Maternal Urge Decreases by a Quarter for Every 15 Extra IQ Points

Ruth Styles, Daily Mail (London), August 5, 2013

Historian Lucy Worsley caused a furore when she remarked last year that she had been ‘educated out of the natural reproductive function’.

Now it seems she might have had a point, after a new study has revealed a clear correlation between intelligence and childlessness–with cleverer women more likely to choose not to have a family.

The study, which was conducted by Satoshi Kanazawa, a researcher at the London School of Economics, found that a woman’s urge to have children decreases by a quarter for every 15 extra IQ points.

When Kanazawa, who used data from the UK’s National Child Development Study, added controls for economics and education, the results remained the same–the more intelligent the woman, the less likely she was to have children.

Worsley isn’t the UK’s only famously clever childless woman, with others including Cambridge professor Mary Beard, BBC presenter Kate Humble and actress Helen Mirren.

In the USA, Oprah Winfrey, Cameron Diaz and Eva Mendes are among the famous names who have said they’ll never become mothers, with Diaz adding: ‘I have the life I have because I don’t have children.’

Mendes too has said that she values her lifestyle too much to share it with children. ‘I don’t want kids,’ she said. ‘I love sleep and I worry about everything.’

Humble, meanwhile, told the Times that she just ‘doesn’t have a maternal gene’ and resolved not to have children at the age of 14.

‘People are very judgmental,’ she added. ‘It’s as if I made a selfish decision not to have children, but I never, ever, wanted them.’

Humble and co. certainly aren’t alone, with figures released by the Office of National Statistics revealing that the proportion of women without children has almost doubled since the 1990s.

One in five 45-year-olds is childless, while among those with degrees, the figure rises to 43 per cent, suggesting that Kanazawa’s findings are sound.

A social study, conducted by social scientist Dr Nattavudh Powdthavee of the University of York, revealed that the notion that happiness comes from having children is illusory and offers yet another clue to why so many clever women are rejecting motherhood.

‘Parents spend much of their time attending to the very core processes of childcare: problems at school, cooking, laundry,’ said Powdthavee in an interview with the Times.

‘It’s these small but negative experiences that are more likely to impact on our day-to-day levels of happiness and life satisfaction.’

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  • Anan7

    This does not bode well for society.

    If a woman has half a brain, she cares about the future. If she knows she’s in the top 10% of the IQ bell curve, she should also care about future generations.

    Right now the people who can’t even feed themselves reproduce far faster than the producers do. This is not sustainable.

    • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

      I understand your perspective but most people are not willing to sacrifice their own wishes for the sake of the human race. You sacrifice the best years of your life being dedicated to the well being of your children and that’s fine if that is what you want to do. One can also argue that those with no desire to be parents would probably not give the attention to their children necessary for them to then become good parents.

    • willbest

      Why should a high IQ woman care about future generations. In the long run she is dead so what difference does it make that comes after her? If she commits to no children, then there isn’t even for her progeny to worry about.

      It gets even better. Somebody else’s kids are going to be footing her medical bill (medicare) and pension (SS).

      • Sloppo

        I would agree more with your post if you replaced “high IQ” with “selfish”.

      • MBlanc46

        “It gets even better. Somebody else’s kids are going to be footing her medical bill (medicare) and pension (SS).”

        Or not.

    • Natassia

      A high IQ is no substitute for wisdom and morals.

      • Steven Bannister

        As the Bolsheviks prove….

    • MBlanc46

      You’re clearly not talking about Americans.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      “If she knows she’s in the top 10% of the IQ bell curve, she should also care about future generations”

      Well, yes, that is what is ideal and that is what we would all like. But what this woman has found in her studies is obviously biological, meaning it is hardly a matter of high IQ women just suddenly deciding “gee I don’t want kids”. It goes deeper than that. What we need to do now is find a way to solve the problem.

      • jane johnson

        How about a full ride to the woman’s college of choice, like an athletic scholarship for mothers…1 child=A.A., 2 children=B.A., and so on. Include housing and a decent stipend for other expenses, including childcare. Good medical insurance would be necessary, of course. Just a thought.

        • Galt

          You already get quotas, AA, and preferences in the new, “diverse” corporate environment and you are saying you want more if you pop out kids…

          Meanwhile, moths were last seen exiting the U.S Treasury.

          • jane johnson

            I’m a 57 year old only child, had only one child myself, and am helping to raise my 4 month old grandson, who is also an “only”. While I love my grandson, who was born premature and requires a lot of care, 12-13 hours a day of poop, spit-up, and general fussiness isn’t exactly stimulating, intellectually. That being said, my suggestion re “Mom scholarships” was meant as an alternative to the corporate track, rather than a way to achieve it. I envision such a program as being privately funded (no government interference), restricted to high IQ WHITE women, and geared heavily toward degrees in education, so that graduates will be prepared to, at least, homeschool their own children, and, at most, found private schools for other White kids to learn about their heritage without the PC indoctrination of public (government) schools. Needs a lot of tweaking, I know, but like I said, it’s just a thought.

  • CoweringCoward

    Disgenic all the way, great news. This is what the feminists fought tooth and nail for after all right?

  • sbuffalonative

    It answers the question why the lower classes have more kids.

    It only gets worse knowing that our system subsidizes low IQ parents.

  • Rhialto

    I believe that Jewish women’s reproductive rate does not decrease that rapidly (if at all) with increase in intelligence. I also remember reading that Black women’s reproductive rate decreases even more rapidly with higher intelligence.

    • dd121

      Black women…high IQ. Is there such a thing?

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        Depends on the percentage of white admixture.

  • Spartacus

    When the System finally collapses, feminists will have to be gotten rid of in a particularly gruesome manner .

    • WR_the_realist

      Why? Feminists have already jumped out of the gene pool. What more needs to be done?

      • Spartacus

        Justice.

  • Romulus

    Kanichi what? Natta hood padadawaddaad!! Where are they finding t hese researchers! The results are what you would expect to see from 5 decades of feminism, nothing more! This study should surprise NO ONE ON THIS BOARD.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Satoshi Kanazawa deserves respect. He’s a Japanese race realist who almost lost his job after doing studies that showed blacks have the lowest IQs and black women are considered the least attractive.

