Joan Walsh: GOP Has “Doubled Down on Whiteness”

Andrew O’Hehir, Salon, August 15, 2012

Joan Walsh’s family, as she writes in her new book “What’s the Matter With White People? Why We Long for a Golden Age That Never Was,” participated in two of the great migrations of 20th-century American history. Joan was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., but mostly grew up in suburbia (first on Long Island and later in Wisconsin). As that happened she watched many of her Irish-American family members morph from bedrock New Deal-JFK Democrats into Nixon-Reagan Republicans. In her book, Joan tries to wrestle with this legacy as honestly and forthrightly as she can, without betraying either her family’s complicated lived experience or her own passionate commitment to social, racial and economic justice.

“What’s the Matter With White People?” is sure to provoke much discussion during the fall campaign, with its personal and historical approach to one of the most toxic issues in American politics: How and why the white working class became the Republican base, in defiance of its own economic interests, and whether the Democrats can ever win it back. Along the way it’s also a family memoir that captures a specific period in the history of Irish-American assimilation, one that resonated strongly with me (and will also with you, if you have immigrant roots), and an account of Joan’s somewhat improbable rise to fame as an MSNBC commentator, which came about in large part because she embraced her working-class, Irish Catholic roots. Joan revisits many of the questions of the bitter 2008 Democratic campaign between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton—which thrust issues of race and class back into the national consciousness—and argues that Obama now has the opportunity to embrace a broad, inclusive economic agenda that can both win this year’s election and help to heal the nation’s worsening caste divide.

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You write about the fact that your father was the first person in his family to go to college, and also about the fact that he remained a liberal Democrat when many others around him didn’t. Both of those things describe my father too, and many other people. This is a tricky thing to discuss, but what’s the connection between higher education and voting for Democrats?

Sticking to my father’s family, the three boys who went to college, all because they went away to religious orders, turned out to be Democrats. The three siblings who didn’t turned out to be Republicans. When I’ve said that before, it can sound like I’m saying, “Oh, the smart ones became Democrats,” and I’m not saying that at all. What I realized writing this book was that liberalism in my family could seem like a form of class privilege. We were in the suburbs, we were isolated from the changes in New York. Of course my values are firmly held and my father’s were too. But it’s easy for us to think that integration is great and school busing is great, because those things did not affect us, by and large.

But that division is very important. Obama’s real problem right now is not exactly with working-class whites. That’s shorthand for a lot of things. It’s really with non-college-educated whites. Those are the people in our society who feel the most besieged, and in every poll they’re the most pessimistic about their chances and the chances of their kids. Somehow, for a lot of complicated reasons, they’ve come to associate their problems with what the government has done for other people but not for them.

You know, on the left we often talk about the absence of social class in the American conversation, and no doubt we should talk about that more. But I’ve come to believe the division in this country is often more a system of cultural castes that is not purely economic.

Yeah, I agree. It’s cultural caste and it’s isolation, including self-isolation. You often hear this about isolated black neighborhoods, but it can be just as true about isolated white neighborhoods, where people never go into the city and live in a lot of generic fear. And when you don’t go to college you’re just not exposed to different ways of thinking and different people. Even if you go to an all-white Christian college, you’re likely to come away with somewhat different attitudes than if you never do it at all.

On the subject of white people, one who’s been in the news a fair bit lately is Paul Ryan. Obviously he comes from a very different social background than Mitt Romney. But he’s been proclaimed as “working-class” by many commentators, and you dispute that.

Absolutely. He is a child of privilege and comfort, born into a construction business run by his family in Janesville, Wis. I think Paul Ryan is a great example of what drove me to write this book. It has been so vexing to me, and so mysterious, that wealthy or upper-middle-class white people, especially Irish Catholics, have become the face of the white working class when they never spent a frickin’ day in the working class in their lives. And that goes for Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan and Paul Ryan. Ryan’s not as associated with the racism and the really nasty stuff, but his politics are just as nasty. His beliefs and what he wants to do are just as divisive and damaging.

But without irony, last weekend we saw him hailed as the white working-class addition to this ticket. And again, it works. I think it works in part because the media is so removed from any kind of working-class roots themselves that they don’t think about what that means. What that has come to mean is not that you lack a college education and work your ass off doing manual labor. It’s come to symbolize being closed-minded about abortion, being hyper-pro-military, being religious, being culturally very conservative. It doesn’t have any class content at all.

How much does the Romney-Ryan ticket represent a doubling down on whiteness? You can’t get any whiter than those two guys, and I don’t just mean their skin color or cultural background. They both seem like people with no experience of diversity, no relationship to the changing nature of America.

I think the Republicans doubled down on whiteness, and I think they have a problem. It could be a winning strategy, temporarily. They are making decisions that, well, it’s not great that Latinos and Asians don’t like us, but we have to double down on that base. This could get us through 2012, and we’ll worry about 2016 later. I would think that, as a Republican, you would think it’s a problem that nine out of 10 self-identified Republicans are white, in a country that’s about 60 to 62 percent white right now. One of our two major parties is a white party! It’s not named the white party, and I’m not going to call it a white supremacist party. But it’s the white party, and they don’t seem to give a damn about that. I think that’s a demographic and political and social disaster.

In the long game, they probably still have a shot at Latinos and Asians. If the people in the Republican Party who are not racists come together and say, OK, we have to write off African-Americans for a while, but we’re really going to make a play for these other groups—I mean, they have to do that. Otherwise, it’s demographic extinction. But for 2012, their only hope is to double down on whiteness and play Paul Ryan’s “makers and takers” card.

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You know, I was on the floor of the Republican convention in 1992 when Pat Buchanan made that famous speech about the “cultural war” in America, and I still think that was a moment of twisted brilliance on his part. You and I may feel that he’s on the wrong side of that war, but he correctly perceived that the people you’re writing about feel themselves cut off and divided from the mainstream of American society, especially the educated, multicultural people on the coasts and in the big cities. Moreover, they’re right to perceive themselves as being on the other side of a caste divide, and nobody really knows how to bridge that gap.

Absolutely. It took us a while to get here, and it’s going to take us a while to get out. We can start by talking about it differently, using less divisive language. Not writing them off, even if we can’t win them back. It made me nervous in 2011 when there were stories about how Obama could win without Ohio. They’re not talking about that anymore, and remember that Obama won the white working class in Ohio. He didn’t win it nationally, but he won it in Ohio. It wasn’t as though the “Hillary voters” were unreachable, or unable to see what he offered versus John McCain. And I think they’ll be able to see what he offers versus Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. The way we sometimes congratulate ourselves on being the Obama coalition—you know, we’re younger, we’re fun and flirty, we’re colorful, we’re on Twitter!—there’s no place there for 50-somethings who’ve lost their jobs and will never get the same kind of job back, and who can’t afford college for their kids. I think there are ways to talk about these issues that should give us a better chance than when we’re fighting on a culture-war level.

I think the president has begun to talk about it that way. You know, in the 2008 campaign, the hope and change stuff—“We’re the ones we’re waiting for”—had an edge of elitism. I don’t believe Barack Obama is an elitist, but the campaign could take on the fervor of the better class of people doing what’s best for America, and that’s never good. Those were the times I was worried, and I’m not seeing that in the 2012 campaign.

One thing I talk about a lot in the book is the idea of the golden age that never was. We made the political decision in this country to create a middle class, out of fear of communism and domestic unrest and fascism. The powers that be decided that it was better to flatten income and inequality, to have a 90-something percent top level of marginal taxation. There were engines of the middle class—mortgage insurance, highway construction, public universities, college funds—and those were political decisions. One problem is that people don’t see them that way, and another problem is that they didn’t help nonwhite people nearly as much.

This great apparatus that created the middle class excluded black people for a long time, and the suburbs had restrictive covenants, where certain people couldn’t buy even if they had the means. So we left a lot of people out, and all these white people got a lot of help. Government made all these decisions to help people that were colorless and odorless, and just seemed to be the background, like the air in this restaurant. People didn’t even identify them as government help, and then you get a situation where minorities say, “We didn’t get what you got,” and white people say, “We didn’t get anything! We worked for everything we got!”

It’s a fundamental divide of understanding, where you really need to change the terms of the conversation. And that’s where I think the president has been brilliant. There’s a new debate, where we have to recognize all the things government did to make an earlier generation of success possible. We stopped doing those things 20 or 30 years ago, and we have fallen into a horrible economic and social decline.

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  • If I saw Andrew O’Hehir or Joan Walsh on the street they would know what it felt like to play Knockout King.

    • Rocky Bass,

       DING DING, show them what they have won! A no expense paid trip to the emergency room and 6 months of painful, reconstructive surgery!

  • Rocky Bass,

    Could it be that they are tired of funding their own dispossession?

  • The way we sometimes congratulate ourselves on being the Obama
    coalition—you know, we’re younger, we’re fun and flirty, we’re colorful,
    we’re on Twitter!
    ***********************************

    This woman is stupid.

    • Rocky Bass,

       Stupid just seems way too mild for what this woman really is in fact, have you something stronger?

      • razorrare

        Stupid is a stronger term than “mentally challenged” so give Bardon some credit…besides…anything stronger than “stupid” may get censored…Two words come to mind…the first word starts with an F & the second word is “retarded.”

  • Deep, raw, painful ignorance. How such weak minded people are taken seriously by anyone is beyond me.

  • Ulick

    “It’s really with non-college-educated whites. Those are the people in our society who feel the most besieged, and in every poll they’re the most pessimistic about their chances and the chances of their kids. Somehow, for a lot of complicated reasons, they’ve come to associate their problems with what the government has done for other people but not for them.”

    Maybe, Joan, these whites that didn’t go to college avoided the most thorough and hardcore years of Liberal brainwashing which seem to have damaged your brain to the point that you hate your own people. 

    “It has been so vexing to me, and so mysterious, that wealthy or upper-middle-class white people, especially Irish Catholics, have become the face of the white working class when they never spent a frickin’ day in the working class in their lives. And that goes for Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan and Paul Ryan. Ryan’s not as associated with the racism and the really nasty stuff, but his politics are just as nasty.”

    Yes, because Pelosi and Reid grew up in the mean streets and that’s what has allowed them to have their fingers on the pulse of white, working class America.  And Walsh’s statement is so classic Liberal — if you don’t agree with her position, then your position must be racist or hateful.  On that note, Walsh has also equated the Drudge Report with Stormfront.  As Yoda might say, “The white guilt is strong in this one.”

