China Builds Its African Empire While the ‘Anti-Colonialist’ Left Looks the Other Way

Damian Thompson, Telegraph (London), November 25, 2011

Imagine what would happen if America barged its way into a developing country, buttered up its homicidal dictator and agreed a back-of-the-envelope deal in which he signed over his nation’s mineral wealth in return for roads, railways and sports stadiums. Everyone would benefit, no?

No. The problem is that the infrastructure turns out to be worth a hell of a lot less than the minerals. Fortunately, Washington has had the foresight to top up the dictator’s Swiss bank account. Problem solved! As for the mining operation, the Americans really don’t want to be bothered by minimum wages or trade unions. They’re banned. And no complaints from the workforce, please, because no one wants a repeat of that “misunderstanding” in which an American mine supervisor opened fire on stroppy employees.

If the United States embarked on this sort of colonial experiment, it would produce a furious “Occupy Grosvenor Square” camp outside the US embassy and a withering play by Sir David Hare at the National. But since these things are actually being done not by America but by the People’s Republic of China across the entire African continent, the “anti-colonialist” Left just yawns.

Ordinary Africans care, of course. The subject of China will loom large in Monday’s election in Congo, though since President Joseph Kabila has arranged to be re-elected, it won’t affect the result. It was Kabila who approved a $6 billion copper-for-infrastructure barter deal with China. Unfortunately, the sale of state mines has left Congo with a $5.5 billion black hole in its budget. Meanwhile, The Economist reports: “The sale of mining licences at below-market value to firms associated with friends of the president has raised eyebrows.”

I can’t say it raised my eyebrows. How else do you think China does business in Africa? It suffered a setback in Zambia last year when President Michael Sata was elected on an anti-Chinese ticket. But Sata hasn’t fulfilled his promise to regulate Zambia’s Chinese-run copper mines, branded “dangerously unsafe” by Human Rights Watch. And this week none other than ex-president Dr Kenneth Kaunda was in Beijing’s Great Hall of the People to discuss “deepening substantial co-operation”.

There’s a school of thought which says that China’s modus operandi, however brutal, at least gets things built. In contrast, Western aid is tipped into dictators’ pockets without anything to show for it. But the benefits of Beijing’s “investment” are elusive, because the Chinese don’t usually employ Africans to perform anything but menial tasks. Chinese construction engineers build motorways and hospitals without passing on the skills to maintain them. The result: everything falls into disrepair within a decade, by which time the copper is safely out of the ground.

From a moral point of view, China’s policy towards Africa is despicable. But it’s ingenious, too. Beijing has worked out that, by virtue of being a non-Western power, it can pose as a “developing country” while creating its sub-Saharan satrapies. The anti-racism lobby in the United Nations makes sure that the finger of guilt is pointed firmly at the former colonial powers, who are always happy to put on a display of breast-beating by, say, the Archbishop of Canterbury. Meanwhile, something close to slavery is being quietly reintroduced to the dark continent (which is how China thinks of it).

For 50 years, it’s been unclear in which direction Africans were heading. Now the question is almost irrelevant: the decision has been made for them.

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  • Anonymous

    Perhaps Africans are smart enough to want to be on the winning side.

  • Anonymous

    Leftists aren’t saying anything because they aren’t anti-imperialist at all but instead anti-white? They’re selling white guilt, and guilt works in their church. It’s really about keeping the native whites at home quiet, shut up and defensive, as they do who knows what?

    Black power advocate Eldridge Cleaver once wrote, of a French anti-colonialist, “I felt there was something blind and indiscriminate about his total condemnation of the white race and total absolution of people of color”.

  • Anonymous

    To “anti-racists,” anything goes as long as “people of color” are the perpetrators, especially if in addition the act or actions involve some kind of direct or corollary detriment to white people.

  • John Engelman

    I think the issue here is military support. The problem with American imperialism is that it was dependent on the CIA and the military, especially the Marine Corps, to back up unpopular dictators who gave American companies benefits.

    This is how Major General Smedley Butler USMC described it:

    “I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country’s most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.”

    “I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.”

    http://goo.gl/1o1Qy

    Most blacks benefit from benevolent paternalism. Many seem to want it. If the Chinese can develop Africa without the support of the Chinese military it will probably be because the relationship between the Chinese and the Africans is mutually beneficial.

