John Derbyshire on the Babes of American Renaissance

John Derbyshire, VDARE, April 9, 2013

I had the privilege of speaking to the American Renaissance conference in Tennessee this past weekend. Here are just a few random personal notes.

Tennessee. A lovely state, in which I’d like to spend more time. The Mrs. and I went down there a couple of days early to do some sightseeing.

Here we are on one of the Confederate batteries at Fort Donelson, looking downriver, whence Union Flag Officer Andrew Foote’s little fleet steamed up to attack the fort on St. Valentine’s Day, 1862. That particular foray didn’t go well, but the fort soon fell anyway.

Say what you like about the Feddle Gummint—goodness knows, I’ve said plenty—but the National Park Service does a great job with these battlefields. In furtherance of my project of turning myself into a Civil War buff, I intend to explore more of them whenever I can.

At Fort Donelson there’s a 15-minute movie they show at the Visitors Center to set you up for the tour. It concentrates on Grant and Buckner and their long acquaintance. Mooching around old battlefields is not really Mrs. Derbyshire’s thing; but the personal aspect of the Grant-Buckner encounter got her attention, and thereafter she was clambering over the guns and peering into the powder magazines as enthusiastically as I was. We may have two Civil War buffs in the making here.

Another thing that got my lady’s attention was the Confederate Monument.  She: “You would never see such a thing in China—a monument to those who fought on the losing side. 胜者王侯敗者賊, that’s how we think.”

The idiom means: “If you win, you’re a lord; if you lose, you’re a bandit.”

O’Rourke’s law in action. Some years ago P.J. O’Rourke was attending some rally on behalf of the homeless in Washington, D.C. Noticing the straggly hair, coke-bottle glasses, poor complexions, ill-fitting clothes, and globular silhouettes of the gyno-Americans present, he hypothesized that the movement would go nowhere much because rising causes attract pretty women.

If that is right, American Renaissance has a bright future. There were a surprising number of attractive young women in attendance. In fairness I should also say that, so far as this irredeemably heteronormative observer could judge, the number of good-looking young men was also much higher than I expected.

Perhaps AmRen could start a dating service.

Speechifying. Far be it from me to make invidious distinctions among the speakers, but I must say I thought Ramzpaul was particularly good.

He actually did something difficult: He gave a funny and entertaining presentation that yet managed to cover matters of substance. Under that subversive wit there’s a serious man thinking serious thoughts.

Next Slide, Please. If you’re saying that, you should be disqualified for life from giving PowerPoint presentations. Get a dongle!

A Hero of Our Time. That’s Jared Taylor, the principal and onlie begetter of American Renaissance.

Jared has been plowing his lonely furrow with dogged determination for over twenty years now, in the face of ferocious hostility from all the petty tyrants of our society, including efforts to deprive him of his livelihood (which has nothing to do with American Renaissance or its goals).

He and I have differences of opinion on some particular topics, but I cherish Jared’s friendship and think foul scorn on those who, in the name of a false and malicious ideology, are trying to bring him down.

(Come to think of it, I don’t have much higher regard for those self-styled conservatives who were too cowardly to speak up in Jared’s defense when previous AmRen conferences were scotched by radical-Left agitators. What happened to the Voltaire Principle?)

Jared once quoted to me Robert E. Lee’s remark that “Duty is the sublimest word in our language.” That is undoubtedly how he sees his efforts. Spend ten minutes in this man’s presence with an open mind: you will then see all the cant about “hate” and “supremacy” for the facile gibberish that it is.

One day the canters will be utterly forgotten; but if our civilization survives, there will be statues to Jared Taylor in public squares.

Take-Away Quotes. I’ll leave you to harvest your own when AmRen puts out their full DVD of the conference.  Here’s one that stuck in my mind. It was from Jared’s own address.

“Most people are incapable of holding an unfashionable opinion.

Apothegms don’t get truer than that. Meditate on it: It explains a lot.

An Apology. I owe an apology to Jared and his followers.

Some years ago I casually retailed unflattering hearsay about the AmRen conference attendees.

I should have sought a second opinion.

For the record, I regret having been so careless, and report that the people I met at last weekend’s conference were intelligent, well-mannered, and non-crazy patriots all. I heard no buzzing.

Lunatics in Attendance. Not that there weren’t crazy people in attendance at Montgomery Bell State Park. There was a whole raft of them. However, the park police kept them corralled away from conference attendees, so we could observe their capering and shrieking with detached amusement.

The protestors’ signs—see the last two pictures here—made even less sense than usual, and were surely inappropriate for persons claiming to be enemies of “hate.” I mean, really: “REPEAT DRESDEN”? I guess they couldn’t spell “Hiroshima.”

I’m glad to know, however, that the anti-AmRen crowd are hostile to gun control. “THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS” said one of the signs, with a crude drawing of what looked like an AK-47.

Although perhaps a weapon emblematic of a regime that murdered tens of millions of its own citizens might not have been the best image to have used in this context. That’s not to mention other nations’ citizens. The bullet marks that could still be seen on public buildings in central Budapest when I visited that city in 1964 were presumably made by AK-47 fire.

(A fellow attendee, a gun enthusiast like myself, remarked as we watched the scraggy-bearded, ill-kempt, and—of course!—uniformly white protesters waving their signs, that if any one of them knew which end of an AK-47 the bullet came out of, he, my companion, would be mighty surprised. Me too.)

Those signs were very crude, by the way: rough patches of cardboard scrawled on with Sharpies. This was the best they could do? For pity’s sake, someone give them George Soros’s phone number.

Southern hospitality. I can’t sign off without a word of thanks to the State of Tennessee employees who made our trip so enjoyable.

The staff at Montgomery Bell park were all friendly and helpful. The state rangers who kept those protesters neatly corralled were courteous and professional. (I thought they were in fact a bit more courteous than duty called for. I got the impression they would have been happy to sit in the conference hall listening to the lectures…)

Thanks to everyone who made this a successful conference, most especially to Jared and his staff. We had a great time, renewed old friendships and made some new ones, and look forward eagerly to future conferences., by arrangement with AmRen, has already posted Jared’s address to the conference. My own will be up in the next day or two.

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  • The__Bobster

    I like the inside story. Hell knows you’d never get it from the MSM.

  • Athling

    This is a good thing. We need our women involved. Very good. I am thrilled about that. Remember how the media made such a big deal about there being no women that would attend a conference back in ’06-’07?

    • Svigor

      Yes, a transgressive movement like ours needs at least a sizable minority of alpha women; their aggression is interpreted by the lizard parts of the brains of witnesses as fertile women under attack. Angry males are far more common and easily dismissed or ignored.

      So alpha women make great mouthpieces and PR people.

      • Athling

        I don’t consider our movement to be transgressive at all. Those who oppose us are the transgressors in my view. I will agree that women are the best communicators though.

        • Svigor

          It’s absolutely transgressive. Stomps right on the heart of the ruling “morality.”

        • Garrett Brown

          It is by what society accepts as the norm now extremely transgressive.

        • MBlanc46

          As Jared Taylor said, our views are unfashionable. Many, such as the protesters, want them to be unsayable. At the moment they are in the ascendent, although there is a glimmer of hope that the tide is turning.

    • Cannot Tell

      Has anyone considered the possibility that the white nationalist movement does not need female activists to succeed? I read a pretty interesting article on about how men have been far more responsible for history’s movements than women have. If I could find that article, I would post a link to it here.

      Perhaps white nationalists should concentrate their efforts on recruiting young men. I’m sure we can all agree that the women will eventually follow wherever the men go.

      • Athling

        I understand your point and I did read that article at Alt Right. This is just a personal preference of mine. I wish more women on our side would speak out and join us. The Left has no shortage of women and we should have plenty on our side too. They can make a difference in ways unique to themselves. Plus, I find them interesting. Will we ever hear from Mrs. Taylor? I think that would be nice.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          You are asking us to be something we are not. As somebody has already mentioned, women, by nature don’t join these movements. It is not because there is something wrong with us. It is because that is how we are made.

          I have come across some comments in this movement where white women even get compared to women of other races, in that why aren’t we as supportive of our men as they are? Well, before asking these questions, we need to first examine what the men of those races are like. They openly speak proud of their race and it isn’t taboo in their culture, so naturally, the women follow what is socially acceptable.

          I am disturbed with all the comments on here expecting more women to come to these things when only less than 1% of white men are coming to them.

          • Athling

            Suppose I said, “The more CourtneyfromAlabama’s we can get to join us the better.” That sound any better?

          • Popeye Doyle

            For the record, I have yet to meet a single woman who didn’t think she has been mistreated by men somehow. We don’t need women in the movement. Here you gave what a normal person would think of as a compliment to women and you are being taken to task for it by… a woman! Geez forgetta bout it.

          • Athling

            You may be onto someting there my friend.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I responded to him that way because, for the most part, men on these websites approach this topic negatively, as if white women are the root cause of the problems with our race, without looking at the bigger picture as to why we are in our current state.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            The problem is that feminism is what arrives when you honestly and objectively look at the “big picture.” I think you must be young because you seem to have missed enough recent history (late 20th century) to be in denial about this. I find this common in young women these days. They have attitudes but cannot identify their source. Feminism has become generalized as a given set of now expected social structures. But men and women have a completely different experience out there because of it.

            I think you ought to take some time and review the history of feminism in the 20th century as part of getting an understanding as to why so many white men see it that way. Are we all wrong and you right? Perhaps a personal tweak is necessary; it is okay to be wrong once in a while and admit it. In fact, you can’t make much progress in any endeavor without the ability to identify faults in yourself.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            You are very quick to falsely accuse posters of things on here and then when we defend ourselves, you don’t give us the courtesy of at least seeing our answers. No, I don’t see myself as always right. If that is what you get out of my posts then something is very wrong. You enjoy ranting about feminism. I admit feminism is a problem, and I have never denied that. What I try to argue on here is that men are equally responsible for our race’s failures, especially since you were supposed to be the leaders. How did you allow feminism?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Perhaps it’s time for the “Amren Race Realist Dating” site to arrive?

          • Pat

            Your first paragraph spot on Courtney. Second paragraph not so sure. There are women in other races who ‘support’ their men because they know what they would get if they didn’t. It is not that long ago in our culture where women were not expected to have a say or an opinion on anything. We have only had the vote for about a century, if that. I put the odd post on here using my name, Pat, a lot of poster automatically think I must be Patrick not Patricia. Look at the comments on your post – ‘we don’t need women in the movement’, ‘we don’t have to have any at all’, hardly encouraging are they – the truth will out. It wasn’t us women who made this mess in the first place.

            I would have liked to have been able to attend an AmRen Conference, but living here in England it is way beyond our means. I am looking forward to the video.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Hmmm, 1% of what, the entire population of white men in America, North America, or of the estimated number of white male race realists? Why should it matter how many women come compared to men? If women care enough about it, they will come. But my guess is that many of the attending men are married and their wives don’t feel a need to accompany their husbands since they can fill them in when they return and save the expense of travel and the worry of leaving the home empty (or children unattended). There are lots of possible reasons. My wife agrees with me on all these issues, and hates what feminism has done to women, but she never comments about it on blogs. For some reason, she leaves it to me. Perhaps that is just fine as it is. White women need to return to supporting their white male partners, not showing that they can attend a meeting in equal numbers.

            You may not like me for the posts I make, and I am sorry for that. I would love to be able to encourage you, but I only will in the ways I see right for whites in the long run.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            You are impossible to debate with. I wasn’t the one making a big deal about how many women show up. I was simply responding and explaining the situation to the men on here who are. Stop putting words in my mouth all the time. Please list for me the women above who are trying to say women should be showing up in equal numbers to men. None of us have said that. I try to be polite on here, but posters like you irritate me to high Heaven. Don’t respond to my posts if you aren’t able to decipher what I write. Instead you only read what you want, and then the result is that you end up accusing me of something I didn’t say at all.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Courtney, Whiteplight is patronizing you.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      That is a lie. I was at the conference in 06 as were many other women.

  • Svigor

    If you correct for the SES factor (education correlates with indoctrination levels), I think “WN chicks are hot” is kind of inevitable:

    We have a near-monopoly on true dissent. Nobody else’s dissent is transgressive any more.
    Transgressive dissent is alpha behavior.
    Alpha chicks are attractive because attractiveness is a big part of how alpha females get to be alpha females.

    “Duty is the sublimest word in our language.”

    Indeed. Nothing injects meaning into life the way the pursuit of a righteous duty does.

    [I]f our civilization survives, there will be statues to Jared Taylor in public squares.

    Absolutely true. And nicely done; if we survive.

    • Svigor

      Disqus seems to be broken these days. I keep trying to edit the above comment. My revisions show in the comment field but not in the comment itself.

