In U.S., Most Reject Considering Race in College Admissions

Jeffrey M. Jones, Gallup, July 24, 2013

Two-thirds of Americans believe college applicants should be admitted solely based on merit, even if that results in few minorities being admitted, while 28% believe an applicant’s racial and ethnic background should be taken into account to promote diversity on college campuses. Three-quarters of whites and 59% of Hispanics believe applicants should be judged only on merit, while blacks are divided in their views.

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The Supreme Court has heard cases that challenged affirmative action programs in college admissions in recent years. In 2003, it declared unconstitutional the University of Michigan’s undergraduate admissions process that automatically awarded minority applicants extra “points” in its admissions formula, but upheld the university’s law school admissions process that took race into account more generally when evaluating each individual applicant. This year, it vacated and remanded a lower-court ruling on a challenge to the University of Texas’ admissions program from a white applicant denied admission.

Gallup has asked about using race in college admissions decisions twice before, in 2003 just prior to the ruling in the University of Michigan case, and again in 2007. Americans’ opinions have been quite stable over the past 10 years.

Aside from blacks, a majority of all other major subgroups believe colleges should determine admissions solely on merit. {snip}

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Even though Americans largely reject the idea of using race as a factor in college admissions, they still support affirmative action programs more generally. A separate question in the poll finds 58% of Americans saying they favor “affirmative action programs for racial minorities,” including 51% of whites, 76% of blacks, and 69% of Hispanics.

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Americans may be less likely to support affirmative action in college admissions because the question raises a potential specific consequence of such programs–admitting some minority students who would otherwise not be admitted on their merits alone–which could in their minds outweigh the positive aspects of the policy mentioned in the question. The general question on affirmative action, asked prior to the question on college admissions, does not discuss any pros or cons of affirmative action, suggesting Americans mostly have a positive reaction to the concept or term.

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Americans support the government’s playing at least a minor role in trying to improve the social and economic position of blacks and other minority groups in the U.S., with 32% favoring a major government role and 44% a minor one. However, white Americans generally favor a minor government role, while most blacks and Hispanics prefer more significant government involvement.

The substantial racial differences have always been apparent in this question. But whites are now less likely to favor a major government role in assisting minorities than they were during the Bush administration. {snip}

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  • David Ashton

    A postracial approach would be color-blind and avoid grouping.

    • MBlanc46

      Color-blindness is the new bugaboo of the affirmative action crowd. It’s now considered a cover for white privilege. I work in scholarly publishing and my two most recent jobs have been attacks on color-blindness.

      • sbuffalonative

        As I repeatedly say, damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
        One day they demand a color blind society the next they want color to determine everything.
        They hit you left and right, coming and going.
        Ya can’t win or break even.

        • MBlanc46

          They keep moving the goal posts, all right.

          • Beetlejuice

            Yes, so it favors non-Whites and discriminates against blacks.

          • sbuffalonative

            They’re playing both sides of the fence. If A gets them what they want today, they will argue A. If B gets them what they want, they will argue B.
            ‘It’s racist if we notice race. It’s racist if we don’t take race into account’.
            As I always say, you can’t win. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Dealing with blacks is a lose-lose proposition.

      • David Ashton

        Too much “scholarly” publishing has been in the grip of neomarxism and deconstructionism (Routledge is one of the worst offenders in GB). It occasionally reaches self-parody standards even in contents of publications like the Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute or Anthropology Today, never mind specialist anti-“racist” periodicals like Patterns of Prejudice. An Augean stable.

        • MBlanc46

          It’s better now in general than it was fifteen years ago. Foucault is definitely out of fashion. But race realism is still a no-go area.

          • David Ashton

            It is on automatic pilot, but genetics will break through in due course, notwithstanding the current epigenetic sideshow.

          • MBlanc46

            I hope that you’re right and believe that you are. The data are becoming overwhelming. If nothing else, generational shift will enter the equation. Young academics make their reputations by overthrowing the views of their predecessors.

        • sbuffalonative

          This stuff always reminds me of The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy in which a philosopher who proved the non-existence of God went on to prove that black was white and ended up killed on a zebra crossing.

          They argue up is down and left is right. They ‘deconstruct’ history based on one historical anomaly to ‘prove’ that everything we know about history is wrong.

          They’re working overtime to ‘deconstruct’ American history and our Founding Fathers turning them into nothing but ‘slave owning racists’ and using this ‘new found knowledge’ to dismantle the state.

          ‘Since the Founders were racists, they built a racist nation. Ergo, the nation must be rebuilt from the ground up, even if that means reducing the nation to ashes first’.

      • Beloved Comrade

        Attacks on color-blindness or direct attacks on whites? THIS is what I see coming out of the publishing industry. I do not wish you to lose your job, but any anti-white enterprises should be shunned by the white race until they’re out of business.

        • MBlanc46

          Attacks on the color-blind ideology. As it’s become accepted by more and more people, including the courts, the integrationists in the academy are under pressure to attack it.

          • David Ashton

            Our scholarly readers may find a “concise” summary of this “racial neoliberalism” by David Theo Goldberg in Michael Payne & Jessica Barbera (eds) “A Dictionary of Cultural & Critical Theory” (Wiley-Blackwell 2013) pp.591-6.

            PS – “Foucault isn’t the fashionable name he once was, but it can safely be said his legacy is far from exhausted” (Ian Buchanan). The latest mutation of LGBT ideology has got him a new lease of “life” with “Queer Studies”. See especially Bruce Bawer, “The Victims’ Revolution” (NY 2012) pp.207-10. How many transphobes can dance on the pin of a pointy-head?

          • MBlanc46

            That’s the sort of literature I’m talking about, although I’m not familiar with those two works.

      • 48224

        Sounds like black and brown privilege to me.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      People are naturally wary and suspicious around others not like them; it’s a survival mechanism and a normal part of human nature.

      Only we whites are expected to be “tolerant” and “color-blind,” while non-whites are free to maintain and celebrate their cultures and languages, while ours is being torn asunder, mocked, derided and eliminated.

      There will never be a post-racial solution except separation of the races. I only want to be with my own people. Period.

      • David Ashton

        Personally I am in strong general agreement with you. My comment on post-racialism USA was to underline the Hocus-POTUS contradictions not to endorse them (see all my previous related posts).

        One Chinese take-away in a town is acceptable; another new Chinatown is not. “I have seen the future [in Detroit] and it [doesn’t] work.”

  • Puggg

    Winning political issue, right here, get it while it’s hot.

    Somebody?

    (Crickets)

  • [Guest]

    >>>Aside from blacks, a majority of all other major subgroups believe colleges should determine admissions solely on merit.

    Evidently, despite their toxic levels of self-esteem, blacks actually sense that they’re unable to compete.

