More Black Men in College than in Prison

Jamelle Bouie, American Prospect, February 28, 2013

At this point, it’s almost a cliché to declare “There are more black men in jail than in college.” {snip} When he was just a presidential candidate, then-Senator Barack Obama told the NAACP that “We have more work to do when more young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America.”

It’s a great soundbite. But it isn’t true. As Howard University professor Ivory Toldson shows in a story for The Root, the original report on black male college enrollment—the Justice Policy Institute’s “Cellblocks or Classrooms,” first published in 2001—is far out of date. “If we replicated JPI’s analysis,” writes Toldson, “we would find a 108.5 percent jump in black male college enrollment from 2001 to 2011. The raw numbers show that enrollment of black males increased from 693,044 in 2001 to 1,445,194 in 2011.”

By contrast, of the estimated 2 million inmates held in state or federal prison—or local jails—841,000 are African American men. To be fair, those numbers are from 2009. Toldson provides a more direct comparison using data from the National Center for Education Statistics, the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey and the Department of Justice’s statistics on prison enrollment:


In 2009, the DOJ’s most recent year for data on prison populations, there were more than 150 percent more black males in college than incarcerated. {snip}


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  • The__Bobster

    Even so, given their low IQ’s, they don’t belong in college.

    • 5n4k33y35

      They love to cling to their manta rays, even while they chant their aggrieved ‘mantra’.

      • Bret

        The scourge of institutional racism is alive and well in this country,
        and is far more harmful than what this man is alleged to have done.
        Usually, when this is pointed out, it unfortunately falls on deaf ears.
        I teach in a school district that is 99% African-American, and have
        really seen first-hand the effects of institutional racism, especially
        in the penal system. White people, myself included, have the benefit of
        the system working for us, so much to the point we do not even realize
        (or refuse to acknowledge it). The war on drugs is basically legal
        oppression. If I get caught with drugs, I have a medical problem. If a
        young black male gets caught with drugs, he has a legal and lifelong
        problem. He can not vote, he cannot get a loan for a house, he cannot
        get federal student loans, and lets be honest: who is going to hire
        that black man. I have read that 70% of the drug users in this country
        are white, yet 80% of the prison system for drug offenses is black and
        brown people. Those numbers do not add up, and show the bias in the

        • Leon

          Amen! It is so refreshing to see a White person who is not in denial and speaks so honest about racism and racial disparities.

  • Oil Can Harry

    Forget about black college students; I was impressed to learn there was an all-black high school where all the students graduated.

    • edie

      if graduating is mandatory, where learning and attendance is not, then the sky is the limit.

    • R P

      make me laugh ……….. but we all know it ain’t happening if the numbers aren’t fraudulent.

  • This only means one thing: Its too easy to get into college.

    • They get into college but they don’t graduate. They get in and fail their classes.

      • bigone4u

        There is enormous pressure on profs to give minorities passing grades. Since profs tend to be lefties they are happy to do so in many instances.

        • Intrepid

          Minorities (read: blacks). I doubt it applies to all minorities.

          • bigone4u

            Several Texas university presidents are Hispanic. I worked for one. They push the downtrodden minority theme and how the state MUST have more Mexican college grads. Don’t know about other minorities in other areas.

      • potato78

        Affirmative Action!

      • sbuffalonative

        Told this story many time but I’ll tell it again for new readers.

        When I was in college, on the first day of class, blacks would show up to get the syllabus and then you wouldn’t see them unless there was a scheduled test.

        On the last day of class, blacks would hang back while everyone left and then line up at the teachers desk to, I’m assuming, give the teacher all the reasons why they shouldn’t fail.

        • bigone4u

          Profs put the syllabus online these days. The blacks don’t even need to show up for that first day. When I was a prof the only time I was ever offered sex for a grade was from a black female student. I played dumb and so never had to outright reject her offer.

          • Richard

            Sounds skeptical.

      • Cato

        They get in, they get a big student loan, they don’t have to work, they can chase skirts all day. Of course, it will end, but the ride is great while it lasts.

    • Puggg

      And it’s too hard to get into prison for black men. We all know there SHOULD be more black men in prison than in college.

    • Ed_NY

      It also means more wasted tax dollars from White taxpayers.

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  • libertarian 1234

    “The raw numbers show that enrollment of black males increased from 693,044 in 2001 to 1,445,194 in 2011.”

    And the thing they’re most proud of is that a full .2% could pass a high school GED test if it were administered at the completion of their studies.