      • Romulus

        I’m aware of his research. That’s not what I was making light of.I meant to draw a parallel to foreign immigration. Here’s a fun fact! The Hawaiian islands are now 60% Japanese, so what did all those American boys die for?! Are there not any intelligent Englishman that still author studies?! That was the gist of my comment.

  • I don’t think it has been IQ-ed out.

    1) People with large numbers of children generally don’t live as well as people with small families.
    2) A lot of people look down on families with a large number of children.
    3) Woman have do not want to have babies because they feel that at 50 men won’t mistake them for being in their 20s.
    4) They think their breasts might sag.
    5) The cost of non-public schools which now compete with public schools for opulance.
    6) Women are now “career women”.
    7) It’s rough to have multiple children when you don’t start until 35+.
    8) Today’s single woman that no man is good enough for, except Tom Brady (only because he married a model though).
    9) Divorce.

    • RisingReich

      6 and 8 are big factors. #9 also makes men very leery of marriage today along with the fact that the judicial system HATES MEN.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      This is a societal issue, that started a few decades ago. This isn’t only the fault of women.

      • Oil Can Harry

        Correct. Equal blame must go to the modern white liberal beta male wusses.

        • I’m not sure that’s right. They’ve just been bullied enough that they take little to no responsibility.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I agree Michael, but in that case these women shouldn’t be getting blamed either. They are just conforming to what society currently expects of them.

  • IstvanIN

    This isn’t the result of feminism, although feminism no doubt made this phenomenon worse. Upper class and educated women have generally had fewer children throughout history. A former Prime Minster of Singapore bemoaned the less intelligent women in his nation reproducing too much and the smart women not enough. The question is how do we encourage the better women to have more children? Children are the future. Smart children are the future engine of advancement. We have far more low IQ people than we will ever need in a technologically advanced society. What shall we do?

    • Sick of it

      Watch The White Queen or read about Elizabeth Woodville. Just ONE example of the opposite.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    Hmm, this doesn’t make too much sense from an evolutionary standpoint. If high IQ women never had children, then we humans wouldn’t have the IQ we have today. On the other hand, homosexuality doesn’t make much sense from an evolutionary standpoint either, and yet gays we have with us…

    • IstvanIN

      over the last 50 years two very important changes have taken place:
      1) Reliable birth control, which allows a woman to have a regular sex life without getting pregnant.
      2) It is far more acceptable for a woman to remain single, and far more possible for a woman to support herself in a comfortable fashion.

      Homosexuality (people who have exclusive same-sex attraction) is a different issue in so much as it is probably determined before birth, and is thus more akin to a birth defect than any sort of evolutionary feature.

      • tech

        And also, before, low IQ people couldn’t produce as much or well, they could but they would all die sooner anyways without all of the aid and social support they receive now.

      • Tim_in_Indiana

        But regardless of the reasons for homosexuality, gays don’t reproduce normally, so one would think they would have been selected against by evolution. Therefore, there should be no gays, since they are unable to pass on the “gay gene” to their offspring.

        • IstvanIN

          There doesn’t have to be a “gay” gene for someone to be born gay. It could be the way the brain is wired while in the womb, probably due to the way the fetus reacts to hormones in the first trimester. At any rate lots of traits that are not positive, such as cystic fibrosis and hemophilia, managed to get passed on not because the person who has it passes it on, but because a carrier passes it on.

      • Sick of it

        Homosexuality wasn’t as widespread before the environment was saturated with estrogen-like chemicals. Also not as widespread prior to cultural acceptance.

        Who often becomes gay? Those who are raped as children. I read one lady talk about how she was horribly abused as a child by her female babysitter…then talked about a lesbian relationship she had as a teenager, also with an older woman, as a good thing. Think about it.

        • IstvanIN

          I doubt the majority of gays were raped as children. And then how would you explain molested children who don’t turn out gay?

          • Sick of it

            People with morals vs. people without morals.

        • WR_the_realist

          Estrogen mimicking chemicals and certain pharmaceuticals that upset hormone balance may well have increased the incidence of homosexuality. I suspect that very few cases of homosexuality are caused by childhood trauma.

    • WR_the_realist

      Back in the days of sexism and patriarchy, the job market for women was pretty limited. Intelligent women typically became school teachers, and most who did were happy to leave that job behind once they found the right man and got married. But encourage woman to become lawyers, business executives, and college professors and guess what — they find that to compete with men they have to do what the men do and work 60 hours a week. Obviously that doesn’t leave any time for looking after toddlers. There has always been a certain small percentage of women who never had the slightest interest in raising children. One of my sisters is like that. For them feminism and the cultural and legal changes that it brought about were a godsend. But overall feminism is proving profoundly dysgenic, with low IQ women now having far more children than high IQ women.

      Human society is inherently highly imperfect. As soon as you fix one gross injustice you find that you’ve simply created new problems worse than the one you fixed.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        The idea of a woman having a profession such as a lawyer or an executive etc….. makes me want to vomit. It is unnatural and gross. I can only imagine how much stress these women put on their bodies by being in these positions, which probably further contributes to infertility. It is like imagining women as warriors. It is just unnatural and disgusting.

        • WR_the_realist

          The current cause celebre of the feminist movement is to get women into combat positions. And God help the military officer who goes against this. It’s nuts. I’m against war generally. I don’t think America should be world cop and, except for a brief moment when they actually went after Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, I’ve never seen our troops actually defend my own country in my lifetime. We’re always fighting somebody else’s war. But if a war must be fought, common sense says that it should be the men who fight it. I don’t know any man who would want his wife or girl friend off fighting a war.

        • A married couple does not really need two incomes to live on, unless they want every new gadget and a big house.

          • Sick of it

            Increasing taxes, decreasing wages, unemployment, and underemployment are changing things.

        • Antipodean WN

          I agree, a few decades ago, women in the workforce were either school teachers or nurses. And that is the way it should have remained.