      • Disqus has been FUBAR for the last week or so.

        • TeutonicKnight67

          Perhaps Disqus has an agenda?

      • I would surmise many people are having trouble logging on to their Disqus accounts, because it took this moderator more than a dozen times before it let me log in to moderate.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          I’m set to automatically use Disqus every time my browser (Google Chrome) comes to AmRen, but I’ve had to log back into Disqus – password and all – several times today.

      • One possibility, if a comment has been moderated it can not be edited.

        I just edited this one three times and all took.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          I’ve had no problems with extensive edits this evening, either. I’ve been doing some painting downstairs in between posts and edits. No complaints. Even Disqus is behaving itself.

  • dmxinc

    Did you see the comments on that article linked to taking away Jared’s livelihood?

    Those “anti-racists” are some confused and pathetic individuals.

  • Whiskey

    White women hate, hate, hate beta white guys. They want the alpha black studs. Just watch how crazy they over rap videos. Trust me. I live in Irvine and I see it everyday. Beta provider white guys are totally out of style these days compared to alpha muscled black men with basketball and rap skills.

    • Full Auto

      Whiskey, please don’t start this over here at AmRen like you did over at SBDL. Please. We don’t need your self-hating depression. Thank you.

      • Full Auto

        I recommended that you hit the gym and start working out and watch your diet. Did you try any of that?

        • Svigor

          He’s probably got all that sorted out. We know he’s “Scots-Irish” and “married,” so he’s probably “in great shape,” too.

          • StillModerated

            I wonder what “his” husband looks like.

          • Svigor

            The creepy part is that it’s probably someone spoofing Whiskey. I don’t want to know how nuts somebody has to be to want to spoof Whiskey.

      • Svigor

        What’s so funny about this is that many of us grew up hip deep in black males and know how very far the vast majority of them are from “alpha studs.” Fat, ugly, and woefully stupid types predominate, though not necessarily all three traits in each individual. Usually at least two, though.

        • Full Auto

          True. Also, I tried explaining to Whiskey how all the white guys at the gym I attend are alpha-males. The blacks that do come in show us a good measure of respect. I’m 6’3″, 252 lbs, and can bench press 460 lbs and I am one of the smaller ones there.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        Sorry, but ANYONE can post and since the motto of this site comes from Jefferson defending anyone’s right to say what they think, it is YOU who are out of order. I find it a typical leftist tactic to try to run someone off a site. It is also very assumptive of you to imagine that you speak for everyone.

    • Svigor

      Jewish gals, sure. Amanda Bynes loves loves loves the black guys.

      • TeutonicKnight67

        I highly doubt that miscegenation is limited to north of the Mason-Dixon line my friend. I think we agree that it is repugnant no matter where it occurs,

        • Svigor

          No, but resistance to miscegenation (as opposed to avoidance) is pretty much limited to south of it. AFAICT Yankee women see resistance to miscegenation as a mortal sin and a cause for shame, and proud acceptance of it as a source of pride, with very few exceptions. Or maybe we just happen to be getting that sort of transplant down here in the south where I live. Just a wild coincidence, I suppose.

          • TeutonicKnight67

            As a Yankee I can only speak of what I observe up North. there are plenty of us, both men and women, who are anti-miscegenist. Because the North fell to the Communists decades ago and they control both the schools and the media, it must appear to Southrons that we are all in lockstep with the rainbow agenda. I assure you sir, nothing could be further from the truth.

            Recall how northern cities erupted in violent protest during the forced bussing era. Also note that the suburbs of the Northeast are the most racially polarized in the country.
            Many people here parrot the marxist equality drivel with their mouths but practice reality with their feet. I realize this must seem very hypocritical to you but try to be patient. Our resolve grows every day.

    • Garrett Brown

      Well yes, it’s just more proof society is going to collapse. What’s your point? Are you bragging? Looking for a hyped up response? For someone to be surprised? You’ll find none of that here. You can have the mud sharks, I have already found my sweetheart. The smart women will always be racially aware.

    • jane johnson

      The only alpha black studs I want to see are on football fields; catching, carrying, or throwing a block. Period. Your comment will NOT help you get laid. Not even a sympathy f***.

      • fakeemail

        I’d prefer to see them in Africa.

    • fakeemail

      Whiskey, you’re over the top here. Most white women do not prefer black guys. They want the alpha white men of various stripes. And unfairly reject the beta white men who may in fact be smarter, better family material, and even more financially successful.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        “And unfairly reject the beta white men who may in fact be smarter……”

        Comments like this really disturb me. First of all, if attractive white women go after alpha white males, they shouldn’t be getting criticized for it. They are acting on their natural instincts. Don’t alpha white men only date real attractive women? It is part of biology and the insecure men on here need to get over it.

        The people of both genders who are less attractive usually end up pairing up with each other, and, based on Rushton’s work, they seem to be selecting for each other anyways, and seem to be content. White people of either gender who try to date out of their league are foolish and have only themselves to blame.

        And, actually, most couples I know consist of a more physically attractive white woman with a less physically attractive white man. I guess the most attractive white men are players. Where is the criticism for that?

        The people in the white gene pool who are left without partners need to assess why they are still single. This movement attracts a lot of men like that who choose to blame most white women for it. Quite frankly, I am sick of it.

        • fakeemail

          You’re right. The single women over 30 should assess why they spent their most fertile and beautiful teens and 20s bedding down with losers and players. And then when they’re over the hill expecting the good guys to play captain save-a-ho.

          Yes, I know women are always sick of the cold hard of fact of HYPERGAMY being clearly and calmly stated.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Your response is exactly what I am talking about. What were most white men doing in their 20’s? Were they looking for wives? My point is to look at the big picture instead of constantly only looking at what women are doing wrong.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I would say that what you don’t understand is that these guys don’t see any hope in doing what you want them to do. Men for decades now have mostly ended up paying alimony and child support OR paying a heavy price for not doing so after their wife/girlfriend’s feminist inspired difficulty ruined it. Males get hammered from elementary school on while females are lifted and touted – given preference/position as part of the PC remedy to all that ails the country and world. It doesn’t take much to bring difficulties of all sorts to a male that gets involved with a female. You cannot see that feminism is the main cause of this and it is women who must fix it, because men can’t . I expect that a full, societal collapse will do much to remedy this, but the cost will be very high.

          • Are you single?

          • pcmustgo

            I don’t think that many women at all are true believers in feminism.

          • pcmustgo

            Yes, Courtney, true. I was never approached much by white males in my teens and early/mid-20’s. I’ve since stepped up my game, but yeah, this is a two way street. This is even more true in the big cities, like NYC, where all the men play around, people marry super late. Men here in NYC, including white men, are known for refusing to commit, using women for sex, being married to their jobs until age 40 and only dating gold diggers, being metrosexual/bisexual etc. The white women I knew who dated only white men had plenty of problems too. It’s usually women who want to commit more.

            In cities like NYC, there is no reason for men to commit. Plenty of women to keep dating forever.

        • Morris LeChat

          WOW!!! The incredible nonsense gobbledygook that rattles around inside the female head is astounding. You waste your time thinking of this type of nonsense?

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I am only responding to the constant one sided blame game that resonates constantly in these comment sections.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Instead of being reactionary, why don’t you look into some possible reasons are to why so many feel that way? Are you too proud and such a know-it-all at your age?

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Am I a reactionary or are you? I am glad you are so worried about a female’s opinion who is so much younger than you are. You seem to enjoy following me around on here. Why is that? What is your problem?

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          I worked with an orthopedic surgeon in Eastern Europe for a while. What I learned was that the women there are attracted to educated men first. They see them as the alphas. It has something to do with survival potential as understood by women who have not had the luxuries on the level Western women have had for a long time. Too much luxury = decadence = collapse.

          Although I am considered good looking, I had a very hard time finding a life partner in the 70s and 80s although I dated a great deal. I always found that women were infected by feminism and had something to prove to me because of it. You don’t understand how much it affected relationships in those days. I didn’t find my present wife until I was 45. Now, white guys are just too beat down. I even found a website a while back where young white guys talk about how they will never marry and what a losing deal it is. I have known many really decent white guys who could never find a partner. It seems that the best actually end up not reproducing. I also remember way back that the cutest girls seemed to always go for the worst guys. There seems to be something wrong there in general. But I think it is in our society because I had to literally fight off beautiful women in their 20s and 30s when I was in my late 40s in Eastern Europe. They were even often taller than me. I am 5’6″. I also learned that height wasn’t such a factor there either, as it is in the West. (I did get hit on by young Dutch women in The Netherlands, too).

          • pcmustgo

            DUH, YOU WERE THE RICH AMERICAN GUY… gold diggers love money and visas….

            Plenty of horror stories of white american men marrying asian and russian/eastern european mail order brides, or similar types.

    • White Mom in WDC

      I am a white female and as I have said over at SBPDL, I would not touch a purple penis with a ten foot pole.

    • gemjunior

      That is sooooo gross. Every white women I know is disgusted by them as I am. To me there is no such thing as “alpha black stud” because an alpha male must be super smart as well as all the other qualities of an alpha. And they are simply not intelligent, and most are violent. Alpha males lead by intelligence and other people’s trust in them, they only use violence when necessary; while blacks descend into violence usually immediately from frustration. The frustration comes from anger at not knowing what to do or how to handle something (I think). Anyway, a dangerous amount of our white women are unfortunately susceptible to the indoctrination. But most feel their skin crawl at the thought.

      • robinbishop34

        Gross is right. Who would even consider that?

    • Katherine McChesney

      Sigh! What a pathetic comment. Your judgement is seriously impaired.

  • The Ice Queen

    It was a pleasure meeting and hearing Mr. Derbyshire. I think he is the funniest Englishman next to Mr. Bean. I am partial to the subtleties of British humor, my mother being from England. I hope to see The Derb again at future conferences. I’m glad to hear he enjoyed his visit and our company.

    • Svigor

      England by way of the Red Sea, I suppose.

      • TeutonicKnight67


      • The Ice Queen

        I assume this means you think I’m Jewish. I’m not. What would give you that impression?

        • Svigor

          Well, if your name stopped shifting on a day-to-day basis, that might help clear up the confusion. Yesterday it was “Whiskey.”

          • The Ice Queen

            My Dear Svigor,

            I am not Whiskey. Disqus is possessed. There seems to be a glitch that re-posts and switches names around. I hope that clears up the confusion between us.

            Much love,
            Frozen Margarita,
            aka, The Ice Queen

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    I appreciate Derbyshire’s compliments. Trust me, I am very flattered. But ever since I have started attending these events in 06, there have usually been about 7 to 10 young women in attendance, including myself.

    Since Jared Taylor is in the rebuilding years of his conference, unfortunately the overall attendance hasn’t grown since 06. It has gone down from over 300 when I went in 06, and is now climbing back up in recovery since 2010 and 2011 when it got shut down.

    During that time, young women have remained in the same proportions of the total conference attendance all that time. I don’t see this conference as different. It may have been his first one.

    If we are talking about women total (of all ages), I would say there were at least 30 at this event, including a lot of women who just attended their husbands. That usually seems to be about the norm as well.

    I talked to a few men at the conference who kept making jokes about how “there are only five women here”. They obviously didn’t look around very much.

    • blight14
    • I made an inquiry about attendance records in a previous article, but received no response. So roughly 300 is the record as far as you know?

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        It was over 300 in 06. I am not sure about previous conferences. They were probably growing in attendance up to 06 and 08. I am not sure if 08 was even more. Then 10 and 11 got canceled. 12 was a rebuilding year. This year, 13, had over 150 and I think that may have been more than last year. We are on the right track.

    • Garrett Brown

      I had posted a comment that I hope I get to finally see what you look like next year but it was removed for some (odd?) reason. Everyone always talks very highly of your appearance.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        That is nice of you Garrett. You need to come to a conference!

        • Garrett Brown

          I shall be there next year!

    • The Ice Queen

      It seemed like there were only maybe about ten women there, but then I don’t know, I don’t look at women, and wasn’t counting them. The question about why there are so few women has been batted around a bit by the men on this site. It is a good question. Maybe us ladies should give our opinions about why we think women don’t show up.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Anon, the first night, at the reception, there may have been under ten. But by Saturday and then on into the banquet, there were a couple of times I looked around the room, and it almost looked like every other head was female. I know that wasn’t the case. I was just noticing them more. Yeah, I would say that, including the elderly women, there were about 30.

        • White Mom in WDC

          Dear Amren Women: I really would like to connect with you all. I just got into Amren like two months ago. I really wanted to go to the convention but I have two kids and my parents could not look after them. I fully intend in going to next year’s convention

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Do you know of a way we can connect through Disqus?