    Finally, if Walsh really wants to know why the white working class has left the Democrat Party, then she should read this excellent article written twenty years ago but rings true today more than ever….

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/race/edsall.htm

    • JohnEngelman

      I think it would be beneficial to dismiss the concept of “brainwashing.” All of us base our opinions on what we experience, what we absorb from those we trust and admire, and what we learn from other sources. 

      • Ulick

        Thanks, but if I’m going to dismiss anything — it’ll be your opinion on this matter rather than accurately describing Liberal education as brainwashing.  Now, if Liberals chose to present their ideas to adults or presented counterpoints and allowed the audience to choose which viewpoint was more accurate, then I’d be hesitatnt to use “brainwashing”. 

        But that’s not what Liberals do.  Instead, they try to dominate academia so that they can inculcate youth with a one-sided perspective.  They know that children are impressionable and are more apt to accept what adults say than an adult who may feel more confident challenging differing opinions.  These Liberal academics also often make it clear to students that their grade is dependent on them accepting the teachers viewpoint as truth.  For these reasons, I think that “brainwashing” is an exceptionally accurate way to describe what transpires in most of our schools.

        • ed91

           by the same token, obama has to hide and disguise everything  he wants to do or that he believes in.

          If he told what he really wants to do or what he believes in, then even many stupid white women wouldn’t even vote for him.

      •  > what we absorb from those we trust and admire

        …such as cultural marxist professors lying about our people…

        > what we experience

        …raging, sanctimonious witch-hunt denouncements as a racist bigot hateful naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews if we don’t grovel piously enough…

        > what we learn from other sources

        …such as the liberals and respectable conservatives in the media who tell us that evil nazi Zimmerman shot innocent defenseless Trayvon in cold blood just to see him die…

        If you’re not brainwashed enough, they call you an unreconstructed racist and shun you until you tearfully apologize.

        Unreconstructed.

        • JohnEngelman

          Because those who go to college are usually more intelligent than those who do not, I am not worried about their ability to discern truth from falsehood.
                                         
          I do worry about the millions of white men who listen to Rush Limbaugh every day. As early as 1994 he was exposed as a serial liar.
                                                                  
          http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895/
                                                    
          Rush Limbaugh has built a career and become a multi millionaire telling his dittoheads things they want to believe that are not true.
                                                
          In addition, I worry about those who watch FOX News. In 2003 FOX News won a lawsuit protecting its right to lie.
                                        
           http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/
                                                           
          Respectable news media do not need to protect their right to lie. If they report something that is not true, it is a mistake, and they publish a retraction.  

          • ed91

             then why are you here?
            your slanted lies are doing less than little in convincing anyone you are anything but a foolish liar.

            you couldn’t hold Rush Limbaugh’s smoking jacket.

          • anarchyst

            John Engelman sounds like  a college “snob” that looks down on those who achieved success in life  without the typical “brainwashing” that many colleges provide.
            I am a self-taught individual (electrical engineering) who can converse with all types of people from high-school dropouts to PhDs on just about any subject from engineering and physics to the life sciences, law and politics and liberal arts.    It is interesting to note that many of the college types I deal with are surprised when they find out that I do not possess a college “degree”.  Most of them are comfortable with the fact that my education came from my own pursuits and not a traditional college curriculum.  However, there are those who “turn up their noses” and attempt to discredit my “education” because I did not “suffer the same hardships” that they did with their “ivory towers” education.  Sad to say, you sound like one of them . . .
            Mr. Engelman, you would be surprised how many talented high IQ people there are WITHOUT college “degrees” working with their hands as well as their minds in the trades and technical service industries. 
            All one needs to do is to look at all of the “Hahvahd” (Harvard) and “Yale” types that have made a mess of our once-great country.  Look around you.  Get your head out of the “college” sky and look at the many good (white) people around you.
            As a final aside, a noted Catholic bishop (Fulton J. Sheen) once remarked that “it is easier for an educated person to rationalize and justify evil”.  It turns out he was right.  The evil of abortion, justifying killing human beings for convenience is only one example.  The “pointy-headed intellectuals  that Alabama  Governor George Wallace spoke of were the “college-educated intellectuals that foisted the Immigration Act of 1965, the so-called “civil-rights (for some) laws, affirmative action and hate crime laws, multiculturalism and diversity mandates and the rest of the evils that permeate our society.
            I look forward to an intelligent response.
            Best regards,

          • JohnEngelman

            Eric Hoffer is one of my favorite authors. He never finished grade school. Nevertheless, as I have already pointed out the average IQ of a high school graduate who never went to college is 100. The average for a college graduate is 115. That is a standard deviation. 
                                                                  
            In various posts in this thread I have pointed out how silly it is to attribute the opinions of those you disagree with to “brainwashing.” 

          • anarchyst

            You appear to be talking about our “mainstream media” that did not properly “vet” the o’bama and is firmly entrenched in the Democrat party.
            Please note that as conservative as Fox news is, they ALWAYS provide time for those that offer opposing points of view and give them the time to talk without unnecessary interruptions.  Your organization FAIR is guilty of the very things that you accuse Fox news of . . .
            Your provided link to the example of Rush Limbaugh “lying” is suspect as much climate science is still unsettled.  There are varying valid points of view, one of that Mr. Limbaugh took.  I guess that he does not agree with your typical liberal world view of climate “science” and GAIA (earth worship).  Our SUN is the engine that affects much of the weather here on earth.   Keep in mind that volcanos DO eject much of what are considered pollutants into the atmosphere as well as the natural breaks in the earth’s crust from which much oil emanates.  Ever hear of the La Brea tar pits?? That’s OIL, my friend.
            I am sure that you are aware that FUNDING runs much scientific “research” and that FUNDING is quite often used to achieve a particular result.  Stray from the “plantation” of scientifically correct” thought and your funding gets cut. 

      • anarchyst

        I respectfully disagree . . . the concept of “brainwashing” exists in most of our “education” institutions.  Try countering a professor’s or teacher’s points with counterpoints and you will see your grades drop.  Disagreeing with a professor’s “ideology” quite often results in retribution in the form of lower grades, no matter how valid and persuasive your counterargument.
        Tenure for education “professionals” was put in place to protect professors who espoused unpopular ideas from vindictive college officials, but has been turned on its head by protecting those that are “politically correct”.   Those teachers with unpopular (read conservative) views are quite often ostracized by college administrators despite tenure.

  • Hal K

    The GOP is implicitly but not explicitly pro-white.   As long as conservatives remain afraid to be explicitly pro-white, the liberals will have them at a disadvantage.

    • Ernest

       Indeed

      As long as conservatives AND race conscience whites continue to obfuscate and/or run away from being white we will continue to be at a distinct disadvantage, continue to lose ground and continue to lose all we hold dear.

      However race conscious whites also need to wake up and realize that the GOP will NEVER embrace us and will NEVER be the political party that explicitly represent us.

      • Hal K

        I would like to see whites in this country put racial loyalty first and then let the two major parties compete for their votes, explicitly.  It is the opposite now.  Whites are loyal to their political affiliation.

    • Dr. X

      The party of Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice,  and Michael Steele is “implicitly pro-white”?  The party of “Juan” McCain and Jeb and George Bush, who proposed an amnesty for illegal Mexicans?

      Hah.

      Maybe a lot of its voters are, but it’s P.C. leadership sure as hell isn’t.

      • Hal K

        Not many of the white (or nonwhite) voters of the GOP are explicitly pro-white.  They have internalized the mainstream propaganda that says that liberals don’t really care about nonwhites and that it is conservative principles that can really help lift up nonwhites.  Most nonwhites know better.  (See also my reply to Anonymous. )

  • OPersephone

    Funny how none of these types ever offer up the simplest explanation for why more college-educated people tend to be liberal Democrats: because a modern college is essentially little more than a thinly-veiled Orwellian re-education facility where conservative working-class values are openly mocked and derided and liberal Enlightenment and Marxist values are pushed harder than crack in a Detroit ghetto. Only the exceptionally strong-minded can come through such an experience with their principles intact. Most end up with a kind of Stockholm Syndrome in which they are overwhelmed by the deluge of leftism and come to identify with the position of their masters, denigrating and disowning their former beliefs to embrace the “superior” values that – in such a cloistered environment – appear to be held by the entire rest of the world. After all, who wants to be the backwards, provincial, laughing-stock hick among so many worldly, diverse sophisticates?

    • Rocky Bass,

       I’m with Tom, BULLSEYE.

  • Church_of_Jed

    Criticizing Whites for their Whiteness is a federally funded social justice program endorsed by the DOJ. Look for Joan Walsh to win a Pulitzer.

    If a White criticizes a Diversity for doubling down on afrovoodoo, he will be excoriated in the press and then apologize and then get fired anyway. 

    White privilege will not be tolerated.

  • JustaWhiteMom

    Why don’t y’all go over there to Slate and give them a piece of your mind?

  • Biff_Maliboo

    I’m college-educated.

    If anything, the college environment encouraged me to”double down on whiteness.” There were a handful of us who laughed at the post-modern, anti-white, anti-American crap the professors were spooning out. Once you asked the teacher if we were studying something because of it’s intrinsic intellectual value, or studying it because of who wrote it, American Literature classes got very interesting. I had one prof on the verge of a nervous breakdown when I said Burroughs’ “Tarzan” stories were my favorite (they aren’t, but I was a pot-stirrer and knew what buttons to push). You’d have thought I said “Mein Kampf” was the greatest thing ever written.

    Anyway, the menopausal Joan Walsh has merely written another very lazy and “safe-but-edgy” leftard book destined to be fast-tracked to the discount rack.

    *yawn*

  • JohnEngelman

    From its support for the Republican Party the white working class has gained a lower crime rate. Since 1980 the crime rate has declined by one third. A major reasons is that the prison population has tripled. 
                                          
    During the 1960s the prison population declined. The crime rate doubled.
                                          
    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm  
                                             
    http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/lawenforcement/punishment.pdf  
                                            
    Unfortunately, the white working class has not benefited economically from its support for the Republican Party. Since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 real after tax income for the poorest 80 percent of the country has declined, while the richest one percent have become much richer.
                                              
    http://investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=971&mn=389436&pt=msg&mid=10153698     

    • Hal K

      The increasing wealth disparity has a lot to do with immigration.