          Think of the disgusting Angela Corey and that Judge Nelson of the Zimmerman trial. Absolute monsters.

    • MBlanc46

      Women didn’t used to have the choice to not bear children. Before c. 1960 marriage was the socially expected state for adults and contraception was difficult, unreliable, and often socially discouraged.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        It is a very sad situation, the way our society has turned out. The sad thing is that a lot of white people of both genders are remaining childless past 30 simply as a matter of circumstances in modern day society. They didn’t really make that choice. A small minority of them did……the feminist career women and the men who choose to be bachelors. I wish we could return to mores before 1960. People tend to conform to what is fashionable during a certain time. It is sad.

    • Jesse James

      I think that one reason gays might have persisted is that cultural pressures in most societies have forced gays in the past to try and blend in so they had babies just like everyone else.

  • Did you see the current cover of TIME Magazine?

    The cover story is, “The Childfree Life: When having it all means not having children,” by Lauren Sandler.
    Here you are, on Amren, commenting about white superiority. How many white people are too stupid to realize this is propaganda? This is a blatant attempt to brainwash white people into not having children. Meanwhile, the third world women are having 8 or 9 children, which the gullible white people are paying for.
    I wonder what would happen if that happy, carefree couple on the cover were a couple of Mexicans or black, or Chinese?

    • bigone4u

      At the university the white women profs usually had no children, while the Hispanic women profs had five or so on average and although paid more than the white women, performed their job duties poorly in order to spend time with the kids. You are correct, sir, as Ed McMahon used to say to Johnny.

    • IstvanIN

      Very sad, empty people from my point of view.

    • Funruffian

      I agree. But think of it this way. Once you are dead and you haven’t any descendants to think or worry about, there’s nothing to worry about. You’re gone.

      • IstvanIN

        The only way remain immortal is through our children.

      • Jesse James

        This shallow attitude and lack of moral seriousness is typical of the modern age. We have a duty and responsibility to procreate and continue our line into the future. It is payment of the debt that you owe to your parents and grandparents for making the investment of time and money into your nurture that can only be repaid by doing your best to have and raise responsible moral children who know and respect their family and who in turn will raise another generation. It was once when most people still held religion in esteem considered your Duty to God.

        • Sick of it

          Your last sentence speaks volumes about the situation today.

    • WR_the_realist

      I’m smart enough to have realized for a very long time that almost everything in Time or Newsweek (now internet only) is propaganda. The same of course can be said for almost everything in the major broadcast media.

      • Antipodean WN

        But we are not allowed on Amren to ask, who is putting out this propaganda and benefiting from it. That question is off limits here in the same way race realism is off limits on a Tim Wise blog.

    • Sick of it

      The name of the author gives away a bit of information as well.

    • Antipodean WN

      I agree completely DB Cooper.

      The question then is, who controls the media who puts out this garbage?

      In fact these people try to make trouble for all societies. I’ve heard East Asia’s birthrates are even lower than white ones.

      The Economist had an article not long ago “the decline of asian marriage, Asia’s lonely hearts” showing an Asian woman fleeing an Asian man (google it)

      As well as trying to subvert normal family life in other cultures, it was obviously propaganda to encourage race-mixing between white men and Asian women, ala sickos such as John Derbyshire and Ramzpaul, grandiosely touted as the ‘foremost spokesman for the white race’ by Amren.

      That tribe will do everything to stop white people, and even other races from pursuing a normal happy life. And they will do everything to try and miscegenate the white race out of existence.

  • bigone4u

    Patriarchy vs. Matriarchy. We live in a wordlwide matriarchy in which women decide most things of consequence, including how many children to have and who runs the country. Women’s votes were decisive for Obama in the USA, while in Russia who gives Putin the most trouble–Pussy Riot and their followers, of course. Strong men like Putin are virtually nonexistent or pariahs in the USA. Weak, pandering girly men want amnesty for illegals, more benefits for welfare moms, more interracial Cheerios commercials and porn, TV shows like The View, and many of them want to become transsexuals. It’s all related. It’s the matriarchy in action.

    • IstvanIN

      I was a Putin fan but as time gos on I find him less and less savory. Trampling on civil rights, manipulating the system to stay in office, and what is with the shirtless pictures and plastic surgery, which really gives me the creeps. Something is off with him. I think we could have a strong leader, without the showboating, who would attract the female vote. Ronald Regan was pretty good, he didn’t seem to back down too often, as was Margaret Thatcher (yes, I am aware she was a woman).

      • Sick of it

        Putin is not the best leader, but sadly does do better than what we have in the rest of the western world. Everyone else seems to enjoy selling out his own nation to ruin.

        • jane johnson

          Compared to Obama, Putin looks like Zeus. No, actually, he looks more like Sylvester slapping Tweety around.

          • Sick of it

            Since he is pro-Russian particularly, I do not feel the impetus to move there. If he would welcome American ex-pats…let’s just say this place is nothing like what my forefathers built.

    • MBlanc46

      Unfortunately, machines and the bureaucratic state make matriarchy entirely feasible.

  • David Ashton

    This is why fellow-whites on AmRen opposed to race realists who value high IQ must think again. Some among our elites, who do think about future generations, may be discouraged from bringing children into an overcrowded multiracial world with more stupid and feckless people breeding at our expense. We need to give our own productive sections hope. We have to overcome white defeatism and suicide at every level, and in every way.

    To repeat my advice: (1) Breed like kind, (2) protect the heritage, (3) master cyberspace.

    • willbest

      My IQ is in the 130s, my wife is in the 120s we have 3 kids and are debating a 4th. People around me ask me why so many and I say moral obligation.

      • Steven Bannister

        Good for you!

      • Spartacus

        Go for the 4th, then the 5th, and as many after that as you can. And do remember to teach them how to fight, as it would be a shame to have a high-IQ brain splattered all over the concrete by some dumb groid.

