Rubio-Obama Immigration Plan? Senator’s Proposal Looks Like White House Policy

Marc Caputo, Miami Herald, January 16, 2013

The White House has said Florida Sen. Marco Rubio’s immigration plans, which could legalize the status of some of those unlawfully in the country, “bode well for a productive, bipartisan debate.”

A reason for that optimism: Rubio’s ideas and comments closely mirror those of President Obama in a 2011 policy speech in El Paso Texas.

“This is the Rubio-Obama immigration plan,” Mark Krikorian, head of the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, told Mother Jones.

“There’s nothing substantive in Rubio’s proposal that wouldn’t immediately be agreed to by President Obama,” he said, noting that President George W. Bush proposed a similar plan in 2006 that many Congressional Republicans helped kill.

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Not only do Rubio and Obama’s plans create a similar type of amnesty for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants, the two politicians have used similar language.

Here’s Obama unveiling his plan in May 2011, relatively little-reported at the time:

“Those who are here illegally, they have a responsibility as well. So they broke the law, and that means they’ve got to pay their taxes, they’ve got to pay a fine, they’ve got to learn English. And they’ve got to undergo background checks and a lengthy process before they get in line for legalization. That’s not too much to ask.”

Here’s Rubio in the Wall Street Journal on the undocumented:

“They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check . . . They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”

Neither Obama nor Rubio have issued bills. So it’s unclear what the real specific policy differences would be on many of the finer details, although the two appear to disagree on the effectiveness and need for more border security.

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Also, national reporters described Obama as seeking a “pathway to citizenship” in May 2011. But he never said that phrase in his speech or his written plan. Obama never specified what “legalization” is. Even if Obama has changed his mind, it’s a good indication the president and Rubio agree far more than they disagree about “legalization.”

The two did have a disagreement regarding a pathway to citizenship vs. a pathway to legal residency regarding the proposed DREAM Act, which would allow those brought to this country as children to legally remain if they go to college or the military.

Obama wanted a pathway to citizenship. Rubio called for a residency pathway. Rubio shelved his plan, he says temporarily, after Obama used the framework of the Republican’s plan in an executive action that stopped deporting these young people.

More broadly, the president and Rubio share similar policies and rhetoric regarding the need for more farm workers.

Rubio in the Journal: ““The goal is to give American agriculture a reliable work force and to give protection to these workers as well.”

Obama in May: “We need to provide our farms a legal way to hire workers that they rely on, and a path for those workers to earn legal status.”

Both Rubio and Obama have said that businesses should be punished for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. And they believe this protects lawful workers as well as the immigrants.

Rubio in the Journal: “When someone is [undocumented] they’re vulnerable to being exploited.”

Obama in May: “Also, because undocumented immigrants live in the shadows . . .  they’re vulnerable to unscrupulous businesses that skirt taxes, and pay workers less than the minimum wage, or cut corners with health and safety laws.”

Both Rubio and Obama want more highly skilled immigration.

Rubio: “I don’t think that in the 21st century we can continue to have an immigration system where only 6.5% of people who come here, come here based on labor and skill. We have to move toward merit and skill-based immigration . . . I don’t think there’s a lot of concern in this country that we’ll somehow get overrun by Ph.D.s and entrepreneurs.”

Obama: “Our existing policies provide limited avenues for talented and industrious individuals to work and reside in the U.S. For example, each year, we provide approximately 400,000 visas to foreign-born students seeking to enroll in U.S. colleges and universities, but then force them to leave the country to compete against us when they graduate. In addition, it is difficult for talented entrepreneurs who wish to start companies and create jobs in the U.S. to enter and remain in the country.”

One obvious difference, at least regarding their rhetoric, appears to be the issue of border security. Rubio says more needs to be done.

Obama says his administration has and is doing enough. {snip}

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  • John

    As we have been discussing here for quite some time, the Republican Party a vehicle for White values and the preservation of White ideals and White heritage has completely died. The main emphasis within the RNC is the promotion of non-White candidates, namely Hispanics and Indians, for the 2016 election. Suzanna Martinez, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, and Nikki Haley are now the “big” names the RNC bandies about.
    The Democrats don’t speak for or represent the interests of conservative Whites. The Republicans don’t speak for or represent the interest of conservative Whites. In fact, both parties work relentlessly, night and day, to destroy conservative Whites. Where does that leave us? What is our future? Most of us seemed resigned to quietly accept the inevitible and fade into the annals of history. Is that really where we stand?
    No other race/ethnicity/religion on Earth is threatened by the prospects of almagamation. Not the Asians, Indians, Blacks, Mestizos, or Muslims. Only Anglos are set to fall. Why and what can we do to stop this?

    • George White

      I hate to say this but…the elites are dead set on white genocide. Whites the world over are in serious trouble. If whites actually awaken from their slumber, maybe we can have some impact. But it’s probably going to get very very ugly.

    • The GOP now exists primarily only to advance the careers of politicians who can’t get on the democrat party ticket. I am done with them. It is time to support a conservative 3rd party.

      Who cares if that means the democrats win? When the republicans start acting like democrats, who cares that they lose the elections? Since the republicans are now become as bad as the democrats, the only responsible thing remaining conservative to do is vote 3rd party.

  • dd121

    If Rubio or one of his ilk are chosen by the Republican party to be their candidate for president in the next election, you can count me out. I’ll add to that three million whites who didn’t vote for a Republican in the last election. Think the Republican leadership will ever get the message?

