Paul Ryan’s College Sweetheart Speaks Out for the First Time About the Relationship That Opened His Eyes to Racism

Belinda Robinson et al., Daily Mail (London), August 31, 2012

The cheerleader who Paul Ryan dated in college and helped forge his uncompromising opposition to racism says that she may not be a Republican but still supports the ‘nice guy’.

Speaking exclusively to MailOnline, Deneeta Pope said she met the future vice presidential candidate through friends at Miami University some 20 years ago.

Pope, 40, said: ‘Paul is a very nice guy, a kind guy and a family guy. He’s very approachable and a very likeable person.’

Deneeta Pope

The relationship and the negative reaction he said he suffered from his so-called friends were a formative experience in the political evolution of the VP pick who described himself as a ‘big, big fan’ of Martin Luther King and is a staunch advocate of civil rights.

But Pope, an I.T. specialist and realtor living in Chicago, denies that they experienced any racism as a couple.

Pope also said that while their relationship was not very serious, they have remained friends through the years.

‘It tells you the kind of guy Paul is when you learn that he has remained friends with all of his friends that he met in college.’

Michael Steel, campaign spokesman for Ryan, confirmed to MailOnline on Thursday that ‘Mr Ryan dated Ms Pope in college’ in the 1990s.

In a 2005 interview, Mitt Romney’s future running mate said that he had been confronted with racism personally, because he had dated an African-American and also had a brother with a black wife.

‘I have a sister-in-law who’s African American,’ he told Milwaukee Magazine.

‘My college sweetheart was black,’ he added.

‘I just experienced some ugly comments, some racist views from people who I thought were friends of mine.’

Pope, who married her second husband in May, said Ryan and his wife were present at the nuptials.

She said: ‘A week before his vice presidential nomination, Paul and Janna came to our wedding in Chicago to see Michael and I get married.’

A registered Democrat since at least 2008, in 2009 she made three donations of $324 each to President Barack Obama’s inaugural fund.

‘I am indeed a Democrat. That’s no secret. But although I have a different political association to Paul, I support him and wish him continued success.’

Father-of-three Ryan, who has been married for 12 years, took centre stage on Wednesday night at the RNC with a powerful speech attacking Obama, just weeks after he was thrust to the top of American politics weeks ago.

Pope said she wasn’t surprised by his electrifying remarks.

She said: ‘[Ryan] has always been a good speaker.’

He appeared on the stage with his wife and three young children. But more than 20 years ago, it could have all worked out so differently.

At the end of the long, hot Wisconsin summer in 1988, Ryan left his home town of Janesville for Miami University, described by the Pulitzer prize-winning poet Robert Frost as the ‘the most beautiful college there is’.

Greeted by the sight of the majestic red-brick Georgian Revival architecture of the historic university, founded in 1809 and one of only four schools to boast a U.S. President and Superbowl-winning quarterback among its alumni, the freshman must have felt he and the college were a perfect fit.

After all, the 6ft 2ins Catholic boy with blazing blue eyes now faced with impressive spectacle of quadrangles with perfectly manicured lawns, and cavernous halls that form the heart of the college, had been his high school’s prom king, star basketball player and class president.

But rising above everything that he did was a sense of duty that he should not waste this opportunity to succeed. He had been first to discover his father’s lifeless body in bed after a heart attack just two years earlier – an experience that affected him profoundly.

His father’s untimely death at just 55 not only cemented Ryan’s well-documented life-long obsession with exercise, but also meant his college education was being funded by survivor’s benefits paid to the teenager after the tragedy.

He knew that he could not squander his father’s legacy.

Perhaps that’s why he entered the Delta Tau Delta fraternity, its motto ‘committed to lives of excellence’. Founded in 1911, the fraternity had also built a reputation for the athleticism of its brothers.

Gatewood Arnold, lived with Ryan in the whitewashed frat house with 30 other young men 15 minutes walk from the campus.

He remembers Ryan as a ‘gifted, serious student who loved talking about economics and aced exams without much study’.

Mr Arnold, 42, from Kentucky, said he and Ryan, an avid reader of the Wall Street Journal and Economist, often found it difficult to study in the raucous atmosphere of the house.

But Ryan wasn’t unfriendly or aloof. He would watch football with his friends and kept them entertained by quoting lines from popular movies.

‘It makes me laugh remembering that, and he would always make you laugh. Not with jokes, just a comment or two, or a reference,’ said Mr Arnold.

‘He was very focused though. He was a double major in political science and economics. He was extremely bright, even back then.’

Mr Arnold said Ryan eschewed the team sports the young men often played outside on the lawn of the house or on the sprawling sports fields surrounding the campus.

He remembers how Ryan would work out on his own instead, in a small gym nearby.

Two years after Ryan’s freshman year, Pope arrived to the same prestigious surroundings from a modest home in semi-rural Westerville, Ohio.

Slim but muscular, the 5ft 6ins Pope had her sights set on the cheerleading team of the college’s Redhawks football team and was already equipped with the determination and discipline that making the cut required.

Pope was a fitness fanatic at 10, she has recounted. And she had come from a high school, St Francis Desales, in Columbus, Ohio, which boasts an alumni of Olympic medalists, NFL and NBA players.

She worked out twice a day, running, strength training, kickboxing and doing Pilates. In one grueling session each day, she’d do 60 push-ups in sets of 20, along with 200 sit-ups and squats, to keep in shape for the team, a fellow teammate said.

Pope became good at juggling her heavy sporting commitments with her Marketing & Management Information Systems degree.

Miami University’s current head cheerleading coach Cindi Byrge was an assistant coach at the time that Pope was pictured in the squad’s photo in 1992. She remembers her as a ‘lovely girl and excellent cheerleader’.

It is not known how the two met or at what point in their college education but it is clear that they both had much in common, not least their sporting prowess and steely will to succeed.

Ryan Donmoyer, a journalist who interviewed Ryan in 1999, wrote that then freshman congressman for Wisconsin’s first district had told him that he had dated a black former cheerleader for five years. Steel, Representative Ryan’s spokesman, said: ‘They dated in the mid-1990s, and broke up several years before Mr Ryan met Mrs Ryan [in 1999].’

Donmoyer wrote that after Ryan’s relationship with Pope, who graduated in 1994, two years after him eventually fizzled out when he went to Washington D.C. to pursue his political ambitions on Capitol Hill and she to Chicago when she left Ohio.

Records held by the Federal Election Commission show that Pope, then 28 and working for PricewaterhouseCoopers, gave $1,000 to his Republican primary campaign in 1998 and the same amount for his general election race. He won both elections, putting him on track for political stardom and perhaps one day the U.S. presidency.

After leaving PricewaterhouseCoopers, Pope became president and founder of Excel Solutions, a Chicago-based IT consultancy that specialized in software implementation.

Neither of them gave up their love of sports. Ryan has become synonymous with the oddly titled P90X workout programme, while Pope featured in an online video for The Wall Street Journal in 2010 promoting a full-body workout called the Bar Method.

She told the newspaper that she enjoyed working out or jogging to ‘anything by the Black Eyed Peas’ or ‘Rude Boy’ by Rihanna.

While Ryan went on to marry his Janna, Pope’s first marriage ended in divorce.

She married Mark Niedzielski in 2004 but the couple split after four years. Niedzielski, told MailOnline: ‘She’s a great person, really nice, our marriage broke up because we just grew apart.’

Pope married her second husband Michael Thompson, 43, three months ago. He is an IT specialist and is president of Thompson Court Reporters, a Chicago-based firm that supplies online legal information nationwide.

The newlyweds live in the Lincoln Park home that Pope bought and is situated on a leafy street in the affluent suburb.

A neighbour who asked not to be named, said, ‘They’re a pleasant couple and this is a great neighbourhood. Whenever I seen them, they look happy.’

Today, Pope is also a realtor for @Properties in Chicago and also has her own property portfolio. Two years ago, she bought a $1.05 million four-bedroom 4.5-bath condominium in the Lincoln Park area of the city.

Thompson declined to discuss his wife’s previous relationship with Ryan. ‘She really does not want to talk about any of this,’ Thompson told MailOnline.

After Ryan’s 2005 mention of a black ‘college sweetheart’ emerged last week in a tweet by CNN’s Peter Hamby, the relationship was immediately examined for its political significance in the light of the low support for Republicans from minorities.

Keli Goff, political correspondent for The Root, penned an article entitled ‘Does Paul Ryan’s ex-girlfriend matter?’

In it, she stated that ‘having a relationship with someone of a different race does not automatically make someone more racially sensitive and enlightened’ and Ryan’s policies did not help black people.

It was possible, she said, ‘to have a black friend, Asian friend, Hispanic friend or Muslim friend or wife and still exhibit prejudice toward that group’ because ‘the friend or wife is simply viewed as the exception who is not like the others.