      • Sick of it

        Keep up the good work. Wish my sister had a 4th.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    In the USA, Oprah Winfrey, Cameron Diaz and Eva Mendes are among the famous names who have said they’ll never become mothers, with Diaz adding: ‘I have the life I have because I don’t have children.’
    .
    Gee thanks Amren. Thanks to you I had Mountain Dew coming out of my nose. If these are the “high IQ” women in the USA, then God help us.

    • Andy

      Want to know something really shocking? Kesha and Lady Gaga are literal geniuses.

    • willbest

      Isn’t IQ linked to most skills. Such that generally speaking those that are more successful in anything generally are of higher IQ. It would therefore be necessary to prove they are exceptions to the rule

    • IstvanIN

      They probably are. A real dimwit isn’t going to be able to memorize a script or hold a conversation like Oprah does. Plus you have to be smart enough to know you don’t know everything and need to hire competent people to help run your empire. Oprah doesn’t do everything herself.

  • NorthernWind

    This is why high IQ populations need traditional society to survive and prosper. The loss of religion has been a significant factor in our downfall. This atheistic and materialistic world we live in is highly destructive to high IQ populations, and thus to civilization as well.

    As an atheist this is a conclusion I did not want to come to, but alas, here I am. Without structure and order high IQ populations are lost. The low IQ however will still reproduce en masse because they have poor future planning and lesser control over their base urges. Meanwhile the high IQ will limit the number of children they have to maximize the pursuit of things they can acquire. The car, the house, vacations, and gadgets are more important than anything else.

    We live in a truly tragic era…

    • Spartacus

      There’s a compromise solution that seems to work well for many people :

      https://en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Cultural_Christian

    • IstvanIN

      Religion provides a frame work for life and moral guidance. Human beings also need rules, and while the “social contract” between people in a relatively homogenous society can help provide that, as well as laws, religion is an important part of that. People forget that ritual is important. Also, personally, I feel a life without belief in God leaves one without hope.

      • MBlanc46

        The problem with religion, of course, is that it’s demonstrably false.

        • IstvanIN

          Because we know, for an absolute fact, how it all began!

          • MBlanc46

            Well, we know it wasn’t Zeus and Hera.

          • Andy

            In Greek mythology it started with Chaos, not Zeus and Hera.

        • ThomasER916

          It doesn’t take long for the Useful Idiots of Cultural Marxism to show up.

  • willbest

    If you increase the quantity of high IQ productive class you are just going to increase the low IQ productive class numbers as well because the current system is set up to pay them to produce children. Have to change the incentive structure before imposing societal moral imperatives on high IQ women. Otherwise there isn’t much point.

    • Andy

      Perhaps, but I think if the productive class was having more children of its own it would be moved to put its resources there instead of into other people’s children.

  • Funruffian

    Naturally, this article was written by a single woman with no children. Do you think she would make the opposite argument that women who want children are more intelligent?
    I’m not so certain about this. I think it’s admirable for a woman to know better whether or not she is capable of raising a child. They should know. Intuitively women know whether becoming a parent will affect their life’s goals and that requires thoughtful foresight. I don’t believe Cameron Diaz or Eva Mendes are particularly intelligent women from the candid interviews I’ve seen.
    As far as intelligence I think there are many more variables to consider about raising children. If you fear the future of being a parent then it’s best to be without children.

    • Sick of it

      I’ve known numerous women who didn’t think they would be good parents or did not seem like they would be good parents and they turned into very fine parents. Once they have the responsibility, it changes them.

  • RisingReich

    I find myself recently very depressed at the very limited availability of White women in general, but of relative high IQ specifically. They just aren’t interested. Or busy pursuing ‘vibrant diversity’. White men who want families are ‘bigots’ and want women ‘bare-foot and pregnant’.

    I recently had to help a life long friend pull out of a major depression brought on by his divorce instigated by one of these ‘high IQ’ women. She’s got a Phd in pharmacology and at the age of 35 lost her darn mind, decided to start stripping and then cheated on my friend repeatedly. Tragically, somehow he’s now on the hook for child support and alimony, because her rich family threatened to ‘make it ugly’. Seems pretty ugly without their help. Her family is a typical leftist Shyster run Florida lawyer’s clan.

    Cultural Marxism, Feminism, and Civil Rights have ruined any chance for normalcy for many, many White men and women. Men and women were created to be complementary to each other, and all I see now is competition, division, and poison between us.

    Cultural Marxism is a force for the Devil as is Feminism, Civil Rights, and pretty much everything this bastardized government and society now ‘stands for’.

    It’s a wonder I decide to get out of bed in the morning thinking about this….running out of reasons to keep doing it. “Hope beyond hope” comes to mind, but that just seems stupid to me now….

    • tech

      Where do you live? If you don’t mind me asking.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Sorry to hear. Hang in there. Trust me, things aren’t too good for white women either.

    • Andy

      I find myself depressed at the limited availability of reactionary men in New England.

  • jane johnson

    Okay, maybe I’m taking this too literally, but at what level of intelligence do IQ points become “extra”? And does the baseline vary by race? And, conversely, does the maternal urge increase as the IQ decreases? I’ve read the original article, and all the comments, but no one has asked, much less answered, these questions.

    • IstvanIN

      No, that is a very good point. Since average IQ varies by race where does the drop-off in the maternal urge begin, does it differ by race? Or, as people evolve to become smarter, do we naturally reproduce less?

  • Jefferson

    As a White man, the reason I don’t have any kids at the moment is because I can not financially support a child on a Barnes & Noble salary. And I don’t want to bring a child into the world right now so that White taxpayers can foot the bill.

    That is what separates me from Bantu men. A Bantu men would have no problem breeding a crap load of kids on a Barnes & Noble salary because of his low I.Q.

    • gemjunior

      24 of them is no problem to them…

    • Evette Coutier

      This is a difficult situation because our low birthrate is killing us. We need more white babies.

    • IstvanIN

      I don’t mind paying taxes to support your kids. It is them I resent.

    • Jesse James

      Have kids when you are young, you will manage to muddle through, the rest of us did. Trust me I grew up in a poor community in S. Georgia and pretty much nobody had much of anything material but we were rich in friends and family. Having children is an act of faith in the future. Be resolute, find a good woman and take up the challenge of forging your own future.