      • JohnEngelman

        Immigration is one of the two major reasons for the increase in inequality in gross income. More immigrants mean more people. More people mean more consumers, and more job applicants. By the law of supply and demand that means higher prices, lower wages, and higher profits.
                                                
        The other major reason for the increase in gross income inequality is computer technology. It creates opportunities for geniuses to earn vast fortunes while reducing the economic value of jobs most people are able to learn.                                                                                    

        The Republican ascendancy is the reason for the increase in inequality in net income.  Since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 the top tax rate has declined from 70 percent to 35 percent.                                               http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213

  • Marc B.

    “How and why the white working class became the Republican base, in
    defiance of its own economic interests, and whether the Democrats can
    ever win it back.”

    The Democratic party showed the white working class that they truly didn’t give a rip about them back in the 1990’s when they embraced Free Trade (NAFTA, GATT, WTO), illegal immigration, affirmative action and their new favorite tool against whites; disparate impact. Not the the republicans are worth a damn, but no party has been so openly working against the interest of working class whites as much as the Post-Clinton democratic party.    

    “The Democratic Party is the party of blacks, women and gays.” -Donna Brazile, 2000

    • redfeathers

      Brazile’s very blessed, being all three.

  • JohnEngelman

     liberalism in my family could seem like a form of class privilege. We were in the suburbs, we were isolated from the changes in New York. Of course my values are firmly held and my father’s were too. But it’s easy for us to think that integration is great and school busing is great, because those things did not affect us, by and large.                                                 
    – Joan Walsh                                 
                                                         
                                                                                                               
    If one lives in a reasonably affluent neighborhood one is likely to come into contact with few blacks. These few are likely to be exceptional, or they are likely to accept subordinate positions without resentment.              
                       
    When blacks are in the minority most try to behave. When they are in the majority most behave the way they want to behave. In order to see what blacks are really like one needs to see them up close every day. Ones appraisal of them becomes even more accurate if they are in the majority, and one interacts with them on terms of approximate equality.
                                                    
    From that experience I like the blacks I know by name. I have also learned to take precautions with young black men I do not know. These are precautions that I used to think were unnecessary.                    

    • The more I’m around blacks the less I want to be around blacks.

      • Rocky Bass,

         That’s just YOUR white privilege talking, once it’s properly driven from you, you will love the company of as many blacks as you can find.

  • Global Minority

    Joan Walsh is a sick and demented Liberal. I wonder if she is married to a White man or married at all? Bet she loves cats! Save the whales type but is ok with the murdering of unborn babies so long as they are White. I can only assume where she lives, which is probably majority White.

    What is wrong with White people? She asks? People like her are what is wrong with White people. Just wait until she gets raped, robbed, beaten or killed by “diversity. Then maybe she will wake up? This is WHY women should NOT be allowed to vote. And before anyone on this board gets their panties in a bunch, I am a White woman.

    Oh where are all our brave White men that once protected their families, treated White women with respect, like animals and babies, worked hard, honest, fought to the death to defend their family and did the same for their fellow white man? They are either dead, married already or our gay and this is WHY we have people like Joan writing this self-hating dribble!

    • No, judging from the Web, she’s not married. Well, from my limited experience, women well into mid-life (she’s 53), if childless, are frequently- not always- not happy. If they are devoted to some noble cause or focused work (science, arts etc.)- children may not be of crucial importance.

      But, if they’re in the lime-light, socialites, essentially “show” people- they’re frustrated & angry. Not so husbands, but children mean much, much more to women.

      • Global Minority

        I agree, any woman I have encountered are miserable in the 50+ years with no children and no husband. They found out the hard way that “feminsim” is a lie a little too late and well past their child bearing years. That would explain why Joan is so bitter and mean. Misearble old hag!

        I knew a lady once that in her late 30’s she rushed out and got married, then by the time she turned 40 was in a mad rush to have a child, she had a couple miscarraiges. I thought to myself why did she wait so long for? I was half her age at the time. But she did have one child finally. She was quite the “feminist” and “career woman” she had a PHD from MIT. However, she learned it was all a LIE. She got lucky and married a really great guy, is a mom and stays home. She has never been so happy in her life. But she quite can’t bring herself to openly feminsim is a LIE. And that’s why she was so miserable prior. She even cooks dinner and does laundry too! I think it’s great. She emails me still once and a while.

    • redfeathers

      I’m a White woman too and I’ve often joked that things would be so much better if women weren’t allowed to vote!

      • OPersephone

        As a white woman, I agree whole-heartedly. I know correlation does not equal causation, but in all seriousness, things have gone rapidly downhill since men gave in and let women have the vote. And I’m no submissive wallflower, either; I am a strong, proud white woman in the tradition of my ancestors. But the fact remains, despite all leftist protestations to the contrary: men and women are different, and have different roles to fulfill in society and life. Governance is best left to men. In a good, harmonious marriage, a man and woman are of a like mind anyway, and a decent husband will always consider his wife’s opinion.

        • Governance is best left to men. 
          +++++++++++++++++++++
          Although statistically true, I think that American version of Golda Meir is always preferable to a sad spectacle of all post 1960s US presidents.

  • SirMarlowe

     
    In response to Joan Walsh: what is wrong with White people is that we have put up with types like her for far too long. This presidential election provides White people the opportunity to block-vote against a fraudulent and anti-White administration; it is an opportunity for non-college educated and college educated White men to lead the way in a resurgence of White ethics and values. Below is a suggestion for a show of unity:
     
    White Nationalist Presidential Election Strategy
     
    The following is a suggested strategy for White people – with emphasis on White men – for the upcoming presidential election. Briefly: the strategy is that all Whites – especially White men – should vote for Romney. (I’ll detail the reasoning below.) All of us are fully aware that there are other possible strategies: for example: White Nationalists should vote for Obama with the reasoning that things have to get worse before they can get better and, with Obama in office, we are guaranteed that things will get worse. Another possible strategy is to vote for a third party which would indicate that we are not satisfied with the two-party system. A third alternate strategy would be to not vote at all which would demonstrate our contempt for the whole system.
     
    Two Respectable White Men against a Marxist Black and a Goofball
     
    Now, to explain the strategy of all Whites – especially White men – voting for Romney: this would be a demonstration of White unity. The selection of Paul Ryan as the vice-presidential candidate makes it a ticket of two respectable, intelligent White men, against the fraudulent, Marxist-Communist, Black Obama and a not-too-stable Joe Biden.
     
    White Momentum is Building
     
    White men need to unite in some way in taking a stand against the liberal establishment, and this presidential election provides us with an opportunity for such unity; there is already momentum in this direction in that polls indicate that 70% of White men without college degrees will vote for Romney. The time is propitious for educated White Nationalists to recognize this momentum and to join it and further it. Political gains are often made when strategists recognize the direction that things are going (momentum) and take advantage of it.
     
    Show Women the Joel Gilbert DVD – No one likes being lied to
     
    We will not be able to count on many of our White women since women are physiologically and psychologically differently oriented, for the most part; however, we will be able to count on some of them. In order to convince them to vote for Romney, they could be shown the DVD that asserts that Obama’s biological father was the Negro Frank Marshall Davis, the anti-American communist organizer. (This DVD can be purchased online; the author is Joel Gilbert, and it is entitled: Dreams from my Real Father.) Supporting information can be found in Jerome Corsi’s book, “Where’s the Birth Certificate.” The lesson to be learned from this DVD and the book is that we are being flagrantly lied to by our president, a man we are supposed to be able to trust. No one likes being lied to. (The assertion that Frank Davis is Obama’s biological father is gaining in popularity and credibility: for example: Joel Gilbert’s DVD has been featured today (August 21, 2012) as the lead advertisement on the Drudge Report.)
     
    White Men Must Lead the Way
     
    One of the reasons that White men will not be able to count on the cooperation of White women in this effort is that women generally go with the power: they will throw in with whichever men have the power, the money, and the libido and, at the present time, White men are losing out on all three of these counts, and the picture is looking worse as time goes on.
     
    A White Block-Vote would be a Watershed Moment in U.S. Politics
     
    There are not many opportunities for Whites to unite in political causes; however, the current presidential election presents just such an opportunity. Obama is already way behind with White men in the polls, and this deficit could grow considerably before the election. My proposal is that we go with the momentum. Some of us may have to hold our noses when we vote for Romney, but the effect of a White block-vote against Obama will show the liberals that if Whites block-vote, we can still win national elections.
     
    In the 2008 presidential election, we witnessed how Blacks block-voted more than 95% for Obama and Hispanics voted at about 66% for Obama. Although a larger percentage of Whites voted for McCain than for Obama, the numbers were not overwhelming.
     
    Unify in a Single Strategy
     
    I propose that we set aside all of the other alternatives to voting for Romney in order to obtain the highest possible percentage of White voters for Romney, not because we are enthralled with Romney because there are plenty of reasons not to vote for him.
     
    Whether Romney likes it or not it would be a White-Racist Block-Vote
     
    Our objective would be to rack up such a high percentage of a White vote that it could be labeled as a White-racist block-vote. If we could rack up a 60 to 65% White vote for Romney, with 65 or 70 % of White men voting for Romney, this would set the minorities and the liberals back on their heels, and it would demonstrate that the White population is not about to roll over and cede control of this country to the liberals and the minorities.
     
    Not necessarily a Pro-Romney Vote But a White-Solidarity Vote
     
    From the perspective of a White Nationalist, this would not necessarily be a pro-Romney vote: it would rather be a White-solidarity vote. Even if Romney were to lose, subsequent White politicians will have observed the high percentage of White votes that Romney will have received, and they then will be inclined to address the needs of the White population.
     
    White Politicians Will Start to Listen to the Needs of White People
     
    To reiterate: once politicians notice that a White block-vote can get them elected, they will most likely start listening to the demands of White people – politicians being politicians. White politicians will emerge who will begin to openly address the rights and needs of White people knowing that they will be able to count on a very high percentage of White voters –enough to get elected.
     
    White Men must Unify to Offset Votes of White Women
     
    We must remember that we cannot count on many White women to vote with us in a White block-vote, but the White men of this country must start doing some things in a coordinated way. Given the frailties and inclinations of women, the White men must redouble their efforts in order to overcome the increased odds against us in light of our own women voting against our mutual welfare and well-being.
     
