Poll: Hillary Crushes Rubio Among Florida Hispanics

Talking Points Memo, March 21, 2013

Many Republicans no doubt hope that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) will help the party make inroads among Hispanic voters and turn Florida red in 2016 after losing in the quadrennial battleground in the last two presidential elections. A poll released Thursday suggested that Hillary Clinton could easily offset both of those purported advantages if the two were to square off in 2016.

Fifty-two percent of Sunshine State voters said they would prefer Clinton in such a matchup while 41 percent gave the nod to Rubio, according to the latest poll from Quinnipiac University. And the former secretary of state draws a big boost from Hispanic voters in the state, crushing Rubio among the key voting bloc 57 percent to 35 percent. {snip}

While it’s important to emphasize that the next presidential race is still a long way off, it’s also notable that Rubio’s performance among Florida Hispanics in Thursday’s poll was quite similar to how Mitt Romney fared among the same group of voters against President Obama last year. According to exit polls, 60 percent of Florida Hispanics voted for Obama while just 39 percent voted for Romney.

Another poll from Quinnipiac released earlier this month showed Clinton with a massive lead over Rubio among Hispanic voters nationwide.

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  • Puggg

    Hillary Clinton also beats Jeb Bush in Florida by a very similar margin among all Florida voters. As in Florida, as in the state where Jeb Bush was a two term Governor.

  • StillModerated

    Maybe this will teach Republicans not to pursue the Spanglish vote, but they will keep pretending that making the same mistake will someday be the right thing to do. Well done, GOP! Keep driving away the old White male voter.

    • “Maybe”? They’ve been trying this same old crap for over 20 years, and the same old results. They’ll try it after they lose again at midterms, and they’ll try it again in 2016, and in 2020.

      • liberalsuck

        i don’t know what it will take for the conservative talking heads and some of my neocon friends to wake up. I really don’t at this point.

        • Johnny Clay

          The best thing a conservative candidate can do, I think, is just say what he thinks and not pander to any group. If it alienates a possible constituent group, so be it.

    • The__Bobster

      Most Hispanics hate Cubans….or didn’t that occur to the Stupid Party?

      • Philboyd Studge

        See Philboyd Studge’s comment. Do you agree?

  • Hell, even I’ll vote for Hillary over any minority the GOP throws my way.
    If you do not flat out tell me that you want my white vote, republicans, then I will not give it to you.

    • Millie_Woods

      That’s pretty much how I feel D.B. except I’d sooner stay home than vote Hillary. If a politician is afraid to say he supports me then I’m afraid I won’t support him. If democrats and republicans can openly court black, Hispanic and female voters then I want a politician who will publicly court my vote. The only way this will happen is if the conservative wing of the Republican Party displaces the McCain and Christie bloc. Otherwise we may as well plan on spending a long time in the political wilderness.

  • bigone4u

    Hispanics look for that D next to the name of the candidate, even when the candidate has a white name versus an R with an Hispanic name. It’s going to be fun watching the Republican pursuit of the Hispanic vote backfire big time.

    • SargeInCharge

      Hispanics and blacks view Republican Hispanics and Republican blacks as de facto white men because they represent the white party in minorities eyes. No matter how much Republicans court the minority vote, they will always be the white man’s party that must be defeated to most minorities.

      • Paleoconn

        Exactly, they view them as Uncle Toms or the mexican equivalent. They will always vote for the critter who fills their extended hand with more goodies.

  • haroldcrews

    The Republicans don’t want our votes. If they did they would have asked for them.

    • Room101

      The GOP has already publicly apologized to the Democrat party and the media and promises to rectify the fact that so many “racists” with their “white-privilege” tended to vote GOP.
      The GOP wants to use Government to fix White people once and for all every bit as much as their colleagues in the Democrat party.

      • Grim Jim

        It’s a war against white America and these rats need to be wiped out of office in 2014. Vote American Freedom Party or you are voting for suicide.

        • liberalsuck

          When are we going to stop ‘waiting for elections’? Are you going to ‘wait for the next election’ are blacks and mexican gangbangers are terrorizing you, but you won’t physically resist because ‘it’s illegal’? Are you going to “wait for the next election” as muslims start seceding off portions for themselves only? I’m not a violent person, but when the threat is right in your face and when it’s very clear the politicians will not speak up for you, what are you going to do? Think about the whites in South Africa.