    • We don’t get anything from anyone, but we have Ariadne and we pay the bills on time. Chicken soup with rice today was not Campbells. I have the broth from another batch of boiled chicken bones strained out of the liquid (now going through coffee filters) after a 72-hour boil in the slow-cooker. We also have frozen six quarts.

      The boiled bones crumble to the touch after they’re done, and when these are dry in the tray atop the toaster-oven, we put them in the compost bucket and bury them in the vegetable planters late each October and May.

      We only have one, so far.

  • gemjunior

    These women, like many successful women I know, are just utterly self-absorbed and consumed with every ridiculously tiny superficial thing about themselves. They are incessantly talking about how they are going to fit going to the gym between a business meeting and an art opening they’re going to. Then they go for manicure and facials, injections in their face, cellulite treatments in some special machine that costs them $1000 each time and blows apart fat cells (LOL) probably brain cells. They pick at lettuce leaves, pick at every small flaw in themselves, and if they did bother to have a child it’s usually only one child or two and left with a Filapina nanny who the kids love more than their own mother. I actually know 2 girls I went to college with who married men they didn’t love just for money because they wanted to have a house in the Hamptons for the summer. It’s only now that I see it actually IS easier to have a lot of $$$ – I never considered it a factor before because I came from a working class family and we always had just enough to be content. I couldn’t understand why these two never had 5 kids each because they could have.
    Women today are sick in the head is all I can think, but it’s truly what they absorb from an early age that sets them on this path. When you have 4 kids people consider that a big family today. I believe they aren’t thinking – too selfish. I think it will come to them two late – the meaning of a family or the meaning of leaving behind something to show for yourself as a sign that you’d ever been there. We have an obligation to our forbears to continue the line, and continue the name. There’s a series called “The Century of the Self” that I’ve heard of that describes a lot of this. I haven’t seen it but heard it describes a lot of this – why women are now so selfish and why the outside or the shell is more important than the sould or the substance. Nobody wants to be ugly or marry someone hideous but “perfect” housewives or 50 year old botoxed starved moms that try to look like teenagers fill me with nausea.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Our entire society is messed up. White men aren’t at their best either right now.

      • MekongDelta69

        White men aren’t at their best either right now.

        Expanding on that, I’m sure you meant:
        Leftist, Birkenstock wearing, pony tail having, ‘vibrant diversity’ loving, self-loathing, guilt-ridden, cowardly, wussy White men.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Well, yeah. Just like how the white women who are messed up are only a subset of the population also.

    • Jesse James

      White men need to stop blaming their women and start leading their families again. Yes the times are difficult now for us and American culture is toxic but that doesn’t matter. What matters is that you show the resolve and determination to make sure that we, the white race, and you in your particular line show up for the future. If we don’t do this thing then all other issues are irrelevant.

      • Sick of it

        Another way to phrase what he is saying is that it is hard to find a good mate today. I’ve certainly been disappointed numerous times.

        • Jesse James

          Yes I don’t disagree with that statement but it doesn’t change the essence of the problem, reproduce or perish from the world forever.

  • Evette Coutier

    The issue of birthrate is a technological issue. Before modern civilization lower ability people had much lower survival rates. Higher levels of reproduction was an evolutionary strategy to sustain the family line. Higher functioning individuals have higher survival odds and therefore can have lower birthrates and still transfer their genetics. As technology advanced, the mortality rate of those at the lower end of the totem pole have been provided medical care that increases their survival rate. In a real sense our technology has subsidized genetic inferiority.

    • jane johnson

      Not to mention foreign aid and birthright citizenship.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    For all the attacks against white women for being feminists, I find it interesting that the two main female scientists involved in this study are both Asian. I am actually starting to notice more and more prominent Asian feminists, and black ones for that matter too. Feminism doesn’t know a particular race. It is a mental disorder that can influence any group of women, and men for that matter, if they are exposed to it enough. Considering how much our leaders have forced it down our throats in Western countries, it is a wonder that more white women aren’t hard core feminists.

    • Chris Granzow XI

      Reminds me of something I saw the other day–> youtube. com/watch?v=Yi8tmQ3oQwc (skip to about 2:30 if you’re in a hurry)

    • Sick of it

      There has been quite a trend of feminism among Asian women for decades now. Japanese popular culture is filled with such garbage today.

  • pcmustgo

    I think smart women may have a harder time finding mates… and finding happiness… Don’t most men like dumb(er) women?

    • ThomasER916

      Wrong. It is a fact that if a woman makes more money than a man she will file for divorce 90% of the time.

      Women are instinctively hypergamous. Men are not. Women marry up. Men do not. For women, happiness is a better man. Such is not the instinctive requirement for men. Women are the greater share of the world’s gold diggers.

      Women have only themselves to blame, as much as Feminists try to do otherwise.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Is anybody else noticing how white kids in general today aren’t very well behaved, aren’t very cute anymore, and when it comes to appearance they aren’t very attractive, and their features are getting darker and darker? I am at least noticing this in certain urban areas of the South and the East Coast.

    More and more white kids have brown eyes and brown hair, which is disturbing since white kids of Northern European ancestory typically have blonde hair, and then it darkens when they get older. Plus I see their skin getting tanner and tanner. They aren’t very cute anymore, and they lack interesting personalities. I am noticing this more and more when I interact with large groups of kids that belong to other people.

    This is probably a very ugly thing for me to say, but I am just sharing what I have been seeing around me over the past decade. It is painful to observe.

    • Jefferson

      It makes sense for a lot of White kids on the East Coast and especially the Northeast to be born with brown eyes and brown hair, especially since a very high percentage of Whites in the Northeast are of the Non WASP variety like the Italians, the Jews, the Greeks, the Russians, the Albanians, etc and other folks from the Balkans.

      The cast of Housewives Of New Jersey for example, none of the White women on that show have blonde hair and blue eyes.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I understand that, but overall Southern Europeans are a minority of the white population in this country, and I am noticing these trends in areas that are largely WASP. It is disturbing.

