Ogletree: I Want ‘First White Victim’ from Stand Your Ground

Breitbart, April 11, 2012

At Al Sharpton’s National Action Network Convention today, president Obama’s favorite Harvard professor Dr. Charles Ogletree said “I want to see the first white victim of the stand your ground by a black defendant and see if it works.”

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  • IstvanIN

    Daniel Adkins (though some may not consider him white he was summarily executed by a gleeful black male who no doubt thought he was white).  And isn’t what one thinks just as important as what one does????

    • Lou

       No but he is as ” white ” as Zimmerman…

      • IstvanIN

        Doesn’t matter, the black thought he was white and got to kill a harmless “white” man in his way of thinking, thus he scored.

      • Lou

         So , it’s the LAW that is racist not the ” over zealous ”  prosecutor
        and jury that would ignore the law and put a black man in jail,
        otherwise.?? Do I have that about right, Ogletree ?   Lmao , you can’t make this stuff up. And look !! all the seals clap away in agreement , they don’t really realize what his is saying.. He just says, what they love to hear, and then they clap.. Where is it written in the law that a black man CANNOT
        benefit from the stand your ground law = black men exempt ?? It isn’t, so implying that
        there is something wrong/racist with the law is astonishing ,specially coming from a supposed Harvard professor.. Aren’t they supposed to be among the brightest of the nation ? ppfft !! Phooey !!

        •  Obviously, SYG laws are race neutral on their face.  However, we know exactly why they were implemented.  And it certainly wasn’t because of an epidemic of whites assaulting blacks.  Ogletree types hate SYG purely out of collective guilt and projection.

  • No

    Well, here’s the problem, p’fesser . . .

    First you’d have to find a negro who was LEGALLY ENTITLED to carry a weapon.

    Next, you’d have to have said negro actually be the VICTIM of an attack by a white man.  In other words, the negro is just standing there bird-watching when the white man suddenly attacks him.

    Next, said negro’s homies cannot jump in and interefere.

    Next, the negro cannot run away and hide . . . he must actually “stand his ground” in a fight.

    Next, your negro must be able to hit what he aims at . . . in other words, he can’t be drunk or high.

    Finally, your special negro must hang around and wait for the po-lice.  He can’t run away because of outstanding warrants or because he matches the description of the guy who just robbed the corner liquor store.

    You find that one-in-a-trillion negro who can meet those criteria and we just may have us a test case!

  • xxxtonygunsxxx

    im listening to the enemy or the al not so sharpton show as mark levin calls him and uglytree is on the show now. this is the type of human garbage that hussein admires and associates with. garbage associating with garbage. 

  • Hirschibold

    It is becoming painfully obvious that anything, absolutely anything, a white person does short of dying is going to be considered racist. Remember the parable about the frog being thrown into the pot of water. Our enemies are jumping the gun, growing overconfident, and waking up white people who they could have lulled into annihilation, had they been patient enough to just wait a couple of generations. They got greedy, however, and are alienating all but the dumbest or youngest white liberals with their rhetoric.

    • Actually if we die it’s racist because now there is one less honkey paying taxes so they can take their welfare check and buy crack.

  • Lou

     Way ahead of you.. Done yesterday… :~)

  • Lou

    Way ahead of you.. Done yesterday..     :~)

  • Rocky Bass

    Given how rare white on black crime is statistically, one might have to wait quite a while. I think this fella’s logic is just too obviously a double edged sword with two pointy ends no less. His argument that self defense is most ALWAYS needed by whites, sort of makes the other side’s case concrete doesn’t it? Am I seeing this wrong or something?

    • Anonymous

      Since when are most blacks very intelligent to begin with?   Have you listened to how nasty blacks get even when another black doesn’t agree with them?  I don’t agree with white liberals, am annoyed with them, avoid being around them, but I don’t say, “I wanna punch your face in!!!!”

  • bluffcreek1967

    When I hear foolish men like Professor Ogletree, it only reinforces the notion that Blacks (for the most part) are entirely unreasonable when it comes to matters of race and personal accountability for one’s actions.    