          • MikeofAges

            Interesting, what Lincoln said at Gettysburg. His argument was that the fate of self government and rule of law everywhere depended on the fate of the union.

            “Today we are engaged in a great civil war in order to test whether that nation (the United States of America) or any nation so conceived and dedicated can long endure.”

            Give up America piece by piece and you lose the universal principle it is based piece by piece as well, to be replaced by a new world order very different from what the “one world” types of today imagine.

            Maybe it’s time for a “Lincoln revisited” moment. Was it really a better idea to hold the union together rather than maintain a Euro-American ethnostate in the North and West. U.S. forces could have contained the Confederacy and let the institution of slavery die a long, sad death. Better too, it would be, if the black American was less preoccupied with the idea that changes in his circumstances would come about through apocalyptic events.

      • Bobby

        That is why, “wised up” white people must beat the GOP to it, and eliminate them as a political party. Simple as that. Why always complicate these matters?

      • vladdy1

        Did they really? I hadn’t heard that. Although I wouldn’t be surprised to hear them say they realize they haven’t done enough “outreach” (read: pandering) to “people of other races and women.”

    • liberalsuck

      they take our votes for granted. What would they do if millions upon millions of white republican voters confronted them at townhall meetings and conventions and flooded the RNC headquarters with calls threatening that if they don’t speak up for white people, we will stop supporting them and stop voting for them. Blacks and other groups get what they want because they unite and because they make noise. As the old saying goes, ‘The squeaky wheel gets the greasing.”

      • Johnny Clay

        Liberals and their constituent groups would vote for Charles Manson if he was their nominee, but conservatives splinter and allow them to win by default.

  • The__Bobster

    Reconquista Marquito Rubio is a wolf in sheep’s clothing:


    Rubio hires powerful Democratic lawyer to help write immigration bill
    Daily Caller ‎- 3 hours ago

    The lawyer, Enrique Gonzalez, is a partner at the nation’s largest immigration firm.
    However, when I clicked, the headline had changed to
    Rubio hires immigration lawyer who imports workers for companies, By Neil Munro, March 21, 2013

    Presumably as a result of an update. Neil Munro, who’s been doing good work on immigration, writes:

    Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio’s top lawyer in the closed-door effort to draft a new immigration bill is a Democratic donor who earns his living by bringing foreign workers into the country on behalf of corporations and universities.

    The lawyer, Enrique Gonzalez, is a partner at the nation’s largest immigration firm whose future depends on the outcome of Gonzalez’s closed-door work.

    Rubio hired Gonzalez in January, when he was a partner at the Coral Gables, Fla., office of Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy.

  • The__Bobster

    It’s quite obvious who is promoting Reconquista Marquito Rubio:

    Rubio Starts Courting Treason Lobby’s Funders Early
    By Henry McCulloch on February 27, 2013 at 4:34pm

    “United States” Senator Marco Rubio (R., Cuba) knows who calls the shots in today’s Republican Party (and about most everything else in America), and—with visions of moving into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., in January 2017 dancing in his head—Rubio is moving swiftly to court post-America’s power-brokers, beginning with the Wall Street contingent. As Politico reports, Rubio is looking to add Stephen Schwarzman and Henry Kravis, among other Wall Street high-rollers, to his high-finance fan club—which already includes that paladin of “conservatism,” sodo-matrimony proponent Paul Singer.[Marco Rubio courts Wall Street, By: Ben White and Maggie Haberman, Politico, February 27, 2013]

  • Stentorian_Commentator

    Maybe Jeff Sessions with Jan Brewer might overcome Hillary, but probably not in Florida. They would have to rely on white people turning out in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan. I’m certainly not voting for bleepin’ Rand Paul.
    I can just imagine one response to this poll. “But wait, you did not poll Hillary v. either Jeb Bush or his son, Whore-hay Pay Boosh” I’m sure they’d do much better. Riiiiight.