    A White Block-Vote would Further Polarization
     
    When the liberals and the minorities see that Whites – especially White men – are block-voting for certain White candidates, this will polarize them that much more. This increased polarization will eventually clearly show that it is a White versus non-White national political situation; when that is clearly established, the percentage of Whites block-voting should increase and, as long as Whites are the majority in this country, we will control the politics.
     
    Our Statement: White People will Block-Vote for White Candidates
     
    Were Romney to be questioned about Whites block-voting for him, he would, naturally, play dumb, and, he would rightfully deny any connection to any White Nationalist movements. But our statement will have been made: White people are going to block-vote for White candidates if the choice is Black or White. If, after winning election, a White candidate ignores the needs of White people, another White politician will come along who will be more inclined to adhere to the needs of the White population.
     
    This is an opportunity to demonstrate White Solidarity in opposition to a corrupt, fraudulent, anti-White Black administration: let’s take advantage of it!

    • Global Minority

      Good reasoning. However, I am a white woman and I find it maddening that white woman are still voting becasue they are gullible people as a group. They vote for their “feelings” It makes me gag! I hate to say this but my mother is one of those. If it weren’t for my father she would have run off and joined a commune with the hippies back in the day. However she does vote Republican because of my father. I don’t like either parites personally. I thought about just not voitng.

      Romeny is about as anti-white as BHO. Ryan is nothing more than a big government spender and he is for MORE WAR in the name of fighting for another country.

      When things explode here in America, ecomically and everything else fails and it will, our days are numbered. I would rather it fall apart with BHO in office, than with Romney in office becasue Romeny is white and once again it will be evil “whitey’s” fault once again!Let the half breed take the damn blame for once.

      • SirMarlowe

        Thank you for your comment and for describing my suggestion as “good reasoning.” Concerning your thoughts about not voting at all because you don’t like either party: as White Nationalists, none of us is satisfied with the two major parties; unfortunately, we do not have a viable White Nationalist party to compete in the political system as it now exists; therefore, voting for a third party or writing someone in would not be effective at all. Not voting would not be effective either.
         
        A concerted effort by White Nationalists to vote for Obama would be effective if the objective were to put Obama back in office so that he could dismantle the U.S.A. even more than he has already and speed the way to total collapse.
         
        However, it appears that we have the opportunity to make a very clear White­America statement in this presidential election. We should not be concerned with what Romney’s and Ryan’s positions on the issues are – they certainly can’t collectively be any worse than Obama’s. Our objective is to make a White Racial statement.
         
        If a large White block-vote were amassed for Romney, it would show the liberals and minorities, it would show Republican Party candidates, and it would show White America that we can do something in a unified way to such an extent that we can influence the outcome of elections. That is the objective of my suggestion: to build awareness of Whites acting in concert against the liberals and minorities.
         
        As I stated in my suggestion above: the momentum is there: the Republican Party already has the reputation of being the White Party: Let’s make it overwhelmingly so.
         
        This is the best we can do at this time: as far as which party is in office when things clearly go to pot: it doesn’t matter. Neither party is a White Nationalist party…at least, not yet. However, there is the chance that one day a White Nationalist could take the Republican Party nomination away from their endorsed candidate.
         
        White Nationalists do not have many chances to make a racial statement on the national level; the opportunity is now present: we should take advantage of it!
         
        For Global Minority: you characterize my suggestion as “good reasoning,” but you then indicate that you will vote for Obama. Your concern is that the U.S. economy is going to fall apart during the next four years, and a White man would take the blame if Romney were elected. I think that the U.S. economy is too resilient to collapse within the next four years. Rather than voting based on the speculation that the U.S. economy will collapse within the next four years, I would recommend voting for White solidarity, which is almost a sure thing!

        • Global Minority

          Did not mean to give you the impression I will be voting for BHO. I could NEVER force myself to do that, period. Sorry if I came accross that way.

  • GravitonX

    This point may seem obvious but AngloAmericans have double down on their particular version of “whiteness,” (a term that seems to have strong resonance in their vocabulary) one riven with their history, vices, and fetishes, one that should be left to be uniquely theirs otherwise it becomes a burden to the rest of us who want nothing to do with it and rather it be contained. 

    In my observation, the Republicans and the Democrats are very different on a fundamentally moral level.  It’s not that Republicans are inherently immoral people.  On a personal level, they are the opposite in my experience.  However, the (almost hereditary) leadership the Republican Party has no interest in a egalitarian society, much less one with any moral social contract.  To that ends, they have mastered pushing the right set of buttons within their base, the non-college-educated class, to maintain a perpetual collective sense of victimization and rage.  And, unfortunately, this rage leads to hatred which leads to treacherous and poisonous thinking, which if left unchecked, irreversibly consumes the very sanity of it’s individuals.

    If there is ever to be any hope, it would mean the destruction of the Republican party as it is now known, to be replaced by one that embraces the future rather than worshiping (an albeit disturbing) a past that never was.  I hold out hope that those people can be rehabilitated (another belief contrary to Republican ideology) and redeemed.

    • ABM

      Your posts are Marxist garbage.

    • “To that ends, they have mastered pushing the right set of buttons within their base, the non-college-educated class, to maintain a perpetual collective sense of victimization and rage. “

      You’re speaking of Republican here?

      It seems to me that Democrats are the ones perpetuating victimization and rage. If there’s victimization and rage from the right (ie the Tea Party) it seems justified to me because if I’m being victimized by the government taking the  money I worked for and give it to others who made the choice not to better themselves, then I think I have the right to express my rage.

      “Republican Party has no interest in a egalitarian society, much less one with any moral social contract.”

      People aren’t equal. They never were and they will never be. Government can’t make people equal. It can only allow people to make choices, good or bad. Poor people have become rich and people born into money have become poor, not because of government but because of the choices they made. 

      “I hold out hope that those people can be rehabilitated (another belief contrary to Republican ideology) and redeemed.”

      So did the Khmer Rouge. Watch “The Killing Fields” sometime.  

    • Excellent post comrade, we will route those capitalist pigs once and for all!

  • ricpic

    I admit it, Joanie, I’m nasty. But not nearly nasty enough. Maybe when a million benighted nasties like me get really really nasty we can begin to get out from under the tyranny of our betters, like you, Joanie. Keep pushing, Joanie. It’s the best way to turn us nasties into really really nasties and then KAPOW!

  • Stentorian_Commentator

    What cracks me up is the assumption that voting Republican goes against the economic interests of working class whites.  Elements of the GOP, unfortunately those currently in control, support uncontrolled immigration and unprotected trade, but of the parties, only the GOP gives them half a chance of getting immigration under control and bringing trade back into balance.  Those policies would increase the demand for U.S. labor while limiting its supply to native-born Americans.  That’s the only way the white working classes are going to be able to get themselves a better deal.  Now if only we could eliminate the scumbuckets in the GOP who are keeping our borders open and leaving us vulnerable to trade practices designed to destroy our productive capacity.

  • KevinPhillipsBong

    “Joan Walsh’s family, as she writes in her new book “What’s the Matter With White
    People? Why We Long for a Golden Age That Never Was,”” 

    Okay, I have to stop here halfway through the first sentence of this article. The subtitle “Why We Long for a Golden Age That Never Was” is all you need to know about the liberal plans for white dispossession. They cannot lead you into tomorrow until they can get you to let go of yesterday. And the best way to do that is to tell you again and again that the ‘Leave It to Beaver’ ‘Brady Bunch’ whitopia never existed. There never was a yesterday worth holding onto, they say. The only possible utopia is a multi-racial government-from-the-top-down utopia, they say.

    “How and why the white working class became the Republican base, in
    defiance of its own economic interests, and whether the Democrats can ever win
    it back.”
      
    True, the Republicans don’t care about the white working class, but at least the Repubs don’t loathe them the way that the Democrats do. The idea that its in poor whites’ best interest to vote for the party of feminism, affirmative action and open borders is disgusting at best.

    “But it’s easy for us to think that integration is great and school
    busing is great, because those things did not affect us, by and large.”

    At least she’s honest in noting that the only reason they think busing was great was because they had no contact with it – ie that it was a negative experience for those whites involved.

    “And when you don’t go to college you’re just not exposed to different
    ways of thinking and different people. Even if you go to an all-white Christian
    college, you’re likely to come away with somewhat different attitudes than if
    you never do it at all.”

    Her insults cannot strike home as I doubt there are any “all-white Christian college[s]” left.  Even Bob Jones University (which is often called the most racist college in the US because it once forbade interracial dating) is 15% nonwhite. Of course the real take-home message is, “how can we turn them liberal if we cannot get our hands on them [in college].”  

    “[Paul] Ryan’s not as associated with the racism and the really nasty stuff, but
    his politics are just as nasty.”

    Okay folks. As I found out today, Paul Ryan had a black girlfriend in college and he has a black sister-in-law. I guess the boys in his family like black girls, huh?  If blacks can say that Clarence Thomas is not authentically black then I cannot see how the GOP has doubled down on whiteness with Paul Ryan.

    “One of our two major parties is a white party! It’s not named the white
    party, and I’m not going to call it a white supremacist party.”

    Well, at least she didn’t call it a white supremacist party…oh, wait…  That’s like telling an elementary school teacher, “You’re around kids all day but I’m not gonna call you a child molester.” You’re not, huh? I think you just did.

    • “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.” 
        —  George Orwell
      Orwell was a prophet.

  • “How and why the white working class became the Republican base, in defiance of its own economic interests, and whether the Democrats can ever win it back.”

    This idea has been floating around for years. There’s another book,  “What’s the Matter with Kansas” which asks the same questions, ‘Why do working people vote against their own interests?’

    http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/0805073396?tag=duckduckgo-d-20

    As with most liberal-“progressive” thinking, they have it wrong.

    Middle state America isn’t voting against their own interests; they’re voting for their own interests.

    Most people expect to work for a living. They expect to earn to get what they want be it a car or a home or a college education. They don’t expect others to pay for what they want and they sure as heck don’t want to pay for what others want.

    Liberal-“progressives” believe in a social collective.  They believe if ‘the workers’ (white middle America) fight for their right to wealth (from the greedy, corrupt corporations) by seizing it through transfer means instead of a violent revolution, then they will create a workers paradise.

    It’s communism but under different names.