Writing in the New York Daily News, columnist Derek Hunter responded that this was ‘race-baiting’ and the fact that Ryan had once had a black girlfriend only mattered to ‘race-obsessed liberals’. The ‘constant charge and implication of racism’, he added, ‘does nothing to help anyone of any colour’.

Ryan has not shied away from issues of race.

He told Milwaukee Magazine in 2005 that his political mentor the late Jack Kemp, who ran as the Republican vice-presidential candidate with Bob Dole against Bill Clinton and Al Gore in 1996 but was defeated, had ‘taught me a lot, too’ about broadening the Republican Party’s appeal to blacks.

Five years after being first elected to Congress, accompanied Representative John Lewis, a Democratic congressman and civil rights icon, on the Congressional Civil Rights Pilgrimage to Alabama.

In that 2005 interview, Ryan described Lewis, who still bears the scars form a beating by state troopers in Selma, Alabama, in 1965, as ‘a hero’ and said that while he had experienced racism he had little knowledge of what Lewis and other blacks of his generation had gone through.

‘I didn’t know anything about that. I just learned so much about the Civil Rights movement and the absolute bravery it took. And I’m a big, big fan of Martin Luther King.’

Although Ryan is determined to oust President Barack Obama from the White House, he has drawn attention to the historic significance of his being the first black U.S. president.

He has said: ‘I love the idea of Barack Obama. I love the fact that we elected an African-American man as our president. I think that is a really cool thing. I just don’t like the ideas coming from Barack Obama.’

A recent NBC News/Wall Street journal poll found that Romney had zero per cent support among black voters, though the poll had a margin of error of three per cent.

Black support for Obama reached a historic high for any Democrat in 2008 and although enthusiasm has tailed off to a degree, there are few signs of defections to Romney.

The Romney-Ryan campaign was outraged this month when Vice President Joe Biden told a crowd in Danville, Virginia in which a number of black supporters were present that Republicans wanted to ‘put y’all back in chains’ – an apparent reference to slavery.

Romney has spoken proudly of the support his father George, who was governor of Michigan, gave to the civil rights campaign at a time when relatively few Republican politicians did so.

When Martin Luther King visited Detroit in 1963 and led a rally of 125,000 people, George Romney issued a proclamation and sent personal representatives. After King was assassinated in 1968, George Romney attended his funeral.

But while the Republican ticket badly needs to attract more black voters, for Romney to cite the experiences of his father or Ryan to discuss a black former girlfriend could easily attract claims of pandering.

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  • Someone here floated the theory that Ryan made up the black ex-girlfriend.  I agreed with that theory until this story came out.

    Either way, nobody is made happy by this news.  Either Ryan was lying, or he really did have a black g/f, bad news for him either way in our eyes.  The kook black websites weren’t happy, either.  Paul Ryan made practically nobody happy with this stunt.

    •  Well he didnt make it up out of whole cloth but he stretched it out of proportion, based on her comments.

    • Ulick

      “The kook black websites weren’t happy, either.”

      I saw that.  I like to check out The Root, Grio, and HuffPost’s Black Voices for some entertainment.  Many comments on those sites were that Ryan having a black college sweethaeart was further proof of Ryan’s racism.  That’s right, the black girlfriend was further proof of Ryan being a closet Klansman.

      Their theory was that if Ryan were not a racist he would have married his black college sweetheart.  Instead, Ryan used the black woman for sex, but when the money was on the table Ryan settled down with a white woman. 

      I kid you not.  That was a common theme of Ryan’s allegedly irrefutable white racism I read in many comments.  You just can’t win with some people, so why try?

      • If someone thinks you’re a racist, they’ll always be able to find plentiful evidence that you are.  It’s sort of like Say’s Law applied in a different fashion:  The conclusion generates its own evidence.

        Ditto with anti-Semitism.  I have given up on trying to convince people that I’m not, because if someone already has come to the conclusion that you’re anti-Semitic, they’ll be able to find a lot of evidence.  Two prominent Israelis have declared the noted pro-Israel Geert Wilders to be anti-Semitic because he supports animal rights legislation because the legislation might impede on traditional Jewish animal sacrifice rituals which hardly any Jews do anymore.  I used to think that “the Jews” (and by that, I mean a consensus majority of Jewish thinkers and voters, not all Jews) will leave us alone if we display insouciance toward Jews and Israel, not care either way, but I’ve been convinced otherwise.  My very insouciance would be “evidence” of my “anti-Semitism” if someone has come to a pre-determined conclusion in that regard. 

        Someone has convinced me that “the Jews” (same definition) came to the conclusion that Geert Wilders was anti-Semitic the first day he publicly came out as a Dutchman openly advocating for Dutch interests, and all that was left was to find the “evidence.”  They came to the conclusion that Glenn Beck = Hitler when they figured out that 90% of the people on Beck’s “worst of the worst” list just happened to be Jewish, and again, all that was left was to find the evidence.

        Likewise, the kook black websites have deemed Paul Ryan a “racist” on the first day that he advocated cutting spending for welfare programs that blacks largely benefit from by as much as one penny.  All that was left to find the “evidence.”  Ryan could have married the black woman and these websites would have used that as evidence of “racism.” 

        As James Edwards says, Racism Schmacism, and as I’m sure he might say, Semitism Schmemitism.

        • Pandemonium

          Those black websites think Ryan is raciss simply because  he’s White.

          • ed91

             gee, imagine that

  • Athling

    I’ve resisted all the comments about it making no difference whether Obama gets reelected or not. That there will be little if any difference between him and Romney. After reading this article perhaps it doesn’t.

    • Albert

      One of his siblings is actually married to a Black woman.

    • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

      What you wrote on another Article is beyond my comprehension.

      I know what my (me and family) past is but I don’t have that.  I have everything from rape to cancer to homelessness to poorism to mental illness to crime to success to losing my children and more but I don’t have what you had.

      How do you do it?  How does one lay aside, the disappointments, the undue and too soon to be had, hurt?  I mean, how do you manage to speak so calmly?  Or, to put it another way, how do you cope with all that is going on that is forcibly put upon you on top of all that you have unjustly been forced to “accept”?  I mean, with the Loss of your Family.

      I’m sorry I asked but hope you understand why I ask.

      • Athling

        I would say that time being a healer of wounds, that old truism, has had an affect upon me. My wife was a trusting soul and was not racially aware. Had she been the tragedy would have been avoided.

        To that end I try to make as many of our people racially aware as I can so that no one else will have to suffer what we did.

        This website provides a valuable service for doing that too. We are only here for a short time. Let us make the most of it.

        I replied to others about it in the other thread. You can see my answers there. Enough about me though… Thank you.

  • Templar

    Ryan is weak. Boo hoo, his friends made comments and he calls that racism.

  • Ulick

    “He told Milwaukee Magazine in 2005 that his political mentor the late Jack Kemp… ‘taught me a lot, too’ about broadening the Republican Party’s appeal to blacks.”

    And nearly twenty years since Kemp’s heyday the most recent poll showed 0% black support for Mitt Romney.  So much for broadening that appeal.

    • Webspin

      and in another 20 years they’ll still be pandering to a group that will never vote for them. By them our transformation to Brazil 2 will be so far underway who will care. Sit back and be bemused by the self inflicted genocide.

      • ed91

        it’s already so far underway that there’s no hope for what we once were.

        only the shreds we can still save..

  • HadEnough

    I think this is a pretty useful article for us. To be sure, Ryan is not a perfect candidate but, remember, the  alternative was Boy Cuba.

    From this article, the black girl seems pleasant enough and her line that she’s still pals with Ryan, whether true or not, will make it tough for libs to paint him as a heartless, anti-minority Klansman. 

    Ryan is known mostly for his deficit-reduction plan, which ties in with tax policy. There are Democrats aplenty that believe even to discuss tax — and the fact that 50 percent of the population pays none — is racist. This article will go a ways toward dispelling such charges. To the liberal mind, “Ryan’s a tightfisted budget-cutter” is a lot, lot, lot less powerful than “Ryan’s a tightfisted budget-cutter and a racist to boot.” Statements such as the latter are now closed off to the mainstream media, who will now have to look for other reasons to trash Ryan.

    • Sherman_McCoy

      Of course, the more a candidate is trashed by the MSM, the more I like him.  

  •  In other words, Ryan & his Republican / Conservative ilk are quite willing to go along with the genocide of their own race while Pope & her people are going to remain loyal to their race.  With friends like these we’re all as good as dead right now.  Never mind, I’ll vote for Obama and help to awaken more white people. 

  • Woody Woodpecker

    This is very disappointing.

    I will still vote for them because there is no alternative, but the fact that Ryan has a positive opinion of a deranged, perverted, degenerate criminal like MLK really changes my thinking about him.