  • Anonymous

    White man stay out of our affairs. We Africans and Asians dont want your busybody interference. You want us out of your countries? Then get the HELL out of ours! Go meddle in Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan and bleed your economies dry some more. China is welcome in Africa, they actually develop the infrastructure and have been doing so since the days of Chairman Mao and Zhou en Lai and the railway http://goo.gl/f6tSN they contructed from Zambia to Tanzania to bypass (Taiwan Nationalist Kuomintang backed http://goo.gl/tjN27) Apartheid White South Africa.

  • neanderthalDNA

    “For 50 years, it’s been unclear in which direction Africans were heading. Now the question is almost irrelevant: the decision has been made for them.”

    Gosh. Been pretty clear for anyone who’s been paying attention and who’s not all ate up with stupid lib-lefty ideology.

    But hell. If the Chinese weren’t building infrastructure that won’t be maintained – who would be? Certainly not the natives.

    The only money western nations should be throwing down that black suckhole is funds for family planning. Prevention, abortion, tube tying and vasectomies.

    Or perhaps we should do the truly sensible thing – build high walls, develop deadly robots, and let them breed themselves to the oblivion Nature and evolution consigned them to.

    Oh – and no refugees. That’s what robot patrols are for. Hunker down, weather the storm, stay vigilant…

    And maybe one day certain populations will actually evolve…

  • Anonymous

    How about the Chinese colonize Rhodesia and SA next

  • Anonymous

    I (and others of an AmRen persuasion) have been saying this for years. Glad to see the subject is finally considered “ready for prime time” in lamestream rags like the Torygraph.

    Something else I’ve been saying: “Before the Chinese are through with them, Africans will be issuing official apologies to the Boers and begging the Brits to come back.”

    Hey Mbongo, you think the White man was bad? Wait till you get a load of the Yellow man. Your “Home rule” in Africa is merely an interregnum between European rule and Chinese rule. So enjoy it while you can, little Mbongo, for the role of Bossman will never come again for you or your black brothers.

    Never.

  • Anonymous

    …But the benefits of Beijing’s “investment” are elusive, because the Chinese don’t usually employ Africans to perform anything but menial tasks. Chinese construction engineers build motorways and hospitals without passing on the skills to maintain them. The result: everything falls into disrepair within a decade, by which time the copper is safely out of the ground.

    ——————

    How do skills ever get “passed on”? When it comes to Africa, these things are always discussed in elusive terms. Standard trade education and apprenticeship programs have a history of failure in Africa. Other races learn, but Africans must be “passed skills” by some magical process that has never been discovered.

  • XianLee

    The hypocrisy that the writer displays is astounding. The Western World has had a monopoly access to Africa’s natural resources for the last 500 years. Portuguese explorers like Vasco Da Gama, first arrived at the East African Coast in the 1490s. Now, the West is complaining of a little competition from China.

    But the point that had me laughing was this: “From a moral point of view, China’s policy towards Africa is despicable”.

    After what the West did in Libya, murdering a world leader and his sons and grandsons, they talk about “morality”? If the West wants to beat China in getting access to Africa’s copper, diamonds, oil, etc., they should offer Africans a better deal than China is giving them.

    From reading this website, I do realize that Western governments do not represent the views of European and American patriots. This shows that democracy is clearly not working in America and Europe. China may not be a democracy, but it promoting policies that patriotic Chinese approve of.

  • Stephen

    This just goes to show Leftist are not really concern about the plight of African. To the Left Africans are really just a political prop with which to bash whitey.

  • A Swain

    More power to the Chinese! Let them fire away there!

    Hopefully, every other Oriental nation will also get involved in the exploitation and gradual colonisation of Africa especially South Africa and Zimbabwe.

    After all, the African natives along with the Indian and Arab interlopers badly need subjugating – permanently and the Orientals are just the boys to rise to the task.

  • Rhialto

    Somewhat off topic:

    1- Comments 5&10 indicate that AmRen has a (world?)wide audience. The internet works many wonders.

    2- I note the FedGov has been building it’s military capacities in Africa. Perhaps the Chinese penetration is its motive, but with FedGov who knows?

  • john

    The emerging reality of how China intends to deal with black Africans is simply a function of their assessment that native Africans are simply too incompetent and intellectually inferior to properly exploit Africa’s resources and that somebody has to take charge.

    In this the Chinese are no different than the early Europeans who arrived in Africa and took charge in their time. Unfortunately for the Euros, they were swayed by the moral judgment of their intellectual classes that they were oppressing and exploiting the Africans.