  • splitsing

    Funny, Paul Ryan had a black GF in high school and his sister in law is an “African American” as he so proudly proclaims–she might even vote for him.

  • Any time you hear someone describing themselves as a “passionate” whatever, think of this old saying that I just coined: “Scratch a ‘passionate,’ find a nutcase.” “Passion” may be great for rounding up rent-a-mobs to protest “racism” or “capitalism,” or whatever, but it’s damn poor at building stable, prosperous societies.

    And to the author’s title, “What’s the Matter With White People?”, I’d answer, “There’s nothing THE MATTER with us — except that we’re getting screwed.”

  • JohnEngelman

    The Republican Party exists to advance the economic interests of the richest ten percent of the country. 
                                                                 
    Because loyalties of race and ethnicity are stronger than loyalties of class, lower income whites who distrust the Democratic Party on racial issues, vote Republican. I do not think lower income Hispanics and Asians will ever do that. 

    • ABM

      We need a 3rd party, maybe a 4th.

      • JohnEngelman

        I like the party the Democrats were from 1932 to 1964. 

  • JohnEngelman

    Joan Walsh’s family, as she writes in her new book “What’s the Matter With White People? Why We Long for a Golden Age That Never Was,”                                   
    – Andrew O’Hehir, Salon, August 15, 2012        
                          
                              
    The period of time from the end of the Second World War to 1963 really was a golden age for white blue collar workers. They benefited from a broadly based economic expansion. The crime rate was lower than it has been since. Every year, or nearly every year they got pay raises that beat inflation. The great majority of them were better off than their parents were at their age, and better off than ever before in their lives. 
                                                   
    There were several reasons for this. The least controversial reason was that the Second World War destroyed the factories of our trade rivals while leaving ours intact. This gave American manufacturers a buyers’ market for natural resources, and a sellers’ market for what they produced. They had plenty of job openings, and competed vigorously for employees, offering better wages and benefits.
                                              
    One third of the work force belonged to labor unions. The top tax rate never dipped below 91 percent.
                                          
    It also has to be said that the civil rights legislation had not been signed yet, and there were severe restrictions on non white immigration. This contributed to the low crime rate, and the high demand for labor. 

    • The__Bobster

      The prime reason why the common White worker prospered during this period was the virtual immigration moratorium resulting from the Immigration Act of 1924. When employers didn’t have access to cheap foreign labor, the workers had greater economic leverage.

      • GravitonX

         Immigration Act of 1924

        This is why I find the facade of your notions of a “white” race laughable.  Your “white” race is nothing but a front for AngloSaxon chauvinism.

        http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~ppennock/doc-immigAct.htm

        • TomIron361

          GravitonX, And what’s wrong with AngloSaxon chauvinism?

          •  Have you looked at the White Americans’ demographics, re country of origin ?

        • Mexicans die in the desert trying to experience AngloSaxon chauvinism. Cubans drown trying to live among the “white” race.

          Seems like 3rd worlders are just dying to experience White racism…

          • GravitonX

             I suppose if you’re an overweight unattractive girl standing at the bar and a bunch of guys come up to order drinks, and one even says Hello, you might delude yourself into believing they are all attracted to you.

  • It seems simple to me.  College equals large amount of debt with unappreciated skills.  No college equals low debt and skills other people are willing to pay their own money to employ.

  • Tom in MI

    She’s partly right when she says working class whites who vote Republican are voting against their self interests.  After all, Republicans are in favor of massive non-white immigration for cheap labor and
    don’t care if white people become a minority in their own country.

    Voting Democratic is also not in the interests of white people, for reasons we all know.

  • RisingReich

    The Republican Party as the White party?  What a complete joke.  BOTH parties are anti-white.  The ‘two party’ system is a disguise to distract people from the real agenda.

    Mitt ‘I wish I was hispanic’ Romney and Paul “I had a black sweetheart” Ryan can hardly utter the word ‘white’, let alone openly state the dispossessed white case.

    The level of pandering to supposedly ‘conservative Mexicans’ (another joke) makes me sick.  The  US will never have a pro-white party.  At least not the US as we know it.

    If Obama wins, the Republican Party will die and rightfully so.  Good riddance in my opinion.

  • AncientMason

    So, after calling folks close-minded, racist and nasty she goes on to say that we really ought to be using less divisive language.

  • Walsh dooesn’t grapple with anything, she is too stupid. Her weekly moronic scribblings tell a tale of no more than standard white guilt and a desire to be abused by minority bucks.

  • OPersephone

    Thank you. An antidote, indeed.

  • potato78

    We should force some kind of marriage between uneducated white and Chinese with a fair white hairless skin so to remove  these white self-destructive personalities, improve white brother’s IQ, optimize a large nose and eyes to a proper size purely from a point of beautyism.  Then second generation will marry Anglo-Whites.  I basically consider that their kids are pure white after the second generation.  The reason behind is that our white brothers with high IQ have already give up our uneducated white brothers.   They never have any motivation to study and to do something meanful.  They stay a rural areas to avoid people interaction.  Plus the country economy is going down and hurting them most with no college diploma.  Are we just doing empty talk online?  If I were them, I need a substantial help with no slogans.

    • GravitonX

       Why should the higher end of the Bell Curve mix genes with the lower end of the Bell Curve?  The goal is high quality genes, not dumbing down.

  • Rocky Bass,

     “One man’s being rich in no way diminishes anyone else.”
    You sir, are not looking at this using the Marxist model. Under Marxism, there is less and less, and all compete for the dwindling remains, in which case one man having a lot DOES mean others have less. 

  • Rocky Bass,

     Sisyphus undertook a similarly rewarding task as AA offers the USA.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    It’s almost certainly a fact that Mitt Romney is more comfortable around white people

    You know what, Joan?  So am I. 

    And so is Jesse Jackson.

    Why don’t you tell us who your neighbors are, who your kids go to school with, who you invite over for weekend BBQs.  Lots of your black neighbors, right?

    You are a hypocrite and useful idiot who sees race in everything, just like 0bama, Holder and every other member of the Democratic Party.

    Bon

  • Right now, no person in the US of any importance can proclaim a few simple truths:

    1. US was conceived & developed as a freer, richer and stronger extended UK & Europe
    2. dominant population & culture must remain: white European phenotype plus common English language. Almost everything else is open to discussion- say, weights and measures.
    3. blacks and Mestizos and Asians and Muslims just cannot become an integral part of American nation- similar to Swedes in Finland or Muslims in France. “Lighter” specimens can assimilate into White phenotype (just like American Indians), but bigger numbers just enlarge the pool of permanently unassimilable foreigners.

    This trivial stuff Buchanan, Derbyshire, even Jared Taylor cannot say in public.

    • razorrare

      This trivial stuff Buchanan,Derbyshire,even Jared Taylor cannot say in public…

      Are you sure Derbyshire belongs on this list? Would Derbyshire even think such trivial thoughts to himself?…I digress…Derbyshire is and has been a supporter & promoter of  multi-culturalism…

      This is the same Derbyshire who in We Are Doomed: Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism,Derbyshire capitalizes diversity when using it and advances his own”Diversity Theorem”:
      Differant populations,of differant races,customs,religions and preferences,can be mixed together in any number of proportions at all,with harmonious result.Not only will the result be harmonious,it will be beneficial to all the people thus mixed.They will be better and happier than if they had been left to stagnate in dull homogeneity. A corollary to this Diversity Theorem states that if the experiment were to be carried out on a nation…then the nation would be made stronger and better by an increase in Diversity,so long as the system was controlled by properly approved and trained Diversity managers.It would be more peaceful,more prosperous,better educated,more cultivated,better able to defend itself against its enemies.Diversity is our strength!………..Pat Buchanan–Suicide of a SuperPower–Chapter: The Diversity Cult.,page 231.

      •  Derbyshire said different things here: http://www.vdare.com/posts/response-to-jared-taylor-on-miscegenation

        My ideal for a modern nation is a large majority ethnic core
        maintained by strict immigration controls, combined with maximum liberty
        for citizens within the borders, including the liberty to marry whom
        they please.  I strongly suspect that the first thing is a necessary
        condition for the second:  that maximum liberty within a nation is only
        possible under maximum strictness of border controls.  I once enlarged
        upon this suspicion in a piece titled “Libertarianism in One Country,” in which I urged libertarians to emulate Joseph Stalin.
        And
        no, I don’t believe that “large majority ethnic core” need be racially
        exclusive.  I want a little salt in the stew, and don’t mind some
        fraternization across the salt-stew line.

        As I understand it, it’s not much different from my POV.  Small amount of race-mixing with Indians or Chinese is tolerable- as long as it remains small. He explicitly wrote that White ethnic core- and I don’t think that “core” means 20%, but at least 70%- must be preserved.

        As for his life- hey, man fell in love, what to say.

        • razorrare

          Contemplate this…One rotten apple can spoil a bushel of apples. Inevitably,giving an inch to leftest ideology will cause them to get a mile.Personally, i prefer “dull homogeneity”…and you can hold the “salt.” Its exactly this type of  derbyshire thinking that has led to America’s downfall…

          As for his life…i could care less,except to say “man fell in love” is suspect as being factually correct.

          • Derb has written some contradictory things, but, as I see it:

            1. in modern world- you can’t have strictly isolationist policy. It’s impossible.

            2. what is possible is to let in small doses of “digestable foreigners” to assimilate. In the case of US (320 M people), annual immigration dose should be, say, 300,000, out of which at least 70% White.  All illegals- out.

            3. your position is “not an inch”. IMO, this is self-defeating & not realistic to implement. Mine is similar to Lampedusa’s advice to Sicilian aristocracy in “The Leopard”- Change everything just a little so as to keep everything exactly the same.

      • GravitonX

         Mother Nature cherishes Diversity and disdains Purity.  Diversity flourishes and propagates with evolution.  Purity withers and dies.  Perhaps his theorem acknowledges this unmitigated Law of Nature.

        • This is a metaphysical statement you cannot corroborate. “Mother nature” evidently does not “approve” of breeding between German shepherds & poodles.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    being exposed to hostile blacks and learning how to fight back…

    Also being exposed to the FACT that the government, justice department, media, university, local police  WILL NOT come to your defense and WILL NOT protect you against violent blacks, in fact many of them appear to SUPPORT, if not encourage violent blacks over innocent Whites.  