    • edie

      shouldn’t that be .02%

    • Michael Mason

      Could you please cite the source for that ‘0.2%’ factoid?

    • saxonsun

      Black males are still rare in college; I teach on the college level in NY and I’m “lucky” if I see one a year.

  • edie

    do they count the ones in prison that take college courses?

    or perhaps the headline should be:
    More black men in prison take college courses

    • StillModerated

      You’ve hit the nail on the head! Coongratulations!

  • So CAL Snowman

    What percentage actually graduate? Of those that actually do LEGITIMATELY graduate, what percentage graduate with a degree in black studies or some other soft Liberal Arts degree?

    • Jefferson

      My cousin’s Black friend has a useless liberal arts degree. It only took him 8 years to get it, lol.

      • brengunn

        What type of job would one get with a degree in ‘black studies’?

        • Felix_M

          Professional community activist.

          • eonic

            The next Obama ?

        • R P

          “Down Lowing”

        • rightrightright

          Teaching “black studies”.

        • StillModerated

          Security guard, prison warden, sewage plant worker, but I’m speaking from experience.

          • brengunn

            You’ve got a degree in black studies?

            You’re half joking, I know, but there is a point there about working class jobs being needlessly focused on higher education when it doesn’t really help at all. We need more on the job training, leave University to the academics.

          • Daisy

            I just signed a lease to move into an apt. with a woman finishing her PhD even though her own job prospects in this economy are abysmal. Teaching classes of a largely working class/minority demographic, she’s sobered from the progressive notion that everyone should go to college, as opposed to trade school, etc., and concluded that academia needs a major overhaul. It was the highlight of my day; some former leftists are actually waking up.

          • brengunn

            Another egalitarian principle that does more harm than good. Kids should be sorted according to their abilities with the academic going to Uni, other’s going to Community Colleges, others learning a trade and others going straight to work from school.

            I feel that the loss of skills in the working classes has been part of their disenfranchisement. All the jobs gone to China, so everyone has to worship education.

            She told you on first meeting? Very trusting of her.

          • Daisy

            I’d asked where she taught and why it was at a different school than where she’s studying which is small and “disorganized” enough that doctoral candidates have to pound the pavement to find their teaching positions elsewhere. Her perspective likely changed while teaching at a school I doubt offers almost any PhD programs. She’d also identified me as familiar with both PhD’s and interestingly enough, feminism, as her thesis engages a ‘women’s studies’ angle although it’s in theology (which I majored in briefly), and perhaps felt she could confide in me. People on here too often pigeonhole and ghettoize some groups too easily; not all white women with pro-woman sensibilities are beyond redemption or re-education when it comes to realism about race.

            I’d assumed the jobs were going to China because labor is just cheaper..

          • brengunn

            More comments disappearing into the ether, anyway, I’ll try again.

            People on here too often pigeonhole and ghettoize some groups too
            easily; not all white women with pro-woman sensibilities are beyond
            redemption or re-education when it comes to realism about race.

            There aren’t too many, though. And many who might have certain intuitions about race may keep them to themselves for fear of exile from their liberal peer group. As we said, it’s lonely holding seeming contradictory political beliefs. There are few men on here that support feminism, if any, and that’s because they tend towards the reactionary in all their beliefs, not just race. Liberals tend to be the opposite.

            I’d assumed the jobs were going to China because labor is just cheaper..

            In part, yes. But look at Germany, they have managed to buck the trend of the West with a strong export economy and have thrived while the rest have hurt. There are many explanations for this, but one of them is a highly skilled blue collar work force making high spec products better than than East can produce them. There is no stigma attached to manual labour and production jobs, they value these skills, unlike the UK and especially the US where unless you have a college degree, you’re less than zero. Education is clearly very important to a healthy economy but the education for all mantra and the Western idea of a service economy go hand in hand, hand in hand to the debtors jail. Meanwhile, the countries that grow make physical things and have a large working class or they exploit natural resources. In the absence of natural resources, we should get back to building things.

        • Affirmative action enforcement bureaucrat for a government or major corporation.

        • Tom Iron

          maybe assistant night manager of a 24/7 wendys???

        • HamletsGhost

          Black studies professor

          • gemjunior

            affirmative action swindler, double-crosser, extortionist.

        • Marcus

          Actually, there are several things one can do with a degree.


          Public Relations

          Diversity Training

          Museum Work


          Elementary Education

          Secondary Education


          Public speaking

          International Affairs

          Urban Planning




          I have a Bachelor’s degree in African American studies and it has afforded me the opportunity to utlilize my degree in several of these areas and has afforded me a comfortable lifestyle.