          • GeneticsareDestiny

            I think it would be great to talk with other Amren women. I wish I had been able to go to the conference, but I just could not afford it this year. I’m hoping to be able to go to one within the next few years though.

          • Would you have gone had the conference fee been paid for you? What about a really reduced rate on hotel? Would you have had to drive or fly?

            I promise I’m not asking just for the sake of asking. Our government takes our money and spends it on programs and platforms that are enacted with the specific purpose of socially engineering us out of existence. I like to be in control of my destiny a little more than that; so I don’t see why money should ever get in the way of White people getting together to fight against the anti-White agenda.

          • GeneticsareDestiny

            Sure, I would have gone if someone had paid for me. And I would have had to fly; I don’t even have a car. But I would feel bad about taking handouts, even for a pro-white cause. Whites do need to be putting money towards pro-white causes more though, I agree. After all, every other race has billions of dollars spent on lobbying for causes that benefit them.

          • If that situation presents itself to you in the future, then don’t look at it as a handout. Think of it more as being pat on the back for having the guts to do something that a lot of other people are too afraid to do. Many people are paid outrageous sums of money to try and infect you with rhetoric filled with lies and deceit. So is it really a handout if someone gives you a small little token of appreciation to keep you inoculated from the madness? It’s really just the right thing to do.

          • concernedcollegekid

            I’m a woman in my early 20s and I would love to go one of these years. This year it was logistically and financially impossible but if I’m ever able to go in the future I’ll give people a heads up in the comments section of this site.

            Also, how does Amren choose the speakers? Would you be open to suggestions about who to invite next year? I’ve been thinking about who it would be cool to see speak at one of these if I could go. Charles Murray would probably be my dream person to go (I’d love to meet him), but I’m not sure if he’s too “mainstream” to be associated with Amren even though he is a famous race realist.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            And so it begins; the “Amren Women’s Group.” No doubt needed so that women can “assert themselves” to the chauvinist males involved in the white realist movement. The first thing you need to do is purge yourselves of feminism and locate examples of women in cultures (older Western cultures) who knew that supporting their men was necessary for their own survival as well as their children’s and that they were the heart of men and the nurturer of society.

            One great read in this line is Libby Custer’s “Boots to Saddles.” You can find that on Amazon in paperback, cheap. Another good one covering the same period is “A Fate Worse than Death,” Michno – for understanding the difficulties of white settlers in the 19th century West.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            You just enjoy being negative. If all these women are showing an interest in attending the conference, do you really think we are going to be combative towards the men there? That makes no sense whatsoever.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Don’t be simple. I don’t imagine that you or anyone is going or would be going to that conference in order to be combative. People do that best online, anyway. Deflecting my suggestions to you so cheaply may save you some face in your mind, but you are far too defensive of feminism, or at least seem to make little effort to understand why men here say the things they do that annoy you as a woman.

            As for me being negative, I don’t enjoy it, but anyone who’s been around very long and knows very much knows that the future is pretty bleak any way you project it. It is especially bleak for whites. Race Realism and racial awareness isn’t the result of positive events we ought to celebrate.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I would debate you more politely if you would stop calling me names that don’t define me.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I don’t call anyone names. What are you talking about? I am concerned with your recognizing that defending women as a whole seems to be trained into you from some of the comments you have made in the past. Feminism is so generalized now in 2013 that it is quite possible to do it unconsciously. I am happy to learn otherwise, but you have never until a post above said it plainly (at least when I was reading).

          • White Mom in WDC

            I don’t think Amren men are chauvinists. Anyway, I am just looking to connect with smart, aware, like minded women. Hard to find Amren type women out there. May be the women can email their web addresses or email addresses to Amren and then somehow the information can get exchanged

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            It’s not up to me, so I don’t know why you’re addressing me with this. But I don’t think that Amren does this sort of thing because of liability.

          • Have you thought about using a small little website where it would be easier to stay in touch?

          • white flower

            There are a couple of posters on here who have their own blogs and who might be able to connect some of the women posters who’d like to get in touch. LMK if you’re interested and I can direct you to their blogs; both are regulars at Amren and to me seem very trustworthy. This is if they’d be willing once we sent the info to their blogs, which could be done without posting, to relay it to the other women Amreners. I deleted my account recently for security reasons. and others, but would love to get contact info for some posters who’re interested in starting real activism or in developing a real life web of support. You’ll know me as I’ve complained about going to school in DC and having to face the violence in the streets as a fair white female. I read on yesterday’s thread you’re leaving and it sounds like the time is well past. Kudos for seizing the moment, and future.

          • White Mom in WDC

            Please forward me the blogs. How do you want me to give you contact info? Do you live in DC? Perhaps we can arrange to meet?

          • white flower

            Don’t live in DC but occasionally travel there, atlhough I lived there for four years some time ago and have heard both on here and from friends how much worse it’s gotten.

   Question Diversity writes it, and maybe if you Complain on it he’ll have your email. I’ve complained and nagged him already quite a bit so he’s got my number down…

          • White Mom in WDC

            Ok. Thank you. If you don’t mind me asking, where do you live now

          • white flower

            In the NY metropolitan area.

          • white flower

            QD’s okay with it if you go on the site and ‘complain’ in an email he’ll forward you mine.

          • concernedcollegekid

            I much prefer Amren type men to feminized, liberal men who don’t act like men. I do not think most socially conservative white men are “chauvinists”, and I want a man who respects me as a person but also treats me like a woman and is unapologetic about being a man. Gender differences should be ENJOYED, and I for one enjoy them. A women’s group doesn’t have to be “against men”, and I doubt any Amren women’s group would go in that direction. Not all the women here agree on everything, but I think generally, Amren women understand that women and men have different strengths and different things to contribute to society, and we also understand that it is important for people like us to have children.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I like what you post here. I just would like to hear you qualify what you mean by “respect.” Respect is something that is earned, not given. Unless you mean the sort of respect that requires a man to not make uncalled for sexual advances or comments. Other than that, I would say that you as a woman get an even chance to show who you are and what you are by most men today, including race conscious men and including me. I am responding mostly to Courtney and the like that seem to need to identify as feminists and still consider themselves part of a racial realist group that is NOT out to suppress white men. Some things don’t mix, and this is one.

          • concernedcollegekid

            I guess by “respect” I mean not assuming things about my personality or intelligence before getting to know me. I don’t like being “talked down” at by men (although I have to say non-white men tend to do this to me more than white ones do). I know that respect is earned, but that’s kind of my point – I want a man to get to know me and give me a chance to earn his respect before he starts making advances or anything like that.

            I’ve read through your posts on this thread, and I have one question: What exactly do you define as “feminism”? In your ideal society, how many rights would women have compared to men? I’m not trying to be challenging or combative; I’m genuinely curious.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            You give me some meat to work with here, so I will do you the courtesy of a reply.

            First, I think you ought to examine what is behind your statement, “I don’t like to be talked down to by men.” Is this as opposed to women? I suspect you have a unconscious (or conscious) feminist trained resentment of men. In our culture, wherever you look, it is women doing the talking down to men. I actually think that we have arrived at the state where women are used to the supposed right to lecture men on whatever issue and it is an insult to a woman for a man to do it.

            Feminism is a sexual/political ideology that says that women are equal to men, period. It requires “justice” in affording women place as a legislative requisite due to claimed historical oppressions. It is a branch of Marxism that says that women are to be treated as equals in society. It is a part of the Frankfurt School model of Marxism that says women are sexually equal to men and have the same rights to select sex partners and experience sex with equal freedom (whatever that means). See – Herbert Marcuse’s “Eros and Civilization.

            The result of it has been a turning upside down of civilization (in the West) and many of the social results we complain about here on the pages of Amren. A former LA Chapter leader of NOW named Tammy Bruce wrote a book (several actually) titled “The New Thought Police.” It is about how she came to understand that the Women’s Movement was not about justice or equality at all, but about creating social and political advantages for women at the cost of men. They also got what is called Political Correctness going. The movement really caught fire in Berkeley, CA (in the late 60s) and I was there to see it and its affects from early on. It took over power at UC Berkeley and then all the Ivy Leaque colleges and spread until it finally got to the local community college and by the 1980s, even elementary schools. I have a nephew that got suspended from school in 1985 for telling a joke that was offensive to a couple girls. He was in the 8th grade.

            Nothing is perfect and no utopian white society or any society has or will ever exist. It would be nice however, if whites could learn enough from their own history to avoid religious wars and civil wars (that have always had religion behind them). What I see as the best model for whites is spirituality based on the reverence of ancestors. (This helps provide the impetus for the choosing of white mates as well). There is great satisfaction in knowing who your ancient “fathers” were. Rediscovering more nature based religions of the Celts makes a good basis for binding the people to their land, which is also a very spiritually rewarding thing devoid in most Americans. As for men and women; I favor the chivalric model. Women are the heart of men and the nurturers of the people. The men defend them and the children. We have roles and it is possible to have occasional exceptions. You might find my post on how some of the Gaulish tribes (at least) had a cultural system wherein older women taught selected young men the way of the warrior, although the women were not actually warriors, but teachers. They apparently felt that the young men were better taught by the tender guidance of these few, older women than by men. The women also seem to have been their first lovers and so bound the young men to the tribe this way while teaching them wisdom. This is just an example of how things have been in the past, quite different from the feminist notion and outcome of competition between the sexes with men the intended losers.

            Does this give you some ideas? Ask more questions if you wish.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            When have I ever defined myself as a feminist? You come on here and lie about people in order to prove your points. Jared Taylor’s moderators should be deleting your comments.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I don’t think I have actually accused you of being a feminist. However, I have tried numerous time, to explain to you why so many men are critical of women on this site. Most of the problems white males face today are due to the Feminist Movement. All you every had to to was acknowledge that rather than seem to defend women as a whole, defend the entire sexual designation. That is what has given me the impression that you were either knowingly or perhaps even unknowingly a product of feminism.

            If whites have any future at all, it is going to be a hard road. If we have to coddle anyone or any subgroup, we are going to have to be able to take it and be tough. (Notice that women somehow automatically become or identify themselves as a subgroup. It’s dangerously similar to having an “minority” group inside the “movement.” All sorts of dysfunction is a likely result of that).

            I do think that I realize that Amren applied a kind of filter with the heading of this article. If women posting here aren’t reacting to the phrase “The Babes of Amren,” as if it is the introduction to a photo shoot of white realist women showing lots of skin, then that says something about their lack of at least superficial feminist reactionism.

            I am going to agree with you on this point; I think I have hammered this issue long enough for now. I hope that you have learned something as well. If we can’t learn as we go on from encounters, especially negative ones, then this is all a waste of time with posters actually here for their psychological comfort rather than steeling themselves for challenges that exist now and the far tougher ones to come.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I think you defended women as a whole several times a while ago and that is a feminist trait. Maybe you don’t realize that? Calling out for having someone’s comments deleted is a strange thing to do on this site. Especially since there are so many whacky things written here all the time. It also goes against Amren’s Jeffersonian declarations concerning ideas and free speech. If you have to shut people up by censoring them, who is next?

            You could have been clearer early on in defining yourself. It seems that you were/are too proud to admit an error. But I am glad to read your statements now.

            I don’t have any reason to go on chastising you, if you are done defending women as a whole and could understand why so many male posters blame white women for their oppression. It’s just a historical fact, even if you personally did not do it yourself. We certainly have been made to suffer by feminism for things other men did or were claimed to have done, just as we have because blacks were once slaves in the U.S.

          • Garrett Brown

            I would only welcome more women to this movement, It can only hep us. If we can create our own nation after secession who is going to make the white babies?! You sound like you need a woman in your life. Don’t be so frustrated and negative, especially to racially aware women that post on this site.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I don’t know where you get that I am against women being in this “movement.” But you might ask yourself what a “movement” is and where do you think this one is going? It seems pretty small and divided to me.

            I have been married to a non-feminist of Southern background for 14 years. I am speaking from my experience as a man that is a retired doctor having treated the public and been public for decades and one who experienced the problems feminism has caused. As for being negative, what do you think is going on out there?

            But I don’t need you to teach me or order the nature or content of my posts. I write what I do for a well thought out reason. It’s your problem if you don’t get it.

          • Garrett Brown

            It will only get better with time. For now you should calm down and stop bad mouthing women who post on this site.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I disagree with your Pollyanna like optimism because it appears that you don’t realize the mountains looming ahead. Could you be that naive?

            Again, don’t pretend to instruct me how to post. I criticize feminism and anyone who thinks that they can be a white race realist and a feminist at the same time. I don’t “bad mouth” anyone, but make incisive, challenging criticisms because without them, I am certain that this “movement” will not just fail, but cause more damage than good to whites in the long run. If you can’t fathom that, it’s your inability of foresight and thought, not my “bad.”