    For example, this report from yesterday:

    An article in St. Louis Today reports ‘A St. Louis teen was charged over the weekend in an assault in the Central West End that police said appears to be a ‘knockout game’ attack.’

    Edward L. Townsend, 17, of the 4900 block of Evans Avenue, was charged with one count of third-degree misdemeanor assault.

    Why was this beast not charged with felony assault, a hate crime and reckless disregard for life — as he would were he White?

    Why are increasingly common reports about brutal black-on-White attacks like THIS going little reported and unnoticed by the justice dept.?  (also out of St. Louis):

    An article from KFVS TV reports: ‘A violent attack is caught on tape and it goes viral. One teenage girl faces a misdemeanor charge. Authorities are not seeking charges against another teen.

    A Black teenager can be seen brutally beating a White disabled man in the youtube video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv6Hc5naOyk&feature=player_embedded

    Black teenager is caught BRUTALLY beating a White disabled man and is charged with a misdemeanor and not felony assault.  

    Imagine:  Blacks can call for “killing White babies” and the govermedia dismisses it.  

    Don’t laugh off these threats, blacks and those who fund and support them are deadly serious about killing White babies.

    IWO,  you learned that Whites are being openly, blatantly discriminated against in the workplace and colleges, targeted for minority status followed by genocide in their homeland.

    Looks to South Africa for an example; we’re next.

    And idiots like this “Walsh” character, along with Tim Wise-types are cheering on the genocide of the White Race,  claiming we have no history except one of racism, colonialism, slavery and mass murder. People with no history do not exist and therefore are easy to eliminate.

    There’s no other word for what is being targeted at Whites except EVIL.

    I only wish more Whites could see what is staring them in the face — what will it take?   My best guess is being lined up against a wall in the face of guns — and even then, maybe not…

    Bon

  • JohnEngelman

    Except for the last four words of your sentence, what you wrote is true for everyone with strong opinions and a weak mind. Such people exist on either side of the political spectrum. 

    • anarchyst

      Strong opinions do not necessarily equate to a “weak mind”.
      There is nothing wrong with strong opinions, especially when they are based on  unvarnished, unadulterated TRUTH.  There are too many people out there that don’t want to hear the TRUTH, especially if it makes them uncomfortable.   Too many people are not willing to dig for TRUTH and accept what they find, because it “goes against the grain” of their preconceived notions.
      A prime example of TRUTH being sacrificed for “orthodoxy” is that of the jewish “holocaust ™”.  There are many inconsistencies in the “holocaust ™” story that beg for investigation; we are told that TRUTH doesn’t matter and to “let things be” by the promoters of the conventional “holocaust ™” story.
      In fact, in most of Europe, deviation from the “official” jewish “holocaust ™” story and any attempts to investigate the inconsistencies of that event are met with criminal prosecution, fines and imprisonment.  It would seem that honest investigation and discussion would be welcome,  to reinforce the depravity and horrors of that event.  However, it seems that the promoters of conventional “holocaust ™” orthodoxy have “something to hide” by criminalizing any investigation of this event.
      The light of day is the best “disinfectant”.  It is long overdue for the jewish “holocaust ™” to be subject to the kind of scientific and historical scrutiny by dispassionate, unbiased parties that do not have “an axe to grind”.
      We will all be better for it . . .
      Best regards,

    • JohnEngelman

      anarchyst,
                      
      I used to have a Jewish dentist who was imprisoned at Bergen-Belsen during the Second World War. All of his relatives were killed by the Nazis.  
                            
      If the Holocaust did not happen it needs to be the case that every survivor of one of the Nazi concentration camps, and that every soldier who liberated one, conspired to lie about what was happening in the camps. 

  • JohnEngelman

    Democratic politicians want Democrat voters. Republican politicians want cheap labor to increase the profits of their wealthy contributors. 

  • shmo123

     I never really gave it much thought until a recent incident brought it to light for me. A recent posting by a “friend” on Facebook concerning Obama and how he was doing a good job, prompted a quick and visceral reaction by me asking her why she supported him. This led to a response by another female who quickly jumped on the bandwagon in a rambling, completely incoherent (and by incoherent, I mean a very poorly written screed, where the grammar and syntax were so poor I couldn’t tell what the woman was trying to say)  that basically supported the Dems and their health-care plan. Female A then wrote to female B showing her support for her babbling nonsense by saying she “loved” and agreed with everything she said. Neither of them however could give me one reason why they support Obama. Then I thought about it and came to the conclusion that they weren’t thinking, they were emoting–they love the image of the guy, the way he spoke, the media created persona a nice guy you’d want to have dinner with–but neither of them had thought in any way of his policies, his actions or his role as President. They’re going to go and blindly pull the lever for this guy without thinking anything more of what he is or what he tries to implement. It sickened me even more knowing one of those women is a faithful, practicing Catholic, yet she supports one the biggest abortion defending, Catholic bashing politicians in the country. And they’re going to vote. Disgusting.

  • Hal K

    I was extending the implicit/explicit whiteness terminology seen on other websites.  The GOP is an implicitly white party merely by virtue of the fact that nonwhites tend to stay away from it.  It is debatable whether the GOP is implicitly PRO-white, but they do tend to favor policies that benefit whites.  They also explicitly reach out to nonwhites, while explicitly ignoring the racial interests of whites.

  • Hal K

    See my reply to Anonymous.

  • Tom in Miami

    Who else are you going to vote for?  The Democrats are explicitly anti-white.  I can’t understand why whites vote for them.

  • I’ve heard the same thing. Most women, from my personal experience, want a bunch of children. Sadly society shames them for this and insists their career is more important. 

    It makes me sick to my stomach knowing Mary is only having 1 child so she can work and pay taxes so Shaquanda and Esperanza can have endless litters of welfare children.

    • Not only society, but even more common, their husbands.

  • Indeed, long ago college was difficult to get into. It was designed that way because only the most intelligent could reap it’s benefits.

    No longer, a college degree is worth crap today. They have dulled it down so much that it’s just an indoctrination center at this point. Individuals can take advantage of the environment and educate themselves. However, true “education” is no longer the goal of college.

  • It’s always this way before the fall. It’s pretty crazy that we are going through the exact same steps that every other collapsed empire has gone through

  • It’s a dead-end philosophy.

    Who is going to enact the “final solution”? A coalition army of gays, blacks, latinos, women and limp-wristed metrosexuals? Against millions of armed, conservative, heterosexual men? 

    • Who is going to enact the “final solution”? A coalition army of gays, blacks, latinos, women and limp-wristed metrosexuals?

      Hahhaha …  thanks for a good laugh.

  • It’s like all those militant leftists that try to side with diversity. They show up at protests and stand near the cameras to show the “White people” are protesting too. As soon as the camera leaves, they are beaten within an inch of their life by the diverse mob. 

  • MekongDelta69

    To all those below who mentioned Walsh is an idiot (and other synonyms) – of course she is. She’s a guilt-ridden, self-loathing, spineless, hypocrite – aka, a leftist.

    All leftists are absolutely obsessed with anything that is non-traditional and destructive (race, sex, sexual orientation, anti-Americanism, anti-Western Civilization, anti-traditional values, culture and mores, anti-everything which was good and right (and now considered ‘bad’ and ‘wrong’) and pro-everything which was bad and wrong (and now considered ‘good’ and ‘right’).

    There are NO exceptions to this rule. Never has been. Aren’t any now. Never will be.

  • “I have zero desire to rule over, or to subjugate any other race to White domination – just as I do not desire to be dominated or ruled over by races not my own. What could be more fair, reasonable and equitable than that?”

    Isn’t that the truth! Well stated.

  • OPersephone

    It’s definitely time for trade schools and apprenticeships to make a major comeback.

    • JohnEngelman

      What matters is to go to at least one elite college or university and get one or more degrees in mathematics, the hard sciences, and/or a professional specialty.  To do this one virtually needs to be born with a genius level IQ, that is to say at least 130. 
                      
      If you can’t do that a trade school is a good idea. Nevertheless, before attending make sure that graduates really get jobs they train for. Do an internet search on the school. See what graduates have to say about it. Also, talk to students. By the time they are about to graduate they will have a pretty good idea of what their chances are in the job market. 

  • Ms. Walsh said: “It has been so vexing to me, and so mysterious, that wealthy or upper-middle-class white people, especially Irish Catholics, have become the face of the white working class when they never spent a frickin’ day in the working class in their lives.”

    Yet it doesn’t vex her it all that wealthy white liberals claim to be the champions of the poor while never spending a minute in poverty, or claim to be the champions of minority groups while doing everything in their power to shield themselves and their children from actually having to be exposed to the so called “diversity”, except in the most controlled of circumstances?

    I may not be  a smart man, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know an idiot when I see one.

  • I’ve met plenty of dumb people with college degrees.  They might have been book smart but could not function in the real world.  I’ve also met plenty of people without college degrees that were not book smart, but were intelligent enough to make a good living in various trades, including in some cases running their own businesses.  To borrow inspiration from Buckley’s famous quote about the Boston phone book, I’d rather be governed by a street smart plumber than a book smart sociology major.

  • If this post implies that Ms. Walsh has a child with a Jewish man – that’s her life. Also, I don’t think her child is “non- White”, nor that this whole story would mean anything re position in life- half- Jewish persons are in many cases true patriots & significant figures: http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_jewish_catholics.html

    Walsh is both bonkers & morally corrupt, that’s all.

  • OPersephone

    Whenever I am discussing this with someone and he starts ranting angrily about how women have ruined everything, I always remind him — as gently as possible — that it was the MEN who allowed it to happen. If the men had stood their ground, the suffragettes and feminists could have marched and protested all they liked, and it wouldn’t have made a lick of difference. On an unconscious level, I think the men giving up their position (essentially abdicating their responsibility in the face of a challenge) was the point at which they lost female respect. Like children who push the boundaries to see what they can get away with, the women would have had a tantrum at not getting their way, but they would have respected the men for being strong and holding firm to the principles of nature, reason and tradition. Eventually, they would have been defeated and their movement would have faded into an interesting paragraph in our history books. It was not only these female activists, but also the men who agreed with them — or simply failed to hold their ground — who got us into our current fix.