    Now, if only everyone else would admit it.

    • So CAL Snowman

      I think you are giving them too much credit. Until their dying breath blacks will believe that the ONLY reason they did not achieve was due to White racism.

      • Luca

        They’re too stupid to realize how ignorant they are.

        • Non Humans

          They’re also too ignorant to realize how stoopid they are.

      • Funruffian

        We also have to take in account that many professors in Academia feel compelled to grade the work of Blacks more leniently. It’s easy for them and causes little hassle. If a professor can get away with it and keep their job she may very well bump up his grade to avoid repercussions. And let’s not forget all the athletes that won Athletic scholarships. Many college professors are either paid off or coerced into fixing a Running back’s or basketball player’s grade.

        • Frans

          That is all too true. It’s this affirmative action that has made college degrees less well respected. There was a time that getting a degree required rigorous study and a lot of work! Now courses are dumbed-down as they say, grades are given instead of earned, and a degree is not worth the paper on which it’s printed in too many cases. Affirmative action and political correctness destroy society. This is just one example of it.

          • Funruffian

            Back in 1979-80 USC tailback, Charles White (Heisman trophy winner) was interviewed on live TV after a game. When asked about his studies and curricula he stumbled. Unsure of how to answer he said he only went to class when he wanted to. He was functionally illiterate and spoke very poor English.

          • David Ashton

            The architects of this evil are not so much the “blacks” themselves but the “white” liberals and marxists who believe or pretend to believe in racial equality, and flatter the blacks with the illusion that white “racism” or “privilege” is the sole cause of their failures. Since this is not the case, the revolutionaries have a continual source of useful support. Hence the white Trotskyites on the streets with the Trayvon protesters.

          • Frans

            Well said, David Ashton! I agree!

      • China_Rising

        A list of the automatic, pre-determined response of liberals/Bantus when bringing up Black achievement.

        Black lower IQ – White revisionism

        Black academic performance – discrimination

        Black crime rates – profiling

        Black nations – slavery/colonialism

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Why are you using that handle on a white-issues site? Are you Asian? What is your purpose here?

          • China_Rising

            Matthew, buddy, I’m not going to explain myself to you for the 4th time.

            I happen to enjoy American Renaissance and Jared Taylor.

            Take your irrational paranoia and your functional illiteracy somewhere else.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Funny coming from someone who wrote that he forgot to “dress” something, LOL. It’s ADDRESS.

            You’re real funny. You need better programming and some better lines.

            You are writing a lot of nonsense on this thread and using a lot of words to do so.

          • Beetlejuice

            Didn’t you say you were going to dress an issue above?

            Pot. Kettle. Black.

          • China_Rising

            There’s a difference between a simple typo and a repeated misunderstanding of a simple statement, replicated six different times.

          • Beetlejuice

            Dude, I have not seen ONE post where you actually debate the topic. NOT ONE. 
             
            What do you think the thousands of readers who come here and read your post think about you, if all you can come up with is personal attacks, harassment and total lack of respect? Do you even care about that?  
             
            Now, if you want to have a REAL debate and look at the FACTS, I’m all ready to debate with you, but you have to stop with this SILLY, childish behavior, China Rising. 
             

          • China_Rising

            To what debate are you referring to?

            I largely agree with the views of American Renaissance.

          • Beloved Comrade

            You idea of debate is insult and ad hominem rhetoric which you pass off as “debate.” Really dog, you need some new material, I’ve seen all your lame lines before. Go back to your anti-white handlers and ask for a new chip implant.

            Seems you are paranoid as well as being Anti-White. What brand of Tinfoil is your hat made out of ?

          • Andy

            Quinn is not functionally illiterate. Someone who is functionally illiterate reads at a fourth grade level or below. Judging by his writing, Quinn is well above average in intelligence.

            However, while I personally hope China is not rising, I hope to see you again on here. 🙂

          • David Ashton

            Esquimaux, China…never mind the icons, examine the texts. I am not innocent myself, but it is better to keep the debate on ideas and facts, not mere personal abuse.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Just for grins, I am going to throw out some random thoughts on Asians in the US.

            1) One of the largest reasons that the US economy is in the sh*tter, is the mountain of debt we have built, mostly in an attempt to hide the fact that free trade laws have allowed the multinationals to switch their production to low cost countries. Had this never happened, I doubt that China would be “rising.” The US consumer used to be the crown jewel in the world’s economy, but that is no longer true. To claim that Asians are more industrious factory workers or smarter technologists than whites is a slap in the face of all whites, and something I very much resent. I hear this nonsense all the time (especially) from CEOs who fret that we need to staple a green card on every engineering degree. I am fortunate enough to speak several languages, and so was able to relocate to Europe, where I am doing relatively well as a computer specialist. There are almost no Indians here, and that is how I (and most Germans) prefer it. One other big advantage the Asians have, is that they are not required to support a large parasitic black and brown population.

            2) Western women are their own worst enemies when it comes to marriage and family. It is little wonder that many white men prefer a feminine, supportive, caring Asian woman to many of the harpies I have encountered in the US and Western Europe. That said, I would never consider marrying outside my race, which is only 8% of the world population, anyway. My gorgeous, blond, Eastern European wife is feminine (to a fault), fiercely protective of our family, extremely affectionate, and VERY race-conscious. Our children look like us, blond-haired and blue-eyed. Were I an Asian man, I think I would feel about as good about Asian women marrying white men and I feel about white women mating with the bantus.

            3) OK, so far, no real criticisms of Chinese, right? Well, here goes: a) I’ve read about the terrible treatment of animals in the Chinese markets, and find it heinous. b) It also appears that cheating in school is part of the culture, c) they are smart and clever people, but (again, from what I read) not particularly creative, though do well at copying. This has the side effect of many cases of industrial espionage.

            Am I saying that whites are immune from things like cheating, and abuse of animals, or intellectual theft? Of course not. But I question why we need to import more people with a reputation for that sort of thing. Just like I don’t see why we need more drunk drivers and pedophiles imported from Mexico.

            You seem a reasonable person, CR. I hope you don’t take my comments personally (and I don’t mean them to be), but will understand why, for many folks here who believe we need a white homeland, any non-white immigration is not a good thing.

          • China_Rising

            Makes sense, and no I don’t take anything you said personally.

            Your comment seems to be very well-reasoned and objective.

            And for the last time, I support your policies on immigration!!

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Yeah, I understood that. Just trying to explain why some folks would get emotional on the subject. Lord knows, I do.

          • China_Rising

            Understood.

            I suspect that China would have risen anyway, as IQ is largely the best indicator of economic and social development. Singapore, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, indeed all East Asians, are of the same average IQ, and have developed commensurately with their level of intelligence.