    • Sherman_McCoy

      We don’t really know what Ryan thinks, only what he says while attempting to unseat the mulatto.  Of course, he may really believe it, but on the other hand, he has to say these things to prove that he “be no rayciss.”  Regardless, his pandering will win his ticket not a single vote from the blacks, nor the approbation of the liberal press.  But telling the truth about Michael King might have gotten him a significant boost from us whites.

    • Kevin W. Cornell

      The alternative is not voting at all. I’ve come to the conclusion that in certain elections, such as the upcoming one, not voting makes a bigger statement than voting for either establishment candidate, each of whom represents one side of the same coin. In my mind, when educated people who care deeply about politics choose not to vote in an election it is a subtle yet profound indictment of modern political degeneracy. It is also deeply embarassing to our elites who yap about how the modern U.S. is supposedly the greatest and most free country in world history (due to all of their heroic leadership of course), and how the U.S. supposedly can and should spread democratic liberal values around the globe (often through the use of military force, as nothing says democracy and liberalism like the bombs, tanks and missiles produced by the military industrial complex).

      • Texan1st

        Romney/Ryan is as good as it’s going to get from this point forward.  If you plan on holding out this election thinking that a pro-White candidate will come forth in 2016 and be given the public airwaves so that they can reach 50-60 million people and win the next presidential election, you are mistaken.  Any candidate with a pro-White message will be mocked and ridiculed not only by the left but also by the fake conservatives on talk radio and Fox News, who will then convince their listeners and viewers who we should be throwing our support behind.  And you can bet it will be one of the establishment candidates that they stacked the primaries with.

  • The__Bobster

    ‘I am indeed a Democrat. That’s no secret. But although I have a different political association to Paul, I support him and wish him continued success.’

    Not enough to vote for him, I presume.

    • >”But although I have a different political association to (sic) Paul, I support him and wish him continued success.’

       Her 15 minutes of fame, and she ruins it by uses horrible grammar. 

      • Sherman_McCoy

        A relatively high IQ in the area of mimicry  doesn’t translate into the ability to formulate grammatically correct sentences; only to assemble phrases one has heard repeated in the past.  The upshot is that a black can sometimes sound educated, but it is doubtful that it understands completely what it has just said.

  • The__Bobster

    At least I don’t see him having a MLK money bomb, like a certain non-neocon.

    • redfeathers

      Bobster, who was that neo-con?

      • The__Bobster

        The non-neocon? Ron Paul.

        • Sherman_McCoy

          Or did it just happen to fall on National N* Day?

  • Dr. Möbias

    It is impossible for a Republican to demonstrate that he is not a racist.  It cannot be done.  To leftists, all whites are irredeemable racists.  He dumped his black girlfriend to marry a blonde white girl so he’s a racist.

    They’ll say he had his “fun” with a black woman but would never marry one, just like a plantation owner.  

    • Saw a black guy on Facebook today complaining about Eastwood’s speech being “a bunch of texas cowboy you work for me boy bulls***” So, yes, there is no winning on the non-rayciss issue if you are a GOP.

    • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

      Sir, if I may, I would like you to please write “some plantation owners”  Not all White Southern Farmers were interested in non-whites.  I really hate that assumption.

      I come from Farmers and while we did and still do have our black pickers, ain’t none of ’em ever been so close as to have those kinds of relations.  Not our old cleaner, no one.  And our cleaner was Grandpa’s best friend.  She mostly just drank with him than she ever did any cleaning but intimate relations?  NO!

  • I heard about this on the radio and that’s when I decided, to hell with it.  I’m not Voting this year and it’s BECAUSE there is now, not just one non-white panderer running there are two (romney/ryan).

    I have resigned to just planning to head for the Hills and wait instead.

    • Sherman_McCoy

      Just remember to take along plenty of beans, bullets, booze, and bullion, my dear.

      • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

        Unfortunately for me, I’ll have to give up my Love for Alcohol.  And Music too..

        No Waste is what I believe in…  Genuine Country Music is Worth Saving though.  And America.  She’s Worth Fighting For.  I Love My Country.  Kill me now and be done with it or let me and My Country be is what I say.

        As for heading to and packing up, I know.  These days, it’s equivalent to camping.

        • Marcy Fleming

           Don’t do it, alcohol is fine and so is good music, not rap.

          • JohnEngelman

            Good music is classical music. 

    • Marcy Fleming

       Whether you vote or not, stay in there fighting, Stephanie ! We need you. Ryan’s another fool. He’s not important. Our victory is. We really can’t escape, we have to stand our ground and then go the offensive.

      • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore


        I’m not so sure I can do anything worthy.  Calling, writing, complaining, pointing out absurdities, etc. does nothing to change anything and you know that as well as I do.  I could say to you, and how many times and how much time have you yourself wasted on these supposed leaders of ours? and you’d tell me, too many and too much and all of it to no avail.

        I’m not trying to be smart, it’s just, I think you know better than I, those lawmakers of ours see us, not as a voting bloc, but as an impediment to their cause.  Yes ma’am, I’m getting paranoid over here and am beginning to believe they really are set against us.  What’s so hard about treating people equally?  (no AA, set-asides…)  No, instead, here we are, listening to them telling us how “white racism” is alive and well.  I feel like I’m living in Bizzaro World.

        I mentioned once, we need to make a date and call Congress and shut down their phone lines like NumbersUSA did a while back about the amnesty but given how our message would be about True Equality, I doubt we could get them to play along.  You know those Traitors are not interested in making non-whites play fair.  Sorry for the rant but Thank You for listening!

  • No, it’s the same. What happened to my picture of The Confederate Battle Flag?

    • Unless you changed it, it was the Disqus AMC Gremlins at work.

      • No Sir, it’s definitely facebook.  The Confederate Battle Flag has been been banned.  I’da preferred if they’d just tell me they hate me and banned me instead and leave that Flag alone but hey, since when I’ve ever got what I wanted?

        I am currently looking for another Confederate Flag.  I like The Seven Stars but, I prefer the newer version ’cause for me, it’s just prettier but anyway… 

        • You could register straight on with Disqus and upload a Confederate Flag avatar directly to Disqus.  

          Git’er done.

          • Ahhh, Thank You.  I will do that.

          • Kiki

            Just read your piece on the asians and was sooo shocked. Thought you whites loved them. They are only practicing what whites practice. The fear you had of them was amazing.

      • No Sir, it’s definitely facebook.  The Confederate Battle Flag has been been banned.  I’da preferred if they’d just tell me they hate me and banned me instead and leave that Flag alone but hey, since when I’ve ever got what I wanted?

        I am currently looking for another Confederate Flag.  I like The Seven Stars but, I prefer the newer version ’cause for me, it’s just prettier but anyway… 

        • Pandemonium

          Try the Bonnie Blue.

          • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

            Beautiful she is but, I’m gonna save her for last.  As it stands, this is the one that brings the unknowing but brazen non-whites and “whites” to stuttering madness and that’s why I choose to Fly her.  My purpose is, it draws the eye and because it draws immediate “hate”, they do read the posts accompanied with her.  That is a secret that I will never write twice.

  • Ryan was the choice because of this.

    “Throw the “racist” tag at us now, Mr. Obama, my veep loved drilling for oil, and his brother still does.”

    • >>”Throw the “racist” tag at us now, Mr. Obama, my veep loved drilling for oil, and his brother still does.”

      Or … “You environmentalists criticize us, but at least the policy of our ticket on offshore oil drilling is consistent.”

  • It would be one thing if Paul Ryan learned from his mistake.  I recall reading here in AR from time to time from white men who admit to dating black women when they were young.

    But Paul Ryan didn’t learn anything, because he still glorifies MLK and Jack Kemp.  If Jack Kemp was such a great political winner, then why did he average 5% of the vote and almost no black votes in Republican primaries in 1988 when he ran for President?  How could wooden Al Gore beat him in a debate?  (1996 VP), the same Al Gore who couldn’t beat George W. Dummy Bush four years later in debates?

    • >>I recall reading here in AR from time to time from white men who admit to dating black women when they were young.

       Yeah about 25 years ago, I did.   But I am to be forgiven: she had really large breasts, green eyes, was light-skinned, talked white and went to a Catholic school.  It’s when I called her house one day, her mother answered, and instead of finding Clair Huxtable it was Moms Mabely and she could barely take a written message, I ran for the hills like the end of a 3 Stooges episode.  This girl had trained herself on her own, and with the help of Catholic schools, to act white!

      • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

        No Sir,

        You did it with her because you could.  White Ladies know better than to give in so quickly whereas, no offense to your black girlfriend there but, they act much more impulsively than us and that’s why you ‘got some’.

      •  green eyes?  Not even all whites have light-colored eyes.  That’s a clear sign of being mostly white.

      • OK John, you’re forgiven. Ego te absolvo.

  • >‘I am indeed a Democrat. That’s no secret’

    She didn’t swallow .
                                           (oops sorry dropped the keyboard) .. his political views.