          • Katherine McChesney

            ‘… it has afforded me the opportunity to utlilize my degree in several of these area…’

            You’re being vague. Do you hop from job to job?

            You’re hiding something from us.

          • Joseph

            This is another of a series of academic degrees which would never stand in any free economy. You could never open up a “black-studies company” or “public administration company” and make enough to pay for lunch. They depend solely on government enforced makework bureaucracies which the public would never choose to support if not forced to pay with dollars earned by producing valuable good and services which people do freely choose.

        • Katherine McChesney

          black studies? probably the most useless and easiest degree to get.

      • R P

        never capitalize that word. got it.

        • Ken P.

          If Jefferson’s cousin’s friend had just emerged from a coal mine, then it might be appropriate to call him “black” (lower case). But from the context, it is clear that the word is used as a racial description, which is a proper noun and should be capitalized. Only if one believes that race is only a matter of skin color should one hold that *black* and *white* should be lower case when referring to race.

          On a related matter, “never” and “got” actually should be capitalized, and the second sentence should have a question mark.

          • R P

            You should go away, Mister Literate a–wipe. Grading my use of English?

            Just get done protesting Wall Street? …..

            On second thought bi-ch, stick around. I am going to embarrass you like the third grade reject you are.

      • MikeofAges

        Irony, man. What made the liberal arts degree so useless was the civil rights precedents of the early 1970. If not for these, potential employers would not need to apply such closely drawn criteria in hiring for simple entry level jobs.

      • schmenz

        In defense of the lowly Liberal Arts degree, in days of yore a good Liberal Arts education was intended to make people, simply, think. And to continue passing from one generation to the next a great cultural heritage. A few colleges still try to accomplish this.

  • Some Guy

    Languish: Verb

    (of a person or other living
    thing) Lose or lack vitality; grow weak.

    Fail to make progress or be

    Let’s completely ignore what they did to be sent to prison and just focus on getting them out and getting them a job and/or a degree. I always wonder how many (black) people Obama will pardon on the why out in 2016.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Mumia would be one of my guesses.

  • Uh-Oh

    The numbers would be entirely different if only the law enforcement, legal, and judicial systems could only keep up with black crime.

  • Luca

    There are too many athletic scholarships and too many early release programs.

    Furthermore, most black prisoners are able to get released from prison before black scholars are able finish their 9-year Liberal Arts degree.

    • Michael Mason

      Yes, my conclusion to this data is that too many colleges have started caring more about winning basketball games and track meets than giving the true future leaders of the country a challenging and rigorous education.

  • blindsticks

    So what’s the math for the dumbing down figures? Things always look bettter on paper.

  • 48224

    As traditional colleges continue to drop standards and “for profit” colleges who will accept anyone who can qualify for financial aid continue to increase….watch for more and more Africans to “go to college”. And watch for college rapes to increase at the same exact rate.

  • Sloppo

    I wonder how the number of black men in the US that has spent time in jail would compare to the number that has graduated from a college. I believe that would be a more significant figure.

    • R P

      We would all be laughing right now if that number ever came out.

  • GB101

    Obama said “in prison” but I believe the real stat is that there are more black men in prison, on parole and on probation than in college.

  • Nathanwartooth

    I always thought the great liberal quote was “There are more Black men in prison than there were slaves”.

    • But I hear black folks citing the “millions and millions” of blacks who crossed the atlantic as slaves

      • Sherman_McCoy

        They also neglect to mention that the slaves were sold to us by other blacks.

        • yeah i always wonder about that, when you think of the drug trade, it’s the sellers who are viewed as the evil ones, right?

          • Sherman_McCoy

            The buying and selling of slaves was a legal (though thoroughly shortsighted) practice in the antebellum South; about as shortsighted as the continuing importation of cheap labor into Western civilizations in modern times, with likely similar results.

            Drug sellers are certainly considered more “evil” than those who buyers, though I’d imagine they often share adjoining cells.

        • Katherine McChesney

          I reminded a black woman that her people sold her people into slavery. She said it was the White man’s fault for buying them. Blame Whitey in other words.

          She also believes in Dr. Yacov and the White race came from the black race and that the Egyptians were good to the Israelites when they were held in slavery. I’ve never met anyone who hates Whites more than she does. She buys into all the black propaganda. Even the myth of black inventions. Interesting thing is she’s a feminist and is abusive to her husband.

          • saxonsun

            There were no Hebrew slaves in Egypt anyway–the Egyptians built their own pyramids, etc. And the ancient Egyptians were Caucasion just like they are today. It drives me mad when blacks buy into this crap.