    Don’t get me wrong, I *do* think a few of the things arising from the movement were positive. North-western European women always had higher status and much more personal freedom than other women in the world. The interactions between men and women in pre-Christian north-west Europe were strikingly egalitarian, yet they still respected their different roles in life. The women’s movement did restore to white women some of the personal power they lost when north-west Europe was influenced by the less egalitarian Middle-Eastern attitudes of Christianity. For the most part, however, it has been a complete disaster, because it has ultimately had the opposite effect: instead of increasing respect for women and creating a harmonious balance, it became a relentless pursuit of *sameness* which has caused a cancer of contempt and resentment between the sexes and a completely unnatural society.

  • OPersephone

    I think that, in addition, is an excellent and important point. Both together would be far superior.

  • OPersephone

    Absolutely. My husband and I decided long before we had children that we were determined to do this right, and we have made what many would probably consider to be significant financial sacrifices to live the way we do. I stay home and teach the kids, while he works his butt off to maintain us on one income. Neither of us is willing to sacrifice our children on the altar of Mammon just so we can be more “comfortable”; but I do resent the policies that have led to this situation in which a man cannot get a decent living wage because the market is flooded with cheap labor in the form of both women and immigrants.

  • GravitonX

     The wonderful secret to Diversity is that it welcomes all who wish to be welcomed, by definition. 

    I have embraced this new world, and so should you.  You’ll be much happier.

    • OPersephone

      That may be one of the most sinister posts I’ve ever read.

  • Absolutely. He is a child of privilege and comfort, born into a
    construction business run by his family in Janesville, Wis. I think Paul
    Ryan is a great example of what drove me to write this book. It has
    been so vexing to me, and so mysterious, that wealthy or
    upper-middle-class white people, especially Irish Catholics, have become
    the face of the white working class when they never spent a frickin’
    day in the working class in their lives.

    Oh, Joan, you just fell into Q.D.’s Massive Irony Slop Bucket.

    She runs a magazine called Mother Jones, the namesake being Mary Harris “Mother” Jones, who was one of the very first organizers of miners unions.  Yet, MJ the magazine is written by, for and about the kind of people who couldn’t do an honest day’s work of physical labor because it would kill them.  Joan Walsh and her little pet Eric Boehlert included.

  • GravitonX

    It appears that you’ve lost another to the “white” cult of AngloSaxon chauvinism.  If there is any “awakening,” it will be that this primitive “ethnic” caste system is a grand charade.  We have already fought the most destructive war humanity has ever seen over this nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    Same with me.  I read the anti-white stuff in school and came across ‘anti racist’ Tim Wise, but they all had the opposite effect of which they were intended.  That’s the folly with the Left.  They don’t realize their ideas most often backfire on them.  Take the Chick-Fil-A or the UnFair Campaign of 2012.  They underestimated the anger that whites and white christians have against the Left and that all the politeness and tolerance we’ve been bottling up inside for 40 years now is starting to burst out of the bottle.

  • ed91

    like I repeat time after time……….

    not only are a disproportionate amount of white women stupid, but they have also sold us out.   

    they rarely seem to ‘get it’ unless it is literally beaten into them.

  • splitsing

    Move to Westminster or Garden Grove and Orange County–not rocket science.

  • ed91

     don’t be too free with your standing ovation for white women.

    they are up to their necks in being responsible for what you just ranted about.

  • ed91

     you are aware that white women are eligible for affirmative action?

    they couldn’t care less about white men

    • Clytemnestra

      You are being obtuse.

      Unless you really, truly believe that some other broad who is eligible for Affirmative Action and takes MY husband’s job and the salary he would have earned benefits ME. 

      I couldn’t care less about some White stranger, but I have a vested interest in the good fortune of the men in my immediate family; my father, my husband, my brothers, and my sons.  MY White men. 

      Got it?  Good!

      Once again, Romney and Ryan need to exorcise any Rove Strategery from their ranks.  It is a waste of time and money to woo blacks, Mestizos, Asians and Jews.  

      They need to focus on the soccer moms. 

      Here is Clytemnestra Is Always Right Ad #1:

      Distraught nurse talking about how the Mancession has cost her hubby his job and she had to tighten the family belt to the point where there is no money for soccer games.  She is distraught, because hubby’s unemployment is about to run out.  Her company has come to her demanding she take a pay cut or they will replace her with a Phillippina.  She knows they ain’t playing, because the jobs her hubby was applying for have all been taken by Indians with H1-B visas.

      Here is Clytemnestra Is Always Right Ad #2:

      Retired widowed mom has taken a job as a Walmart greeter or a bus monitor.  She had a comfortable pension, before it took a hit from the bad investments  (seems her stockbroker invested much of her money on mortgages to Diversity which defaulted).  But that wasn’t the only thing.  Her son graduated from college and only has huge student loans to show for it.  He can’t even work construction, so he is working a McJob.  Seems that the companies aren’t interested in hiring American engineers when they can hire Indians and hiring American construction workers when they can hire illegal Mestizos.

      Insert at the end of both ads,  Romney saying, “It’s not racism.”  Interject Clinton flashback adding, “It’s the economy, stupid!”

      Then have Ryan say a few things about what needs to be done to bring the jobs back so families will have the security that enables them to enjoy real freedom. 

      • You sound like you do media buys for pol candidates for a living.

        I’m cutting and pasting your post here and saving it, because it’s giving me ideas.

        I think these buys would be a lot better with real people who are really in situations as close as possible to these hypotheticals.

        Karl Roverrated is a great numbers guy, but his strategery blows big baby chunks.  George W. Bush won two national elections in spite of him, not because of him.  Yes, I have a very personal reason to dislike Karl Roverrated as of late, though I never did like him anyway.

  • JohnEngelman

    I went to to college during the War in Vietnam. Colleges were more slanted to the left back then  than now. I was never “brainwashed” to think that whites were responsible for all the evils of the world. When a black professor complained about the theories of Richard Herrnstein, Arthur Jensen, and those of like mind, I defended them. I still got an A in his course.
                                               
    In 1971, when Richard Herrnstein wrote an article in the Atlantic Monthly anticipating the arguments he was later to present with Charles Murray in The Bell Curve, I wrote a column for the University newspaper defending the article. The local chapter of the new left Students for a Democratic Society demanded that I retract the column. I refused, with the support of the editor in chief of the newspaper. 
                                                            
    I was active in the anti war movement back then. I continue to believe that the War in Vietnam was tragically futile. 
     

    • You’ve overlooked the big picture. I don’t question what you’ve said about your student years experiences- but just look at the dominant socio-political discourse now, from campuses to TV and beyond. 
      Jared Taylor, who is a moderate, common sense political thinker – I, who am actually much more extreme by temperament & inclinations, wouldn’t call him a true right- winger, just a mentally sane realist-  is publicly decried as some kind of Hitler reincarnated.
      Forget about Vietnam era, the Western world-including the US- now is in far greater danger & is significantly ideologically totalitarian.

      • JohnEngelman

        Bardon Kaldian,
                       I do not discount what you have to say. To fully evaluate it I would need to be on a college campus now.                              My take on things is that the War in Vietnam was a tragically futile mistake. On college campuses from at least the Tet Offensive in 1968 to the end of the draft in 1973 it was the most compelling issue.                                     In addition it was easier back then than it is now to believe that the end of racial discrimination would lead to an end to racial differences in academic performance, crime, and so on, simply because the civil rights legislation was more recent.                               In politics one typically has one or two issues one really cares about. Whether one takes what are considered to be leftist or rightist stands on these issues will usually color one’s stands on issues that are less salient.                                          Vietnam was unimportant to our economy or security. The threat of being drafted and sent there to fight pulled college students to the left in ways no contemporary issue does. Consequently, left wing college professors are less likely to be given the benefit of the doubt than they were during the late 1960s and early 1970s. 

        • anarchyst

          I would like to ask you a question.  Were you of draft age during your protests?  If so, you probably noted that the protests “dried up” when the draft was abandoned.  To add insult to injury, the Vietnam war protesters blamed the soldiers who went there and returned, calling them “baby killers, spitting on them in airports, and in general disrespecting them.  Ask me . . . I was one of them that was “disrespected”. . .
          I view most so-called Vietnam war protesters as spoiled rich kids that were more concerned with saving their own skins than protesting an “immoral war”.
          There are those “chickenhawks” that avoided Vietnam (like Ted Nugent, who defecated on himself and did not wash for a month before reporting for induction.  He was subsequently sent home.  You see, Vietnam was not “his war”.  To see him today, it would appear that he is a “super patriot”).  The same goes for Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney, both present-day “chickenhawks”.  Keep in mind that someone else had to go in their places.
          It is obvious that you are deficient in your studies of communism, which is the most abhorrent system of “government” in modern times.  The amount of people slaughtered under communism makes the jewish holocaust ™ look like a minor footnote in world history.  It turns out that the “domino theory” of spreading communism was correct and that the spread into the surrounding countries was mitigated.
          The Tet offensive was a military victory for the U S and South Vietnam but was turned into a “defeat” by that communist,  Walter Cronkite  and the rest of the American “news media”.  The enemy’s back was broken and could have resulted in an end to the war much earlier.  It was the American press that gave the enemy “new resolve”.  They admitted as much.  North Vietnam’s General Giap admitted that without the “help” of the U S news media, results would have been way different.
          It is curious to note that there were no comments from the Vietnam war protesters when South Vietnam fell and the “boat people” fled that communist hell-hole by the millions.  “Not a peep” from those protesters who were so concerned about the Vietnamese people during the American draft.
          In this day and age, there are many Vietnam war protesters who claim to have served.  I guess that ther guilt is getting to them.
          By the way, I served in Vietnam (1970-1971).
          Best regards . . .