            China has only been held back because of Communism, in the same way that Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, etc. have.

            I see no reason as to why China would not have eventually followed in the footsteps of South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore. It is indeed the only East Asian nation that is not a fully developed, high-income society (with the exception of North Korea, though we all know the reason behind that).

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Yes, I was also aware of that. You raise an interesting issue in my mind, about Communism and why Russia is not doing any better than she is. She has been looted and demoralized, and I suspect it will be many years before she becomes again a great power.

          • Antipodean WN

            China rising —-are you Chinese? What the hell are you doing on a white nationalist message board?

          • China_Rising

            Speaking to like-minded people.

            In fact, I suspect that I have a lot more in common with the people at Amren than you ever will.

            I recall you saying that Greeks are not White earlier. You are on a fast track to getting shunned by the White nationalist community.

          • Antipodean WN

            I have a lot more in common with the people at Amren than you ever will

            No. You never will. Because you are not white. Even the most liberal white can still be converted to a white nationalist.

            But a yellow can never be a white.

            But obviously you are a wannabe –next life perhaps? – but only if you are good in this one.

            As for Greeks –I simply presented the genetic evidence from Lynn, Cavalli Sforza etc which shows they are closely related to the Turks, much more so than they are to North Western Europeans. One is either a race realist or one is not.

          • China_Rising

            Nor would I ever want to be White.

            I was referring to our common values.

            While you seek to denigrate the birthplace of Western civilization (the hallmark of a backstabbing Jew maybe?), I respect the White Nationalists’ right to call them White.

            After all, are they not genetically White when compared on PCA plots? Do they not cluster with other Europeans compared to Southwest Asians?

          • Antipodean WN

            The original Greeks are as different from the current ‘Greeks’, as the original founding fathers of the US will be racially different from the average US racial stock of several decades hence, if the rate of non-white immigration continues at its current levels.

            Modern ‘Greek’ average IQ is 92 (around the same as Hispanics in the US). Anyone with a shred of understanding of normal distribution theory will know that to get a Pythagoras or Socrates or Archimedes from such poor stock would have been well nigh impossible.

            contemporary Turks and Greeks are genetically quite similar. This has been shown by Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi, and Piazza (1994) in their genetic linkage tree, in which Greeks are shown to be more closely related to Iranians and other southwest Asian peoples than to Italians, Danes, and English”

          • China_Rising

            “Modern ‘Greek’ average IQ is 92”

            The latest studies by Lynn say 93, but OK. Hispanic IQ is 89, which is a statistically significant 4 point difference.

            Being of lower average IQ does not meaningfully explain racial differences. Firstly, Greeks are clustered with other Europeans in PCA plots, as they are when measuring Fixation distances.

            Are you telling me that Italians are not White? They have a mean IQ of 96, which is a statistically significant 4 IQ point difference compared to the United Kingdom (for example). Or the Ukrainians, a mean IQ of 94. How about the Albanians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbians, etc. all falling in the low-90’s?

            Portugal’s mean IQ is 94. Not White. Spain falls at 97. Is that good enough? Malta has a mean IQ of 95, Cyprus and Moldova a mean of 92, and Ireland has a mean IQ of 95. The Irish are obviously not White then.

            Basically, most Whites are actually not Whites….

          • Antipodean WN

            I’m just providing the information from scientists such as Richard Lynn and Cavalli Sforza. I’m not a geneticist – go argue with them.

            And from personal experience here in Australia, I find Greeks to be non-white in temperament, intelligence, and emotionalism.

            Greeks, together with Lebs, are wogs, and that is the way they will remain in my mind.

            Australia should have remained an Anglo-Saxon-Celtic country, and by opening up immigration to wogs, the stage was set for the later complete abandonment of the great White Australia policy, and now we have gazillions of Asiatics like yourself infesting our continent.

          • China_Rising

            Those gaziliions of “Asiatics” (which is not even a race) are net contributors to Australia. You can’t put them on the same level as anyone, regardless as to whether you wan’t them in your country or not.

            How many White countries are not White then? In your view, Eastern and Southern Europeans are not White because of their lower average IQ’s. So basically it’s only the Germanic countries (and France) that you consider to be White….

          • Antipodean WN

            For heaven’s sake you are dense.

            I did not say Greeks were non-white solely on account of their low IQ. I pointed out the research of Richard Lynn and Cavalli-Sforza which shows they genetic cousins of Turks.

            Of course low IQ in itself does not make a population or individual non-white. But low IQ correlates with darker races.

            Get it you dimwit? The fact is Greeks are very closely related to Turks. Therefore their low IQ is not surprising. It does not necessarily work the other way round.

            I thought East Asians were supposed to be smart —-appears not.

          • China_Rising

            You’re the dimwit my friend. I have already repeated, multiple times now, that principal component analysis plots cluster Greeks (and other Balkan populations), with that of other Europeans. Indeed Fixation distances across the autosomes have shown that the genetic distance between Greeks and Italians is negligible.

            Why don’t you just look it up before further embarrassing yourself on the subject? You are bringing up horribly outdated research, which is over a decade old (a testament to your lack of knowledge on the subject).

            Cavalli-Sforza’s studies have been outdated by a full decade of new genetic sequencing and cluster analysis techniques.

            Judging by the way you speak, and your poor impulse control, the stereotype of Australians largely being descended from criminals and convicts may actually hold true.

          • Beloved Comrade

            More insults and ad hominem sputtering from “China Rising.”
            Nothing to see here.

          • Antipodean WN

            Agreed. See how these non-whites cannot leave us alone —even on a site dedicated to white interests.

        • Joseph

          “Black lower IQ – White revisionism”

          Correction: The usual responses are that intelligence cannot be measured by a “single number” or that IQ tests are “culturally biased.”

          It is another version of “killing the messenger” where the messenger is the test.

          • China_Rising

            You’re right. I don’t know why I brought up revisionism.

            “The usual responses are that intelligence cannot be measured by a “single number” or that IQ tests are “culturally biased.”

            Well, first they deny that Black IQ is lower. When shown the evidence, they state that IQ tests are worthless anyway.

            When, again, the evidence is shown that there is a consensus in the scientific community that IQ does in fact explain a large proportion of what we humans consider to be intelligence, they consider cultural biases.

            When cultural biases are disproved through the use of “culture-fair” tests, and the example that East Asians score higher than Whites even though they are far more culturally divergent compared to Black Americans, they use the “stereotype threat”.

            When the stereotype threat is disproved by acknowledging that very few scientists today (even on the environmentalist side of the argument) believe this anymore, it finally comes to the achievement gap!