      • SFLBIB

        I think it was Major Owens who claimed that there are sharks still following the old slave trade routes and waiting for bodies of dead slaves to be thrown overboard — over 200 years after the importation of slaves was outlawed.

        • StillModerated

          L Ron Hubbard used to write science fiction, too.

        • C_C_Conrad

          Those Sharks are RACIST TOO!!!
          Jack’s War

        • HKwills

          Ebonics marine biology expands the frontiers of human knowledge.

          • gemjunior

            LOL. Ebonics marine biology.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Sharks used to follow all ships, not just slave ships. They ate the garbage that was thrown overboard and so associated ships with food. Oceanic white-tips are notorious garbage-eaters, but they also ate half the survivors from the cruiser USS Indianapolis when she was torpedoed in 1945.

          Oceanic white-tips are a major problem in the Red Sea. This body of water is very deep, as it is the joint between the Central African Rift Valley and the valley between Israel and Jordan which contains the Dead Sea. The result is that very large, deep water sharks feel comfortable only a few hundred yards from shore, and the oceanic white-tip will eat almost anything.

          The only thing worse for lack of discrimination is tiger sharks, and since their natural prey is sea turtles, they like warm shallow water just fine. This is unfortunate, because so do we. Bull shark attacks are common in shallow water, even brackish or fresh water, but these attacks seem to be mainly territorial behavior. Great white attacks on humans are usually the result of their mistaking us for seals, but are usually fatal just because of the amount of power they can put into that first “test bite”.

          • SFLBIB

            In addition to claiming that the ecology of the ocean had been modified and remains so, he said that 200,000,000 slaves were lost at sea. That would be 2,740 PER DAY every day over the 200 years roughly 1600 to 1800 AD. According to wikipedia, about 12 million were shipped the Americas and only about 645,000 were brought to what is now the United States; 12 million is far fewer than what he said were lost. So the whole claim was ludicrous.

          • MikeofAges

            You’re talking sense to the American people. Your time is better spent clicking channels.

        • Katherine McChesney

          What a riot. They’re sooooo dramatic.

      • StillModerated

        When can we start referring to blacks as slaves?

      • MikeofAges

        400,000 total in the English colonies and United State. Grown to 40 million, with an income level that would make them maybe the tenth richest country in the world. Everyone’s definition genocide, you know.

        • MikeofAges

          Upon further review: Between 1790 and 1810, about 200,000 slaves were imported into the United States. The full total from the earliest day through 1865 was about 600,000. At the height of the slave trade, the daily average might have been 50 slaves a day. From 1701 to 1760 the daily average was less than 10 per day. White European settlers arrived at not a vastly larger rate, obviously.

          • Seek

            The black slaves certainly didn’t have any problem reproducing. The TFR must have been about seven live births per woman.

    • Tom Iron

      if blacks were enslaved today, what useful “work” could they perform???

    • HamletsGhost

      More whites are murdered by blacks in one year than all the black men who were lynched by whites in 100 years.

  • bigone4u

    In my conversations with minority students a few years ago, there were going to college to get the “free money.” Many of them didn’t quite realize they would have to pay it back. In Texas the state legislature has mandated that minorities get college degrees in huge numbers. The only way that happens is by throwing standards in the toilet. Glad to be out of a corrupt system.

    • Daisy

      How can they mandate that?

  • Paleoconn

    Racial preferences increase their numbers in college. Racial realities maintain their numbers in prison.

  • First, consider the source of this article. 2nd, do blacks in black colleges really count as being in college? half are there just to collect grant and aid money which they use the same way they use EBT cards or to bail out their boo’s. The other half are there on athletic scholarships, and most of the rest think they are at a Soul Train taping 5 days a week or trying to “hook-up”

    • crystalevans

      Unfortunately, grant and aid money does not cover the full cost of tuition. Many students take out student loans or their parents take out PLUS loans to keep their kids in school. Also those on athletic scholarships have to keep at least a C average in order to play their sport. As far as a Soul Train taping. Soul Train ended in 2006.

      • Funruffian

        This should explain why professors are bribed to pass them with C’s.

      • C_C_Conrad

        Most “athletes” must be helped a great deal just to get that C average. Have you noticed that the loans are not being paid off?

      • HamletsGhost


    • GeneticsareDestiny

      Most of them never graduate anyway, so the many thousands the white taxpayer spends sending blacks to college gets completely thrown down the drain.