          • anarchyst

            sorry for the double post–

        • anarchyst

          I would like to ask you a question. Were you of draft age during your protests? If so, you probably noted that the protests “dried up” when the draft was abandoned. To add insult to injury, the Vietnam war protesters blamed the soldiers who went there and returned, calling them “baby killers, spitting on them in airports, and in general disrespecting them. Ask me . . . I was one of them that was “disrespected”. . .
          I view most so-called Vietnam war protesters as spoiled rich kids that were more concerned with saving their own skins than protesting an “immoral war”.
          There are those “chickenhawks” that avoided Vietnam (like Ted Nugent, who defecated on himself and did not wash for a month before reporting for induction. He was subsequently sent home. You see, Vietnam was not “his war”. To see him today, it would appear that he is a “super patriot”). The same goes for Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney, both present-day “chickenhawks”. Keep in mind that someone else had to go in their places.
          It is obvious that you are deficient in your studies of communism, which is the most abhorrent system of “government” in modern times. The amount of people slaughtered under communism makes the jewish “holocaust ™ look like a minor footnote in world history. It turns out that the “domino theory” of spreading communism was correct and that the spread into the surrounding countries was mitigated.
          The Tet offensive was a military victory for the U S and South Vietnam but was turned into a “defeat” by that communist, Walter Cronkite and the rest of the American “news media”. The enemy’s back was broken and could have resulted in an end to the war much earlier. It was the American press that gave the enemy “new resolve”. They admitted as much. North Vietnam’s General Giap admitted that without the “help” of the U S news media, results would have been way different.
          It is curious to note that there were no comments from the Vietnam war protesters when South Vietnam fell and the “boat people” fled that communist hell-hole by the millions. “Not a peep” from those protesters who were so concerned about the Vietnamese people during the American draft.
          In this day and age, there are many Vietnam war protesters who claim to have served. I guess that ther guilt is getting to them.
          By the way, I served in Vietnam (1970-1971).
          Best regards . . .

          • JohnEngelman

            I acknowledged that the War in Vietnam was an issue on college campuses from 1968 to 1973. That is to say from the time that the Tet Offensive indicated that the War would not be over by graduation, to the end of the draft. 
                              
            Vietnam was unimportant to American security or the American economy. In his memoirs President Eisenhower estimated that as many as 80 percent of the Vietnamese supported Ho Chi Minh.
                              
            https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/ddeho.htm    
                                           
            We should have left those people alone. We devastated Vietnam to prevent the ascension of a popular leader. 

          • anarchyst

            Vietnam was not “devestated” by any means . . . you are correct about Ho Chi Minh being popular.  He asked for American help to “boot out” the French . . . it was our mistake in not providing him assistance. Things would have been different.  You conveniently forget the number of people that fled the North when Vietnam was partitioned.  Vietnamese voted with their feet. . . Yes, there were political mistakes made- (the assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem) but all in all, the American presence improved the country.  I suggest that you ask those in the Vietnamese communities here what life was like under communism.  You may be enlightened. . .
            As always, best regards . . .

          • JohnEngelman

            anarchystCollapse
            Vietnam was not “devestated” by any means . . . the American presence improved the country.  

            ——————————

            The estimated Vietnamese civilian dead during the War in Vietnam  was 411,000 – 2,000,000. 

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War       

            Large parts of South Vietnam were made uninhabitable by Agent Orange. The destruction of buildings and infrastructure must total in the billions.           

            The Geneva Agreement of 1954 achieved independence for Indochina from French rule. It forbade the entry of foreign troops into Vietnam. It clearly specified that the division of Vietnam into North and South was temporary, and that an election was to be held in July 1956 to unify the country.

            http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1954-geneva-indochina.html 

            If the United States had signed and honored the Geneva Agreement of 1954 the War in Vietnam would not have happened. This is why President Eisenhower ordered diplomats at Geneva not to sign the agreement: 

            “I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader.”

            Source: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mandate for Change, 1953-56 (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Compnay, Inc., 1963), p. 372 
            https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/ddeho.htm

          • JohnEngelman

            You conveniently forget the number of people that fled the North when Vietnam was partitioned.  Vietnamese voted with their feet. . . I suggest that you ask those in the Vietnamese communities here what life was like under communism.  You may be enlightened.                        
            – anarchyst
                                  
            ———-
                                                  
            I lived in San Jose, California, and Santa Clara, California during the late 1970s and early 1980s when the area was engulfed by Vietnamese war refugees. I was fascinated by the Vietnamese culture. I liked every Vietnamese I knew. I had a Vietnamese girl friend. 
                                 
            In his memoirs President Eisenhower said as many as 80 percent of the Vietnamese supported Ho Chi Minh.
                                       
            https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/ddeho.htm         
                                       
            The Vietnamese I knew in the San Francisco Bay Area were from the remaining 20 percent. They were wonderful people. Although many were poor, they had a low crime rate. The children usually out performed white children in school.  
                                                                               
            With a large Vietnamese immigrant population, San Jose has the lowest crime rate of any large city in the United States.
                                                     
            http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25 
             
            http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-jose/crime/  
             

      • JohnEngelman

        Bardon Kaldian,
         
        Political indoctrination is only effective when its message resonates with what people have experienced in their lives, and with what they want to believe. 
         
        During the War in  Vietnam the left offered male college students a moral reason for doing what they wanted to do anyway, which was to avoid serving in Vietnam. 
         
        The left does not have that now. Telling white college students that they are collectively responsible for black poverty, crime, and inferior academic performance is not an attractive message. 
         
        On the other hand, one does not need to have been “brainwashed” in order to believe that from 1920 to 2002 there was nearly always considerably more economic growth under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents.
         
        http://www.singularity.com/charts/page99.html 
         
        Political indoctrination does not lead people to believe that from the presidencies of Harry S. Truman to that of George W. Bush there was nearly always more job creation per year under Democratic presidents than Republican presidents. 
         
        http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/ 
         
        It is not a liberal lie that increases in the top income tax rate generate considerably more of an increase in income tax receipts than cuts in the top tax rate. 
         
        http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213 
         
        http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=203 
         
        Those statements are true. They are documented by the websites I have posted. 

        • Now we live in a radically changed world. IMO, you underestimate the level of change.

          • JohnEngelman

            How do those changes invalidate what I have posted? 
                                                  
            Just because most white Americans – I emphasize white Americans because you do not seem to think others matter – disagree with you on important issues does not mean that we have been “brainwashed,” or that our thinking processes are in any way inferior to yours. 

      • JohnEngelman

        Bardon Kaldian,
                                            
        One does not get places in politics by changing people’s opinions. One gets places by articulating and channeling sentiments that already exist.
                                                 
        If Jared Taylor had a message that resonated with most whites efforts to suppress him would have been as unsuccessful as efforts to take Rush Limbaugh off the air. 
                                                    
        I can think of four reasons Jared Taylor has not been more successful in getting his message out. First, since the beginning of American Renaissance in 1990 there has only been one black ghetto riot of any significance. This of course was the Rodney King riot of 1992. Because that riot began during a Republican ascendancy that had begun twelve years earlier with the election of Ronald Reagan it was difficult to blame it on the “liberal permissiveness” of the Democratic Party.        
                                               
        Second, the overall crime rate has been declining since 1980. The rate of violent crime has declined since 1991.
                                                     
        http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm   
                                                                                        
        Third the persistence of de facto segregation means that most whites have contact with few blacks. Those few tend to be reasonably decent. When blacks are in the minority most try to behave.
                                               
        Fourth, a fairly large percentage of whites in the United States appreciate the ethnic diversity provided by recent immigrants, as long as it does not bring with it increases of crime and urban decay. Usually it does not. These whites tend to be better educated and more affluent, so they have social power out of proportion to their numbers.  They like ethnic restaurants, ethnic grocery and gift stores, ethnic festivals, and so on. Many of them, like Jared Taylor, are fluent in at least one language in addition to English. The sound and sight of other languages intrigues them. 
                                                                            
        Hispanics have a higher crime rate than whites. Orientals have a lower crime rate than whites, even when they are poor. Every immigrant group has a lower crime rate than blacks.  
                              
        If the U.S. economy continues to stagnate and decline this may give more of a cachet to what Jared Taylor has to say. If it does the constraints of political correctness will be to no avail. 

  • potato78

    How low is the IQ?
    Please don’t forget this.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKFuUjtrE0k&feature=related

    • Not Easily Fooled

      Radon Kaldean: Maybe you’re right about Ms. Walsh’s mental condition.  But I’m always reluctant to call a political opponent “kookie” or “crazy” because that reminds me of bolshevik totalitarian regimes that were always seeking to marginalize and delegitimize political opponents by questioning their sanity, calling them names, or associating them red-herring-like with historical criminal regimes.  
      Weren’t opponents of these communist regimes frequently shipped off to re-education camps where they received remedial physical and mental re-education until they recanted of their unacceptable views?  I prefer to believe that Ms. Walsh is rational but misguided or, more likely, just venal.But, on the other hand, maybe you’re right about Ms. Walsh having mental problems – these two white women also seem to have problems with homogeneous populations of white people:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRhRNxBB7RAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

      • You just seem to belong to the majority here: blame the Jewish Americans as such. Ms. Walsh is a loony crackpot & there is not much more to it. And, as someone who grew up in a Communist country, I can assure you- Jews didn’t have any influence on party policies, actually they hardly possessed any ethnic identity.

  • NM156

    Who’s Yankees356 on the Salon comments section? I love this guy! Why bother talking to those who seek to destroy you? Just bulldoze them. He also manages to squeeze in a few short, well-placed eponyms in his verbal assualts. This kind of poster is the model for swarming leftist-kook message boards and comments sections on news stories.

    •  No, he’s too emotional & open. Won’t last long, IMO. Anyway, I’m positively surprised by their moderation policy. Perhaps time to definitely sever contacts with Huff post & try some more flexible online sources.

  • NM156

    Nice post. Thank you.

  • NM156

    I once heard Joan Walsh exclaim on MSNBC that “white people don’t have any problems”. Since then, I’ve wanted to seek her out on the street and shove a pie in her face. What a supertwat.

  • JohnEngelman

    The mean IQ of college graduates is 115.17. The mean IQ for high school graduates who do not go to college is 100.04.
                
    http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/healthtable3.pdf  
     

  • Dom

     It is different. She feels that her situation is “unfair” but she does not feel the same of your situation. Even though they are similar.

  • Rebelcelt

    I still think my all time favorite video here is of the stupid old white guy screaming about racists here get the hell out. And is sucker punched /knocked out by some minority..i still laugh at that one.  

  • JohnEngelman

    The people I care about are decent, law abiding people of all races, nations, and religions. I prefer intelligent friends. Nevertheless, decency and obedience to the law can be found at all IQ levels. 

  • nunyabidnessfoo

    The elites have succeeded wonderfully at their goal.

    The GOP’s purpose has been to get working/middle class people to vote against their own economic interests in the name of “social conservatism” and sticking it to poor people on welfare, all while subsidizing corporate welfare.

    The Democrat’s purpose has been to get white people (and men) to hate themselves and also get everyone else to hate white people (and men).

    Talk about divide and conquer. Yet people buy right into it