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    Our Confederate Battle Flag is back!  Thank You God and My Man there in the Moderation Station!

    Facebook is a piece of Traitorous Trash like the rest of them.  This Flag is American and I still can’t believe it’s banned.  I’m still stunned quite frankly.

  • No news here, move along.  The white race is betrayed by another white politician. 

    (Except Ryan is not really white, he’s wolf.)  

  • This_Name_Doesnt_Exist

    He pretty much has to say this stuff.

    • I think this is the reason no one watched the Republican Convention. Ratings were way down from 2008. The blacks and mexicans are going to vote for Obama without thinking, just as one large mass, and me, I’m going to vote for a White man. I’d vote for a dead White man before I’d vote for a live black. I don’t need to hear Romney speak, I don’t care what he believes- I’m simply going to vote for one of my own kind. It’s not much of a choice, but if that is all that we have for now, so be it. Romney isn’t going to ride into town and save the day, I don’t assume anything will change, but you’d be surprised how much good money I’d pay to not have to look at Barack Hussein’s chimp face.

      • ed91

         I’m not so sure all the mexicans are going to vote for obama……….  they know the jobs are down…………
        even some blacks know that obama is bad news for the country……..
        that being said……..  romney/ryan aren’t the best we could do by any stretch……..  they still want to give america away to the 3rd world, they’ll just do it slower

        • Well, the only way we would actually see some change in this country would be to use lots and lots of explosives among other things, but since the chosen people have only given us two choices as usual, I’m going with the White guy, as I would sooner poke my own eyes out than vote for a “man of color.” (That’s going to be my new term for black people because I don’t want to get edited by a moderator.)

          • And, as someone I read regularly said, Once the White Guy is in office, shout ‘UNCONSTITUTIONAL’ at EVERY INSTANCE of him trying to be a neo-con AshkeNAZI advocate, big-buz RINO- utterly confront him on EVERYTHING. He’s buying us Whites time… that is all.

  • Church_of_Jed

    Did any of you get the horrible but honest feeling watching the RNC that our White privilege is just as doomed with the GOP as with Obama, but only with a bit more nuance and finesse?

    • Pandemonium

      Tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum.  You pick which is “dum”. It doesn’t matter.

      • holyflower

        It matters. 

        Just think about what kinds of people you want issuing rulings  from the Supreme Court and lower federal courts.  If you liked Obama’s first two picks for the Supreme Court — Sotomayor and Kagan — you get more of the same if       he gets another term.

  •  “Pope, an I.T. specialist and realtor living in Chicago, denies that they experienced any racism as a couple.

    Ryan -‘I just experienced some ugly comments, some racist views from people who I thought were friends of mine.’

    Pope says they experience no racism.  Ryan says he experienced racist views.  Sounds like Ryan might be pandering and making things up. 

    Pope seems to have done quite well financially for someone in her early 40s, and in the private sector.  She doesn’t seem to be an affirmative action do-nothing or sucking off a government job.  Strong looking trapezoid muscles too.  Maybe, Pope would be the better VP candidate.

    • RisingReich

       I was going to say her noticeably exceptional ascendance in the IT field from simple worker to owner of an IT ‘consultancy’ is a pretty large red flag, at least to me.

      It doesn’t happen that way for most.  

  • KenelmDigby

    So Paul Ryan is an avid reader of ‘The Economist’ and ‘The Wall Street Journal’.

    I know very, very little about Paul Ryan, and haven’t cared to research him further, but based purely on that snippet mentioned above Kenelm Digby writes off the man, Paul Ryan, absolutely and completely, and writes him off until the day he dies, or leaves politics. Kenelm Digby has absolutely no doubt whatsoever in this opinion, the soothsayer in him predicting that it is the direst possible warning the gods will ever give you about a politician’s destructiveness and uselessness.

    You have been warned.

  • “‘I am indeed a Democrat,” says Pope.  

    Sounds like Miss Pope would not swallow Ryan’s political views.

  • Dan Reardon

    Oh boy..Another self loathing White who found his way into politics.

  • refocus

    Someone observed that the 2008 election was the clear signal that beginning of the end for White  had arrived. 

    The selection of Ryan with all his negro relatives plays right into this.

  • She’s cute.

  • If Romney chose Charlie Sheen as his running-mate it will still be better than having the socailst-Kenyan in office. No contest, I am voting for Romney.

  • Harumphty_Dumpty

    Whites have been romantically and sexually involved with persons of other races throughout American history, but in small enough numbers that any problems such liaisons caused were commensurably small.

    But unlike in the past, today anti-whites are successfully carrying out a massive program of flooding all white countries with non-whites, and then forcing whites by law to integrate with the non-whites so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.

    So sixty years ago when you saw a black/white couple, you were just seeing an oddity that may or may not have made you feel uncomfortable.

    But today when you see a black/white couple, or any other non-white/white couple, you are seeing white genocide being carried out before your very eyes.

  • To dissent a bit- I have some kind of respect for her current husband, Thompson. He refused the voyeuristic press. I mean, this would be humiliating, discussing in detail love & sex life of his wife with her ex-boyfriend.

    Regardless of race, this would be really both pornified & embarrassing.

  • Does anybody else think the moderator is being super hard in deleting  posts in this thread?  Who’s on duty this weekend??  Not just mine, but other peoples.

    • 1.  I agree with you.  The moderator IS being super-hard when it comes to this thread.

      2.  Who’s on duty this weekend?  Need to know basis.

      3.  What’s so sensitive about this?  I’ve already explained it.

      • Would you mind cutting and pasting that explanation?  I just did a search on the word “moderator” and did not find any such explanation.  I think there’s still a lot more to be said about this subject, probably things you haven’t even imagined, but I don’t know whether to waste the effort if I don’t know what the rules are.   The only thing that I am gleaning from the moderator’s actions in general here at is: You can say anything you want to if you have “science” behind you, but try to do anything lyrical and you’re liable to get your post deleted.     So this is a website of scientific racial inquiry only.  

        • Sorry, I have my threads mixed up.  It was in the other story from Friday about a WM-BF relationship.  Our point is that stories that involve interrelationships get our passions high, so we have to be extra vigilant in moderation.

      • TomIron361

        Sir, you’re not doing your job. Try to moderate the discussion, not thwart it.

    • anarchyst

      Criticizing the “tribe” will get your posts deleted . . . blacks don’t do anything on their own (besides crime).
      To solve the black “problem” one must look at WHO the “movers and shakers” that influence black (and traitorous white) attitudes , , ,

  •  What did George do that was negrophilic?  Is he in any way responsible for the Detroit mess we have today perhaps?

  • toldev

    Raising this issue is more likely to cost Romney/Ryan black votes. Black women generally do not like miscegenation and black men only condone it if the woman in the relationship is white. Of course Romney/Ryan and their advisers can not see this because they have drunk the black people can’t be racist kool aid.

    The fact that many republicans think that they can win black votes on the issues shows how widespread egalitarian thinking has become in the party. Lets just say you ask an average black what the October revolution was, what the white army was, and what the great leap forward was. You would probably get answers such as: something to do with Halloween, the Klan, and the civil rights act. Such a person simply does not have the intellectual capacity to weigh the pros and cons of capitalism and socialism. This is why it is a waste of time for republican candidates to discuss issues with blacks. This is also a lot of what is behind the racial solidarity in black voting patterns. Blacks do not have the intellect to understand the issues; so they vote for the candidate that looks like them or promises them free stuff.

    • You’re right-partly. Black women don’t like miscegenation, ONLY in cases when others- WW in particular- “steal” their, black men. Just, statistics show that there are more, percentage wise, White fathers to BW children than Black fathers to WW children. As I recall, WM-WW children account for ca. 80 +% of WW babies, and BM-BW children for less than 60% of BW children.
      Here are some tables:

  • Pandemonium

    Geez, from her pictures, I thought she was black.

  • I wonder if one day the be-all-end-all anomaly of the Token Negro will continue to be such a prized commodity when it’s the non-Whites talking about the Token Whitey?

  • Detroit_WASP

    Denetta Pope… that’s what I call hot chocolate!  

    • Harumphty_Dumpty

      Try to control yourself…surely there is some nice white woman somewhere who would be willing to have you!  🙂

  • Madame411

    I think this might net Romney/Ryan a few black female votes. Many sistas think fondly of white men who marry/date black girls. After this story came out some black female friends were suddenly commenting on Ryan’s  good looks, but were quick to add they would NEVER vote for him…I wonder.

    Of course the vast majority of them will vote for Obama, but the Rep ticket might pick up a small percent ( they won’t admit that to a pollster).

    I don’t get some of the negative comments here, Ryan married a WHITE woman and they produced three white children (that’s more than most of you guys have done). Tis all.