  • IKantunderstand

    If, this poll was done scientifically, and I don’t know that, what really strikes me is Hispanics chose Ms. Clinton. Hello! GOP! Do you get that? It doesn’t matter what person of color you put up as the standard bearer of GOP values. People of color, from 100% failed countries, who were too stupid to effect any political change in their native countries, are going to pursue the same leftist ideals that they supported back home, that ruined their countries, and motivated them to invade ours, and thus ruin our country. What? You think they get a brain once they cross our borders? Did Blacks? The physical territory of the U.S., is not “magic land”. Despite the beliefs of many of the savages being allowed into the United (for now) States, the only “magical quality” the current U.S. possesses has been “conjured” by hard working, law abiding, resourceful WHITE PEOPLE, you know, the people previously known as Americans.

    • bigone4u

      Great post. You describe the problem so well I wish that YOU were invited to speak at CPAC.

  • Djangotamer

    It wouldn’t be the first thing Shrillary crushed in her/his vice grip. Just ask Bill!

  • philboyd studge

    Hispanics are not a monolith. They are divided by skin shade (lighter is better; the darker hate the lighter), country of origin, and language dialects. Do you think a Mexican mestizo will automatically vote for a light-skinned Cuban named Rubio because they are “hispanic”? Not at all guaranteed. Americans are largely unaware of racial realities. If the Republicans chase “hispanics” they will taste bitter fruit.

    • Johnny Clay

      You are correct. The Hispanic culture, if you will, is based on a caste system, wherein those with the most European blood rise to the top of the ladder, while those majority Indian blood are relegated to the bottom with no hope of ever climbing it. Ever notice that most illegal aliens from south of the border are swarthy and less European-looking?

  • a multiracial individual

    All non-whites will vote D, no matter what.
    Whites are split between D and R.
    Remember that, you can only secure more white votes by reaching out to whites who are currently D.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      There’s even a perfect platform the Republicans could take that would greatly appeal to Democrat whites.

      Immigration restriction.

      Restricting immigration will drive up wages and will help the lagging power of unions, both of which are Democrat-friendly ideas. All they have to do is market it as a “pro-poor people” idea, since poor Americans are the ones most hurt by immigration.

      But of course, that would be wayycist, so Repubs are going to double-down on attempting to woo the Hispanic voter with more handouts (which they can never beat the Dems at anyway).

  • JohnEngelman

    Quinnipiac University National Poll March 7, 2013

    Hillary Clinton would defeat three potential Republican presidential candidates if the 2016 presidential election were held today, with New Jersey Gov. Christopher Christie second in a field of three Democrats and three Republicans selected by Quinnipiac University for a national poll released today…

    “Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would start a 2016 presidential campaign with enormous advantages,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute…

    “The Republican brand is not doing very well these days,” said Brown.

  • bubo

    Florida has been inundated with Mex and points south as well as Puerto Ricans. All of which vote D no matter what. Even half the trusty Cuban vote are now young libtards who self identify the nonsense race “Hispanic” instead of white.

    • Bobby

      You are 100 percent accurate. The old Cubans, used to vote almost 100 conservative, but heh, I suppose if I were Cuban, and saw all of the goodies that the Mexicans and Puerto Ricans collect, I’d vote DEMOC-RAT TOO. The general rule, in the Democrat Party newlyt balkanized U.S., is, vote for your groups selfihs best interests. And the rule is being faithfully followed by every group, except STUPID AND CLUELESS WHITES.

  • trickbag

    Quiet. Dont let the cat out of the bag. The homo media and all other lib pervs have been giving advice 24/7 to the gullible GOP Bushie sheeple and had them sold on this snake oil … they also fell for the slavery trick 500 yrs ago … they are so gullible …

  • Dave4088

    To the GOP brain trust (for lack of a better term) this just means they need to pander more, harder and longer to Latinos and might need to offer six figure checks to each border jumper in addition to amnesty. I’m sure they’ll get creative with their pandering.

    • BonusGift

      This may largely be why the Republicans have earned the name “the stupid party”. I guess the more accurate name would be the insanely stupid party.

  • Aldric Mayson

    Rubio is not a natural born citizen and he is therefore ineligible. So are Jindal, Cruz, and the incumbent. Need two US citizen parents at time of birth. Rubio had none.

    • anmpr1

      I don’t think so. It turns on the meaning of “natural born.” Rubio was born in the US and, as such, is a citizen by birth. That is, he has the right of citizenship by the very fact of his birth.