    • Sick of it

      It’s a dysgenic society today.

    • Antipodean WN

      Well the solution is to have some kids of your own. I’m sure they’ll be cute.
      But all too many white woman nowadays prefer to have sex and babies with blacks and even Asians and their kids have this sort of mudpie look.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I plan to have my own kids. As for race mixing, white men do it too, you know, especially with the Asians you just mentioned.

    • Andy

      My family is English, German, Scottish, and Welsh. My parents and sister and brother had light blond hair when they were little, but my hair has always been brown (although it was very light in the summer when I was little). My half-sister also had brown hair as a child (her other half is Polish). Most of the kids I knew growing up had brown hair too.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        When I was little it seemed that most kids were blonde. White kids that is.

  • cablegirls

    If there’s a problem here — and I think there is — it’s not that smart women are having fewer kids, it’s that dumb ones are having too many. The world’s population has been growing much too fast in recent decades; it’s on its way to criticalmass.

  • WR_the_realist

    There are certainly some self centered men who just don’t want to be tied down. But for many men who want children the high probability of a divorce combined with the horrors that follow is enough to really discourage them from tying the knot. The horrors may entail:

    1. Losing custody of your children.
    2. Rarely if ever being able to see them.
    3. Your wife may make false charges of child abuse to obtain custody and to prevent you from having visiting rights. Whether the charges stick or not your wife will not be charged with perjury.
    4. Your wages will be garnished to pay for whatever child support a judge decides is best for your children. After this you will probably only be able to afford an apartment in a rundown neighborhood. Your wife gets the house. Your wife will not be required to spend the child support money she receives on the children.

    Today having children is an enormous gamble with a huge downside.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      We all understand that these are major problems that need to be addressed. But I still think that society is to blame for why relationships are so messed up now. It isn’t necessarily the fault of either women or men, and if we are going to go that route, we could find fault in both genders right now. I don’t think there has ever been a society anywhere in history, where the women alone determine the fate and destiny of the direction it goes in. There are usually multiple factors involved.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Thank God I married a Russian who puts family above everything else.

      • Romulus

        A great (white) Russian or a Mediterranean Russian, if you don’t mind my asking?

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Yeah, Russians are interesting. When people think of a Russian stereotype it is either dark hair and dark eyes or very blonde and blue eyed. It is funny how they can be either.

          • Romulus

            Russia was founded by Viking warlords of the RUS tribe of Scandinavia, so if your seeing a Borat Russian, the claim is based on migration. This was how the bolshi entered the country.

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          White Russian papa, curvaceous Ukrainian mama. Tall with the delicate beauty blonf hair, and fair skin of the Russian side, coupled with the certain sturdy voluptuousness (and I DON’T MEAN FAT) of the Ukrainian peasant.

          She is, in just about every sense, perfect.

          • Romulus

            Score!! Good for you my friend! May your love endure until the end of days.

  • Fr. John+

    Both my wife and I have advanced degrees. We both wanted children, and I have found (as a man) that my own personhood has been immeasurably enriched by dealing with all those ‘negatives’ such as diapers, laundry, feeding and caring for an infant, (my wife, as a woman, was way ahead of me on that one!) as well as educating them up to the high school level, by denying my own career, to homeschool them. The only conclusion I can come away with, from this study, is to point out that the older, patriarchal model- education is for men, women should be kept down past the 12th grade, and occupations (and jobs) should return to men alone in the workforce…. that is, only if we want our race to survive.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      I agree with this fully. This is a wonderful solution to the problem (denying women access to college).

      I just wish that people on these websites weren’t so judgmental of women who went that route. Nobody considers the fact that most young women who go to college these days, do it because their parents have been saving up for it since they were babies, and they pretty much have no choice. I doubt the average 18 year old female is capable of deciding on her own “no mom and dad….I refuse to go to school even though that is what you want me to do…..no, instead I am going to stick around here and get part time work, and work on finding a husband”.

      I can’t believe the nature of the comments I see on these websites far too often where women, and only women are getting held accountable for all this stuff. We need to understand that these problems are rooted in our society, and we need to figure out a way to dig deep and fix those problems.

    • MBlanc46

      And when that happens, watch out for the flying pigs.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    How did you notice that exactly? Do couples without children tell you that they don’t care if the white race dies out or is this just your assumption simply because they have no children?
    I think those who choose to have no children could just as well be looked at as being more concerned about the human race as a whole, knowing how overpopulation is destroying the environment and in turn eventually the quality of life on earth for everybody and everything. Those who choose to have no children also know there are more than enough white people who will reproduce, so any concern of the white race going extinct is silly.

    • ms_anthro

      And yet those same people show no concern about Third Worlders having a baker’s dozen of children thanks to the White man’s largesse and charity, medical advances, and farming technologies.

      There’s a reason Whites, and only Whites, are told that they have a duty not to reproduce to “save the Earth” and it has nothing whatsoever to do with environmentalism. Wake up.

      • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

        Stereotype much? I’m concerned with overpopulation but how am I supposed to stop “Third Worlders” from breeding? I feel Mother Nature will correct the imbalance some day through human conflict or disease since I doubt we as a species will ever limit our own population on our own.
        Who exactly is telling whites they have a duty not to reproduce? I have yet to hear this from anybody but you in your above post let alone believe that whites would ever be so stupid as to follow such a directive. You insult whites with such a remark.

        • ms_anthro

          You’re either being disingenuous or not paying attention. Seen the cover of Time lately? There’s one current example for you. I’ll let you find the rest, assuming you’re arguing in good faith.

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            Well, having it all may mean not having children unless you are very wealthy but that still is not anything like what you asserted, that somebody is telling whites they have a duty not to reproduce so I’ll reciprocate and call you the disingenuous one.

          • ms_anthro

            Call me whatever you like. It amounts to nothing but a typical Leftist tactic: attack the messenger instead of refuting the message. More and more of us are waking up, and you can’t stop it. I bet that drives you control freaks absolutely crazy. Good!