  • Dave4088

    I guess interracial dating runs in the Ryan family.  I wonder why some black men who date white women don’t have a catharsis, acknowledge the discrimination and suppression of whites and morally support David Duke?  Similarly, white women who date non-whites often become staunch advocates of the race of the male they are dating (or marrying).  This is attributable to brainwashing and a defect in European DNA that non-whites do not possess.

    My college experience was radically different from Paul Ryan as it opened my eyes to the predominance of radical left wing, anti-white influence in universities and the racial chauvinism and supremacy of black so called students. 

    • xk8500sl

      Michelle Obama was rumored to have lost her law license because of some irregularities as well.  It shouldn’t be lost on many here that black rule and corruption go hand in hand.  The link merely demonstrates like minded behavior.

    • Dave4088

      If asked, she would probably claim the white racism she suffered made her commit this crime.  For all the of the supposed white racism she bellyaches about, she obviously has no problem finding white male suitors.   

    • Thanks God for Daily Mail. They should be awarded AmRen special award- if it existed.
      From what I’ve read:
      * this woman has a white fetish. All three men in her life are white. Or- she doesn’t care about race & has calculated that with liberal whites her chances for “good life” were higher than with unpredictable blacks.
      * evidently, she’s an ambitious opportunist. She wants to succeed in life, and the success means money and status- not family, nor children, nor some creative or spiritual effort or accomplishment.
      * as for fraud, I don’t see that as something peculiarly “black”. This is ordinary immoral behavior of social climbers.

  • If diversity isn’t forced, why is there affirmative action & racial employment quotas?
    If diversity isn’t forced, why aren’t White People allowed to vote to stop mass non-White immigration into White countries & only White countries?
    If diversity isn’t forced, why is integration of ALL & ONLY White communities forced?
    If diversity isn’t forced, then you describe the diversity we are forced to accept?
    Anti-racist = anti-White

    • Harumphty_Dumpty

      Good post! But that last line as you’ve written it will get you in a tangle when you’re imposing terminology on anti-whites and putting them on the defensive, trust me! Also, if you think about it, it doesn’t quite mean the same thing as the correct way of writing it,

      “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”

      Sorry to have to offer a correction, but it’s an important point to the man who took some years to develop the phrase as a truth and as an attack weapon, and to develop the other weaponized phrases and content that that phrase is a part of.

      And of course it’s also important to the rest of us at the site he founded to spread those phrases and content.

      Maybe you could still edit in a correction if you’d care to…then others from that site won’t come along and beat up on you! 🙂

      Thanks to you and the readers and the moderators for hopefully allowing my not-strictly-on-topic correction.

    • anarchyst

      Blacks are incapable of influencing societal change on their own.  One must look at their “handlers”.  It is well-known that a certain “group” ws behind the so-called “civil rights (for some)” movements of the 1950s and 1960s and are STILL wreaking havoc on our society . . .

  • Pelagian

    Two white husbands and a prominent white boyfriend.

    What some men won’t do for pancakes every morning. (-;

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    We (friends of mine) used to just run our trucks right through the woods.  One time, we were bounding over such rough terrain, the battery came clean out its socket.  We had to put it back and reconnect it ‘fore we could git going again naturally but what fun we had!

    For us, we mostly just went riding into the hills for partying really.  There’s nothing like hanging out in the woods.  And camping and just walking.  I love the mountains.  It’s the only place I really feel at Home.

    And the water from the streams.  Cold and Fresh like no one’s business.  I’m extremely grateful for having the God Given True Shenandoah Valley before the non-whites came along and ruined it.

  • JohnEngelman

    Jack Kemp’s contribution to American political thought is the belief that it is always a good idea to cut taxes, and never a good idea to raise them. That delusion is responsible for the rise in the national debt that Republicans like Paul Ryan are using in order to try to cut popular middle class entitlements. 

  • JohnEngelman

    In the United States miscegenation is not an issue any more 86 percent of Americans approve of it, up from four percent in 1957. 
    The civil rights legislation of the 1960s can be more narrowly interpreted. It cannot be repealed. The future is multi racial. The America of white supremacy is an America that is gone with the wind. 

    • You’re naive. All these polls are worthless. Although anonymous, most people think, for various reasons, they could be tracked & perhaps punished if they express unorthodox stances and so- lie.
      In other situations, women- polled anonymously- invariably lied about the number of sex partners before marriage, telling ca. half the real number. An interesting experiment unmasked these lies:

      We can only guess what’s the percentage of White Americans re miscegenation. Maybe the right answer could be gathered from marriage, cohabitation & birth statistics. My guess is that among “liberal” elites miscegenation approval is anywhere between 3% and 30%, and among most White people (90%), it’s safely below 10%.

      Your 86% Gallup figure is from Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, white liberals and scared ordinary Whites. One may add indoctrinated people who simply don’t think, just act as told by TV brainwashers.

      • JohnEngelman

        About 15% of all new marriages in the United States in 2010 were between spouses of a different race or ethnicity from one another, more than double the share in 1980 (6.7%).  
        By refusing to accept facts documented by credible sources, simply because you do not want to believe them, you illustrate the truth of Jared Taylor’s essay, “Why Everyone Else is Wrong.”    

        •  You are naive, as I said. Just look more carefully at the data & you’ll see that Whites marry within their race even more. It’s others, non-Whites, that marry out more.

          White men marry White women 94.7%; Women- White men 95.6%. The rest are mostly White Hispanics.

          Your link is this:

          Just, with all 15% more etc., it avoided “unpleasant” truth- ca. 95% marriages involving a White person is to another White person. If we count White Hispanics as “Whites”, you got ca. 96-97% intra-White marriages percentage.

          There you are.

          • JohnEngelman

            Initially you denied Gallup’s figure of  86 percent of Americans who favor interracial marriage. You did so with the unprovable assertion that most of those 86 percent lied to Gallup.
            Then I quoted another Gallup survey that says that since 1980 the rate of interracial marriages has more than doubled. That is a fact that is easy to verify. 
            My points, which I consider to be verified, are that in the United States opposition to miscegenation is dwindling, while the practice is increasing dramatically. 
            The reason this is important to this website is that political movements win by getting in front of popular issues. They do not win by championing issues that have been irreversibly lost.

          • Are you capable of rational discourse ? Or more interesting in pushing your own IR agenda ?

            I DO NOT deny that IR marriages have increased by percentage pew had published. However, you IGNORE the fact that 95+% of marriages involving one White person are to another White person. So, you MISINTERPRET even pew percentages, which for White people are irrelevant since they almost exclusively marry within their own race.

            “Growth” means little. If starting value is small, even 200% growth will result in still small amount of the value discussed. As I said: Gallup’s 86% means NOTHING to Whites, who in 2009 and 2010 married 95-96% intra-racially.

            But, you conveniently “forget” about this statistically HARD facts- unlike some polls. Because these hard facts:

            * devalue Gallup poll’s relevance by their sheer weight
            * put pew stats in proper perspective as something virtually irrelevant to the White race.

            I am aware that IR involving Whites has grown in past 30 yrs. Then, it was close around 1-2%; now, it’s around 4%. It is doubled in past 30 years for Whites. But that “doubled” means 4%, and even less if we count White Hispanics.

            White people- European Whites- are now ca. 66% of US population. Just, they marry White 95%, not 66%. Despite all Gallups and pews.

    • John, thanks for that statistic.  It is astonishing and thought-provoking, even if half of  the margin can be explained away by poll-taker bias.  How can something be “so wrong” 1 min. and “so right”  the next?  A lot of explanations…. but it’s worth meditating on.  Especially since a good 75% of the people had biblical/Catholic authority reasons to be against it.  What happened in the intervening 50 years?  Did the Bible change?  The Catholic Church change its fundamental beliefs?  And what happened to the nonreligious people that were against it?  Why did their opinions change?  (Of course they don’t have to justify anything they believe, since they are their own law and their own God.  But still, it is interesting that they did an “about-face”.)

      • JohnEngelman

        I have read the Bible from cover to cover including the Apocrypha eight times in seven English translations. I read the King James version twice. If the Bible prohibits miscegenation I missed it. Please include the passage, along with the book, the chapter, and the verse.      

        • I can’t help you there, because I am not a fundamentalist, or even a Protestant.  Since I believe “sola scriptura” is a heresy, you can imagine that I don’t keep track of every belief generated by an erroneous method. However, my statement was not arguing that anti-miscegenation was or wasn’t in the Bible.  My argument was that the Protestants who were polled in 1957, a good 75% of them, would have *believed* that it was in the Bible.  (And now, they don’t believe it).   This is because American Protestants of the 1950s would have always (or at least 75% of the time) referred to the Bible to answer a question as important as miscegenation.  

          I’m sure you’re aware that slavery itself was justified biblically during the 19th century.  So much more so, anti-miscegenation.