            This is where we are stuck currently. Libturds believe that IQ will rise only when the achievement gap is closed; what they don’t understand is that there is an achievement gap in the first place BECAUSE of the lower IQ’s of Blacks. Again, this argument is very easily refuted by comparing the SAT test results of Black children who’s parents are in the highest Socioeconomic status ($80k-$100k), with White children who’s parents are in the lowest SES (under $10k).

            White children score higher. How is that possible? Well, they will tell you that Black culture even inundates and penetrates the few upper-class Black communities, making the children of the most prosperous Black families score lower than even the very poorest and dumbest of White students.

            You can never win with these people. They have pre-determined conclusions for literally every argument that one can come up with.

      • [Guest]

        That, being an even less flattering assessment of black mentality, is probably more accurate than mine. I stand corrected.

      • Frans

        I totally agree!

      • Beloved Comrade

        Blacks will say that to their dying day while backed up a media and government that tells them this. Blacks are told whites are the ones who are violent and stupid and that they (blacks) are the enlightened ones.
        The goal is not a pro-black narrative, but for one that is anti-white. The war being waged is against whites, not blacks, they are nothing more than expendable, useful idiots.
        When the time comes, and we whites are nothing more than a persecuted minority like the kulaks of the Soviet Union, blacks will be disposed of, it won’t be a matter of “if” but when.
        Blacks play no part in the NWO except as a battering ram to terrorize, murder and antagonize the white race. Other than that, they serve NO useful purpose for their masters, they are lazy, have low IQ’s and are prone to violence.
        No one is going to let them be the parasites they are after we’re gone.

    • China_Rising

      No, Blacks do genuinely think that they are the most impressive and intellectually exceptional race.

      Regardless, they simultaneously believe that they have earned the right to be admitted to schools solely on the basis of their race, rather than their (perceived) academic achievement. Y’know, swavery and wayycism.

      • [Guest]

        Yeah, I was uncharacteristically generous in my assessment of blacks’ thinking processes. I did have the “toxic levels of self-esteem” part right, though. (Tip of the hat to Nicholas Stix.)

      • Patty Mudd

        The funny thing is, that they believe in their worthiness is further proof of their lack thereof.

  • willbest

    But thanks to Affirmative Action, Asian enrollment in the Ivy League is capped to 16% instead of the 40%+ it achieves at UC Berkley and other institutions with racially blind admission processes

    • China_Rising

      It is due to that heinous Asian privilege. Check your Asian privilege at the door please!

      What’s that you say? Asians were discriminated against, like Blacks, up until the 1960’s? How could that possibly be true? Look at their educational performance and their IQ’s!

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Yeah, funny thing about that IQ, isn’t it?

        Charles Murray writes in Human Accomplishment:

        In the sciences, 97 percent of the significant figures and events turned out to be Western. Is this merely Eurocentric bias? Of the 36 science reference books he drew upon, 28 were published after 1980, by which time historians were desperately searching for non-Westerners to praise. Only in this decade has the most advanced non-Western country, Japan, begun to win science Nobels regularly.

        Murray reserved eight of his 21 categories for Asians(including Arabic literature, Indian philosophy, and Chinese visual art) for non-Western arts.Murray meticulously dealt with each issue using his mastery of statistics.Murray, who was a Peace Corp volunteer in Thailand and has half-Asian children, began this project wanting to devote even more attention to Asian accomplishments but found he couldn’t justify his predisposition.

        The fact that this world is still completely dominated by Western Civilization and White technology proves that IQ isn’t obviously everything. Especially when you’re using the White English language, electric power, computer, Internet to communicate to us here, NOT the ashkenazi or chinese ones.

        IQ tests don’t measure ingenuity, imagination, talent, vision, dexterity, resilience, self-control, honesty, etc. which are all genetic traits and qualities that Whites overwhelming possess over jews, asians and blacks.

        Bon

        • China_Rising

          I can see you don’t even understand the lack of relevancy of the comment you just made. I was being sarcastic, acknowledging that Blacks using discrimination and segregation as excuses for their lack of achievement don’t hold up to the facts, especially when comparing Asian Americans ability to converge with (and eventually surpass) White Americans in per capita income, household debt, household income, educational attainment, etc.

          Anyway,

          The crux of your argument:

          “IQ tests don’t measure ingenuity, imagination, talent, vision, dexterity, resilience, self-control, honesty, etc. which are all genetic traits and qualities that Whites overwhelming possess over jews, asians and blacks.”

          Self-control? Honesty? I’m not sure that Whites possess these traits at higher rates (and indeed genetically for that matter) compared to East Asians. All one must do is look at the robbery rates in Japan, for instance, or the homicide rates in Singapore or South Korea. Compared to the White rates in the USA, or the average rates in Germany, France, the UK, Poland, Latvia, et. al., they are exceptionally minuscule. Indeed, there could be genetic differences that lead to higher crime rates and levels of corruption amongst White nations, when compared to East Asian one’s.

          Regarding ingenuity, imagination, etc., the differences could just as easily be cultural as they are genetic. East Asian nations like Japan, for instance, are quite innovative now compared to other European nations. They hold more patents granted than the United States, despite having only 40% of the population. Indeed, both Charles Murray (whom you quoted) and Phillip Rushton posit that East Asians tend to have been ahead for most of Human history, and had only been surpassed as late as the 17th century. Today, it’s quite possible they are returning to their prominent positions that they held for so many centuries (China in particular).

          Lastly, I must ask, what was the purpose of the bar chart? What is the relevancy of it? Asian Americans are only some 16% of Ivy League students, yet are 34% of Phi Beta Kappa students? Well, thanks for proving my point for me. It would be also good to note that this is WITH the stringent quotas assigned to Asian students, even compared to Whites.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Asians belong in Asians countries.

            Nice try. To non-Whites and White-haters here: If you can’t stand living in the successful, first-world nations that Whites conceived of and built, then you’re welcome to leave.

            As a European, I take great pride in what we’ve accomplished over the past 2,000 years. Everything you White-haters have, you have because of us. Democracy? That was our invention. Theory of evolution? That was ours too. Computers? Yup, us. Internet? Medicine ? Cars? Use of X-rays? Space flight? Radio? Television? The environmental movement? Classical music? Satellite communication? They only exist because of us.

            Maybe you white-haters, etc. should thank us for all that we’ve given you instead of attacking us like the spoiled children that you are. Without Europeans the world would be a cruel and barbarous place. We’ve given you everything, and you give us nothing in return but your impudence and resentment.

            Do us a favor and just shut up.

          • China_Rising

            “Asians belong in Asians countries.”

            The lower end of the bell curve is out in force today.

            What part of, “I don’t believe in mass immigration” is difficult to understand?

            This is the 3rd time I am repeating this to you Eskimo, and it’s going to be the last.

          • Beetlejuice

            “The lower end of the bell curve is out in force today.”