      In fact, it would probably be a better use of the money to literally thrown it down a drain. At least it wouldn’t be subsidizing failure and promoting the degradation of standards at colleges that way.

      • R P

        It’s funny money paying for it anyways, would be better to flush it.

        • Seek

          Check out student loan default rates for HBCUs (Historically Black Colleges and Universities — yes, it’s an official federal designation). They’re sky-high. Also way up there are default rates at the University of Phoenix and other for-profit institutions, which market their curricula to blacks and Hispanics. They higher education’s equivalent of subprime mortgages.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            What’s scandalous is these for-profit institutions come onto our high school campuses to hard sell their programs to our non-college bound students. They promise to train them to work in the “medical billing” field or in offices at the lowest level as file clerks or other “professions.” These fake colleges charge huge amounts of tuition to train students for $9 /hour jobs — job training that could be had at the local skills center for free!

            Many students of course, drop out — but not before the loans have been taken out and the institues paid leaving students saddled with huge debts that will take them years to pay off. What a racket!!

            We are aware of these fraudulent schools at my campus and they are not allowed on our grounds even though they call all the time pretending to be legitimate colleges.


          • R P

            I have. It’s the reason the University of Phoenix will never lose it’s status. It’s rates are marginally better than HBCUs. To try to kill the University of Phoenix would only bring to prominence the joke that HCBUs are.

    • R P

      Do semi-functional retards belong in college in the same courses as you or I might take with the opportunity for the same grade?

      Then 99 out of 100 blacks don’t.

  • What if they combined the of blacks in prison with the number who should be in prison? I mean how often do you read a story where a black man has been arrested
    for some crime and they mention in passing that the perp has 6 felonies
    on their record? Because of the revolving doors on our prisons we have a large number of blacks who are always either coming or going

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    Guess who will be picking up the tab after these black male scholars don’t pay back their student loans?

    Look in the mirror.

    (Not to mention the fact that we already paid for their federal grants.)

  • Johnny99

    I’ve seen many feel good stories about inmates getting degrees while incarcerated. Do inmates taking college courses count as enrolled in college, in jail or what? Certainly, that would skew the numbers. I’d really like to know if the study counts them as students.

  • LastBastionOfHope

    Now let’s do a counter-study on how many of those blacks would have been accepted if it weren’t for affirmative action. The numbers will be back to more blacks in prison than in college.

  • Scott

    Now let’s have another chart. The number of black males in college who aren’t hired guns for the football and basketball teams and actually go to class.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      I did my undergrad work at UC Santa Cruz. There were no football or basketball teams. I knew exactly one “black” guy, and Percy was a “high yellow” who’s family was originally Jamaican. He was majoring in computer science.

      The only class I never went to, except for the two one-hour exams and the three-hour final was astronomy; I knew that material already, and I was taking quantum mechanics for the second time that autumn, having failed it the previous year, so I put everything I had into quantum – on three exams, I missed one problem. My favorite astronomy class was stellar evolution, which was upper-division, but lots of fun. For the benefit of younger undergrad AmRenners, I highly recommend the course. I love my astronomy textbooks, and reread them every few years.

      • MikeofAges

        Trippy, man. There’s nothing like the universe.

  • JohnEngelman

    Those who mention the large number of black men in prison expect whites to be ashamed. Blacks should be ashamed.

  • panjoomby

    even tho most academics are leftists, some are tough & hard-assed about grading, with no exceptions, no matter the student – fortunately.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      I still miss some of my undergraduate college professors. The first was impressed with my ability to solve apparently difficult calculus problems with algebra. First semester physics – classical mechanics – went so well that I didn’t even have to take the final 3-hour exam. I got 100 on that, too. David Dorfan was from South Africa, and said he wanted to meet me. My ex-father was a physics professor, so I knew this “stuff” from nothing. The comment in red pen was “You Are Really Smart!”

      I’m educated and glad for it. I miss my friends from college: Thomas Schauer, William Rolston, Clare Quin-Harkin, Michael Chtourou. Harald Sanders, Brooks Smith, and John DuBois (rip),

      • Katherine McChesney

        You have a huuuuge ego.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Of course, but it isn’t bragging if one can really do it. Fighter pilots have huge egos; why not scientists and engineers? In the 1990s, I was the best laboratory chemist in the world in the microelectronics industry: 79 US and foreign patents awarded in six years. Surely there’s something you’re very good at that you particularly love and which fills you with pride. For one of my friends, that is super-detailing models to breathtaking perfection. At one time in my life, it was working up extremely accurate loads for rifle ammunition as well as chemistry. While I was locked up in federal prison, it was helping guys with their GED work. For one of my childhood friends who won’t talk to me anymore because I am a racist, it is restoring old Fords, and he is completely brilliant at it. For my ex-father, it was solving difficult – even for physicists – problems. He did a lot of hydrogen bomb work on directional blast at Los Alamos during summers. From what I can remember of his calculations when I was 12, almost everything would go through a 22 degree downward cone.