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    I don’t listen to nor abide by that “Supreme Court”.  It’s Illegal.  They have No Right to allow an Illegal Alien to Illegally Squat here and then MAGICALLY, give “Legal” Birth to Illegality.  That’s only one of many things.  Those who mean us the greatest of harm get the most “Rights” and all of it’s backed up by that “Supreme Court”.

    Let me put it another way.  You know your Founding Fathers’ would not look at The Supreme Court and give nods of approval.

  • JohnEngelman

    Martin Luther King was one of the most effective political leaders America ever produced. While bringing out the worst in his opponents he successfully cultivated the image of a humble man of God who was too good of a Christian to return for those opponents the hatred they felt for him. 
    His “I have a dream” speech is one of the most eloquent in the English language.
    More than any single individual, Martin Luther King made the 1960s what they were. It would have been a different decade without him. America would be a different country. 
    The Tea Party recognized this in August 2010 when they held a rally on the Lincoln Memorial grounds on the 47th anniversary of the March on Washington. 

    • This_Name_Doesnt_Exist

      Helps when people point to many examples from your life that show you’re not really a humble Christian man of God, but nobody listens to them, thanks to white guilt.

      Helps when you can spend your entire public career plagiarizing speeches and research from better minds that came before, thanks to white guilt and affirmative action.

      Helps when you have the backing of very wealthy and well-organized forces aligned against America that must not be spoken of, lest you end up like Eugene McCarthy.

      Helps when the propaganda campaign around your myths and legends is so effective that even fairly regular commenters on race realist websites paint you in a positive light and seem to be completely unaware that you weren’t nearly as popular and revered a figure in your time as you are now.

      • JohnEngelman

        Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s womanizing was unacceptable in a clergyman, and politically reckless. His academic plagiarism  was difficult to understand from a man who composed some of the most memorable speeches and essays in the English language. He did not use ghostwriters.
        Wealth and power were arrayed against him. Even John Kennedy thought his activities were making America look bad during the Cold War.   

  • holyflower

    So, Anon12, who the VP for the next four years will be is more important than who will appoint federal judges for the next four years?

    Do you want Democrat judges like Sotomayor-Ginsburg-Kagan-Breyer to constitute a majority on the Supreme and on the lower appellate courts? All such judges will by issuing rulings under a “living constitution” doctrine that means that the Constitution means whatever they feel inclined to say it means?

    Do youwant, for example, a Democrat-judge-imposed expansion of racial quotas, accelerated race replacement via more rulings favoring illegal aliens? Do you want an expansion of court-decreed housing integration, a revival of busing for racial balance in schools?

    These are just a few of many possibilities if a Democrat President gets to appoint federal judges over the next four years.

  • Miscegenation leitmotiv again. Just look at oil-driller Ryan’s family portrait:

    Forget for a moment about money, theft, politics etc.  Doesn’t this family, visually- father, mother & 3 children- look somehow natural, desirable &, well …. good. Natural, normal are words that instantly come to my mind.

    Erik Rush, a (black) journalist who had questioned Obama’s birth certificate wrote an interesting article a year ago, about his white colleague who dated a black woman for 3 years & finally broke with her. In an intimate conversation, he confided Rush that woman was OK, but he just couldn’t had imagined his children not being like him, i.e. white. Rush then made a thought experiment of himself with various types of WW, from Puerto Ricans to Nordic types. He wrote that while with Puerto Ricans he experienced a slight discomfort, with Nordic females, at the end of “white spectrum”- it was close to cultural shock & something viscerally wrong and out of place. The idea of mixed children- who would still be black according to our criteria- also didn’t appeal to him, and the imaginary family portrait of him, his “Nordic” wife & mulatto children appeared to him as something alien & absurd- like jazz theme in Mozart’s quartet.

    I’d like to see family portrait of Ryan’s brother.

    • JohnEngelman

      Bardon Kladian,      
      You dislike miscegenation. Do you think it should be illegal? 

      • We had this conversation before. No, because it is impossible. If it were possible, I would prohibit it, like incest or pedophilia- with Blacks and Mestizos especially. But, it isn’t possible, so we have to find other venues to diminish it & minimize its effects.

        • JohnEngelman

          Interracial dating and marriage are freedom issues. If you don’t want to do it, don’t do it, but do not want to interfere with the freedom of others. 
          America has always stood for freedom.                                        

          America has always been a melting pot. First into the pot went the nations of Europe. Now are going all the races in the world. The United States is a multi racial country that is evolving into one hybrid race.   

          The process is accelerating. There is no turning back, because most Americans do not want to turn back. When Clarence Thomas was confirmed for the Supreme Court most conservatives were glad to see him on the Court. Few conservatives cared that he had a white wife. That was 1991. Now even fewer would care. The America you want to revert to is gone with the wind.     

          • Bad_Mr_Frosty

            Wishful thinking, nothing more.

            Obama has erased all the progress made since the civil rights movement. Race relations are at an all time low and with a dying welfare state and increasing black crime, they will only get worse. Multi-racial societies are extremely fragile and once mutual hatred starts snowballing in always leads to genocidal race war. 

            Racism is a natural defense mechanism wired into the brain. It is much, much easier to hate someone from a different race than to accept them as kin. 50 years of the most intense brainwashing possible has only created a very fragile acceptance of diversity. This engineered acceptance is dying and will totally shatter within 10 years, probably a lot less.

            Your delusion of a hybrid race of all the most brilliant specimens of each tribe is silly. When in history has that ever happened? India has been a “melting pot” for thousands of years, are they all one race holding hands and singing under a rainbow?

          • JohnEngelman

            Preliminary figures indicate that, as a whole, law enforcement agencies throughout the nation reported a decrease of 4.0 percent in the number of violent crimes brought to their attention for 2011 when compared with figures reported for 2010. The violent crime category includes murder, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Collectively, the number of property crimes in the United States in 2011 decreased 0.8 percent when compared with data from 2010. Property crimes include burglary, larceny-theft, and motor vehicle theft. Arson is also a property crime, but data for arson are not included in property crime totals. Figures for 2011 indicate that arson decreased 5.0 percent when compared with 2010 figures.  
            Because the over all rate of violent crime is declining it is reasonable to assume that black crimes against whites are also declining. 

          • JohnEngelman

            Researchers analysed the DNA of 132 individuals with wide-ranging backgrounds from 25 diverse groups around India.        

            They found evidence of strong inbreeding leading to genetic groups that had been isolated from each other for thousands of years.
            Most people had a mixture of genes from two ancient populations representing traditionally upper-caste individuals and everyone else.
            The first was genetically close to people from the Middle East, Central Asia and Europe, while the second had an ‘Ancestral South Indian’ lineage confined to the subcontinent.

             The earliest people to inhabitant India were essentially the same race as those who settled Australia and New Guinea. These were subordinated, although not replaced by those speaking Indo European languages from the north. The Indian caste system has delayed miscegenation without preventing it.  Upper caste Indians have darker skin than Indo European language speakers in Europe, or even Iran. Lower caste Indians have lighter skin than Australian Aborigines.

          • Ingsoc

            Great comment, Bad Mr. Frost.

            I defy anyone to point to a successful multi-racial, multicultural state that wasn’t held together by force by a strongman dictator like Stalin. 

            Multiculturalism exists only in the fantasies of those who wish to genocide whites and dispossess them of their homelands, while they live in ethno-centric states themselves. 

            You are right that racism is normal and natural and part of human nature.

          • Melting pot my foot. We disagree & this is, IMO, not alterable. In most of his contentions, Buchanan was right:

          • Ingsoc

            Wrong, John.  “Melting Pot” is a concept used to dispossess white people from their homeland in the USA and other places.

            The USA was not intended to be a proposition nation or melting pot of different races.  Only free, white persons were eligible to be citizens until 1865 and America had restrictive immigration laws resulting in the Chinese exclusionary acts of the 19th century and in Dwight D. Eisenhower’s famed “Operation Wetback” in the 1950’s. Then in 1965 Manny Celler and his front man, Ted Kennedy opened up the floodgates to the third world.

            Who says white countries need to be multi-racial? It’s only by a forceful central power that multi-racial empires stay together. It’s not democratic. Has any white country ever voted to become a white minority society?

            White haters are forcing multiculturalism upon white countries. Assimilation and integration means white genocide. Without a homeland for white people to peacefully exist and prosper they will surly cease to exist. Diversity is  code word for genocide.   

            You may want to “melt” into that pot, but most Whites don’t.

          • JohnEngelman

            As of September 4, 2012 a plurality of 42 percent of Americans want to keep immigration at the present level. 35 percent want more immigration. 21 percent want immigration decreased. I agree with the 21 percent. 

            At the same time I appreciate the cultural diversity immigrants provide. It cannot be said that most Americans disagree with me.