            They sure are so why don’t you get lost.

          • China_Rising

            How about no.

          • Beloved Comrade

            “The lower end of the bell curve is out in force today.”

            You’re saying that because you don’t like what Quinn is saying and are trying to shut him up with your “cute and pithy” insults.

            Do you ever foresee a time when you won’t make it your life’s work to focus so much on whites?

          • Beloved Comrade

            Now you are being disingenuous.
            Your comment wasn’t sarcastic; it was a knock against white people, I know it, you know it and everyone here knows it.
            You have proved yourself to be an anti-white with your SILLY insults about white intelligence and “lower 1/2 of the bell curve,” even though you are using brilliant technology created by whites, not asians, to insult us. You are also using our language, not an asian language.

            You should be more concerned with massive Asians cheating and Asian fake parts and put an end to that instead of insulting the white race.

            I too wish you’d get lost.

          • China_Rising

            Yes, we are speaking the English language, a language you have had a hard time deciphering.

            The lower 1/2 of the Bell Curve happens to be yourself and Eskimo, who are attacking me in spite of my support of White nations staying White.

            You are a sad, sad man.

        • China_Rising

          In my remarks, I forgot to dress this:

          “IQ tests don’t”

          What we call “IQ testing” is the reflection of the astonishing finding that all cognitive abilities which are valuable in the context of a modern, industrialized society are positively correlated.

          Seemingly unrelated skills such a backward-digit span, pitch recognition, and the ability to understand a passage of written prose all tend to rise or fall together — and these correlations are not trivial, but the highest ever documented in the social sciences. Statistically speaking, Sandra who scores high on physics is also likely to write better essays than Mindy who scores low.

          Occasional exceptions to this rule do not disprove this overall trend. A narrow, one-dimensional measure of a “linear” sort of intelligence, IQ surely is not.

          • Andy

            I agree with you that IQ tests are quite significant. However, I do see Bon/Murray’s point about actual accomplishment. Whether it’s drive, or creativity, or something else, whites do seem to have accomplished more than East Asians at this point.

          • China_Rising

            This is a good point.

            I guess the question is, does the lower creativity of East Asians stem from an environmental or genetic influence?

            I suspect environmental, only because Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese, and Singaporeans have become fairly innovative in the world today, and a lot of the R&D is performed, not only by multinationals, but by indigenous corporations as well.

            Very good point though. Whites have pretty much invented everything of modern convenience; East Asians, very little.

        • Romulus

          Thanks for that Bon! The tribe is overwhelmingly represented in particular fields, such as law and business,courts and entertainment and the social (justice) sciences. Your graph runs contrary to Englemans claims of superiority of the Ashkenazim

        • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

          Thomas Macauley, British historian, on Asian (in this case Indian) literature:

          “I have no knowledge of either Sanscrit or Arabic. But I have done what I could to form a correct estimate of their value. I have read translations of the most celebrated Arabic and Sanscrit works. I have conversed both here and at home with men distinguished by their proficiency in the Eastern tongues. I am quite ready to take the Oriental learning at the valuation of the Orientalists themselves. I have never found one among them who could deny that a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia. The intrinsic superiority of the Western literature is, indeed, fully admitted . . .”

          • saxonsun

            Reminds me of the line from Alfred, Lord Tennyson’s poem, “Locksley Hall:” “Better fifty years of Europe than a cycle of Cathay.” A cycle is 1,000 yrs.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Whites have been discriminated against as well:

      According to Ron Unz:

      Unz’s analysis implied that, compared to Jews, non-Jewish Whites are represented at Harvard at 1/15th of the level they would be in a meritocratic system.

      And, at least Asians have political advocacy groups and lefty publications to promote for their race. Whites have nothing:

      Ron Unz writes:

      S. B. Woo, founding president of 80-20, a national Asian-American advocacy organization that strongly supported President Obama’s reelection, participated in the New York Times forum, entitling his contribution “Discrimination Is Obvious.” He argued that ‘the credibility of elite colleges suffers’ when they deny the clear evidence that they “set a quota for Asian students,” and he claimed that ‘America’s core value of equal opportunity is being trampled.’ Liberal and left-wing pundits from publications such as The Atlantic and The Washington Monthly have similarly ridiculed Harvard’s blatant dishonesty in the matter.

      Bon

      • MerlinV

        All being told, Asians also belong in their own countries right along with other non-whites. They too have latched onto the gravy train built by whites. Millions more would immigrate into white lands if they could. Alas, the darkest races are given priority.

        • China_Rising

          Depends on the Asian. South Asians would continue to immigrate in droves. The mean IQ there is 82. So would Southeast Asians (mean IQ of 87).

          East Asians, on the other hand, would not. Japan actually has a net increase from the United States, rather than a net decrease. Korean immigrants are now the smallest minority in terms of percentage increase.

          This probably has to do with the fact that Korea is a prosperous and fully developed country, as is Japan. Same with Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, and indeed other East Asian societies. The only East Asian nation you would actually expect more immigration from is China, which is still quite poor (due to the destruction wrought by Communism). I suspect, though, as China converges in development to her other East Asian cousins, you would have to expect East Asian immigration, entirely, to dry up.

      • Andy

        I was shocked to learn this a few months ago when I went through the data on the Hillel site. Jews, despite being smarter on average than whites or Asians, receive affirmative action like blacks, Hispanics, and American Indians. If only merit was used in admissions, you would need an SAT score of 1410 or an IQ of 138 to get into an Ivy League school. Instead, you need an IQ of 145 if you’re white, 139 if you’re Asian, 134 if you’re Jewish, 129 if you’re Amerind, 128 if you’re Hispanic, and 127 if you’re black. Based on merit, whites should make up three quarters of Ivy League students; instead they make up one quarter.

        http[colon]//westernwindows[dot]blogspot[dot]com/2013/04/whats-it-take-to-get-into-ivy-league[dot]html

        • China_Rising

          Asians are capped at 16% of the Ivy League admissions.

          Whites are also capped, though certainly not as much.

          The people that benefit the most from this are Blacks, Hispanics, and surprisingly, Jews.

          Jewish academic performance and educational attainment has collapsed.

        • Sick of it

          With us, IQ is not the problem as often as funding. I couldn’t get the funds to attend MIT after I was accepted.

  • YourMOMA

    Blacks know the truth, but remain mentally challenged and don’t want to accept the facts. As long as Whites and Asians dominate SAT scores, Blacks are going to suffer if affirmative action is gone.

    • China_Rising

      Blacks are ‘suffering’ in spite of affirmative action.

    • Frans

      I don’t think they do know the truth. Even the intelligent, successful, well-known ones such as Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell never admit to black race I.Q. deficits.

      • China_Rising

        Good point. I would certainly love to see their response to such a question.