          • Garrett Brown

            When the Union dissolves hopefully we can agree to give everyone their own patch of land and rule it the way they want to. Youtube Fringeelemant’s channels, he gives a great lecture on why he thinks it can work using historical secessions and statistics as proof. We certainly have enough room.

            Again, you need to calm down and stop being negative and bad mouthing the women on this site for absolutely no reason.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            You seem to think that in your version of the idyllic post Union nation that you will be the one to tell others what to say and think? This is why the entire issue is a joke; you have no idea of the reality of such a collapse. And it will collapse, not just call it a day and tell everyone to have a good time ruling themselves. As a doctor, I know that millions will die of infectious disease alone.

            I don’t “need” to do anything for you. And I am certainly not obligated to. Did you realize that this word use is what New Age councilors use to control their subjects?

            I guess we’re at the point where you have to make me stop saying what I feel is right for me to say and challenge the ideas I feel I need to challenge. But you are disqualified to even be in this forum because you wish to shut me up because you don’t like what I’m saying.

            I know why I am saying what I am saying and I feel that it is important to do.

          • Garrett Brown

            I’m not telling anyone what to think, I’m recommending you stop making yourself look like a fool and causing controversy when there doesn’t need to be any. “As a doctor, I’m a doctor, I being a doctor” I think we get the point son lol. We now know for certain you’re an internet doctor, congratulations!

            You need to, for your sake and everyone else’s on this site, stop bad mouthing women for feminist ideologies when they haven’t shown one bit of example to support it.

            So again, calm down and stop being negative.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I’ve been posting on this site for seven years and I’m also likely much older than you. I know when I’m reading feminist influence or commentary. I don’t need you as an interpreter. I am likely your elder as well as far more educated and experienced. Any white culture of the future will never succeed if it doesn’t learn to value respect their elders. I have been responding to Courtney and Daisy who have made feminist remarks and/or invoked them in the past.

            It sounds like you were brought up in a feminized school where you had to be fair to everyone, especially the girls. “Being negative” is one of the list of New Age psychobabble manipulations aimed at shutting people up and controlling them. You don’t even know where your own speech originates. “Being negative” is mistaken for critical review or self-analysis. If whites aren’t ready to do this and be tough enough to weather it and come out better for it. I am happily married for a long time, so your suggestion about needing a relationship, another leftist style speech control tactic, is invalid. But it seems you have a special need to have more women around, perhaps because you’re hoping to meet someone through Amren? Don’t try to think for me.

            There is a reason women were kept out of politics and places of power, especially tactical issues like warfare. Whenever women show up they cause a disturbance. Not necessarily because of anything they do in particular, at least at first, but because the men begin to fall into sexually competitive roles and responses among one another. I think I see you doing this here.

            You also arrogate to yourself the power to call order and you don’t even own or manage this site. You’re relatively new here, and you ought to show older posters and older people more respect and stop imagining you have power where you don’t. Amren used to have a smaller core of posters who knew one another. Many of them have disappeared as Disquis has come and all you new people have shown up. Shown up with a lot of bombast and assumed opinions that are usually devoid of historical or even political knowledge other than stereotypes and you don’t even recognize your own PC Newspeak when you use it.

            Don’t mock me as a race realist and a doctor. There aren’t too many of those around. Doctors of all kinds will be very valuable if and when a collapse does come. But again, you show a typical modern aged punk who can’t respect his elders or the educated, especially those who traditionally were at the core of a communities health and survival.

            But Amren has survived for a while now and with a great deal of
            “negativity” being voiced. So don’t be concerned for it or everyone
            else. You don’t have to read my posts if they upset you so much.

          • Garrett Brown

            Why would I or anyone else care about how old you are lol? You obviously do NOT know when you’re reading feminist comments, because there are none here.

            Stop raging on a website, you just look silly. Go calm down and talk to your southern bell, maybe she can make you happy. Your negativity isn’t needed on here.

            This is hilarious, I write one sentence and you get so mad you write paragraphs of anger. Please continue.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Thank you for defending me, Garrett. Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight’s definition of a feminist is out of line. Why doesn’t he start coming to conferences? The men who met me there seem to have had no problem with me. They are only saying good things about me on here.

          • Garrett Brown

            He will never come to a conference and say the things he does behind his computer. The “Internet tough guy” persona would instantly disappear. I would wager many men who go to these conferences would not allow him to either, especially around their wives. I would be extremely proud of my partner, girlfriend or wife, to come and be with me at these events; to take interest in it. But yes, agreed, if he’s so worried about the women not doing what they need to do for our movement to work, how about he come to a conference and speak about it? I highly doubt that will ever happen.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I am not interested in the conferences. I already know that Amren is a business that sells white realism and puts on a “do” once a year. I am a problem for them, but I have often held them to their Jeffersonian declarations. I am also known for my anti-Christian views. If Amren would like to PAY for my travel and time to the next conference, I would love to speak on both Feminism in our culture as well as the dangers of Christianity in a white realist movement. The problem is that so few want to be challenged. They react much as you seem to here, turning it into an issue of defending your ladies honor. But you’d have a big surprise if you ever did that; I was a top fencer on the national level for years and in a family with a national pistol champion.

            What I noticed is that you attacked me personally at once, quipping about my need for a woman, etc. Those who immediately fall to personal attacks as responses are generally well understood as trolls who have little intellectual ammunition.

          • Garrett Brown

            “I am not interested in the conferences”. Of course you aren’t thus why you’re spamming your negativity in this thread. I think you’re also scared to go but I could be wrong.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            You post like a troll on youtube, lol and all. But I am far past caring what anyone thinks of me, especially online.

            You seem to be cruising for a date here. I think you are now Courtney’s hero. Perhaps you ought to thank me. But there is more important work than creating a social network for lonely white men.

          • Garrett Brown

            Okay? I post like someone on Youtube, oh dear! Lol. I’m taken for now, but if the chance presents itself sure. I would love to meet any woman on this site, especially one supposedly as beautiful as Courtney. The only person that would be identified as lonely in this comment section is most certainly you. With how frustrated you are one has to wonder if that “southern bell” you were referencing is just made up, to further your E peen status on the internet.

          • Jaego

            Bravo. White Nationalism and Men’s Rights go together – just as Feminism and Marxism do. How can anyone not see that? It’s good that Women don’t make as much as men do – that means they’re at home having kids. Parity means the death of our Race.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Once again, who on here is a feminist?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Can’t you get that when you defend women as a whole (the sexual group) is a feminist act?

            I want to be kind to you, but this is not a garden party (at least in my view). We have to define ourselves and work on that definition. I suppose women here have a sort of weight on them as an obligation to be clear with themselves and us that they understand those definitions and “lines.”

          • Garrett Brown

            WHITE nationalism and MEN’S rights go together??? Did you seriously just type that? Explain how that makes any sense what so ever. MARXISM, started by a male, goes together with feminism, started by a female, explicitly FOR females? I agree with your statement that women need to stay home and increase the white population but everything else is fubar.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Exactly, Garrett, and I am still waiting for Jaego and Formerly known as whiteplight, to show me the courtesy of explaining to me where I ever disagreed that men and women are different, or that women should stay at home. I have no respect for posters who continuously put words in my mouth. They are on here causing problems, and when it goes on and on like this, it is time to delete their comments.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Once again, I have made the comments i have to you because you have more than once defended women as a whole. You DO sound a bit different now. I think it is that you never declared your defense of all women a mistake or ever wrote one word until now about NOT being a feminist or recognizing feminist influence in thought, etc. I am quite willing to see you differently.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            “You DO sound a bit different now. I think it is that you never declared your defense of all women a mistake or ever wrote one word until now about NOT being a feminist or recognizing feminist influence in though , etc. I am quite willing to see you differently”

            This is a fine example of what I am talking about. You have misread me all along, and here you are admitting to it. Here, once again, you are accusing me of being a feminist. You have done it over and over, and then recently you had the nerve to deny doing it.

            What I quote from your post above is more evidence that you enjoy putting words in my mouth. You are impossible to debate with and very immature.

            I would like for you to explain to me what you meant in your post above…the part I have quoted here. Are you saying I have been saying all along that men and women are equal until now? As I said before, something is seriously wrong with you.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Who’s being unreasonable? I try to defuse the situation and you increase.

            This is not a debate. I know what a debate is and this is not one. It is about definitions. You can’t have a debate if you can’t agree on definitions. ALL I have said is that several times in the past you have defended women as a whole. This appears to be inspired by feminism, even if you don’t realize it.

            There’s nothing wrong or immature about pointing that out. It seems more like you just can’t admit the error or that it was one.

            The stuff about Garrett and you was just me going to Garrett’s level when he supposed I needed a relationship with a woman. He started it, blame him.

            I’ve done pretty well in my 61 years for a guy with something seriously wrong with me.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Garrett, you are now playing attack dog. When white men are oppressed by Marxist influenced feminism, then they have to have their own association for asserting their rights – in any system. Many on Amren have pointed out that it is somehow not allowed to have a white rights organization. Since white males are the object of attack for Federal programs like Protected Groups, AA, EEO, it is logical that an organization for white males would be necessary. Amren has presented many articles over time on this very issue.

            I can’t believe that you need this to be explained to you. But your hormones must be raging right now, with Courtney encouraging you.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            “But your hormones must be raging right now, with Courtney encouraging you”

            Wow, you really stoop to a very low level with your comments. You sound like the insecure one here.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Courtney, this was to Garrett, paying him in kind for his initial personal attack of suggesting I needed a woman in my life, not knowing of course, that I am a long time happily married man. I explained that.

            If you’re looking for satisfaction for yourself however, go ahead. It doesn’t cost me anything.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            So you are a psychologist now? I don’t put much value in anything I read on posts unless it has a certain genuine, intellectual value. I have a pretty thick skin when it comes to criticism from any poster. I KNOW I have unpopular ideas. It is annoying when the initial reply is a personal attack. I just outdid Garrett at his own troll game.

            Have mint julep and enjoy the sunny weather.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            After years of you harrassing me, along with my friend JohnPM who doesn’t post on here now, I am finally playing your game back at you. For a while it was very hard to trust you or respect you. You were the first to call names, my friend. Have a nice day as well.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I don’t feel harassed, just dealing with another reactive poster. I would like to know what name i called you?

            What I see you doing is copying my tactic as just used in describing Garrett’s troll style. You are obvious to me here. What I think I remember from the past with you is that you argue in circles, never standing or admitting a fact and never admitting a fault. If that is an insult, then it is all yours. I have not written directly to you for a long time in a consequential manner because I already know that it is a waste of time. But I am glad to hear that the men think you are so nice and a qualified “Amren Babe.”

            My feeling as a result is that race realist white women should support, learn and smile and leave the discussion to the men. If you want a white realist women’s auxillary that is fine. That is more in line with the traditional ways that you claim to support. Arguing with men on these posts is a feminist occupation at its root.

            I feel that I am a winner if I “chase” away a poster that can only preach Christianity at every turn. I know that religion and its faults through and through. I find it hard to intellectually respect people who cannot see through a belief system that calls on people to be sheep, has the history it has and is so obviously full of contradictions, especially for white race realists, defeating us at every turn.

            Still, wishing you a nice day.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I was trying to understand you for a few minutes, but now that you have written this post, we are back at square one again.

            Read this post you just now wrote to me, after which I am responding now. You are indirectly calling me a feminist again after I have explained over and over that I am not one. This is why it is hard for me to respect you. As for what you write about how I have acted in the past, I am taking that all as a matter of your opinion of me, and I am shrugging it off at this point.

            You have a long history of labeling someone as something they are not, and then not taking the time to read our responses and defenses in regards to what you say. There are a couple of responses I wrote below that you still haven’t responded to.

            What name did you call me? You have called me a “feminist” over and over again in this discussion. Would you like me to go and copy and paste your posts so that I can show you?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I didn’t CALL you a feminist at all. How can I talk to someone that is doing exactly what you accuse me of? Do you just project yourself onto others and blame? I said that you ought to recognize that defending women as a group is a feminist inspired reaction, that needs to be recognized and purged – that is all. You seem to be committed to any and all sorts of verbal gyrations in order to avoid acknowledging any fact..

            I don’t respond to every reply because I think I cover what matters in the ones I do.

            Another woman said something about wanting to get hooked up with other women and I have written to her talking about how women’s auxiliaries used to exist in groups like The DAR, The Odd Fellows, Freemasons, etc., but also their historical pitfalls that must be avoided. Why don’t you scroll around and see what I am reading now since you seem to claim you’ve read ALL my past posts?