        • JohnEngelman

          The kind of thoughtful and intelligent young people that NR would like to have as readers understand that there are problems and absurdities connected with race in our public life, and are happy to hear arguments pro and con about racial profiling, affirmative action, and so on…They are, however, determined to make the multiracial society work, they believe it can be made to work in spite of the hustlers and liberal guilt-mongers, and they are unwilling to read, say, or think anything that could be construed as unkind towards people of other races.                                                     
          – John Derbyshire 
          John Derbyshire is married to an Oriental woman. 

          • Yet, the same Derb wrote this:

            My ideal for a modern nation is a large majority ethnic core maintained
            by strict immigration controls, combined with maximum liberty for
            citizens within the borders, including the liberty to marry whom they

            Evidently, in the case of the US, it means permanent White European majority (95% intra- White marriages), which would be even higher in normal circumstances- normal stands for eradication of liberal perversions indoctrination.

          • JohnEngelman

            John Derbyshire was contrasting what most conservatives his age want, and what most younger conservatives want.
            Now I agree that Negroes and Arabs should not be allowed to immigrate to Europe. 
            Nevertheless, even before the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was signed whites of European ancestry were less than 90 percent of the American population. Not they are about 65 percent. The only way you can get them up to 95 percent is by deporting or exterminating millions of non whites. 
            That is not going to happen. Those who advocate it will lose credibility on issues where they could win. Winnable issues include restricting immigration,  intensifying the severity of the criminal justice code, and ending affirmative action. 

          • JohnEngelman

            When you advocate the “eradication of liberal perversions  [sic] indoctrination,” (I think you mean “perverted”) I sense you would like to deny liberals the right to express themselves, and replace liberal expression with your own variety of indoctrination.  

        • Bad_Mr_Frosty

          Originally it was illegal, but the law almost never had to be enforced. Most people saw it as a terrible thing and it was avoided. If people are allowed their own opinions on such things and not brainwashed by the media and marxism, miscegenation would fade away.

          Miscegenation is child abuse, being born between races just makes that poor kid’s life that much harder

  • holyflower


    The difference is in likely nominees of the two parties for live-tenured positions of immense power:  federal judges.

    Can you perceive a difference between recent Democrat Supreme Court nominees Sotomayor, Kagan (Obama), Ginsburg, Breyer (Clinton) and recent Republican Supreme Court nominees: Alito, Roberts (Bush II), Thomas (Bush I), Kennedy, Scalia (Reagan)?

    Souter (Bush I) turned out to be a left-winger, but  there is no uncertainty as to how a Democrat-appointed judge will “turn out”.

  • No truly racially conscious White person

    Hhahhah… you’re joking, aren’t you ? Man is a politician in contemporary USA. He is not a scientist, nor an ideologue, nor a social-racial visionary, nor a literary figure, nor a philosopher, ….

    Opportunist politician, that’s all.

  • Seems I’m a natural born racialist. No, she isn’t “hot”. She’s a good looking black woman in her early middle-age period of life. Frankly- I don’t know of a single black woman I’d call “hot”. Or beautiful.
    Some are “cute”, but that’s all.

  • holyflower

    What I hope whites “get” is that after Nov. 6, one person —  and one person only  — will be the next president of the United States.  It will either be Barack Obama or Mitt Romney.

    There are no other possibilities.

  • Try being rational.

    1. I made this table from
    For birth tables you have to register, then it’s free to make a table you want- it takes three steps. I’ve made maybe 10 + such tables & uploaded them to Imageshack.

    2. stats are realistic. For instance, when you compare data from 2007 to those in 1985- race-mixing growth is visible. Also, relative fertility of different races.

    3. the table you question is accurate. You just have to read it properly. Percentage-wise does not mean actual numbers. For instance, Whites are, percentage wise, more prevalent than Black fathers ro WW children. But- NOT in “raw” numbers. Since WW gave birth to ca. 4.5-5 times more children than BW, BM-WW mulatto offspring is ca. 2.5-3 times more numerous than WM-BW mulatto progeny. Just, percents are higher for White men.
    Also, very high percentage of “other” fathers to BW can probably be interpreted as Hispanic fathers; the number of WM- NA (Indian) children is actually less than marriage percentage, since WM-NAF (Native American female) marriages are more frequent than NAM-NAF marriages; relatively low percent of “others” in Asian case means that Asians females do not mix much with Hispanics or non-white Caucasians.

  • Explain?

  • ” the VP pick who described himself as a ‘big, big fan’ of Martin Luther King and is a staunch advocate of civil rights.”

    Then Pugsley’s a fool, and a race traitor, just like all the RINOS.

    • >>
      Then Pugsley’s a fool

      Correction.  Not Pugsley, Eddie Munster.  You had the wrong 60s monster sitcom.

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    I need to make sure I keep contact with those I care about on there first.  I rarely go on there but I will delete my account and in part, ’cause of what you wrote.  Thank You.

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    I don’t like race mixing.  I’m soft enough to allow True Love to Breathe but I’m too “racist” to believe it can’t be found in within your own ethnicity.

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    I’m on disquss now but will be gone the second they too choose to dare operate within the Walls of America while daring to deny her her History and Heritage.

    As for our enemies, most everyone with Power and a little bit of Money is dead set against us.  I’m starting to believe it’s all about Greed.  Jehovah seems to have no meaning and certainly, no power and Jesus, jeez louise, it’s as if He never even existed.  No one wants to act right these days.

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    I lived in a Town where, you could turn all the way around and see nothing but Mountains that were all of thirty minutes away at the absolute most.  Shenandoah Valley in Virginia.  Staunton.  I also grew up in Roanoke.

    West Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky and even Yankee Pennsylvania too, all are extremely Beautiful.  I’ve never been out West so I don’t know about the Colorado, etc. Mountains but even if I did, I’m sure I’d still prefer Southern Mountains.

  • $2000 is a lot of money for someone in their 30s to donate to a local political candidate.  I wonder if that was part of her “living large” on Ernst & Young’s siphoned money?  And since Ryan was still single at the time she made the donation, I wonder if she was still after his weisswurst?

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    Where’ve you been?  I missed you!

    I myself do not understand race mixing.  I don’t understand how one can go against their own.  Be friends with whoever you want but when it comes down to things like mating, ya gotta keep your Blood as Pure as possible.  I’m so strict on this, I wouldn’t allow Pure Blood Europeans to interbreed.

    Seriously, it’s not just color, it’s the whole Culture thing.  People are just different and Non-Whites and Whites have nothing in common.  white people who choose to date outside of their own are always giving up their own culture in order to take on the non-white one and I really don’t understand how they find that “non-racist” or, “okay”.  Like you, I won’t give up My Culture for anyone.

  • Most AR regulars either oscillate between extreme racial purism or whine about irretrievable past, blaming many WW in the process. On the other hand, yellow fever sufferers (or ideological promoters of miscegenation, particularly with Asian females) & IQ zealots promote their own agenda.

    But, one has to be realistic:

    1. WW are the most “loyal” women in the US, notwithstanding brainwashing & liberal decadence aimed especially at them. They marry WM, now-not before 30 or 50 years- at astounding rate of 96%, plus White Hispanics close to 2%. And forget not- in vulnerable young age, they are the chief target of promiscuity, miscegenation, black thugs promo campaigns via TV & other media. We here don’t have a single White woman who is married to a non-White man. But we do have – I don’t judge anyone- not a few WM with Asian spouses & certainly a few with Hispanic and Indian (feathers, not dots) wives. It’s OK with me, I’ve said many times that mixing with light “others”, in small amounts, is not detrimental to White race. Although- it has to be SMALL. And offspring has to count Socrates, Caesar, Augustine, Newton, Shakespeare, Euler, Beethoven, Michelangelo, Whitman, Edison, Tolstoy… among their cultural and identity-forming heroic progenitors- not Chu Hsi or Padma Sambhava. Did I mention Blacks ? No, I didn’t. It wasn’t necessary.

    2. I am certain that race-mixing of Whites would be cut in half, at least, had porn culture of instant gratification & promiscuity been simply censored out. We got in some respect similar situation to Rome 1 C A.D. (Tiberius, Nero, Caligula,..), just amplified 10000 times by ever-present media. Being aware that trash cannot be completely annihilated, I believe that whorish series like Sex & the City and other idiotic junk can be eliminated for good (along with celebrity worship & black astro-physicists). If Russians have in past 10 yrs produced remarkable films and series- I’ve seen some of them at Youtube- there is no reason US couldn’t at least do something similar (say, Deadwood). Just- keep the sluts & pimps out.

    3. Jews is a subject we won’t agree in near future. IMO, most of them are good & productive US citizens, while some 5-15% are Jewish ethno-nationalists without any grand plan for destruction of White race (save a few lunatics), but focused on their own well being & Israel’s security. As far as race politics goes, they are not allies, but neither are enemies. Perhaps the best policy would be to leave them alone & fight despicable enemies (SPLC, Wise) as loathsome persons, not as Jews. Anyway, more & more assimilated Jews, intermarried with White Gentiles, will naturally come to our side, willy-nilly.