        • YourMOMA

          They have a response to everything: You racist. That’s the only way they justify questioning blacks in regard to poor education, crime, fatherless families, lacks of discipline in their communities, etc.

          However, blacks do know the truth, but choose not to discuss it with others. There’s a simple explanation for a black woman with 3 children from different daddies collecting welfare and child support; she is making $6K a month and doesn’t have to do anything. Black burglaries and robberies can be justified by blacks as a form of finding ways to feed the family.

          • David Ashton

            “From each according to his inablity, to each according to his greed.”

      • David Ashton

        I think we should leave WW and TS alone on this one. Most of their output helps, and the rest of us can make up this deficit in due course.

        Meanwhile, whatever the validity of comparisons between the east Asians and the west Europeans, I think we should strive to keep our “white” civilization in our own hands in our own areas and resist oriental supremacy on the wider world stage.

        • Frans

          I didn’t mean to cast aspersions on WW & TS. I agree with you that they do good work, and I like reading their “output” as you called it. They’re honest about black ‘culture’. But they do deny the I. Q. issue….or leave it out of the discourse.

  • Did McCain or Romney even bother to bring up this issue while they were running for President? NO? Well, if the next GOP candidate ignores this issue, I will be voting for the Democratic Party.
    It’s time to get rid of republicans too afraid to talk about Affirmative Action.

    • John R

      Comforting thought. But, as for me, I might find myself forced to choose between a party that doesn’t care at all about me, and a party that actually hates me. Some choice, huh?

      • Sick of it

        Primary the scum. It’s the best we can do for now.

  • MekongDelta69

    IQIQIQIQIQ

    I know I’ll never be an astro-physicist, but I’d study my butt off and give it a shot. I could NEVER look myself in the mirror if I was admitted on an “affirmative action” program designed to give people who know they can’t be astro-physicists for the sake of some kind of warped DIE-versity.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      You have to look at this from another angle: Race-based admissions policies are a way to legally discriminate against Whites and prevent them from attending universities for which they are qualified.

      Bon

    • Heart of the Monster

      Almost two years ago I was admitted to one of the Ancient 8. I concede I was an “affirmative action” admit. Not for race, but because of my military service. In the beginning I felt as you say, almost ashamed, because I felt undeserving. This is an affliction that only men such as us suffer. After my first year on campus I no longer apologized for my admission. I worked hard to prove I belonged, and my grades surpassed many, if not most, of my classmates assuring everyone that cared to listen of their superior intelligence.
      The difference is that we (all vets on this particular campus are white-males) understand the opportunity afforded to us, and the true AA cases feel they are owed more and more and more. If I get a grade that does not meet expectations, I try harder. This is not the case for most minorities on campus. The Professors here must feel incredibly responsible for slavery, apartheid, Jim Crow, etc…..because they go to great lengths to extend each paper deadline, give retests, etc. A real joke. Plus, don’t even get me started on the overabundance of America hating foreigners that attend.

      • sbuffalonative

        They show up on the first day of class to get the syllabus and are not seen until the last day when they form a line at the teachers desk to explain why they shouldn’t fail the course. Seen in many times.

        • All “skolaship” affletes where I attended were required to get every instructor to sign off that they attended class on a sheet they had to carry around …… Doze be kollege students.

      • Andy

        Thank you for your service.
        And I’m glad to know that there’s someone sane on one of the Ivy League campuses.

  • dd121

    I read that blacks are spotted something over 200 points on the SAT. Fine. Problem is when they’re put in a situation they can’t handle they wind up flunking out in droves.
    PS I wonder why Obama’s college grades are sealed? Hmmm?

    • Frans

      Obama’s been handed everything all his life. He hasn’t earned a thing. Affirmative action all the way.

      • Beetlejuice

        Same for Holder, “wise Latina” Sotomayor, and every other black Obama has appointed to a high-paid government position.

  • Luca

    I’ve had enough of all the low IQ, lazy, undeserving, inefficient, ineffective, discriminatory, irresponsible, incompetent, highly paid, so-called professionals, who are hell-bent on racial cronyism and milking the cow rather than doing a good job.

    • John R

      Okay. People on this website will probably get mad at me for saying this. Maybe it is a little bit of genetic “bleeding heart” in my White blood, but here goes: I could almost ACCEPT blacks getting into college just on their race, if they showed at least some APPRECIATION for it! But, for crying out loud! We give them preferences in employment, education, and government assistance, and they still have the GALL to argue that we are a RACIST SOCIETY and OWE THEM! Geeze! Is there no limit to their ingratitude?

      • Luca

        I’m not mad, you’re just wrong. They should earn it like everyone else.

        Why hot have black race car drivers and spot them 6 laps? Is that fair too?

        • sbuffalonative

          Which reminds me.

          A couple years back, NASCAR started a minority outreach program.
          At the time I said it wouldn’t work because this was a true ‘rubber meets the road’ issue. Either you can race with the big boys or you can’t. How could you bring AA to racing?

          I have yet to hear of any blacks to make it to the top if any even qualify. If there was one I’m sure we’d be reading about him on the front page and not just the sports section.

          I’m also waiting for Stephen Hawking to find that African Einstein.

          • Non Humans

            Demontatravious Johnson in the EBT 83 Hooptie drafting off of every white driver on the track, but still in dead last position…

          • Luca

            They allowed one to race at Indy three years back. when he got onto the track he stole the damn car.

      • Frans

        Blacks deserve NOTHING they don’t earn. Nothing.

      • China_Rising

        European altruism has given you democracy, freedom, and individual rights.

        It has also given you mass immigration.

        Tread lightly.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Are you a non-white, white-hating white or anti-white?

          European altruism did not give us mass immigration. This is something that was FORCED on American Whites without a vote being taken, it was done to us specifically to wipe out the white race.

          The 1965 Immigration Act was written by two Jews, Javits and Celler and then pushed by the American Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, and the American Federation of Jews from Eastern Europe.

          Maybe you can answer this question: Why is it White and ONLY White countries that are being flooded with the scum of the 3rd world?

          Try to imagine how much brainwashing it would take to convince all the Asians living in Asia, that they need to go ahead and replace themselves (in Asia) with North African Muslims????

          • China_Rising

            I’m sorry… WHAT?

            Read my previous comments and you’ll get a better understanding of who I am.

            Also, I would have thought that, judging by the way my comment was structured, it would have been pretty easy to see that I don’t consider mass immigration to be a good thing.

            You are talking to the wrong person Eskimo.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Let me “dress” that, LOL, LOL!!

            Are all of your personalities Anti-white, or only the one I’m talking with now ? You’re the one using “China Rising” on a white-issues site.

            You can go ahead and have the last word. I won’t read or reply to your responses.