            You are locking yourself into unproductive interpreting habits all around. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have a women’s auxillary. In fact, in thinking about it, it’s the best place for you. That includes your supposing that you even know how to debate and support and respect white men. All you do is argue in circles and evade, that is not debating.

            “You have a long history of labeling,….. blah, blah, blah……

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            And on that note, I am letting you have the last word. I am finished. This is tiresome. I am amazed at the amount of older men on here who keep going back and forth arguing and “one-up-ing” females on here who are much younger than them. You aren’t trying to educate me or understand me. You just want to get the last word in. In some places you have done more than that, by writing posts five times as long as me, and writing two posts in a row in response to me. Most men I know would have walked away after the first two posts. I am sure you feel better now. Good day.

          • Garrett Brown

            No, but you implied she was a feminist countless times.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            In the posts where he was talking to concerned college student, it looked to me like he called me a feminist directly. But I agree with you, that most of the time it was indirect, which to me is even worse.

          • Garrett Brown

            What’s the point of posting on a site you obviously don’t like and don’t enjoy the people who participate in it? Doesn’t make much sense to me but oh well. I guess he will continue for however long he wants. He definitely has some maturing to do though, that’s for sure.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Back to defend Courtney again, eh? No, I said that she doesn’t realize that she is falling into feminist inspired attitude/outlook/tactics when she defended all women as a group. “Countless times?” Really….

            AND Courtney in a recent post to me today claimed that I had been harassing her for years. Not only is that a lie, but she could never grasp what I was saying I guess, so it’s something else to her. But AGAIN in using a highly charged Feminist attack word “HARASSMENT” she is invoking feminist domination tactics. I shouldn’t have to explain that “harassment” has been a term used to intimidate and punish men for decades now. Courtney doesn’t realize what she is doing and all along I have been trying to point it out to her. She sees that as name calling. She simply is not capable of admitting to an error and thinking she ought to fix it – if she wants to be a white race realist and actually support white men.

          • Garrett Brown

            Sure, I can defend whoever I want, especially when they’re being accused of ridiculous things.

            Yes, you have accused her of feminist actions many many times. You’re still harassing her, so please stop.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I am going to call you a name right now; you’re a feminist dressed up as a man. That is for joining in with using the feminist attack word, “harassment.”

            You and she are intellectual midgets.

          • Garrett Brown

            Of course you’re going to call names, you’re an extremely immature and pathetic person lol. The problem is I nor anyone else really cares what you think of people.

            “I don’t call anyone names” Now you’re even a liar. What a pathetic “man” you supposedly are. That poor poor “southern bell”(your left hand) you have, I feel sorry for her.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Sad to say, but I’ll say it now; Whites are doomed with people like you on board. You can’t see yourself in your own description. LOL,lol,lol,…etc. Good luck with this, let’s see how long you last around here. I’ve seen your type come and go for years.

          • Garrett Brown

            It doesn’t matter if I’m on board or not lol. The future of whites have nothing to do with you or I, no matter how much I (and how much you don’t) help.

            Are you upset by how much of a joke I find you? I’m sorry I’m laughing at you, are you upset by this? I’ve been here for about a year, I hope to be here much longer.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            BTW to add; I often spent lots of time on CNN and other MSM and engage in some pretty heady combats there on everything from white rights to gun control, religion – and sometimes feminism. Many on Amren like you seem to think you have a little chat/social club that is great as long as it all goes your way or migrate in from neo-nazi sites like Stormfront and go unchallenged.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            By the way Courtney, using the word “harassed” is not only dishonest, you ought to recognize that it is a very loaded term used for decades now as a tool for intimidating men and filing lawsuits against them. This was/is a favorite tactic of feminists and one of their well known anti-male buzz words and right out of the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory. Laws had to be made to qualify a sexual harassment lawsuit because it was the major source of frivolous lawsuits for so long.

            That has been my point and it is amazing that you just don’t get it. Now, you have done it in an even more evident fashion. My point to you and others has been that feminism is now become so generalized in America (the West really) that even people like you use it and don’t see it. But it’s affects are still there. That is why I have been suggesting that purging yourself of this sort of thought/reaction habit is fundamental to being a female in the white race realist movement. If this is what you pull out against a white man, you aren’t much of an improvement over a full out feminist. I realize that you have been a victim in that this was drilled into you by the overall culture of feminism, so I don’t blame you personally. But not seeing it, not admitting it, rather going to all these hysterics to avoid it is not helping yourself or the white race. Feminism must be purged from white culture/consciousness. I recommend you start by reading Tammy Bruce’s book, “The New Thought Police.”

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Making arguments and giving documentation and exhaustive explanations for my point of view is NOT harassment. You or John PM not being able to cope with this is due to your collective blindness and insistence on remained fixed in stances that are not only obsolete, but have and will always ultimately defeat whites. I think that you just have a self image of infallibility that will not allow for self-examination. This is the problem with many movements and any polarized set of ideas or ideals; they cannot evolve to allow survival because of their lack of self-knowledge (objective historical review) and self-knowledge. In your case, my pointing out the feminist influence that causes the reactive position of defending all women, creating an “us and them” polarization and is a danger to white survival was interpreted by you (and Garrett Brown) as “name calling,” and now “harassment.” Tactics right out of the playbook of the feminist movement and the Civil Rights use of critical theory in defeating whites. I take the time to write this and have posted so many times because it is so difficult to believe that anyone who really cares about these issues would be so blind, with their egos so at stake at every turn.

          • Garrett Brown

            You haven’t outdone me in anything son, you never will.

          • It seems like this moderator read this very same argument/pie fight last weekend with the Daisy vs Morris LeChat “love” fest.

          • Garrett Brown

            He has heard the oh so positive comments of your appearance and wants you Courtney, it’s the Kindergarten “bully her so she’ll like me” technique!

          • Garrett Brown

            Haha yes, Courtney really has me going! I’m barking and howling at the moon!

            I agree exactly with everything you just said in your first paragraph, but it had nothing to do with Jaego’s response or mine to him.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Yes, I think I am interfering with Garrett’s online courtship of Courtney.

            Studies have shown over and over that women don’t make as much as men because they aren’t as good of negotiators. It has nothing to do with male oppression of women, but they want it to be so that legislation might be made that forces raises for them. This comes from gaining advances due to legislation, not personal work and merit. White men on the other hand, have had to hone those very skills during the past 40+ years or fail altogether.

            I guess I would like these women to sound more supportive of men rather than defend women as a whole. When women do this, it is impossible not to see the feminist influence or link. Courtney has done this and cannot seem to admit it. Daisy and a few others that have come and gone have done it as well. It may be that women who want to be seen as true supporters, make such declarations rather than duck and weave and defend their egos. It would save time and confusion.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I guess you are ignoring the many times I have defended white men on here. And I have a boyfriend, and Garrett said he has a girlfriend. Please continue to make a fool of yourself by acting like you don’t care about our responses when your responses are always 5 times the length of ours’. And also, please continue to write myth vs. fact about other posters.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I am glad to hear that you have a boyfriend. I have a wife. Garrett has someone. But it is he who began this personal attacking on this level and I just played it back to him. You get what you give. I am trying to change my understanding about you, but you seem to want to be the one calling names.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            “you seem to be the one calling names”

            After months and months of you pushing me over the edge, I am simply reacting to it. You are being polite now, and hopefully we can carry on like that. But you have a history of writing long posts insulting people and then disappearing. It is hard to respect someone like that.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            You see it differently from me. I don’t insult people, I challenge, often bluntly, their preconceived ideas that I am convinced hurt whites in the long run. What I have seen is personal attacks on me for that, I usually try to reply back with more explanation because I care about the subject more, not who can win the trolling game.

            It just looks like you are looking for reasons to make another assiduous attack by claiming that I insult people and then disappear. I see that issue far differently. I used to go toe to toe with everyone. I have been posting here since Katrina and Amren has survived it. I sometimes also get compliments on my posts. Did you miss those? But I am busier now and I also know that putting the idea out there no matter how much I am criticized for it has its own value as most people don’t like hearing things contrary to their ideas, but if I put it across clearly enough – and I really try to do that – any reasoning mind has to notice it despite the repulsion towards me personally. I’ve seen many, many people come and go over the years. Some hang on, posting here and there. I think I notice phases of posters; the initial rabid posting and then a slow down and eventual exit. Many posters burn in and burn out. I do think that anyone who posts everyday, copiously day after day, month after month, year after year, is someone that any psychologist has some sort of obsessive neurosis disorder. Maybe we’re all in the same company there? But I have made myself take “vacations” from it. That is very different in character from how you frame it.

            There used to be a fairly well introduced group of posters and we knew who we were from our posts. We could disagree and we did so respectfully. Since Amren went Disqis there has been a flood of newbies with all sorts of agendas and bringing with them the sort of troll lingo and style that Garrett uses. The only thing that is frustrating to me is all the time wasted on definitions. As I wrote, I know what a debate is, I was a debate champ in school as well as a first place winning forensic speaker. You can’t have a debate if you don’t have definitions clear or a communication style of a troll. Telling someone they need to find a relationship with a woman is NOT a debate point. So yes, I paid back in kind.

            I am trying to remain somewhat engaged because I do care about the already very bleak future for whites. It’s going to take a great deal of work and moving out of comfort zones (like religious assumptions) to have any chance of succeeding. I think you and I had a fruitless go around over Christianity. My views are quite radical to the people who imagine white realism is a return to the comforts of a now mythologized past. Everyone seems to think they have a mission in a movement and that is mine as I see it. The worst thing you could say about me, I suppose is that I am a self appointed watch dog. But the fact is that people who never hear “NO” are famous for getting it wrong and going too far in the wrong direction, to their loss.

            This is the most reply posting I have done in quite a while. I don’t have a lot of hope for the future of whites due to the nature of the posts I read for years on Amren, but I can’t stop trying. However, I will probably “disappear” again for a while after this round. I have a stack of issues right now that I am neglecting. But I really don’t want to hurt you or personally insult you. I’d rather keep it on the level of ideas, if you can handle that and be clear about what yours are.

          • GeneticsareDestiny

            I don’t think the men in the race realism movement are chauvinist. I am also not a feminist. I think you’re preaching to the choir a bit here. I don’t think any of us have any intention of bothering white racially conscious men.

            Women simply like to talk to other women who share their ideals and values. It’s a natural, human female instinct. If you’re a sex realist, you should know that.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            I am a realist before anything else. I know that women like to gossip and scheme. I also know that men are social creatures, too. It is the formation of sexual cliques that I think I am wary of here. I’ve rarely seen any good come of that.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            “Sex realist,” hmmmm,… that could mean anything, depending upon your orientation or claims as to what sex realism might be, propped up by studies of black widows or preying mantis’s, etc., (wry joke intended).

            But I want to add to my previous post. I do know that women’s axillary groups groups exist and have existed at least since the 19th century in our culture as in The Daughters of the Revolution (DAR) with the Sons of Liberty being the male section of the club. The Odd Fellows have the Rebecca’s and the Masons have the Eastern Star. Yet, somehow the Women’s Suffragette Movement (to feminism) came out of that. The infamous Women’s Temperance Movement came from that as well. Next, we had Prohibition and this opened the way to organized crime which then increased the culture of crime, organized prostitution, and of course, the rise of heroin addiction. The historical line can be drawn right up to today’s rampant drug abuse problems in youth with even more vicious gangs in control now and a near all out war in Mexico, producing waves of illegal immigration.

            As much work as it is, it is important to understand the pitfalls of history. I think that they can be avoided, but only if we know our history and are prepared to learn from it and act as we have learned.

      • I would actually love to hear opinions and personal reasons on why women(or even men) might be hesitant to show up. Money? Location? Safety and Anonymity from the anti-White hordes? Perception of attendees?

        • Nathanwartooth

          There are many theories. The most current one to me is that women (on average) don’t like to hold unfashionable opinions.

          Of course this is most likely genetic in origin like so much else. Women who went against societal norms were most likely banished or couldn’t find a mate. Fitting in was important for survival.

          I bet you would find that men dominate any fringe group.

          Now that I think about it, if you are trying to explain what race realism is, it would be a good tactic to make it sound mainstream.

          For example: “Oh, you have never heard of race differences? Have you been living under a rock?”.

          The funny thing about race is that there is an active force trying to hide it. But it’s not a conspiracy. It can’t be a conspiracy when people are open about hiding it. For example news outlets are proud of the fact that they don’t report on race unless it is “important” to the story. The show COPS is also proud that it shows more Whites just so Blacks wont get stereotyped.

          • GeneticsareDestiny

            I agree. Women, in my experience, are much more conformist than men. They have a much deeper fear of being exiled from their in-group, which probably results from the fact that they’re less capable of providing for themselves than exiled men. This would go doubly or triply if they have children.