    • Anonymous

      The problem is our establishment and institutions cater to these people at the expense of our freedoms and money and lives.

  • All this does is make me want to encourage more people to join the NRA so that they can pass in more states their model Castle Doctrine law (which includes Stand Your Ground and, most significantly, immunity from civil lawsuits by the Bad Guy/his family if the shooter is not convicted criminally).

    There are an estimated 90,000,000 gun owners in the US but only ~4,000,000 are NRA members — less than 5%!!! If we can get only a lousy 1 out of 10 gun owners to join, that will more than double the size of the NRA and we, law-abiding gun owners, would get EVERYTHING we want from both Washington and our own state capitols.


    • Strider73

       IMHO the USCCA is better at standing up for our 2nd Amendment rights, mainly because its sole focus is on CCW. It also features a “shield” program that offers members legal representation should they ever have to shoot someone in self-defense. (I bet George Zimmerman wishes he’d signed up.) The NRA is for the most part a good organization, but it suffers from its share of political correctness and all too often is willing to compromise with the enemy. Two years ago they even endorsed the scurrilous Harry Reid for the Senate!

      Disclosure: I am a member of both groups. If I had to pick just one, it would be the USCCA.

      • Anonymous

        But what if you don’t have a CCW and just have a gun in your car or vehicle and have to use it?  Does it still protect you then?

      • You’re joking, right?

        Who fought to pass the FL Shall Issue law that took effect in 1986? The NRA (spearheaded by Marion Hammer who eventually went on to become the first female president of the NRA)

        Who fought to pass it in every state where it has passed since then, even those where law enforcement orgs were against it? The NRA

        Who has did Bill Clinton blame for Repubs taking the House for the first time in 40 years after he passed the “assault” weapons ban? The NRA

        Who did Al Gore blame for his defeat, incl in his home state of TN, when he ran for president? The NRA

        Who formulated and passed their model Castle Doctrine law, which includes Stand Your Ground (i.e., you don’t have to try to escape first before legally using deadly force in self-defense), treats your car like your home in allowing you to shoot someone trying to forcefully enter, and gives you *immunity* from civil lawsuits (where they sue you for all you’re worth and you settle just to save attorney fees and stress) by the Bad Guy or his survivors IF you are not criminally convicted in the shooting? The NRA

        Little, insignificant organizations that have accomplished NOTHING politically commonly use the claim that the NRA is compromised and only they are worthy of your support.

        BTW name a single piece of gun control legislation Harry Reid signed off on. You can’t, that’s why the NRA supported him — he isn’t fighting against our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Many Democrats are pro-gun rights too.

        Now what has USCCA accomplished politically at the state or federal levels *on their own* (i.e., not riding the coattails of the NRA and then claiming it their own accomplishment? (sound of crickets….)

  • Diamond_Lil

    I didn’t know there was a  Harvard Institute for Racism and Injustice.

  • Anan7

    If blacks weren’t so violent and aggressive then “Stand Your Ground” wouldn’t have even been necessary.

    Yes, white-on-white violence exists, but Blacks are many times more likely to commit a violent act (murder, assault, rape, etc.) than their White counterparts so they are naturally much more affected by “Stand Your Ground” laws.

  • Theone

    I have never heard of a white guy just going up on the street attacking a black guy in the same way that black people attack whites.  It is just such a rare thing.  Oh, that native american who shot some black folks, or the latino zimmerman who may be innocent of the charges will have to do, I guess.  It looks like zimmerman will be a sacrificial lamb, so the professa’ will get some satisfaction.

  • Anon12

     Don’t they make you sick? I am so sick of their transparent pro-minority stance on everything, while claiming to be “conservative”.  They are the biggest cowards of all to not say what they all know instinctively.  Hypocrites.

  • No

    QUOTE:  “Wouldn’t he?”


    You have to delve into the mind of a FANATIC.  These people believe this tripe with a religious fervor.  What seems like garbage to you (and me) is gospel to them.

    It is totally IRRATIONAL according to any laws or techniques of rationality that you and I understand.