      In any case, after the precedent of Obama, pretty much anything goes. And to even cite the Constitution in today’s political climate is quite anachronistic. Soon we will have a candidate whose parents are a lesbian couple (probably members of the military) spawned through artificial insemination. There would be nothing “natural” about that, but by your definition it would be eligible to be POTUS?

      The point is, however, that neither party represents traditional White folk, so to get excited over Rubio, Jindal, or the next Glenn Beck inspired Great Black Hope is rather a waste of time.

      • Aldric Mayson

        Interestingly reasoned. No. Verbal chicanery is the realm of the liberal progressive Socialist. We have no need to lie or to obfuscate. Let us be specific with our words so that we shine light where others seek to hide meaning with theirs.

        Natural born isn’t subject to interpretation, certainly not based on how natural may now refer to method of birth, which is nothing to do with how the word was defined when we were founded. I assure you that George Washington never contemplated a three-parent test tube baby. Native born is the type of citizen you describe though, and that is not the same thing as natural born. Native born = anchorbaby. Yes, that is a citizen, sadly. This citizen may never be President though. That’s the facts. Learn them so you recite accurate facts to our people.

        • anmpr1

          The meaning is vague as it is not precisely defined in the document.. Most appear to cite Vattel’s treatise, “Laws of Nature” as the origin of the founder’s idea. Citizenship through natural law traditionally flows through the father; that is, the son inherits the father’s allegiance. Here, citizenship is only partially tied to the land, although this is an important practical consideration.. But my point remains, which is that any appeal to the Constitution at this late stage of the political game is naive, as the Constitution was effectively rendered null from at least the time of Lincoln. Does anyone, anywhere, think that Rubio would be disqualified from running by SCOTUS? Of course not, as that would be racist…

          • Aldric Mayson

            I disagree that the meaning is vague. Just as it is natural that the spawn of two dogs is a dog, that the spawn of two cats is a cat, so also the spawn of two American citizens is a natural born citizen. It’s only because time has passed, the usage has fallen off that they are able to get away with this now. It wouldn’t have passed the laugh test among literate peers of the day. Agree with everything else you said though.

            If native born and natural born have identical meanings then why were both phrases used, rather than just one of the other in the Constitution? Why state that citizens could serve in Congress but that the President had to be a natural born citizen if the intention was not to provide a more stringent requirement for this highest office? Just something to consider.

          • anmpr1

            You are correct–the meaning is clear if one goes to the source. One could blame the lack of a sound education system in obfuscating meaning. But our educational system no longer has much use for traditional views represented by the men who wrote the Constitution, but is now simply a tool for deconstruction.

  • ron

    The RNC will do anything to keep wages ultra low so the rich can max out profits.

  • MikeofAges

    Hispanics love her. The American Evita.

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    Marco Rubio is Cuban. Mexicans will not vote for him because they don’t see him as “one of them”. And since the strong majority of Hispanics are Mexicans, that means running Marco Rubio will bring the Republicans nothing, while further alienating the white base.

  • hopeless

    The GOP should lead the effort to make Puerto Rico the 51st state. That will attract hispanic votes. Plus hispanics are natural conservatives with strong family values.

  • Epiminondas

    Don’t worry. The GOP has a plan. Even while desperate to get white voters to come out and vote for them, they are going to insult white Southern males. What could possibly go wrong with this plan?

    • IstvanIN

      Nothing, nothing at all, seems sensible to me. But then I am not a “political scientist”.

  • vladdy1

    . Maybe FL Hispanics need to be told that Hill has a muslim brotherhood girlfriend, and that muslims kills catholics (often by burning their churches while they’re in them having services)-Damn the day T. Kennedy started that stupid immigration bill in 65. . Now we’ve changed from an intelligent and brave country to an idiocracy full of disconnected citizens who can’t speak the language and think bribery and corruption are a part of doing business. (Well….)

    First thing I do every morning is pray for this country. I guess God can’t save the country when it doesn’t exist anymore.

    • ATBOTL

      I hope your joking. Hispanics practice voodoo Catholicism. They could’t care less about what happens in Muslim countries. Hispanics tend to be totally uninformed and apathetic about world events.

      You comments, if serious, illustrate a tendency of conservative whites to imagine greater affinity between themselves and nonwhites on various issues that actually exists.