            Once we can get the reality of racial differences out into the open, and get discussion of it to be a mainstream topic, the sex imbalance among racial realists should correct itself.

        • The Ice Queen

          I can give you one practical reason women don’t show up; they don’t like to travel alone for safety reasons. Women dread ending up in a no-go zone alone. Maybe that sounds paranoid, but any woman reading AmRen is going to have a realistic view of crime, and aware that no-go zones seem to be spreading like weeds. Not all women worry about these things, but being female and privy to conversations of women, I know that many women do. Throw in the Antifa crowd, and women will just stay home. Basically, women don’t like danger.

          • I certainly understand the anxiety that comes from ending up in a no-go zone or even just the thought of ending up there, especially a woman traveling alone.

            What about a carpool type of arrangement, where ladies(or whomever) in a certain radius can travel together? It would help a little with travel expenses and it would solve the Point A to Point B and back traveling. Those that have to fly alone could have a designated “travel coordinator” to make sure everything goes smoothly and safely for them once their flight touches down. Maybe even have a designated security detail that anyone can quickly call upon if they have any safety needs, concerns or questions. Do you think something along those lines can be used to find a workable solution?

          • The Ice Queen

            I think carpooling is a great idea. The AmRen staff did ask if anyone was interested in a carpool from the airport to email their flight information to them. I came in early, about noon on Friday, so I ended up driving by myself. I’ve rented a car for the past two conferences, so I know my way around, well, at least to the conference center. Still, I wouldn’t mind carpooling next time. When the next conference is announced we’ll have to bring up the topic again.

          • concernedcollegekid

            Definitely – I’d never go to something like an amren conference alone, even if I could afford it. I’d be terrified. I might have someone to go with in the future though.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Is it time to find a like minded man just as an escort?

          • Garrett Brown

            We should organize an Amren security squad to transport these wonderful ladies! Haha.

    • jackryanvb

      Very nice to finally meet the charming “Ms” Courtney from Alabama.

      The South really is a beautiful place where even “Ms” is an introduction to a beautiful Southern lady. Back here in Chicago “Ms” is an introduction to an argument with a bitter, no fun feminist/spinster 🙂

      • Alyson Miller

        til I saw the check which had said $4611, I accept mother in law was like they say actually receiving money parttime on their computer.. there sisters neighbour haz done this 4 less than six months and at present cleared the debts on their cottage and purchased a great new Infiniti. we looked here,

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Oh, goody; more spam from Alyson Miller! Do you vomit on other people’s dinners as well, Alyson?

        • TeutonicKnight67


      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Thanks Jack! It was great meeting you!

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        When it was first introduced as the preferred title for a liberated women, I immediately recognized and often said, “Ms for miserable.” There can be no compromise with feminism. Feminism might be so generalized now that female country singers call themselves a “Ms” but it carries with it the finalizing separations between men and women that maintains an adversarial position. In 2013, it is not perhaps remembered that Feminism in the 70, and 80s first proclaimed the uselessness of men in general, but then as fathers, necessary to raise well balanced children and then white men, declaring white men the most evil thing in the world and that no white woman should marry or bear the children of white men. So decades later, when Obama was elected in 2008, we saw the white “Obama Girls” pledging to only have babies sired by black men. (I think this happened in Tennessee, too. What is going on there?)

        Last week I wrote to one of the now regular female posters, Daisy ,I think – about how Pliny related the Teutonic women during the first Roman invasions of “Germania.” When the men, fighting bitterly against the onslaught of the relentless Roman advance in order began to wane, the women raised their own swords and rushed towards their men, inciting them with apparent “mock” threats and harsh encouragement to fight on. When it became clear that they were going to lose the battle and be conquered, the women killed their children and then themselves, rather than be captured and enslaved. Now that is tribal identification and unity of the sexes!

        I related another example regarding at least some of the Gauls, who used to send their elite males to be taught the way of the Gallic warrior from female masters, who apparently never actually fought, but taught the young men how to fight as a martial art. They also were their first lovers. It seems that the belief was that it lent cohesion to the tribe and taught the young men wisdom as well as adding an emotional element to their training that served to bind everyone culturally.

        There is a huge difference between the way women and men cooperated up until “civilization” advanced to the point where there was so much luxury that selfishness drove them apart. I don’t think there is any future for whites that includes the feminist model as we know it and women who cannot purge themselves of its infectious poison.

    • SoCal LoCal

      Ten percent female attendance is troubling. Women tend to cowardice, so we have yet to make holding race realist views safe in their minds. I am not at all sure what might be done to right this. Perhaps Matt Heimbach’s tactic of aggressively protecting women from danger will strike a chord.

      Without more women in our ranks we can count on stories of put upon women being added to those of other oppressed minorities in MSM hit pieces aimed at us; and given America’s tradition of putting women and children first, that may doom us.

      • robinbishop34

        I comment on counter-currents dot com and Greg Johnson chases me away like an old man scooting kids off his lawn. There needs to be a major shift in the reflexive responses to women who are sympathetic to white nationalism.

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          I think this sums it up along with Nathanwartooth’s assessment. Nathanwartooth summarizing why women, by nature , shouldn’t be expected to be interested in these things. And the only way women can be interested is if more white men show an interest.

          Your assessment summarizes the problem when the small number of women who come onto these fringe websites to be supportive, are only driven away by hostile comments from white men.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            The only way that happens is that the women who show up are holding, brandishing feminism and smart, conscious and informed white men know that feminism hates them and is the major contributing factor behind most of the oppression they suffer. It seems that women who think they can be feminists and white race realists are the ones being unrealistic and are driven away because they are committed in a larger sense to feminist ideas. and cannot stand having them challenged. I am always trying to explain why it is necessary for women to purge feminism from their identity. We all have to move out of our comfort zones some. I have for example, lost many friends, including family relationships because of my views. Psychological comfort is the enemy of revolution and we are involved in a kind of revolution.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            I’d say it is more of a two way street.

          • TeutonicKnight67

            You are right to be offended by such a statement. The thought of it should repulse you as a White Nationalist.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            Thanks for the supportive comment. But I would also like to support Celestial Time down below. Formerly_known_as_whiteplight is a very bitter poster on here. He sees feminism when it isn’t there in all our posts. I am getting tired of it.

          • You sound bitter and jilted. You should work on that and get it fixed.

          • TeutonicKnight67

            Bitter and jilted? Is it possible that White Nationalist women are so blind that they can’t see they’ve been brainwashed by decades of feminist indoctrination? I saw nothing bitter in that statement, only in your response.

          • Yes, bitter and jilted.

            What feminists are you talking about? The militant feminist types are usually the ones protesting pro-White gatherings, not attending them.

          • TeutonicKnight67

            I didn’t mean to imply that WN women on this site or anywhere are “feminists”. I simply meant that IMO most women in general have absorbed through years of cultural feminism a sort of unconscious hostility toward white men or at the very least a form of overly defensive hypersensitivity. It’s similar to the way Bantus see “racism” in every aspect of society. Many women seem to always be on guard for some gender offense or perceived belittlement of them. I don’t think they even realize it half the time. It’s reflexive.

        • SoCal LoCal

          Right-on! Call those old fools out for what they are.

        • “Greg Johnson chases me away”

          He’s like a rooster protecting the rooster house.

          • robinbishop34

            I enjoy his articles (I really like Matt Parrot) and his podcasts but he was so hostile to me that I quit visiting the site.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        If less than 1% of white men are showing up at these events, then how is it constructive to always be criticizing white women for not coming in larger numbers? I agree with Nathanwartooth’s assessment above.

        What do the men in this movement want? I am confused. Half of the time you want us to be feminine and submissive. The other half of the time you want us to be something we are not by showing up at these events in equal numbers to men. Is that really what you want?

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          All this talk makes me think that there are a large number of single women that need to find race conscious white men. I don’t think too many of the men are single. (Although I could be wrong). There would be no need for women to group up and travel together is they had a male friend/escort – HUSBAND.

          But it makes me wonder what is going on if the first thing that happens is that women want to group up with only other women and attend as a group of women. It seems to portray these women as perceiving themselves already at odds with the men there. Or is it being viewed as a social event that might lead to dates and more? I’m asking honestly.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            You have a history of making unfair and negative assumptions about particular posters on here in your posts. And then when we respond to defend ourselves you disappear and don’t read it. Are you going to read my response this time?

            I don’t think any of the women there were single. Maybe just one or two. Why do you assume that? Most of the older women were there with their husbands. Some were there without their husbands. Those of us who were much younger were there with or without our boyfriends.

            On the contrary, I always meet tons of single men at these conferences. Plus there seems to be a lot of single men on this website who blame most white women for why they are still single.

            To answer your question, we show up at these things in order to be supportive. Thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt with your assumption there.

          • Why on earth would a woman possibly joining up with another woman or group of women make you believe that there is something wrong with her or that situation? Do you believe a woman has ulterior motives if she happens to go to the bathroom with another woman?

            If a woman feels a little bit better by having other females to relate to and talk to, then that’s supposed to be a good thing. I can honestly say that I haven’t seen too many of the man-haters infesting the pro-White. It would be nice to be able to say that I don’t see many guys with the woman bashing syndrome, but that’s just not true.

        • SoCal LoCal

          That was no critique of white women. I just pointed out the general pattern.

          My diagnosis put the blame on men, and tentatively offered a remedy (the Heimbach maneuver). Such is needed or the MSM will have yet another arrow in their quiver.

          As for other men in the movement, I cannot speak to their actions. Though I suppose that until the younger (post boomer) generations become a force there will be a glut of old farts, of the sort who plague the GOP.

      • Just Say No To Mixing

        I’ll take up the gauntlet here, be the heavy and write the tasteless
        words no one wants to read. I am a devoted WN female, in a
        long-standing marriage to a White man. We are natural parents to 3
        White children that deserve a secure future among their own people.
        Additionally I have had the financial means to attend almost every Amren
        conference. Many times I have considered doing so, and waited with
        interest to see who the list of speakers would be.

        It has been
        the choice of speakers that has turned me against attendance and this
        may be so for other White women as well. For example, in previous years
        that “Fred” character from “Fred on Everything” has spoken. He hates
        White women and has stated he prefers hispanics. He has a Mexican wife
        and I believe Mexican children. How is such a presenter any credit to a
        pro-White conference and why would any White woman want to come hear
        him speak? He is just a bedroom-Benedict Arnold who is guilty of the
        miscegenation that will result in our extinction.

        Similarly this
        affection for the “Derb” is quite misplaced. He has an Asian wife with
        HAPA spawn. He is just another racial turncoat, his writings on black
        crime etc don’t tell us what we don’t know already. Isn’t this
        lionizing of him a bit bizarre? How is a white man with an Asian wife a
        legitimate speaker at a conference that is supposed to be pro-White
        when he is a practitioner of bedroom genocide toward Whites? It comes
        off like a bad joke.

        Finally when the opposition views us and
        sees that traitors such as these are our supposed mouthpieces we as
        Whites come off looking pathetic, weak and desperate. Anti-whites look
        at us and think, “Geez, white men with non-White partners to represent
        White interests is the best pro-Whites can do? What a bunch of
        sad-sacks. Their spokespeople pretend to talk the talk but sure don’t
        walk the walk. They probably just couldn’t do better because they are
        nobodies.” Hence the pro-White movement comes off as ineffectual and a

        We can only be taken as legitimate and serious
        with White leaders and speakers who represent us not only in their
        public discourse but in their personal lives and associations. Until a
        conference comes up that offers such respectable White presenters that
        have White marriages White women may continue to stay away in droves
        even though there are many of pro-White women out here.

        Just bein’ honest.

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

          I am glad that you wrote this. I have never attended a conference because I am so far away, but also because so far what I felt I understood makes what you write here no surprise to me. It causes me to have a conflict with the entire issue – “movement” as it is today and represented. But it is all so full of contradictions and problems.

          “Walking the talk” is the real test. I bet not many white women are ready to recognize that Christianity is bad for whites. Sloughing off the contradiction of that white race destroying religion as a prerequisite is obvious to me and the white race realists I know in person, but it is not shared widely. But I have seen that as my primary mission posting here on Amren for seven years now.

          There is no and will be no real “white movement” as long as it is being led by sellouts and hypocrites – and people who practice a religion that calls on them to be sheep. But it must also be led by people who understand real White/European culture, not simply the assertion of white identity as a set of political attitudes concocted from actually mythologized conservative reactionaryism. (If that can be a word).