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            Well, I know your tactic is to make absurd claims then fail to support them and then go off point and accuse others of “leftist tactics”. The Time cover simply conveys a simple truth, kids are expensive and if you want a certain lifestyle you are not likely to have it if you choose to have kids. Now you call me a control freak but in reality you are, for it is you who is upset with the reproductive choices of other whites and making absurd negative assumptions about these people simply because they chose not to have children. Go have 50 kids then and make up for some of them! LOL

          • ms_anthro

            I assure you that I’m not in any way encouraging you to breed. But Whites in general must continue to make White babies. The anti-White vitriol can be seen in the rabid, hysterical leftist hatred of the wholesome Christian lily-White Duggars, who support themselves and their enormous family without taking a penny from the government. Meanwhile, fourth generation welfare non-White brood sows get nothing but pitying clucked tongues or cries of, “You go, girl!” from the same commentariat sheep.

            You know all this, of course.

  • Spartan24708

    All I every wanted was to have kids and raise them. My mother always ridiculed me for that and caused me no end of grief. I always tested in the 160 or so range on IQ tests but was an indifferent student in high school due to boredom mostly. I hadn’t counted on fertility issues either. I am extremely blessed to have 2 great children- born when I was 35 and 39- and would like to have another. I got razzed by a friend of my mother in law who was a grotesquely obese career woman who snickered “breeder” at me after I warned her to keep her snappy dog away from my young children. Her retort was that my kids needed to be trained to leave dogs alone.

    • ThomasER916

      The anti-white, anti-Western, anti-Christian, Jewish Culture of Critique has made normal adulthood a deplorable, unnatural state while posturing queers are “perfectly normal.” If you’re hetero-sexual, as opposed to someone who is sexually retarded, you’re an “evil breeder who is destroying the planet through over population.”

  • MBlanc46

    The problem with noble lies is that they’re lies. When people twig that they’ve been lied to, they’re just as likely to reject the “Be good” part of the message as the “because Jesus says so” part of the message. I think that my parents had it right when they taught me that honesty is the best policy.

    • Extropico

      Well-said. “Plato is dear to me, but dearer still is truth.” Aristotle.

    • Romulus

      It is a lie only in the sense of a guy flying out of the sky on a magic chariot. Even as the good book is a collection of guidelines and parables intense to act as a stabilizing factor and add purpose other than materialism, it doesn’t disprove a source, singularity, higgs-boson, the, the force or GOD. The universe will have certain laws that will not change for existence to be possible, notwithstanding a happy accident. If nothing else, humans appreciate life as a gift to be treasured, for life is fleeting. I’ve been studying the pros and cons for decades and see noevidence to disprove the existence of a source.

      • MBlanc46

        But singularity and Higgs boson are just not what people mean by God, nor are the properties of singularities and Higgs bosons the properties traditionally attributed to God. Leda did not mate with a singularity. Moses did not encounter a Higgs boson in the burning bush. You’re certainly entitled to whatever religious beliefs you choose, but I find it rather dismissive of traditional belief to try to re-interpret it in that fashion.

  • Cannot Tell

    I remember reading a book review on AR where the author criticized high IQ childfree women as selfish. His rationale was that they benefited from living in a society built by high IQ people but they were unwilling to contribute to it for the next generation.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      You just described white people of today overall pretty much. Not all white people….but far too many.

      • Antipodean WN

        Funnily enough, the white women I see with non-white men, seem to have a tribe of children. Case in point is that case several years ago where some Asian male sired about 15 kids or something with a white woman – it was all over the news at the time.

        Far too many white women are simply trash nowadays who sleep with non-whites quicker than they would sleep with a white man.

        • Romulus

          Kate plus 8

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          Are you on here leaving serious comments, or are you trolling?

          • Antipodean WN

            The fact is if you have say a black man, and a white man exactly the same in educational attainment, wealth, etc, holding all variables the same, except for race, then the black man will have a decisive advantage on the marriage market. A black called Nathan McCall, a black guy, wrote some time ago that a black guy with a degree was like a guy in a candy shop when it came to women, black or white.

            And a dreg of society black guy, has more chance on the dating game than the equivalent white guy. The black guy has the ‘cool’ factor promoted by the MSM that the white guy does not have.

            Case in point. John Boehner’s daughter —she married a loser looking Jamaican. If that guy was white, he would not be able to get a white woman in a hundred lifetimes.

            Sorry about my previous comment about white woman which was a bit over the top, it was not meant to offend white women — and I also attack white men, such as Derbyshire, with Asian women, which is as disgusting as white women with black men. So you see, I’m consistent.

          • Chris Granzow XI

            Lol, you have to be kidding me. I can’t believe you truly even believe what you’re saying. You need to get out more, or get more white female friends…

  • willbest

    Are we here because our parents cared about the future or THEIR future? Without social safety nets your options were to have children or to horde cash. The later was dangerous up until relatively recently in human history.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Interesting, that you speak as if this is all on white women, and not our race as a whole.

  • Wethepeople

    This is a rehash of Y/k selection theory…

  • ThomasER916

    It’s easy to end the low IQ colors, end all aid and welfare; then pass laws allowing you to shoot and kill in defense of your property and your neighbors property. That let’s you take over when nature isn’t quite through with them.

  • ThomasER916

    Wrong.

  • Sick of it

    The stupid masses will murder the less aggressive, highly intelligent people then proceed to butcher one another. It has happened before.

  • Sick of it

    I have a friend with an infertility issue. They plan to adopt.

  • Antipodean WN

    I have a laugh when people claim high IQ’s on a blog, for either themselves of their children.

    That both your kids had 150 IQs, even if you and your husband did, is very very unlikely. Have you heard of the concept of ‘regression to the mean’?

    Now. Do you want to know a secret? OK. I’ll tell you. My IQ is 220!

    • Andy

      Regression to the mean has less of an effect than it used to, because people have been choosing mates of similar intelligence for generations now. That’s why there’s less class mobility than there used to be. Obviously I don’t know OnGuard, but I have met several families with similarly intelligent people. There are eight million odd American whites who do have an IQ of 150 or above.

