve children and old people.

    Hey, poor people deserve lobster, t-bone steaks and fine booze too, and they’ll vote for whoever promises to give these things to them, using YOUR money, of course.

    • MBlanc46

      If the Repubs can’t make their case to the electorate, that’s their problem.

  • Ella

    I could never understand Democrats who view working for food as “humiliating” and “draconian.” I mean overeating is not about indulgence and being selfish, especially when you have others paying for your keep. (sarcasm) We all work for food!

    • MikeofAges

      That’s why it’s corporate welfare. Nothing wrong with limiting, within reason, what people can buy. And I do have personal experience. Right now, just about everything comestible is on the list. Candy. Soda. High-price snack food. Prepared cold food sold in supermarkets, but not hot food. Even if it’s the same item at the same price. The idea is, get the money to the vendor, the processor, the producer. The recipient is the conduit.

      There is no concern, even, for encouraging the recipient to shop for price. There are huge differences in what you might pay for the same list of groceries, depending on where you shop. If you calculated the extent to which “food stamp” money is spent on non-nutritional food and at overpriced stores, I imagine the waste rate would be about 70 percent, exclusive of outright fraud. I know many people have transportation problems, but most have some choices. And I’m sure they don’t make good one quite often.

      • MBlanc46

        I don’t know the exact percentage, but many food stamp recipients are employed. The taxpayers are subsidizing employers, picking up part of the tab for the wages.

        • Ella

          Over half are single/divorced women on food stamps. There are too many households in the US that are single-headed that adds to more consumer consumption and inflation. This 60’s social engineering has caused a train wreck and increased poverty as a result with more tax burdens. Even White women increased out-of-wedlock births as the stigma was lifted and welfare programs were increased. Intact families promote civilization.

          • Sick of it

            Members of said households also tend to vote/view things a certain way.

          • MBlanc46

            People make those choices. Most single mothers are such by choice. But none of that is essentially connected to the fact that in the US, for a larger number of reasons, there are far too few jobs that pay a subsistence wage for full-time work.

          • FransSusan

            And those people should not have kids. If you don’t work or if you don’t make enough money to support yourself and children, you just don’t have them. Period.

        • MikeofAges

          Corporate welfare.

          • MBlanc46

            That’s exactly what it is.

  • WR_the_realist

    Democrats are no doubt delighted that under Obama we have record numbers of Americans getting food stamps. They want to make sure that number stays high by importing millions more people to take whatever jobs are available and keep wages low.

  • Ella

    In our State, some political group researched the number of illegals on welfare including food stamps. It came to 38%. Most people have struggled to reduce their food bill coping with mass inflation and even, reduced quantity and quality of food items. A grocery bill for family of five could run $800-1K p/m for the average middle class family. My corporate welfare comes from coupons and not overeating.

  • Mack0

    It might be time to start paying welfare mothers to have their tubes tied. On a voluntary basis of course. The welfare system is a lot like foreign aid. You feed them enough and they have more children, requiring more aid. The cycle repeats. It may seem like a radical idea to pay these people but I’m willing to pay in order to drop the population. And I believe it would cost less in the long run.

    Full disclosure, my mother was on food stamps for a brief period after my father abruptly abandoned his wife and four children. My mother worked while receiving welfare and once she was back on her feet she was no longer on assistance. I understand that sometimes people need a little help. But what we are seeing is not a little help but dependency. Welfare has become a legitimized lifestyle and this needs to stop.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      My mother was on welfare when I was a child too and I agree. My mother was smart enough to at least not have additional children while on welfare, but many are not, and the cost of those extra babies is staggering.

      Paying welfare mothers to have voluntary sterilizations is a wonderful idea. It will disproportionately attract the lowest-IQ welfare mothers, which should have a positive effect on the quality of the children of our nation as a whole.

  • capnmorgan5150

    Their master plan was to take it to another Gamestop and get a refund.

  • Greg Thomas

    “The bill, written under the direction of the House majority leader, Eric Cantor, Republican of Virginia, would cut $40 billion from the food stamp program over the next 10 years.”

    Wow! That’s showing them! I doubt many anchor babies and illegal invaders are going to
    starve with such “drastic cuts!” This government will not allow it.

    • Ella

      If govt. employees removed the 38% illegals who free-ride on the EBT system, this would be more than a 40 billion dollar cut over the next 10 yrs. Then, reduce the type of foods allowed and go back to the basic grocery items for survival like beans, chicken, dairy, cheese and fruits/veggies. I think EBT gives too much credit and should force people to buy wisely by limiting food products.

    • NorthSea

      Since Cantor is such a friend of Israel, I wonder what he wants to do with all of the “savings”.

    • We get no government assistance at all, but on Friday, since the weather was nice, Ariadne and I walked to the nearby King Soopers (Kroger) supermarket. My truck is running again, but I figured we’d save on diesel. Focusing on sale items and with coupons and a “Sooper Card” membership, we took $3.89 off the bill, leaving us paying $23.37. No expensive “convenience” food at all, so we did extremely well on this amount of money.