    • So CAL Snowman

      Nope, and they aren’t supposed to. Republicans exist solely to “conserve” the gains made by the liberal establishment. Think of the Republicans as “Mensheviks” to the Democrats ‘Bolsheviks” or more succinctly think of them as Vichy Republicans after the German controlled French Vichy regime.

      • dd121

        As I recall, the real Bolsheviks lined the Mensheviks up against a wall and shot them.

        • So CAL Snowman

          It’s a time honored leftist tradition.

          • With regard to the Democrats doing with the GOP as the Bolsheviks did to the Mensheviks: Who cares? I’m sick of the GOP.

    • The__Bobster

      We sent them a strong message, but they still took away the message they wanted to hear.

      http://www.vdare.com/articles/rubio-s-ridiculous-immigration-plan-so-bad-it-might-sink-amnesty

      Rubio’s Ridiculous Immigration Plan: So Bad, It Might Sink Amnesty

      By Washington Watcher on January 15, 2013 at 10:17pm

      Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) outlined his yet-to-be introduced immigration bill in a Wall Street Journal interview on Monday [Marco Rubio: Riding to the Immigration
      Rescue, By Matthew Kaminski, January 14, 2013]

      Predictably, coming from the WSJ Edit Page, the interview missed no cliché—unpicked fruit, E-Verify beingunreliable, “nativists” hurting the G.O.P., Hispanics being “natural conservatives,” blah blah…But for the purpose of simplicity, I will simply focus on Rubio’s proposed policies.

      Before going through the details, I must point out that the actual legislation that Rubio introduces will no doubt be much worse than what he said in the interview. This is the pattern with all “comprehensive immigration reform” bills: the increased enforcement measures always have loopholes, while the amnesty and increases to legal immigration are wider than advertised.

    • mobilebay

      You’re entirely right, dd121. I’m so disgusted with Rubio, I turn off the TV when he’s on. He kept me busy this morning. Seems he was on every news channel I turned to. Although I was disgusted, I was not surprised. I don’t know any Hispanic in Washington, or anywhere, that won’t be happy until the US is turned into the hellholes they came from. Keep writing to your reps and tell them to stop the Latino invasion and the eventual destruction of our nation.

    • Dave4088

      No.

  • wattylersrevolt

    Cubans are a very unnatural presence in our America…in fact they are a hostile hispanic fifth column. Go back to Cuba. Dito for the Portuguese…another a quasi-hispanic group that does not belong here..big time affirmatve action beneficiares.
    Cubans are not our kind!!!!

    • George White

      I wouldn’t vote for Rubio if he offered me a free phone…and a car….and a house.

    • alas

      What do you have against the Portuguese? They are white European. Also, I know of some very white Cubans. Generally though, most Cubans are not.

  • Instead of giving visas to foreigners who enroll in our colleges and get advanced degrees, why not encourage American born students to do the same and provide scholarships and or loan forgiveness programs once they graduate and start businesses.

  • bigone4u

    Marco Rubio = wolf in sheep’s clothing

  • odious liberal

    The left setting up the next fake conservative for 2016,Bush,McCain, Romney and now this fool.

  • cubans are not mexicans

    Rubio is your typical Bushie … Rubio needs to recall he is a capitalist Batista Cuban of white caucasoid European Spanish race origin whose parents and the rest of thr 500k to flee socialist Castro regime and full US citizenship allowed political assylum beginning in 1960, NOT a red yellow mongoloid Asian race Mexican illegal breaking the law.

  • shattered

    Rinos are troublesome.

  • JohnEngelman

    The leaders of the Republican Party like a high degree of unemployment because it enables employers to reduce wages.

    Republican politicians are willing to campaign against immigration when they think it will help them win elections. Many Republicans think Mitt Romney lost the last election because Hispanic voters thought he was insufficiently pro immigration.

    As a result it is unlikely that there will be much opposition between the parties on immigration.

  • ATBOTL

    It’s time racially aware whites in America abandon the idea of making the GOP a pro-white party and begin the long, arduous task of building an explicitly pro-white party, something that should have happened in the 1960’s. Nationalists in almost all European countries have done this, it’s far from impossible. The only obstacle is laziness and fatalism(the absurd belief that the the current two party system is some kind of eternal force of nature).

    Keep in mind that political parties are nascent armies, as often seen in third world conflicts and as happened in the USA after the Civil War where the Democratic party in the South became a guerilla army that fought successfully to restore white rule.

  • Dave4088

    Mr. no spin zone of FAUX News presented us with “both” sides of the illegal immigration issue. Side one is RINO Rubio’s approach of amnesty slowly phased in over a period of time. Side two was the loony left proposition of whole hog amnesty now promulgated by leftist nit wit Kirsten Powers and some radical Democrat. So we are presented with dumb and dumber and it’s obvious that restrictionists and advocates for deportation are persona non grata at the FAUX “News” Network and their increasing move to the left on illegal immigration.

    • ATBOTL

      When Obama announced his amnesty this summer, Fox News had a round table discussion with half a dozen neocons and party insiders like Bill Kristol and Karl Rove. All of them agreed that the amnesty was a good thing. There was nothing to argue about or criticize

      This is what conservative white Americans are watching on TV.

      • It’s the classic “Overton Window” maneuver. Rubio’s plan is called “conservative,” some kook liberal’s plan is called “liberal,” and then they (pretend to) argue (and by “argue,” I include screaming and shouting) on Murdoch’s network (Rupert Murdoch admits he wants amnesty and open borders), when the two plans are 90% alike and not good for us. The whole thing is so fraudulent that even the Neocon Review sees right through it. Except NR really wants amnesty and open borders when you scratch their surface, too.