          We all have our strengths and weaknesses. My main weakness is interacting with other people, though at age 46, I’m more inclined to help folks instead of being frustrated with them.

  • opoopa world

    Sounds like another pc lie plus everything is being reversed in the pc new society of Opoopa. Good is bad, left is right, white is black, salt is pepper, right is wrong, up is down, etc…

  • Both of them got into a college via affirmative action. After they are arrested, the number will go back to normal.

  • Fed Up

    If most people disbelieve that great-sounding claim, it’s because that claim is a blatant lie!

    You can’t go by athletic scholarships. Nor does it count if those claimed Black collegians drop out or fail before graduating.

  • Joe Sewell

    Are these negroes ‘attending’ the so called ‘african studies’ classes where attendance isn’t required? The police chief here in Charlotte reportedly has a bogus honorary college degree given to him by the bogus then governor of Virginia….

  • Fed Up

    If you want a good laugh, follow this lead to a current Newsvine article written by a crackpot extolling the “brilliance” of early Africans.

    If nothing else, the story proves beyond a doubt, no matter how ridiculous or outlandish the claim — as long as it praises Blacks, people will believe it unquestioningly. Best of all, you don’t even need the slightest proof to substantiate your outlandish claims.

    • What a truly remarkable people! All you can really say is, what the hell happened!!! My guess is that this once highly advanced race decided to adopt a simpler life more in tune with nature. I wonder how that’s working out for them.

    • R P

      LMAO at that article.

    • Katherine McChesney

      The only thing that originated in Africa is the skill of bullsh!**ing.

  • StillModerated

    “Analyzed and Illustrated by: Ivory A. Toldson, Ph.D., Howard University”
    The following are from his website:

    Dr. Ivory A. Toldson is an associate professor at Howard University, senior research analyst for the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, and editor-in-chief of “The Journal of Negro Education.”

    Dr. Toldson has publish [sic] reports challenging the merits of popular research reports and news sources that present negative statistics about Black [sic] people, which have been widely discussed in academic and popular media. He is a contributing educational editor for The Root and Empower Magazine.

    Yes indeedy! Science fiction!

  • trayvon martin

    blacks blame all of their problems on slavery but i feel that even if there was never slavery they would be in the same situation. look at every place they inhabit…

    • libertarian 1234

      “……even if there was never slavery they would be in the same situation.”

      You’re right on that. Slavery is just an excuse they use to justify their inability to compete on an equal basis with every other race in the world, with the possible exception of Australian Aborigines.

      They have the same problems in every country they’ve migrated to where there is no history of slavery, including Africa.

      Of course they’ll claim their African failures are due to white colonialism, but if it weren’t for white influence they would never have been able to design and build structures and streets on their own. They can’t even properly maintain what whites left when they were pushed out. Much of it is deteriorating badly.

      They’ve lived a stone-age existence for thousands of years, never having invented a written language or even the wheel.

      • MikeofAges

        You can add to that the inability to form an agenda which might actually help them in their situation. Under affirmative action, those who can succeed in graduate and professional school or function in middle management make it. Everyone else does not.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Even Australian Aborigines are at least very nice when they can stay away from alcohol. They don’t have the cruelty in them that is so typical of African blacks, or even of New Zealand Maoris.

  • James

    You all are jealous and always thinking that you are better or smarter than anybody else but you don’t. You are the dumbest people on earth, but you are looking smart because you kept other races dumb. I can’t tell how much I hate you all. If you are really tough than post my message on your site, but I don’t think you will because you’re a pussy.

  • James

    What are you talking about the white males are the one who need more psychological help whites are the psychopaths, serial killers, rapists. I never saw a black man who kept his daughter in the basement raped her, did S&M with her and get lot of kids with her. I never did. There are more whites in the person than blacks. Your comments just doesn’t make sens I just think you guys are stupid and don’t want to see the truth. I advice you to stay living in the renaissance, you just don’t belong in this current world.

  • James

    I hate The USA I just hope this country will not exist anymore in a few years.

  • James

    If uou’ll die no one will miss you. Did you guys ever realise that. You should not even exist.