          • TeutonicKnight67

            I have to disagree with you about our religion. Christianity has been a vital and integral part of European civilization for two millennia. It has inspired great works of art, exploration and colonization and most importantly, served as a cultural backbone in our ceaseless conflict with the swarthy middle-eastern bedouins and their death-cult.
            Of course there have been inter-neicine conflicts in the name of “religion” but those are due to the folly of men not some defect in the faith. What is needed is a return to the Faith of our fathers, not the current, mamby-pamby children of the rainbow, hippie marxist socialism cult that is rotting our culture.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            You are simply and flatly wrong. Christianity claims ownership of these things, but all the progress made in Europe was made IN SPITE OF Christianity. In the 2-7 century even numbers were considered satanic. The world was flat, the populace made illiterate and the people made to support the Church. It required a rebellion, more than one really, and brave individuals defying the Church to bring about the Renaissance and then the Age of Reason. The only remarkable thing is how tenacious it has been in inserting itself so thouroughly into everything it cannot destroy. Christianity fought human progress every inch of the way and still does where it can. Christianity invaded, conquered and tortured Europe and to date has killed more whites than any other religion in the world. You don’t know the history of Christianity or its origin or its real works in Europe. Read Edward Gibbon’s “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.” Then read up on the witch trials, the Inquisitions and the human oppression that has hallmarked Christianity through the centuries and led to the very thing you say you abhor. Christianity defies logic and the rational mind.

            Christianity was the first example of the public practice of communist collectivism (from the 2nd century) and Jesus even promoted it by taking “a few” loaves and fishes and doling them out to many more, etc. The Church took the riches of the wealthy converts and redistributed it to the poor converts which caused huge conversion waves. This prevaled until monasticism took over and the Church began to be a parasite, supporting itself on the forced donations of the populace. The Diggers were a Christian cult in England in the 17th century and practiced collective communism at their religious commune. Certainly, St. Francis was a communist in principle. The Marxism you complain about is supported by Christianity and a far majority of Marxists are also Christians, not face painting hippies.

            Christianity usurped European culture and put its facade on it. The art and literature and technology would have been all the more brilliant if it had not come and squashed it when it did. Gibbon and all history of the period show clearly that it was Christianity that brought Europe into the Dark Ages, but it was a return, a rebirth of the ancient knowledge and philosophies that made Europe prosperous once again. As for the New World explorations, the Church maintained that the world was flat until denying it was not to its advantage any longer. King Phillip and Queen Isabella was an independent thinkers with their own power. But the man who financed the journey of Columbus was the Queen’s banker – a Jew.

            I am all for returning to the faith of our fathers – the real faith. Not one that calls on men to be sheep and obey or be damned, either. The one that was robbed from us by a Middle Eastern cult turned cancerous. You probably are anti-Jewish but as a Christian, worship a Jew and an outlook imported from outside Europe. Christianity has always harmed white Europeans and it is harming us now and will harm and prevent us from surviving because it is loaded with all the reason why we cannot be race conscious or fight for our selves as a people.

            Here is what the Norseman says;

            The Viking Prayer

            “Lo! Do I there see my father! Lo! Do I there see my mother! Lo! Do I there see my brothers and my sisters.

            Lo! Do I there see my line, back to the beginning.

            They beckon me to Vahalla, where the brave may live forever!”

            Just as valid as your belief and far more appropriate for the white race, that is fighting for its right to exist. Moreover, Christianity robs us of our relationship to our land and our ancestors. “For my sake, Son will rise up against father and daughter against mother,…etc.? And Europe was racked by religious civil wars for centuries on top all the rest of the murder of whites in the name of the Christian god. Children brainwashed from childhood and tormented with fear. Christianity runs on fear; fear of death, fear of eternal punishment. Read Dante’s “inferno” to get a picture of how literally the Church made Hell for European whites in the 13th century. I refuse this ideological imbecility and its horrible god!

            You and people like you are living a lie. The days of Christian delusion is over. Wake up, white man!

        • OsRazor

          Nicely said and thank God someone actually said it. I’m not sure what the hell Amren is thinking having Derbyshire and some person named Fred with a propensity for Mexican women as speakers this and past years. At best people like these two are schizoid, and at worst they’re opportunistic hypocrites. I haven’t read anything from “Fred” (but he sounds appalling), so let’s focus on Derbyshire.and the other guy who took the “best speaker award” at this year’s conference, RamzPaul. Derbyshire defends himself by arguing (i) those who oppose race mixing are “barking mad”, (ii) his choice was just a matter of personal peculiarity, an “eccentricity” we dull Americans simply cannot understand, and (iii) after all, really, love is love and so be it. If you want to read a “barking mad” argument of convoluted logic, inconsistency and plain dishonesty you really should read his reply to Jared Taylor’s defense of race purists linked above in this article. It reminds of the TV skit featuring a blind black man who thinks he’s a KKK member.

          One of the more glaring examples from the article above is Derbyshire’s insistence that his half white, half asian offspring are fine, notwithstanding a torrent of evidence Taylor presented saying such mixed children suffer much higher rates of physical and especially mental maladies. Derbyshire points to the genetically half white, half asian Uyghurs and their Muslim insurgency in China to defend his offspring. I’m not sure why he had to reach out all the way to the Mongolian steppes. We have millions of half white, half asian people in our midst, the mestizos of Mexico. He’s simply added two more to the mix. Well done Derb. And you might want to quiet your immigration restrictionist rhetoric aimed at those mestizos. Your children are much closer to them genetically than to any relatives you might have in the UK.

          And the bad taste (again, to be generous to Derbyshire) of claiming to be really enamored of all of the attractive white women at the Amren conference with his Asian wife at his side!

          Similarly, the RamzPaul character tore down the roof at the conference (apparently) with his trendy and cool humor of irony, which boils down to little more than exposing liberal hypocrisy. This character seems to have a special ax to grind against White women, claiming most are gold-digging feminist baddies. There must be a personal history of a divorce, and he may have a legitimate claim against the ex, but instead of putting this personal history and taint out in the open, he simply smears and splatters all White women as unworthy and predatory. Like Derb, too, he likes to rub his fetish for asian women in our faces.

          White men have a lot to answer for, but probably our greatest failure has been our readiness to engage in “bedroom genocide,” as you so well put it. Other races of men will eagerly debauch the women of other races, but they won’t be so nearly willing to nurture and love those unions while at the same time abandoning entirely their racial ancestry. It’s a real depravity of body and spirit. I’m glad I’m not a White women today.

          • CourtneyfromAlabama

            As I explained under the article about RamZPaul, I didn’t have a problem with his talk per se, but I just didn’t care for the comments/questions it attracted afterwards.

          • Just Say No To Mixing

            Actually I think your post nails it even better than mine as far as denouncing the hypocrisy of those race-mixing speakers at these conventions. Now that I have been informed as to what Ramzpaul is all about I am doubly glad I saved my money.

            If these conferences are to be of any practical value towards the preservation of Whites the organizers really ought to examine their motivations and what they hope to accomplish in signing on these speakers. They need to ask “what is our message, who are we trying to reach, who would be best at getting these points across”. Otherwise the conference is just a supper club at best or at worst a “White” roast in the tacky tradition of those celebrity roasts of the 70s where the purpose was to lampoon the host.

            And Formerly Known As White Plight brings up good points about Christianity as well. I would go a bit farther on that and note that the Left has hijacked the church to such an extent that the parishioners in my area at least seem to be convinced that they cannot be good Christians unless they embrace race-mixing and other anti-White lifestyle choices like interracial adoption. You see these White grandparents at the churches with their mulatto grand-kids or White parents that decided it would be more Christian to adopt cast-off Chinese girls and forgo having White children of their own. They have this holier-than-thou attitude like they’ve morally one-upped other so-called Christians because they recognize that we are all God’s children and “see beyond color”. Their brand of spiritual salvation could be the death of us if all Whites were fool enough to adopt similar ideology. Yeah, for real the church is messed up in a myriad of ways.

        • SoCal LoCal

          Kudos for your reply! I view things likewise.

      • Its natural for women to not go. Going means social ostrication, which is much more important for women than it is for men. Women are not naturally politically inclined, especially to the level of supporting “fringe” ideologies. Their nature is to leave these questions to the men.

  • wattylersrevolt

    Well, he has finally apologized…apology accepted. OK, everyone and go out and buy his exceptional book on the Riemman Hypothesis…you will read about the Longest Increasing Subsequence Problem..very important for bioinformatics…and the zany adelic world of Alain Connes…buying his book will help the Derb Family. But no more nonsense about how wonderfull chinese immigration was in the 70s. Thousands of Native Born White American Families whose Male breadwinner was an engineer were massacred…even low levels of asian immigration are extemely lethal? Charlie Wang came in the 1950s..he has transformed SUNY Stony Brook into a demographic shrine to Mainland China.

    The Chinese Exclusion Act should never have been repealed. And now I can tell you from first hand experience that the asians now have invaded the bucilic Shennandoah Valley..from Fort Royal down to James Madison..and right down to a well known Civil War Battlefield where the VMI cadets routed a German immigrant General..a well known 48ter…and his German speaking copatriots who would exclaim “ve are mit Fritz”…interestingly this German General went on to become a very famous jurist responsible for war crime legislation..first of its kind ever…that should have by now resulted in Rapist and War Criminal Bill Clinton…husband of the fat ankled Lesbian Hilary Rodham Clnton…and the Kenyan Foriegner…who occupies the White House…for his criminal drone war which he launches with enormous glee on the civilian population of several muslim nations…being sent to the Hague.

    • wattylersrevolt

      For John Derbyshire

      Visit the New Market Civil War Battlefield in the Shenandoah Valley. This is where the German 48ters were routed. A future US President serving in the Union Army…I think it was Grover Cleveland…delivered hot coffee to the frontline Union Troops..and was nearly killed on several occasions doing it. These days, the Town of New Market is disfigured from m-13 gang graffiti…all of New Market has ben infested with Salvadoran Gang Bangers. M-13 Gang Bangers have been running wild up and down the Shenandoah Vallery for over a decade. This is what you call a foreign invasion. A few miles north of the New Market Battlefield..right before Denny’s…there is extensive Pakistani Muslim colonization of the area.

      To deal with the trauma of what you have just seen, I recommend eating at Mrs. Rowes Country Restaurant in Staunton…down the road from the Skyline exit…birthplace of Woodrow Wilson… were you can enjoy your meal..and excellent pies…among normal Southern Native Born White Amerian Families..waitresses Southern Grandmas. Mrs. Rowes’ son..a Southern Gentleman of Italian ancestry…owns and runs the restaurant.

    • Svigor

      Wow, that makes two commenters to this thread whose comments were labelled “Whiskey” yesterday, and have today changed to other names. Disqus was indeed having serious problems.

      • The Ice Queen

        You accused me of being Whiskey, and I’m not. Disqus is haunted. If I were going to change my moniker it wouldn’t be Whiskey anyway. Maybe a Reisling.

  • Anon

    Treat these people as amusing and worthy of your contempt….but never forget they are dangerous. And consider this…..who have they victimized as they acted on the sentiments they are expressing?

    Murdering psychopaths are funny when they are impotent. Not so funny when they are not.

    I highly recommend doing anything and everything necessary to make sure they stay impotent.

    For example….holding conferences where the local police might look the other way if these “protestors” turned violent…..not a good idea. Hiring adequate security at such events? Very good idea.

    Don’t ever turn your back on these people.

    And don’t forget what these same type of people did in the soviet union when they took over. They WANT to do that here. But they can’t. Not yet anyway.

    • StillModerated

      Next year I’ll bring a bullhorn and pour on the taunting. I want to see one of these oafs do something really stupid. So did a couple of the troopers. They get 30 days off with pay, so for them it’s a win-win. And as for me, I expect to be either imprisoned or killed by my evil government for what I believe in; do they?

      • blight14

        I too wanted an ‘exchange’ with the unwashed vermin…..granted, that’s probably just what they wanted…….then they’d have ‘proof’ that we’re evil and violent….I did encounter one of them leaving the park Sunday-he’s in some of the group pictures, swarthy, dark hair, facial hair, sunglasses, etc….he was attempting to hitch a ride…..we exchanged verbal ‘pleasantries’ as I drove off…..

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          blight, I just wanted to say thank you for all your kind comments about me after the conference!

          • blight14

            Ma’am, you are more than welcome, it was very nice to meet you at AmRen………’friend’ me on Facebook if you want…..see you all next year if Jared decides to hold a conference….B

  • fakeemail

    “Most people are incapable of holding an unfashionable opinion.” That reminds of: “There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist: the fashionable non-conformist.” – Ayn Rand

    • Svigor

      Tell us what Rand had to say about “racism.”

      Her ability to reason cogently was expressed perfectly in that essay, IMO. Hint: that isn’t a compliment.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        Being comfortable with selfishness seems to be all she was about. The rest was about being comfortable with ideas that weren’t necessarily congruent with “free thinking” that she seemed to espouse. She was Jewish and some of that culture comes through in her. Part of her was old school.