      • Antipodean WN

        On regression towards the mean, google Steve Sailer’s take on it.

        And I bet you if we assumed internet message board claims as true, particularly of sites such as Amren, the >150 IQ population would probably hover on 100 million !

        Boasting of IQ is as vulgar as boasting of one’s bank balance.

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    There you go again, with one of those astute observations.

  • Viking_61

    The content of this study can be summarized in the below image:

  • Bardon Kaldian

    Pop science. There is no causal connection between intelligence & fertility (both male and female). Cameron Diaz & Eva Mendes are not some “high IQ women” (just celebrities, entertainers)- unlike, say, Barbara McClintock who won Nobel prize in the field of biomedical sciences (genetics). It’s a matter of personality, psychological typology- not just IQ, which is only one function.

    Satoshi Kanazawa has shown many times to be a clueless reductionist & frequently absurd in his “research”. I work with & know more than 10 female scientists (quantum chemistry, astronomy, laser optics, gravitation & cosmology, nonlinear systems, solid state physics,..) and 9 out of 10 have children (and are happy about it), while a woman now 32 years old has attacks of anxiety & frustration for not having found “right man”-yet- and getting pregnant.

    Women whom I know & who are childless by choice are not some vile selfish creatures, nor are they especially intelligent. They simply lack, to call it metaphorically, “maternal gene”. Some have also something masculine in their personalities (not looks). I guess most of them have a predominantly “male brain” (hence a rather high level of promiscuity among childless women I know).

    You have to take into account one big historical fact: great men, heterosexuals, have historically had zero, or max 1-2 children, even when they could have afforded it. No children: Leonardo, Newton, Beethoven, J.Clerk Maxwell, Thomas Young, Faraday, Voltaire, Diderot, Laplace, Lagrange, Henri Poincare, Van Gogh, Henry Adams, Lenin, Kafka, ..; 1-2 children: Aristotle, Shakespeare, W.R.Hamilton, Goethe, Hegel, Laplace, Dostoevsky, Cauchy, Einstein, Dirac, Ronald Fisher, Robert Koch, Faulkner, Hawthorne, Wagner, Hilbert, Feynman, …. Highly creative men who fathered many children: Kepler, Bach, Tolstoy, Euler, Gauss, Darwin, Dickens, Edison,…. are very rare.

    For instance, just Google frequently overlooked supreme genius of polymath Thomas Young. No children.

  • MekongDelta69

    If anybody saw that leftist rag Time Magazine’s latest cover (8/12/13 Issue), it shows a White couple (of course) with the title, “The Childfree Life – When Having It All Means Not Having Children” by Lauren Sandler (of course), you’ll see that they promote White people NOT having kids.

    They would NEVER do that with a non-White couple because they WANT the non-White population to replace the White population.

    {http://www[dot]time[dot]com/time/magazine}

    • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

      Maybe Time picked a white couple because most blacks would never even ponder such thoughts about their long term future or the lower standard of living that comes with having children. Time was really just telling us what we already know that kids are expensive and unless you make the big bucks, having them will lower your standard of living.

  • Sloppo

    There is a movie about this called “Idiocracy”.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Maybe this is because intelligent people value quality over quantity?

  • Allan477

    I have been tested on the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale, the standard adult intelligence test, as having an IQ of 140+, which was the highest the WAIS would measure at the time (c. 50 years ago). I don’t think I would have made a good husband and father; I am much to interested in the big picture to pay that much attention to the small.
    My biggest mistake in life was trying to become a Catholic priest; I guess my questions, which I did not consider at all threatening, were threatening to certain Franciscan priests.
    A couple of years ago I read an article in some sports magazine about the runner, Frank Shorter, who claims that his father, a medical doctor, was more interested in saving the world than in raising his family. Dr. Shorter was, in fact, our family doctor when I was a teenager and noted for treating anyone, whether you could pay for it or not. And, to me, Frank seemed to be more of a cry-baby than anything else. But, maybe Dr. Shorter wasn’t as attentive to his 10 children as he should have been.

    • David Ashton

      Healthy younger whites with little personal paternal instinct and high IQs could consider sperm donation.

  • Andy

    When we were settling this continent, the average family had 7 children surviving to adulthood. That sounds like a good number to me.

  • Romulus

    The chosen!

  • Ella

    Overall, not all Whites are cut out to be parents but this high rate of childlessness seems unnatural. This has to do with lacking cultural pressures to marry and start families earlier along with much materialism. The media also promotes negative attitudes toward Whites having children. Libs act like 2 children are just too many, or Whites have their 2 child policy. Whites would revolt if we had 3-4 children for avg. family size and then, forced to pay for minorities.

  • Jesse James

    I would rather live in a country with 230 million that was 90% white than one with 500 million that is predicted by most statisticians for the middle of this century where whites will be a persecuted minority. Foolishly we have created a racial spoils democracy where our own immigration policies have insured our loss of control over our future. Those of us who live in areas where a visit to the local mall is like a trip to another country already know what is going to happen to the quality of life and our economic and physical security in the near future across the entire nation. So keep being unconvinced you will see what the rest of us have been concerned about soon enough.

  • WR_the_realist

    Yes, obviously if having very IQ makes you likely to be chiildless evolution will limit how intelligent your species gets.

  • ms_anthro

    This was a beautiful post. I hope you republish it on a blog somewhere. Thank you!

  • Andy

    I don’t know how I mixed my numbers so badly – it should have been under 100,000 American whites. It’s about 0.04% of the white population. I just meant it’s not unbelievable that someone could test so high.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    You misrepresent atheism as so often the prejudiced theist does. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in god, nothing more. If anything is “Its all about the me” it is religion which is nothing but man’s worship of himself. Theist think they were created by a god, then claims to be made in god’s image (I’m just like god), then claim to survive death like some supernatural god, then believe all this god does all day is keep track of the individual behaviors of billions of humans, thus placing mankind right at the center of importance in the universe.
    You can not apply any beliefs or the absence of any beliefs to an atheist other than an absence of belief in god.