    • Jackie Allen

      You’re absolutely right there a lot of scumbags in here. I just hope there kids will be raped.

  • C_C_Conrad

    By Bill Alexander
    updated 1/14/2004 11:43:18 AM ET

    [snip] Now, some 37 percent of black men are enrolled, compared with 42 percent of African American women and 44.5 percent of white males. (So while there are more black males enrolling in college today than 20 years ago, other groups have outstripped them in enrolling and, even more importantly, in retention rates.

    [snip] The graduation rate of black men is lower than that of any group. Only 35 percent of black males enrollees graduated within six years from N.C.A.A. Division I colleges in 1996, compared with 59 percent of white males, 46 percent of Hispanic men, 41 percent of American Indian males and 45 percent of the black women who entered the same year.

    [snip] Surveys and reports are hinting that the country’s educational apparatus is stacked against the black male. According to the Manhattan Institute’s Education Research Office, fewer than one in five students of color have graduated from high school, have a set of college-prep courses on their high school transcripts and “demonstrate basic literacy” – the necessities for being “college ready.” [Bold added]

    [snip] Another glaring problem, says Arlethia Perry-Johnson, chairwoman of Georgia’s African American Male Initiative (AAMI), is that black males are disproportionately labeled as discipline and behavioral problems and fast-tracked out of high schools through expulsions and suspensions. [Bold added]

    My question is – how can the “country’s educational apparatus is stacked against” anybody? And, how is it the black community can’t learn from the fact “that black males are disproportionately labeled as discipline and behavioral problems” and fix the problem themselves?
    Jack’s War

    • Michael_C_Scott

      Another useful question is why – if the US educational system is “racist” – Orientals work their butts off just to attend a university in the United States, generally in STEM fields and not sociology or gay/lesbian/transgendered studies.

      • C_C_Conrad

        science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. The “racist” charge is just anti-white propaganda. See Jack’s War foe a good discussion on this. Also, the Asians are planning to make something of themselves, lazy whites & negroid types do not have the required IQ to handle these studies. This is why the leftist “regressive crowd” want to stop testing in school all together. It shows them up for the liars that they are.
        Jack’s War

  • Seek

    Having been a college professor for a number of years (I prefer not to say where), I can say with a clear conscience that, as a whole, they were my poorest students. Out of the several dozen I had, maybe five or six, two of them African-born foreign students, demonstrated any academic promise. Some simply didn’t show up for class.

    • R P

      Where I went to school athletes had a sheet they had to get signed by the instructors to show class attendance.

    • saxonsun

      I too teach college and will not say where. Many Hispanics also can’t cut it academically. And yes, we have lowered our standards to suit these populations.

  • Shattered

    Ironically, the truth STILL may not result in fewer government grants of taxpayer money to African-American organizations.

  • White Engineer

    If you want to do some interesting research, go to page 4 of the pdf file in the link below:

    You can see that blacks who graduate in a “real” subject such as engineering are few and far between. There are almost as many female Asians awarded BS degrees in engineering as black men, yet Asians are about 2% of the US population and Blacks comprise 12%. Many of the Black engineers graduate from HBU’s which are much easier to get in to and also “set the bar” very low.

  • Digitoxin

    I went to MCCKC Penn Valley for my prerequisites. After a semester, I left to another location. The reason? The poor, oppressed black students I went to class with? They were slinging crack and weed – on campus, patrolled by security. When I told the office why I left, they pretended to be surprised. But as it turns out, everyone at my new campus seems to know all about it. Go figure. So if there are more in college than prison, then we certainly know where their futures lay, don’t we?

    • Daisy

      In Wash., DC, black men used to come into the Georgetown neighborhood purposely, from other corners of the city, particularly the southwest ghetto where most lived, and terrorize white women and mug white men. By the mid-late 90’s it got so bad that the university had to issue warnings as beatings of white kids by blacks for ‘no apparent reason’ were happening constantly. Black thugs were not targeting Howard University (almost all black) though, just the white kids in the opposite corner of the city which purposely doesn’t even have its own metro stop. I’ve heard it’s only worsened, yet no hate crimes are prosecuted. The only time you saw a cop (almost all were black) was when your car was five minutes overdue parking and they towed to collect the money.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    We order on a regular basis from Amazon. How can we make sure this benefits AmRen?

    Michael & Sayaka Scott
    2563 Hatch Circle
    Colorado Springs, CO

  • Michael_C_Scott

    I’ve got a Master’s Degree as well as a prison record, and I hate both environments. I spent Friday loading furniture into trucks, and I much prefer that sort of work. I have never returned home feeling like a sucker after heavy manual labor. Work as a research chemist in the microelectronics industry was breaking my spirit in a way three years in Federal prison never managed.