    But that’s why humans go to war with one another:  We engage in a political struggle and at some point begin to accept totally different world-views.  When that happens, negotiations break down and the political struggle continues using rifles and bayonets.

  • Enoch_Power

    Listen here you Yanks.  I know that you lot think you invented everything, but your legal system is English Law.   There is the fundamental principle of innocent until proven guilty in English and US Law.

    It appears that there are some amongst your great nation who want to change this minor detail. They would like to adopt the principle of white until proven innocent”.  Yes – essentially if you are white then you are guilty of racism BEFORE any trial – unless you can prove otherwise.  In Britain you can prove “otherwise” by membership of an appeasement or collaboration group like the British Labour Party, Tory Party or Liberal Democrat Party.  There is even a thuggish anti-white group called the Unite Against “Fascism” if you a a particular militant type of self-hater.

    What I find interesting in the US is that the definition of white includes anyone the Marxist Agenda Lobby (copyright Sharpton & Jackson) and media defines as white – and may include Cherokee Indian and Hispanics.  That is of course unless they are the victims of a crime committed by a “real” white (European), then they revert to being “people of colour” and the real white is then a racist, Nazi, fascist child killer.  The media much prefer this latter arrangement.  It makes life so much easier.  

    I dearly hope you are successful in repelling this cultural Marxism.  I hope we are too.  

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

       Thanks for the post, but why all the anti-“yank” vitriol in the introduction?  Is that really necessary?  Do you feel that inferior?

      • Enoch_Power

        I think it was formerly known as British humour.  We can be a piss taking bunch and I appreciate that piss taking does not travel well outside of the UK.  No offence intended.  I also enjoy US humour as well and I think humour is the best way to make an argument most of the time.  And no – we British are not superior…

        • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

           Well, no harm.  I’m of Norman French, English and Anglo-Saxon heritage, just displaced to North America in the 17th and 18th century.  Been to visit you, however.

          Maybe we just need to intone the MP (Monty Python) cartouche when humor is intended.

  • loyalwhitebriton

    “..any of us could have been Trayvon that night..”

    I wish all of you were.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Didn’t we already see this in the OJ Simpson murders and trial?  Wasn’t a man with Nicole trying to defend him and got killed too?

  • Up to my neck in CA

    Why does Harvard Institute need a Race and Justice Director? These made up departments are the worst kind of “busy-work” jobs created in America. Not only is there no need for such a thing, but they have an agenda and it doesn’t include you honkey!

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

     I’m waiting to see if an unbiased jury can be found.  I really doubt it.

  • Jared Pierce

    Okay, let’s think about this.  The first white victim of Stand your Ground.   Is it more likely that a black person will attack a white person or that a white person will attack a black person? Look at the statistics. Do many white people mug black people? Is that common? I think whenever it happens, it makes national news.  Yet black on white crime (or black on black crime) is extremely common. That’s really why Stand your Ground probably came about.  Victims need a chance to fight back, without getting arrested.  This is what many people realize, and yet few are willing to say out loud, and when they do, they lose their jobs.  Many black folk and black communities are dangerous, especially for whites. 

  • Jared Pierce

    I don’t think the issue of race will ever go away unless…..and this is a big unless….unless all people intermingle so much that we become one generic, brown hybrid and you cannot even tell ethnicity any more.  And some people want this generic conglomeration to take place, but what’s ironic is that the people who want just one generic race, are they very same people who say they believe strongly in diversity. Go figure.  It is an upside down world.

  • ageofknowledge

    I’m sure it will work if the black citizen is in the right and using it lawfully. That’s the point ye old Harvard race baiter.

  • This is the first time I ever heard of a black wrongfully killed in a stand your ground defense.  Antigun activists are using this example to keep people from owning guns.  We need idiot (Zimmerman) control, not gun control.

  • Duxinarowe

     If I was on a jury and the guy was black I’d give him every benefit of the doubt I could. This guy just said white folks are not only racist but unfair to boot. Why doesn’t someone call him a racist?