        • Svigor

          Her Jewish roots came through loud and clear in the aforementioned essay (“On Racism,” IIRC). Anti-rural sentiment is a consistent Jewish tell; she dragged it into the subject, when it didn’t belong. That was the first essay of hers I’d ever read, and as I was already a racist, I was immunized; I knew better than to bother with anything else she had to say.

          She also seemed to use 1,000 words to say something when 100 would do. How someone can use that many words in what is meant to be persuasive writing without using a single shred of logic is still a mystery to me. And I don’t mean that in the simply dismissive sense; I’m being literal – she used no logic at all. It was purely ad hominem arguments, straw man fallacies, assertions, etc.

        • She was a hypocrite, condemning racism as “the lowest form of collectivism” in one instance and then saying the Arabs and Native Americans are “savages” in another.

          • fakeemail

            No. She basically believed it was “low” to hatefully and unfairly discriminate against an INDIVIDUAL for being a certain color or creed. But she understood that peoples & cultures were different and held Western civilization as objectively better than all others. But yes, race wasn’t her central deal and she did have some blind spots in terms of the social fabrics that are necessary for proper western civ.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      One thing I noticed about Ayn’s “fashionable non-conformists” as an undergrad at UC Santa Cruz 25 years ago in addition to thinking in lockstep, they also dressed pretty much the same way.

  • StillModerated

    Get a dongle. That has a nice ring to it! Thanks to their free publicity, we might double the attendance next year.

    I signed up because Roger McGrath was a guest speaker, and we vaguely know each other from John Randolph Club conferences — which only corral 100 attendees. All of the speakers were excellent, and best of all, I got to visit Broadway in Nashville. Awesome!

  • CJ Haze

    Meeting Mr. Derbyshire and his lovely wife was well worth the trip. To be honest, he is a huge reason I attended and stayed an extra night.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    I just came up with a video idea to promote Amren:

    I think we should do an Amren version video of the Dos Equis commercials
    that feature Jared Taylor sitting in the middle of a fancy restaurant
    table with some of the young attractive women in the movement sitting
    around him. I would volunteer to be in that commercial hands down! After
    all, Jared Taylor speaks fluent French and Japanese, faced a bunch of
    angry blacks on the Queen Latifa show, has been to Africa and back, has
    faced liberal mobs, …why he is the most interesting man in the

  • generalquagmyer

    I’m waiting for the day that having attractive white women appear at AMREN conferences and on sites like Stop Home Invasions / Family Protection will be considered a form of illegal baiting of black males.

  • robinbishop34

    I notice that he mentions P.J. O’Roarke. He was a writer/publisher for National Lampoon magazine and one of my first influences. When I was a teenager my older (12 years older) sister’s boyfriend would let me stay at his condo on weekends that he went out of town. He had stacks of Nat. Lampoon magazines and I would devour them cover to cover. I think reading O’Roarke is what began to form the realist wrinkle in my brain.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Wasn’t PJ O’Roarke also a frequent contributor to Rolling Stone Magazine for a long time? He shows that the radicals of the 60s were more free-thinking than leftists are now. Some of them became conservative as they grew older and learned more (Ted Nugent most famously). Also, many of them were NOT opposed to gun ownership. In the spring of 68, hippies in the Haight-Ashbury district were considering buying guns when the race riots were going on and threatened the neighborhood. That is what made many of them run off to the country side and become – “back to the landers” which was very similar and predates the current “Prepper” phenomena – complete with guns. I have books on the subject with a copy of a photo of the staff of the main alternative radio station in the SF region then. They are all obviously hippies, but in the photo are two mean looking dogs and three individuals brandishing firearms, while a girl in the center holds a mace. Several of the guys wear cowboy hats. Local band “Quicksilver Messenger Service” made a famous album called “Happy Trails” that sports drawings/photographs of the members shooting Winchesters and wearing cowboy hats. Just thought some might find this interesting.

  • Funruffian

    I think I plan to attend next year’s Conference.

  • storibund

    Ah. I sense critical [white] mass approaching…

    • Svigor

      I don’t know if I agree, but I do know that once critical mass does grow near, things will begin to move very, very rapidly. Too rapidly for the regime to keep up.

  • Anna Tree

    I think a dating service is a good idea!

  • bigone4u

    The Derb is one of my favorites over at Taki’s Magazine web site. Actually, all of them over there are favorites. Let me add that Derb’s interest in Civil War history is sad in a way since so few of our youth are interested in the subject. Ages ago, in high school we had a club devoted to learning everything we could about our Confederate heroes and Yankee villains. If Obama had thought of it, he would have sequestered those parks honoring the battles.

    • robinbishop34

      I love Takimag. One of their regular contributors, Gavin McInnes, is a regular on RedEye.

  • mda6886

    Yes there were some lovely ladies at the conference! Of course there was the lovely Courtney, but I remember last year there was a beautiful blond woman with her that wasn’t there this year. I think it might have been her mother. I was disappointed she couldn’t make it. It was good to see Kristi again too. She is so lovely and is such a sweetheart! I also had the pleasure of talking briefly with a strikingly beautiful blond named Denise. She had a voluptuous figure and the most beautiful porcelain skin. She reminded me a little of Grace Kelly, or a painting of a beautiful European woman from centuries gone by.

    • Denise

      Wow…I am so flattered. You made my day mda6886!


  • Michael_C_Scott

    One thing struck me about the article: “You would never see such a thing in China – a monument to those who fought on the losing side.”

    Outside Nanjing, China, there’s a monument to KMT (Nationalist) soldiers killed in action. It was a bit run-down, and the grounds overgrown, but as of 1987, the communists hadn’t demolished it.

    • TeutonicKnight67

      Probably because of the Rape of Nanking massacre. They are still honored because they were slaughtered by the Japanese.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        I don’t know when it was built. There were tiles on the wall, one glazed blue and white tile for each soldier, with his name on it.

  • I am an idiot from Russia. Teach me please, how does the shape of genitals benefit politics in the USA, according CourtneyfromAlabama?

    • Michael_C_Scott

      There are quite a few reasons, actually. “Sexism” is one of the “isms” that has to disappear from the vocabulary of our critics on the left once women become more involved. One should never pass up an opportunity to de-legitimize the opposition. Since women are not wired quite like men, their somewhat different perspectives are useful; for instance, I wish Margaret still posted here. At least we have Bon; she writes well and she’s hilarious; especially the pictures she posts.

      Women also vote, which means engaging them politically has a major potential payoff. I haven’t seen many of Courtney’s posts here at all recently; this could be because she has been doing other things, or because her avatar is new, or because I haven’t been paying attention, but she’s proof that it is possible to be intelligent, conservative, politically-involved, and still ladylike; she may appeal to women otherwise like her who are uninvolved.

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        Thank you for the support, Michael. I don’t understand the other guy’s question, I guess, so I won’t bother.

  • jake

    I can’t help to speculate that these protesters were hired. Anyways, I hope AmRen posts video of the conference for people who could not make it.

  • Conrad

    “Those signs were very crude, by the way: rough patches of cardboard
    scrawled on with Sharpies. This was the best they could do? For pity’s
    sake, someone give them George Soros’s phone number.”

    Hey, Don’t give Soros any ideas.

  • JohnEngelman

    O’Rourke’s law in action. Some years ago P.J. O’Rourke was attending some rally on behalf of the homeless in Washington, D.C. Noticing the straggly hair, coke-bottle glasses, poor complexions, ill-fitting clothes, and globular silhouettes of the gyno-Americans present, he hypothesized that the movement would go nowhere much because rising causes attract pretty women.

    If that is right, American Renaissance has a bright future. There were a surprising number of attractive young women in attendance.

    – John Derbyshire, VDARE, April 9, 2013

    I would have seen more at an anti-war rally during the War in Vietnam, hundreds more.

    American Renaissance is swimming against the tide. Americans under the age of thirty are more likely to favor socialism than capitalism.

    They are more likely to favor stricter gun control laws that those over thirty. They are more likely to favor the legalization of marijuana, and gay marriage.

    Interracial marriage stopped being an issue in this country years ago.

    American Renaissance should stay away from advancing dead issues, or dangerous issues like secession. It should emphasize fact based arguments asserting the scientific validity of race realism. Such arguments would acknowledge that Orientals and the Ashkenazim have higher average IQs than white Gentiles, and that they do so for biological reasons.

    • Svigor

      Episcopalians have higher IQs than either the Ashkenazim or the yellows.

      • JohnEngelman

        Episcopalians have a higher mean IQ than either the Ashkenazim or the yellows.

        – Svigor

        Can you document that. I have read that Episcopalians have a slightly higher percentage of college graduates than Jews. If it also true that we have a higher average IQ, the difference is very small.

    • …long walk, short pier

    • Pat

      Your comments on the under 30s are unfortunately true, the same is happening here in the U.K. The brainwashing and propagandising of this generation has been total. It would be interesting to know if one day they may ‘wake up’ or whether their children will be the ones that ‘rebel’.

      • JohnEngelman

        In the United States and the UK individuals have access to an enormous number of facts and a great variety of opinions. Those who disagree with you have not been “brainwashed.” They have had different experiences in life. In some cases they know things you do not know.

        • Pat

          I have two children in their late 30s. They have been raised in the school system here and in their media contact (BBC in particular) with a very strong left/liberal bias. ‘I know a lot of things that they do not’ would be nearer the mark. I know the recent past AND the present. They have been brainwashed, I can see and hear it every day.

          There used to be a saying here ‘I do not agree with what you are saying but I will defend to the death your right to say it’ – this no long applies, you toe the party line. They do not think, they are closed minds. It is not their fault. Basically they were taught the new ideology to the exclusion of all else. They regard me and their father as beyond the pale. If they ever do realise the extent of their indoctrination it will come as quite a shock. My husband and I do not live in the past – we fully realise that each generation must find its own way but what is happening now is dangerous, this country is changing (at speed) beyond recognition and it is not in an improved way.

          ‘Americans under the age of 30 are more likely to favour socialism than capitalism’ – that is a massive change for you in just one generation. I have my views on how things like this happen. We will have to agree to differ.

          • JohnEngelman

            Propaganda is only effective when it tells people what they want to believe, or what they know to be true in their lives. Communist propaganda in Eastern Europe was ineffective because Communism was imposed and maintained by a foreign army.

            Communist propaganda was effective in Vietnam because Communism emerged as the result of an anti colonialist struggle. The foreign armies were French and American.

            I would need to talk to you and your children to find out where you disagree, and to decide who is not thinking, and who has closed minds.

            The reason for the growing popularity of socialism in the United States is because the rich keep getting richer, but the standard of living for most Americans is declining. With a brief respite during the administration of Bill Clinton, average incomes have stagnated since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980, while the rich have become much richer while paying lower taxes. It is becoming increasingly difficult to describe capitalism as a win win situation.

            Margaret Thatcher famously said of capitalism, “There is no alternative.” Nevertheless, there is an alternative to the way things are run in the United States. It is Social Democracy. It works well in Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Those countries have responded better than the U.S. to the Great Recession.

          • Pat

            Propaganda in its various forms is very effective on a young mind that does not know what it wants to believe, a nice blank slate. Wasn’t it the Jesuits who said that (in regard to Catholicism) if they had a child before it was five they had it for life. I am a lapsed catholic but if I did return to active religion it would be straight back to Rome.

            My children would sooner slit their throats than log on to a site like this, so as it stands they are not up for an alternative view at the moment.

            Interesting point on Social Democracy. I do have relatives in Australia though and things are not that rosy even there from what they say.

          • JohnEngelman

            Adolf Hitler was raised as a Roman Catholic. Joseph Stalin was raised as a Russian Orthodox. We know how badly that turned out.

            Where specifically do you disagree with your children? What facts do they refuse to acknowledge? What do they believe that is not true?

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Stalin was not only orthodox, he was actually a seminary student in his youth.

          • TeutonicKnight67

            Are you suggesting that Christianity leads to genocide?

          • Pat

            I see you have read the latest brilliant article at the top of AmRen – ‘Unruly Europe’. Your quote, ‘the evil that is growing in front of their eyes’, this just about answers your last paragraph. Problem is the younger generation do not see the future, they are young they live for the here and now.

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  • Brady

    NR did AR a big favor by firing this guy.

  • ““You would never see such a thing in China—a monument to those who fought on the losing side.”

    John Derbyshire’s ambition to become a Civil War buff has a long way to go. He still labors under the misconception the North won. I recommend he get ahold of REDNECK NATION: HOW THE SOUTH REALLY WON THE WAR by Texan Michael Graham.

  • Paleoconn

    Any pictures of the babes, Derb?