    Lots of guys would say they’d want my old job as the best research chemist in the world in the microelectronics industry. By my 30th birthday, my blood pressure was 175/105. Now it is 85/45: too low for me to donate blood.

    I work only when it suits me, and never for people who annoy me. It apparently takes an enormous amount of provocation to annoy me these days. I made a very obnoxious customer happy with a 25-inch TV I had tested on Monday. It had been priced at $15, but he reminded me of my ex-father the way he played dominance games. My bosses later told me my patience was amazing. I explained that being nice doesn’t cost me very much. That said, I prefer loading furniture. It involves fewer human interactions.

    Black guys who go to prison for non-violent crimes have my sympathy. Once they’re doing something violent, I have no sympathy for them at all.

  • Thor Bonham

    Apparently people prefer to believe the contrary.

    I don’t “prefer” to believe the contrary, if you think about it, the contrary makes sense ..

  • Bobbala

    The secret to black success — lowering standards and OPM.

  • LaSantaHermandad

    “In 2009, the DOJ’s most recent year for data on prison populations,
    there were more than 150 percent more black males in college than

    OK ! That would explain the drastic increase in campus violence over the last few years. Murders, Sexual assaults and theft.

  • anarchyst

    A major reason for the lower IQ levels of blacks is the fact that the “best and brightest” were NEVER imported as slaves. The tribal chieftains KNEW enough to get rid of the “lowest third” of their population by exporting them as slaves. It was a “good deal” for the African chiefs as well. It looks like the present generation of whites in the United States has been paying for our ancestors’ short-sightedness ever since.
    Of course, “the great emancipator” Abraham Lincoln wanted to ship them back to Africa, but . . .

    • weren’t the ones traded as slaves POW’s?

      • anarchyst

        Some were, others were not. Quite often, the slower-witted and those that curried disfavor with the “boss” were sold off …

    • MikeofAges

      Someone should take a serious look at what was involved in rounding up and shipping out up to 20 million people over 200 years.That works out to about 300 a day. Where did they come from, and who delivered them to the coast?

  • I think the numbers are skewed because blacks spend more time in college than they spend in prison.

  • starlight

    Around me, I constantly see black males getting away with crimes that would for sure have put white males or East Asian males behind bars. Is Dr. Toldson putting that into consideration? And as others have already stated multiple times, how many of them truly earned admissions to their schools, rather than with help from the academic affirmative action?

  • potato78

    Black popularity just like the chart shown in the article become more popular increased with the years.

  • MekongDelta69

    So basically what they’re saying is colleges are now prisons.

    Btw, wouldn’t you love to see the comparable stats for Whites?


    College Yeah ! That’s where the white womens is……..

  • Alexandra

    The ones in college are probably taking a detour. How much you want to be most of them will wind up in *another* college? I think some people here know what I’m talking about.

  • Ed

    I’ve seen blacks show up the first day to get money for financial aid. Day 2 the class is a lot quieter and more productive. This was only in humanities classes though. i have yet to see a black person in mechanics or statics.

  • Luca

    And I wonder how many of those black scholars were on parole?

  • Ed_NY

    As I have previously posted, my daughter is in pharmacy school. She is in her 2nd year and doing well. However, after her very first semester, her GPA (2.8) for her math and science courses, though passing, was a little low for the pharmacy program. Because of that, she was placed on academic probation. My wife and I met with the student advisor and she told us that my daughter would have boost her GPA for math and science in order to continue in pharmacy school. I pressed the advisor to tell me what the minimum acceptable GPA is for pharmacy students. The answer was that it depends on the student. In my daughters case she suggested that she should bring her GPA up to a 3.0 or greater and a 3.5 would be preferred. She tripped and told us that if my daughter was a disadvantaged student that her GPA would be acceptable but since my daughter was not she must improve. I was unable to get her to define a disadvantaged student.

    • Michael_C_Scott

      You could send her out to Colorado for the summer. If you give me a few months’ notice, I can brush up. She’ll do very well on it. I’m weak on calculus anymore, but I’m an excellent chemistry teacher. I don’t have access to a lab anymore, but I taught undergrads.

  • saxonsun

    Just got an e-mail about the increasing lack of diversity in NYC colleges and how bad that is. For me, what excellent news! But you see what we are up against.

  • Reading these comments shows exactly why people think ignorance is bliss.