            And you call ME a functional illiterate?

          • China_Rising

            My last word.

            I’m in favor of restricting mass immigration to White lands, as I don’t see it as any of my business Matthew.

            I have stated this for the 5th time now, yet your inability to comprehend my repeated statements suggesting this has lead you to continuously assert that I’m anti-White.

            Being functionally illiterate has absolutely nothing to do with making a few typos, and everything to do with the inability to understand a simple sentence (which has been repeated for the 6th time now):

            I am not in favor of non-White immigration to White countries.

          • Beloved Comrade

            Are you that White hating Asians character that goes by the name “John Liu” or “Wayne Lo”?
            You’re not fooling us Wayne/John, you’ve already proven yourself to be an anti-White, militant idiot.

          • China_Rising

            I can’t understand how people can be this amazingly stupid. Not even Blacks are this irrational.

          • Beetlejuice

            Not lacking in ego are you?

          • China_Rising

            Not at all.

          • I thought that was your last word. When someone says they aren’t talking anymore, the least they can do is shut the heck up.

          • China_Rising

            My last word in response to Eskimo. I will continue posting here for some time.

          • China_Rising

            “Maybe you can answer this question: Why is it White and ONLY White countries that are being flooded with the scum of the 3rd world?”

            I believe it is perhaps because,

            1. Whites have largely become liberal pansies who care not for the genetic endowment of their society

            and

            2. White countries are prosperous, which in fact is only replicated by East Asian and (oil-exporting) Arab countries (although the latter two care not for mass immigration).

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Let me “dress” your post, LOL:

            #1: Why do you give a damn about that?

            You’ve exposed your true colors. You are here to gloat about the demise of the white race, China Rising.

          • China_Rising

            “Why do you give a damn about that?”

            You’re right; judging by the intellectual ineptitude of yourself and many other uncouth and unrefined individuals I have had the displeasure of experiencing in the last few hours, it largely seems that I shouldn’t care.

            I guess I’m just hoping that the other side of the Bell Curve shows itself before I become completely repelled by the thought of Whites like yourself continuing to propagate such feeble-mindedness with your breeding.

          • Beloved Comrade

            This is a SILLY, CHILDISH response, written by a nut who has lost an argument.

            In your OPINION there are “uncouth” and “unrefined” individuals here. You don’t like and don’t care? Then leave!

            I look forward to the day when brainwashed Anti-Whites like you are exposed as the sick idiots you truly are.

          • Luca

            3. Because Whites have allowed a certain tribal element into society in disproportionate numbers and when given too much access to power and wealth they don’t care what they destroy as long as it promotes their agenda

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          Suicidal altruism.

          Also, there seems to be a large group of very high-IQ individuals who seem to feel that they and their co-religionists would be safer in a non-white majority country, so they have used their wealth, power, and intelligence to accomplish that goal. Sadly, there are only a very few among them who see things as we do.

        • Sick of it

          Northern European values, such as the above, predate modern altruism. The various Nordic kingdoms waged savage war against other nations, but expected to be treated as free men at home. They did not do it for the sake of outlaws (those not under their law).

          We did not lift the other up on a pedestal during the 19th century either. We did not magically grant American citizenship and rights to people who were not subject to our laws back then.

          Some of us on AR know exactly who instituted these nonsense policies and it had nothing to do with European altruism.

      • Andy

        I agree with you to some extent. Blacks as a people should have as much autonomy as possible, which means that there should be as many black doctors, lawyers, and scholars as it is safe to produce (we particularly do not need incompetent doctors). This is why I support black colleges. It will afford black Americans a better chance of advancing themselves as a people, while being honest about the fact that this degree was awarded to someone who would have needed affirmative action at a white college.

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          In any case, I would only go to a black “doctor” as a last resort.

  • Spartacus

    “Aside from blacks, a majority of all other major subgroups believe colleges should determine admissions solely on merit. ”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    That’s because blacks know they’re the most useless form of life on earth, even if they deny it in public . They know that any minimally reasonable challenge is too much for them.

    • Beetlejuice

      They don’t care. Blacks will receive set-aside, overpaid government jobs from which they can’t be fired. Then they can do whatever they want like come in anytime they feel like it, take off any day they like, call in sick, leave early, goof off on the job. Try to reprimand or fire them and you’ll have the EEOC down your throat in a heartbeat.
      I know because I work with these people, they are untouchable and they know it.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    I guess the liberals all disagree with Martin Luther King when he said he wanted all people to be judged on their character and not on the color of their skin.

  • Let’s see ….. The wise latina on the SCOTUS was told to go home from Princeton and read children’s books over the summer to learn English.

    BUCHANAN: Well I, again in that Saturday piece, she went to Princeton. She graduated first in her class it said. But she herself said she read, basically classic children’s books to read and learn the language and she read basic English grammars and she got help from tutors. I think that, I mean if you’re, frankly if you’re in college and you’re working on Pinocchio or on the troll under the bridge, I don’t think that’s college work.

    Quote is from ThinkProgress.

    I think we know how this Ivy Leaguer will vote.

  • John R

    Even BLACKS are divided on this issue. Whites OVERWEALMINGLY oppose using race as a criteria. But colleges do it anyway, and the major media supports it-labeling opponents as “right wing conservatives.” Isn’t it obvious to all by now, that the people who dominate our politics, and set the tone for our society, are not “liberals” but really radical cultural Marxists?
    I have tried to convince people of this: The Republicans are the New Liberals; and the Democrats are really the descendants of the Radical New Left of the late sixties and early seventies. There are really no true “conservatives” anymore in the media, or in government. Only people like us, on this website, are really conservatives.

  • OhWow

    Blacks have such a “what’s in it for us?” attitude rather than a “what can I do for my country” attitude. It’s really getting old. They are leeches and they need their behinds wiped because they can’t do anything themselves.

    • Sick of it

      The separate mindset started in the 19th century, thanks to imported ideas from Europe (such as Marxism).

  • Allan477

    For myself, unity is strength; diversity is always a weakness.

  • APaige

    Blacks know they need affirmative action. Legal discrimination against Whites and Asians is the only way to overcome IQ and effort.

    • Beloved Comrade

      Unlike whites, Asians are able to use Affirmative Action. Moreover, ALL asians benefit from affirmative action just because of their race in GOVERNMENT OUTREACH CAMPAIGNS, TRAINING PROGRAMS, JOB RECRUITMENT, MANAGEMENT DEVELOPMENT, FEDERAL CONTRACTS as well as from all federal contractors and subcontractors because they are nonWhite.