    I doubt that the Chinese will fall victim to similarly irrational and sentimental opinions.

  • ATBOTL

    “No. The problem is that the infrastructure turns out to be worth a hell of a lot less than the minerals.”

    It sounds like the Chinese are doing more to help ordinary Afrcians than Western companies, who don’t build any roads other than maybe a road from the mine to the border. Typically when the West does business with Africa, all the money ends up in the President for life’s Swiss bank account.

  • La Santa Hermandad

    2 — Anonymous wrote at 6:00 PM on November 28:

    Leftists aren’t saying anything because they aren’t anti-imperialist at all but instead anti-white? They’re selling white guilt, and guilt works in their church. It’s really about keeping the native whites at home quiet, shut up and defensive, as they do who knows what?

    Black power advocate Eldridge Cleaver once wrote, of a French anti-colonialist, “I felt there was something blind and indiscriminate about his total condemnation of the white race and total absolution of people of color”.

    Was that before or after he became a rapist of helpless White women? May he roast in the depths of Hell along with everyone who was “inspired” by reading his book.

  • Anonymous

    It’s curious that another non- White race can show total disdain for Afros without any consequences while Whites can’t even voice valid complaints.

  • Jeddermann.

    And when the Chinese say do this, obey and quick and no sass either as you used to sass the whitey.

    Obey tremble-ing-ly as the Chinese would say.

  • fred

    5 — Anonymous wrote at 6:32 PM:

    White man stay out of our affairs. We Africans and Asians dont want your busybody interference. You want us out of your countries? Then get the HELL out of ours!

    That sounds rather terse. I wonder which country he wrote it from? As if I didn’t already know. The little parasite sits in our country telling us to “get out of his”. He should be ripped up by the roots and deported.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see how the Chinese react to a Mau Mau type of insurection directed against them. Most likely African guest students would have to flee from Peking lynch mobs.

  • Anonymous

    10 — XianLee wrote at 7:05 PM on November 28:

    “The hypocrisy that the writer displays is astounding. The Western World has had a monopoly access to Africa’s natural resources for the last 500 years. Portuguese explorers like Vasco Da Gama, first arrived at the East African Coast in the 1490s. Now, the West is complaining of a little competition from China.”

    You have one major mistake in your implied meaning due to your claimed European timeline. Yes, some Europeans landed on coasts here and there, but NO white man ever penetrated into Sub-Saharan Africa and came out alive until the mid-19th century. To wit; No exploration, and especially NO development of African natural resources occurred until the late 19th century, and even then, only in SA, (and very limited establishments in the Belgian Congo), which had long been settled by the Boers who arrived in a desolate part of South Africa in the 17th century. Even that is a bit short of 500 years.

    Your interpretation of the Libyan revolution is a typical product of Chinese/communist upside down interpretation; only a complete imbecile could call Gaddafi a “world leader.” Maybe you missed that it was his own people who fought his army of henchmen to defeat, and then celebrated, or did the Chinese government edit that out?

    This is the reason that the Chinese will fail sooner than later; they are dishonest at their core, without even a token effort at factual analysis or reliable conduct in business or politics. The current runaway greed in China and its spread will burn out the way a Chinese firework does; big flare, quickly over.

  • Ben N Indiana (AWG)

    Africa is in for a shock.

    In time the Chinese will no longer ‘barter’. They will simply take what they want and appoint puppet black governors to keep order.

  • sbuffalonative

    Africans, regardless of where they live, always turn on the people who can help them the most.

    The only questions are what will cause Africans to ‘wake up’ to the Chinese exploitation of African resources, how long before it happens, and what the consequences will be for Africans and the Chinese.

    The Chinese are going to get stung by the scorpion. How China responds will be interesting to watch.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the Chines will find a way to raise their IQs in Africa. Can you think of a way? It might be hard to find volunteers.

  • Recessive

    Chinese will always stand out in Africa, and agitation mentioning that these foreigners are “stealing” African minerals and money from the poor people is likely to quickly and thoroughly arouse the population against the Chinese. If the Chinese make large infrastructure investments, they could lose it in a hurry for just a few dollars invested in agitation. Theirs is a risky investment.