      The walk was great; we saw rabbits, a fox, a good-sized gopher snake, and watched a peregrine falcon nail a mourning dove.

      It gripes me that the government is willing to extort money from working families in order that ethnic bloc-voters can avoid having to make these sorts of responsible choices while grocery shopping. As others have pointed out on this thread, since so many of the diversitards are overweight – sometimes frighteningly so – it also wouldn’t hurt them to walk on their shopping trips.

      • MBlanc46

        Fair enough. That said, it’s as unreasonable to expect responsible shopping from your garden-variety hood rat as it is to expect responsible anything else from them. They don’t do responsible. They don’t grasp the notion of responsible. People with better developed impulse control and long-range thinking have to impose responsible behavior on them.

        • Then the government should stop using our money to insulate them from the consequences of their irresponsibility.

          • MBlanc46

            I’d say that what we need to do is to contain and control them so that their ability to act irresponsibly, at least in substantial ways, is minimized.

  • pcmustgo

    It’s amazing to think only 3% of whites or so are 130+

    I’m a 137

    • Jefferson

      If you have an I.Q of 137, than you must have a very well paying job. You must be easily pulling in over $100,000 a year at the minimum.

  • Jefferson

    Can you please provide us a link to where you got these numbers ?

  • NorthSea

    Good beginning. Now let’s cut some real waste, the Pentagon budget. Oh, and $3 billion a year to Israel.

  • It’s a pity they didn’t try that with one of those “white Hispanics” we keep hearing about.

  • MBlanc46

    To get unemployment compensation, you have to have worked.

  • Most people on food stamps are white.

    But the GOP still gets white voters because the Dem are so antiwhite that most whites are pushed away from the Dems and into the arms of the GOP.

    The Dems anti-white agenda allows the GOP to be anti-working class and pro-plutocrat.

    • Andy

      Most people on food stamps are not white anymore. But there are more poor whites than poor blacks or poor Hispanics. Whites are just less likely to get/accept assistance.

      • OlderWoman

        White will do any kind of work, and even work two or more jobs to stay off the welfare rolls. The White race is fiercely independent. We’ve been taught by our parents that we should be responsible for ourselves.

  • Andy

    About a sixth if you use 70 as the cutoff. Another third are borderline.

  • Andy

    Food stamps recipients do not buy more food when they start receiving aid. They start spending money that would have gone to food on other things. Sometimes this is reasonable (healthcare, rent, etc). In a lot of cases, though, “food stamps” are not going to anything worthwhile.

  • My comments about people buying expensive convenience foods with food stamps was validated just this afternoon. A woman with a small boy in front of me in line at Wal Mart paid for gourmet frozen pizza with her EBT card. Since she exceeded her card limit (that’s how I heard), she paid for the rest of the groceries in cash; she gets paid “under-the-table”.

    How nice. Here, we’re so stupid we make pizza using flour tortillas as the crusts.

  • People who really are desperate rarely waste the money that way. When we were in a bad way, I shot all the rabbits in the area with a BB gun, and we ate them with rice. They always went down right away, as I would wait until the rabbit was turned away, and shoot through the brain stem. As a close student of the law, I cited “garden pests” when the police eventually turned up. We also ate pigeons, until they were extinct in the area. I cut the heads and feet off, cleaned (gutted) them, packed them with dry breadcrumbs and crushed red pepper from pizza packets (one packet per bird), and sewed them back up. I plastered them with native bentonite clay before baking them. The feathers come off with the hardened clay. The pigeons never have come back, and have been replaced by native mourning doves, which as a native species, I leave alone. The rabbits have – predictably – made a massive comeback.

    Every part of a dandelion is edible. We still use the greens in salads and sandwiches. Rose hips are edible – cut them open and remove the hard little seeds (I plant those wherever else I want wild roses). Chickweed tubers and cat-tail roots are edible. Kelp is edible, and quite nice when sun-dried and then grated.

    I miss steaming sand crabs I caught on Coogee beach in Sydney, and now that I have finally found “Old Bay” spice again, I’m 1000 miles from the ocean. You just can’t win.

    • convairXF92

      Seems like you’ve rediscovered Chinese beggar’s chicken.

      Once I had to go for a good part of a year working in a lab with no funding. This started in the spring, when the chickweeds and dandelions were just sprouting. Chickweed leaves and flowers, cleaned (wash well as they pick up all sorts of dirt), boiled with soy sauce, are tasty. Pigweeds, cooked the same way, will also function as an all-natural laxative. Wild mustard greens (with yellow flowers) were the best. These plus noodles or rice with beans got rid of my excess fat.

      The Italians in my hometown made wine out of dandelion flowers.

      Try for pizza crust: flour, oil, baking soda, something acid (vinegar, fruit juice). I don’t know the proportions offhand. Greeks make cake like this.

      • Dandelion flowers make a lovely dandelion wine. I distilled some to make dandelion brandy once, and gave it to my mother. It is the color of a Manila envelope and amazingly good. She still has a few bottles she saves for special occasions.