      There is also rampant cheating among the Chinese

      “Conundrum: 90 Percent of China’s Applicants Cheat”

      www dot huffingtonpost dot com/…

      scholarships dot com /financial-aid/college-scholarships/scholarships-by-type/minority-scholarships/asian-scholarships/

      www caasf org

  • Bobbala

    I am amazed blacks have differing opinions on something besides March madness, NBA and NFL.

  • Evette Coutier

    When are these twits going to have to live by their own laws and rulings? When will the SCOTUS have give up their jobs for lower qualified minorities? When will Mary Sue Coleman, president of the University of Michigan, be forced to live next door the poor blacks. Shoot, when will Michele Obama have to eat the swill she’s shoving down the throats of school kids? I can guarantee that the laws, rulings, and policies in America, and in its colleges and universities, would look a whole lot different if the numbnuts who enact these rules have to live by them like the rest of us.

    • MBlanc46

      Yes. It’s early days to be using the word “segregation” in public, but when the topic does become discussable, the fact that segregation will be beneficial to blacks must be stressed.

  • Evette Coutier

    A little secret that the Negro community keeps hidden is called black male shame. They don’t talk about it with outsiders, but it is common among black males to feel shame because they feel inadequate. All the programs to help blacks will only make matters worse. They will always feel intellectually inferior. Seperation is the only chance they have at feeling self worth. They need to live among equals. So long as we force them into settings beyond their ability,there will always be conflict.

  • Caucasoid88

    Colleges beez raycis.

  • MerlinV

    “Diversity” in its various incarnations, only benefits non-whites at the expense of whites.

  • Romulus

    There have been many publications on this particular topic. Americas ivy league has become a veritable degree factory for intellectually inferior people as well as as bastions of debauchery. Awarding degress without merit simply dumbs down society and puts idiots incharge of very powerful and potentially dangerous positions. Cheating is at an all time high(particularly in the african precincts). Our society is becoming completely inept on a grand scale due nation changing descisions such as NCLB. Equality of outcome is simply unattainable based in part on intellectual capacity and against the founders original intent.
    The dumbest generation by MARK BEURLEIN is an excellent illustration of the problem.

  • Romulus

    There have been many publications on this particular topic. Americas ivy league has become a veritable degree factory for intellectually inferior people as well as as bastions of debauchery. Awarding degress without merit simply dumbs down society and puts idiots incharge of very powerful and potentially dangerous positions. Cheating is at an all time high(particularly in the african precincts). Our society is becoming completely inept on a grand scale due nation changing descisions such as NCLB. Equality of outcome is simply unattainable based in part on intellectual capacity and against the founders original intent.
    The dumbest generation by MARK BEURLEIN is an excellent illustration of the problem.

    • Sick of it

      The Garbage Generation by Daniel Amneus is also an interesting read.

      • Romulus

        Thanks Sick!

  • Creepy as crackers!

    I have met too many recent college graduates and I was not impressed. A college degree has been so watered down that I don’t think it carries as much clout as it did 30 or more years ago.

  • China_Rising

    Uh-oh… Race-mixer!

    To be honest, I consider it an annoyance, though not entirely a threat, when a White person marries an East Asian (or vice-versa).

    We are in a shortage of women…..

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    Sim, you married who you married. You have children who will likely achieve and do well. They will face the challenges that mixed-race children face, and you will have to be supportive to them as they go through the inevitable struggles over their identity. You love your family, and that is only right. There are others here who also married Asian women, are welcomed by most of us. My brother’s wife is from Thailand, and is a great gal. His first wife produced two sons for him, so his genes got passed on.

    I’m rambling here, but I guess the answer is, not everyone here will accept someone “marrying out.” But I look for allies everywhere.

    • China_Rising

      I would just suggest to you, in regards to your brothers’ wife, that you should be wary.

      There are significant differences between Southeast Asians and East Asians.

      The mean IQ in Southeast Asia today is 87, and in Thailand it is around 90. (Lynn and Vanhanen, 2012)

      These differences are largely reflected in the way society is run. Thailand has largely had no impediments to it’s growth, yet it has remained stable as a middle-income economy, bordering on Latin America in terms of it’s development (though without the significant levels of crime).

      I suspect that Southeast Asians, to a great extent, resemble Latin Americans (which are largely Mestizos today) more so than they do East Asians or Whites.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        Point taken. That said, my sister-in-law is a very bright gal, a hard worker, and a good wife to my brother, for nigh on 20 years.

        But I have read (and own) Professor Lynn’s writings, and you are correct about the averages.

        • China_Rising

          Fair enough.

    • Antipodean WN

      We don’t need non-white allies or race traitor allies.

      Its like saying the Armenians should have sought Turkish allies….during the genocide.

      Your brother is a sell-out race traitor who has added to the non-white burden of whatever Western country he is in.

      And his mongrel kids will compete with the prestige University spots with white kids.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        Well, he never procreated with her. His children (by his first wife) are white. My brother worked for many years in Asia and the Pacific after his divorce, so I suppose the supply of eligible white women was sparse.

        In any case, he is, unfortunately, not one of us.

        • Antipodean WN

          In a perfect world your brother and his wife would be taken out and have the contents of a .45 Magnum emptied into their already brain dead numbskulls. Then America will be fewer each of a race traitor and a non-white by one.

  • Antipodean WN

    Any white nationalist of integrity will shun you, and tell you to get lost, which is what I am now saying to you.

    You are as welcome here as a white woman dating a black guy would be.

    Now. The only acceptable asiatic or half breed asiatic is one who is in China. Hope you get the drift.

    • China_Rising

      No, the only people welcome in China are Chinese. Take your mixed-race trash and keep them.

      • Antipodean WN

        Fair enough —I couldn’t care less what happens to mongrels —-perhaps chuck his little half-castes in the middle of the Pacific ocean?

  • Antipodean WN

    SimianBrowse has added three! non-whites to the US. (Just like John Derbyshire). A non-white is a non-white. I don’t care what their purported average IQs are. I care for the preservation of my own race.

  • Antipodean WN

    SimianBrowse – for Jared Taylor’s take on it google
    “Race purists jared taylor”

    From the article:

    “Together with our mass immigration policies, this spells doom for the survival of whites and their culture……So, despite the laws of friendship and hospitality, I’m not “fine with miscegenation.”

    SimianBrowse – get lost you miscegenating race traitor.

  • Antipodean WN

    Check out the D Duke site about who really benefits from affirmative action for college placements. What’s the chance this post won’t be deleted?

  • Antipodean WN

    Anyone who purposefully covers up, or facilitates, or supports the Jewish tribalism that dominates America, is an enemy of our people. The Jewish power over us is the ultimate source of our genocide.

    Any Jew or any Gentile, no matter what he preaches on any individual subject, is an enemy of our people if he defends the Jewish tribalists, and Jewish organizations that control so much of our society. He is an enemy if he minimizes it. Dr Duke