  • Franklin Ryckaert

    To Mr.Xian Lee at nr.10:”The Western World has had a monopoly access to Africa’s natural resources for the last 500 years”.Don’t confuse EXPLORATION with EXPLOITATION.Colonization and its accompagning exploitation started in earnest only at about 1900.In the 1960s most of the African nations became independent.So the whole period lasted only a 70 years.In that period some nasty crimes such as the genocide in the Belgian Congo under king Leopold did indeed happen.On the other hand the Europeans did bring civilization to the continent (which quickly collapsed after their departure).

    As for the West having no right to talk about “morality” after what it has done in Libya,that is true and it certainly is not the only crime it has committed in recent times,but what about China?After “Great Helmsman” Mao who has killed some 70 million of his own people,after the treatment of Tibetans,Uighurs, students and members of the Falun Gong,what right has China to talk about morality?If this new century will be a Chinese one,what will that bode for “morality”?

  • Yellow Man

    The issue here isn’t so much morality as it structure. A Chinese company can go in and get the funding neccesary to build a road to access a copper mine in the middle of Africa. In addition since China is a “communist” country it’s a government to government deal versus the US or Europe where many companies have to deal B to G rather G to G. This is especially true in the oil sector where many companies are government companies,for example Norway’s Statoil is a government company and when it deals with an African company that may be state owned it’s a true partnership of equal status. Companies such as Chevron may be large companies but they’re still companies.

    More importantly since these companies are partially run for state interests a Chinese can embark upon a project with a 10-20 year project without shareholders breathing down their necks. In the United States many companies are driven by their quarter to quarter results and it’s difficult for a CEO to embark upon a project that requires the outlay of billions of dollars with returns that occur 10-20 years into the future.

    Of course there is the issue of ethics but I think much of the difference between Chinese companies and their US counterparts boils down to a radically different corporate objectives timelines as well as being state run versus private companies.

  • Howard W. Campbell

    At some point in the future, the South Africans will look back on the days of Apartheid with nostalgia. The infrastructure actually worked, the cities were liveable, and the Bantus probably had the highest standard of living they will ever enjoy. Go over to Youtube and look up Salisbury, Rhodesia. It looked like a pretty nice city back in the 1960’s and 70’s.

    At this same time, the Chinese will use Africa as the dumping ground for their population of excess males who cannot find wives (and will cause a lot of trouble). The US and European countries will not be in a position to do anything as entitlement spending degenerates into another civil war in multiple countries. Also by this time, China has quit buying our worthless debt. Gee, what problems will this cause?

  • Anonymous

    But that’s the point, The chinese didn’t go in with war and to take over. Africa has something they need and they are giving the Africans something in return. However, it isn’t an idea situation. The benefits lean more towards China. But when Whites came in it was always through wars and killing. The Chinese aren’t doing that. Their strategy is totally different…You don’t have to go in and “kill” others in order to work with them.

  • je suis paganisme

    The Chinese are there to get what they can.

    There will be no missionaries, do-gooders, hand-wringers, etc.

    There is something refreshing about self-interest without moral rationalizations. Integrity, of a sort.

  • Jack in Chicago

    I admire the Chinese – who don’t give a $*(@! about idiot Western anti-racist Leftists, the United Nations etc.

    One key point to see that a nation isn’t going down to the Western intellectual diseases is to see how nations deal with mass protests by idiot “students” who never seem to study anything useful. I was strongly rooting for the Chinese army when it confronted the “Pro Democracy” students in Tiananmen Square. I would love to go have some beers with the Chinese general that put an end to that nonsense.

    Maybe we can get the Chinese to take over American urban public schools.

  • Anonymous

    The sinification of Africa will make it a better place, IMHO. If the locals cut up rough, so will China. In time, Africa will be as Chinese as America is European, and the locals will be aboriginals. i see it as a massive civilising influence.

  • A Swain

    29 — Anonymous wrote at 9:10 AM on November 29:

    “But that’s the point, The chinese didn’t go in with war and to take over. Africa has something they need and they are giving the Africans something in return. However, it isn’t an idea situation. The benefits lean more towards China. But when Whites came in it was always through wars and killing. The Chinese aren’t doing that. Their strategy is totally different…You don’t have to go in and “kill” others in order to work with them.”

    Firstly, White Europeans did not go into far-flung countries and immediately commence killing the natives. They attempted to befriend them first by offering their leaders various incentives, (just like the Chinese are doing, in fact), ie, merchandise and infrastructure building (whether or not such merchanise was of any use to the actual natives since it was left to the native leaders to be the best judge of that) and, of course, mutual trade. Also, native labour was inevitably required and for that they, the natives, were invariably fed and housed – quite generously by the standards of the era, indeed.