    At the end- Jared Taylor is doing very good job in these trying times. His efforts are similar not to Lenin’s (completely different situation), but to Pierre Bayle’s or Voltaire’s. Undermining current smelly orthodoxies is the most important fight. Winning hearts and minds precedes the task of winning muscles.

  • Bad_Mr_Frosty

    It will, as it is only maintained through massive media brainwashing. Has anyone else noticed that the brainwashing machine has been cranked to full blast the last few years? Every commercial on TV has a black guy showing some geeky White guy how to be “cool” or has a black guy with a White woman. The Olympics were so anti-White I think it made a lot of White people uncomfortable even if they didn’t understand why. 

    They say it’s always darkest before dawn, we are now entering our darkest hour.

  • Bad_Mr_Frosty
  • Bad_Mr_Frosty

    A lot of those women are mulattoes or at least have a significant amount of White blood in them. 

  • Bad_Mr_Frosty

    Well said. I think the lighter blacks are more viciously anti-White and default to black identity because of the one drop rule. Even when they are half-White or sometimes 3/4 White, they know they will never be considered White by full blooded White people. Even some blacks will reject them for not being “black enough”. This breeds a resentment. 

  • Yes. I suppose she had a nose job. Plain is the best word.

  • Hahhahh…. de gustibus non est disputandum.

  • Bad_Mr_Frosty

    Glorifying promiscuity is the problem, sex should not be a recreational activity. Mates should not be thrown out and replaced with a new one. This is why the divorce rate is so high. Women get “bored” and leave their husband, usually taking the kids and house with them. Now the former husband has to see his children raised by another man, while he pays for it.

    Women are innately sexual, which is why discipline is so important for them. Today, showing sexual discipline and restraint is considered “uptight” or “oppressive”. According to polls, women are less happy today than they were in the 50’s. In modern times, women lack structure in their sex lives, in a sense, they have too much sexual freedom.

    •  “Women are innately sexual, which is why discipline is so important for them.” This is one of those grand generalizations I disagree with.

      Not only from personal experience, but from some studies and books and articles and … , I’d say:

      * men are “innately sexual”.

      * women are, on average, less sex driven. They are more emotional.

      * a part of women- I don’t know what percentage, but I think it’s well below 5%- are prone to promiscuity & have high sex drive. But, these women have partly “male brain”, higher testosterone levels and maybe other “manly” physical characteristics (“manjaw”). This doesn’t mean they are tomboyish, just that sex drive level is unusual for their gender.

      Also, pornification of societal norms has altered many things (the average number of sex partners, the age of loss of virginity, marital (in)fidelity, spousal discontents, relation to children,..).

      And- they need not to be “disciplined” (except in cases that is their chosen game for spicing up the erotic life). They are equal, but different.

  • I didn’t mention “Sex & the City” as a porn, but as an example of slutty trash TV propagates as an indoctrination tool in morality bending. As for Greek alphabet thing, I’ve said earlier- I don’t believe in it. Or, to be more precise: this may be typically American peculiarity, like obsession with sports.
    Here, in good old Europe (at least in my parts), there is no sharp division between athletic young men & “nerds” (or use whichever other category you wish). If there is any rule, it’s that “physical” young women- sportswomen- generally tend to gravitate towards sports males (a few of my friends are sport professionals, so I know it first hand); more “brainy” young females- never mind the study- are, as a rule,  attracted to non-physical, “brainy” men. Example.

    Irish-British novelist Iris Murdoch has had a rather promiscuous sex life, and the ultimate dominant
    man in her life was Elias Canetti, German-speaking Sephardic Jew, later
    Nobel prize winner in literature. He submitted her to various sexual
    humiliations and dominated her-and she enjoyed. And, physically, Canetti
    was nothing special- yet, in his approach he exuded dominance (with
    her- others had not been much impressed) and that’s what turned her on.
    So, sexually speaking, it’s power of will and intellect that is ultimate aphrodisiac, not muscles.
    Even much lauded confidence is overrated. I’ve seen nervous, insecure young men galore with “successful” erotic life- perhaps it’s a turn on for some kind of women.

    So much for sex.

    As for most females I know, ordinary women- they want regular, decent family life. That’s all.

  • Or … the race realist movement can be ridiculed by our detractors because it’s a bunch of humorless, unforgivng slobs who don’t know the meaning of “25 years ago” or “youth”.

  • You’re equating two things that are not the same.  A white man dating a black woman has a totally different significance than a white woman dating a black man. And if you dont realize that, you either havent been in the race realism movement long or you havent been paying attention.

  • Explain?

  • JohnEngelman

    Vietnam was unimportant to America’s economy or security. 
    This is what President Eisenhower had to say about Ho Chi Minh, “I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader.”
    Source: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mandate for Change, 1953-56 (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Compnay, Inc., 1963), p. 372

  • JohnEngelman

    The American Communist Party was active in the civil rights movement, just as it was active in the labor movement, and the anti war movement during the War in Vietnam. The U.S. Constitution defends that right. There is no evidence that Martin Luther King took orders from the C.P.U.S.A., and no evidence that he passed classified information to the Soviet Union.

  • I imagine that black women use the, “I’ll date a Whitey” threat to keep their black man in line.  Black men are probably incredulous, thinking that no woman would leave the more sexually proficient type of man for the less sexually proficient.  But by dating a white man, a black woman is letting her race know that “it’s not all about the sex” for her, it’s also about how she is treated.

    • ? How do you know that blacks are more “sexually proficient” ? What’s the way to know it ? IMO, it’s just a myth, like Jews poisoning wells or Germans being automatons following orders.

      • Does it matter, in the context in which I am proposing it, whether it’s a myth or not?  After all, “Once you go black, you never go back” … would have a pretty high recognition factor in the culture.  You never hear people say, “Once you go white, you never go back” for some reason.

        (And for all the, “sex is just a construct, it’s not real” folks who have somehow made it onto Amren: this saying only applies to women going black, not men who date black women.   The latter, it’s quite easy to go back, … I know firsthand.)

        • 1. “Once you go black..” is a Blacks’ invention, not corroborated in reality.

          2. Human sexuality is a very large topic & not quite appropriate for this forum. Just: sexually, Blacks are- according to studies and their reactions-
          unimaginative and boring (that’s why insistence on penis size as a sort
          of psychological compensation)- most sexually diverse, exciting and
          fulfilling games and playful situations have been invented by Western
          and Asian (Persians, Indians, Japanese) peoples (we in the West have had it all, from “Ars Amatoria” to 20th century sexology). Western mind has invented most of sex routes & detours and has expanded this area of human experience way above anything other races and cultures have had (although we lagged behind them in the Middle Ages).

          You seem to forget that most important sexual organ is mind.

          3. judging from tally of most promiscuous men, virtually all of them are Whites. Not something important, but, just for the record.

  • The organized fashion in which this story is coming out, makes me smell a rat.  

    You can’t win an election without Ohio or Florida.  And there are a lot of blacks in both states.  Therefore, you cannot win an election with 0% of the black vote, Romney’s present total, according to polls.  

    I think this whole thing is the Republicans trying to siphon off a few black female voters.

    Most politics, is not about issues, it’s about identity.  Blacks just*know* that Republicans don’t like them and are uncomfortable around them.  That fact alone, is more important than any policy of any kind.  That’s why the blacks voted Republican for the first 75 years.  As soon as it became clear that Democrats didn’t have the Civil War hatred for them anymore, they started switching parties.

    Paul Ryan’s having dated a black woman sends a signal to blacks.  I think even her sending a donation to Obama, and her statement “there is no secret that I am a Democrat” was a set up to try to show blacks, especially female blacks, the path to being comfortable in not giving up their tribal allegiance to the Democratic party, but still voting for someone else who is perceived to like them and find them beautiful.  

    Otherwise, why would Ryan – or *any* political candidate – take time out of his busy life to go to the wedding of an ex-con who had donated money to him around the time that she was stealing money from her employer?  That is a toxic association for most politicians.  And it was her SECOND wedding, and she’s in her 40s.  I don’t know about you, but I don’t feel socially obligated to go to people’s second weddings.  

    REASON: he wanted to show how good of friends he was with his old black girlfriend to try to win votes in November.  This makes the Ryan pick one of the most calculated racial VP picks since Buchanan chose Enola Foster.  

  • Dr. Möbias

    I defy you to prove this.

    Two biggest anti-white racists in the US: Braak 0bama and Eric the Holder.

  • AmericanTaxPayerNoMore

    Me.  I’m with ya just as long as you don’t ban My Flag!

  • Pandemonium

    While she’s black on the outside, her sentiments are White, that is, black on the outside, White on the inside…oreo (cookie).

  • anarchyst

    You mean the “tribal” commie whites…
    Best regards . . .