    Secondly, it was only if the natives reared up and proved a serious threat to life and limb and the stability and peace of the country, were they met with degrees of violence by their new overlords.

    Thirdly, where the Chinese are concerned, had they adopted the tactics of immediate violent takeover back in the early to mid 20th century, they would have been met with punative intervention measures by Western powers as well as neighbouring African countries and China’s governing elite knew this all too well hence the reason they chose the over-exercised universal sham approach we call diplomacy. Equally, don’t forget China was not in an ecomomic and technological position back then to take on the combined might of the latter.

    However, through the comparatively recent incident in East Africa, ie, the Chinese factory boss opening fire on a handful of Africans rightfully demanding their lawful wages for work rendered, we get a glimpse of how far they will be prepared to go once they get their feet properly under the table.

    Mind you, I don’t care how the Chinese tame the natives and other non-White interlopers on the dark continent, in fact, I wish them every success bearing in mind, how the natives of Africa and their alien brown-skinned interloper pretend friends are showing ready and willing to both brutalise and ethnically cleanse their White benefactors of yesteryear.

    I hope and pray, the Chinese give those monsters a taste of their own treatment in treble dose. Wouldn’t that just be delicious poetic justice all the way.

  • Jason Robertson

    It is hypocrisy if one denounces others on universal moral grounds for committing the same crime one is committing oneself.

    It is not hypocrisy to ask what is or is not in the interest of western survival and prosperity from the actions of the Chinese government outside China, and how to respond to future developments. There are different views about this, which can and should be debated with a freedom that is not possible inside China itself.

    The problem of access to rare earth metals and of cyber warfare are crucial to any discussion.

    If one wants to look at a documented history of Chinese ethnic conflict and aggression, try Rudy Rummel’s “democide” website (even allowing for a digit here and there, as his death-toll figures – including both Soviets & Nazis – are actually on the high side) and the books by Frank Dikotter, just for starters.

  • Anonymous

    “But when Whites came in it was always through wars and killing. The Chinese aren’t doing that. Their strategy is totally different…You don’t have to go in and “kill” others in order to work with them.”

    What a load of feces.

    1. Whites often came in with missionaries and medicine. Even today, Whites give (read: waste) a mind-boggling amount of money and goodwill on Africa.

    2. The idea of Maoist China being motivated by “working with Africans” may well be one of the top 10 stupidest ideas ever posted on Amren. China is motivated by profit.

  • Anonymous

    Poster #30 Je Suis paganisme makes an excellent point. Unlike the foolish westerners of yesteryear, the Chinese will simply approach Africa from an economic perspective. What can we get from this place? They will not be bothered to send Confucian missionaries out there. They will not establish missions and left-wing nonsense. No effort will be made to stomp out slavery and neo-slavery. There will be no Oriental Gordon stamping out slavery in the Sudan. They will simply take whatever they can get from the place. All transactions will be of a business nature and all transactions will be complete in and of themselves. Above all the Chinese will never allow Africans to settle in the Han homeland. The Chinese will not be stupid in their dealings with Africa as the west was.

  • A Swain

    36 — Anonymous wrote at 6:17 PM on November 29:

    “Above all the Chinese will never allow Africans to settle in the Han homeland.”

    They have! About approximately twenty thousand or more of them albeit mainly in a particular manufacturing sector of the country, not the whole territory although they haven’t been granted unconditional privileges of permanent citizenship and all accompanying citizens’ rights. In other words, the Chinese reserve their inalienable right to deport aliens at any time for any reason.

    This is because the Chinese do not grant citizenship to all and sundry and certainly not to waifs and strays that attempt to break into their territories, (they get a flogging and instant deportation,) and definitely not instant citizenship which includes voting rights as practiced in the West at present either. They are very discriminatory in their choices and rightly so.

    Yes, they will naturally favour nationalities that belong to their own race first, eg, Koreans and Taiwanese, but even then one has to wait at least five years before one can be considered for citizenship and very few aliens are ultimately granted it in the end anyway.

  • A Swain

    China building an African empire is not the only development the West should be worrying about.

    China hold a third of America’s debt so is in a position to bring down the North American continent never mind the Federal Bank and its tentacles, eg, Wall Street.

    Her aim is world domination, not merely generating trade arrangements and friendly relations with other nations.

    In recent weeks, the native European hierarchy of the dictatorship setup called the European Union approached China with a view to borrowing and bailing out the Euro which will eventually result in China owning Europe in exactly the same way she has come to own America. Opportunists are to be found everywhere.

    Europe in common with America, is made up of countries and America of states with a central government – local administrations being merely local gatekeepers, if you will. It’s the same as netting not one fish, but hundreds all at once.

    China is primarily a Communist state incorporating controlled Capitalism, the operative word being ‘controlled’. In other words, her brand of Communism will never allow pure Capitalism to overpower her Communist system. The Chinese believe in employing spies in every closet, nook and cranny so the Jewish fraternity are being closely watched of which, you can bet your bottom dollar.

    Well, who can blame China! After all, did not the indigenous populations of the West decide sixty odd years ago that they preferred creature comforts, decadence and gluttony to the preservation of their genetic lineages, languages, heritages, belief systems, cultures and traditions, in other words, their actual human identities as distinct peoples.

    Well done China!

  • ProudtobeWhite

    The Chinese are ruthless exploiters who will rape any part of the world they can buy into, the inhabitants be damned. They should not be allowed to strip mine anywhere. What they are doing to sharks with their cruel finning practice they will try to do to the elephants and God knows what other wildlife in Africa. They are barbarians.

  • Anonymous

    “Above all the Chinese will never allow Africans to settle in the Han homeland.”

    ——-

    More than 200,000 (!!!) Africans (mainly “import & export merchants” as claimed) have been granted temporary residency in a separate township next to GuangZhou (Capital City) of Southern GuangDong province of PRC.

    The locals nickname the town “Chocolate City”. To put it into perspective, it’s like to settle > 50,000 Africans in a separate township near Miami of Florida.

    The new found “Diversity Strength” (of course) of this is whenever the locals go at weekends to clubbing areas, or near the main Train Station of GuangZhou at any given time, they would be instantly offered at virtually every street corners by these entrepreneurial “import & export merchants” all kinds of “merchandise” that would make those Mexican “import & export merchants” next to your border look like child’s play!

  • margaret

    “At this same time, the Chinese will use Africa as the dumping ground for their population of excess males who cannot find wives (and will cause a lot of trouble).”

    Actually, they won’t. Chinese males, no matter how desperate will have nothing to do with black women. There is a tale told in China of Chinese railroad builders brought to Africa in the early 20th century. Not one of them had anything to do with the black prostitutes who swarmed all over the railroad builders.

    The Indian railroad builders left behind many mulatto children. The Chinese left behind none. China has a long, long history of excess males. Before compulsory abortion they just killed girl babies or sold them as prostitutes about age 8. There is nothing new about the excess male problem in China. They have had this “problem” for 5 thousand years and it has never caused Chinese men to have anything to do with non Chinese women.

  • Jason Robertson

    Just what do the surplus Chinese men do about the lack of women, then?

    In England you see quite a number of white men with Oriental girls, sometimes quite pretty Chinese students. Scarcely ever the other way round.

    Yesterday I saw a Chinese girl walking along talking to herself (not into a mobile phone) in Chinese, and found this amusing. Silly me. I must be a racist.

  • denise

    The reason they will fail is that the “Chinese are dishonest to their core” and cannot conduct basic business relations in a trustworthy fashion, even among themselves.

    A Chinese woman who had been a Party member before the 90s, told me that if I were to go to China and meet Chinese I would not like them. A major reason would be the dishonesty.

    Obviously not all individuals are dishonest and unethical anymore than all “westerners” are honest & ethical but we are talking in general terms, about what standards of behavior to expect in business and commerce.

  • Anonymous

    @42.

    Mail order brides from SE Asia or North Korea.

    Scary thing is… many Chinese in the Northeast corner of the country are starting to marry some of the surplus Russian women. Sadly it is no longer the Muslim/Blacks who are taking the white females.

  • convairXF92

    #44 writes:

    >many Chinese in the Northeast corner of the country are starting to marry some of the surplus Russian women. Sadly it is no longer the Muslim/Blacks who are taking the white females.

    —-

    These white females are making a rational and conscious choice in selecting Chinese males over Russians. This is rough, tough Siberia, not civilized St. Petersburg! The Russian men drink huge amounts of vodka, get brutal when thus intoxicated, and whether drunk or not, have a “slam bam thank-you ma’am” approach to intimate activities (it’s claimed they literally do not know any better). In times past, those peasant types who did have kind and gentle ways would traditionally direct themselves toward the Orthodox monastic life.